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Yep, the video is from a flight this past Monday evening. 50 degrees and a 5 kt breeze out of the south. And then the front arrived... > > >On 02/10/2010 03:16 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace >Corporation] wrote: >>Aha ! Love you caption there Jeff and nice music selections. >> >>Now go out this spring and really do a man's stall where you pull power > >"Spring," nuthin'. I think he went flying this past Monday! He's >just rubbing it in! > >>back to idle and really honk that nose up >> >>there. You can do it, I know you can. Even then when the nose drops you >>just add a touch of power and she's >> >>flying again. > >The power-on stalls in N8031 are simply amazing. With just me in >there, I couldn't get it to stall... maybe I was being a chicken, >but I had the stick back almost in my lap and the horizon went away >and I was dancing on the rudder pedals and I was afraid I was going >to flip her over - she just kept climbing and climbing and >climbing... I gave up after gaining about a thousand feet of >altitude. > >Thank you, sir, for a nice mini-mental vacation. I needed that. > >Cheers, >Dan > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET
Actually top rpm is 2600 but your right you would need the shorter prop for such rpm's as the Corvair puts out.I stand corrected.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______ __________________________=0AFrom: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, February 10, 2010 4:49:23 PM=0ASu bject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List me ssage posted by: "taildrags" =0A=0AHarvey: I'll bet your Franklin develops rated power at something like 2300 RPM, whereas the Corvair needs to turn 2900-3100 to develop full power.- Thus, the shorter prop to control tip speed.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0ASan Antonio, TX =0AAir Camper NX41CC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:/ /forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285882#285882=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =============== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: handheld radios
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 10, 2010
Douwe - I'm using an ICOM A6 (I think, it's the one that's com only). My GPS covers the nav part. I had fits with people hearing me on the handheld I'd borrowed & discovered that that is a common complaint. I spent a lot of money & bought a whole radio/intercom package from the people at Miracle Antenna: ICOM A6, two lightspeed headsets, intercom, power source the "miracle antenna" (which really works). I've mentioned before that, while expensive, the package from those folks is actually cheaper than buying the pieces. So far so good, I can talk to radios 50 miles away and I can talk comfortably to the person in the front seat. Kevin Purtee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285902#285902 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Barry Davis-- good update !
Date: Feb 10, 2010
Thanks Mike So far 4 of the 6 (Harold, Bruce, Frank and myself) are flying with various hours but none over 27 hours. We had 4 signed off the same day and testing started soon after. We decided to do some modifications and this has taken some time. Since Tom (5th Big Piet) did not get his sign-off with ours, (using FAA instead of a DE) he is making the mods as we change our planes and should be ready for sign-off very soon. He probably will not have enough hours to venture out very far, so Sun n Fun is out for him. If you know Tom, he is already grumbling about having to sleep in a tent. The Corvairs turned out to be the least of our worries as they run great and have plenty of power to spare. A note on our props, we planed our own wood and glued up blanks to carve our propellers, but with the push to try to make Oshkosh last year, we opted to let Alaina at Valley Engineering make some for us. She glued, carved and finished 6 props in just a couple of weeks. Still the "90% done-90% to go" rule won out and we just could not make it. Still we did 6 planes in 6-1/2 years and missing our deadline by one month wasn't too bad after all. At least we got 4 of them completed and flying in '09, the Piet anniversary. The weather looks bad the rest of this week and next week our EAA Chapter will be on a cruise to the Bahamas. We won't get any flying done, but at least we might be warm... Thanks again Barry Davis _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Barry Davis-- good update ! Great to hear that four of your Big Piets might be at SNF Barry ! Can I ask how many of the Big Piets have made their 1st flights ? I hope the weather moderates for you guys so you can get some of your hours flown off in late Feb/ and March. Go for it. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Barry Davis-- good update !
Date: Feb 10, 2010
So have you chosen who gets which airplane now? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Barry Davis-- good update ! Thanks Mike So far 4 of the 6 (Harold, Bruce, Frank and myself) are flying with various hours but none over 27 hours. We had 4 signed off the same day and testing started soon after. We decided to do some modifications and this has taken some time. Since Tom (5th Big Piet) did not get his sign-off with ours, (using FAA instead of a DE) he is making the mods as we change our planes and should be ready for sign-off very soon. He probably will not have enough hours to venture out very far, so Sun n Fun is out for him. If you know Tom, he is already grumbling about having to sleep in a tent. The Corvairs turned out to be the least of our worries as they run great and have plenty of power to spare. A note on our props, we planed our own wood and glued up blanks to carve our propellers, but with the push to try to make Oshkosh last year, we opted to let Alaina at Valley Engineering make some for us. She glued, carved and finished 6 props in just a couple of weeks. Still the "90% done-90% to go" rule won out and we just could not make it. Still we did 6 planes in 6-1/2 years and missing our deadline by one month wasn't too bad after all. At least we got 4 of them completed and flying in '09, the Piet anniversary. The weather looks bad the rest of this week and next week our EAA Chapter will be on a cruise to the Bahamas. We won't get any flying done, but at least we might be warm... Thanks again Barry Davis _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Barry Davis-- good update ! Great to hear that four of your Big Piets might be at SNF Barry ! Can I ask how many of the Big Piets have made their 1st flights ? I hope the weather moderates for you guys so you can get some of your hours flown off in late Feb/ and March. Go for it. Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET
Group, We have a Hegy 66-30 and have no complaints.- We are getting about 75-80mph cruise at about 5gph.- We also bought another hegy 66-30 second hand and I am in the revarnish and experiment phase with the spare prop. I am going to try the dimple tape and see what kind of performance we get. - They claim up to 10-20% increase in power on a continental 65, so I wil l see what the numbers are with the new prop.- If I don't watch it I migh t have to install a mach meter in our Bell Ex-1. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Power on, really nose high stalls
One of may favirot things to do is a really deep stall, pull the nose up 45 degrees or so and hold on.- As soon as she falls off it's flying again, no power required.- I have talked to one anonomous individule who says he looped his piet when he was much younger (he still flys his piet), but I d on't want to try it!- I haven't had to urge to spin the piet, but I dont think it would be a problem, it has plenty of rudder authority. - Shad , in snowy, blowey Ohio (home of the 1st "new" Buckeye Pietenpol Fly-I n)=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ford engine options?
From: "cook" <jwjcook(at)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 10, 2010
I am considering building a Pietenpol's or purchasing a project. I have always had a soft spot for the Ford Model A Pietenpol's. I was wondering if the Ford 2.8L "cologne" V6 motor with direct drive would be a good option? Or even the Ford 2.3L 4cyl? I am curious to know what these motors weigh in relation to the Model A. I would like to keep it a direct drive similar to the Model A. Any help will be appreciated! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285910#285910 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My new 613.5 airfoil jig!
From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 10, 2010
Any word yet on availability of a 613.5 jig? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285921#285921 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Santiago's Piet
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hope Santiago doesn't mind that I stole this photo off his facebook site. Nice job!!!!? Beautiful!!! ? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Question for The Big Piet builders
From: Pastor Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy(at)gmail.com>
Hi Gang, I am new to the group. What is a Big Piet? I have never heard of one before. Thanks Mike Townsley On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Michael Groah wrote: > > I have a quick question for those Big Piet builders out there. I tried > directly emailing a couple of you but didn't get a response. Perhaps my > email is getting lost in the spam filters. > > What did you guys do for props on your planes? Is everyone using the same > prop? What manufacturer? What size? I've asked other corvair piet owners on > the list about their prop choices and I'd like to add your recommendation to > my list of props so I have more to draw from when I make my choice. > > Thanks so much! > > Mike Groah > Tulare CA > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Santiago's Piet- larger image
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
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Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Question for The Big Piet builders
This group has been building 6 Piets at once in GA-- greater Atlanta, I think. They called their overall project "Big Piet." The plan was to get all 6 into primer, then draw lots for the Piets. The goal was to fly them to Brodhead and then Oshkosh last year for the 80th anniversary of Pietenpols. They missed having a couple ready by a month or so. Four of the six made it into the air last year. The other two are almost done. Terrific idea and great execution Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Mike Townsley Sent: Feb 11, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for The Big Piet builders Hi Gang, I am new to the group. What is a Big Piet? I have never heard of one before. Thanks Mike Townsley On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Michael Groah wrote: I have a quick question for those Big Piet builders out there. I tried directly emailing a couple of you but didn't get a response. Perhaps my email is getting lost in the spam filters. What did you guys do for props on your planes? Is everyone using the same prop? What manufacturer? What size? I've asked other corvair piet owners on the list about their prop choices and I'd like to add your recommendation to my list of props so I have more to draw from when I make my choice. Thanks so much! Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations, Douwe!!! Fantastic work!!! :-D On 02/11/2010 09:11 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS > CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN > CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. > > Douwe > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Woo-Hooooooo!!!!! Congratulations Douwe !!! See..... that wasn't so bad was it? > From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Date: Thu=2C 11 Feb 2010 10:11:53 -0500 > thlink.net> > > THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINES S > CERT=2C OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN > CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. > > Douwe > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Douwe: FANTASTIC!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS MAN!!!! On to Brodhead!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove,IL. -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 9:11 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hlink.net> THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS ERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN ERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Congrats, Douwe. That's wonderful. Hopefully I'll see you and the plane at Brodhead with me my plane. Kevin Purtee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285953#285953 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow!... Congrats! Thats great. Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 7:11:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!! > > >THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS >CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN >CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. > >Douwe -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Way to go man. I am so proud of and for you. WOW There is nothing better than flying an airplane you built! Is the weather going to let you fly this week? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285962#285962 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Congrats Douwe!! The race is on! Trying my best to accompany you to Brodhead next year!! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg<mailto:douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations Douwe! That's just the shot in the arm I need to get me back out to the shop. Tom Stinemetze N328X >THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS >CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN >CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Congrats.....Douwe!! Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Douwe, Did he make you run the engine? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Feels GOOD doesn't it??????? Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --> THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
WAY TO GO, DOUWE! NOW GO FLY THE THING! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Hey Douwe Congrats on the final inspection. I will be waiting for you with a cold beer in the inner circle at Brodhead. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS > CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN > CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. > > Douwe > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Douwe, Without a doubt, that will be the best news of the day!! Congratulations! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: snf project
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Hey all I just received a set of plans for a Pietenpol Aircamper to make a couple of planes for a couple of two year old grand kids. Is this something that someone else would be interested in also? The plans are available from EAA direct now and are quite detailed. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: Re: snf project
You mean pedal planes? ...Chrissi In a message dated 2/11/2010 12:10:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes: Hey all I just received a set of plans for a Pietenpol Aircamper to make a couple of planes for a couple of two year old grand kids. Is this something that someone else would be interested in also? The plans are available from EAA direct now and are quite detailed. Dick N. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations Douwe. As a few have said, it keeps us guys who are still b uilding motivated. How long of a build was it for you? - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking at the same thing...Its been a long journey, but we both still have the biggest milestone ahead of us. If the weather cooperates I could be making that first flight in a few days. The weather in Fl has been real windy and I need to get 20 or 30 landings on my Baby Ace before I do the first flight. Congratulations Douwe! Ben On 2/11/2010 10:11 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS > CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN > CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. > > Douwe > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Ok Jeff, what you'd do with the little guy that proped the engine for you?? How come you cut him out of the picture? Are you ashamed of him?? Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall > > Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:35:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: handheld radios
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Clif, take a look on the Fly Baby Yahoo site. I believe someone mounted the same radio and posted a photo of it. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Since I'm building an old time plane and have to have a radio ( and mode C transponder ) I would really prefer that this stuff is as unobtrusive as possible. So I purposely bought an old Delcom with all the controls on the end. I spent hours trying to figure out where to put that *&#% transponder so that I could see the numbers and work the dials. I think it's going down on the side by my right leg lying against the diagonal. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different plane (mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion here. I'm not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary radio. I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld versus a panel mount. Maybe they are best for open cockpit? Boyce href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - Release Date: 02/09/10 11:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/09/10 19:35:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: NX799B just passed inspection-- Halftime for Douwe !
Most excellent news Douwe ! You hung in there and crossed the =BD way m ark. You're just now embarking on the second half of your Pietenpol game adventu re ! For me the second half was far more fantastic than the first but hey, it al l adds up to a winner if you keep at it and see it thru to the end. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
And Congrats to you, Ben. I hope to see your Pietenpol at Sun 'n' Fun. I'll be there regardless, but I hope the weather will cooperate for me to fly the Piet down there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm looking at the same thing...Its been a long journey, but we both still have the biggest milestone ahead of us. If the weather cooperates I could be making that first flight in a few days. The weather in Fl has been real windy and I need to get 20 or 30 landings on my Baby Ace before I do the first flight. Congratulations Douwe! Ben On 2/11/2010 10:11 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS > CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN > CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. > > Douwe > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Douwe, CONGRATS, next step, Craw Daddy Landing, keep me Informed My wife said you called, now I know why. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286016#286016 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!! NX799B just passed inspection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations Douwe; can't wait to hear about the first flight. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Feb 11, 2010 07:45:24 AM, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote: THE FAA INSPECTOR JUST LEFT AND I'M LOOKING AT A LITTLE PINK AIRWORTHINESS CERT, OPERATING LIMITATIONS AND REPAIRMAN CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: snf project
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Dick I built two planes for my grand kids. Used their bithday for the N-number. Gave the plane a personal touch. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N Sent: 2/11/2010 12:11:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: snf project Hey all I just received a set of plans for a Pietenpol Aircamper to make a couple of planes for a couple of two year old grand kids. Is this something that someone else would be interested in also? The plans are available from EAA direct now and are quite detailed. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall
We keep him under the cowling. Though he's squat and round, he's a real live wire. Yank his chain and he really howls! > > >Ok Jeff, what you'd do with the little guy that proped the engine >for you?? How come you cut him out of the picture? Are you ashamed >of him?? >Gene >N502R -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Congratulations! I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. ...and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Re-edited the stall movie
I sent the link to my wife, just to give her something to look forward to. Ben ________________________________ From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 4:08:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re-edited the stall movie Re-edited the stall movie I re-edited the stall movie over lunch. It's substantially shorter but with added bits. (Now how doesthat work?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O7bNfCLAdQ Sort of gives it a different feel. Hope you like it, now I'm back to work. Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Re-edited the stall movie
Is she going to be doing the stall testing? :) >I sent the link to my wife, just to give her something to look forward to. > >Ben > > >From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 4:08:10 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re-edited the stall movie > >Re-edited the stall movie >I re-edited the stall movie over lunch. It's substantially shorter >but with added bits. (Now how does that work?) -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Way to go, Ben!!! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ford engine options?
