Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-nk
March 29, 2014 - May 01, 2014
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> A little droopiness is normal.
> See attached photo of Bob Poore and me.
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> Greg Cardinal
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> From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
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> Here are a couple more.
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> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
And still more droopiness
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Rivet Substiution - Wooden Gear |
| From: | "Brian C-FAUK" <brian.kenney(at)live.ca> |
When I built my wooden gear I didn't feel comfortable with putting rivets through
the metal plates at the crouch of the vee. I used number 8 fillister head
(countersunk) AN509 machine screws. This made the head flush on the outside
but needed a protruding screw end and nut on the inside plate. I found over time
that the protruding nut would cut into the shock cord. To solve this problem
I tried an unconventional use of some hardware. I countered bored from the inside
slightly and countersunk the inside plate and used a NAS1330A08-106 countersunk
rivet nut. In case you are confused I didn't pull these rivet nuts I just
used then as they came. A flush nut so to speak.
You can use keyed nuts and cut a slot in the face of the counter sunk hole and
then some lock tight. Alternatively what I did was epoxied the nuts and screws
into position as I tighten them up.
So once completed you have a fastener that is flush on both the inside and outside
and the shock cord likes it.
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Brian Kenney
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
fattest pilot?
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:43 AM, pineymb wrote:
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> And still more droopiness
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> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Maybe it's just me... but isn't the only real factor affecting elevator position
in level flight, the speed?
My piet has a pronounced up elevator position... in the flare. Does every time.
Pretty sure EVERY piet would have a certain speed where the elevator would
be in a neutral position. All these pics are likely taken at different speeds,
meaning the elevators would be in different positions.
Isn't it really just that simple?
Now, if your elevators are somewhat down, and the plane is in trim (no control
stick pressure), and this bothers you (since the elevators are not faired, there
will be more drag than necessary, so you'll be somewhat slower - maybe not
even noticable), you either change the wing incidence, or the horiz stab incidence
to take that out. It's a simple matter of rig. Which you do (the stab or
wing) is also a matter of rig, and should be based on keeping the fuse angle
of attack at a minimum to reduce frontal area, and decreasing drag.
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged airplane?
It just looks like the main gear legs are longer than most. (Not being critical,
by the way... long legs can be attractive).
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
it might be my sticking the pic into PC Paint and wrecking aspect ratio...
those are off-the-shelf J-3 gear.... I have 2 new ones at home that I am
covering....practice for building a whole Piet...in the way distant
(retired) future.
On Mar 29, 2014 11:28 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
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> Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged
> airplane? It just looks like the main gear legs are longer than most.
> (Not being critical, by the way... long legs can be attractive).
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Mounts |
| From: | "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Skip, thatll work for me. Ill let WW know to expect you.
John
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | looking for a cover photo |
Pieters=3B
As many of you know=2C we (Contact! Magazine) will be producing an all-Piet
issue to coincide with the 85th anniversary of the Air Camper this year.
We're looking for a cover photo=2C preferably air-to-air=2C of a Ford A pow
ered Piet. Wire spoked wheels will be heavily preferred.
Please go through your photos and send me any candidates that you'd like to
have considered for this special issue of the magazine. Editor Pat Panzer
a plans to attend the dinner at Brodhead this year and I'm sure he'll be ha
nd-carrying plenty of copies of the magazine. Subscribers will have alread
y gotten theirs by then.
For a superb example of what we're looking for=2C look no further than the
Jon Apfelbaum photo of Dan Helsper's airplane that he just posted under the
topic "More droopiness". It was the October 2012 calendar page from an EA
A publication.
I sure hope Jon has more of his Piet photos and would consider sending a co
uple. Send to taildrags(at)Hotmail.com or editor(at)contactmagazine.com
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Piet project for sale? |
| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
Strongly considering selling my Piet project if there is interest. Sale is due
to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years. Since then, and
at least for another 5 or so years, there will be no time to work on it, let
alone money.
Basically have all components for the airframe less hardware and covering materials.
Fuselage is 85% complete (long version)
End spinach is complete less sanding and finish
All ribs complete
Wing spars
Carlson aircraft struts
4 foot center section about 60% complete
All steel, including tubing for landing gear
Turnbuckles and cable
Altimeter
Drawings, corvair books, manuals, etc
Probably a few more miscellaneous items that I can't think of.
