Lightning-Archive.digest.vol-cl
June 02, 2010 - September 01, 2010
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear shimmy |
About the beginning of the year I noticed a slight vibration in flight on
one of our planes. It felt as if it was coming from the nose I could feel it
in the pedals. After pushing down on the tail in the hanger, I noticed that
the nose block had a small amount of slop in it and the fork assembly could
be moved around a bit, this was not due to a suspicion of shimmy. I took the
fork off and thought about trying a large bushing. Because the steel leg and
the nylon are different materials I figured that the small trash or bur
might wear the plastic quickly and I think that is what happened. So I found
a large oilite bushing (oil bronze bushing) to put in the block. This did
take care of the slop and the vibration/buffeting in the nose wheel and pant
in flight. We than put in the news letter that if anyone noticed this in
their Lightning that this bushing could be retrofitted as a fix. True the
blocks should be tight so not to develop slop in the system but beyond that
the tension is not to combat a nose wheel shimmy the design itself is, the
the bushing to combat wear. We can release recommendations and things we
have noticed in the design thru the newsletter or web site to help make
things better. It would not be right for a kit manufacturer to issue an AD
or SB as we are not the manufacturer of the Aircraft the builder is and we
do not control their construction. So with that in mind we set it out in the
newsletter as a bring to everyone's attention type thing and have now added
the bushing to the kits and machined the blocks to match.
As a side note it is important to recognize the difference in the esqual
nose leg and the lightning. The esqual nose leg does have a vertical pivot
point, it is not swept forward. So the nose leg on an esqual with out the
blocks tightened can shimmy. Some later esqual's had lightning parts because
we got none from them.
Nick Otterback
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:55 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy
[quote="info(at)flylightning.net"] This was the reason for the move to the
oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite
bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear.
Nick Otterback
> [b]
Um, which move to oilite bushings was that? I noticed the bushes in Buz's
photos and wondered where they came from. Its not in the build manual, no
service bulletins, can't find it anywhere on the Arion site, can't remember
reading it in the newsletter. What's the status of the change, is it part
of ongoing development or a recommended retrofit?
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299712#299712
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| From: | FamilyGage(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear shimmy |
Nick:
Thanks so much for the information. I will try Buz's fix first, and if
there is no improvement; are the newer bushings available? I think that the
nose gear is Ligntning. I recently purchased two new main gear from you.
Everyone appreciates your factory support.
My Best,
Ray Gage
In a message dated 6/2/2010 10:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "fly lightning"
About the beginning of the year I noticed a slight vibration in flight on
one of our planes. It felt as if it was coming from the nose I could feel
it
in the pedals. After pushing down on the tail in the hanger, I noticed that
the nose block had a small amount of slop in it and the fork assembly could
be moved around a bit, this was not due to a suspicion of shimmy. I took
the
fork off and thought about trying a large bushing. Because the steel leg
and
the nylon are different materials I figured that the small trash or bur
might wear the plastic quickly and I think that is what happened. So I
found
a large oilite bushing (oil bronze bushing) to put in the block. This did
take care of the slop and the vibration/buffeting in the nose wheel and
pant
in flight. We than put in the news letter that if anyone noticed this in
their Lightning that this bushing could be retrofitted as a fix. True the
blocks should be tight so not to develop slop in the system but beyond that
the tension is not to combat a nose wheel shimmy the design itself is, the
bushing to combat wear. We can release recommendations and things we
have noticed in the design thru the newsletter or web site to help make
things better. It would not be right for a kit manufacturer to issue an AD
or SB as we are not the manufacturer of the Aircraft the builder is and we
do not control their construction. So with that in mind we set it out in
the
newsletter as a bring to everyone's attention type thing and have now added
the bushing to the kits and machined the blocks to match.
As a side note it is important to recognize the difference in the esqual
nose leg and the lightning. The esqual nose leg does have a vertical pivot
point, it is not swept forward. So the nose leg on an esqual with out the
blocks tightened can shimmy. Some later esqual's had lightning parts
because
we got none from them.
Nick Otterback
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:55 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy
[quote="info(at)flylightning.net"] This was the reason for the move to the
oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite
bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear.
Nick Otterback
> [b]
Um, which move to oilite bushings was that? I noticed the bushes in Buz's
photos and wondered where they came from. Its not in the build manual, no
service bulletins, can't find it anywhere on the Arion site, can't remember
reading it in the newsletter. What's the status of the change, is it part
of ongoing development or a recommended retrofit?
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299712#299712
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear shimmy |
Hi Selwyn,
Check the December 2009 issue of the Lightning Newsletter for info on
the new bushings.
Buz
In a message dated 6/2/2010 7:56:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "selwyn"
[quote="info(at)flylightning.net"] This was the reason for the move to the
oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite
bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear.
Nick Otterback
> [b]
Um, which move to oilite bushings was that? I noticed the bushes in Buz's
photos and wondered where they came from. Its not in the build manual, no
service bulletins, can't find it anywhere on the Arion site, can't remember
reading it in the newsletter. What's the status of the change, is it part
of ongoing development or a recommended retrofit?
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299712#299712
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010 |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Well, I thought long and hard and decided I needed to insert my feedback. :)
Another great newsletter!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299786#299786
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rust in carburetor |
Hi Bernardo,
Thanks for your comments on the newsletter. Your feedback on articles
and items in the newsletter help me know what is really helpful and thus
important to Lightning builders and flyers.
As to the FAA accident case study about the Jabiru engine failure due
to rust in the Bing carb, I hope everyone that reads the newsletter will
take the time to follow the link to the FAA write up on this fatal accident.
Although I suspect that if a Jabiru engine is only fed a diet of aviation
fuel (or certainly no ethanol in any auto fuel) and if that engine is run
regularly, there probably would be no problem like this article describes.
But information like presented in this article is knowledge, and I am a
firm believer of knowing as must as possible about the "equipment" we fly.
Good luck on your Lightning build. Keep the "Newsletter staff"
informed of your progress so we can have good things to write about.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 6/3/2010 1:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n45bm(at)yahoo.com writes:
Hi Buz,
Nice newsletter! I was pleasantly surprised to see my emails to you along
with the pictures of my little Corby Starlet, "Estrellita". Thank you.
I read with interest your June 2010 newsletter link to "Accident Case
Study, A Fatal Case of a Little Corrosion in the Worst Place".
I think that not only should this be required reading for all those with
Bing carburetors on their aircraft engines, but that it should be an annual
inspection item, to assess if all is smooth and shiny inside the
carburetor, with no binding. Hard to imagine a little rust can be fatal as it
was in
this case. I know that I will check mine annually, at least, or more often.
Of course, my preference would be to have fuel injection on my engine for
better fuel distribution, no carburetor icing issues and better fuel
economy. Is that available? I've experienced carburetor icing before and I was
not a happy camper. It really grabs your attention! We don't want the
cooling fan to stop in mid air because if it stops, you start sweating. Remember,
air is soft, ground is hard. "Mis dos centavos" ($.02).
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete Krotje" <pete(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rust in carburetor |
The only problem with the story in the FAA newsletter about corrosion in the
carb is that it was not the corrosion in the carb that caused the engine
stoppage. In addition to the corrosion there was a sticky substance in the
carb that held the piston open in spite of gravity and the spring trying to
close it. When he applied full power for take off the piston was pulled up
into the dome. Then when power was reduced for cruise the piston stuck up
in the dome holding the jet needle up and allowing a lot of fuel to flow
through the jet while the throttle butterfly closed a bit and reduced
airflow through the carb. The resulting over rich condition caused the
engine to eventually stop. The sticky substance may have come from a
substance used to repair a leak in the fuel tank.
While the corrosion in that carb may have lead to an early carb rebuild I
don't think it was much of a factor in this accident. If the author of the
article had waited for additional results of the NTSB investigation he may
have reached a different conclusion or the article may have been better
titled "Foreign Substance in Fuel System"
Pete Krotje
Arion Aircraft, LLC
931-680-1781
www.flylightning.net
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:23 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
Hi Bernardo,
Thanks for your comments on the newsletter. Your feedback on articles
and items in the newsletter help me know what is really helpful and thus
important to Lightning builders and flyers.
As to the FAA accident case study about the Jabiru engine failure due to
rust in the Bing carb, I hope everyone that reads the newsletter will take
the time to follow the link to the FAA write up on this fatal accident.
Although I suspect that if a Jabiru engine is only fed a diet of aviation
fuel (or certainly no ethanol in any auto fuel) and if that engine is run
regularly, there probably would be no problem like this article describes.
But information like presented in this article is knowledge, and I am a firm
believer of knowing as must as possible about the "equipment" we fly.
Good luck on your Lightning build. Keep the "Newsletter staff" informed
of your progress so we can have good things to write about.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 6/3/2010 1:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n45bm(at)yahoo.com writes:
Hi Buz,
Nice newsletter! I was pleasantly surprised to see my emails to you along
with the pictures of my little Corby Starlet, "Estrellita". Thank you.
I read with interest your June 2010 newsletter link to "Accident Case Study,
A Fatal Case of a Little Corrosion in the Worst Place".
I think that not only should this be required reading for all those with
Bing carburetors on their aircraft engines, but that it should be an annual
inspection item, to assess if all is smooth and shiny inside the carburetor,
with no binding. Hard to imagine a little rust can be fatal as it was in
this case. I know that I will check mine annually, at least, or more often.
Of course, my preference would be to have fuel injection on my engine for
better fuel distribution, no carburetor icing issues and better fuel
economy. Is that available? I've experienced carburetor icing before and I
was not a happy camper. It really grabs your attention! We don't want the
cooling fan to stop in mid air because if it stops, you start sweating.
Remember, air is soft, ground is hard. "Mis dos centavos" ($.02).
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rust in carburetor |
Hello Pete,
=0AThanks for your input. I had not thought it through about the "sticky"
=0Asubstance, but in retrospect, it makes sense.
That's what I like about this group, always on top of things. Like a chicke
n on a June bug.
Best regards,
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Pete Krotje wrote:
From: Pete Krotje <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:33 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe only problem with the story in the F
AA newsletter about=0Acorrosion in the carb is that it was not the corrosio
n in the carb that caused=0Athe engine stoppage.=C2- In addition to the c
orrosion there was a sticky=0Asubstance in the carb that held the piston op
en in spite of gravity and the=0Aspring trying to close it.=C2- When he a
pplied full power for take off the=0Apiston was pulled up into the dome.=C2
- Then when power was reduced for=0Acruise the piston stuck up in the dom
e holding the jet needle up and allowing a=0Alot of fuel to flow through th
e jet while the throttle butterfly=C2- closed a=0Abit and reduced airflow
through the carb.=C2- The resulting over rich=0Acondition caused the eng
ine to eventually stop.=C2- The sticky substance may=0Ahave come from a s
ubstance used to=C2- repair a leak in the fuel tank. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A
While the corrosion in that carb may have lead to an early carb=0Arebuild I
don=99t think it was much of a factor in this accident.=C2- If=0At
he author of the article had waited for additional results of the NTSB=0Ain
vestigation he may have reached a different conclusion or the article may
=0Ahave been better titled =9CForeign Substance in Fuel System
=9D =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0APete Krotje =0A=0AArion Aircraft, LLC =0A=0A931-680
-1781 =0A=0Awww.flylightning.net =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2-
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mail
to:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com
=0ASent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:23 AM
=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2
- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Bernardo, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-Thanks for your comments on the=0Anewsletter.=C2- Your feedback on art
icles and items in the newsletter help me=0Aknow what is really helpful and
thus important to Lightning builders and=0Aflyers. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-As to the FAA accident case study about=0Athe Jabiru e
ngine failure due to rust in the Bing carb, I hope everyone that=0Areads th
e newsletter will take the time to follow the link to the FAA write up=0Aon
this fatal accident.=C2- Although I suspect that if a Jabiru engine is
=0Aonly fed a diet of aviation fuel (or certainly no ethanol in any auto fu
el) and=0Aif that engine is run regularly, there probably would be no probl
em like this=0Aarticle describes.=C2- But information like presented in t
his article is=0Aknowledge, and I am a firm believer of knowing as must as
possible about the=0A"equipment" we fly.=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-Good luck on your Lightning build.=C2-=0AKeep the "Newslet
ter staff" informed of your progress so we can have=0Agood things to write
about. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABlue Skies, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABuz =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 6/3/2010 1:18:59
A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=0An45bm(at)yahoo.com writes: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A =0A =0A Hi Buz,
=0A Nice newsletter! I was pleasantly surprised to see my emails to you al
ong=0A with the pictures of my little Corby Starlet, "Estrellita". Thank
=0A you.
=0A I read with interest your June 2010 newsletter link to "Accident Case
=0A Study, A Fatal Case of a Little Corrosion in the Worst Place".
=0A I think that not only should this be required reading for all=0A thos
e with Bing carburetors on their aircraft engines, but that it should be=0A
an annual inspection item, to assess if all is smooth and shiny inside th
e=0A carburetor, with no binding. Hard to imagine a little rust can be fat
al as it=0A was in this case. I know that I will check mine annually, at l
east, or more=0A often.
=0A Of course, my preference would be to have fuel injection on my engine
for=0A better fuel distribution, no carburetor icing issues and better fue
l economy.=0A Is that available? I've experienced carburetor icing before
and I was not a=0A happy camper. It really grabs your attention! We don't
want the=0A cooling fan to stop in mid air because if it stops, you start
sweating.=0A Remember, air is soft, ground is hard. "Mis dos centavos" ($.
02).
=0A Regards,
=0A Bernardo Melendez =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://w
ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://
www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | eryan(at)cpasforyou.net |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/03/10 |
I have an AV8OR ACE that I need to get rid of. It has Bluetooth,
weather and charts. I have had for a year with very little use. I
just like my 396 better since I am doing light sport now.
ED
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> 1. 05:24 AM - Re: Rust in carburetor (N1BZRich(at)aol.com)
> 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Rust in carburetor (Pete Krotje)
> 3. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Rust in carburetor (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
>
>
> Hi Bernardo,
> Thanks for your comments on the newsletter. Your feedback on articles
> and items in the newsletter help me know what is really helpful and thus
> important to Lightning builders and flyers.
> As to the FAA accident case study about the Jabiru engine failure due
> to rust in the Bing carb, I hope everyone that reads the newsletter will
> take the time to follow the link to the FAA write up on this fatal accident.
>
> Although I suspect that if a Jabiru engine is only fed a diet of aviation
> fuel (or certainly no ethanol in any auto fuel) and if that engine is run
> regularly, there probably would be no problem like this article describes.
> But information like presented in this article is knowledge, and I am a
> firm believer of knowing as must as possible about the "equipment" we fly.
> Good luck on your Lightning build. Keep the "Newsletter staff"
> informed of your progress so we can have good things to write about.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
>
>
> In a message dated 6/3/2010 1:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> n45bm(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> Hi Buz,
> Nice newsletter! I was pleasantly surprised to see my emails to you along
> with the pictures of my little Corby Starlet, "Estrellita". Thank you.
> I read with interest your June 2010 newsletter link to "Accident Case
> Study, A Fatal Case of a Little Corrosion in the Worst Place".
> I think that not only should this be required reading for all those with
> Bing carburetors on their aircraft engines, but that it should be an annual
> inspection item, to assess if all is smooth and shiny inside the
> carburetor, with no binding. Hard to imagine a little rust can be
> fatal as it
> was in
> this case. I know that I will check mine annually, at least, or more often.
> Of course, my preference would be to have fuel injection on my engine for
> better fuel distribution, no carburetor icing issues and better fuel
> economy. Is that available? I've experienced carburetor icing
> before and I was
>
> not a happy camper. It really grabs your attention! We don't want the
> cooling fan to stop in mid air because if it stops, you start
> sweating. Remember,
>
> air is soft, ground is hard. "Mis dos centavos" ($.02).
> Regards,
> Bernardo Melendez
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Pete Krotje" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
>
> The only problem with the story in the FAA newsletter about corrosion in the
> carb is that it was not the corrosion in the carb that caused the engine
> stoppage. In addition to the corrosion there was a sticky substance in the
> carb that held the piston open in spite of gravity and the spring trying to
> close it. When he applied full power for take off the piston was pulled up
> into the dome. Then when power was reduced for cruise the piston stuck up
> in the dome holding the jet needle up and allowing a lot of fuel to flow
> through the jet while the throttle butterfly closed a bit and reduced
> airflow through the carb. The resulting over rich condition caused the
> engine to eventually stop. The sticky substance may have come from a
> substance used to repair a leak in the fuel tank.
>
>
> While the corrosion in that carb may have lead to an early carb rebuild I
> don't think it was much of a factor in this accident. If the author of the
> article had waited for additional results of the NTSB investigation he may
> have reached a different conclusion or the article may have been better
> titled "Foreign Substance in Fuel System"
>
>
> Pete Krotje
>
> Arion Aircraft, LLC
>
> 931-680-1781
>
> www.flylightning.net
>
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> N1BZRich(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:23 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
>
>
> Hi Bernardo,
>
> Thanks for your comments on the newsletter. Your feedback on articles
> and items in the newsletter help me know what is really helpful and thus
> important to Lightning builders and flyers.
>
> As to the FAA accident case study about the Jabiru engine failure due to
> rust in the Bing carb, I hope everyone that reads the newsletter will take
> the time to follow the link to the FAA write up on this fatal accident.
> Although I suspect that if a Jabiru engine is only fed a diet of aviation
> fuel (or certainly no ethanol in any auto fuel) and if that engine is run
> regularly, there probably would be no problem like this article describes.
> But information like presented in this article is knowledge, and I am a firm
> believer of knowing as must as possible about the "equipment" we fly.
>
> Good luck on your Lightning build. Keep the "Newsletter staff" informed
> of your progress so we can have good things to write about.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Buz
>
>
> In a message dated 6/3/2010 1:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> n45bm(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> Hi Buz,
> Nice newsletter! I was pleasantly surprised to see my emails to you along
> with the pictures of my little Corby Starlet, "Estrellita". Thank you.
> I read with interest your June 2010 newsletter link to "Accident Case Study,
> A Fatal Case of a Little Corrosion in the Worst Place".
> I think that not only should this be required reading for all those with
> Bing carburetors on their aircraft engines, but that it should be an annual
> inspection item, to assess if all is smooth and shiny inside the carburetor,
> with no binding. Hard to imagine a little rust can be fatal as it was in
> this case. I know that I will check mine annually, at least, or more often.
> Of course, my preference would be to have fuel injection on my engine for
> better fuel distribution, no carburetor icing issues and better fuel
> economy. Is that available? I've experienced carburetor icing before and I
> was not a happy camper. It really grabs your attention! We don't want the
> cooling fan to stop in mid air because if it stops, you start sweating.
> Remember, air is soft, ground is hard. "Mis dos centavos" ($.02).
> Regards,
> Bernardo Melendez
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
>
> Hello Pete,
> =0AThanks for your input. I had not thought it through about the "sticky"
> =0Asubstance, but in retrospect, it makes sense.
> That's what I like about this group, always on top of things. Like a chicke
> n on a June bug.
> Best regards,
> Bernardo Melendez
>
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Pete Krotje wrote:
>
> From: Pete Krotje <pete(at)flylightning.net>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
>
> =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe only problem with the story in the F
> AA newsletter about=0Acorrosion in the carb is that it was not the corrosio
> n in the carb that caused=0Athe engine stoppage.=C2- In addition to the c
> orrosion there was a sticky=0Asubstance in the carb that held the piston op
> en in spite of gravity and the=0Aspring trying to close it.=C2- When he a
> pplied full power for take off the=0Apiston was pulled up into the dome.=C2
> - Then when power was reduced for=0Acruise the piston stuck up in the dom
> e holding the jet needle up and allowing a=0Alot of fuel to flow through th
> e jet while the throttle butterfly=C2- closed a=0Abit and reduced airflow
> through the carb.=C2- The resulting over rich=0Acondition caused the eng
> ine to eventually stop.=C2- The sticky substance may=0Ahave come from a s
> ubstance used to=C2- repair a leak in the fuel tank. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A
> While the corrosion in that carb may have lead to an early carb=0Arebuild I
> don=99t think it was much of a factor in this accident.=C2- If=0At
> he author of the article had waited for additional results of the NTSB=0Ain
> vestigation he may have reached a different conclusion or the article may
> =0Ahave been better titled =9CForeign Substance in Fuel System
> =9D =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0APete Krotje =0A=0AArion Aircraft, LLC =0A=0A931-680
> -1781 =0A=0Awww.flylightning.net =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2-
> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mail
> to:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com
> =0ASent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:23 AM
> =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> =0ASubject: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2
> - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Bernardo, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
> -Thanks for your comments on the=0Anewsletter.=C2- Your feedback on art
> icles and items in the newsletter help me=0Aknow what is really helpful and
> thus important to Lightning builders and=0Aflyers. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2
> -=C2-=C2-=C2-As to the FAA accident case study about=0Athe Jabiru e
> ngine failure due to rust in the Bing carb, I hope everyone that=0Areads th
> e newsletter will take the time to follow the link to the FAA write up=0Aon
> this fatal accident.=C2- Although I suspect that if a Jabiru engine is
> =0Aonly fed a diet of aviation fuel (or certainly no ethanol in any auto fu
> el) and=0Aif that engine is run regularly, there probably would be no probl
> em like this=0Aarticle describes.=C2- But information like presented in t
> his article is=0Aknowledge, and I am a firm believer of knowing as must as
> possible about the=0A"equipment" we fly.=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=C2
> -=C2-=C2-Good luck on your Lightning build.=C2-=0AKeep the "Newslet
> ter staff" informed of your progress so we can have=0Agood things to write
> about. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABlue Skies, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABuz =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
> =0A=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 6/3/2010 1:18:59
> A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=0An45bm(at)yahoo.com writes: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
> =0A =0A =0A Hi Buz,
> =0A Nice newsletter! I was pleasantly surprised to see my emails to you al
> ong=0A with the pictures of my little Corby Starlet, "Estrellita". Thank
> =0A you.
> =0A I read with interest your June 2010 newsletter link to "Accident Case
> =0A Study, A Fatal Case of a Little Corrosion in the Worst Place".
> =0A I think that not only should this be required reading for all=0A thos
> e with Bing carburetors on their aircraft engines, but that it should be=0A
> an annual inspection item, to assess if all is smooth and shiny inside th
> e=0A carburetor, with no binding. Hard to imagine a little rust can be fat
> al as it=0A was in this case. I know that I will check mine annually, at l
> east, or more=0A often.
> =0A Of course, my preference would be to have fuel injection on my engine
> for=0A better fuel distribution, no carburetor icing issues and better fue
> l economy.=0A Is that available? I've experienced carburetor icing before
> and I was not a=0A happy camper. It really grabs your attention! We don't
> want the=0A cooling fan to stop in mid air because if it stops, you start
> sweating.=0A Remember, air is soft, ground is hard. "Mis dos centavos" ($.
> 02).
> =0A Regards,
> =0A Bernardo Melendez =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://w
> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://
> www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
>
>
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| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
Hey Bear: I guess I missed your message. How did the new type of tire
balance work for you?
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week... |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Well, within a week, give or take. In my two year experiment with weird infections,
I got a tick bite while in Arkansas the day before Memorial Day and it quickly
became apparent I had picked something up from the critter. I haven't
had as much as a cold in the last year, and suddenly this. Oh well. I'm on antibiotics
that kill everything, including my body's attempts to digest food.
:(
I did get back out to the hangar on Friday and got both wheels balanced. I was
very happy with the balancer, it proved to be ultra sensitive and the results
were repeatable so I felt confident in the balancing done.