From: "cook" <jwjcook(at)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Also what about the Ford 3.3L Inline 6cyl engines? Any thoughts guys?? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286057#286057 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Congrats to you also, Jeff. 2 in one day thats quite an accomplishment. How about posting a pic for us. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! > > Congratulations! > > I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. ...and I also got > the repairman certificate at the same time. > -- > --- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Fantastic, Ben! Congratulations!! On 02/11/2010 05:22 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire > process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman > certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting > it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it > that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now > if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my > flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
On 02/11/2010 06:05 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Congratulations! > > I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. ...and I also got > the repairman certificate at the same time. Three in one day? I thought yours was flying already... now I'm just confused... which is a pretty normal state for me... :-) -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Congratulations Ben. Who would have thought we would have 2 Piets in one day get the OK. Get flyin'. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286065#286065 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Austin Visit's a Go, Sunday 17 Jan, ETA Lockhart
1130 Heard you found a hanger up here at GTU! Good deal. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:58 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visit's a Go, Sunday 17 Jan, ETA Lockhart 1130 > > ETD from Lockhart back to Houston 1330. Lunch in beautiful Lockhart. > > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > 512-422-6371 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281886#281886 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Jimmy's son Kyle used to do a wing walking act with his father in the Waco. Now I guess Kyle married Bobby Younkin's daughter and they have a wing walking act. To get the jet running, they had to air start it with the R-985. Quite a show. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286069#286069 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: handheld radios
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Where? I checked various photo pages, especialy the "instrument panel" one and there's nothing like a delcom in there at all. There is one small modern style that's been sunk into the surface. Also, back in the good ol days, Delcom had a panel mount kit that fit in a 3 1/4" instrument hole. Dean Sevold, in Naniamo, has one in his Piet. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Clif, take a look on the Fly Baby Yahoo site. I believe someone mounted the same radio and posted a photo of it. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Since I'm building an old time plane and have to have a radio ( and mode C transponder ) I would really prefer that this stuff is as unobtrusive as possible. So I purposely bought an old Delcom with all the controls on the end. I spent hours trying to figure out where to put that *&#% transponder so that I could see the numbers and work the dials. I think it's going down on the side by my right leg lying against the diagonal. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different plane (mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion here. I'm not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary radio. I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld versus a panel mount. Maybe they are best for open cockpit? Boyce href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Release Date: 02/09/10 11:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - Release Date: 02/09/10 19:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/10/10 11:38:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Congrats. To both of you. What an inspiration to those of slogging away building ribs. There is light at the end of the tunel. --Ken Ben Charvet wrote: > I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire > process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman > certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so > getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word > for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems > anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I > can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Congratulations Ben. Piets are going to be so think in the air soon that the RV's will be running for cover. Be sure to send us some first flight photos for those of us not there yet. JIm B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Feb 11, 2010 04:03:46 PM, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote: I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim White" <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Ben, Congratulations! When you're allowed to leave the area, fly up and see me at Woods and Lakes. I just got my airworthiness certificate for my Rans S-6S two weeks ago. Another guy here at the airpark is flying off the 40 hours since I don't have a taildragger rating. I thought I could take lessons while flying off the 40 hours, but not so. Still working on my Pietenpol in Ohio. Be Careful, Tim White ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Charvet To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
CONGRATULATIONS BEN, WELL DONE!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 5:22 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the wind s will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying profi ciency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
Guys, Sorry, that was some email weirdness in the reply. Ben is the one who got his airworthiness cert, I was just congratulating him. Somehow I messed up the reply text. Our Piet has had it's cert since '76. Jeff > >Congrats to you also, Jeff. 2 in one day thats quite an >accomplishment. How about posting a pic for us. >Dick N. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! > >> >>Congratulations! >> >>I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. ...and I also >>got the repairman certificate at the same time. >>-- >>--- >> >>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. >>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology >>Emory University School of Medicine >>Editor-in-Chief >>Molecular Vision >> >> > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Thanks all! congrats BEN!!
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Thank you everybody for the congrats, and especially for the help and encouragement through the years. CONGRATULATIONS BEN!! What a funny coincidence, two in one day. Dan, he did not ask me to start it. I had called him up before hand after someone mentioned it was a possibility. He said "I figure if it won't start, you won't fly very far". Super nice guy and a great experience, the guy actually had the mindset of a... public servant. He was very helpful and informative and gave me lots of "inside tips" about various things. Gave me a huge test area, 75 mile radius. Lowell suggested I ask for a 100yd wide strip up to Brodhead as it would probably be about the same square mileage! She's in my studio so we've got to take the wings off and get her to the strip, reassemble and start her up. Been awefully cold here for too much ground running but I will be completely ready for the first decent days so we can get all the bugs worked out and then, Mr. Lowell Frank will be coming down to do the honors as he's probably got more Piet time than anyone alive, THANKS LOWELL!! FYI, the inspector said you CAN take passengers up during the test phase IF they are "needed for the testing". So, for example, rather than a sandbag (a guy got killed recently when his sandbag shifted and blocked the controls) you can take someone up for a gross weight test. Or if you need someone to watch for traffic while you monitor gauges, he said that is okay. He said, just be sure you inform them they are participating in a test flight and be sure you LOG it prior to the flight and give the reason they are there. Someone asked how long... I've purchased this project from Bill Marshall who started it in 1991. He worked on it part of the year (did winters in FL) until around 2000 when he got sick. I bought it from him right before he died in 2002 and have been working on it since then. Had to tear down my engine once and built three sets of wheels and a second gas tank so I took a few steps backward, but finally made it... almost. Like everyone says, the trick is to just keep it moving forward, and a really good tip is to "try to touch it every day" even if you just spend five minutes painting a part or sanding some edges or even sweeping the shop/hangar. Try to look at it as a bunch of little projects, like "this week I'm going to build a bunch of controls" and approach it like an individual project. Building this plane was really just a LOT of little building projects which in the end go together to create something completely worth it. CHUG, CHUG, CHUG, and one day, you look at your "to do"list and it's all crossed off. Thanks again. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!!
On 2/12/2010 8:44 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > CHUG, CHUG, CHUG, and one day, you look at your "to do"list and it's all > crossed off. > > And what a great feeling that is.. I had a very similar experience with my FAA inspector. He did tell me in advance that he would want to see the engine run. When I checked the oil before startup it was about the consistency of honey. I was fortunate enough to have a workshop in my back yard, so I could work on it a little nearly every day. I found that if I was away from it for a week, I would spend quite a bit of time remembering where I left off. This Pietenpol experience has been quite a journey. While putting together an album of construction photos for the inspection it became apparent how much life happens over 5 years. There were pictures of dogs and relatives that are no longer with me, and pictures of grand-children at different ages. As Mike Cuy mentioned on a post yesterday, the journey is far from over (I hope), and one day soon those grand-children will be passengers. Who knows, they could end up inheriting the thing. This list has been fantastic, as was meeting so many of you at Brodhead 2008. I've talked my wife into going to Brodhead with me this year. Won't be bringing the Piet, but at least by then we should have some in-flight videos Ben Charvet Mims, Fl NX866BC Airworthy, Insured, ready to go ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: inspection
Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!!
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Ben: Congrats to you for your diligent work, and you might ask your Wife if she doesn't mind me helping her into the front seat of my OLD Piet I will give her a ride at Brodhead year 2010. Pieti Lowell PS In spite of my old Piet and body I still get a kick flying with a passenger just to see them smile, some times I get a peck on the cheek. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286123#286123 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: inspection
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Way to go, Gardiner! I knew you had to be getting close. Will you have it at Sun 'n' Fun? If so, we should have a pretty good gathering of Pietenpols there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: inspection
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Gardiner, That's great news! What does 'passing the first go around' mean? Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: inspection
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 12, 2010
And a good CONGRATS to you Gardiner. Wear more warm cloths, get up there, short hops help the winter blues. I have been up 3 times since the 31St January and nothing above 20 degrees F. I guess when one gets into the 80,s there isn't any feelings anywhere. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286132#286132 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: inspection
Gardiner, A cover for the front pit, for me, is the difference between flying in winter and not! It makes a big differenc. Jeff > >Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed >the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold >here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you >know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner >Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: inspection
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Ben, Douwe, and Gardiner, Wow!!! Three new official Pietenpols, I'll bet there will be more work on Piet projects this week than any week in history. Way to go guys. Skip > > Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Low Flying Airplane Parts
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Definitely Piet related: Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while working on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have done something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?) No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you were working on the ribs, as you should be." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: formation flying
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >that the RV's will be running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: inspection
Jeez, a person can't keep up, can they... It's a good thing I'm not raising a glass to every accomplishment you guys make - I'd be under the table, by now. Congrats, Gardiner! On 02/12/2010 09:02 AM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: formation flying
great article Oscar. Gardiner. --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > To: "Pietenpol List" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:30 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Jim wrote- > > >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon > >that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: formation flying
Good one Oscar...people are looking at me wondering why I'm laughing. You should turn that into an official Pietenpol formation flight instruction manual. Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting Oscar Zuniga : > > > Jim wrote- > >> Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >> that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: formation flying
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Oscar, As usual, your Battle Contingency Plan is spot on. Maybe that's why WWI flights started out with everyone taking off at the same time from a big field! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >that the RV's will be running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: inspection
Jack, I won't have it at Sun N Fun I have not flown the hours off, and I will be working in the woodshop carving a spare prop with PF Beck. I hope to fly it to Brodhead though. Cheers, Gariner --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jack Phillips wrote: > From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 10:10 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Jack Phillips" > > Way to go, Gardiner! I knew you had to be getting > close. Will you have it > at Sun 'n' Fun? If so, we should have a pretty good > gathering of Pietenpols > there. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On Behalf Of airlion > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM > To: pietenpol > Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection > > > Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and > passed the first > go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold > here in the sunny > south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. > I will have to > put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: formation flying
"Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation." I fell out trying to go slow enough to let Larry keep up! >:-} -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts
Date: Feb 12, 2010
I have felt your pain. On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Definitely Piet related: > > Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while working > on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I > couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have done > something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?) > > No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you were > working on the ribs, as you should be." > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 16 ribs done > > > <000_1663.jpg> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: formation flying
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Oscar, Some of us aging aviators have resigned ourselves to wearing catheters (external!!). I can carry a full thermos of coffee and not have to stop. I can out fly the fuel tank! (I guess you won't be flying under me, now, will you?) Mike PS Get a free sample here: http://www.southwestmedical.com/category/Mentor-External-Catheters/595 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying --> Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon that the RV's will be >running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts
Date: Feb 12, 2010
I'll bet that you could find some Cessna control surface corrugated aluminum to cover the part with. Then instead of a slice you'll get Cessna Diamonds. Not sure whether that would be an improvement, though. David Paule ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Reminder to update paper pilot certificates
From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Slightly off topic, but don't forget: Paper Pilot Certificates expire 31 March, 2010: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/ Steve Owings, MD -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286177#286177 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: formation flying
My first solo as a navcad in pensacola was at an outlying grass field with 6 other SNJ's. We all took off at once and you can imagine what that take-off run looked like. We could do that too in our Piets. Gardiner --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Gary Boothe wrote: > From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:51 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Gary Boothe" > > Oscar, > > As usual, your Battle Contingency Plan is spot on. Maybe > that's why WWI > flights started out with everyone taking off at the same > time from a big > field! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 16 ribs done > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > > > > > Jim wrote- > > >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon > >that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: inspection
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it would PASS. Guys I have been to his hangar and drooled on NX840LM. Nice Corvair install too. It has a very nice cable operated trim tab. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286184#286184 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Subject: photos from Gardiner and Air & Space update
Gardiner-- any chance you could post some photos of your completed airplane for us to enjoy ? Very exciting news from all of you three, Douwe, Ben, and yourself. I'd love to see as many photos as any of you wish to post. Also it was really nice of Barry Davis to post those photos of some of the Big Piets in flight and on the ground. I have a feeling that EAA and Mary Jones will give you guys more press when you surface at SNF again in Sport Aviation which will be great to see. Along those lines, I spoke with the photo and art editor of our upcoming Smithsonian Air & Space Pietenpol Air Camper article by former WWII AAF pilot veteran/ turned author Marshall Lumbsden and we'll see that in the April issue ! Mike C. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- >list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson >Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:45 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection > > >Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it would PASS. >Guys I have been to his hangar and drooled on NX840LM. Nice Corvair >install too. It has a very nice cable operated trim tab. > >-------- >Jerry Dotson >59 Daniel Johnson Rd >Baker, FL 32531 > >Started building NX510JD July, 2009 >Ribs and tailfeathers done >using Lycoming O-235 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286184#286184 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts
I have had a problem with walking into my trailing edge and lower aileron horns in the hangar. When I was visiting my EAA flight advisor, I asked him why he kept the tailwheel of his Pietenpol on a stand so that the airplane was in flight attitude. He replied that it was so he could walk under the wing without bumping into it. I'm only 5'8", but with the tail elevated I don't walk into it anymore.. Right now I'm using one of the lumber/roller/stands that I used with the table saw when I was back in the beginning stages. It really makes the hangar more friendly and roomier. Ben ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts
I have had a problem with walking into my trailing edge and lower aileron horns in the hangar. When I was visiting my EAA flight advisor, I asked him why he kept the tailwheel of his Pietenpol on a stand so that the airplane was in flight attitude. He replied that it was so he could walk under the wing without bumping into it. I'm only 5'8", but with the tail elevated I don't walk into it anymore.. Right now I'm using one of the lumber/roller/stands that I used with the table saw when I was back in the beginning stages. It really makes the hangar more friendly and roomier. Ben ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: formation flying
Date: Feb 12, 2010
For the very best in low 'n' slow formation flying, I still think "The Red Sparrows" take the prize: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lXqMmevog Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Kyle does a solo act in the Waco Mystery ship and a comedy act in a cub. He and his wife Amanda(Younkin) do the Pirated Skies wing walking act also. There is another Jet Waco in the works, but no finish date as of yet. There are some pretty cool videos at their website. www.franklinairshow.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286220#286220 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: formation flying
Oscar, a large formation of Piets over Oshkosh would totally block the sky from all the military aircraft and RV's and they would have to give credit to the Piets to get their airspace back. I think it would be revenge for last years 80th anniversary non show EAA had promised. Besides on TV they are always showing that prescription drug that will keep your pipes from leaking so you can do things that take longer than a 3 sec RV pass over the field. Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 12, 2010, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >that the RV's will be running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: inspection
thanks for the comments Jerry. Will you be at Sun N Fun in April? I will be working in the wood workshop carving a spare prop. Look me up if you can. Gardiner --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jerry Dotson wrote: > From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)erec.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 2:45 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Jerry Dotson" > > Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it > would PASS. Guys I have been to his hangar and drooled on > NX840LM. Nice Corvair install too. It has a very nice cable > operated trim tab. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286184#286184 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: formation flying
Any further libelous comments about the velocity of my Air Camper will be r eferred to my legal team for action up to and including a match race (now t hat I have my new Super whizbang Lion Speed head and racing carb installed) for pink slips. - Non Pietenpol aircraft need not apply (which includes bastardized versions of Bernard's design and all those without Ford "A" engines or those with Fo rd "A" engines developing more horsepower than mine or any which have dimpl e tape on their props, non-original airfoils, vortex generators, pointy spi nners or any other cheesy tricks that might make them (unfairly) faster tha n mine). - Besides, I now have a nosewheel and an 0-290 that has necessitated the inst allation of a used Long-Eze canopy. Looks cool and goes like stink......... ..SO THERE, Boatright!!!!!! What's a guy named Boatright doing in aviation, anyway???? - Larry=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: formation flying
Don't make me pull the speed prop down out of the rafters! We can hit 105 mph with that baby. Once. >Any further libelous comments about the velocity of my Air Camper >-blahdeblahblah... > >Larry > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack Phillips
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Jack Got my new issue of Sportsman Pilot yesterday and as always, sat down to read it from cover to cover. It started out with a good article about fellow EAA Director Susan Dusenbury and her Stinson project. As I made my way through the magazine, I was pleased to see your smiling face and a great multi-page article on you and your Pietenpol. Jack and Golda do a great job with this pub;ication and your article was no exception. I had heard the story of your off airport landing, but never did know the cause until now. We are all glad you took the time to fix it back and lead the Pietenpol charge. Got about 4" of snow last night (the most we have had in 8 or 9 years) and I love it. Almost hate to leave tomorrow for an EAA Fun Cruise to the Bahamas with our local chapter, but hey..........somebody's gotta do it! Sun n Fun Bound Barry Davis BIG PIET NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Subject: Greg Menoche out there on the list?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Again, sorry to use the list for this... Greg, If you are out there, can you please email me at 'rmueller23(at)gmail.com'? I think my emails may not be getting through...thanks! Ryan Mueller rmueller23(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: formation flying
That counts me out for sure. --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Lawrence Williams wrote: From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:46 AM Any further libelous comments about the velocity of my Air Camper will be r eferred to my legal team for action up to and including a match race (now t hat I have my new Super whizbang Lion Speed head and racing carb installed) for pink slips. - Non Pietenpol aircraft need not apply (which includes bastardized versions of Bernard's design and all those without Ford "A" engines or those with Fo rd "A" engines developing more horsepower than mine or any which have dimpl e tape on their props, non-original airfoils, vortex generators, pointy spi nners or any other cheesy tricks that might make them (unfairly) faster tha n mine). - Besides, I now have a nosewheel and an 0-290 that has necessitated the inst allation of a used Long-Eze canopy. Looks cool and goes like stink......... ..SO THERE, Boatright!!!!!! What's a guy named Boatright doing in aviation, anyway???? - Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Low Flying Airplane Parts
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Just wait until you work on the sheet metal=2C you will love the cuts on yo ur hands. Isn't this fun??? In all seriousness=2C we are doing something that we all enjoy=2C making stuff. There is no feeling of pride better tha n standing by something nice and being able to say=2C I built that. Keep h aving fun Gary=2C and all of you on the list for that mater. Vic Groah MX4 14MV . > From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts > Date: Fri=2C 12 Feb 2010 08:08:45 -0800 > > Definitely Piet related: > > Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while work ing > on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little=2C and bled a little=2C I > couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have do ne > something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room=2C as usual?) > > No doubt=2C some wise-aker will say=2C "That wouldn't have happened if yo u were > working on the ribs=2C as you should be." > > Gary Boothe > Cool=2C CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done=2C Fuselage on gear > 16 ribs done > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Subject: venturi mounting location
Pieters, Anyone have experience on where to mount a vacuum venturi on a Piet?=C2- I=C2-traded some stuff I had laying around for a nice old brass Pioneer b rand venturi and matching turn indicator, and while this is sort-of overkil l for=C2-a Piet, the brass venturi will look really cool=C2-on the plan e=C2- :-) Just wondering if there is a best place to locate it, or similarly, places to avoid.=C2- Thanks in advance, Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL NX520SF ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: venturi mounting location
Date: Feb 13, 2010
I've got one mounted on the belly of mine, between the two cockpits. I use it to power my Turn & Bank Indicator. No problems with that location and it works fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmordecai001(at)comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: venturi mounting location Pieters, Anyone have experience on where to mount a vacuum venturi on a Piet? I traded some stuff I had laying around for a nice old brass Pioneer brand venturi and matching turn indicator, and while this is sort-of overkill for a Piet, the brass venturi will look really cool on the plane :-) Just wondering if there is a best place to locate it, or similarly, places to avoid. Thanks in advance, Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL NX520SF ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts
From: Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
The last injury I got from my airplane was a fat lip from a strut that hit me in the teeth while taking the wings back off. It's about healed now, I guess I need to get back to work... On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:30 PM, V Groah wrote: > Just wait until you work on the sheet metal, you will love the cuts on > your hands. Isn't this fun??? In all seriousness, we are doing somethin g > that we all enjoy, making stuff. There is no feeling of pride better tha n > standing by something nice and being able to say, I built that. Keep hav ing > fun Gary, and all of you on the list for that mater. Vic Groah MX414MV . > > > From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net > > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts > > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:08:45 -0800 > > > > > Definitely Piet related: > > > > Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while > working > > on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I > > couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have > done > > something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?) > > > > No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you > were > > working on the ribs, as you should be." > > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, CA > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > 16 ribs done > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Looking for the Riblett letter..