In each case, the wheel was light on the side with the valve stem. That seemed
strange, but the red dot and the valve stem were on the same side, and for one
wheel it took 1.25 ounces on the rim to balance it. The other took 1.5 ounces
in the same spot.
I took a couple of short videos, and will hopefully fly tomorrow with wheelpants
off. If all is well I'll put the pants back on, fly again, and will report
on the results.
I sure hope the shimmy is gone. It's the one thing keeping me from taking passengers
right now, because I just don't like explaining it. It's just enough to
be unsettling.
Bill
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week... |
Get well soon, Bill,
Hope you have good results with your wheel balancing. If you take at
look at the March 2009 Lightning Newsletter you will see a short article in
the tech tips section about a racing go kart wheel balancing tool that I
used to balance my wheels. I tried that after Linda reported good results
having her wheels balanced at a local motorcycle shop. My results were
positive, but didn't completely do away with all the shimmy.
I think the shimmy is kind of inherent in the round rod gear leg design,
but as we have mentioned before, lots of other factors can also help or
hinder - tires (pressures and compounds), toe in/out, aircraft weight, and
runway surface. Seem to be lots of variables, but we look forward to your
findings.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 6/7/2010 12:02:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan"
Well, within a week, give or take. In my two year experiment with weird
infections, I got a tick bite while in Arkansas the day before Memorial Day
and it quickly became apparent I had picked something up from the critter.
I haven't had as much as a cold in the last year, and suddenly this. Oh
well. I'm on antibiotics that kill everything, including my body's attempts
to digest food. :(
I did get back out to the hangar on Friday and got both wheels balanced.
I was very happy with the balancer, it proved to be ultra sensitive and the
results were repeatable so I felt confident in the balancing done.
In each case, the wheel was light on the side with the valve stem. That
seemed strange, but the red dot and the valve stem were on the same side,
and for one wheel it took 1.25 ounces on the rim to balance it. The other
took 1.5 ounces in the same spot.
I took a couple of short videos, and will hopefully fly tomorrow with
wheelpants off. If all is well I'll put the pants back on, fly again, and will
report on the results.
I sure hope the shimmy is gone. It's the one thing keeping me from taking
passengers right now, because I just don't like explaining it. It's just
enough to be unsettling.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Balance |
Lynn,
I put 1 ounce into the nose wheel and did 3 full takeoffs and landings wit
h breaking and taxi back.
the shimmy I've experienced seem not to be there so I decided to put 1.5
ounces in each of the mains. When I got to the left main to remove the
wheel, two of the 3 bolts that hold the wheel rimms together were missing
and the 3rd one was just hanging in place. I was pretty stunned to see
this (as you can imagine). The one remaining one looked as though it had
been sheared off. I did a FOD walk around the local taxi area and found
another piece of a bolt (this one still had the nut in place, but missing
the head portion-appearing to be sheared off as well. Still haven't foun
d the 3rd bolt.
As a result of this, I haven't proceeded with the install of the dyna bead
s in either of the mains yet. More to follow...
I would suggest everyone check their main rim bolts and nuts to make sure
they are secure.
Bear
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Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balance
Hey Bear: I guess I missed your message. How did the new type of tire bala
nce work for you?
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week... |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
I couldn't sleep last night, so went flying. When I took off I could tell the
takeoff roll was MUCH smoother. I had high hopes. I landed and was surprised
again at how smooth it felt. No, not my landing, but the airplane when it was
on the mains.
Unfortunately, as I slowed to about 20 mph or so, the shimmy was still there.
Nick once said there was a specific wood piece to purchase from Home Depot, I
believe. If he'll chime in that will be my next step.
The shimmy now seems worse, but only by contrast. TKI has a fairly new runway
and the plane is incredibly smooth on rollout right up until the shimmy, then
it really shakes from about 20-15 mph. I want it fixed even more now that it
feels so good the rest of the time.
There was a 172 in the pattern with me (at midnight!) so I spent the rest of the
flight playing "catch the 172, then extend my downwind." Sure, I could have
flown slower than he did, but the plane is too much fun, especially on a glassy
smooth crystal clear night.
The HID light works well, but I wish I had put one in each wing now.
Nick, any suggestions on that wood strip to change the resonant frequency of the
gear?
Bill
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| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
I have about 3 hours at night in my Lightning now, and It's become apparent I'm
going to have to do something to reduce the reflection on the canopy from the
GRT EFIS.
Has anyone else experienced this? I have the brightness turned all the way down,
but the reflection on the canopy is very distracting. I was thinking a simple
shield velcro'd to the edge of the EFIS would work fine.
Anyone else had this issue? If so, how did you address it?
Bill
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| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
Hey Bear: I am very happy that you found the problem before the wheel
actually came apart. Keep us informed on what you find.
Lynn
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| From: | "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
I did try dyna beads on the mains and really did not notice much of a
difference. The biggest effect was by adjusting the tire pressure,
tightening the axel nut so the drag on each main was approximately the
same and going to 6 ply tires. This provided a noticeable improvement
with tracking during taxi and an improvement in shimmy. It is still
noticeable on rollout, however. Dyna bead effectiveness is related to
tire diameter and rotation speed and 20 to 30 MPH seems to be where
they are just starting to be effective with this size of tire.
Walt Mefford
N881WP
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wheel Balance
Lynn,
I put 1 ounce into the nose wheel and did 3 full takeoffs and landings
with breaking and taxi back.
the shimmy I've experienced seem not to be there so I decided to put 1.5
ounces in each of the mains. When I got to the left main to remove the
wheel, two of the 3 bolts that hold the wheel rimms together were
missing and the 3rd one was just hanging in place. I was pretty stunned
to see this (as you can imagine). The one remaining one looked as
though it had been sheared off. I did a FOD walk around the local taxi
area and found another piece of a bolt (this one still had the nut in
place, but missing the head portion-appearing to be sheared off as well.
Still haven't found the 3rd bolt.
As a result of this, I haven't proceeded with the install of the dyna
beads in either of the mains yet. More to follow...
I would suggest everyone check their main rim bolts and nuts to make
sure they are secure.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 2:45 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balance
Hey Bear: I guess I missed your message. How did the new type of tire
balance work for you?
Lynn
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Maybe something here: glarestomper.com
Steve
Kit No. 48
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Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:20 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Night flight
I have about 3 hours at night in my Lightning now, and It's become apparent
I'm going to have to do something to reduce the reflection on the canopy
from the GRT EFIS.
Has anyone else experienced this? I have the brightness turned all the way
down, but the reflection on the canopy is very distracting. I was thinking
a simple shield velcro'd to the edge of the EFIS would work fine.
Anyone else had this issue? If so, how did you address it?
Bill
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Arion Aircraft's new LS-1 demonstrator has got the Wheel pants fitted and
ready for the paint shop. These were purpose built to compliment the LS-1s
already great looks with sleek looking wheel pants. They should add style
with out exceeding the 120knt limit and at a trim 2lbs a pant should limit
much additional weight. The new wheel pants are now standard on all LS-1
aircraft and are also available to homebuilders completing there Lightning
EXPs to meet the sport pilot rules.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Arion Aircraft's new LS-1 demonstrator has got the Wheel pants fitted and
ready for the paint shop. These were purpose built to compliment the LS-1s
already great looks with sleek looking wheel pants. They should add style
with out exceeding the 120knt limit and at a trim 2lbs a pant should limit
much additional weight. The new wheel pants are now standard on all LS-1
aircraft and are also available to homebuilders completing there Lightning
EXPs to meet the sport pilot rules.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Arion Aircraft's new LS-1 demonstrator has got the Wheel pants fitted and
ready for the paint shop. These were purpose built to compliment the LS-1s
already great looks with sleek looking wheel pants. They should add style
with out exceeding the 120knt limit and at a trim 2lbs a pant should limit
much additional weight. The new wheel pants are now standard on all LS-1
aircraft and are also available to homebuilders completing there Lightning
EXPs to meet the sport pilot rules.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning.... |
| From: | "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com> |
http://longmeadow.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/3291623
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| Subject: | Re: Rust in carburetor |
| From: | "wampam" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
I have noticed, on two occasions, when checking the fuel at the gasolator the fuel
had a red tint to it. The wing sumps looked fine. This occurred after the
aircraft had sat for about three weeks. I continued to drain the gasolator
until the fuel had the normal blue tint to it. Has anyone else observed this?
Walt M.
N881WP
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| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Rust in carburetor |
In a message dated 6/14/2010 11:15:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
I have noticed, on two occasions, when checking the fuel at the gasolator
the fuel had a red tint to it. The wing sumps looked fine. This occurred
after the aircraft had sat for about three weeks. I continued to drain
the gasolator until the fuel had the normal blue tint to it. Has anyone else
observed this?
Walt M.
N881WP
Yes, after I got some gas with mud in it. Took forwver to clear it out, and
then I had trouble with the sump drain.
Earl Ferguson
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| From: | "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rust in carburetor |
Thanks
This did not appear to be dirt or mud because the wing sumps continued
to stay clear and the fuel tanks would be the only place where mud/dirt
could enter the system. Also, there was no sediment as fair as I could
tell. It kind of looked like automotive gas but I have never used it
and again the wing sumps were clear. I am not sure what is causing the
color to change. The next time this happens I'll save a sample and see
what kind of residue remains after letting it evaporate.
Walt M.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
In a message dated 6/14/2010 11:15:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
I have noticed, on two occasions, when checking the fuel at the
gasolator the fuel had a red tint to it. The wing sumps looked fine.
This occurred after the aircraft had sat for about three weeks. I
continued to drain the gasolator until the fuel had the normal blue tint
to it. Has anyone else observed this?
Walt M.
N881WP
Yes, after I got some gas with mud in it. Took forwver to clear it out,
and then I had trouble with the sump drain.
Earl Ferguson
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Walt,
I have not noticed this at the gascolator.
Bear
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Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2010 11:14 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Rust in carburetor
I have noticed, on two occasions, when checking the fuel at the gasolator
the
uel had a red tint to it. The wing sumps looked fine. This occurred afte
r the
ircraft had sat for about three weeks. I continued to drain the gasolator
ntil the fuel had the normal blue tint to it. Has anyone else observed th
is?
Walt M.
881WP
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| Subject: | Wheel Balance and shimmy - an update |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
I previously reported that wheel balancing didn't appear to affect my landing gear
shimmy. Well, I wasn't doing an apples to apples comparison, because I decided
to fly without the wheelpants and fairings to do a quick check.
The weight of the wheelpants would obviously affect the resonant frequency of the
gear, and that never crossed my mind.
Today I finished some mods to my wheelpants and reinstalled them and went flying.
I was surprised to find that on landing I had the slightest, barely noticeable
shimmy just before turning off the runway. I was so surprised that I taxied
back out and did another circuit. Same results.
There are other variables compared to last time (such as the 100 degree heat!)
but I am optimistic that the wheel balancing did actually address the shimmy issue
to my satisfaction. It used to be bad enough that if I was transmitting
when it happened I sounded like I was in a helicopter. Now I think a passenger
wouldn't even notice.
Good stuff.
If anyone wants to drop by the Dallas, Texas area and balance their wheels they're
more than welcome to the hanger.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Balance and shimmy - an update |
| From: | "wampam" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
Thinking back, the same thing happen with me. I never made a connection.
Walt M.
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| From: | eryan(at)cpasforyou.net |
I have an AV8OR ACE for sale. I have had it for a little over a year.
I would rather have a Garmin 496 in my lightning. It has Weather WX
and Bluetooth. It works fine.
Make an offer.
Thanks,
Ed
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| Subject: | First long flight |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
I took my stepdaughter up to visit her dad in St. Louis today. Now THIS is what
I wanted the Lightning for!
I left for the airport at 6:30 this morning and covered right at 1000 miles (roundtrip
from Dallas) and was back at my house before 4:00. Less than 8 hours
flying time, and less than 30 gallons burned to cover 1000 miles! And that was
in less than ideal conditions with some weather dodging, and a headwind on the
way back that was much stronger than the tailwind on the way out.
I tried my best to minimize the headwind though, using O2 and cruising at 16,500
on the way back. I always throttle back enough to get even EGTs across the
board, which meant at that altitude I was only doing about 120 knots, but doing
it on just under 4 GPH. Gotta love flying high, and this bird just keeps climbing.
My Grumman would have required a fuel stop due to the headwind, and the trip would
have ended up taking MUCH longer.
Sign me up for the 4 seat, twin 3300 "Double-Strike" Lightning. ;) Think of it
this way, Arion would sell twice as many engines for each airplane sold! (I
can dream, can't I?)
And while I'm dreaming, I sure hope someone fixes the induction issues I experience.
If I could run full throttle with even fuel distribution, I'd be even happier.
And I haven't even gone into detail about the guys at the airport who came over
to talk to me because the guy who fueled the plane went in and told them I had
come from Dallas and only took on 15 gallons. They didn't believe him. :)
Bill
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| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: First long flight |
Hey Bill: I agree it is great for long or short flights. I have flown to
Shelbyville from here in Frostproof 3 times now, each time has been less than
4.5 hrs and uses 23 gallons of fuel.
Lynn
In a message dated 6/16/2010 8:18:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan"
I took my stepdaughter up to visit her dad in St. Louis today. Now THIS
is what I wanted the Lightning for!
I left for the airport at 6:30 this morning and covered right at 1000
miles (roundtrip from Dallas) and was back at my house before 4:00. Less than
8 hours flying time, and less than 30 gallons burned to cover 1000 miles!
And that was in less than ideal conditions with some weather dodging, and
a headwind on the way back that was much stronger than the tailwind on the
way out.
I tried my best to minimize the headwind though, using O2 and cruising at
16,500 on the way back. I always throttle back enough to get even EGTs
across the board, which meant at that altitude I was only doing about 120
knots, but doing it on just under 4 GPH. Gotta love flying high, and this bird
just keeps climbing.
My Grumman would have required a fuel stop due to the headwind, and the
trip would have ended up taking MUCH longer.
Sign me up for the 4 seat, twin 3300 "Double-Strike" Lightning. ;) Think
of it this way, Arion would sell twice as many engines for each airplane
sold! (I can dream, can't I?)
And while I'm dreaming, I sure hope someone fixes the induction issues I
experience. If I could run full throttle with even fuel distribution, I'd
be even happier.
And I haven't even gone into detail about the guys at the airport who came
over to talk to me because the guy who fueled the plane went in and told
them I had come from Dallas and only took on 15 gallons. They didn't
believe him. :)
Bill
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First long flight |
Hi Bill,
33.3 mpg is not bad at all and TAS was good too, I imagine. I've been resea
rching the Rotec TBI-40-S carburetor that would be a perfect fit for the 33
00 Jabiru engine. From all I've read, it provides exceptional atomization w
hich would provide EGT's and CHT's much closer together, and with its easy
mixture control, you can run the engine lean of peak. That alone would save
you about 1 gallon per hour and preserve that pricey engine. That's what I
'm gonna put in mine after I get my kits sometime next month. I'm chomping
at the bit to get started.
Now I gotta find a buyer for my Corby Starlet that was in last month's news
letter.
Bernardo Melendez
Houston, TX
Corby Starlet n45bm
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Bill Strahan wrote:
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: First long flight
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 7:17 PM
I took my stepdaughter up to visit her dad in St. Louis today.- Now THIS
is what I wanted the Lightning for!
I left for the airport at 6:30 this morning and covered right at 1000 miles
(roundtrip from Dallas) and was back at my house before 4:00.- Less than
8 hours flying time, and less than 30 gallons burned to cover 1000 miles!
- And that was in less than ideal conditions with some weather dodging, a
nd a headwind on the way back that was much stronger than the tailwind on t
he way out.
I tried my best to minimize the headwind though, using O2 and cruising at 1
6,500 on the way back.- I always throttle back enough to get even EGTs ac
ross the board, which meant at that altitude I was only doing about 120 kno
ts, but doing it on just under 4 GPH.- Gotta love flying high, and this b
ird just keeps climbing.
My Grumman would have required a fuel stop due to the headwind, and the tri
p would have ended up taking MUCH longer.
Sign me up for the 4 seat, twin 3300 "Double-Strike" Lightning.- ;)- Th
ink of it this way, Arion would sell twice as many engines for each airplan
e sold!- (I can dream, can't I?)
And while I'm dreaming, I sure hope someone fixes the induction issues I ex
perience.- If I could run full throttle with even fuel distribution, I'd
be even happier.
And I haven't even gone into detail about the guys at the airport who came
over to talk to me because the guy who fueled the plane went in and told th
em I had come from Dallas and only took on 15 gallons.- They didn't belie
ve him.- :)
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: First long flight |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Soooo, would you like to buy my TBI-40? I'll even throw in the adapter plate that
mates it to the SCAT tubing from the original installation so it's a drop-in
replacement for the Bing.
Plus I've got the AN to pipe 90 degree elbow and 1/4NPT to barbbed fitting so the
fuel line will connect unmodified.
Make an offer.
As for me, I'm back to the Hacman and Bing. I determined from my limited flying
with the Rotec that the fuel distribution problem is not occurring at the point
of fuel intake, it is further downstream. Both the Bing and the Rotec exhibited
the same uneven distribution at higher throttle settings.
And I've run both with a K&N filter in place of the regular intake, so I eliminated
any possibility of swirl from the filter box or the SCAT tubing. I also
tried multiple intakes tubes from the filter box.
In total, I tried 4 different tubes from filter box to carb/TBI. I tried the K&N
instead of the regular intake. And I've tried both Bing and the Rotec. In
ALL cases, the fuel distribution at high throttle settings favors one side of
the engine over the other.
Perhaps if someone will create an intake plenum to replace the Jabiru intake and
combine that with direct port injection then I'll invest some more time adopting
that, but I've spent dozens of hours on the intake and have just decided
to leave it as is. The airframe has more potential than I can wring out of it
with that limitation, but my focus is on flying first and any experimentation
I do will be in the area of aerodynamic mods.
Well, that and the JATO system I'm working on...:D
Bill
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First long flight |
I suspected such problems with such a short intake system, and I agree that
even fuel distribution would be an issue regardless which carburetor is us
ed in its current designed location. But I also thought that fuel atomizati
on would be better with the TBI-40. However, I have no experience with eith
er the Rotec or the Bing. A fuel injection system is my preference, but app
arently there is none for the Jab, to my knowledge, or is there?
Most aero carbs are under the engine, with a longer intake pipe to the =0Ac
ylinders. Is there space or has anyone investigated putting the carb, Bing
, Rotec or whatever under the engine, like most aero engines? Inquiring min
ds would like to know.
Right now, I'm shooting from the hip without a gun in my holster and I've y
et to receive my kit and engine, but knowing as much info as I can gather e
ven before I start can't hurt.
I didn't know that you had a Rotec carb for sale. That's good info to keep
in mind.
As to the JATO system....I was thinking something along the lines of a high
tow, like they use for model sailplanes. That way, I won't have the drag o
f the JATO pods. Now if I can just find a long enough rubber band... and so
meone to pull it.
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Bill Strahan wrote:
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: First long flight
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 10:29 PM
Soooo, would you like to buy my TBI-40?- I'll even throw in the adapter p
late that mates it to the SCAT tubing from the original installation so it'
s a drop-in replacement for the Bing.
Plus I've got the AN to pipe 90 degree elbow and 1/4NPT to barbbed fitting
so the fuel line will connect unmodified.
Make an offer.
As for me, I'm back to the Hacman and Bing.- I determined from my limited
flying with the Rotec that the fuel distribution problem is not occurring
at the point of fuel intake, it is further downstream.- Both the Bing and
the Rotec exhibited the same uneven distribution at higher throttle settin
gs.-
And I've run both with a K&N filter in place of the regular intake, so I el
iminated any possibility of swirl from the filter box or the SCAT tubing.
- I also tried multiple intakes tubes from the filter box.
In total, I tried 4 different tubes from filter box to carb/TBI.- I tried
the K&N instead of the regular intake.- And I've tried both Bing and the
Rotec.- In ALL cases, the fuel distribution at high throttle settings fa
vors one side of the engine over the other.
Perhaps if someone will create an intake plenum to replace the Jabiru intak
e and combine that with direct port injection then I'll invest some more ti
me adopting that, but I've spent dozens of hours on the intake and have jus
t decided to leave it as is.- The airframe has more potential than I can
wring out of it with that limitation, but my focus is on flying first and a
ny experimentation I do will be in the area of aerodynamic mods.-
Well, that and the JATO system I'm working on...:D
Bill
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| From: | Deb and Peter Zweck <debandpete(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First long flight |
There is at least one Lightning in Australia running EFI on its 3300.
Should be an article about it coming soon in the Lightning newsletter.
Peter
On 17/06/10 14:54, Bernard Melendez, Jr. wrote:
> I suspected such problems with such a short intake system, and I agree
> that even fuel distribution would be an issue regardless which
> carburetor is used in its current designed location. But I also
> thought that fuel atomization would be better with the TBI-40.
> However, I have no experience with either the Rotec or the Bing. A
> fuel injection system is my preference, but apparently there is none
> for the Jab, to my knowledge, or is there?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First long flight |
Thanks Peter.
Bernardo
--- On Thu, 6/17/10, Deb and Peter Zweck wrote:
From: Deb and Peter Zweck <debandpete(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: First long flight
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 7:43 PM
There is at least one Lightning in Australia running EFI on its 3300.
Should be an article about it coming soon in the Lightning newsletter.
Peter
On 17/06/10 14:54, Bernard Melendez, Jr. wrote:
I suspected such problems with such a short intake
system, and I agree that even fuel distribution would be an issue
regardless which carburetor is used in its current designed location. But I
also thought that fuel atomization would be better with the TBI-40.
However, I have no experience with either the Rotec or the Bing. A fuel
injection system is my preference, but apparently there is none for the
Jab, to my knowledge, or is there?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Arions new demo flies. |
Our new Demo LS-1 flew on Friday for the first time. We will be flying this
bird for the next week getting everything working and than will be ready for
demos by weeks end. Call first to make sure we are ready.
The Garmin GDU375 is really cool, and should be great for cross country
flight, Look for pictures Monday.
Nick
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| Subject: | Re: Arions new demo flies. |
Excellent Nick,
so good to hear another Lightning is airborne. congrats to the whole team
.
Bear
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Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:59 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Arions new demo flies.
Our new Demo LS-1 flew on Friday for the first time. We will be flying thi
s bird for the next week getting everything working and than will be ready
for demos by weeks end. Call first to make sure we are ready.
The Garmin GDU375 is really cool, and should be great for cross country fl
ight, Look for pictures Monday.
Nick
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| From: | "Craig Sumner" <craigsumner(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Arions new demo flies. |
Outstanding Nick! I am proud of you and your team at Shelbyville!! Keep up
the good work.
Craig
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Arions new demo flies.
Our new Demo LS-1 flew on Friday for the first time. We will be flying this
bird for the next week getting everything working and than will be ready for
demos by weeks end. Call first to make sure we are ready.
The Garmin GDU375 is really cool, and should be great for cross country
flight, Look for pictures Monday.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james henderson" <jh(at)gulftel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Arions new demo flies. |
Good Morning Nick,
The GDU 375 sure looks like my G 696 in appearance and function.
It certainly is a cool box but the G 696 is too....at mucho less Obama
bucks.
Hope to visit your facility before much longer.
Cheers,,,, Jim Henderson Gulf Shores, AL
From: flylightning
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: *****SPAM***** Lightning-List: Arions new demo flies.
Our new Demo LS-1 flew on Friday for the first time. We will be flying
this bird for the next week getting everything working and than will be
ready for demos by weeks end. Call first to make sure we are ready.