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Hey Ryan: Thanks for your thoughts on the Riblett, and I agree with the 'Poor Saps" that live in CA... I am looking for a way OUT of this state after being born and raised here. I'm sick of the Tom Foolery in Sacramento... it is beyond the point of no return. My main problem is I don't have a plane yet that I can fly outta state! Thanks again on the=airfoil feedback. My main issue is trying to get more lift efficiently for my larger than BHP body... Mark On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Mark, > > I would agreed with Don and Greg about Mr. Riblett's thoughts on the Piet > airfoil....while certainly interesting, they should be viewed with the > understanding that they are purely theoretical. Riblett never built or flew > a Pietenpol with his airfoil to prove his claims. The empirical knowledge > provided by 80 years of Pietenpol airfoils flying around would tend to > indicate that the negative characteristics he outlines are exaggerated to > non-existent. As far as how much of a benefit you will actually see from the > Riblett...I would say you have to look to Lowell for that, as he is the only > one (despite all the talk about the Riblett) to have actually flown a Piet > with the airfoil (that I have heard of, at least). > > Don't worry about those of us that have to deal with good ole' winter. We > get to sit here and be glad we're not one of "those poor saps" that live in > California! (Sorry Mark, Gary, Chris, Jim, et al.....couldn't resist) > > Have a good night, > > Ryan > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Oh Man! 26" of snow! It's one thing to read about the news and think >> "those poor saps!" It's another to know one of "those poor saps!" I hope >> you dig out soon! >> >> I appreciate your comments about the original Piet airfoil. I know this >> topic has seen quite a bit of discussion over the years (the earliest posts >> I saw were from '98 or '99), and I wasn't trying to kick over the safety >> issue again, although I do appreciate the comments. >> >> My thought was what Riblett said about the contrast of the 2 airfoils. I >> did not remember some of the issues involved. I know for me, at 6'4" and >> "two-hundred-and-none-your-business" fat pounds (Ok, 245 lbs with no clothes >> to cover the natural good looks of my fat), I am building the 613.5 because >> I remember seeing something that said it would have better lifting power in >> hot weather, something we get nothing BUT in the summers in Central >> California. >> >> As I see it, a design that has stood the test of over 80 years is not >> something you make great changes to unless there is a specific need (as in >> making the cockpit fit yer body, and making the wing better for your >> weight). Some would even argue that if that is the issue, find a plane that >> fits better. But after some 20 years of looking, this one meets almost all >> the criteria I need most: build at your own pay-comfort level, reliable, >> LSA, 2 seats and cool looking (well, cool enuf!) >> >> Thanks for the feedback! >> >> Mark >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Don Emch wrote: >> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> This is the first time I've seen this letter. I'm very certain Mr. >>> Riblett is very knowledgeable on his designs, but I have to disagree with >>> him on his comments about Mr. Pietenpol's airfoil. My Piet by no means has >>> a sharp stall. It is very benign and very predictable. It is also very >>> very slow, especially with a touch of power. The most surprising part of >>> the letter is "Indeed, due to safety considerations, we strongly recommend >>> this substitution." I could see if the Pietenpol had been plagued with >>> stall accidents over the past 80 years, but it really hasn't. If there had >>> been any complaints about a bad stall characteristic, which I've never >>> heard, it was probably due to a rearward cg, which some Piets have. Please >>> don't let anyone fool you. A properly built Pietenpol is a safe, docile, >>> honest, and FUN airplane! >>> >>> I was all set to fly this weekend with the skis, but that 6" to 8" of >>> snow we were forcasted to get turned into 26"!! Little too deep! >>> >>> Don Emch >>> NX899DE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285280#285280 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> * >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: handheld radios
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Sorry Clif, my memory didn't serve me very well (old age). I do remember seeing somewhere the use of a Delcom end mount, but guess it wasn't the flybaby site. Gene in miserable, rainy Tennessee N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Where? I checked various photo pages, especialy the "instrument panel" one and there's nothing like a delcom in there at all. There is one small modern style that's been sunk into the surface. Also, back in the good ol days, Delcom had a panel mount kit that fit in a 3 1/4" instrument hole. Dean Sevold, in Naniamo, has one in his Piet. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Clif, take a look on the Fly Baby Yahoo site. I believe someone mounted the same radio and posted a photo of it. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Since I'm building an old time plane and have to have a radio ( and mode C transponder ) I would really prefer that this stuff is as unobtrusive as possible. So I purposely bought an old Delcom with all the controls on the end. I spent hours trying to figure out where to put that *&#% transponder so that I could see the numbers and work the dials. I think it's going down on the side by my right leg lying against the diagonal. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different plane (mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion here. I'm not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary radio. I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld versus a panel mount. Maybe they are best for open cockpit? Boyce href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Release Date: 02/09/10 11:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Release Date: 02/09/10 19:35:00 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - Release Date: 02/10/10 11:38:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/11/10 16:09:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
If you are easily offended, turn back now! I recently installed and applied tension to my drag/anti drag cables. A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on the matter and several people said to tighten them to a note of G. I thought they were joking at first, but as more people concurred, I realized they were serious. So, I recorded a G note from my PC on to my phone and took it to the hangar. Once I tightened a cable to this tone, I stopped and used a tensiometer to check the tension. It registered ~185 pounds. Having never done this, I wasn't sure if that was reasonable or not... again, just using the G note approach. To confirm, I called my friendly A&P and asked him about the G note method as well as the 185 pound reading. He said that the G note is a good rule of thumb and that 180 - 190 pounds isn't unreasonable either. He said that the cables on his Fokker's landing gear are in that range. So, having said all this, what do you guys think? I've got all 4 cables in the left wing panel adjusted, but not safety wired. Before I proceed, would anyone have any concerns with my readings? Too tight? Not tight enough? I will say this... the tensiometer is very repeatable, but a fellow can chase his tail all day trying to get each cable exactly the same. Mine are all within a few pounds of each other, which I believe is good enough. Speaking of chasing tail... I think I will use this method the next time I need to check cables (see photo). Not overly scientific, but certainly a lot easier on the senses. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286425#286425 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rig_tensiometer_165.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
That is for sure the most accurate tensiometer I have ever seen. mmmw -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286431#286431 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack Phillips
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Barry, Is this article online or available somewhere else? Thanks, Jack DSM Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack Phillips Jack Got my new issue of Sportsman Pilot yesterday and as always, sat down to read it from cover to cover. It started out with a good article about fellow EAA Director Susan Dusenbury and her Stinson project. As I made my way through the magazine, I was pleased to see your smiling face and a great multi-page article on you and your Pietenpol. Jack and Golda do a great job with this pub;ication and your article was no exception. I had heard the story of your off airport landing, but never did know the cause until now. We are all glad you took the time to fix it back and lead the Pietenpol charge. Got about 4" of snow last night (the most we have had in 8 or 9 years) and I love it. Almost hate to leave tomorrow for an EAA Fun Cruise to the Bahamas with our local chapter, but hey..........somebody's gotta do it! Sun n Fun Bound Barry Davis BIG PIET NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack Phillips
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Jack, For twelve dollars, you get a whole year of this excellent publication. It's only four issues, but in my opinion, it is the best grassroots aviation magazine available. www.sportsmanpilot.com Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM, "Jack" wrote: > Barry, > Is this article online or available somewhere else? > Thanks, > Jack > DSM > > Jack Textor > 29 SW 58th Drive > Des Moines, IA 50312 > www.textors.com > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:06 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack > Phillips > > Jack > Got my new issue of Sportsman Pilot yesterday and as always, sat > down to read it from cover to cover. It started out with a good > article about fellow EAA Director Susan Dusenbury and her Stinson > project. As I made my way through the magazine, I was pleased to see > your smiling face and a great multi-page article on you and your > Pietenpol. Jack and Golda do a great job with this pub;ication and > your article was no exception. I had heard the story of your off > airport landing, but never did know the cause until now. We are all > glad you took the time to fix it back and lead the Pietenpol charge. > > Got about 4" of snow last night (the most we have had in 8 or 9 > years) and I love it. Almost hate to leave tomorrow for an EAA Fun > Cruise to the Bahamas with our local chapter, but > hey..........somebody's gotta do it! > > Sun n Fun Bound > Barry Davis > BIG PIET NX973BP > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Completion Photo
We finally had some decent flying weather today. I flew the Baby Ace for a little over an hour and did 8 landings. I was tempted to take the Pietenpol up, but the right people weren't present. I'm going to shoot for Wed, Thur, or Fri AM. More photos to follow! Ben Charvet NX866BC Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Feb flight 015 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Completion Photo
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
You lucky dog. She's a beauty!! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286444#286444 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Completion Photo
Great looking plane Ben. Where are you located? I am in Lagrange, Ga. and during my taxi test today I did break the ground a couple of feet. My plane is ready ro fly but i'm not. Too Cold untill I cover the front Pit. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 5:50:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Completion Photo We finally had some decent flying weather today. I flew the Baby Ace for a little over an hour and did 8 landings. I was tempted to take the Pietenpol up, but the right people weren't present. I'm going to shoot for Wed, Thur, or Fri AM. More photos to follow! Ben Charvet NX866BC Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Feb flight 015 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: venturi mounting location
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Ken; check the 2nd picture down the page, here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html However, I don't have a vacuum gauge so I have no idea how much it pulls. It does seem to do fine though, driving the vertical speed indicator and the turn-and-bank. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Mark: I think 185# is way too high. My EAA tech counselor told me not to go above 40# with the 3/32" cable that I used. I have read that the Bowers Fly Baby plans say to tighten as tight as you can by using your fingers, then go one more turn. In my case that worked about to about 35-40#. Sound wise, the cables don't ping and are not tight enough to really produce a note. They are just tight enough too feel secure. Regards, Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net> > To: > Date: 2/14/2010 2:52:41 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > > > If you are easily offended, turn back now! > > I recently installed and applied tension to my drag/anti drag cables. A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on the matter and several people said to tighten them to a note of G. I thought they were joking at first, but as more people concurred, I realized they were serious. So, I recorded a G note from my PC on to my phone and took it to the hangar. Once I tightened a cable to this tone, I stopped and used a tensiometer to check the tension. It registered ~185 pounds. Having never done this, I wasn't sure if that was reasonable or not... again, just using the G note approach. > > To confirm, I called my friendly A&P and asked him about the G note method as well as the 185 pound reading. He said that the G note is a good rule of thumb and that 180 - 190 pounds isn't unreasonable either. He said that the cables on his Fokker's landing gear are in that range. > > So, having said all this, what do you guys think? I've got all 4 cables in the left wing panel adjusted, but not safety wired. Before I proceed, would anyone have any concerns with my readings? Too tight? Not tight enough? > > I will say this... the tensiometer is very repeatable, but a fellow can chase his tail all day trying to get each cable exactly the same. Mine are all within a few pounds of each other, which I believe is good enough. > > Speaking of chasing tail... I think I will use this method the next time I need to check cables (see photo). Not overly scientific, but certainly a lot easier on the senses. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286425#286425 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rig_tensiometer_165.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
I'll be darn... really? I am using 1/8" 7x19 cable... anyone else think I'm over tightening? If so, can anyone else offer their techniques or suggestions? I know I just read about this stuff not too long ago. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286464#286464 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 14, 2010
According to AC43-13 3/32 cable has a minimum breaking strength of 920 pounds. 1/8 inch 7 X 19 has a strength of either 1760 lbs or 2000 lbs. I was taught in A+P school to use the twanging method. If the cables are too slack they will deform and not provide the structural stability they installed for. Mike McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > > I'll be darn... really? I am using 1/8" 7x19 cable... anyone else think > I'm over tightening? If so, can anyone else offer their techniques or > suggestions? I know I just read about this stuff not too long ago. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286464#286464 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 14, 2010
185 lbs is way, way too high. Most aircraft flight control cables are in the 25-35 lb range. You are going to deform something for certain, and break something possibly. for a cable that is a stay, hand tight is more than enough. There is certainly no reason to go to any particular tension. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: K5YAC<mailto:hangar10(at)cox.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > If you are easily offended, turn back now! I recently installed and applied tension to my drag/anti drag cables. A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on the matter and several people said to tighten them to a note of G. I thought they were joking at first, but as more people concurred, I realized they were serious. So, I recorded a G note from my PC on to my phone and took it to the hangar. Once I tightened a cable to this tone, I stopped and used a tensiometer to check the tension. It registered ~185 pounds. Having never done this, I wasn't sure if that was reasonable or not... again, just using the G note approach. To confirm, I called my friendly A&P and asked him about the G note method as well as the 185 pound reading. He said that the G note is a good rule of thumb and that 180 - 190 pounds isn't unreasonable either. He said that the cables on his Fokker's landing gear are in that range. So, having said all this, what do you guys think? I've got all 4 cables in the left wing panel adjusted, but not safety wired. Before I proceed, would anyone have any concerns with my readings? Too tight? Not tight enough? I will say this... the tensiometer is very repeatable, but a fellow can chase his tail all day trying to get each cable exactly the same. Mine are all within a few pounds of each other, which I believe is good enough. Speaking of chasing tail... I think I will use this method the next time I need to check cables (see photo). Not overly scientific, but certainly a lot easier on the senses. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286425#286425 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286425#286425> Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rig_tensiometer_165.jpg matronics.com//files/rig_tensiometer_165.jpg> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