The Garmin GDU375 is really cool, and should be great for cross country
flight, Look for pictures Monday.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Arions new demo flies. |
Happy to hear the news and that all went well. Congratulations.
Best regards,
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Sun, 6/20/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Arions new demo flies.
Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 11:59 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOur new Demo LS-1 flew on Friday for the
first time. We will=0Abe flying this bird for the next week getting everyt
hing working and than will=0Abe ready for demos by weeks end. Call first to
make sure we are ready. =0A=0A - =0A=0AThe Garmin GDU375 is really cool,
and should be great for=0Across country flight, -Look for pictures Monda
y. =0A=0A - =0A=0ANick =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | First Lightning Registered in Canada |
| From: | "J Dupont" <playgoldg(at)hotmail.com> |
I bought the 2009 experimental demo and after a long bureaucratic process it is
now officially registered as a Canadian aircraft. The new mark is C-GCAA.
If anyone is ever interested in importing or building a Lightning over here, feel
free to contact me, I believe I could save a few of hurdles to a new builder
over here.
J Dupont
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Next Lightning Newsletter |
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
Lightning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During the
three years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting it out no
later than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only exception has
been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh in time to get it
out by the first day of August. By the way, that will probably happen
again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a
little late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with her new
boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late Saturday
afternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg Airport and
taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a trikke, photo
below, that I have had for several years and use around the airport for fun
transportation and some exercise. You propel it by doing a kind of skiing
motion with your total body. Great workout. My sister had ridden it before,
but for some reason this time she "got her Center of Gravity too far aft"
and fell backwards hitting on her rear end (tail) and head - resulting in a
lot of pain. She is not tail wheel qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my
hangar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bone,
the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as of 5 PM
Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in Williamsburg. They
have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up with some pain
medications that do not make her so sick. There is a chance that she will move
to
a hospital rehab facility near DC soon, perhaps tomorrow. That has been
recommended by the local doctors and approved by her insurance.
Transportation will be via ambulance. Long range outlook is apparently good with
no
surgery called for at this time, but the next three weeks are going to be
painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here with
her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday evening),
there are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target".
Hopefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted everyone to know that
it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
Best wishes for a speedy recovery of her injury, Buz.
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Wed, 6/23/10, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 4:51 PM
=0A=0AAs a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
=0ALightning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late.- Duri
ng =0Athe three years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getti
ng it out =0Ano later than the first day of each month.- Up to now, the o
nly exception =0Ahas been the August issues when I didn't get home from Osh
kosh in time to get it =0Aout by the first day of August.- By the way, th
at will probably happen =0Aagain this year as well since OSH runs into Augu
st.- =0A-=0AHowever, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue
might be a =0Alittle late.- My sister, who lives-near DC, came down to
visit me with =0Aher new boyfriend,-this past Saturday.- After taking
him flying late =0ASaturday afternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at
the Williamsburg Airport =0Aand taking-turns-riding on a kind of exerci
se machine called a trikke, =0Aphoto below, that I have had for several yea
rs and use around the airport for =0Afun transportation-and some exercise
.- You propel it by doing a kind =0Aof skiing motion with your total body
.- Great workout.---My =0Asister-had ridden it before, but for so
me reason this time she "got her =0ACenter of Gravity too far aft" and fell
backwards hitting on her rear end =0A(tail)-and head - resulting in a lo
t of pain.-She is not tail wheel =0Aqualified.- - =0A=0A-=0AAfter a
doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my =0Ahangar
, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bone, the
=0AT-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as of-5 =0A
PM-Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in =0AWilliamsbur
g.- They-have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up =0Awith som
e pain medications that do not make her so sick.- There is a chance =0Ath
at she will move to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon, perhaps =0Atomo
rrow.- That has been recommended by the local doctors and approved by =0A
her insurance.- Transportation will be via ambulance.- Long range =0Aou
tlook is apparently good with no surgery called for at this time, but the n
ext =0Athree weeks are going to be painful.- =0A-=0AAlthough I have bee
n trying to work on the next newsletter while here with =0Aher in the hospi
tal room (almost continuously since Saturday evening), there are =0Alots of
interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target".- =0AHopefully,
I will get it out on time, but just wanted everyone to know that it =0Amig
ht be late getting published.- =0ABlue Skies and watch that aft CG or you
may get a pain in the butt.=0ABuz
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| From: | Rick Bowen <rollnloop(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Next Lightning Newsletter |
Buz=2C
Your newsletters are GREATLY appreciated!
I do not think anyone is going to whine that a newsletter is late-most of u
s are grateful that you put it out in the first place....
I just want to say "THANKS" for all the(volunteer) work you put into the ne
wsletter.
Family ALWAYS comes first=2C ALL the time.
Don't even concern yourself=2C we will live.....
Hope your sister recuperates quickly=2C and that the pain is minimal!
Best=2C
Rick
N727RB
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Wed=2C 23 Jun 2010 17:51:08 -0400
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone=2C I just want to let you know that the next Ligh
tning Newsletter=2C the July issue=2C might be a day or so late. During th
e three years I have been writing it=2C I have prided myself in getting it
out no later than the first day of each month. Up to now=2C the only excep
tion has been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh in time
to get it out by the first day of August. By the way=2C that will probabl
y happen again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However=2C due to a family emergency=2C the upcoming July issue might be a
little late. My sister=2C who lives near DC=2C came down to visit me with
her new boyfriend=2C this past Saturday. After taking him flying late Satu
rday afternoon=2C we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg Airp
ort and taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a trikke
=2C photo below=2C that I have had for several years and use around the air
port for fun transportation and some exercise. You propel it by doing a ki
nd of skiing motion with your total body. Great workout. My sister had r
idden it before=2C but for some reason this time she "got her Center of Gra
vity too far aft" and fell backwards hitting on her rear end (tail) and hea
d - resulting in a lot of pain. She is not tail wheel qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my ha
ngar=2C we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bone
=2C the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12)=2C and as of
5 PM Wednesday (today)=2C she is still in the hospital here in Williamsburg
. They have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up with some pain m
edications that do not make her so sick. There is a chance that she will m
ove to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon=2C perhaps tomorrow. That ha
s been recommended by the local doctors and approved by her insurance. Tra
nsportation will be via ambulance. Long range outlook is apparently good w
ith no surgery called for at this time=2C but the next three weeks are goin
g to be painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here with
her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday evening)=2C th
ere are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target".
Hopefully=2C I will get it out on time=2C but just wanted everyone to know
that it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
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| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
Buz,
Sorry to hear about your sister's injury. We'll be patient (no pun
intended) and wait for the next newsletter.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James D. Johannes" <James.Johannes(at)oarcorp.com> |
| Subject: | Next Lightning Newsletter |
Buz:
All our best wishes for your sister's recovery. Take all the time you ne
ed to see to your sister's needs and well being. Family trumps ALL.
Jim. (N563J)
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next Lightn
ing Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During the thre
e years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting it out no l
ater than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only exception has b
een the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh in time to get it
out by the first day of August. By the way, that will probably happen aga
in this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a litt
le late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with her new
boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late Saturday after
noon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg Airport and taki
ng turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a trikke, photo below,
that I have had for several years and use around the airport for fun trans
portation and some exercise. You propel it by doing a kind of skiing motio
n with your total body. Great workout. My sister had ridden it before, b
ut for some reason this time she "got her Center of Gravity too far aft" an
d fell backwards hitting on her rear end (tail) and head - resulting in a l
ot of pain. She is not tail wheel qualified.
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After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my ha
ngar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bone,
the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as of 5 PM W
ednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in Williamsburg. They
have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up with some pain medicatio
ns that do not make her so sick. There is a chance that she will move to a
hospital rehab facility near DC soon, perhaps tomorrow. That has been rec
ommended by the local doctors and approved by her insurance. Transportatio
n will be via ambulance. Long range outlook is apparently good with no sur
gery called for at this time, but the next three weeks are going to be pain
ful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here with
her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday evening), ther
e are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target". Ho
pefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted everyone to know that i
t might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Next Lightning Newsletter |
| From: | "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net> |
Hi Buz
Best wishes for a speedy pain reduction and recovery
......................
Wayne Patterson
(Kit 65)
TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 AUSTRALIA
08 94743340
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2010 5:51 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
Lightning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During
the three years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting
it out no later than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only
exception has been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh
in time to get it out by the first day of August. By the way, that will
probably happen again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a
little late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with
her new boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late
Saturday afternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg
Airport and taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a
trikke, photo below, that I have had for several years and use around
the airport for fun transportation and some exercise. You propel it by
doing a kind of skiing motion with your total body. Great workout. My
sister had ridden it before, but for some reason this time she "got her
Center of Gravity too far aft" and fell backwards hitting on her rear
end (tail) and head - resulting in a lot of pain. She is not tail wheel
qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my
hangar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back
bone, the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as
of 5 PM Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in
Williamsburg. They have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up
with some pain medications that do not make her so sick. There is a
chance that she will move to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon,
perhaps tomorrow. That has been recommended by the local doctors and
approved by her insurance. Transportation will be via ambulance. Long
range outlook is apparently good with no surgery called for at this
time, but the next three weeks are going to be painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here
with her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday
evening), there are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind
on "target". Hopefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted
everyone to know that it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Simon Wilson" <simon(at)sertech.com.au> |
| Subject: | Next Lightning Newsletter |
Hi Buz,
We all appreciate the time that you VOLUNTARILY put into this newsletter.
Your family must come first.
I wish your sister a speedy recovery.
Regards
Simon Wilson
Hamilton, Victoria
Australia
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
Lightning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During the
three years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting it out
no later than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only exception
has been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh in time to
get it out by the first day of August. By the way, that will probably
happen again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a
little late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with her
new boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late Saturday
afternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg Airport and
taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a trikke, photo
below, that I have had for several years and use around the airport for fun
transportation and some exercise. You propel it by doing a kind of skiing
motion with your total body. Great workout. My sister had ridden it
before, but for some reason this time she "got her Center of Gravity too far
aft" and fell backwards hitting on her rear end (tail) and head - resulting
in a lot of pain. She is not tail wheel qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my
hangar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bone,
the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as of 5 PM
Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in Williamsburg. They
have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up with some pain
medications that do not make her so sick. There is a chance that she will
move to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon, perhaps tomorrow. That has
been recommended by the local doctors and approved by her insurance.
Transportation will be via ambulance. Long range outlook is apparently good
with no surgery called for at this time, but the next three weeks are going
to be painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here with
her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday evening), there
are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target".
Hopefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted everyone to know that
it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
Hi Buz,
So sorry to hear about your sister's accident; just to let you know
my schedule, I will be leaving on July 4 for Kona, HI to attend the 99s
International Conference and return on July 10.
I hope your sister recovers completely and in good time.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
Lightning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During
the three years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting
it out no later than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only
exception has been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh
in time to get it out by the first day of August. By the way, that will
probably happen again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a
little late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with
her new boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late
Saturday afternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg
Airport and taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a
trikke, photo below, that I have had for several years and use around
the airport for fun transportation and some exercise. You propel it by
doing a kind of skiing motion with your total body. Great workout. My
sister had ridden it before, but for some reason this time she "got her
Center of Gravity too far aft" and fell backwards hitting on her rear
end (tail) and head - resulting in a lot of pain. She is not tail wheel
qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of
my hangar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken
back bone, the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12),
and as of 5 PM Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in
Williamsburg. They have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up
with some pain medications that do not make her so sick. There is a
chance that she will move to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon,
perhaps tomorrow. That has been recommended by the local doctors and
approved by her insurance. Transportation will be via ambulance. Long
range outlook is apparently good with no surgery called for at this
time, but the next three weeks are going to be painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here
with her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday
evening), there are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind
on "target". Hopefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted
everyone to know that it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Sumner" <craigsumner(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Next Lightning Newsletter |
Ok Colonel, you have your priorities right! Best wishes for a speedy
recovery to your sister, I bet that really hurt!! Personally, I think we
should ground the fleet until the newsletter is back up and running. just
kidding but your are a wealth of information and a tireless attention to
detail writer! Thanks for all of the advice Buz!!
Craig
N155JM
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
Lightning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During the
three years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting it out
no later than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only exception
has been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh in time to
get it out by the first day of August. By the way, that will probably
happen again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a
little late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with her
new boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late Saturday
afternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg Airport and
taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a trikke, photo
below, that I have had for several years and use around the airport for fun
transportation and some exercise. You propel it by doing a kind of skiing
motion with your total body. Great workout. My sister had ridden it
before, but for some reason this time she "got her Center of Gravity too far
aft" and fell backwards hitting on her rear end (tail) and head - resulting
in a lot of pain. She is not tail wheel qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my
hangar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bone,
the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as of 5 PM
Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in Williamsburg. They
have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up with some pain
medications that do not make her so sick. There is a chance that she will
move to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon, perhaps tomorrow. That has
been recommended by the local doctors and approved by her insurance.
Transportation will be via ambulance. Long range outlook is apparently good
with no surgery called for at this time, but the next three weeks are going
to be painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here with
her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday evening), there
are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target".
Hopefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted everyone to know that
it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
| From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Buz,
Speedy recovery wishes to your sister from us and once again, newsletters
are greatly appreciated!
All the best,
Max and Olena
On Jun 23, 2010 9:43 PM, "Craig Sumner" wrote:
Ok Colonel, you have your priorities right! Best wishes for a speedy
recovery to your sister, I bet that really hurt!! Personally, I think we
should ground the fleet until the newsletter is back up and running=85 just
kidding but your are a wealth of information and a tireless attention to
detail writer! Thanks for all of the advice Buz!!
Craig
N155JM
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*From:* owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *N1BZRich(at)aol.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next
Lightning Newsletter, the ...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
Thanks Max and Olena,
If you have any new photos or information for the July newsletter I
need it soon - NLT tomorrow if possible. Thanks.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 6/23/2010 11:54:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes:
Hi Buz,
Speedy recovery wishes to your sister from us and once again, newsletters
are greatly appreciated!
All the best,
Max and Olena
On Jun 23, 2010 9:43 PM, "Craig Sumner" <_craigsumner(at)comcast.net_
(mailto:craigsumner(at)comcast.net) > wrote:
Ok Colonel, you have your priorities right! Best wishes for a speedy
recovery to your sister, I bet that really hurt!! Personally, I think we
should ground the fleet until the newsletter is back up and running
just
kidding but your are a wealth of information and a tireless attention to
detail
writer! Thanks for all of the advice Buz!!
Craig
N155JM
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| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
Buz,
I really hope your sister is ok and gets out of pain quickly. We'll keep
her in our prayers.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:51 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
As a heads up to everyone, I just want to let you know that the next Light
ning Newsletter, the July issue, might be a day or so late. During the th
ree years I have been writing it, I have prided myself in getting it out
no later than the first day of each month. Up to now, the only exception
has been the August issues when I didn't get home from Oshkosh in time to
get it out by the first day of August. By the way, that will probably ha
ppen again this year as well since OSH runs into August.
However, due to a family emergency, the upcoming July issue might be a lit
tle late. My sister, who lives near DC, came down to visit me with her ne
w boyfriend, this past Saturday. After taking him flying late Saturday af
ternoon, we were sitting around my hangar at the Williamsburg Airport and
taking turns riding on a kind of exercise machine called a trikke, photo
below, that I have had for several years and use around the airport for
fun transportation and some exercise. You propel it by doing a kind of
skiing motion with your total body. Great workout. My sister had ridde
n it before, but for some reason this time she "got her Center of Gravity
too far aft" and fell backwards hitting on her rear end (tail) and head
- resulting in a lot of pain. She is not tail wheel qualified.
After a doctor / pilot friend checked her out on the ramp in front of my
hangar, we took her to the emergency room and they found a broken back bo
ne, the T-12 (actually they call it a crush fracture of T-12), and as of
5 PM Wednesday (today), she is still in the hospital here in Williamsburg
. They have fitted a back brace and are trying to come up with some pain
medications that do not make her so sick. There is a chance that she wil
l move to a hospital rehab facility near DC soon, perhaps tomorrow. That
has been recommended by the local doctors and approved by her insurance.
Transportation will be via ambulance. Long range outlook is apparently
good with no surgery called for at this time, but the next three weeks ar
e going to be painful.
Although I have been trying to work on the next newsletter while here with
her in the hospital room (almost continuously since Saturday evening), th
ere are lots of interruptions and it is hard to keep my mind on "target".
Hopefully, I will get it out on time, but just wanted everyone to know
that it might be late getting published.
Blue Skies and watch that aft CG or you may get a pain in the butt.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
In a message dated 6/24/2010 10:28:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Thanks Max and Olena,
If you have any new photos or information for the July newsletter I
need it soon - NLT tomorrow if possible. Thanks.
Blue Skies,
Buz
Buz,
Don't know if this is suitable for the newsletter.
I just replaced the ignition switch on N17EF again. I got the last one in
Sept of 2008. Rough runner on the mag check but normal operation on both.
Pete diagnosed the problem both times. These switches are PMA'd and should
last longer. And the price has jumped, now $125 ($140 w/tax and shipping)
from Spruce. I wonder if this has been a common problem?
I'll be in Shelbyville next week for some help on some maint items and a
BFR. I'll never learn all the EFIS features without some help.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Thanks to all who sent good wishes for my sister's fast recovery. Today
they did move her via ambulance to a Health Care facility in northern
Virginia near where she lives. Based on that I can now get back to work on the
next newsletter and still hope to make my 1 July goal for publication on the
various web sites. I am also starting preparation for my trip to Oshkosh.
I plan to arrive there NLT 18 July and will be once again working in
Vintage Aircraft Registration, but spending most of my work time on a Gator or
golf cart meeting and greeting all Vintage aircraft. I usually get by the
Lightning booth several times a day and spend some time there when I am not
on duty. So hope to see many of you there.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
In a message dated 6/23/2010 9:15:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lbmathias(at)verizon.net writes:
I will be leaving on July 4 for Kona, HI to attend the 99s International
Conference and return on July 10.
Great, I guess that means you are finally the only "Commander" of the 99s.
I'll try to get the draft newsletter to you by Monday. Any idea what the
program is this Saturday at 1377?
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Next Lightning Newsletter |
No, I don't know anything about the program; I will be flying up to
Frederick, MD on Saturday AM and taking Connie Jones so we can run a 99s
membership drive at the FDK Open House.
Yes, I was elected the governor; been spending lots of time on selecting
committee chairmen and organizing changes needed to our bylaws.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Next Lightning Newsletter
In a message dated 6/23/2010 9:15:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lbmathias(at)verizon.net writes:
I will be leaving on July 4 for Kona, HI to attend the 99s
International Conference and return on July 10.
Great, I guess that means you are finally the only "Commander" of the
99s. I'll try to get the draft newsletter to you by Monday. Any idea
what the program is this Saturday at 1377?
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Ken Wilson's Lightning, N127KL, Flew for the First time this afternoon. The
30 minute flight went well with no problems. The panel is a Sport GRT EFIS
for a primary PFD and a GDU375 for GPS. Tru trak auto pilot and a GRT EIS
round out the instrumentation. We should get some more hours on it next
week and than Ken will take over the flight testing.
Will post some photos of Ken's completed "JET" on Monday.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Lightning Newsletter for July 2010, Issue 3-7 |
All,
The July 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at
least two of the websites that carry our newsletters. Both Ryan of Green
Landings and Jim Langley have the newest issue posted. I have not heard
yet from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or not, but
sometimes their commercial web guy is not the quickest to respond to their
changes to the official Lightning site. As always, it is my goal to have each
new newsletter available to our readers no later than the first day of each
month, so that is why I am sending this out even though it may not be
posted on all websites yet. And as a reminder for next month, I'll be at
Oshkosh until at least 1 August, so the August issue will be several days late
since I will need to get home, then finalize that issue with all the OSH
photos.
For now, look for the new July issue at Jim Langley's site or on the Green
Landings site:
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
Of course the factory site is:
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
New this month, I also sent the newsletter to Max at Moonshine Aviation
in Florida to post on their site, but have not heard from him or Olena as to
whether the newsletter is posted there yet.
_http://www.moonshineaviation.com_ (http://www.moonshineaviation.com)
In the future, when Philip Beeson has his new Florida Lightning Squadron
website ready, I will also be sending him a copy of each newsletter to post.
Now for a few words on this issue. First off, there is a late breaking
Safety Bulletin on Matco wheels that was added to this issue at the last
moment. Be sure to look for that and see if it covers your Lightning's wheels.
Featured in this issue is Greg Crouchley's Lightning of the Month as well
as a great write up by Greg on building his Lightning. Another great
article is by the Northeast Lightning dealer, Dave Jalanti on his demo
Lightning. Dave now has his Lightning certified as the very first ELSA LS-1
Lightning and the first part of his two part article on this process is in this
issue.
Also look for updates from the factory, other interesting articles from
Lightning builders and flyers, some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as
usual, a flight safety article. And if you have ever wondered how some
squirrels can fly and others can not, the Skunk works section will show you
the difference between flying squirrels and regular non-flying ones.
As always, I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. I depend on you
for content, article suggestions, and on your comments for improvement. That
is why I am always pleading for your feedback and comments. Therefore, if
you don't send a comment on this month's newsletter, the Easter bunny,
tooth fairy, and Santa will not be visiting you this coming year. They are
all strong supporters of the Lightning and out newsletter. At least two of
them have switched their old mode of transportation and are now flying a
Lightning. Not sure yet if Nick wants to sell a Lightning to a fairy. Did I
really say that???
One final thought, with the 4th of July weekend upon us, be sure to
celebrate the 4th by going flying. It is a great way to honor the holiday by
expressing one of our great freedoms - the freedom of flight. Take someone
with you to share your love of aviation.
Blue Skies and happy flying,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter for July 2010, Issue 3-7 |
| From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Buz,
Great read, as always. I'm second in line to use the hammock that we've set
up in the hangar for those "too-much-thermals-around-midday" hours, and
guess what I'll be reading there.
The Newsletter and the Index are on the www.moonshineaviation.com website,
and I'll get a proper separate section for all the back issues there
sometime in the near future.
Once again, thanks a lot!
All the best,
Max
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:56 PM, wrote:
> All,
> The *July 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter* is now posted on at
> least two of the websites that carry our newsletters. Both *Ryan of
> Green Landings and Jim Langley* have the newest issue posted. I have not
> heard yet from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or not,
> but sometimes their commercial web guy is not the quickest to respond to
> their changes to the official Lightning site. As always, it is my goal to
> have each new newsletter available to our readers no later than the first
> day of each month, so that is why I am sending this out even though it may
> not be posted on all websites yet. And as a reminder for next month, I'll
> be at Oshkosh until at least 1 August, so the August issue will be several
> days late since I will need to get home, then finalize that issue with all
> the OSH photos.
>
> For now, look for the new July issue at Jim Langley's site or on the Green
> Landings site:
>
> http://www.greenlandings.com/
>
> http://www.jimslightning.com/
>
> Of course the factory site is:
>
> http://www.flylightning.net/
>
> New this month, I also sent the newsletter to *Max at Moonshine Aviation
> in Florida* to post on their site, but have not heard from him or *Olena* as
> to whether the newsletter is posted there yet.
>
> http://www.moonshineaviation.com
>
> In the future, when *Philip Beeson* has his new *Florida Lightning
> Squadron* website ready, I will also be sending him a copy of each
> newsletter to post.
>
> Now for a few words on this issue. First off, there is a *late breaking
> Safety Bulletin on Matco wheels* that was added to this issue at the last
> moment. Be sure to look for that and see if it covers your Lightning's
> wheels.
>
> Featured in this issue is *Greg Crouchley's Lightning of the Month* as
> well as a great write up by Greg on building his Lightning. Another great
> article is by the *Northeast Lightning dealer, Dave Jalanti* on his demo
> Lightning. Dave now has his Lightning certified as the *very first ELSA
> LS-1* Lightning and the first part of his two part article on this process
> is in this issue.
>
> Also look for updates from the factory, other interesting articles from
> Lightning builders and flyers, some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as
> usual, a flight safety article. And if you have ever wondered how some
> squirrels can fly and others can not, the Skunk works section will show you
> the difference between flying squirrels and regular non-flying ones.
>
> As always, I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. I depend on you for
> content, article suggestions, and on your comments for improvement. That is
> why I am always pleading for your feedback and comments. Therefore, if you
> don't send a comment on this month's newsletter, the Easter bunny, tooth
> fairy, and Santa will not be visiting you this coming year. They are all
> strong supporters of the Lightning and out newsletter. At least two of them
> have switched their old mode of transportation and are now flying a
> Lightning. Not sure yet if Nick wants to sell a Lightning to a fairy. Did
> I really say that???
>
> One final thought, with the 4th of July weekend upon us, be sure to
> celebrate the 4th by going flying. It is a great way to honor the holiday
> by expressing one of our great freedoms - the freedom of flight. Take
> someone with you to share your love of aviation.
>
> Blue Skies and happy flying,
> Buz Rich
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter for July 2010, Issue 3-7 |
Another great job, Buz. Thank you for all your efforts.
Lynn
In a message dated 7/1/2010 1:04:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
All,
The July 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at
least two of the websites that carry our newsletters. Both Ryan of Green
Landings and Jim Langley have the newest issue posted. I have not heard
yet from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or not, but
sometimes their commercial web guy is not the quickest to respond to their
changes to the official Lightning site. As always, it is my goal to have each
new newsletter available to our readers no later than the first day of each
month, so that is why I am sending this out even though it may not be
posted on all websites yet. And as a reminder for next month, I'll be at
Oshkosh until at least 1 August, so the August issue will be several days late
since I will need to get home, then finalize that issue with all the OSH
photos.
For now, look for the new July issue at Jim Langley's site or on the Green
Landings site:
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
Of course the factory site is:
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
New this month, I also sent the newsletter to Max at Moonshine Aviation
in Florida to post on their site, but have not heard from him or Olena as to
whether the newsletter is posted there yet.
_http://www.moonshineaviation.com_ (http://www.moonshineaviation.com/)
In the future, when Philip Beeson has his new Florida Lightning Squadron
website ready, I will also be sending him a copy of each newsletter to post.
Now for a few words on this issue. First off, there is a late breaking
Safety Bulletin on Matco wheels that was added to this issue at the last
moment. Be sure to look for that and see if it covers your Lightning's wheels.
Featured in this issue is Greg Crouchley's Lightning of the Month as well
as a great write up by Greg on building his Lightning. Another great
article is by the Northeast Lightning dealer, Dave Jalanti on his demo
Lightning. Dave now has his Lightning certified as the very first ELSA LS-1
Lightning and the first part of his two part article on this process is in this
issue.
Also look for updates from the factory, other interesting articles from
Lightning builders and flyers, some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as
usual, a flight safety article. And if you have ever wondered how some
squirrels can fly and others can not, the Skunk works section will show you
the difference between flying squirrels and regular non-flying ones.
As always, I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. I depend on you
for content, article suggestions, and on your comments for improvement. That
is why I am always pleading for your feedback and comments. Therefore, if
you don't send a comment on this month's newsletter, the Easter bunny,
tooth fairy, and Santa will not be visiting you this coming year. They are
all strong supporters of the Lightning and out newsletter. At least two of
them have switched their old mode of transportation and are now flying a
Lightning. Not sure yet if Nick wants to sell a Lightning to a fairy. Did I
really say that???
One final thought, with the 4th of July weekend upon us, be sure to
celebrate the 4th by going flying. It is a great way to honor the holiday by
expressing one of our great freedoms - the freedom of flight. Take someone
with you to share your love of aviation.
Blue Skies and happy flying,
Buz Rich
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Lightning Newsletter for July 2010, Issue 3-7 |
The News Letter is now up on Arions web site as well
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter for July 2010, Issue 3-7
All,
The July 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at
least two of the websites that carry our newsletters. Both Ryan of Green
Landings and Jim Langley have the newest issue posted. I have not heard yet
from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or not, but
sometimes their commercial web guy is not the quickest to respond to their
changes to the official Lightning site. As always, it is my goal to have
each new newsletter available to our readers no later than the first day of
each month, so that is why I am sending this out even though it may not be
posted on all websites yet. And as a reminder for next month, I'll be at
Oshkosh until at least 1 August, so the August issue will be several days
late since I will need to get home, then finalize that issue with all the
OSH photos.
For now, look for the new July issue at Jim Langley's site or on the Green
Landings site:
<http://www.greenlandings.com/> http://www.greenlandings.com/
<http://www.jimslightning.com/> http://www.jimslightning.com/
Of course the factory site is:
<http://www.flylightning.net/> http://www.flylightning.net/
New this month, I also sent the newsletter to Max at Moonshine Aviation in
Florida to post on their site, but have not heard from him or Olena as to
whether the newsletter is posted there yet.
<http://www.moonshineaviation.com> http://www.moonshineaviation.com
In the future, when Philip Beeson has his new Florida Lightning Squadron
website ready, I will also be sending him a copy of each newsletter to post.
Now for a few words on this issue. First off, there is a late breaking
Safety Bulletin on Matco wheels that was added to this issue at the last
moment. Be sure to look for that and see if it covers your Lightning's
wheels.
Featured in this issue is Greg Crouchley's Lightning of the Month as well as
a great write up by Greg on building his Lightning. Another great article
is by the Northeast Lightning dealer, Dave Jalanti on his demo Lightning.
Dave now has his Lightning certified as the very first ELSA LS-1 Lightning
and the first part of his two part article on this process is in this issue.
Also look for updates from the factory, other interesting articles from
Lightning builders and flyers, some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as
usual, a flight safety article. And if you have ever wondered how some
squirrels can fly and others can not, the Skunk works section will show you
the difference between flying squirrels and regular non-flying ones.
As always, I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. I depend on you for
content, article suggestions, and on your comments for improvement. That is
why I am always pleading for your feedback and comments. Therefore, if you
don't send a comment on this month's newsletter, the Easter bunny, tooth
fairy, and Santa will not be visiting you this coming year. They are all
strong supporters of the Lightning and out newsletter. At least two of them
have switched their old mode of transportation and are now flying a
Lightning. Not sure yet if Nick wants to sell a Lightning to a fairy. Did
I really say that???
One final thought, with the 4th of July weekend upon us, be sure to
celebrate the 4th by going flying. It is a great way to honor the holiday
by expressing one of our great freedoms - the freedom of flight. Take
someone with you to share your love of aviation.
Blue Skies and happy flying,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter for July 2010, Issue 3-7 |
| From: | marvinlnaz(at)yahoo.com |
D
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Sender: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:32:31
for July 2010, Issue 3-7
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
What has everybody using for tire pressure on the mains?
Would appricate input. Tex
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
Tex,
I believe it depends on tire.
I know alot of folks have tried different pressures in working through som
e wheel shimmy.
Right now with the Air Trac mains, I'm using 32PSI and I'm still experimen
ting wiht the Dyna Beads as a dynamic balancing technique.
I was hoping to finalize my testing this weekend, but we've got a wash out
here in west central Florida.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Tex Mantell <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:49 am
Subject: Lightning-List: tire pressure
What has everybody using for tire pressure on the mains?
Would appricate input. Tex
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| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
thanks for the reply, I am waiting on more info on the beads from you .
thanks again. tex
----- Original Message -----
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: tire pressure
Tex,
I believe it depends on tire.
I know alot of folks have tried different pressures in working through
some wheel shimmy.
Right now with the Air Trac mains, I'm using 32PSI and I'm still
experimenting wiht the Dyna Beads as a dynamic balancing technique.
I was hoping to finalize my testing this weekend, but we've got a wash
out here in west central Florida.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Tex Mantell <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:49 am
Subject: Lightning-List: tire pressure
What has everybody using for tire pressure on the mains?
Would appricate input. Tex
t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
Hey Tex: I am using 25 pounds (as recommended by Arion). And have found
that by using a heavier tire (I currently have a 10 ply on the RH main) and
getting it closely balanced, that most of the 20 mph "wheel bounce" is gone.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 7/4/2010 10:52:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net writes:
What has everybody using for tire pressure on the mains?
Would appricate input. Tex
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> |
N330BH has been using 32 psi , wheel shimmy is minimal, after replacing the
matco wheel bolts. Bob Haas. Buckingham
Field. Original WW 11 concrete with expansion joints.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: tire pressure
Hey Tex: I am using 25 pounds (as recommended by Arion). And have found that
by using a heavier tire (I currently have a 10 ply on the RH main) and
getting it closely balanced, that most of the 20 mph "wheel bounce" is gone.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 7/4/2010 10:52:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net writes:
What has everybody using for tire pressure on the mains?
Would appricate input. Tex
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
Tex,
What I have found that works best overall is to air the mains up to 28
PSI, then when they look slightly low on pressure, they will probably be
about 23 PSI. That is when I air them up to 28 PSI again.
I am at Dave Jalanti's place for the next several days, so why not fly
down for a visit. We might even get the two Lightnings up for some
formation photos. His operation is at Kline Kill Airport (NY1). Hopefully Carl
and Pat can come over also while I am here.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 7/4/2010 10:52:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net writes:
What has everybody using for tire pressure on the mains?
Would appricate input. Tex
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Check out the August issue of Plane and Pilot! |
Heh all you Lightning fans,
Check out the August issue of Plane & Pilot. "25 Top Light Sport aircraft",
You will find a beautiful Shot of N325AL of page 35.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Walt Mendenhall" <mendw(at)onlinemac.com> |
| Subject: | FW: lightning for sale |
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt Mendenhall [mailto:mendw(at)onlinemac.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: lightning for sale
I am putting my 2008 lightning up for sale due to down turn in the economy
and its effects on my business, you can see the ad and details at my
barnstormers ad under lightning for sale. Thanks!
Walt Mendenhall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Oshkosh early report |
I arrived at Oshkosh yesterday late afternoon (Friday), set up camp, and
expected to start greeting arriving Vintage aircraft this morning. When I
arrived yesterday I was somewhat surprised to see NO vintage aircraft
already here and parked and camping in the vintage area. Guess what, there are
NO arriving aircraft of any kind parked anywhere on any of the grass parking
areas. It is much too wet to allow vehicles of any kind on any of the
grass parking areas. So what few arriving aircraft that we have are being
parked on hard surfaces for the time being - perhaps until sometime next week.
Apparently this past Wednesday evening three large storms moved through
the area dumping lots of rain on the Oshkosh airport. I am told that parts
of Camp Scholer were under about a foot of water. In fact, in the
northwest corner of the North 40ty, there is a small lake still there. I know
it
will probably soon dry up, but what a sight.to see all that water where
many store bought aircraft, that are too new for Vintage parking, have parked
in the past.
The weather is beautiful today, but not much to do - hence this report.
I'll try to give additional updates as time and events allow. But now is
the time to start making your final preparations for you flight to Oshkosh in
your Lightning. Surely you are flying to Oshkosh. For the last two
years, Bill Hubbard has been the only customer Lightning at Oshkosh and he was
camping in the homebuilt camping area - both years. So show some wingman
support for Bill and fly on up to OSH for this years AirVenture. You'll be
glad you did. And don't forget to download and read the arrival notice.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Oshkosh report #2 |
Went downtown this afternoon and made two observations.
One - they are using a large pump to drain the lake on the NW corner
of the north forty. For those of you that know the airport layout, that is
where there was a walk through gate to get to Hardees and other nearby
restraunts. Many airplanes are being parked on the north ramp where the FBOs
are. They have already drained a "lake" in the campground where the new
water and electric hook up were for those trailers and motorhomes. Forecast
is for a chance of more rain tonight and tomorrow.
Two - there is an unbelievable amount of road construction going on
throughout the area on both sides of US 41. The parallel roads are down to
one lane and many parts are not paved. I just can't imagine the highway
department starting such a large project during the AirVenture time of the
year.
Other than that, it is a beautiful evening.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Oshkosh report #2 |
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Hi Buz, thanks for the updates helping with the excitement of our trip
which starts this afternoon when we head for London for an overnight
prior to an early check in for the United flight to Chicago.
The Esqual although finished is now stalled as the engineering company
that did the independent inspection won't now sign as they 'don't know
what they are signing for'.... Further communication between the parties
are required, my fault as getting a permit to fly across a few borders
is an expected complication.
See you soon, Regards, Clive + Shirley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: 18 July 2010 00:24
Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh report #2
Went downtown this afternoon and made two observations.
One - they are using a large pump to drain the lake on the NW corner
of the north forty. For those of you that know the airport layout,
that is where there was a walk through gate to get to Hardees and other
nearby restraunts. Many airplanes are being parked on the north ramp
where the FBOs are. They have already drained a "lake" in the
campground where the new water and electric hook up were for those
trailers and motorhomes. Forecast is for a chance of more rain tonight
and tomorrow.
Two - there is an unbelievable amount of road construction going on
throughout the area on both sides of US 41. The parallel roads are down
to one lane and many parts are not paved. I just can't imagine the
highway department starting such a large project during the AirVenture
time of the year.
Other than that, it is a beautiful evening.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | More rain at OSH |
More rain last night and then again this morning. Lots of standing water
all over the place. If you are not going to fly your Lightning, think
about bringing your experimental Ark. Forecast is for clearing this afternoon,
and in fact, I am starting to see some blue sky now.
See you all next week - be there, aloha.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Not much news to report other than a few of my buddies (from Montana and
Oregon) have flown in. They had to park their airplanes by Aero Shell
Square, but have their tents set up where their airplanes will eventually
end
up. Weather now is over cast but no more rain since mid morning. Below
info
is from an email for volunteers. Some of the info might be helpful.
Blue Skies,
Buz
MAP OF GROUNDS AVAILABLE
A map of the AirVenture 2010 grounds is now available for viewing online.
Plot out your experience here:
_www.airventure.org/images/av10_visitormap.jpg_ (http://www.airventure.org
/images/av10_visitormap.jpg)
Presentations Schedule is Now Online
Hundreds of presentations, forums, workshops, speakers, programs, and mor
e
are now listed on the AirVenture website, allowing users an efficient way
to advance plan their visit to Oshkosh next month. View the schedule:
_www.airventure.org/schedule_ (http://www.airventure.org/schedule)
THEATER IN THE WOODS SCHEDULE NOW ONLINE
A vast array of concerts and informative programs once again highlight th
e
Theater in the Woods lineup in 2010, including performances by two popula
r
musical acts on AirVenture=99s final weekend. View the full schedul
e:
_www.airventure.org/news/2010/100617_titw.html_
(http://www.airventure.org/news/2010/100617_titw.html)
Fly-In Theater SCHEDULE NOW ONLINE
Aviation heroes spanning the past 60 years headline this year=99s
Fly-In
Theater presenters at AirVenture, presented by Ford Motor Company and
supported by Hamilton Watches. View the full schedule:
_www.airventure.org/news/2010/100617_theater.html_
(http://www.airventure.org/news/2010/100617_theater.html)
Veterans: Share, Preserve Memories With Timeless Voices
Through EAA=99s Timeless Voices of Aviation, veterans attending Air
Venture
will be able tell their stories of service and give others a glimpse into
their time spent preserving our freedom:
_www.airventure.org/news/2010/100624_tv.html_ (http://www.airventure.org/n
ews/2010/100624_tv.html)
WORK CONTINUING ON HIGHWAY 41 UPGRADE
Work continues on the major upgrade to Hwy. 41. Wisconsin DOT officials
have assured EAA that two lanes of traffic in each direction will be
maintained throughout the fly-in week. The reconstructed 20th Ave. overpa
ss over
Hwy. 41 recently opened, however the Witzel Ave. overpass will remain clo
sed
as work continues on that. Work on the Washburn and Koeller frontage
streets between 20th and Witzel avenues may also cause delays. On Oshkosh
=99s north
side, the ramps to and from Hwy. 76 recently reopened, expansion work on
the Lake Butte des Morts bridge continues, and work has begun on the Hwy.
41
expansion from Hwy. 45 to Neenah. For more information, visit
_www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/us41expansion/index.htm_
(http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/us41expansion/index.htm) .
SITE IMPROVEMENTS PROGRESSING
In addition to the Warbirds area expansion and electrical and water
hookups at some Camp Scholler campsites, several other site improvements
are
progressing =93 the expansion of Hangar C and IAC pavilion, a new
North 40
shower, and a new bike path. Visit Steve Taylor=99s blog for a full
update and
photos: _airventuresiteupdate.blogspot.com_
(http://airventuresiteupdate.blogspot.com/) .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks For the updates Buz, hope to be out there on the 27th. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: OSH update
Not much news to report other than a few of my buddies (from Montana
and Oregon) have flown in. They had to park their airplanes by Aero
Shell Square, but have their tents set up where their airplanes will
eventually end up. Weather now is over cast but no more rain since mid
morning. Below info is from an email for volunteers. Some of the info
might be helpful.
Blue Skies,
Buz
MAP OF GROUNDS AVAILABLE
A map of the AirVenture 2010 grounds is now available for viewing
online. Plot out your experience here:
www.airventure.org/images/av10_visitormap.jpg
Presentations Schedule is Now Online
Hundreds of presentations, forums, workshops, speakers, programs, and
more are now listed on the AirVenture website, allowing users an
efficient way to advance plan their visit to Oshkosh next month. View
the schedule: www.airventure.org/schedule
THEATER IN THE WOODS SCHEDULE NOW ONLINE
A vast array of concerts and informative programs once again highlight
the Theater in the Woods lineup in 2010, including performances by two
popular musical acts on AirVenture=99s final weekend. View the
full schedule: www.airventure.org/news/2010/100617_titw.html
Fly-In Theater SCHEDULE NOW ONLINE
Aviation heroes spanning the past 60 years headline this
year=99s Fly-In Theater presenters at AirVenture, presented by
Ford Motor Company and supported by Hamilton Watches. View the full
schedule: www.airventure.org/news/2010/100617_theater.html
Veterans: Share, Preserve Memories With Timeless Voices
Through EAA=99s Timeless Voices of Aviation, veterans attending
AirVenture will be able tell their stories of service and give others a
glimpse into their time spent preserving our freedom:
www.airventure.org/news/2010/100624_tv.html
WORK CONTINUING ON HIGHWAY 41 UPGRADE
Work continues on the major upgrade to Hwy. 41. Wisconsin DOT
officials have assured EAA that two lanes of traffic in each direction
will be maintained throughout the fly-in week. The reconstructed 20th
Ave. overpass over Hwy. 41 recently opened, however the Witzel Ave.
overpass will remain closed as work continues on that. Work on the
Washburn and Koeller frontage streets between 20th and Witzel avenues
may also cause delays. On Oshkosh=99s north side, the ramps to and
from Hwy. 76 recently reopened, expansion work on the Lake Butte des
Morts bridge continues, and work has begun on the Hwy. 41 expansion from
Hwy. 45 to Neenah. For more information, visit
www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/us41expansion/index.htm.
SITE IMPROVEMENTS PROGRESSING
In addition to the Warbirds area expansion and electrical and water
hookups at some Camp Scholler campsites, several other site improvements
are progressing =93 the expansion of Hangar C and IAC pavilion, a
new North 40 shower, and a new bike path. Visit Steve Taylor=99s
blog for a full update and photos: airventuresiteupdate.blogspot.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | another update from OSH |
No rain today, at least so far. There is a chance of rain tonight, but
for now things are drying out. More aircraft have arrived, but still no
parking on the grass. The best guess at the moment is that airplanes will move
to the regular parking areas on Wednesday if the drying continues. Until
then, we are mostly enjoying watching the other parts of the show go
together and enjoying meeting old friends.
For those that are going to be here, the Lightning (and Jabiru) booths are
in the same basic location as last year. As you come in the main gate go
to the third double row of displays and turn right. Look for the tent with
Pilatus painted on top of it and the Lightning and Jab guys will be just
behind that. All the major aircraft display tents are already up.
Another way to find them if you are coming from homebuilt parking is walk up the
main walkway from Aero Shell Square and go three rows beyond (west) exhibit
building D. The actual booth numbers are 134, 135, and 136.
The Light Sport Mall is near the same area as last year, but not exactly
the same. Close enough that you can't miss it. There will be at least one
Lightning and one Jab in the Light Sport Mall.
Blue Skies (at least at the moment)
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Hobbs" <hobbs28(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: another update from OSH |
Buz ,Greg and I just got home today from the air show in Arlington, Wa..
Do you think Greg Needs to bring our 24 foot pontoon boat? If the
weather has been bad it will certainly be excellent for the show. We
had no rain this year in Arlington . I think it was a first. I will be
sending you pictures and writing something about the trip, however feel
free to put it in a later newsletter because I know there will be enough
information after OSH. Greg will be arriving Saturday to help out. I am
sorry I won't be there but the show must go on! Thanks for all you do!
Crystal Hobbs
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: another update from OSH
No rain today, at least so far. There is a chance of rain tonight,
but for now things are drying out. More aircraft have arrived, but
still no parking on the grass. The best guess at the moment is that
airplanes will move to the regular parking areas on Wednesday if the
drying continues. Until then, we are mostly enjoying watching the other
parts of the show go together and enjoying meeting old friends.
For those that are going to be here, the Lightning (and Jabiru) booths
are in the same basic location as last year. As you come in the main
gate go to the third double row of displays and turn right. Look for
the tent with Pilatus painted on top of it and the Lightning and Jab
guys will be just behind that. All the major aircraft display tents
are already up. Another way to find them if you are coming from
homebuilt parking is walk up the main walkway from Aero Shell Square and
go three rows beyond (west) exhibit building D. The actual booth
numbers are 134, 135, and 136.
The Light Sport Mall is near the same area as last year, but not
exactly the same. Close enough that you can't miss it. There will be
at least one Lightning and one Jab in the Light Sport Mall.
Blue Skies (at least at the moment)
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: another update from OSH |
Hi Crystal,
Sorry to hear you will not be at OSH. We will miss you, but glad Greg
will be here. Also glad you made the Arlington show and I look forward to
getting your photos and write up from that show. No rain today, so
things have been drying out well. Latest word is that they may start letting
the lighter aircraft into the parking areas tomorrow and hopefully the others
on Wednesday.
I really appreciate you comments on the newsletter. It takes a lot of
time, but I enjoy doing it. My concern is that I have been doing it for
three years now and it probably needs some fresh ideas, new "blood" and
perhaps a new direction. I am hoping someone else will take it over next year.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 7/19/2010 5:32:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hobbs28(at)gmail.com writes:
Buz ,Greg and I just got home today from the air show in Arlington, Wa..
Do you think Greg Needs to bring our 24 foot pontoon boat? If the weather
has been bad it will certainly be excellent for the show. We had no rain
this year in Arlington . I think it was a first. I will be sending you
pictures and writing something about the trip, however feel free to put it in
a
later newsletter because I know there will be enough information after OSH.
Greg will be arriving Saturday to help out. I am sorry I won't be there
but the show must go on! Thanks for all you do! Crystal Hobbs
----- Original Message -----
From: _N1BZRich(at)aol.com_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: another update from OSH
No rain today, at least so far. There is a chance of rain tonight, but
for now things are drying out. More aircraft have arrived, but still no
parking on the grass. The best guess at the moment is that airplanes will move
to the regular parking areas on Wednesday if the drying continues. Until
then, we are mostly enjoying watching the other parts of the show go
together and enjoying meeting old friends.