You guys must have hands like the son of Jor-El (Superman). I am a fairly large and reasonably strong young whipper snapper, but hand tightening leaves my 1/8" cables sagging slightly. I certainly wouldn't think this is correct. I would think they should be taut, but I have yet to read anything that indicates proper tension other than the twang method. When I tension enough to resonate at an audible level (more particularly, a G note), the tensiometer reads 180-190. I checked the tension after each adjustment. Hand tight read near to zero pounds (still a bit slack). Even when I got around 40 pounds, I would consider them a bit loose. I think I would prefer that my drag/anti-drag cables be at least taught. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286485#286485 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 14, 2010
If everything was made of steel 185 might be reasonable but I certainly don't want to subject my wood stab and rudder to that kind of force. If I could just find a few G notes somewhere, I'd be a happy man. So that tensionometers mother doesn't happen to be free tonight does she? By the way, which G are we talking about? Every octave has a G you know. Clif "There are many tunes still to be written in the Key of C." Arnold Schoenberg > Mark: > I think 185# is way too high. My EAA tech counselor told me not to go > above > 40# with the 3/32" cable that I used. I have read that the Bowers Fly Baby > plans say to tighten as tight as you can by using your fingers, then go > one > more turn. In my case that worked about to about 35-40#. Sound wise, the > cables don't ping and are not tight enough to really produce a note. They > are just tight enough too feel secure. > > Regards, > Rick Schreiber > Valparaiso, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
A selection of posts from the archives by those who have been there, done that...in no particular order: -------------- "Tension by ear is much more accurate than any gauge. Tighten slowly and evenly until you hear a "FWANG" Don't keep tightening till you start hearing any kind of tone like a PING. It's really pretty easy." Dick N. -------------- "A nice "Thummmm..." is what you want. The main thing is to have each of the wires produce pretty close to the same note, with the wing trammelled and true. You can measure the tension in the wires by using some kind of a force gage to indicate the amount of force required top deflect the center of each wire a certain distance, but that is probably overkill, and not likely to be much better than just plunking them and listening for the note." Jack Phillips -------------- "I tensioned mine using the same method of twanging as prescribed by my local A&P and IA guys who work on old airplanes all the time. They merely advised me to tension them approximately the same key of G minor, just below middle C. Actually they said make them tight and make them sound about the same when you twang them. No real rocket science needed here." Mike C. -------------- Good luck! Ryan On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:52 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > You guys must have hands like the son of Jor-El (Superman). I am a fairly > large and reasonably strong young whipper snapper, but hand tightening > leaves my 1/8" cables sagging slightly. I certainly wouldn't think this is > correct. > > I would think they should be taut, but I have yet to read anything that > indicates proper tension other than the twang method. When I tension enough > to resonate at an audible level (more particularly, a G note), the > tensiometer reads 180-190. I checked the tension after each adjustment. > Hand tight read near to zero pounds (still a bit slack). Even when I got > around 40 pounds, I would consider them a bit loose. I think I would prefer > that my drag/anti-drag cables be at least taught. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286485#286485 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Right Clif... I am listening for the first audible G, so the lowest one. I wish I knew more about the other tensiometer... sorry I can't help ya out. [quote="CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca"] If everything was made of steel 185 might be reasonable but I certainly don't want to subject my wood stab and rudder to that kind of force. If I could just find a few G notes somewhere, I'd be a happy man. So that tensionometers mother doesn't happen to be free tonight does she? By the way, which G are we talking about? Every octave has a G you know. Clif -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286489#286489 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Thanks Ryan, that is some of the stuff I read a few weeks ago, but I'm pretty sure there was other stuff about a G note. Perhaps I made that part up in my head. Ha ha! I guess I could go back and adjust my turnbuckles down a bit. I guess I'll just listen for an equal resonating tone all around. Sure wish I knew what a reasonable "pounds" indication would be. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286493#286493 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2010
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Gene, I think that you are talking about control cables and while Mark is talking about Drag/Anti-Drag cables in the wings. Very different tensions. Dave Gene Rambo wrote: > 185 lbs is way, way too high. Most aircraft flight control cables are > in the 25-35 lb range. You are going to deform something for certain, > and break something possibly. for a cable that is a stay, hand tight > is more than enough. There is certainly no reason to go to any > particular tension. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* K5YAC > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:50 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > > > > > If you are easily offended, turn back now! > > I recently installed and applied tension to my drag/anti drag > cables. A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on the matter > and several people said to tighten them to a note of G. I thought > they were joking at first, but as more people concurred, I > realized they were serious. So, I recorded a G note from my PC on > to my phone and took it to the hangar. Once I tightened a cable > to this tone, I stopped and used a tensiometer to check the > tension. It registered ~185 pounds. Having never done this, I > wasn't sure if that was reasonable or not... again, just using the > G note approach. > > To confirm, I called my friendly A&P and asked him about the G > note method as well as the 185 pound reading. He said that the G > note is a good rule of thumb and that 180 - 190 pounds isn't > unreasonable either. He said that the cables on his Fokker's > landing gear are in that range. > > So, having said all this, what do you guys think? I've got all 4 > cables in the left wing panel adjusted, but not safety wired. > Before I proceed, would anyone have any concerns with my > readings? Too tight? Not tight enough? > > I will say this... the tensiometer is very repeatable, but a > fellow can chase his tail all day trying to get each cable exactly > the same. Mine are all within a few pounds of each other, which I > believe is good enough. > > Speaking of chasing tail... I think I will use this method the > next time I need to check cables (see photo). Not overly > scientific, but certainly a lot easier on the senses. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2010
I think you guys may be thinking more along the lines of G-string as opposed to G note. By the way, in the long run that pictured tensiometer will cost you a lot more than your airplane ever will. [Rolling Eyes] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286502#286502 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Hahaha! Now what could possibly bring you to that conclusion. :-) Tensionometer? How about this one? Clif > > I think you guys may be thinking more along the lines of G-string as > opposed to G note. > > By the way, in the long run that pictured tensiometer will cost you a lot > more than your airplane ever will. [Rolling Eyes] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2010
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Being a musician, I think that-adjust the cable tension using a specific note, is not the way to go. Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: venturi mounting location
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Gene asked- >vertical speed run off of a venturi?????????? No, sorry; my goof. The tensiometer is the other instrument that runs off the venturi in NX41CC ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Adjust cables so they are snug.They are there to assist the struts in maint aining wing integrity not there as a main support.Mine make a thug sound.I used no measuring device for this.My AME said they are to be snug,that's al l.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: santiago moret e =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, February 15, 2010 6:43:49 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiome ter and G Note=0A=0A=0ABeing a musician, I think that-adjust the cable te nsion using a specific note, is not the way to go.=0ASaludos=0A=0ASantiago =0A________________________________=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Y =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Here are two that are in common use for sailboats. And before you get to thinking that marine use can't be as precision, etc., as aircraft, take it from me: they are, these days. http://www.apsltd.com/p-5732-standard-tension-gauge-332-532.aspx http://www.apsltd.com/p-5794-pro-tension-gauge-332-532.aspx I use the less expensive one on my sailboat. The company has been a reliable supplier for years. Other than as a customer, I have no relationship with them. David Paule ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 15, 2010
No, I know what he is talking about. If anything, control cables need to be tighter than the drag/anti drag cables which I correctly referred to as "stays". As someone else said on here, they only need to hold the wings in position, not hold them together. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave and Connie<mailto:dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > Gene, I think that you are talking about control cables and while Mark is talking about Drag/Anti-Drag cables in the wings. Very different tensions. Dave Gene Rambo wrote: > 185 lbs is way, way too high. Most aircraft flight control cables are > in the 25-35 lb range. You are going to deform something for certain, > and break something possibly. for a cable that is a stay, hand tight > is more than enough. There is certainly no reason to go to any > particular tension. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* K5YAC > > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:50 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > > >> > > If you are easily offended, turn back now! > > I recently installed and applied tension to my drag/anti drag > cables. A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on the matter > and several people said to tighten them to a note of G. I thought > they were joking at first, but as more people concurred, I > realized they were serious. So, I recorded a G note from my PC on > to my phone and took it to the hangar. Once I tightened a cable > to this tone, I stopped and used a tensiometer to check the > tension. It registered ~185 pounds. Having never done this, I > wasn't sure if that was reasonable or not... again, just using the > G note approach. > > To confirm, I called my friendly A&P and asked him about the G > note method as well as the 185 pound reading. He said that the G > note is a good rule of thumb and that 180 - 190 pounds isn't > unreasonable either. He said that the cables on his Fokker's > landing gear are in that range. > > So, having said all this, what do you guys think? I've got all 4 > cables in the left wing panel adjusted, but not safety wired. > Before I proceed, would anyone have any concerns with my > readings? Too tight? Not tight enough? > > I will say this... the tensiometer is very repeatable, but a > fellow can chase his tail all day trying to get each cable exactly > the same. Mine are all within a few pounds of each other, which I > believe is good enough. > > Speaking of chasing tail... I think I will use this method the > next time I need to check cables (see photo). Not overly > scientific, but certainly a lot easier on the senses. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Wow, really? Why even have them at all? > "If anything, control cables need to be tighter than the drag/anti drag cables which I correctly referred to as "stays"." > > Gene > -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286554#286554 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
I believe they are there to prevent the wing from warping.The struts can tw ist but the cables only allow so much and then hold them in place.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>=0AT o: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:00:11 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note=0A=0A--> Piete npol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" =0A=0AWow, really? - Why even have them at all?- =0A=0A=0A> "If anything, control cables n eed to be tighter than the drag/anti drag cables which I correctly referred to as- "stays"."=0A>- =0A>- Gene=0A> =0A=0A=0A--------=0AMark - work ing on wings=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
The stays are there to move the fore and aft loads to the root of the wing. To make them tight just adds load to the compression struts. When just long enough they add no load on the compression strut. When load is added fore or aft, the load moves thru the stay to the next compression strut. The compression strut would be more likely to crush if it is already pre-loaded . The wing cannot bow if as soon as it starts to load the wires go tight. That's assuming the wires don't stretch. Howdy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Being a half/a?? musician I tuned the drags to F# and the Anti drags to Bb in order to enjoy a pleasant musical chord while flying 41CC. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Corky, what'd you do, leave the after-game party early? Gene in snowy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tensiometer and G Note Being a half/a?? musician I tuned the drags to F# and the Anti drags to Bb in order to enjoy a pleasant musical chord while flying 41CC. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/15/10 07:35:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Mark, It my understanding that they keep the wing from "bending" fore and aft, spanwise. That's why they are often referred to as "drag/anti- drag" wires. There are ways around using them, but they're simple, effective, light weight and more importantly, traditional. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:00 PM, "K5YAC" wrote: > > Wow, really? Why even have them at all? > > >> "If anything, control cables need to be tighter than the drag/anti >> drag cables which I correctly referred to as "stays"." >> >> Gene >> > > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286554#286554 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 15, 2010
When I rebuilt my Aeronca wings, I couldn't find anything on how tight to get the drag/anti-drag wires. I called the Aeronca guru, Bill Pancake. He said he talked to Aeronca factory workers years ago about this because he could find no literature on it. They told him to go by the "rule of thumb". The "rule of thumb" according to them is to put your thumb between the wires where they cross and use the other hand to tight them until it just starts to hurt, then go no more. It's funny because there is a point where you just all of the sudden start to feel a slight pain. It really doesn't need much. If you put too much load on them all it does is put a huge amount of compression load on both the compression struts and spars for no real reason. All they do is keep things square. No need to put much pre-load on them. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286573#286573 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Austin Visit's a Go, Sunday 17 Jan, ETA Lockhart 1130
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Sure did. One of the guys at the Thursday EAA lunch told me there might be a spot at Georgetown Jet Center. There was! U-hauled all the hangar stuff up last week. Will try to get a ride to Houston to move the piet this weekend. Nice airport. The hangar's beautiful. I've moved up in the world. Will miss the grass, though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286577#286577 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Don: This is probably the best description of what is required. I struggled with the same thing when I was building my wings. I finally came to the conclusion that it is not rocket science. The drag/anti-drag wires just need to be snug. Over tightening them puts undue strain on the wing and adds nothing to the structural integrity. Again, on my wings I tightened the turnbuckles as tight as I could by finger pressure alone. Then I went one more turn. This gave me a tension of 35-40#. Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com> > To: > Date: 2/15/2010 4:26:12 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note > > > When I rebuilt my Aeronca wings, I couldn't find anything on how tight to get the drag/anti-drag wires. I called the Aeronca guru, Bill Pancake. He said he talked to Aeronca factory workers years ago about this because he could find no literature on it. They told him to go by the "rule of thumb". The "rule of thumb" according to them is to put your thumb between the wires where they cross and use the other hand to tight them until it just starts to hurt, then go no more. It's funny because there is a point where you just all of the sudden start to feel a slight pain. It really doesn't need much. If you put too much load on them all it does is put a huge amount of compression load on both the compression struts and spars for no real reason. All they do is keep things square. No need to put much pre-load on them. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286573#286573 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: It's Netflix Time!!! TGWP!!!
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Hello, good people! The Great Waldo Pepper is now available to watch online via Netflix. My life is now complete. :) If you don't have a Netflix account, now you have a reason to get one. Right now, it's only available online. Good enough for me. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: It's Netflix Time!!! TGWP!!!