For those that are going to be here, the Lightning (and Jabiru) booths are
in the same basic location as last year. As you come in the main gate go
to the third double row of displays and turn right. Look for the tent with
Pilatus painted on top of it and the Lightning and Jab guys will be just
behind that. All the major aircraft display tents are already up.
Another way to find them if you are coming from homebuilt parking is walk up the
main walkway from Aero Shell Square and go three rows beyond (west) exhibit
building D. The actual booth numbers are 134, 135, and 136.
The Light Sport Mall is near the same area as last year, but not exactly
the same. Close enough that you can't miss it. There will be at least one
Lightning and one Jab in the Light Sport Mall.
Blue Skies (at least at the moment)
Buz
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Monday night OSH update |
No rain today, but as I write this, we have a very light shower in
progress. But overall, things have been drying out well today. Latest word is
that they may start letting the lighter aircraft into the parking areas
tomorrow and hopefully the others on Wednesday. I guess a lot depends on just
how much rain we get tonight.
As a reminder, to find the Lightning booth from the main gate, go to the
third double row of displays and turn right. Look for the tent with Pilatus
painted on top of it and the Lightning and Jab guys will be just behind
that. Another way to find them if you are coming from homebuilt parking is
walk up the main walkway (west) from Aero Shell Square and go three rows
beyond exhibit building D. The actual booth numbers are 134, 135, and 136. .
The beer light it on.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Hacker <shacker53(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Aiming the Landing & Tail Light on the Lightning |
I am looking for suggestions on the best way to aim the Landing and Taxing Light
on my Lightning. Last Saturday night, I did (7) take off and landings with
my flight instructor as part of my Private Pilot Training and I wasn't very satisfied
with the setup. To be fair, I had not yet adjusted them from the build.
With my plane in a parked position, currently both lights aim about straight
out. If you are pleased with how you have set up your lights, I would be interested
in knowing approximately where the center of your lights aim on your
hanger door or apron for example, if you set your plane back about 20 feet back
from the hanger. Or if you have a better method for aiming your lights I would
welcome your input. Thanks.
Stephen Hacker
Lightning N335CE
Stephen Hacker
H: 952-939-1160
C: 612-747-7303
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Hacker <shacker53(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | CORRECTION Aiming the Landing & Taxing Light on the Lightning |
Correction. I meant to write Taxing, and not Tail Light
I am looking for suggestions on the best way to aim the Landing and Taxing Light
on my Lightning. Last Saturday night, I did (7) take off and landings with
my flight instructor as part of my Private Pilot Training and I wasn't very satisfied
with the setup. To be fair, I had not yet adjusted them from the build.
With my plane in a parked position, currently both lights aim about straight
out. If you are pleased with how you have set up your lights, I would be interested
in knowing approximately where the center of your lights aim on your
hanger door or apron for example, if you set your plane back about 20 feet back
from the hanger. Or if you have a better method for aiming your lights I would
welcome your input. Thanks.
Stephen Hacker
Lightning N335CE
Stephen Hacker
H: 952-939-1160
C: 612-747-7303
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Tue night update on OSH |
Today was another good day of drying out, and I think the current plan for
tomorrow is to start moving those aircraft already here to selected grass
parking areas in the various parts of Whitman Field. Driving around this
evening on the Gator I saw probably 15 or so Vintage aircraft, one homebuilt,
one ultralight, one helicopter, four warbirds, and probably 10 or so store
bought that are too new for vintage parking. I know in the Vintage area,
the plan is to mow the grass tomorrow and then allow parking in selected
areas. We expect quite a few more arrivals tomorrow based on the forecast
for delta sierra weather on Thursday.
In the Vintage area where I work, it really looks strange to see only
camping tents set up where you usually see airplanes with people camping beside
them. Hopefully tomorrow things will start to get back to normal.
As for the homebuilt camping area - no one there at all.
As far as finding the Lightning and Jabiru booths in the main display
area. I mentioned that they would be in booths 134,135, and 136 and to look
behind the Pilatus tent with their name on it. Well, also look for the Piper
display tent and the Lightning guys will be just west of that area. So
kind of between the Pilatus and Piper tents. I think it is a great location
and I am hoping that the Piper Sport is close to the Lightning so potential
customers can easily see both when walking down the road/path between the
two booths.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tue night update on OSH |
Thanks for the updates, Buz.
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Tue night update on OSH
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:13 PM
Today was another good day of drying out, and I think the current plan for
tomorrow is to start moving those aircraft already here to selected grass
parking areas in the various parts of Whitman Field.- Driving around this
evening on the Gator I saw probably 15 or so Vintage aircraft, one homebuil
t,
one ultralight, one helicopter,-four warbirds, and probably 10 or so stor
e
bought that are too new for vintage parking.- I know in the Vintage area,
the plan is to mow the grass tomorrow and then allow parking in selected
areas.- We expect quite a few more arrivals tomorrow based on the forecas
t
for delta sierra weather on Thursday.-
-
In the Vintage area where I work, it really looks strange to see only
camping tents set up where you usually see airplanes with people camping be
side
them.- Hopefully tomorrow things will start to get back to normal.
As for the homebuilt camping area - no one there at all.-
-
As far as finding the Lightning and Jabiru booths in the main display
area.- I mentioned that they would be in booths 134,135, and 136 and to
look behind the Pilatus tent with their name on it.- Well, also look for
the Piper display tent and the Lightning guys will be just west of that
area.- So kind of between the Pilatus and Piper tents.- I think it is
a great location and I am hoping that the Piper Sport is close to the Light
ning
so potential customers can easily see both when walking down the road/path
between the two booths.-
Blue Skies,
Buz
-
-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Wed evening - OSH update |
Lots of drying today with warm weather, low humidity, and some wind, and
the mowers were working almost everywhere. This afternoon they opened up
the parting areas and we were quite busy most of the afternoon. So things
are looking more like normal with four days to go. If there is any bad news,
it is that rain is forecast for tomorrow. Don't know how much, but
hopefully the ground can take it.
Guess who landed at OSH today? Our British newsletter correspondent,
Clive James and his lovely bride, Shirley, from Norfolk (No, not Norfolk,
Virginia, the real Norfolk in England). Clive called me on my cell and we were
able to finally meet face to face for the first time since we have been
corresponding via email for probably three years. I know all of you have
enjoyed Clive's articles in past Lightning Newsletters. They only stayed a
short while as they are flying around this part of the US for a few days
before the official start of AirVenture. They will be back on Monday (opening
day) and hope to meet many Lightning enthusiast in the booth.
>From here on out I may get too busy to send additional updates, but will
try to continue to do so. Just wanted to provide a heads up incase I miss a
day or more. Still looking forward to seeing everyone on Monday next
week.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
test message
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
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| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did all
testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2 pm went
up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15 below
cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about this
Dave McC
Esqual 060
----- Original Message -----
From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> test message
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
>
>
>
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Dave,
Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words for
the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into the airbox
and having the air filter that close to the back of the airbox just had to
be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think you are onto
something good.
Buz
PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
stuff is on the way.
In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Dave"
Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did all
testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2 pm
went
up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter that
would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and had wot
of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give up
rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15 below
cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about this
Dave McC
Esqual 060
----- Original Message -----
From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "davemcc"
>
> test message
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Sounds a good step forward Dave, I had an uneven WOT running with my
Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go after so
didn't do much experimentation.
Be good to see the pictures.
I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter box(Arion
supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new Naca
scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow, I
don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read some
back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas, maybe something about
the main jet...
I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2, hoping ignorance is
bliss.
Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH, amazing to a Brit where the anal
approach to airfield control is legendary, we were in the overhead at 3K
taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage, 'sure
call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they were
temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his 'Gaitor'!
We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back, Then to
the show in the car :-(
Regards, Clive (+Shirl)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did all
testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2 pm
went up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again
and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
cowl to air box and had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not
willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing
this to be a hit or miss.
what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
below cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited
about this Dave McC Esqual 060
----- Original Message -----
From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> test message
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Wife and I are hoping to set out this Sunday in the coach, hope to see you
there
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:06 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Sounds a good step forward Dave, I had an uneven WOT running with my
> Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go after so
> didn't do much experimentation.
> Be good to see the pictures.
>
> I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter box(Arion
> supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new Naca
> scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow, I
> don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read some
> back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas, maybe something about
> the main jet...
>
> I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2, hoping ignorance is
> bliss.
>
> Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH, amazing to a Brit where the anal
> approach to airfield control is legendary, we were in the overhead at 3K
> taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage, 'sure
> call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they were
> temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his 'Gaitor'!
>
> We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back, Then to
> the show in the car :-(
>
> Regards, Clive (+Shirl)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2 pm
> went up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again
> and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> cowl to air box and had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not
> willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing
> this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited
> about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
>>
>> test message
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
>>
>>
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| From: | Richard Zgol <richard.zgol(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: lightning for sale |
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| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
I made up the filter spacer thinking no one would see it, don"t look at
the hole spacing.
Didn"t get a chance to epoxy in the center plate -that I think is the
egt cure of the decade, giving smoother air into carb and in turn having
egts closer together
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words
for the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into
the airbox and having the air filter that close to the back of the
airbox just had to be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think
you are onto something good.
Buz
PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
stuff is on the way.
In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
pm went
up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
below
cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about
this
Dave McC
Esqual 060
----- Original Message -----
From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> test message
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
>
>
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| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Been watching the radar as was wondering if we were getting any rain in
Northern Mitchigan, managed a day out flying adding another 4 airfields
to my logbook though. Makinac Island is a strange place, a real touristy
place with overpriced everything, floods of toursits off every ferry,
however peace and tranquility as soon as you get out of town. The
airfield is fantastic but that's speaking as a Brit as most of the US
airfields are a world apart from what I'm used to. 1/2 walk from town.
They have a Fort though, built by the British!
>From the Radar OSH looks to have had a bucket full of rain and some,
just stopped now after several hours. Hopefully Buz's head is still
above water! Heard a few planes on the radio heading that way diverting
to delay their trips. Last night two Challenger UL Amphibians came into
St Ignace for fuel on their way to OSH. The guys were from Canada and
crusing at 60 mph, there's dedication for you. They won't be there yet
though, mainly cause of the rain.
Just trying to figure where to head for tomorrow so I can get back to
Appleton Saturday avoiding the weather both days......
Regards, Clive
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Thursday evening |
More rain today - lots of more rain. Started raining about 7 AM and
didn't stop until about 4 PM. Many flooded roads in the camping area and lots
of tents sitting in about six inches of water. Some trailers and motor
homes up to their axles in mud. Aircraft parking areas are once again
unusable/closed. The Lightning booth looks OK and some display aircraft, as well
as other show planes arrived late yesterday but are parked on hard surfaces,
either on aero shell square or on the north side at one of the two FBOs -
either Basler or Orion. Also some flooded roads down town this evening
when we went dinner. Hope the weather allows the Lightning and Jab guys to
make it to OSH tomorrow. Last forecast I saw called for a 40 percent chance
of rain tomorrow. We need at least two days for things to really dry out.
Other than the grass aircraft parking areas, everything else seems to be
going together for the show to start on time.
Hope to see many of you here.
Bring your snorkel.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10 |
Hi Dave=2C Yes=2C What Buz said. Send pictures!! Calm winds..........
........Jay Esqual 117DA
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Jul 2010 23:56:54 -0700
> From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10
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>
> 1. 05:38 AM - Re: airbox (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM)
> 2. 06:07 AM - Re: airbox (James=2C Clive R)
> 3. 07:52 AM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 4. 10:09 AM - Re: FW: lightning for sale (Richard Zgol)
> 5. 01:05 PM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 6. 02:53 PM - Oshkosh weather (James=2C Clive R)
> 7. 07:32 PM - Thursday evening (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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>
>
> From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> Dave=2C
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words for
> the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into the airb
ox
> and having the air filter that close to the back of the airbox just had t
o
> be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think you are onto
> something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did al
l
> testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went
> up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter that
> would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up again and had w
ot
> of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
> had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C not willing to give u
p
> rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15 b
elow
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited about th
is
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>
>
> Sounds a good step forward Dave=2C I had an uneven WOT running with my
> Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go after so
> didn't do much experimentation.
> Be good to see the pictures.
>
> I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter box(Arion
> supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new Naca
> scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow=2C I
> don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read some
> back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas=2C maybe something about
> the main jet...
>
> I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2=2C hoping ignorance is
> bliss.
>
> Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH=2C amazing to a Brit where the anal
> approach to airfield control is legendary=2C we were in the overhead at 3
K
> taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage=2C 'sure
> call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they were
> temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his 'Gaitor'!
>
> We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back=2C Then to
> the show in the car :-(
>
> Regards=2C Clive (+Shirl)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did al
l
> testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up agai
n
> and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> cowl to air box and had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C n
ot
> willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing
> this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited
> about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Wife and I are hoping to set out this Sunday in the coach=2C hope to see
you
> there
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Thursday=2C July 22=2C 2010 8:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> >
> > Sounds a good step forward Dave=2C I had an uneven WOT running with my
> > Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go after s
o
> > didn't do much experimentation.
> > Be good to see the pictures.
> >
> > I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter box(Arion
> > supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new Naca
> > scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow=2C I
> > don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read some
> > back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas=2C maybe something abo
ut
> > the main jet...
> >
> > I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2=2C hoping ignorance is
> > bliss.
> >
> > Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH=2C amazing to a Brit where the anal
> > approach to airfield control is legendary=2C we were in the overhead at
3K
> > taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage=2C 'sur
e
> > call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they wer
e
> > temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his 'Gaitor'!
> >
> > We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> > Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back=2C Then
to
> > the show in the car :-(
> >
> > Regards=2C Clive (+Shirl)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> > Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
> > testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at
2 pm
> > went up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filte
r
> > that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up ag
ain
> > and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> > cowl to air box and had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C
not
> > willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing
> > this to be a hit or miss.
> > what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15
> > below cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited
> > about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> >>
> >> test message
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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>
>
> From: Richard Zgol <richard.zgol(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for sale
>
> Walt=2C=0A=0AJust got this jibberish from your email.=C2- =0A=0
AWhat do you
> have for sale?=0A=0Amy email is richard.zgol(at)yahoo.com=0A=0Aricha
rd zgol
> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Walt
Mendenhall ndw(at)onlinemac.com>=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu=2C
July 15=2C
> 2010 4:52:51 PM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for sale=0A
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=C3=9E=C3=9Dhw
> =EF=BD=C3=88=C3=C2=BE=C2=B36=B0=0A=0A=0A
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> I made up the filter spacer thinking no one would see it=2C don"t look at
> the hole spacing.
> Didn"t get a chance to epoxy in the center plate -that I think is the
> egt cure of the decade=2C giving smoother air into carb and in turn havin
g
> egts closer together
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday=2C July 22=2C 2010 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Dave=2C
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words
> for the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into
> the airbox and having the air filter that close to the back of the
> airbox just had to be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think
> you are onto something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
> Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did
> all
> testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at 2
> pm went
> up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up again and
> had wot of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
> box and
> had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C not willing to give
> up rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
> miss.
> what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited about
> this
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh weather
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>
> Been watching the radar as was wondering if we were getting any rain in
> Northern Mitchigan=2C managed a day out flying adding another 4 airfields
> to my logbook though. Makinac Island is a strange place=2C a real tourist
y
> place with overpriced everything=2C floods of toursits off every ferry=2C
> however peace and tranquility as soon as you get out of town. The
> airfield is fantastic but that's speaking as a Brit as most of the US
> airfields are a world apart from what I'm used to. 1/2 walk from town.
> They have a Fort though=2C built by the British!
>
> >From the Radar OSH looks to have had a bucket full of rain and some=2C
> just stopped now after several hours. Hopefully Buz's head is still
> above water! Heard a few planes on the radio heading that way diverting
> to delay their trips. Last night two Challenger UL Amphibians came into
> St Ignace for fuel on their way to OSH. The guys were from Canada and
> crusing at 60 mph=2C there's dedication for you. They won't be there yet
> though=2C mainly cause of the rain.
>
> Just trying to figure where to head for tomorrow so I can get back to
> Appleton Saturday avoiding the weather both days......
>
> Regards=2C Clive
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Thursday evening
>
> More rain today - lots of more rain. Started raining about 7 AM and
> didn't stop until about 4 PM. Many flooded roads in the camping area and
lots
>
> of tents sitting in about six inches of water. Some trailers and motor
> homes up to their axles in mud. Aircraft parking areas are once again
> unusable/closed. The Lightning booth looks OK and some display aircraft
=2C as well
>
> as other show planes arrived late yesterday but are parked on hard surfac
es=2C
> either on aero shell square or on the north side at one of the two FBOs -
> either Basler or Orion. Also some flooded roads down town this evening
> when we went dinner. Hope the weather allows the Lightning and Jab guys t
o
> make it to OSH tomorrow. Last forecast I saw called for a 40 percent chan
ce
> of rain tomorrow. We need at least two days for things to really dry out.
> Other than the grass aircraft parking areas=2C everything else seems to b
e
> going together for the show to start on time.
> Hope to see many of you here.
> Bring your snorkel.
> Buz
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10 |
I sent photos, check my last post,, Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Schmitt
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10
Hi Dave, Yes, What Buz said. Send pictures!! Calm
winds..................Jay Esqual 117DA
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:56:54 -0700
> From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10
>
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>
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>
> 1. 05:38 AM - Re: airbox (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM)
> 2. 06:07 AM - Re: airbox (James, Clive R)
> 3. 07:52 AM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 4. 10:09 AM - Re: FW: lightning for sale (Richard Zgol)
> 5. 01:05 PM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 6. 02:53 PM - Oshkosh weather (James, Clive R)
> 7. 07:32 PM - Thursday evening (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> Dave,
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words for
> the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into the
airbox
> and having the air filter that close to the back of the airbox just
had to
> be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think you are onto
> something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went
> up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
that
> would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot
> of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
> had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
up
> rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
below
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about
this
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>
>
> Sounds a good step forward Dave, I had an uneven WOT running with my
> Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go
after so
> didn't do much experimentation.
> Be good to see the pictures.
>
> I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter
box(Arion
> supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new
Naca
> scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow, I
> don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read
some
> back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas, maybe something
about
> the main jet...
>
> I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2, hoping ignorance is
> bliss.
>
> Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH, amazing to a Brit where the anal
> approach to airfield control is legendary, we were in the overhead
at 3K
> taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage,
'sure
> call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they
were
> temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his
'Gaitor'!
>
> We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back, Then
to
> the show in the car :-(
>
> Regards, Clive (+Shirl)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air
filter
> that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up
again
> and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> cowl to air box and had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160,
not
> willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box
knowing
> this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited
> about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Wife and I are hoping to set out this Sunday in the coach, hope to
see you
> there
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> >
> > Sounds a good step forward Dave, I had an uneven WOT running with
my
> > Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go
after so
> > didn't do much experimentation.
> > Be good to see the pictures.
> >
> > I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter
box(Arion
> > supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new
Naca
> > scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow,
I
> > don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read
some
> > back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas, maybe something
about
> > the main jet...
> >
> > I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2, hoping ignorance
is
> > bliss.
> >
> > Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH, amazing to a Brit where the
anal
> > approach to airfield control is legendary, we were in the overhead
at 3K
> > taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage,
'sure
> > call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where
they were
> > temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his
'Gaitor'!
> >
> > We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> > Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back,
Then to
> > the show in the car :-(
> >
> > Regards, Clive (+Shirl)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
> > Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> > Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on.
Did all
> > testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at
2 pm
> > went up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air
filter
> > that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up
again
> > and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube
from
> > cowl to air box and had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and
1160, not
> > willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box
knowing
> > this to be a hit or miss.
> > what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within
15
> > below cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still
excited
> > about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> >>
> >> test message
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> From: Richard Zgol <richard.zgol(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for sale
>
> Walt,=0A=0AJust got this jibberish from your email.=C2-
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> have for sale?=0A=0Amy email is
richard.zgol(at)yahoo.com=0A=0Arichard zgol
> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Walt Mendenhall ndw(at)onlinemac.com>=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent:
Thu, July 15,
> 2010 4:52:51 PM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for
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>
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> =EF=BD=C3=88=C3=C2=BE=C2=B36=B0=0A=0A=0A
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> I made up the filter spacer thinking no one would see it, don"t look
at
> the hole spacing.
> Didn"t get a chance to epoxy in the center plate -that I think is
the
> egt cure of the decade, giving smoother air into carb and in turn
having
> egts closer together
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Dave,
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words
> for the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into
> the airbox and having the air filter that close to the back of the
> airbox just had to be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I
think
> you are onto something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
> all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
> pm went
> up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
> had wot of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
> box and
> had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
> up rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
> miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about
> this
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh weather
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>
> Been watching the radar as was wondering if we were getting any rain
in
> Northern Mitchigan, managed a day out flying adding another 4
airfields
> to my logbook though. Makinac Island is a strange place, a real
touristy
> place with overpriced everything, floods of toursits off every
ferry,
> however peace and tranquility as soon as you get out of town. The
> airfield is fantastic but that's speaking as a Brit as most of the
US
> airfields are a world apart from what I'm used to. 1/2 walk from
town.
> They have a Fort though, built by the British!
>
> >From the Radar OSH looks to have had a bucket full of rain and
some,
> just stopped now after several hours. Hopefully Buz's head is still
> above water! Heard a few planes on the radio heading that way
diverting
> to delay their trips. Last night two Challenger UL Amphibians came
into
> St Ignace for fuel on their way to OSH. The guys were from Canada
and
> crusing at 60 mph, there's dedication for you. They won't be there
yet
> though, mainly cause of the rain.
>
> Just trying to figure where to head for tomorrow so I can get back
to
> Appleton Saturday avoiding the weather both days......
>
> Regards, Clive
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Thursday evening
>
> More rain today - lots of more rain. Started raining about 7 AM and
> didn't stop until about 4 PM. Many flooded roads in the camping area
and lots
>
> of tents sitting in about six inches of water. Some trailers and
motor
> homes up to their axles in mud. Aircraft parking areas are once
again
> unusable/closed. The Lightning booth looks OK and some display
aircraft, as well
>
> as other show planes arrived late yesterday but are parked on hard
surfaces,
> either on aero shell square or on the north side at one of the two
FBOs -
> either Basler or Orion. Also some flooded roads down town this
evening
> when we went dinner. Hope the weather allows the Lightning and Jab
guys to
> make it to OSH tomorrow. Last forecast I saw called for a 40 percent
chance
> of rain tomorrow. We need at least two days for things to really dry
out.
> Other than the grass aircraft parking areas, everything else seems
to be
> going together for the show to start on time.
> Hope to see many of you here.
> Bring your snorkel.
> Buz
>
>
&=================
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | OSH update, Friday, 23 July |
Friday morning, 23 July, 3 days until AirVenture 2010, the Worlds largest
boat show.
Unfortunately, it started raining about 30 minutes ago, so that isn't going
to help the aircraft parking situation. The major flooding we had
yesterday, see photo below, has mostly cleared up, but many mud holes and lots
of
stuck cars, trucks, trailers and motor homes. Just got back from a down
town trip, and the one piece of good news is that parts of the frontage
roads that were torn up are now fixed up. Still lots of one lane, muddy parts,
but not nearly as bad as a week ago. Progress continues on the AirVenture
grounds as far as setting up for the show, but the big concern now is
where to park the arriving aircraft. Well, no aircraft arriving at the moment,
but it is going to take some major drying before the grass aircraft
parking areas are usable. Bummer.
Hope to have better news later,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in spacer
works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo as to how it
moves the filter further away from the firewall? The rubber tube from air
box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to keep the air from being
too turbulent, but just don't understand how you moved the filter 1/2 in
further away from the firewall and still got it to fit in the air box. Did
you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and had wot
of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give up
rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Discher" <rick(at)trickair.com> |
| Subject: | OSH update, Friday, 23 July |
Hi Buss,
Waupaca airport is getting more populated then I have ever seen before.
Seems to be mostly Piper aircraft. Maybe arriving aircraft are using high
ground airports until the grounds dry out.
Rick Discher
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: OSH update, Friday, 23 July
Friday morning, 23 July, 3 days until AirVenture 2010, the Worlds largest
boat show.
Unfortunately, it started raining about 30 minutes ago, so that isn't going
to help the aircraft parking situation. The major flooding we had
yesterday, see photo below, has mostly cleared up, but many mud holes and
lots of stuck cars, trucks, trailers and motor homes. Just got back from a
down town trip, and the one piece of good news is that parts of the frontage
roads that were torn up are now fixed up. Still lots of one lane, muddy
parts, but not nearly as bad as a week ago. Progress continues on the
AirVenture grounds as far as setting up for the show, but the big concern
now is where to park the arriving aircraft. Well, no aircraft arriving at
the moment, but it is going to take some major drying before the grass
aircraft parking areas are usable. Bummer.
Hope to have better news later,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on
original air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air
box cover in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter
1/2 inch further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could
document all changes having same flight conditions. It is made from
stock alum. then drilled out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of
wood because it is not in intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the
filter thing I had no change in egts, egts changed only when I change to
air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I
wait and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in spacer
works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo as to
how it moves the filter further away from the firewall? The rubber tube
from air box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to keep the air
from being too turbulent, but just don't understand how you moved the
filter 1/2 in further away from the firewall and still got it to fit in
the air box. Did you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Disher" <pjdisher(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi Dave,
Excited as to what you have done, I have the same problem
controling the temp on No. 5 EGT only, where it can be up to 150 deg F
higher that the others.
Dave,. the plate you put into the outlet of the airbox, I presume is
about 3" long, does it extend the full inside dia. of the outlet pipe?
Good work Dave.
Pete Disher
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on
original air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air
box cover in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter
1/2 inch further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could
document all changes having same flight conditions. It is made from
stock alum. then drilled out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of
wood because it is not in intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the
filter thing I had no change in egts, egts changed only when I change to
air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I
wait and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in
spacer works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo
as to how it moves the filter further away from the firewall? The
rubber tube from air box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to
keep the air from being too turbulent, but just don't understand how you
moved the filter 1/2 in further away from the firewall and still got it
to fit in the air box. Did you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to
give up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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07/23/10 04:36:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Pete
You know when I put this "plate" in it was a total hit or miss thing, I
guessed at the length and most important direction. With direction of
airflow, I thought it best installed as I did, forward and aft. and yes
length is about 3.5 inches. If your going to play with this, have an
open mind, first try may not work
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Disher
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Hi Dave,
Excited as to what you have done, I have the same problem
controling the temp on No. 5 EGT only, where it can be up to 150 deg F
higher that the others.
Dave,. the plate you put into the outlet of the airbox, I presume is
about 3" long, does it extend the full inside dia. of the outlet pipe?
Good work Dave.
Pete Disher
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on
original air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air
box cover in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter
1/2 inch further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could
document all changes having same flight conditions. It is made from
stock alum. then drilled out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of
wood because it is not in intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the
filter thing I had no change in egts, egts changed only when I change to
air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I
wait and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in
spacer works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo
as to how it moves the filter further away from the firewall? The
rubber tube from air box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to
keep the air from being too turbulent, but just don't understand how you
moved the filter 1/2 in further away from the firewall and still got it
to fit in the air box. Did you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again
and had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to
air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to
give up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit
or miss.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: OSH update, Friday, 23 July |
In a message dated 7/23/2010 12:30:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rick(at)trickair.com writes:
Hi Buss,
Waupaca airport is getting more populated then I have ever seen before.
Seems to be mostly Piper aircraft. Maybe arriving aircraft are using high
ground airports until the grounds dry out.
Rick Discher
Hi Rick,
Not to be a stickler for details, but it's Buz (and I spell it with
only one Z; the Biblical spelling). And I have heard that what you are
suggesting about arriving aircraft stopping at outlying airports is exactly the
case. Based on the number of aircraft we have here now (maybe one tenth of
a normal year with only two days to go) they must be stopping somewhere
else. Unfortunately, we have more rain in the forecast for after midnight
tonight. Looking forward to seeing what you have developed for Trick Air
since last year.
Buz
PS: And right now you are probably wondering if there really is a Buz in
the Bible. Right?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Friday night update from OSH |
NEWS FLASH - like a Lightning flash. Team Lightning and Team Jabiru have
arrived at Oshkosh as of about 4 PM this afternoon. Pete sent a text
message when they were over Ripon on the OSH arrival procedure and I was able
to
meet them and help get their "jets" to their booths. So far there are two
Lightnings here, the new blue demo from SYI, and Max and Oleana's Florida
Flash. Dave Jalanti will be arriving later with his ELSA Lightning. Plans
now are for the Florida jet to be in the Lightning booth, and the blue
demo and Dave's jet in the Light Sport Mall. Hey, it is starting to feel more
like OSH with the Lightning team here.
No real aircraft movements today, still too wet in the grass aircraft
parking areas, but we have quite a line that are waiting for the OK. They have
allowed people to register and put up their camp sites, they just don't
have their airplanes at their camps yet. Hopefully soon. However, more rain
is forecast for after midnight tonight and about a 40% chance for more
tomorrow. Bummer.
Blue Skies - Please!
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Thanks, Dave. As to bringing your motor home, yes, I certainly would.
Only some areas are really bad, but some are OK, as I see some parked with no
problems at all. I have heard that the camping registration people were
taking people out on golf carts to look at potential spots, but I don't know
if that is for sure, or is they are still doing that. Hope to see you
soon.
Buz
In a message dated 7/23/2010 2:19:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on original
air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air box cover
in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter 1/2 inch
further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could document all
changes having same flight conditions. It is made from stock alum. then drilled
out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of wood because it is not in
intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the filter thing I had no change
in egts, egts changed only when I change to air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I wait
and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: _N1BZRich(at)aol.com_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in spacer
works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo as to how it
moves the filter further away from the firewall? The rubber tube from air
box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to keep the air from being
too turbulent, but just don't understand how you moved the filter 1/2 in
further away from the firewall and still got it to fit in the air box. Did
you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and had wot
of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give up
rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Sunday night - OSH AirVenture opens tomorrow |
Well, tomorrow is day one of AirVenture 2010 - finally. I saw Doug
Kayberg and Greg Crouchley today for a short time, then got busy on my "day
volunteer job". They were waiting on Ryan and Dean to fly in to put Greg's jet
in the Lightning booth. Dave Jalanti is also due to be here shortly in his
ELSA Lightning, but I haven't got an update of when he might actually
arrive. I think he may be having to deal with some of the weather that went
through this area. When all the dealer's Lightnings are in place, there will
be two in the Lightning booth and two in the Light Sport Mall.
As an update on the field conditions, nice sunny day today, so lots of
drying. The Homebuilt parking area and camping area are looking almost
normal. Warbird area is way down on aircraft as of this afternoon, but many
arriving while I was working in Vintage. In Vintage, we have maybe a fourth of
the total number that we would normally have, but some of the parking area
is still not open to arriving aircraft. The area where there are almost
no airplanes, is in the north forty. Most non show plane general aviation
aircraft have been told to land at outlying airports because of field
conditions here. Bummer, but expected to improve soon.
Many of the heavier drive in camping units like motor homes and bigger
trailers are actually in empty parking lots downtown. The old Wall Mart area
near the north forty is now an auxiliary EAA campground as is the old K
Mart parking area. No mud on the concrete parking lots. Even with those
auxiliary areas, the camping area here actually is looking almost normal (well,
except for the mud) - so I think maybe the drive in campers are here is
similar numbers to previous years. The vendor areas also look pretty normal.
There may not be too many more updates, as my schedule gets pretty full
with both daytime and evening activities throughout the show. One request -
when any of you see me, remind me to take some photos for the August
Lightning newsletter. This year has been so different that I have not taken
nearly as many photos as I normally do. HELP.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Visit-Monday |
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
It's 15 years since I was last there and was good to finally get back.
In the UK we have the PFA Rally and that got up to 2000 planes with an
airshow around 2001 but too grand an approach and I fear trying to
emulate OSH meant a bad weather year blew the finances, that was after
foot and mouth cancelled it which lost some momentum. It disappeared for
a while though is back for a second year on a small scale at the
airfield it started at this September. We'll be there, and here's
comment that makes me realise how old I am, some 47 years after the
first time I attended.
One thing I'd forgotten was the size of the airventure, the first thing
we did was take the the tram from the South end where we'd entered at
the Ultra Light Barn, all the way to the North as far as it goes. This
enabled us to get our bearings and then we spent the next several hours
making our way back stopping for lunch on the way with an 'EAA signature
special Sub' which I recommend. Then through all the stands to end up
free and clear for the airshow at 15.30.
As Buz said the muddy bits do seem to be drying out well though it is
still possible to mess your shoes up if your eyes are pointing skyward
as you walk. The opportunities are getting less and less. I suppose the
only bit missing was the amount of inbound GA aircraft although
throughout the day there was always something on the move. The air show
was good though no jets apart from a beat up by an arriving plane and
some T?s who were overhead late in the day. Highlight for was the T28s
in the sky with a group of DC3s. Some of the T28 pilots were in or hotel
in Sheboygan as they were based out there and we watched them practise
on Sunday. I can only imagine that the aerial activity will build up
though the week and I'm beginning to wish I'd pushed my luck with the
wife more and scheduled a few more days.
Lightning and Jabs look great on the stand, as an committed Jab fan I
was pleased to see how the styling of the Jab USA paint jobs really
improved the look of the slightly gimpy Jab silhouette that I've got
used to (and love).
The new Lightning Demo's paint styling and colour really is the best
yet, subtle class. My wife was impressed by the interior finish which
will also support a really good impression of the aircraft for those new
to it (first time I've ever seen one in the flesh).
The band at the end of the day was a nice way to finish though without
beer for a 'party' I do feel there's something missing, or more harshly,
what's the point?
I finished the day at the Ultralight strip where the circuits of the
planes were great to watch with a sunset backdrop.
Never did get to speak with anyone as I was keeping on the move to make
sure I got round everything. Hoping to get back again today for a more
leisurely walk round on my own, that is if I can pull it off....
Either way have a great show!
Regards, Clive
P.S. first planes we saw as we entered at the UL barn were the two
Challenger amphibians from Canada, the guys we met at Mackinac County
(St Ignace) on their way down last Wednesday.
They're heading off today (Tuesday) to miss the weather that's going to
get in their way to get home, had a chat with them last night, 4 days
down, 4 days at OSH and 4 days going back!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Wednesday morning about 6 AM local |
There is a light rain falling at the moment, but forecast is for it to stop
this morning and the afternoon should be dry. In fact, looking at the
next four days, there is no more rain in the forecast of OSH. Super.
As a reminder, today are two forums that you will want to attend. At 0830
Pete will be giving the Jabiru forum and at 1000, Nick will be giving the
Lightning forum. If you are here, be sure to attend these and show your
support. I plan to be at both and get some photos for the newsletter.
Our esteemed British Newsletter writer, Clive James, was at the show Monday
and Tuesday, but will be continuing his US adventure today as he heads to
Chicago and then DC before flying back to the UK. It was great to finally
meet him and Shirley after all these years. Jolly Good Chap! And
Chapette.
Even thought AirVenture got off to a somewhat wet start, once the show
started it has been a good show so far. Every time I have been by the
Lightning booth or the Light Sport Mall, I see lots of people looking at the
airplanes and asking questions. Crowds all around the event seem about the same
as previous years. I have only seen or heard of one major aircraft
accident, but at least in this one no fatalities. Yesterday evening around 7
PM
a Beech Jet had a hard landing and broke in half just forward of the
engines. From the registration, which looked like N6JR, it might be a Jack Roush
airplane.
Blue skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wednesday morning about 6 AM local |
| From: | Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> |
Unfortunately I am not at Oshkosh, but one update I can add is that the Beec
h jet was a Premier 1. Jack Roush at the helm and passenger was Brenda Stri
ckland. The jet broke in half around the tail section. Jack is in serious b
ut stable condition with some pretty bad lacerations to his face. Brenda ha
s non-life threatening injuries. Both came out under their own power. Stop
by the B17 Texas Raiders and say hello for me. I've recently become a memb
er of the Gulf Coast Wing that maintains her. If you could see what she loo
ked like 2-3 years ago with no wings, engines off, stored outside in the ele
ments with little hope of flying again to now flying and touring the country
you would be amazed. Thanks, Brian W.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:50 AM, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:
> There is a light rain falling at the moment, but forecast is for it to sto
p this morning and the afternoon should be dry. In fact, looking at the ne
xt four days, there is no more rain in the forecast of OSH. Super.
>
> As a reminder, today are two forums that you will want to attend. At 0830
Pete will be giving the Jabiru forum and at 1000, Nick will be giving the L
ightning forum. If you are here, be sure to attend these and show your supp
ort. I plan to be at both and get some photos for the newsletter.
>
> Our esteemed British Newsletter writer, Clive James, was at the show Monda
y and Tuesday, but will be continuing his US adventure today as he heads to C
hicago and then DC before flying back to the UK. It was great to finally me
et him and Shirley after all these years. Jolly Good Chap! And Chapette.
>
> Even thought AirVenture got off to a somewhat wet start, once the show sta
rted it has been a good show so far. Every time I have been by the Lightnin
g booth or the Light Sport Mall, I see lots of people looking at the airplan
es and asking questions. Crowds all around the event seem about the same as
previous years. I have only seen or heard of one major aircraft accident, b
ut at least in this one no fatalities. Yesterday evening around 7 PM a Beec
h Jet had a hard landing and broke in half just forward of the engines. =46rom
the registration, which looked like N6JR, it might be a Jack Roush airplane
.
>
> Blue skies,
> Buz
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 07/28/10 |
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From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Subject: Lightning-List: Wednesday morning about 6 AM local
There is a light rain falling at the moment, but forecast is for it to stop
this morning and the afternoon should be dry. In fact, looking at the
next four days, there is no more rain in the forecast of OSH. Super.
As a reminder, today are two forums that you will want to attend. At 0830
Pete will be giving the Jabiru forum and at 1000, Nick will be giving the
Lightning forum. If you are here, be sure to attend these and show your
support. I plan to be at both and get some photos for the newsletter.
Our esteemed British Newsletter writer, Clive James, was at the show Monday
and Tuesday, but will be continuing his US adventure today as he heads to
Chicago and then DC before flying back to the UK. It was great to finally
meet him and Shirley after all these years. Jolly Good Chap! And
Chapette.
Even thought AirVenture got off to a somewhat wet start, once the show
started it has been a good show so far. Every time I have been by the
Lightning booth or the Light Sport Mall, I see lots of people looking at the
airplanes and asking questions. Crowds all around the event seem about the
same
as previous years. I have only seen or heard of one major aircraft
accident, but at least in this one no fatalities. Yesterday evening around
7
PM
a Beech Jet had a hard landing and broke in half just forward of the
engines. From the registration, which looked like N6JR, it might be a Jack
Roush
airplane.
Blue skies,
Buz
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wednesday morning about 6 AM local
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Unfortunately I am not at Oshkosh, but one update I can add is that the Beec
h jet was a Premier 1. Jack Roush at the helm and passenger was Brenda Stri
ckland. The jet broke in half around the tail section. Jack is in serious
b
ut stable condition with some pretty bad lacerations to his face. Brenda ha
s non-life threatening injuries. Both came out under their own power. Stop
by the B17 Texas Raiders and say hello for me. I've recently become a memb
er of the Gulf Coast Wing that maintains her. If you could see what she loo
ked like 2-3 years ago with no wings, engines off, stored outside in the ele
ments with little hope of flying again to now flying and touring the country
you would be amazed. Thanks, Brian W.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:50 AM, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:
> There is a light rain falling at the moment, but forecast is for it to sto
p this morning and the afternoon should be dry. In fact, looking at the ne
xt four days, there is no more rain in the forecast of OSH. Super.
>
> As a reminder, today are two forums that you will want to attend. At 0830
Pete will be giving the Jabiru forum and at 1000, Nick will be giving the L
ightning forum. If you are here, be sure to attend these and show your supp
ort. I plan to be at both and get some photos for the newsletter.
>
> Our esteemed British Newsletter writer, Clive James, was at the show Monda
y and Tuesday, but will be continuing his US adventure today as he heads to
C
hicago and then DC before flying back to the UK. It was great to finally me
et him and Shirley after all these years. Jolly Good Chap! And Chapette.
>
> Even thought AirVenture got off to a somewhat wet start, once the show sta
rted it has been a good show so far. Every time I have been by the Lightnin
g booth or the Light Sport Mall, I see lots of people looking at the airplan
es and asking questions. Crowds all around the event seem about the same as
previous years. I have only seen or heard of one major aircraft accident,
b
ut at least in this one no fatalities. Yesterday evening around 7 PM a Beec
h Jet had a hard landing and broke in half just forward of the engines.
=46rom
the registration, which looked like N6JR, it might be a Jack Roush airplane
.
>
> Blue skies,
> Buz
>
>
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Tom,
You must go to the Matronics web site and remove yourself from the list. No one
here on the list can remove you from it.
Best regards.
Mark
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1. 04:51 AM - Wednesday morning about 6 AM local (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: Wednesday morning about 6 AM local (Brian
Whittingham)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Subject: Lightning-List: Wednesday morning about 6 AM local
There is a light rain falling at the moment, but forecast is for it to stop
this morning and the afternoon should be dry. In fact, looking at the
next four days, there is no more rain in the forecast of OSH. Super.
As a reminder, today are two forums that you will want to attend. At 0830
Pete will be giving the Jabiru forum and at 1000, Nick will be giving the
Lightning forum. If you are here, be sure to attend these and show your
support. I plan to be at both and get some photos for the newsletter.
Our esteemed British Newsletter writer, Clive James, was at the show Monday
and Tuesday, but will be continuing his US adventure today as he heads to
Chicago and then DC before flying back to the UK. It was great to finally
meet him and Shirley after all these years. Jolly Good Chap! And
Chapette.
Even thought AirVenture got off to a somewhat wet start, once the show
started it has been a good show so far. Every time I have been by the
Lightning booth or the Light Sport Mall, I see lots of people looking at the
airplanes and asking questions. Crowds all around the event seem about the
same
as previous years. I have only seen or heard of one major aircraft
accident, but at least in this one no fatalities. Yesterday evening around
7
PM
a Beech Jet had a hard landing and broke in half just forward of the
engines. From the registration, which looked like N6JR, it might be a Jack
Roush
airplane.
Blue skies,
Buz
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wednesday morning about 6 AM local
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Unfortunately I am not at Oshkosh, but one update I can add is that the Beec
h jet was a Premier 1. Jack Roush at the helm and passenger was Brenda Stri
ckland. The jet broke in half around the tail section. Jack is in serious
b
ut stable condition with some pretty bad lacerations to his face. Brenda ha
s non-life threatening injuries. Both came out under their own power. Stop
by the B17 Texas Raiders and say hello for me. I've recently become a memb
er of the Gulf Coast Wing that maintains her. If you could see what she loo
ked like 2-3 years ago with no wings, engines off, stored outside in the ele
ments with little hope of flying again to now flying and touring the country
you would be amazed. Thanks, Brian W.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:50 AM, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:
> There is a light rain falling at the moment, but forecast is for it to sto
p this morning and the afternoon should be dry. In fact, looking at the ne
xt four days, there is no more rain in the forecast of OSH. Super.
>
> As a reminder, today are two forums that you will want to attend. At 0830
Pete will be giving the Jabiru forum and at 1000, Nick will be giving the L
ightning forum. If you are here, be sure to attend these and show your supp
ort. I plan to be at both and get some photos for the newsletter.
>
> Our esteemed British Newsletter writer, Clive James, was at the show Monda
y and Tuesday, but will be continuing his US adventure today as he heads to
C
hicago and then DC before flying back to the UK. It was great to finally me
et him and Shirley after all these years. Jolly Good Chap! And Chapette.
>
> Even thought AirVenture got off to a somewhat wet start, once the show sta
rted it has been a good show so far. Every time I have been by the Lightnin
g booth or the Light Sport Mall, I see lots of people looking at the airplan
es and asking questions. Crowds all around the event seem about the same as
previous years. I have only seen or heard of one major aircraft accident,
b
ut at least in this one no fatalities. Yesterday evening around 7 PM a Beec
h Jet had a hard landing and broke in half just forward of the engines.
=46rom
the registration, which looked like N6JR, it might be a Jack Roush airplane
.
>
> Blue skies,
> Buz
>
>
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| From: | flykjk(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
Hello all. My yahoo e-mail adress:(flykjk(at)yahoo.com) is being closed effective
10 August, 2010. My new e-mail address is: flykjk(at)gmail.com. Please make the
change Sorry about the inconvenience, see you there! -Kent
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| From: | "robert keen" <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Lightning Elevator flutter |
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me the mass
balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
Thanks Smokey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Lightning Elevator flutter |
No. Did you experience this or just simply asking?
The prototype was mass balanced at first but when looking at light sport and
saving weight we removed the balances and retested. There was no evidence of
flutter.
We dive test every LSA Lightning to Vne, 180knts IAS ( 208mph) with proper
attempts to induce flutter with no issues. It is required by the ASTM on
every aircraft.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert keen
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:06 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me the mass
balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
Thanks Smokey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
Allan Maxwell yes call me at 504-813-8134 dont type much
--- On Thu, 8/5/10, robert keen wrote:
From: robert keen <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 3:06 AM
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter?- Can anyone tell me the m
ass balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
Thanks Smokey
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Lightning Elevator flutter |
Allan's is an esqual.different elevator and control design.
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Maxwell
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Allan Maxwell yes call me at 504-813-8134 dont type much
--- On Thu, 8/5/10, robert keen wrote:
From: robert keen <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 3:06 AM
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me the mass
balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
Thanks Smokey
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| From: | "robert keen" <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Lightning Elevator flutter |
Nick,
I have experienced elevator flutter twice at around 140 knots indicated. I
was told by the Australian agent Dennis, that it would be a loose tape under
the wing.
I have not yet retaped the wing joint yet, but I would like the Mass Balance
figures so I can check the elevator myself.
Can you send me the info please? I will keep you posted on what I find.
Also do you have the mass balance figures for the ailerons?
Should the Lightning have bungie cords on the elevator pushrod to hold some
weight?
Thanks Smokey.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
No. Did you experience this or just simply asking?
The prototype was mass balanced at first but when looking at light sport and
saving weight we removed the balances and retested. There was no evidence of
flutter.
We dive test every LSA Lightning to Vne, 180knts IAS ( 208mph) with proper
attempts to induce flutter with no issues. It is required by the ASTM on
every aircraft.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert keen
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:06 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me the mass
balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
Thanks Smokey
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| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | hackman mixture unit |
I have recently installed the Hackman Mixture control in my Lightning
and it seems to work as advertized. At cruse at altitude its save about
a half gallon an hour as indicated by the flow meter. I would like to
know who else is using this device and what experiences, precautions,
etc. that others have found. Thanks TEX
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| Subject: | Re: hackman mixture unit |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
I love it as well, but it does work differently from a conventional mixture control
on a lycoming/continental.