Is it widescreen? > > >Hello, good people! > >The Great Waldo Pepper is now available to watch online via Netflix. >My life is now complete. :) > >If you don't have a Netflix account, now you have a reason to get one. > >Right now, it's only available online. Good enough for me. > >Wayne Bressler Jr. >Taildraggers, Inc. >taildraggersinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack Phillips
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Thanks Barry. I wish I was going on a cruise. We got 5" of snow from that same storm, on top of the snow still on the ground from an 8" snowfall 2 weeks ago. I'm tired of this "southern winter". How many Big Piets will make it to Sun 'n' Fun this year? I'll be there the last couple of days, hopefully with my Pietenpol if the weather is good. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sportsman Pilot Article featuring Jack Phillips Jack Got my new issue of Sportsman Pilot yesterday and as always, sat down to read it from cover to cover. It started out with a good article about fellow EAA Director Susan Dusenbury and her Stinson project. As I made my way through the magazine, I was pleased to see your smiling face and a great multi-page article on you and your Pietenpol. Jack and Golda do a great job with this pub;ication and your article was no exception. I had heard the story of your off airport landing, but never did know the cause until now. We are all glad you took the time to fix it back and lead the Pietenpol charge. Got about 4" of snow last night (the most we have had in 8 or 9 years) and I love it. Almost hate to leave tomorrow for an EAA Fun Cruise to the Bahamas with our local chapter, but hey..........somebody's gotta do it! Sun n Fun Bound Barry Davis BIG PIET NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: TGWP on the Netflix
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Jeff, It looks widescreen to me. What do you think? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com

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From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: TGWP on the Netflix
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Jeff, It looks widescreen to me. What do you think? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com

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From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br>
Subject: Time to get out of the closet
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Hi everyone, first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't started yet. But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be welcome :) Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. Cheers from the south, Rodrigo Piet plans purchased Sun N Fun, almost there! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Oi e dia bom, Rodrigo! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Time to get out of the closet
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Rodrigo, Welcome! You & your Dad will have a great time building a Piet! Here's some free advice, though: First thing to do is go to Netflix.com and rent a copy of, "The Great Waldo Pepper." That way you will be able to communicate with all the fellow Pietenpol builders and flyers that you meet along the way... Seriously, this is a great group and you are at the right place to learn all you need. Once you get started you may even get a visit from The Great Jim Markle! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet Hi everyone, first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't started yet. But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be welcome :) Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. Cheers from the south, Rodrigo Piet plans purchased Sun N Fun, almost there! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 16, 2010
I think I caused more confusion than necessary with my "why use them at all" comment. I was being a little sarcastic. I understand the purpose and the need for the cables. I'm not really too hung up on the whole thing, I just haven't been able to find any definite answer on how tight these things should be. Yes, I have read all the replies here, and I do appreciate all the input. I've also read several other threads that have basically ended in the same conclusion, which is... there are several different techniques and a wide range of tensions that will obviously work. I also spoke to several experienced builders/technical advisors last night at our EAA meeting. None of them seemed to think that what I had done was necessarily wrong, or dangerous. The consensus was that I should have all the cables taut while maintaining the squareness of the wing. How taut? Again, that was up for debate... no one knew for sure. Given all of the input here, and from my discussions last night, I think I'll back my turnbuckles off a bit. I agree that there is no reason to apply excessive tension on the cables, this is just where I ended up using the "twang" method. I fully agree that some amount of tension (it will be my secret) is adequate for these cables to do their job and keep "drag" and "anit-drag" from distorting my airfoil. Agreed? Thanks again for all the input. On to the next piece of the puzzle. :) -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286637#286637 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 16, 2010
I think I caused more confusion than necessary with my "why use them at all" comment. I was being a little sarcastic. I understand the purpose and the need for the cables. I'm not really too hung up on the whole thing, I just haven't been able to find any definite answer on how tight these things should be. Yes, I have read all the replies here, and I do appreciate all the input. I've also read several other threads that have basically ended in the same conclusion, which is... there are several different techniques and a wide range of tensions that will obviously work. I also spoke to several experienced builders/technical advisors last night at our EAA meeting. None of them seemed to think that what I had done was necessarily wrong, or dangerous. The consensus was that I should have all the cables taut while maintaining the squareness of the wing. How taut? Again, that was up for debate... no one knew for sure. Given all of the input here, and from my discussions last night, I think I'll back my turnbuckles off a bit. I agree that there is no reason to apply excessive tension on the cables, this is just where I ended up using the "twang" method. I fully agree that some amount of tension (it will be my secret) is adequate for these cables to do their job and keep "drag" and "anit-drag" from distorting my airfoil. Agreed? Thanks again for all the input. On to the next piece of the puzzle. :) -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286636#286636 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Welcome, Rodrigo, Greg Menoche -----Original Message----- >From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br> >Sent: Feb 15, 2010 9:20 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet > > >Hi everyone, > >first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and >I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm >about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. >I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an >opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills >available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't >started yet. >But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , >and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. >The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and >my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet >some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is >coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be >welcome :) >Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. > >Cheers from the south, > >Rodrigo > >Piet plans purchased >Sun N Fun, almost there! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Rodrego, While you are Getting ready to build an American designed aircraft, I work on Brazilian Built aircraft. I work on Embraer 135, 140, 145 Jets. I have always wanted to go down to Brazil and check out the factory. Welcome to the club, enjoy your time at sun'n'fun and you will have a Blast both building, and flying the Pietenpol. Safe Journies, Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Subject: how did you fall in love Jack ?
Congratulations on your Sportsman Pilot article Jack. Hoping my issue i s waiting for me at home tonight. Funny how I've been friends with Jack for quite a while now thru the Pieten pol movement but only after visiting with him recently did it ever occur to me to actually a sk him what ever got him to building a Piet ? So Jack unless that question is answered in Jack Cox's article on you, coul d you tell us all how you first fell in love with the Pietenpol ? My story was pretty simple. Frank Pavliga gave me a ride in his Pietenpol and the view, the sensations, the whole experience made me sell my Champ so I'd have funds to start build ing a Pietenpol. So I gave up an enclosed cabin, 17 mph in cruise speed, cabin heat, and sex y wheel pants for a Pietenpol ! (well worth it) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Rodrigo: Welcome to the list! (Though I expect you will find this group to be a pretty boring bunch - always talking about what glass cockpit to put in or how to get more output from their two-stage supercharger. You know - stuff like that.) Tom S. N328X (someday) >>> Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira 2/15/2010 8:20 PM >>> Hi everyone, first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't started yet. But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be welcome :) Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. Cheers from the south, Rodrigo Piet plans purchased Sun N Fun, almost there! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: welcom Rodrigo!
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Bienvenidos Rodrigo! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Falling in love
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hi all you "good" people, Back in 1971, when I was driving away from the FBO at DPA, where I was tak ing my flying lessons, I saw out of the corner of my eye a beautiful sight . Slammed on the brakes and walked over to a Pietenpol that was tied down there. Couldn't believe how gorgeous this airplane was. Looked at the dat a plate to see what it was. That was it!! The desire to build one of those never left, and I finally realized my dream of starting to build in July of 2000. God willing, after 10 long years, I will fly this bird this year . Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Rodrigo, Welcome to the list. If you speak Spanish, maybe a good resource closer to home would be to contact Santiago Morete of Santa Rosa, Argentina moretes antiago(at)yahoo.com.ar He and his brother are building a Piet and they currently have it assemble d waiting for the engine. Good luck to you and your Dad. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br>
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Shad and everyone, thank you very much for the welcome. I'm probably like all of you guys here on the list. Everything about planes interests me, EVERYTHING :) This visit to Lakeland will be a good opportunity to shorten the distance. I hope that at least some of the guys can come down here someday, and I'll be happy to show you our aviation, history and planes. Feels really nice to be brothers....american design, brazilian planes, worldwide friends. best regards, Rodrigo Em 16/02/2010, s 14:23, shad bell escreveu: > > > Rodrego, While you are Getting ready to build an American designed > aircraft, I work on Brazilian Built aircraft. I work on Embraer > 135, 140, 145 Jets. I have always wanted to go down to Brazil and > check out the factory. Welcome to the club, enjoy your time at > sun'n'fun and you will have a Blast both building, and flying the > Pietenpol. > > Safe Journies, > Shad > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 16/02/2010 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note
Date: Feb 16, 2010
A long time ago I needed to ascertain the desired tension on something which was directly comparable to this. Turns out that optimum is no initial tension but zero slack, too. Some tension is better than some slack, so if you must, make the error that direction. The main purpose for initial tension is to overcome the effects of expansion or contraction. With metal airplanes that's usually due to temperature. With wood airplanes it might be a combination of temperature and humidity. I have no guidance for that, sorry. If it were my plane, I'd follow those rules of thumb that hurt - uh, that provide a moderate amount of initial tension, certainly not much. I have seen an old wood and wire fuselage that has damage due to excessive initial tension. Two main bulkheads have buckled. David Paule > > I think I caused more confusion than necessary with my "why use them at > all" comment. I was being a little sarcastic. > > I understand the purpose and the need for the cables. I'm not really too > hung up on the whole thing, I just haven't been able to find any definite > answer on how tight these things should be. Yes, I have read all the > replies here, and I do appreciate all the input. I've also read several > other threads that have basically ended in the same conclusion, which > is... there are several different techniques and a wide range of tensions > that will obviously work. I also spoke to several experienced > builders/technical advisors last night at our EAA meeting. None of them > seemed to think that what I had done was necessarily wrong, or dangerous. > The consensus was that I should have all the cables taut while maintaining > the squareness of the wing. How taut? Again, that was up for debate... > no one knew for sure. > > Given all of the input here, and from my discussions last night, I think > I'll back my turnbuckles off a bit. I agree that there is no reason to > apply excessive tension on the cables, this is just where I ended up using > the "twang" method. I fully agree that some amount of tension (it will be > my secret) is adequate for these cables to do their job and keep "drag" > and "anit-drag" from distorting my airfoil. Agreed? > > Thanks again for all the input. On to the next piece of the puzzle. :) > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286636#286636 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: how did you fall in love Jack ?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 16, 2010
I subscribed Sunday. I called the office today to make sure my subscription would start with the current issue... the fellow told me that 3 or 4 people subscribed on Sunday and our first issue (the one with Jack's article) went in the mail yesterday (Monday). I told him that I had not heard of the magazine until it was mentioned on the Pietenpol forum... looking forward to checking it out. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286704#286704 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Falling in love
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Dan, We share a similar story. The lower picture, in the attachment, was taken in 1973, when I flew my T-craft to an air show in central California. I said, "someday.." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Falling in love Hi all you "good" people, Back in 1971, when I was driving away from the FBO at DPA, where I was taking my flying lessons, I saw out of the corner of my eye a beautiful sight. Slammed on the brakes and walked over to a Pietenpol that was tied down there. Couldn't believe how gorgeous this airplane was. Looked at the data plate to see what it was. That was it!! The desire to build one of those never left, and I finally realized my dream of starting to build in July of 2000. God willing, after 10 long years, I will fly this bird this year. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Time to get out of the closet
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Great, Rodrigo! I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and if the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down. The usual gathering place for Pietenpol enthusiasts is the wood-working tent where you will meet such folks as Dick Navratil and PF Beck. They are usually there just about all day, every day. The rest of us come and go, but always check in a couple of times a day with them. Have you thought about what engine you will use on yours? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet Hi everyone, first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't started yet. But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be welcome :) Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. Cheers from the south, Rodrigo Piet plans purchased Sun N Fun, almost there! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Time to get out of the closet
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Welcome, Rodrigo! I'm happy that you and your Dad have joined us. I'll be going to SNF, also, and would love to meet you both. Al Lyscars Manchester, New Hampshire, USA >>> Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira 2/15/2010 8:20 PM >>> Hi everyone, first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't started yet. But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be welcome :) Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. Cheers from the south, Rocom/Navigator?Pietenpol">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L - -Matt ======== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's Netflix Time!!! TGWP!!!
From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 17, 2010
I've never seen that movie but it has just made my favorites list. Thank you for mentioning it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286766#286766 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br>
Subject: Engine choice
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Hi Jack, it's good that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point where some input from experts is needed. In concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane. The only and probably "ruling out" problem is: there are no corvairs in Brazil. My country has the nasty habit to tax it's citizens til we bleed, so building and maintaining based on parts brought from the US is not an option. Than there is the continental family. Until the 1960 decade, we had a local designed plane called P-56C "Paulistinha" that used the C90. Almost every flight school in the country used that plane and they were produced in a good number, so there are some good blocks around, and that was my initial option. On the modern side, I though of a rebuildable 0-200. There is a guy here who used a Rotax-912 in his piet, but, besides the price, it just doesn't sound 1930 enough for me. What do you guys say? C90 x O 200 x "are you nuts?" Rodrigo Em 17/02/2010, s 00:13, Jack Phillips escreveu: > > > > Great, Rodrigo! I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, > and if > the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down. The usual > gathering > place for Pietenpol enthusiasts is the wood-working tent where you > will meet > such folks as Dick Navratil and PF Beck. They are usually there > just about > all day, every day. The rest of us come and go, but always check in a > couple of times a day with them. > > Have you thought about what engine you will use on yours? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Rodrigo > Liberato de Oliveira > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet > > > > Hi everyone, > > first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and > I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm > about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. > I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an > opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills > available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't > started yet. > But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , > and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. > The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and > my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet > some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is > coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be > welcome :) > Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. > > Cheers from the south, > > Rodrigo > > Piet plans purchased > Sun N Fun, almost there! > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 16/02/2010 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Engine choice
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Frankly, I think the C90 or O-200 is an ideal choice for a Pietenpol. I have an A65 Continental on mine and there are days (particularly in the summer) when I wish I had a bit more power. One of the best options is a C90 or C85 with an O-200 crankshaft in it. Check out Harry Fenton's website - he is THE expert on small Continentals: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice Hi Jack, it's good that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point where some input from experts is needed. In concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane. The only and probably "ruling out" problem is: there are no corvairs in Brazil. My country has the nasty habit to tax it's citizens til we bleed, so building and maintaining based on parts brought from the US is not an option. Than there is the continental family. Until the 1960 decade, we had a local designed plane called P-56C "Paulistinha" that used the C90. Almost every flight school in the country used that plane and they were produced in a good number, so there are some good blocks around, and that was my initial option. On the modern side, I though of a rebuildable 0-200. There is a guy here who used a Rotax-912 in his piet, but, besides the price, it just doesn't sound 1930 enough for me. What do you guys say? C90 x O 200 x "are you nuts?" Rodrigo Em 17/02/2010, =E0s 00:13, Jack Phillips escreveu: > > > Great, Rodrigo! I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, > and if > the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down. The usual > gathering > place for Pietenpol enthusiasts is the wood-working tent where you > will meet > such folks as Dick Navratil and PF Beck. They are usually there > just about > all day, every day. The rest of us come and go, but always check in a > couple of times a day with them. > > Have you thought about what engine you will use on yours? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Rodrigo > Liberato de Oliveira > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet > > > > Hi everyone, > > first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and > I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm > about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. > I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an > opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills > available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't > started yet. > But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , > and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. > The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and > my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet > some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is > coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be > welcome :) > Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. > > Cheers from the south, > > Rodrigo > > Piet plans purchased > Sun N Fun, almost there! > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 16/02/2010 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Mike Hardaway
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Sorry List, Mike, the email I have for you is being returned. Please contact me at: gboothe5(at)comcast.net. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down...) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 17, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Engine choice
How many Model A cars, trucks, etc. did Henry sell in Brazil? Given Rodrigo's concerns, this might be the most abundant powerplant! >Frankly, I think the C90 or O-200 is an ideal choice for a Pietenpol. I >have an A65 Continental on mine and there are days (particularly in the >summer) when I wish I had a bit more power. > >One of the best options is a C90 or C85 with an O-200 crankshaft in it. >Check out Harry Fenton's website - he is THE expert on small Continentals: >http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm > >Good luck! > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine choice
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 17, 2010
At least you are sensible Rodrigo! :D ditoliberato(at)terra.com wrote: > > In concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286834#286834 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 17, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Engine choice
If your idea is be be authentic then you need a Ford model A engine or a Co rvair.Expensive and out of reach.If you want to fly then get what ever work s and you can afford,put it in and FLY.Think of what Bernard would have don e.His idea was for the average guy to build a plane in his backyard and fly it.He did not mean for us to copy him every step of the way.He even made c hanges along the way ,modify here,modify there.Home builders are innovative and resourceful.Use what you can get or find,scrouge.Do what ever it takes but the end result is to get into the air and enjoy.That's my take on it f or what it's worth.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira =0ATo: pietenpol-li st(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, February 17, 2010 1:35:43 PM=0ASubject: Piete Liberato de Oliveira =0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0Ait's g ood that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point where some in put from experts is needed.=0AIn concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane.=0AThe only and probably "ruling out" problem is: there are no corvairs in Brazil. My country has the nasty habit to tax=0Ait's citizens til we bleed, so bui lding and maintaining based on parts brought from the US is not an option. =0AThan there is the continental family. Until the 1960 decade, we had a lo cal designed plane called P-56C "Paulistinha" that used the C90.=0AAlmost e very flight school in the country used that plane and they were produced in a good number, so there are some good blocks around, and that was my initi al=0Aoption. On the modern side, I though of a rebuildable 0-200. There is a guy here who used a Rotax-912 in his piet, but, besides the price,=0Ait j ust doesn't sound 1930 enough for me.=0AWhat do you guys say?=0AC90 x O 200 x "are you nuts?"=0A=0ARodrigo=0A=0AEm 17/02/2010, =E0s 00:13, Jack Philli pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>=0A> =0A> Great, Rodrigo!- I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and if=0A> the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down.- The usual gathering=0A> place for Pietenpol enthusia sts is the wood-working tent where you will meet=0A> such folks as Dick Nav ratil and PF Beck.- They are usually there just about=0A> all day, every day.- The rest of us come and go, but always check in a=0A> couple of tim es a day with them.=0A> =0A> Have you thought about what engine you will us e on yours?=0A> =0A> Jack Phillips=0A> NX899JP=0A> Raleigh, NC=0A> =0A> --- --Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrig o=0A> Liberato de Oliveira=0A> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM=0A> erato de Oliveira=0A> =0A> =0A> Hi everyone,=0A> =0A> first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira an d=0A> I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm=0A > about to start a Piet project. Plans already here.=0A> I've been followin g the list for a while now, quite anxious for an=0A> opportunity- to cont ribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills=0A> available at the mom ent were of use, specially because I haven't=0A> started yet.=0A> But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping ,=0A> and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year.=0A> The show i tself would be a dream come true already, but since me and=0A> my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet=0A> some of you guy s there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is=0A> coming with me, but h e speaks no english at all, so patience will be=0A> welcome :)=0A> Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows.=0A> =0A> Cheers from the south,=0A> =0A> Rodrigo=0A> =0A> Piet plans purchased=0A> Sun N Fun, almos t there!=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Esta mensage m foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra.=0A> Atualizado em 16/02/2010 ==================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Mike Hardaway
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Hi Gary, I guess I have been remiss on spreading the word on my email change. It is now: papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com Give it a try now. Mike > _____________________________________________ > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Boothe > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:53 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Hardaway > > Sorry List, > > Mike, the email I have for you is being returned. Please contact me at: > gboothe5(at)comcast.net. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down=85) > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Engine choice
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Rodrigo: There is a felow I think his name is Ronnie Correa in Brazil building Aero-Corvairs and parts for sale, May be worth touching base with him http://images.corvair.multiply.com/ And other alternaitve is perhaps Altair Coelho's VW AP 2000 4 cyl inline conversion. http://www.altaircoelho.com.br/ac53fotos.html?Submit2=Fotos+AC+53 Note the nice Franklin 85 he has for sale also. http://www.mataddesign.com/asas/mecan.htm Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira" <ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br> > > Hi Jack, > > it's good that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point > where some input from experts is needed. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leather
Date: Feb 17, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso wou ld interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome , 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leather
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Boy are you stupid, Dan. You forgot to paint that cowling before installing the leather and lacing it in place. Now you've got to take it off, paint it and re-lace the leather. Your easy method may make that an easy task, but I'd just as soon stick a fork in my eye as to have to re-lace my cockpit coaming. Just kidding - looks great! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leather
Date: Feb 17, 2010
That is one good-looking guy alright, but I think he's the guy who told Dorothy to follow the yellow brick road. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leathe
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 17, 2010
You mean this guy? Yeah, 5' 8" seems about right, but I'm think he's fudging a bit on the 150# comment. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286886#286886 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wizard_of_oz_w16munchkinland_149.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leathe
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture shows. Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286891#286891 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leathe
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 17, 2010
I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out, but dang it would be cool to be tucked down in there like you are. Might actually make it seem like "getting in" rather than "putting it on." taildrags wrote: > Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture shows. Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: how did you fall in love Jack
Date: Feb 17, 2010
My first post to this list was on September 27, 2001. Yes, that was only two weeks or so after the attacks on 9/11. I had only owned my own set of authentic Pietenpol family plans for a few weeks and was fully engulfed in the Piet mystique and appeal, and wanted to learn every thing I could about the airplane. I pulled out all of my old Sport Aviation magazines and everything else I could find on the Piet, and it was still not enough so I searched the net and found this list. My life has never been the same since. It was here on the list that I found Corky Corbett, and here that I happened to be in the right place at the right time to receive the handoff of NX41CC from Corky's hands to mine. What a joy, what a blessing Corky and his airplane have been to me and to my aviating life. To go back just a little, I was introduced to the Piet by Ernie Moreno. I was living in Oregon in 2001 and Ernie had come down to Medford to look over my Flying Squirrel project as an EAA Tech Counselor. I was immediately taken with Ernie and his genuine friendliness and his willingness to help me with my project, so when he extended an invitation for me to visit his place at Independence Airpark, I took him up on it and my friend Paul Martin, my daughter Janna and I flew up in Paul's Tri-Pacer to see Ernie's hangar and the EAA chapter's "Noon Patrol" Nieuport projects one weekend. Inside Ernie's hangar I saw his Piet and it was a downhill slide into Pietenpol bliss from that moment on. Just check out my facial expressions while sitting in Ernie's airplane here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html So that's my Valentine's Day love story! What's yours? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ernie Moreno" <ewmoreno(at)minetfiber.com>
Subject: Re: how did you fall in love Jack
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Wow, Oscar that was a long time ago. Still remember the day you came up from Medford. You were like a little kid in a candy shop. Well, the Piet lives on with a new overhaul on the old Franklin. I am currently finishing up a EAA project, the Indy Flyer . Will be doing the final build day with W&B next Tuesday and on to next project build (possible six DH-2s group build). Have located a Ford engine for the Piet's next adventure. After all it's sea level here. Thanks for the pics... Ernie Moreno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack > > > My first post to this list was on September 27, > 2001. Yes, that was only two weeks or so after > the attacks on 9/11. I had only owned my own > set of authentic Pietenpol family plans for a > few weeks and was fully engulfed in the Piet > mystique and appeal, and wanted to learn every > thing I could about the airplane. I pulled > out all of my old Sport Aviation magazines > and everything else I could find on the Piet, > and it was still not enough so I searched the > net and found this list. My life has never > been the same since. It was here on the list > that I found Corky Corbett, and here that I > happened to be in the right place at the right > time to receive the handoff of NX41CC from > Corky's hands to mine. What a joy, what a > blessing Corky and his airplane have been to me > and to my aviating life. > > To go back just a little, I was introduced to > the Piet by Ernie Moreno. I was living in > Oregon in 2001 and Ernie had come down to Medford > to look over my Flying Squirrel project as an > EAA Tech Counselor. I was immediately taken with > Ernie and his genuine friendliness and his > willingness to help me with my project, so when he > extended an invitation for me to visit his place > at Independence Airpark, I took him up on it and > my friend Paul Martin, my daughter Janna and I > flew up in Paul's Tri-Pacer to see Ernie's hangar > and the EAA chapter's "Noon Patrol" Nieuport > projects one weekend. Inside Ernie's hangar I saw > his Piet and it was a downhill slide into Pietenpol > bliss from that moment on. Just check out my > facial expressions while sitting in Ernie's airplane > here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html > > So that's my Valentine's Day love story! > What's yours? > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with
coaming leathe
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Well, I'm 5' 8" also and 155 lb. I sit almost exactly the same with a 1" foam on the seat. Clif "My soul is in the sky." ~ William Shakespeare > > I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out, > > > taildrags wrote: >> Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. >> I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but >> it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture >> shows. Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! > > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 14:30:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with
coaming leathe Nice to see how it fits. I am about that same size, (5'9" 165#)- My seat is lower then plans because I plan on using some thicker foam to sit on. To find the height I want, I'll just change the foam. - Looks nice! --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Clif Dawson wrote: From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference w ith coaming leathe Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:21 AM Well, I'm 5' 8" also and 155 lb. I sit almost exactly the same with a 1" foam on the seat. Clif "My soul is in the sky." ~ William Shakespeare > > I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out , >- > > taildrags wrote: >> Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. >> I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but >> it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture >> shows.- Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! > > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 14:30:00 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leather Dan, It looks like your position ~ your coaming, your clothing (insulated coveralls?) and your facial array are all set for winter flying. BRRR! The metal and leather look great, and you look well and pleased with it all. Good for you. Tim in central TX do not achive -----Original Message----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Feb 17, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Red Betsy?
A few years back, the topic of a movie called 'Red Betsy' came up on this list. I just asked my wife to add it to our NetFlix list, but NetFlix doesn't know anything about it. Does anybody know what happened to this one? I always thought the movie business was about 90 percent marketing, but that seems to be the exception here. Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
If a revolt starts this guy might be the revolter's first martyr! Sad thing for him, his family, and General Aviation. I do think we might need to see what AOPA and the EAA look at for reaction. Should we contact our elected reps and remind them that we fly planes and don't hit buildings! Indeed a Ryder rental truck could have done a great deal more damage. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
We should be thankful that a Piet wasn't used ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
Well, "Low and slow" might be interpreted as you were trying to sneak up on the target =) But then, if they did say low and slow everybody would be looking for the "Fly'n Chebby" ...Chrissi In a message dated 2/18/2010 12:52:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes: We=99re OK. It was described as, =9Clow and fast =9D Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Mich ael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office build ings with more than 2 stories. I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us little aeroplanes doing damage. _http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html_ (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html) do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
The answer is obvious- mandatory fences (with barbed wire) around all airports, Gov't security guards to interview all pilots as to state of mind before flight. As ridiculous as Dan=B9s premise sounds, that=B9s exactly what is being envisioned here in UK and wider across Europe. My simple Airstrip 1700=B9 X 100=B9 and set remotely at 520=B9 elevation way out in country side is muted to maybe require secure fencing and security presence through patrolling. I have 3 Aircraft based there. We already have an Annual Inspection of Site and Movements book by County Police Department responsible for Ports and UK Access. That has not been a problem but again, like you where is it going to lead. I hope a level headed investigation goe s into your incident. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
We're all going to have to check in two hours before our flight to clear TSA, and only after completion of a flight plan and the mandatory seven day waiting period. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287000#287000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
A ryder truck is cliche' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287001#287001 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JERRY GROGAN" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject: PIETEN-38
Date: Feb 18, 2010
In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me. Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it and put the thing on floats and get your multi, sea, land, instrument, and everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and controllable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get your complex, high performance too. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: PIETEN-38
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Cool! Two Corvairs gives double the chance of a crankshaft snapping _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY GROGAN Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me. Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Toushea Oscar... I could see that comeing..... > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38 > From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 18 Feb 2010 13:30:19 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it and put the thing on floats and get your multi=2C sea=2C land=2C instrument =2C and everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and c ontrollable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get your complex=2C high performance too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio=2C TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or not! However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third fuselage in the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be a 5-place airplane. Stinemetze N328X >>the Pieten-38. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: John Gaertner <jgaertner1(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner
Hello, I would like to introduce myself and invite anyone who is interested to visit our blog about our Air Camper build out. Anyone can visit and contribute to the blog at: http://pietenpolbuildingproject.blogspot.com/ . My firm, Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC specializes in building historical aircraft and parts is helping a local individual with his Model A powered Pietenpol Air Camper building project. My background is in the professional aviation museum field including a number of years as Curator of the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, home of the Pietenpol hangar and planes. Blue Swallow Aircraft LLC offers comprehensive wood working workshop for aircraft builders and covers everything from grading lumber to making steaming jigs and routing out profiles. You can learn more about our services at our web site. I look forward to reading your threads in the coming weeks and months. Sincerely, John Gaertner Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC www.BlueSwallowAircraft.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Well, Jerry, I can see two other minor problems with your concept (in addition to the "little stress on the tail"). One is the co-ordination of the two pilots. Getting them to both look left at the same time would be a challenge. Synchronized piloting? The other problem is the discontinuity of the shadow cast by such a craft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287035#287035 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner
John, Welcome aboard! You may want to include a link to Chris Tracey's website: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ There are tons of photos there that have helped a lot of builders. Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
Date: Feb 18, 2010
It could be more aptly named the Peiten-82, similar to the twin Mustang, F-82. Right? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote: > Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or > not! However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third > fuselage in the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be > a 5-place airplane. > > Stinemetze > N328X > > >>the Pieten-38. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: John Gaertner <jgaertner1(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner
Take a look, it is done! Thank you! That is what we are looking for... John Gaertner Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Sky Scout?
Date: Feb 18, 2010
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1259 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout?
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Fly Baby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Silvius<mailto:silvius(at)gwi.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602 115&_trksid=p2759.l1259<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1259> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout?
Date: Feb 18, 2010
If It's a Fly Baby, somebody put on Piet style tail feathers. Also, don't FB's usually have a ply skin all the way back? However, the gear do look FB-ish. Kip Gardner On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Fly Baby. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Silvius > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp; Features > Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http:// > forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http:// > www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout?
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Not a Fly Baby. The Fly Baby has alot more ply, like the Piet. I'm thinking with all the bracing wires up front, it's something much older. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, "Gene Rambo" wrote: > Fly Baby. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Silvius > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp > ; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout?