By that, I mean it is dependent on power setting. In a lycoming, if you are properly
leaned at altitude you can make power changes and the engine will continue
to run. Not so the Jabiru/Hacman combo.
If you increase the power you will immediately be running too rich. If you decrease
it, too lean. Decrease it too much and the engine stops.
There were a few times that I leaned at a low altitude when I first had the unit,
then forgot about it in the pattern because I was not used to having the mixture
control as part of my landing checklist. When I reduced the power on downwind
the engine quit!
I'm embarassed to say I performed this self-induced increase in blood pressure
a second time before I finally integrated the use of the control.
So don't forget it's there, and if you pull back the power at altitude for any
reason, don't be shocked if the engine wants to quit. I've done that a time or
two as well, just pulled back the power quickly when encountering some heavy
turbulence and it caught me off guard when the engine started stumbling.
I'm going to take my younger daughter to L.A. tomorrow for some father/daughter
time. I'll take the O2 and will come back at 15-17k weather permitting. Who
knows, maybe tailwilnds and Hacman will let me fly nonstop back to Dallas. :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307991#307991
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Perhaps I'm poorly educated on the subject, but I thought in most cases of control
flutter the time between onset and airframe failure was less than it takes
to say "hey what is that?"
I'm sure it's possible to have an episode of flutter, and even more likely to have
some buzz that would precede flutter, and live to tell about it, but it seems
very unlikely.
When I was testing 7RW I eventually worked my way to 200knots true with autopilot
off and hands off the controls so the inertia of the system was as little as
it could be. I did stick slaps at 190knots true and saw the system return to
equilibrium at the same rate it had at every other speed up until that point.
That was enough to make me feel okay with the speeds at which I would be operating.
I hope that the results of this inquiry are shared on the list. I'm not concerned
for 7RW but would like to find out what is learned in this situation.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307994#307994
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
Hi Smokey,
I don't want to totally disagree with your flutter assessment, but I
kind of doubt that what you felt was true elevator flutter. Here is why -
Many other Lightning builders, during the 40 hour phase one test period, have
flown their Lightnings to Vne without any hint of flutter. And in the
case of the prototype, Nick and I have flown it to well beyond the published
Vne in several different stabilizer/elevator configurations. First, with
the full aerodynamic and dynamic counter balance, they with a lesser modified
configuration (not as large an aerodynamic counterbalance), and finally
with no aerodynamic counter balance at all. In each case, absolutely no
flutter, or to be more specific not even any indication of flutter. So if your
airplane is having a problem, something may be different about your
airplane. But lets not totally rule it out yet until we know more from you.
So can you give us some more information to go on? For example, you
said it happened twice at about 140 knots indicated. Was that the first two
times you had your Lighting to 140 knots? Or has it been beyond that
before with no problems on other occasions? When it happened, what did you
feel (or see) to make you think elevator flutter? Was the stick moving? If
so, could you freeze the stick with hand pressure? What did you do to case
what ever was happening to stop happening? Did it stop immediately whey
you did that? How much flying time on your airplane? Have you checked the
elevator control system to see if there is excess slop in the system? Is
anything looser now than before? I have seen at least one case where some rod
end bearings developed some slop and the extra slop did cause some minor
aileron buzz but no real buffet. Do you have the modification with the
elevator trim tab? If so has that tab been there all along? And if so, how is
the hinge for the tab? Has it loosened up? Sorry for all the questions,
but these kind of things will help diagnose the problem and come up with a
fix.
As Dennis hinted at, with no tape between the wing and the fuselage
karman, you will probably have a higher stall speed and some strange buffet
feelings, but it is not flutter. So you might want to check that area.
Other than the above, I can offer no other suggestions until we hear
more from you. Nick will certainly jump in here when he see this on Monday
morning. Rest assured that the Lightning is one of the more thoroughly
tested designs out there. It is way stronger and thus safer than it has to
be, but that is the basic design philosophy that Arion goes by - better than
the others.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 8/8/2010 6:15:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com writes:
Nick,
I have experienced elevator flutter twice at around 140 knots indicated.
I was told by the Australian agent Dennis, that it would be a loose tape
under the wing.
I have not yet retaped the wing joint yet, but I would like the Mass
Balance figures so I can check the elevator myself.
Can you send me the info please? I will keep you posted on what I find.
Also do you have the mass balance figures for the ailerons?
Should the Lightning have bungie cords on the elevator pushrod to hold
some weight?
Thanks Smokey.
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
No. Did you experience this or just simply asking?
The prototype was mass balanced at first but when looking at light sport
and saving weight we removed the balances and retested. There was no
evidence of flutter.
We dive test every LSA Lightning to Vne, 180knts IAS ( 208mph) with proper
attempts to induce flutter with no issues. It is required by the ASTM on
every aircraft.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me the
mass balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | hackman mixture unit |
Only to remember to screw it back in when you come down.done that once or
twice engine doesn't like the lack of fuel!
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 6:48 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: hackman mixture unit
I have recently installed the Hackman Mixture control in my Lightning and it
seems to work as advertized. At cruse at altitude its save about a half
gallon an hour as indicated by the flow meter. I would like to know who
else is using this device and what experiences, precautions, etc. that
others have found. Thanks TEX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
Smokey
I have an Esqual, installed gap seals, had stick "shimmy" thinking it to
be "flutter". Removed gap seals and all is good, this was happening at
135 to 140.
My question, do you have gap seals on?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: robert keen
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Nick,
I have experienced elevator flutter twice at around 140 knots
indicated. I was told by the Australian agent Dennis, that it would be
a loose tape under the wing.
I have not yet retaped the wing joint yet, but I would like the Mass
Balance figures so I can check the elevator myself.
Can you send me the info please? I will keep you posted on what I
find. Also do you have the mass balance figures for the ailerons?
Should the Lightning have bungie cords on the elevator pushrod to hold
some weight?
Thanks Smokey.
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:06 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
No. Did you experience this or just simply asking?
The prototype was mass balanced at first but when looking at light
sport and saving weight we removed the balances and retested. There was
no evidence of flutter.
We dive test every LSA Lightning to Vne, 180knts IAS ( 208mph) with
proper attempts to induce flutter with no issues. It is required by the
ASTM on every aircraft.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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keen
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Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me
the mass balance limits of the lightning control surfaces?
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/08/10 |
| From: | "..." <avn100(at)AOL.COM> |
Nick and Buz,
I'm liking the Aussie tape explanation for Smokey's perceived elevator
flutter.
Went roaring out of PHX solo in a turbo 310 doing its post-annual test
flight years back... in a year the 400 series were regularly shedding
empennage (turned out they needed trim tabs on *both* elevators, not just
one). As I pushed over and accelerated toward 200 at cleared altitude, yoke
became a thrashing blur and tailcone a buzzing megaphone. Pulled power and
declared Big M rolling into the 180, getting the always welcome "cleared to
land any runway any taxiway". Vibrations slowed in frequency and lessened in
amplitude during the fully controlled turn and slow descent but remained
perceptible into flare... which began with crash truck guys roaring
alongside pointing and laughing at something I couldn't see from left seat.
A long slender (like six feet by inches) starboard dorsal wing root
aluminum fairing (engineered to reduce interference drag between wing and
fuselage slab side) had peeled back and distorted airflow, I guess
undulating same. It had been put back in place by one guy before lunch who
inserted dozens of screws but hadn't finished torquing all down and didn't
flag it. Chief glanced at area during lunch and signed and handed me the
airplane. I poked and prodded the usual suspects, glanced there, and flew.
Oops. Have brought along the Swiss Army or other multitool since... to
positively check and not just eyeball shyte like that at times like that.
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | August Lightning Newsletter |
All,
The August 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter (the annual Oshkosh
photo coverage issue) is now posted on two of the websites that carry our
newsletters. At the moment, you can find this issue of the Lightning
Newsletter as well as all past issues at:
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
Hopefully it will soon be posted on the Arion Lightning site, but as of
just now when I checked, it had not been posted yet. Eventually, you will
also be able to read it at:
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
Obviously this issue is a little late because of the Oshkosh schedule and
to give me a chance to include all the AirVenture coverage.
Featured in this issue, other than all the Oshkosh coverage, is Dave
Jalanti's Lightning of the Month as well as part two of Dave's great write up
building the very first ELSA Lightning.
As always, I am requesting both future articles for the newsletter as well
as feedback on how the newsletter is doing. I depend on you for content,
article suggestions, and on your comments for improvement. That is why I
am always pleading for your feedback and comments. So PLEASE!
Blue Skies and happy flying,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: August Lightning Newsletter |
another great job, Buz
Lynn
In a message dated 8/10/2010 12:01:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
All,
The August 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter (the annual Oshkosh
photo coverage issue) is now posted on two of the websites that carry our
newsletters. At the moment, you can find this issue of the Lightning
Newsletter as well as all past issues at:
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
Hopefully it will soon be posted on the Arion Lightning site, but as of
just now when I checked, it had not been posted yet. Eventually, you will
also be able to read it at:
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
Obviously this issue is a little late because of the Oshkosh schedule and
to give me a chance to include all the AirVenture coverage.
Featured in this issue, other than all the Oshkosh coverage, is Dave
Jalanti's Lightning of the Month as well as part two of Dave's great write up
building the very first ELSA Lightning.
As always, I am requesting both future articles for the newsletter as well
as feedback on how the newsletter is doing. I depend on you for content,
article suggestions, and on your comments for improvement. That is why I
am always pleading for your feedback and comments. So PLEASE!
Blue Skies and happy flying,
Buz Rich
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| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Shame I missed the two flying suits.....
But here's one I didn't....
Regards, Clive
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
And an excellent flying suit it is!
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, James, Clive R wrote:
From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Top job Buz
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 3:53 PM
=0A=0A =0AShame I missed the two flying =0Asuits.....=0A-=0ABut here's on
e =0AI didn't....=0A-=0ARegards, =0AClive
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| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Buz mentioned zips, all guys know the only way to remove such a flying
suit is with your teeth.....
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: 10 August 2010 22:41
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Top job Buz
And an excellent flying suit it is!
Bernardo Melendez
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From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Top job Buz
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 3:53 PM
Shame I missed the two flying suits.....
But here's one I didn't....
Regards, Clive
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| From: | "robert keen" <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Lightning Elevator flutter |
Yes I am sure you are correct I am currently removing gap seal and retaping
wing roots, I am sure it will fix the problem. This is the only change to
the aircraft from new.
Cheers Smokey
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Smokey
I have an Esqual, installed gap seals, had stick "shimmy" thinking it to be
"flutter". Removed gap seals and all is good, this was happening at 135 to
140.
My question, do you have gap seals on?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: robert keen <mailto:smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Nick,
I have experienced elevator flutter twice at around 140 knots indicated. I
was told by the Australian agent Dennis, that it would be a loose tape under
the wing.
I have not yet retaped the wing joint yet, but I would like the Mass Balance
figures so I can check the elevator myself.
Can you send me the info please? I will keep you posted on what I find.
Also do you have the mass balance figures for the ailerons?
Should the Lightning have bungie cords on the elevator pushrod to hold some
weight?
Thanks Smokey.
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
No. Did you experience this or just simply asking?
The prototype was mass balanced at first but when looking at light sport and
saving weight we removed the balances and retested. There was no evidence of
flutter.
We dive test every LSA Lightning to Vne, 180knts IAS ( 208mph) with proper
attempts to induce flutter with no issues. It is required by the ASTM on
every aircraft.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
_____
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Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Has anyone had a problem with elevator flutter? Can anyone tell me the mass
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| From: | "robert keen" <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Lightning Elevator flutter |
All is in good condition and I think it is the gap seal on the elevator,
will know soon. When I experienced the flutter like symptoms it was not
possible to hold the elevator from moving up and down, it ceased as soon as
I slowed a few knots and It only lasted a couple of seconds as I was
increasing speed slowly at the time.
Cheers Smokey
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, 9 August 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
Hi Smokey,
I don't want to totally disagree with your flutter assessment, but I
kind of doubt that what you felt was true elevator flutter. Here is why -
Many other Lightning builders, during the 40 hour phase one test period,
have flown their Lightnings to Vne without any hint of flutter. And in the
case of the prototype, Nick and I have flown it to well beyond the published
Vne in several different stabilizer/elevator configurations. First, with
the full aerodynamic and dynamic counter balance, they with a lesser
modified configuration (not as large an aerodynamic counterbalance), and
finally with no aerodynamic counter balance at all. In each case,
absolutely no flutter, or to be more specific not even any indication of
flutter. So if your airplane is having a problem, something may be
different about your airplane. But lets not totally rule it out yet until
we know more from you.
So can you give us some more information to go on? For example, you
said it happened twice at about 140 knots indicated. Was that the first two
times you had your Lighting to 140 knots? Or has it been beyond that before
with no problems on other occasions? When it happened, what did you feel
(or see) to make you think elevator flutter? Was the stick moving? If so,
could you freeze the stick with hand pressure? What did you do to case what
ever was happening to stop happening? Did it stop immediately whey you did
that? How much flying time on your airplane? Have you checked the elevator
control system to see if there is excess slop in the system? Is anything
looser now than before? I have seen at least one case where some rod end
bearings developed some slop and the extra slop did cause some minor aileron
buzz but no real buffet. Do you have the modification with the elevator
trim tab? If so has that tab been there all along? And if so, how is the
hinge for the tab? Has it loosened up? Sorry for all the questions, but
these kind of things will help diagnose the problem and come up with a fix.
As Dennis hinted at, with no tape between the wing and the fuselage
karman, you will probably have a higher stall speed and some strange buffet
feelings, but it is not flutter. So you might want to check that area.
Other than the above, I can offer no other suggestions until we hear
more from you. Nick will certainly jump in here when he see this on Monday
morning. Rest assured that the Lightning is one of the more thoroughly
tested designs out there. It is way stronger and thus safer than it has to
be, but that is the basic design philosophy that Arion goes by - better than
the others.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 8/8/2010 6:15:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com writes:
Nick,
I have experienced elevator flutter twice at around 140 knots indicated. I
was told by the Australian agent Dennis, that it would be a loose tape under
the wing.
I have not yet retaped the wing joint yet, but I would like the Mass Balance
figures so I can check the elevator myself.
Can you send me the info please? I will keep you posted on what I find.
Also do you have the mass balance figures for the ailerons?
Should the Lightning have bungie cords on the elevator pushrod to hold some
weight?
Thanks Smokey.
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
No. Did you experience this or just simply asking?
The prototype was mass balanced at first but when looking at light sport and
saving weight we removed the balances and retested. There was no evidence of
flutter.
We dive test every LSA Lightning to Vne, 180knts IAS ( 208mph) with proper
attempts to induce flutter with no issues. It is required by the ASTM on
every aircraft.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
_____
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Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Elevator flutter
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Latest newsletter |
Buz,
Once again a great newsletter this month. As an update Ricks lightning has
flown and seems to be doing well, only comments are its alot different than
his Maule! But in a good way. Not sure what number we have here but Mark the
"potentate of numbers" and other things can tell us.
As an update on the new top secret homebuilt project going on here we are 9
weeks along and should be completed in time for Sun n Fun!
Nick
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
| From: | "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au> |
Hi Smokey,
Interested to hear your experiences, I hope to be flying in about a week so I have
all this to look forward to.
What type of gap elevator gap seal did you have on, just tape along the hinge line?
And, does anyone care to speculate on why gap seals would promote flutter
(or whatever it was that was going on)?
Buzz, in relation to your comment about some rod end fittings developing free play,
as I'm sure others have noticed, some of them come out of the packet with
free play built in. Is there any good data on the allowable free play in the
control circuits, especially the ailerons?
smokeysmail(at)bigpond.co wrote:
> All is in good condition and I think it is the gap seal on the elevator, will
know soon. When I experienced the flutter like symptoms it was not possible to
hold the elevator from moving up and down, it ceased as soon as I slowed a few
knots and It only lasted a couple of seconds as I was increasing speed slowly
at the time.
> Cheers Smokey
>
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
Selwyn
Good luck on that upcoming first flight. Hopefully you will send us
all an announcement and some photos for the newsletter.
As to your question about rod end free play, I am not aware of the
allowable free play limit for any "go" or "no go" decision on using them out
of the box. I suspect that the problem was just a batch that all had the
upped limit, what ever that is. The aileron control design has three rod
ends in close proximity at the aileron bell crank and aileron control horn.
In the case that I was talking about, with three that close together, it
allowed the trailing edge of the aileron to be moved almost a half inch up and
down when the stick was held in the center position. This movement was
more than I had seen on other Lightnings or Esqual. Being this loose
allowed the ailerons to "buzz" up and down in some flight situations. Initially
we solved the "buzzing" by reflexing each aileron up slightly which put an
air load on them and prevented the "buzz", but the real fix was replacing
the rod ends with new ones. I suspect that the aileron "buzzing" in flight
caused the rod ends to loosen up even more than they initially had been.
Hope this helps.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 8/13/2010 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "selwyn"
Hi Smokey,
Interested to hear your experiences, I hope to be flying in about a week
so I have all this to look forward to.
What type of gap elevator gap seal did you have on, just tape along the
hinge line? And, does anyone care to speculate on why gap seals would
promote flutter (or whatever it was that was going on)?
Buzz, in relation to your comment about some rod end fittings developing
free play, as I'm sure others have noticed, some of them come out of the
packet with free play built in. Is there any good data on the allowable free
play in the control circuits, especially the ailerons?
smokeysmail(at)bigpond.co wrote:
> All is in good condition and I think it is the gap seal on the elevator,
will know soon. When I experienced the flutter like symptoms it was not
possible to hold the elevator from moving up and down, it ceased as soon as I
slowed a few knots and It only lasted a couple of seconds as I was
increasing speed slowly at the time.
> Cheers Smokey
>
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
| From: | "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au> |
Hi Buzz,
Yeah, the aileron circuit is the critical one because of the short lever arm and
the number of bearings. I was more thinking of allowable backlash at the trailing
edge of the aileron rather than that in the individual bearings. I certainly
don't have anything like a half inch but there is some and I was looking
for some information on acceptable limits.
Just at the moment I have two things on my to do list so the day must be getting
close. I'm aiming for C of A inspection on Thursday.
The gap seal issue also continues to intrigue me.
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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| Subject: | Lightning Economy |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
First, the big advantage to planning a trip in your own plane versus going commercial:
Two days before you're going to the Bahamas with your younger daughter, she says
she'd rather go to L.A. You reply "No problem" and start planning a new route.
Maybe plan a flyover of the meteor crater near Winslow. Stop at Sedona for
lunch...
The day before you're going to leave for L.A. she says she'd rather go see her
grandparents and then her uncle. Hmmm. "No problem" once again and back into
flight planning mode.
The Night before you leave she asks to stop somewhere interesting for lunch before
the grandparents. As always, "No problem!"
So the Bahamas are out, L.A. is out, and the grandparents are notified. But the
uncle is having surgery, so she requests somewhere "Like Taos, or Angel Fire."
I'm so glad I didn't buy tickets! Commercial flying just doesn't work for fickle
girls.
We went to Fredericksburg first, and had lunch and went to the Nimitz museum.
If you're into museums and have a couple of days to spare, go check out it in
Fredericksburg, Texas. You really need more than a day to do it justice!
Then on to the parents for two nights, followed by a great flight out to Santa
Fe, NM. Here's the whole route:
http://tfrcheck.com/Default.aspx?tabid=147&Route=TKI-HQZ-T82-3R9-SAF-TKI
Now, for the economy: We covered 1275 nm. We burned less than 50 gallons of
fuel! I typically flew at 125 knots and less than 5 gph.
Now THAT is economical and it's nice to take a 560 mile leg and land with more
than 2 hours of fuel in the tanks!
It's not perfect yet, but I LOVE my Lightning. And Katie didn't seem to mind spending
about 10 hours in it either!
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Economy |
Bill, (and the group)
Sounds like you had fun; other things about flying in your own plane vs co
mmercial. 1. You are the pilot and 2, you are flying first class
(especially in the Lightning!!) , and 3, you can take more the 3 oz of liq
uids...
BTW, an update on my shimmy problem. I am now VERY intimate with my tire
s, tubes, brakes, brake pads (popping off the rivets and riveting new ones
on), rotors, wheels, wheel bearings, wheel bearing grease, integrated whe
el bereings, safety wire, Matco service bulletins, bolts and torque values
, dyna beads, regular wheel balancing. Not to mention the intimacy with
the controllers here at KPIE as I've probably have more high speed taxi
time than air time in the last 6 weeks....
So what caused the shimmy? Pick one....
After all new wheels, new brake pads, news tires (6-ply), new tubs and man
ual balancing, I don't have any shimmy....so like I said pick one.
However, It's been a good education though and it is why we build in the
first place...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:27 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Economy
First, the big advantage to planning a trip in your own plane versus going
ommercial:
Two days before you're going to the Bahamas with your younger daughter, sh
e says
he'd rather go to L.A. You reply "No problem" and start planning a new ro
ute.
aybe plan a flyover of the meteor crater near Winslow. Stop at Sedona for
unch...
The day before you're going to leave for L.A. she says she'd rather go see
her
randparents and then her uncle. Hmmm. "No problem" once again and back
into
light planning mode.
The Night before you leave she asks to stop somewhere interesting for lunc
h
efore the grandparents. As always, "No problem!"
So the Bahamas are out, L.A. is out, and the grandparents are notified.
But the
ncle is having surgery, so she requests somewhere "Like Taos, or Angel Fir
e."
I'm so glad I didn't buy tickets! Commercial flying just doesn't work for
ickle girls.
We went to Fredericksburg first, and had lunch and went to the Nimitz muse
um.
f you're into museums and have a couple of days to spare, go check out it
in
redericksburg, Texas. You really need more than a day to do it justice!
Then on to the parents for two nights, followed by a great flight out to
Santa
e, NM. Here's the whole route:
http://tfrcheck.com/Default.aspx?tabid=147&Route=TKI-HQZ-T82-3R9-SAF-T
KI
Now, for the economy: We covered 1275 nm. We burned less than 50 gallon
s of
uel! I typically flew at 125 knots and less than 5 gph.
Now THAT is economical and it's nice to take a 560 mile leg and land with
more
han 2 hours of fuel in the tanks!
It's not perfect yet, but I LOVE my Lightning. And Katie didn't seem to
mind
pending about 10 hours in it either!
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Economy |
Great thoughts, Bill, and I agree with Bear that you are right on. If you
happen to have any photos of your trip, I am sure the newsletter readers
would like to see them.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 8/16/2010 8:28:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan"
First, the big advantage to planning a trip in your own plane versus going
commercial:
Two days before you're going to the Bahamas with your younger daughter,
she says she'd rather go to L.A. You reply "No problem" and start planning a
new route. Maybe plan a flyover of the meteor crater near Winslow. Stop
at Sedona for lunch...
The day before you're going to leave for L.A. she says she'd rather go see
her grandparents and then her uncle. Hmmm. "No problem" once again and
back into flight planning mode.
The Night before you leave she asks to stop somewhere interesting for
lunch before the grandparents. As always, "No problem!"
So the Bahamas are out, L.A. is out, and the grandparents are notified.
But the uncle is having surgery, so she requests somewhere "Like Taos, or
Angel Fire."
I'm so glad I didn't buy tickets! Commercial flying just doesn't work for
fickle girls.
We went to Fredericksburg first, and had lunch and went to the Nimitz
museum. If you're into museums and have a couple of days to spare, go check
out it in Fredericksburg, Texas. You really need more than a day to do it
justice!