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Fly Baby gear is all-wood. Plus, this thing has strut attach plates on the side of the fuselage. Two of them. The tail is all wrong for everything we've mentioned, too. I'm still looking. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > If It's a Fly Baby, somebody put on Piet style tail feathers. Also, > don't FB's usually have a ply skin all the way back? However, the > gear do look FB-ish. > > Kip Gardner > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> Fly Baby. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael Silvius >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? >> >> > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp >> ; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Cowl Info 1
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Several people have asked for pictures of NX899KP's corvair cowl. I've broken the pictures into 6 documents so folks can download as they desire. Kevin Purtee NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287107#287107 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_1_203.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Cowl Info 2
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Part 2 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287108#287108 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_2_237.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Cowl Info 3
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
3 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287109#287109 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_3_931.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Cowl Info 4
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
4 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287110#287110 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_4_205.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Cowl Info 5
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
5 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287113#287113 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_5_107.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
6 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287114#287114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_6_202.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 5
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Looks good Kevin, what did you paint your cowling with? rick On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:31 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> > > 5 of 6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287113#287113 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_5_107.doc > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Ted Davis was the pilot that flew Allen's Piet in the movie, and I was the Tech. Director ????. There were some great experiences and events that happened during the filming of the movie. Maybe Ted and I should give an overview of the filming at Brodhead 2010. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287118#287118 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
From: "ivan.todorovic" <tosha(at)sezampro.rs>
Date: Feb 18, 2010
There's a link to the official web-site on the poster. Ivan. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287129#287129 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/redbetsy_210.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 5
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Two part poly-fiber primer & then poly-fiber enamel. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287145#287145 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JERRY GROGAN" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject: PIETEN-38
Date: Feb 19, 2010
I thought you all would get a kick out of the Pieten-38. I realy didn't know who's airplane I picked for the concept picture. It was just in the right format and position. But I do want to say one thing. It's ok to dream and the origenal Pietenpon was concieved from a dream. And we all have them. Many of us have been flying our airplanes in our own minds for years and there not even done. So the Pieten-38 is for all you napkin designers out there that aviation was founded on. Keep up the good work. I have gotten many idea's from this list so don't stop dreaming. I haven't contributed much to the list but I will try to do so more often. Right now I'm rebuilding a Lycoming 0-290-G for my project. Thanks Jerry Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Just one??? ...Right now I'm rebuilding a Lycoming 0-290-G for my project. Thanks Jerry Des Moines, IA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287166#287166 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: PIETEN-38
Well, ah, I'm not trying to get anyone into trouble here, but the Karetaker Aero 2 (K.T.2) has already been conceived and is in the design phases.- See attached pictures.- 15 months ago it was born on a sheet of paper, to day it is almost ready for prototype production.- Once a prototype is bui lt, it will be flight tested. After the flight tests are complete, plans wi ll be available at karetakeraero.com. (I am thinking about $1,000.00 US)- I will also eventually have complete kits, partial kits, MODS, sketches, e tc. available for sale. (Full kit will only cost about $100,000 US)- (... and you guys-think ALL my ideas/mods are lame...) - I guess to avoid any copy write and further legal issues, I would only requ ire my logo and plane name on any "knock-off" K.T. 2 to be prominently disp layed on the fuselage as well as 50% of all compliments, acolaids, kind wor ds and pats on the back given to me. Any money received while in, near, or talking about said plane would also have to be divided up 50/50 to Karetake r Aero. - If interested in any colaberation on the building/designing of any "knock-o ff" K.T.2 planes, please contact Michael Perez at Karetaker Aero.- I woul d be glad to assist as long as the above conditions are adhered to, and an hourly consultation fee agreed on. - - On a-SERIOUS note, It is a great idea and if you see it through, it will be quite the acheivement! How cool would THAT be!?- - Beat of luck Jerry, do keep us posted! - - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 3
Did you raise the cabanes any? Maybe it's the pictures but they don't look at high as most... -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> >Sent: Feb 18, 2010 8:29 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 3 > > >3 of 6 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287109#287109 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_3_931.doc > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One
Kevin, Thanks for the cowl pix. Your methodology looks very sound and fast. I really like all the pix and notes together. I am not there yet in my build, but moving there mentally. Do I understand correctly: -- There are no hinges anywhere? -- The two side panels are permanently affixed to the bottom panel by a row per side of many closely spaced pop-rivets? -- Screws hold the curved top to the side panels, thus making the top/bottom split? -- Screws hold all four pieces to the nose? Otherwise, is there a door/hatch for draining the gascolator, checking oil level, etc.? Lastly, is the nose split, for disassembly as needed, without taking off the prop? Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> >Sent: Feb 18, 2010 9:33 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One > > >6 of 6 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287114#287114 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_6_202.doc > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 3
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
I made them per the plans. It's pretty tight. Took a (small) coworker flying yesterday & had to fold him up to get him in. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287220#287220 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: off topic: airways beacon question
I believe he is looking to put a landing light on his plane. - Either way, it would not be too difficult to covert from AC to DC or vise v ersa...if that helps....much...if any.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
You're on track on 1-3, Tim. On 4, the front piece is split horizontally to allow removal. The split is joined by 3 screws on each side of the prop. When the cowling's removed the top part of the nose piece goes with the top of the cowl (riveted) & the bottom part of the nose piece goes to the bottom of the cowl (riveted). The dipstick sticks out of a hole in the top piece. I have a door on top to add oil. The bottom piece has a hole cut out for the air filter and a notch to access the gascolator. I just got a hangar in georgetown and, if people will quit attacking IRS buildings out of georgetown, I'll get the plane there and you can come look. 10 minutes after I took off from Austin to fly to Houston to pick up the plane yesterday, that jerk hit the building. Got to Houston & checked notams. Sure enough: Georgetown closed. Came back to Austin plane-less. Going to try to get it on Sunday if weather & flight availability cooperate. Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287223#287223 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Subject: Re: off topic: airways beacon question
Mike , In answer to your question about acee decee. Did Tiger have on white or pink drawers during his press conference? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the rear cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit combing, it took a few trials to get it right. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287242#287242 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: off topic: airways beacon question
I don't think he can afford the weight of the necessary diodes being taken from his useful if he has to convert ac to dc. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Feb 19, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic: airways beacon question I believe he is looking to put a landing light on his plane. Either way, it would not be too difficult to covert from AC to DC or vise versa...if that helps....much...if any.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
I've got to get me some of them black cherries! You are WAY too healthy, Pieti. ;-) > >I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the >rear cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of >the cockpit combing, it took a few trials to get it right. >Pieti Lowell > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: pro-builds
I was wondering just yesterday about when we would see the first "pro-built " Air Camper. I just knew that the pattern of "Mine's better/nicer/more exp ensive than yours" would someday creep into the Pietenpol community.- Sou nds like we're getting close. One day soon-we'll probably see a Sky Scout and Air Camper matched pair p ull into Fon du Lac in an air conditioned double decker semi trailer, get u nloaded and assembled by a paid crew and flown in to OSH by hired and heavi ly insured pilots for judging (in a roped off area) all in the name of pres erving the past. Kind of fits the pattern don't you think? And the directio n that EAA has been going overall. Sorry, just musing. - Larry - ps. Thousands of Canada geese are winging their way North over central Arka nsas. I tried to fly with them this a.m. but they were too high and yes, to o fast for me. I'll keep trying, though. 31 F and blue skies as the sun ros e. "Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flyin' weather" W.P. - Nothing much to do with Piet building so........don't archive.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Subject: off topic: airways beacon question
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Subject: Re: off topic: airways beacon question
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Mikeee- It depends on whether it's an arc tube lamp, ballasted, or just a coiled filament lamp. I would think that a coiled filament wouldn't care if it sees AC or DC as long as it was the right voltage. Right? And hey, let me know when you have that thing turned on. Point it south and I'll let you know if I see it from here ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287269#287269 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: pro-builds
On 02/19/2010 02:41 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > I was wondering just yesterday about when we would see the first > "pro-built" Air Camper. I just knew that the pattern of "Mine's > better/nicer/more expensive than yours" would someday creep into the > Pietenpol community. Sounds like we're getting close. > One day soon we'll probably see a Sky Scout and Air Camper matched pair > pull into Fon du Lac in an air conditioned double decker semi trailer, > get unloaded and assembled by a paid crew and flown in to OSH by hired > and heavily insured pilots for judging (in a roped off area) all in the > name of preserving the past. Kind of fits the pattern don't you think? > And the direction that EAA has been going overall. We'll always have Brodhead... ;-) > Sorry, just musing. > Larry > ps. Thousands of Canada geese are winging their way North over central > Arkansas. I tried to fly with them this a.m. but they were too high and > yes, too fast for me. I'll keep trying, though. 31 F and blue skies as > the sun rose. Speaking of speed and yer trusty old Ford, have you figured out any sorts of numbers on what kind of power you get with that Lion Speed head? How about RPMs? Say, static, climb and cruise? I'd hope you'd be able to outrun a Canadian goose going 50mph! > "Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flyin' weather" W.P. Hey, some of us had actual plans to go flying today! Real, tangible, plans. Torpedo heater and LP tank in the trunk, winter gear, rabbit fur hat and everything. Then a 101 temp on one of the three-year-olds put the kabosh on that. Had to work from home, instead. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Or in Pieti speak "after two hundred and forty tries and 38 torn dresses we got it right"... =3B) > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? > From: Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com > Date: Fri=2C 19 Feb 2010 12:59:33 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > com> > > I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott=2Cinto the rear cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit co mbing=2C it took a few trials to get it right. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287242#287242 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Subject: Re: off topic: airways beacon question
I see from a web search that the beacons were powered by a generator. This would most likely make them ac. Check out the volts and number on the bulb. You could easily change the bulb base to make it anything you want. Howdy master electrician ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: It's a plane
Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a plane
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Great news!! Gary Boothe ------Original Message------ From: airlion Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Sent: Feb 19, 2010 3:55 PM Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: First flight for NX866BC too
After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the 40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at 2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the interstate and outran some trucks! I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing, considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner. After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop, and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in the background. I'll attach that too. In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building guys, its worth it! Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.1 hrs to go PS. Congratulations Gardiner! ------ Saving Attachments ------ Many Email programs delete attachments when you delete a message. If you want to save these images you should do so before deleting the email. Check the instructions for your email program for how to save attachments. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First flight for NX866BC too
Congrats Ben, I had my first flignt today too. I flew for 1/2 hour over the field and it flew great, The landing was one of my best even though my airspeed indicator was not working. Now , the cowling is off checking for leaks etc. Gardiner Mason NX840LM. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:34:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the 40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at 2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the interstate and outran some trucks! I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing, considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner. After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop, and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in the background. I'll attach that too. In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building guys, its worth it! Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.1 hrs to go PS. Congratulations Gardiner! ------ Saving Attachments ------ Many Email programs delete attachments when you delete a message. If you want to save these images you should do so before deleting the email. Check the instructions for your email program for how to save attachments. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Subject: Re: It's a plane
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Congrats Gardiner, nice work. Rick On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, airlion wrote: > > Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew > it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking > for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From > what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is > the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: It's a plane
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Gardiner and Ben, What a day for you both, congratulations! It's days like this that keep us builders going, thank you both! Jack DSM Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fw: First flight pictures
These pictures were taken today. It felt great=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded M essage ----=0AFrom: David Barrett <david(at)dbarrett.com>=0ATo: airlion <airli on(at)bellsouth.net>=0ASent: Fri, February 19, 2010 9:01:17 PM=0ASubject: Firs t flight pictures=0A=0A =0AGardiner =93=0A =0AHere=99s a link t o your pictures on the web: http://www.dbarrett.com/Gardiner_Pietenpol_Firs tFlight/=0AI will leave them up there so you can share the link with=0Awhom ever you=99d like. If you want me to delete any of the pictures,=0Al et me know.=0A =0AI=99ve also uploaded the pictures as a self-extract ing=0Azip file so you can download all of them at once. I=99ll talk you=0Athrough extracting the files.=0Ahttp://www.dbarrett.com/Gardiner_Piet enpol_FirstFlight/Gardiner_20100219_sm.exe=0Ahttp://www.dbarrett.com/Gardin er_Pietenpol_FirstFlight/Gardiner_20100219_lg.exe=0A =0AThe small files are 800x600 and about 200K each. The large=0Afiles are 3648x2736 and about 3MB each. If you want to send individual files to=0Asomeone via email, use the small ones. If you want to make prints, use=0Athe large ones.=0A =0AI =99ll give you a call.=0A =0ADavid ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Video of First Takeoff
Hope this works (the video) http://www.facebook.com/n/?video%2Fvideo.php&comments&v=1327650121629&mid=1e939f0G5bec5d5fG1570c51G1e Ben ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight for NX866BC too
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Ben I am proud for you. How about posting a high quality pic of the inflight from the J-3 ...that is a good scene. Was the ground handling as easy as the Baby Ace? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287300#287300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: It's a plane
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Way to go Gardiner! There's no feeling in the world like it, is there? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: off topic: airways beacon question
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Mike, In the late sixties I did the maintenance on an "OLD" Hercules diesel engine under the rotating beacon at Fort Pierce, Fl airport. It was backup emergency power for the beacon and runway lights. That was a long time ago but it seems like the beacon had 240 VAC with 60 amp fuses. Don't take that to the bank....too long ago. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287301#287301 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: First flight for NX866BC too
Date: Feb 19, 2010
As I just told Gardiner Mason, there's no felling wuit like the first flight in an airplane you built yourself, is there Ben? Congratulations! I look forward to seeing you at Sun 'n' Fun. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the 40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at 2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the interstate and outran some trucks! I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing, considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner. After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop, and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in the background. I'll attach that too. In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building guys, its worth it! Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.1 hrs to go PS. Congratulations Gardiner! ------ Saving Attachments ------ Many Email programs delete attachments when you delete a message. If you want to save these images you should do so before deleting the email. Check the instructions for your email program for how to save attachments. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Video of First Takeoff
From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Looked great. Congratulations, I'm looking forward to my first flight, But seeings how I have just laid the keel so to speak it will be a while yet for me. Again, congrats, I am very happy for you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287307#287307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Video of First Takeoff
Congratulationds Ben;she looked and sounded as advertised!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__ ______________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> =0ATo: Pietenpol list =0ASent: Fri, February 19, 2010 9:15:43 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Video of First Takeoff=0A=0A =0A=0AHope this works (the video)=0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/n/?video%2Fvide o.php&comments&v=1327650121629&mid=1e939f0G5bec5d5fG1570c51G1e=0A=0ABen ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First flight for NX866BC too
On 2/19/2010 10:02 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" > > Ben I am proud for you. How about posting a high quality pic of the inflight from the J-3 ...that is a good scene. Was the ground handling as easy as the Baby Ace? > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287300#287300 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It's a plane
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Gardiner you da man! I guess that Cessna 140 might gather dust now. That's a good looking airplane. Great pictures. I didn't know you could grin like that. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287327#287327 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: congrats
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Congratulations guys on your first flights!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: First flight for NX866BC too
Ben and Gardiner- WOWEE WOW WOW! CONGRATULATIONS! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: First flight pictures
Great lookin' plane and pilot. I'm sure GQ will be calling for a photoshoot next week, Gardiner, what with the scarf and all. I like your front 'pit cover. Did it make a difference? My ankles freeze any time I fly without the front cover. If you want to get some serious time in on her, you might think about picking up an inexpensive insulated coverall at Wally World or Chez Target or online. Mine is made by Dickies, but Carhart makes some, too. They sell 'em in lots of sizes, including to fit guys like you and me - we who have manly chests but not a lot of height! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: First flight for NX866BC too
Congratulations Gardiner and Ben!!!!!! Saludos! - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: First flight pictures
JEFF, tHE FRONT PIT COVER WORKED GREAT AND IT WILL STAY THERE UNTILL I MAKE A SNAP ON CANVAS COVER. NO WIND AT ALL ON MY LEGS AND ALL i NEEDED WAS A JACKET. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 10:00:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures Great lookin' plane and pilot. I'm sure GQ will be calling for a photoshoot next week, Gardiner, what with the scarf and all. I like your front 'pit cover. Did it make a difference? My ankles freeze any time I fly without the front cover. If you want to get some serious time in on her, you might think about picking up an inexpensive insulated coverall at Wally World or Chez Target or online. Mine is made by Dickies, but Carhart makes some, too. They sell 'em in lots of sizes, including to fit guys like you and me - we who have manly chests but not a lot of height! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One
Kevin, thanks. God is in the details. I really like your methodology. With 3 formers a side to make my fuze profile curvy, I'll have to have a little rounder cowling, I am counting that unrolling the sheet will provide the curve. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> >Sent: Feb 19, 2010 12:19 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One > > >You're on track on 1-3, Tim. On 4, the front piece is split horizontally to allow removal. The split is joined by 3 screws on each side of the prop. When the cowling's removed the top part of the nose piece goes with the top of the cowl (riveted) & the bottom part of the nose piece goes to the bottom of the cowl (riveted). > >The dipstick sticks out of a hole in the top piece. I have a door on top to add oil. The bottom piece has a hole cut out for the air filter and a notch to access the gascolator. > >I just got a hangar in georgetown and, if people will quit attacking IRS buildings out of georgetown, I'll get the plane there and you can come look. 10 minutes after I took off from Austin to fly to Houston to pick up the plane yesterday, that jerk hit the building. Got to Houston & checked notams. Sure enough: Georgetown closed. Came back to Austin plane-less. Going to try to get it on Sunday if weather & flight availability cooperate. > >Kevin > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287223#287223 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: First flight pictures
MAN! Hearing about first flights and the like is great! I would like to rea d posts like these every few weeks or so just to keep ME motivated! I think it is awesome, nice job men! - S! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: First flight for NX866BC too
Congratulations to you too Ben. Its nice to see all these Piets coming to life after reading all the messages and seeing the pictures of them during the building stages. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, Ben Charvet wrote: After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the 40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at 2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the interstate and outran some trucks! I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing, considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner. After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop, and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in the background. I'll attach that too. In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building guys, its worth it! Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.1 hrs to go PS. Congratulations Gardiner! ------ Saving Attachments ------ Many Email programs delete attachments when you delete a message. If you want to save these images you should do so before deleting the email. Check the instructions for your email program for how to save attachments. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion wrote: Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 1:35:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion wrote: Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
HI Gardiner, I tried to send this once but forgot to make it plain text so it got rejected. Anyway since I have a Corvair also was wondering if you had to offset the vertical fin. Mine is set straight ahead so far but think I will offset it a little as well. Used to fly a 1966 Cessna Skyhawk that was out of rig; it was faster than most but was a pain as you had to really fide the rudder. It would outrun all the other 172's in the area but probably looked like it was dog tracking from the rear. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Feb 20, 2010 12:37:52 PM, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote: Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 1:35:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion wrote: Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. David Paule > > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way > off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled > my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not > , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. > Cheers, Gardiner > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Keep in mind if you do end up putting on a trim tab, nothing says it has to hang off the trailing edge where it looks bad. It can be forward so that it does not show past the trailing edge of the rudder and do the same job. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: airlion<mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net<mailto:jimboyer(at)hughes.net>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 1:35:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion > wrote: > Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
Judging by Ms. Elliott's very apparent natural charms, I'd bet you had a chance to use your proprietary shoulder harness adjustment techniques*, too, Lowell... again... again.... (*note: as you described at Brodhead '08.) Tim Jealous in central TX do not achive -----Original Message----- >From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Feb 19, 2010 2:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? > > >I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the rear cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit combing, it took a few trials to get it right. >Pieti Lowell > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287242#287242 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
no it won't ----- Original Message ---- From: David Paule <dpaule(at)frii.com> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:07:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. David Paule > > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Tim,The Piet I had to work with had no shoulder harnesses, but it did have a safety belt. And by the third attempt to slip this beautiful young woman into that rear cockpit , If I remember correctly, she weighed less at each attempt, I don't remember ever having a sore back. By the way Tim, I'm working on a Pieti Girl pinup Tee Shirt if there are any takers.Give me fair warning before Brodhead, and she will be along side my B Ford. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287407#287407 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br>
Subject: Re: Fw: First flight pictures
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Makes us dream and believe our day is coming too. Congrats guys Rodrigo Em 20/02/2010, =E0s 15:10, Michael Perez escreveu: > MAN! Hearing about first flights and the like is great! I would like > to read posts like these every few weeks or so just to keep ME > motivated! I think it is awesome, nice job men! > > S! > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 20/02/2010 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: It's a plane
If you have step on the ball then it is not in trim ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 6:57:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane no it won't ----- Original Message ---- From: David Paule <dpaule(at)frii.com> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:07:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. David Paule > > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Sky Scout...
Date: Feb 20, 2010
I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the completed ribs and the wood/plans. The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are they lighter than Chromolly? This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for practicality purposes. Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed this group for over a year now. Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa, California 530-736-2627 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Subject: Re: Sky Scout...
From: Pastor Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy(at)gmail.com>
HI Ray, How much do you weigh? I weigh about 220 lbs and I was told I am too heavy for the Scout. I know some scouts have been built and have seen them for sale, some say no pilots over 200 lbs, as weight and balance won't work out...it will be tail heavy. On the tubing, you could use round tubing and use some wood to steamline it. Some have done that. But you could use chrome moly tubing. I would not use aluminum. Just make sure it is strong enough. I am sure lots of guys will chime in on the right size tubing to use. I decided to move to a Air Camper over the Scout for two reasons, 1. My weight. 2. I could learn to fly in the Air Camper and it doesn't take that much more materials to build. (if I ever get to buiding) Good luck on the Scout. I hope it all works out for you. It would be a nice plane. Have you read about Chad Willie's Scout and Mr. Hall's Scout ? Two nice ones to model after. Mike Townsley On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and > about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the > completed ribs and the wood/plans. > > The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to > this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older > designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are > for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are > they lighter than Chromolly? > > This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder > discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or > have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared > to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the > "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for > practicality purposes. > > Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank > that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. > Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right > between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! > > I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed > this group for over a year now. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, > Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa, California > 530-736-2627 > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout...
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Hi Ray! Nice to see another Waiex guy hanging out here. I'm not done with mine yet (getting closer though). Got my endorsement in a J-3, what a hoot! Got the plans for the Aircamper last year and am starting to acquire stuff to start the build. What a difference between Sonex and Piet plans, eh? Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX Jab3300 (1747), Aerocarb, Standard Gear, Stratomaster Ultra, Prince Colo, Iowa -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX Pietenpol next up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287419#287419 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout...
Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse 4130, If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inch by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero works for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he does not have a web site. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Exactly - so get rid of the ball! Then if the pilot can't tell it's out of trim, it's close enough in trim. Of course it's only the indication of being out of trim that's going away. But if the pilot can't tell - isn't that good 'nuff? David Paule > > If you have step on the ball then it is not in trim > > > > > > no it won't > > > Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. > > David Paule > >> >> Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way >> off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now >> angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. >> If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again >> tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Subject: Re: Joe Stack's suicide note
Channel 8 in Austin had a UT Professor on. He made a lot of sense. Here is the link. http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=267401 the text is below: We've been asking visitors to the News 8 Austin Web site whether they think Thursdays plane crash was an act of terrorism. As of Friday morning, about half answered yes and half answered no. One poll commentator named Sparks said, It was a criminal act by one person with a personal grudge. Save the terrorist tag for the political/religious groups with a published agenda of violence. Another commentator named Angie said, It was an act of domestic terrorism. He had a political agenda. Criminal or Terrorism? We brought associate professor from the University of Texas Department of Government Ami Pedahzur to the News 8 studio. To help us explore that question more in-depth, we brought associate professor from the University of Texas Department of Government Ami Pedahzur to the News 8 studio. Ive been dealing with the studies of terrorism, suicide terrorism, trying to understand the individual, organizational and social motivation behind the phenomena as well as the response to such attacks, Pedahzur said. He said people are right to be unclear on how to define Thursdays situation because the definition of terrorism itself is unclear. Basically I think what we saw yesterday was a criminal act that incorporated elements of terrorism, Pedahzur said. He went on to dissect the situation by saying the target, the IRS office, was highly symbolic. He added the act was a copycat of the 9/11 attacks, and that the perpetrator clearly had some kind of political agenda. Pedahzur said it was hard to tell if pilot Joe Stack leaned more to the left or right. He said Stack seemed to have his own ideology. Having said that, Pedahzur said. It was not part of a bigger plan. He was not associated with any terrorist network. It doesnt seem he was a professional terrorist as we would define it. Reports from previous friends and colleagues of Stack indicated he seemed to be a normal man, but Pedahzur read Stacks web page and said he could sense the anger had been building up. Well, we read the manifesto and we see that the person has had some anger building up. The anger was directed at the government for various reasons. Sometimes its just the easy way out to find someone to blame, he said. But Pedahzur said he believes another event triggered the incident Thursday. It was building up, Pedahzur said. He was waiting for something to happen that would make him snap. Its clearly not something that was a decision that was made yesterday morning. It was an ongoing process that came to a point of explosion yesterday. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: It's a plane
Gardiner, I had to hold a bit of right rudder to center my ball too. I almost put a trim tab on the rudder, but flew it a second time anyway. I then noticed I was holding some right aileron in level flight, so before adding any trim tabs I'm going to adjust my lift struts to see if that helps. It is hard to figure out if your wings are trimmed if you can't let go of the stick because there is no pitch trim. I guess a trim system is something for me to start thinking about. I can see this project isn't finished, just moved on to a new dimension. Ben On 2/20/2010 7:29 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > If you have step on the ball then it is not in trim > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: airlion<airlion(at)bellsouth.net> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 6:57:26 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > no it won't > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David Paule<dpaule(at)frii.com> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:07:04 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "David Paule" > > Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. > > David Paule > > >> Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Subject: Looking for Mike Fisher of Talkeetna Alaska
From: Matt Naiva <corvaircoupe(at)gmail.com>
Mike's Email bounced today. I wanted an update on his inverted FORD Scout project. I hit the internet and found this: FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2009 The curve dropped down pretty significantly a few days ago with the news of Talkeetna's iconic 74 year old bicycle riding airplane mechanic health nut world traveler *Mike Fisher slipped away after a several month decline from prostate cancer.* He was my friend and a most adamant supporter of this dream to build a bakery cafe outside of town. He was always looking forward to riding his bike for a cup of coffee and a loaf of good bread. I did get to say a small goodbye and thank you in my way, but am deeply saddened that he will never sit at the cafe counter, reading the newspaper and talking my ear off for hours on end. Ref http://nutsandtruffles.blogspot.com/2009/02/bowl-of-roses.html I hope there are two Mike Fishers of Talkeetna Alaska ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Betsy?
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Feb 20, 2010
Me three. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287438#287438 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Fuselage Progress
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 21, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuselage Progress
That's 5/8 of a pound that you won't be carrying behind the CP, which is good for the CG on a Piet. Besides, it looks SO COOL! >Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. >Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help >lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy >with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. >Still snowing here, great building weather! >Jack >DSM >www.textors.com > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Upper filler strips
Date: Feb 21, 2010
So many questions=85I=92m trying to figure out the correct fit and spacing for my panels, panel braces and turtle-deck widths. Plans show a 1/8x1/4 filler strip along the top longeron. From pictures and archives it looks like people have used a thicker piece, maybe 3/16 to =BC by about =BE width. To figure spacing should I plan for 1/8 sidewall plus 1/8 filler? Thanks! Jack DSM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuselage Progress
Date: Feb 21, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Jack, 10 oz's back there is important. Good for you. Looks great. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:11 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the wei ght some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut -out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ; ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 21, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fuselage Progress
I also cut my covers/lids in my plywood with a razor knife...leaves a great finish. Very interesting building the TD off the plane like in your second picture...never thought of that. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fuselage Progress
Date: Feb 21, 2010
10 ounces is 5/8 of a lb. Worth it! Looks good, Jack Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC, where it is over 60=B0 for the first time since November. I=92m going Flying! _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Windscreen
Date: Feb 21, 2010
The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done, so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from 6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Windscreen
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Looks like good work, Gary. The windshield frames are a PITA, but worth it in the long run. Just to put things in perspective, you've had 12 hours of creative work, doing something few people in this country know how to do. I just finished building the right fuel tank of my RV-10 this afternoon, after 25 hours of horribly stinky, sticky, messy work with tank sealant - and none of it was thought-provoking, creative work. It was just tedious assembly, and now I can look forward to another 25 hours of the same for the left tank. Last metal airplane I'll ever build. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done, so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from 6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout...
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Thanks, Mike. I weigh ONLY 180, so maybe it is a possibility! I think I can adjust the CG by moving the wing back, or elongating the motor mount. I may have to build 2 motor mounts to find out, but that should not be too bad. I will probably go with the metal struts, but I like the idea of wood. I do not know about Chad Willie and Mr. Hall's Scouts. How do I find out about them? Are they on this list? Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pastor Mike Townsley To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... HI Ray, How much do you weigh? I weigh about 220 lbs and I was told I am too heavy for the Scout. I know some scouts have been built and have seen them for sale, some say no pilots over 200 lbs, as weight and balance won't work out...it will be tail heavy. On the tubing, you could use round tubing and use some wood to steamline it. Some have done that. But you could use chrome moly tubing. I would not use aluminum. Just make sure it is strong enough. I am sure lots of guys will chime in on the right size tubing to use. I decided to move to a Air Camper over the Scout for two reasons, 1. My weight. 2. I could learn to fly in the Air Camper and it doesn't take that much more materials to build. (if I ever get to buiding) Good luck on the Scout. I hope it all works out for you. It would be a nice plane. Have you read about Chad Willie's Scout and Mr. Hall's Scout ? Two nice ones to model after. Mike Townsley On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ray Krause wrote: I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the completed ribs and the wood/plans. The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are they lighter than Chromolly? This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for practicality purposes. Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed this group for over a year now. Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa, California 530-736-2627 " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout...
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Lorin, You make me feel better! I delayed starting the Scout to let my wife adjust a little, but now that it is started, I really enjoy it. I really enjoy the building; but flying the Waiex is a real hoot! It is always hard to decide which I want to do when the sun shines. How many Waiex's are out and how many flying now? They are really beautiful ships. Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout... > > Hi Ray! > Nice to see another Waiex guy hanging out here. I'm not done with mine yet > (getting closer though). Got my endorsement in a J-3, what a hoot! Got > the plans for the Aircamper last year and am starting to acquire stuff to > start the build. What a difference between Sonex and Piet plans, eh? > > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > Jab3300 (1747), Aerocarb, Standard Gear, Stratomaster Ultra, Prince > Colo, Iowa > > -------- > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > Pietenpol next up > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287419#287419 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout...
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Shad, Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the 4130 struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working. If the wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way. I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the metal struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to the right size. Thanks for your help. Ray Krause ----- Original Message ----- From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... > > > Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than > streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be > required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse 4130, > If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inch > by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero works > for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined > tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero > Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he > does not have a web site. > > > Shad > > >

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