Then on to the parents for two nights, followed by a great flight out to
Santa Fe, NM. Here's the whole route:
http://tfrcheck.com/Default.aspx?tabid=147&Route=TKI-HQZ-T82-3R9-SAF-TKI
Now, for the economy: We covered 1275 nm. We burned less than 50
gallons of fuel! I typically flew at 125 knots and less than 5 gph.
Now THAT is economical and it's nice to take a 560 mile leg and land with
more than 2 hours of fuel in the tanks!
It's not perfect yet, but I LOVE my Lightning. And Katie didn't seem to
mind spending about 10 hours in it either!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309043#309043
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| From: | "robert keen" <smokeysmail(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Elevator flutter |
The sealing tape was placed over the top and stuck to both surfaces, with a
mylar seal on the bottom. See how it goes.
The rod end play is also an issue on this lightning when it gets a little
bumpy the ailerons move up and down.
The rod ends have too much play , not wear. I will replace them and that
will cure the problem there.
Cheers Smokey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning Elevator flutter
Hi Smokey,
Interested to hear your experiences, I hope to be flying in about a week so
I have all this to look forward to.
What type of gap elevator gap seal did you have on, just tape along the
hinge line? And, does anyone care to speculate on why gap seals would
promote flutter (or whatever it was that was going on)?
Buzz, in relation to your comment about some rod end fittings developing
free play, as I'm sure others have noticed, some of them come out of the
packet with free play built in. Is there any good data on the allowable
free play in the control circuits, especially the ailerons?
smokeysmail(at)bigpond.co wrote:
> All is in good condition and I think it is the gap seal on the elevator,
will know soon. When I experienced the flutter like symptoms it was not
possible to hold the elevator from moving up and down, it ceased as soon as
I slowed a few knots and It only lasted a couple of seconds as I was
increasing speed slowly at the time.
> Cheers Smokey
>
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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18:25:00
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Economy |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Sorry, no pictures of the flight or with the plane. Sounds crazy, but we just
didn't concern ourselves with any of that. We just had fun and did whatever we
happened to think to do.
Once I get a few more things done on the plane and have perhaps 100 hours on the
engine, I'll take it from Dallas via New Orleans to Cancun and I will thoroughly
document that flight because it will be cool. I'll try to talk some other
Lightning owners into going with me, and having a little Mexican adventure from
Cancun to Playa del Carmen and Tulum.
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| From: | Jim Logajan <JamesL(at)Lugoj.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Economy |
I see a lot of videos on the net showing the kind of visibility one gets from
cockpits of various aircraft. The most useful are those where the person
occasionally pans the camera to give an idea of how much, and where, wings and
supports obstruct visibility in flight and while taxiing. Has anyone done any
such videos, or still photos, from inside Lightnings?
Jim
Bill Strahan wrote:
>
> Sorry, no pictures of the flight or with the plane. Sounds crazy, but we
> just didn't concern ourselves with any of that. We just had fun and did
> whatever we happened to think to do.
>
> Once I get a few more things done on the plane and have perhaps 100 hours on
> the engine, I'll take it from Dallas via New Orleans to Cancun and I will
> thoroughly document that flight because it will be cool. I'll try to talk
> some other Lightning owners into going with me, and having a little Mexican
> adventure from Cancun to Playa del Carmen and Tulum.
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| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Nick, are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us
some phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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| From: | Brian Proett <bproett(at)hotmail.com> |
Nick - Can you provide me with a few details. I have a business trip to Ho
uston the first week of Oct and I am considering dropping by if the timing
and logistics are not too difficult. I would need to catch a flight to Hou
ston on Sunday the 3rd but I could be there all day Saturday and maybe get
that long awaited demo ride.
Brian Proett
From: wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Lightning-List: motels =2C etc
Date: Wed=2C 18 Aug 2010 21:15:47 -0400
Nick=2C are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us some
phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Tex and All,
I will get some numbers for you guys. The Country hearth is nice in town,
not the cheapest but closest to stuff in town. Also we have a Super 8 and a
Days inn I think. Will get the numbers for you.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: motels , etc
Nick, are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us some
phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Brian,
That is our Fly-in week end and work out perfect.. What details do you need.
nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Proett
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:43 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Lightning-List: motels , etc
Nick - Can you provide me with a few details. I have a business trip to
Houston the first week of Oct and I am considering dropping by if the timing
and logistics are not too difficult. I would need to catch a flight to
Houston on Sunday the 3rd but I could be there all day Saturday and maybe
get that long awaited demo ride.
Brian Proett
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From: wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Lightning-List: motels , etc
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:15:47 -0400
Nick, are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us some
phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: motels , etc |
In a message dated 8/19/2010 9:03:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
Tex and All,
I will get some numbers for you guys. The Country hearth is nice in town,
not the cheapest but closest to stuff in town. Also we have a Super 8 and a
Days inn I think. Will get the numbers for you.
Nick
Nick,
Suggest that you include the Knight's Inn and Ramada in Murphreesboro. They
have been the cheapest around and the rooms are OK.
Earl
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| Subject: | Re: motels , etc |
| From: | "J Dupont" <playgoldg(at)hotmail.com> |
If staying for a full week the Crestwood Suites-Murfreesboro has a weekly rate
of less than $250. It includes a kitchen, free internet and long distance calls.
I stayed there last december and the room was clean and quiet.
http://www.crestwoodsuites.com/property.php?p=murfreesboro
Janin
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Re: motels , etc |
Janin,
How is Canada? Are you flying?
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Dupont
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: motels , etc
If staying for a full week the Crestwood Suites-Murfreesboro has a weekly rate
of less than $250. It includes a kitchen, free internet and long distance calls.
I stayed there last december and the room was clean and quiet.
http://www.crestwoodsuites.com/property.php?p=murfreesboro
Janin
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| Subject: | Re: motels , etc |
| From: | "J Dupont" <playgoldg(at)hotmail.com> |
info(at)flylightning.net wrote:
> Janin,
>
> How is Canada? Are you flying?
>
> Nick
>
> --
I'm flying 3-4 times a week and I now fly the Lightning just as well as I used
to fly my Cessna 150.
Yesterday I went practicing touch and goes with crosswinds of 10 G 15. The lightning
is much more stable in turbulence than what I used to fly. It is also
much more responsive, so when I stopped over-correcting it all became quite easy.
I am very happy with this great airplane,
Janin
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| From: | "Jim C" <vjc(at)powerc.net> |
Hi, I'm looking for a set of brackets that attach the wheel pant to the main gear
axle assembly. Specifically, I need the set for the left (pilot side) wheel.
I could probably fabricate a replacement, but I'm hoping that some of you Equal
owners who have converted to Lightning parts, may have these sitting in the hangar,
collecting dust.
If you have these, and/or any other Equal parts that you have no use for, please
contact me. I hope to keep my Esqual, serial#51, as stock as possible, for as
long as possible. Thanks.
Jim
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| From: | Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/20/10 |
> Date: Fri=2C 20 Aug 2010 23:56:44 -0700
> From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com
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> Hi Jim=2C I have to look at my serial #=2C but I think that It is 49.
I want my Esqual to be as Lightning as possible for safety reasons. I hav
e Lightning wheels and brakes (MATCO) but I havn't yet put my wheel pants b
ack on. So=2C I'm in the same position that you are. I'll eventually get
around to the wheel pant mount but it will be a month or 2 min. I hope tha
t you have the LIghtning rudder pedals and flute tubes. The Esqual people
must have been drinking when they designed that abortion......Calm winds to
you and all. As always=2C thank you Buz for all you do...Jay Schmitt
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> Subject: Lightning-List: ESQUAL PARTS
> From: "Jim C" <vjc(at)powerc.net>
>
>
> Hi=2C I'm looking for a set of brackets that attach the wheel pant to the
main gear
> axle assembly. Specifically=2C I need the set for the left (pilot side) w
heel.
>
> I could probably fabricate a replacement=2C but I'm hoping that some of y
ou Equal
> owners who have converted to Lightning parts=2C may have these sitting in
the hangar=2C
> collecting dust.
>
> If you have these=2C and/or any other Equal parts that you have no use fo
r=2C please
> contact me. I hope to keep my Esqual=2C serial#51=2C as stock as possible
=2C for as
> long as possible. Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
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| From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many
people show up on Friday and we'll cook out that evening, but the "official"
date is 2 October.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:16 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: motels , etc
Nick, are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us some
phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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| From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
One place that our customers have stayed in is the Ramada Inn in
Murfreesboro. The address is 1855 S. Church Street, Murfreesboro, TN 37130.
Phone (615) 896-5080. The hotel is approximately 25 minutes from the
airport. It's a straight shot on Hwy 231 from the airport (S. Church is Hwy
231).
The rates were reasonable (less than Country Hearth) with a free breakfast
every morning.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:16 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: motels , etc
Nick, are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us some
phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many
people show up on Friday and we'll cook out that evening, but the "official"
date is 2 October.
Mark
I nominate Dana for Homecoming Queen.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Reunion, Homecoming, Flyin |
Lightning Friends,
I notice that the October 2 through 5 schedule this year goes past the
weekend and wondered what the Shelbyville folks had planned for the extra days.
Also, Arion has hosted (and covered the expenses for) the past gatherings.
We all have appreciated that, but as the fleet grows, so do the expenses.
I would like to contribute something toward the event this year, either in
cash or can I bring a dessert? Seriously, what can I contribute?
Are we racing creepers again this year? If so, can we have age brackets? I
couldn't get my racing creeper in the plane last year, so I'm thinking
about a wing rack. Do we have locations for the hard points?
WR Earl
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| From: | Charles Gallagher <crg326(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Reunion, Homecoming, Flyin |
Earl,the suggestion of a contribution towards the Homecoming hit home,I'll
bring cash for the bread basket.Best regards,Charles
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Subject: Lightning-List: Reunion, Homecoming, Flyin
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 9:22 AM
=0A=0A =0A=0ALightning Friends,=0A-=0AI notice that the October 2 through
5 schedule this year goes past the =0Aweekend and wondered what the Shelby
ville folks had planned for the extra days. =0AAlso, Arion has hosted (and
covered the expenses for) the past gatherings. We =0Aall have appreciated t
hat, but as the fleet grows, so do the expenses. I would =0Alike to contrib
ute something toward the event this year, either in cash or can I =0Abring
a dessert? Seriously, what can I contribute?=0A-=0AAre we racing creepers
again this year? If so, can we have age brackets? I =0Acouldn't get my rac
ing creeper in the plane last year, so I'm thinking about a =0Awing rack. D
o we have locations for the hard points?=0A-=0AWR Earl=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Reunion, Homecoming, Flyin |
Hi all,
I don't know where the 2-5 date came from either. Just to make it official
the date of the Homecoming/Open House is Saturday, October 2nd, 2010. There
is nothing planned for Sunday the 3rd or other dates.
In the past people have come by on Friday and we'll cook out and have
"beverages" available like we have in the past.
Earl, if we're going to have age brackets then we need to have weight
brackets as well! If I remember correctly you held your own pretty well.....
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Lightning-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Reunion, Homecoming, Flyin
Lightning Friends,
I notice that the October 2 through 5 schedule this year goes past the
weekend and wondered what the Shelbyville folks had planned for the extra
days. Also, Arion has hosted (and covered the expenses for) the past
gatherings. We all have appreciated that, but as the fleet grows, so do the
expenses. I would like to contribute something toward the event this year,
either in cash or can I bring a dessert? Seriously, what can I contribute?
Are we racing creepers again this year? If so, can we have age brackets? I
couldn't get my racing creeper in the plane last year, so I'm thinking about
a wing rack. Do we have locations for the hard points?
WR Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: motels , etc |
Military discount rate at the Country hearth in Shelbyville is $55 with fr
ee breakfast.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: motels , etc
One place that our customers have stayed in is the Ramada Inn in Murfreesb
oro. The address is 1855 S. Church Street, Murfreesboro, TN 37130. Phone
(615) 896-5080. The hotel is approximately 25 minutes from the airport.
It's a straight shot on Hwy 231 from the airport (S. Church is Hwy 231).
The rates were reasonable (less than Country Hearth) with a free breakfast
every morning.
Mark
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st-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: motels , etc
Nick, are there any special arrangements being made for the Oct 2 - 5 in
shellbyville? Do you have suggestions on where to stay? If you give us so
me phone numbers it would be appricated.
Tex
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Oh good...I second that....scared me for awhile there Earl, I thought you
were going to nomiate Mark...
Bear
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Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
In a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark@flyl
ightning.net writes:
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many peo
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date is 2 October.
Mark
I nominate Dana for Homecoming Queen.
Earl
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| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Reunion, Homecoming, Flyin |
In a message dated 8/23/2010 3:24:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
I don't know where the 2-5 date came from either. Just to make it official
the date of the Homecoming/Open House is Saturday, October 2nd, 2010.
There is nothing planned for Sunday the 3rd or other dates.
In the past people have come by on Friday and we'll cook out and have
"beverages" available like we have in the past.
Earl, if we're going to have age brackets then we need to have weight
brackets as well! If I remember correctly you held your own pretty well.....
Mark
And gender classes too.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
I'm retiring from the circuit to focus more on fixing Zenith 601XL wings!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:03 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
Oh good...I second that....scared me for awhile there Earl, I thought you
were going to nomiate Mark...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
In a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many
people show up on Friday and we'll cook out that evening, but the "official"
date is 2 October.
Mark
I nominate Dana for Homecoming Queen.
Earl
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Ooooohhhh......
Bernardo-Ohhhh....
--- On Mon, 8/23/10, n5pb(at)AOL.COM wrote:
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 8:02 PM
=0AOh good...I second that....scared me for awhile there Earl, I thought yo
u were going to nomiate Mark...=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0ABear
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=0AFrom: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 9:55 am
=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Dayl
ight Time, mark(at)flylightning.net writes:=0A=0A=0A=0AAlso, the Lightning Hom
ecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many people show up on Friday an
d we'll cook out that evening, but the "official" date is 2 October.=0A=0A
=0A-=0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI nominate Dana for Homecoming Quee
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| From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
I think your priorities are in the wrong order, race the creeper, build the
rv, and put the 601 on blocks in the front yard!
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
I'm retiring from the circuit to focus more on fixing Zenith 601XL wings!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
Oh good...I second that....scared me for awhile there Earl, I thought you
were going to nomiate Mark...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
In a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many
people show up on Friday and we'll cook out that evening, but the "official"
date is 2 October.
Mark
I nominate Dana for Homecoming Queen.
Earl
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| From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
I wasn't talking about the creeper races but my possible nomination for
homecoming queen. "If nominated I will not run. If elected I will not
serve!"
And the 601 comment, that's just plain mean! ;-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:18 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
I think your priorities are in the wrong order, race the creeper, build
the rv, and put the 601 on blocks in the front yard!
Nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:32 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
I'm retiring from the circuit to focus more on fixing Zenith 601XL wings!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:03 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
Oh good...I second that....scared me for awhile there Earl, I thought
you were going to nomiate Mark...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
In a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2, October. Many
people show up on Friday and we'll cook out that evening, but the "official"
date is 2 October.
Mark
I nominate Dana for Homecoming Queen.
Earl
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| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
I like the Zenith and think its nicer than an RV. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Stauffer
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
I wasn't talking about the creeper races but my possible nomination
for homecoming queen. "If nominated I will not run. If elected I will
not serve!"
And the 601 comment, that's just plain mean! ;-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:18 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
I think your priorities are in the wrong order, race the creeper,
build the rv, and put the 601 on blocks in the front yard!
Nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:32 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
I'm retiring from the circuit to focus more on fixing Zenith 601XL
wings!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:03 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
Oh good...I second that....scared me for awhile there Earl, I
thought you were going to nomiate Mark...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Homecoming
In a message dated 8/23/2010 9:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Also, the Lightning Homecoming/Open House is Saturday 2,
October. Many people show up on Friday and we'll cook out that evening,
but the "official" date is 2 October.
Mark
I nominate Dana for Homecoming Queen.
Earl
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| From: | Bernardo Melendez <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Bernardo Melendez wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn |
LinkedIn
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- Bernardo Melendez
Bernardo Melendez
owner at Alianza Inspections
Houston, Texas Area
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| From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/25/10 |
In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:57:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Bernardo Melendez wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
Why bother, that's why we have the Lightning List.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Lightning insurance |
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from
someone (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have misplaced
the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Lightning insurance |
I have a policy with AVEMCO, liability only, that's all they
would write last year, I'm not happy with the premium,
They claimed not enough aircraft to get a sample of liability or hull cost.
They have my Alpi ELSA covered also.
No claims, hangared, multi plane coverage. Still exorbitant. Even with all
the breaks. May be we should exercise
Some collective bargaining. Bob Haas, N 330BH, N 380BH.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from
someone (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have
misplaced the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Oil on top of the dipstick |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
How's that for a weird subject line? I've noticed after every flight when I check
my oil that there is oil on top of the dipstick cap.
Imagine what it would look like if you flipped open the access door, and dropped
1 or maybe 2 drops of oil on top of the dipstick cap and waited for it to spread
evenly to the edges. That is what it looks like. It is not just a thin
film.
I don't see oil anywhere else around it. The rest of the engine is very clean,
but there is always that drop of oil on top of the cap.
Anyone else experience this? Any ideas as to the cause?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310742#310742
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| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Oil on top of the dipstick |
Hey Bill: Pete covered this at the Jabiru get together in June. Several of
the dip stick caps have a problem with oil wicking up the center to the
top. You can fix this by thoroughly cleaning the top of the dip stick and
putting a drop of epoxy adhesive on the center. This will stop the oil from
getting out.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 8/30/2010 8:49:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan"
How's that for a weird subject line? I've noticed after every flight when
I check my oil that there is oil on top of the dipstick cap.
Imagine what it would look like if you flipped open the access door, and
dropped 1 or maybe 2 drops of oil on top of the dipstick cap and waited for
it to spread evenly to the edges. That is what it looks like. It is not
just a thin film.
I don't see oil anywhere else around it. The rest of the engine is very
clean, but there is always that drop of oil on top of the cap.
Anyone else experience this? Any ideas as to the cause?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310742#310742
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
Lynn:
I have been with Cannon Aircraft Insurance for over ten years through three
aircraft. They have been excellent with any claims. My rate for the
Esqual is around $2,200.
My Best,
Ray Gage
In a message dated 8/30/2010 2:06:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM writes:
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from
someone (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have misplaced
the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oil on top of the dipstick |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Awesome! I really need to go to one of the Jabiru engine seminars. Looks like
something I'll take care of next time at the hangar. I assume the problem does
not lead to any chance of the stick separating from cap.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310763#310763
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil on top of the dipstick |
A small amount of JB Weld would probably work better that epoxy on top of t
he leaking oil dip stick. My 2 cents' worth.
Bernardo (Just begun the Lightning build odyssey) Melendez
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Bill Strahan wrote:
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Oil on top of the dipstick
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:48 PM
How's that for a weird subject line?- I've noticed after every flight whe
n I check my oil that there is oil on top of the dipstick cap.-
Imagine what it would look like if you flipped open the access door, and dr
opped 1 or maybe 2 drops of oil on top of the dipstick cap and waited for i
t to spread evenly to the edges.- That is what it looks like.- It is no
t just a thin film.
I don't see oil anywhere else around it.- The rest of the engine is very
clean, but there is always that drop of oil on top of the cap.
Anyone else experience this?- Any ideas as to the cause?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310742#310742
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Oil on top of the dipstick |
That is correct
Lynn
In a message dated 8/30/2010 10:42:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan"
Awesome! I really need to go to one of the Jabiru engine seminars. Looks
like something I'll take care of next time at the hangar. I assume the
problem does not lead to any chance of the stick separating from cap.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310763#310763
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
Lynn,
I've got mine thrugh Falcon, $1900 Inlcudes all the hurricane riders too.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:03 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from some
one (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have misplaced
the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
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| From: | "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
I have the same coverage and same premium with Falcon as Bear; next time
I renew I plan to check with Sutton and James. I am told they offer
good coverage with more reasonable premiums.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Lynn,
I've got mine thrugh Falcon, $1900 Inlcudes all the hurricane riders
too.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
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To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:03 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from
someone (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have
misplaced the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
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| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
Linda/all: I have had my insurance with AIG for many years, through
Aircraft and Marine assurance agency. My renewal is listed from Chartis Aerospace
at $1591 plus the 1% Florida tax. I had a quote about 3 months ago for
$1250, but I cannot find the information. (I believe it was from some broker
in Orlando)
The quote includes Nick Otterback as a pilot and is for Ground and
Flight with $100 deductible (ground and flight) and is listed at 1.8147% and
the $1 million Liability (100,000 per person) is an additional $229. So the
total for my $75,000 coverage is $1606.91.
As I recall, AOPA will not cover airplanes based on a grass strip. I
guess I will try Sutton and James as well as EAA.
Lynn
In a message dated 8/31/2010 8:34:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lbmathias(at)verizon.net writes:
I have the same coverage and same premium with Falcon as Bear; next time I
renew I plan to check with Sutton and James. I am told they offer good
coverage with more reasonable premiums.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: _n5pb(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:n5pb(at)AOL.COM)
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Lynn,
I've got mine thrugh Falcon, $1900 Inlcudes all the hurricane riders too.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: _IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM)
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:03 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from
someone (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have misplaced
the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
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| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
Thanks for the info Linda: I called Tom Murphy at Sutton and James. He
provided me with a quote from Starr Aviation for $1285 which has coverage
slightly better than AIG. So unless the EAA comes in better, I think I will be
switching to Sutton and James.
The nice part is that Starr apparently does not have any prejudices
against us more mature pilots (over 70).
Lynn
In a message dated 8/31/2010 8:34:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lbmathias(at)verizon.net writes:
I have the same coverage and same premium with Falcon as Bear; next time I
renew I plan to check with Sutton and James. I am told they offer good
coverage with more reasonable premiums.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: _n5pb(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:n5pb(at)AOL.COM)
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Lynn,
I've got mine thrugh Falcon, $1900 Inlcudes all the hurricane riders too.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: _IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM)
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:03 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Hey Guys/Gals: I am looking to renew my insurance. I had a quote from
someone (In Orlando I think) that was reasonable, but I seem to have misplaced
the email. Can anyone give me a reasonable alternative?
Lynn Nelsen
t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | September Lightning Newsletter |
All,
The September 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on
some of the websites that carry our newsletters. At the moment, you can
find this current issue of the Lightning Newsletter as well as all past
issues at:
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
Nick tells me his web guy has it posted on their web site (and it is listed
under the newsletters) but when I tried to access it just now, the link
did not work. I am sure it will soon be fixed. Try for it at:
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
It should also soon be posted at Jim Langley's web site:
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
One of the first things you will probably notice is that it is much shorter
this month that in past issues. In fact, Linda, our esteemed editor, said
great, it is more like a newsletter than a magazine. So at only 18 pages
this month, it about 1/2 the size of recent issues. Maybe now more people
will be able to get through reading it before falling asleep. Hope so.
Featured in this issue is a nice write up by Steve Hacker about his
Lightning of the month. Beautiful airplane. But I really think you will enjoy
the feature article by Wayne Patterson of Western Australia. Wayne is
building his Lightning at his home and wrote a great article on his project and
the positive aspects of having your Lightning in your garage.
There are some good photos of Rick (Mr. Fiberglass man) Disher's
Lightning on an early test flight and some photos of a new toy that Max and Olena
have at their Lightning dealership in Florida.
One other important part of this issue is the Service Bulletin from
Sensenich on their ground adjustable carbon fiber props. If you are using one
June 02, 2010 - September 01, 2010
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