Have about $3000 invested but open to offers if there is interest.
Email me at tab1324(at)gmail.com if interested please.
Project is located in suburb of Minneapolis, mn.
It's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is that it is me
who finishes it. So please, if you have interest, let me know.
Tom Brant
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
I didn't know that that being critical is not acceptable...I thought it was
perfectly ok. if its not ok my question would be why it aint ok.=0A=0Ahyde
=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:39 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gma
il.com> wrote:=0A =0Ait might be my sticking the pic into PC Paint and wre
cking aspect ratio... those are off-the-shelf J-3 gear.... I have 2 new one
s at home that I am covering....practice for building a whole Piet...in the
way distant (retired) future. =0AOn Mar 29, 2014 11:28 AM, "taildrags" =0A>=0A>Is it just me (or the photo), or is
Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged airplane? -It just looks like the ma
in gear legs are longer than most. -(Not being critical, by the way... lo
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=0A>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0A>A75 power=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this top
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale? |
well are u going to sell it or not ??=0A=0Ahyde=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 20
14 5:39 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:=0A =0A--> Pietenpo
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y considering selling my Piet project if there is interest.- Sale is due
to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years.- Since then
, and at least for another 5 or so years, there will be no time to work on
it, let alone money.=0A=0ABasically have all components for the airframe le
ss hardware and covering materials.=0A=0AFuselage is 85% complete (long ver
sion)=0AEnd spinach is complete less sanding and finish=0AAll ribs complete
=0AWing spars=0ACarlson aircraft struts=0A4 foot center section about 60% c
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ble=0AAltimeter=0ADrawings, corvair books, manuals, etc=0AProbably a few mo
re miscellaneous items that I can't think of.=0A=0AHave about $3000 investe
d but open to offers if there is interest.=0A=0AEmail me at tab1324(at)gmail.c
om if interested please.=0A=0AProject is located in suburb of Minneapolis,
mn.=0A=0AIt's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is
that it is me who finishes it.- So please, if you have interest, let me k
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Piet project for sale? |
yes if there is interest. so far=2C your'e the first.
Date: Sat=2C 29 Mar 2014 21:15:45 -0700
From: jnl96(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale?
well are u going to sell it or not ??
hyde On Saturday=2C March 29=2C 2014 5:39 PM=2C TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
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Strongly considering selling my Piet project if there is interest. Sale is
due to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years. Since t
hen=2C and at least for another 5 or so years=2C there will be no time to w
ork on it=2C let alone money.
Basically have all components for the airframe less hardware and covering m
aterials.
Fuselage is 85% complete (long version)
End spinach is complete less sanding and finish
All ribs complete
Wing spars
Carlson aircraft struts
4 foot center section about 60% complete
All steel=2C including tubing for landing gear
Turnbuckles and=0A
cable
Altimeter
Drawings=2C corvair books=2C manuals=2C etc
Probably a few more miscellaneous items that I can't think of.
Have about $3000 invested but open to offers if there is interest.
Email me at tab1324(at)gmail.com if interested please.
Project is located in suburb of Minneapolis=2C mn.
It's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is that it i
s me who finishes it. So please=2C if you have interest=2C let me know.
Tom Brant
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Tom,
I will be the first to ask it, as I am sure others are thinking it. Are you sure
you want to sell? Plenty of builders have put their projects aside for long
periods of time. Ask Kevin Purtee and others about that.
Having said that, you have to make your own decision. I wish you the best.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale? |
Thanks Terry=2C
I've wrestled with the decision for quite a few years actually. There are
sentimental ties to it of course since it was started in 2000 and my extend
ed family helped build wing ribs=2C my mother sat in the pilots seat and so
did my kids. But knowing all of this actually inspires me to sell it in a
way to someone who has new energy to complete it. What a joy it would be
for me to see it fly some day=2C knowing all the history I have with it wou
ld be combined with someone elses hard work and dedication.
My wife has always left the decision to me but reminded me of what's at sta
ke with regards to those memories. But she understands my desire to see it
completed is stronger than the desire to complete it myself. Also=2C it h
elps at this time that it isn't necessarily about needing the money for oth
er things as it has been before. Of course the money doesn't hurt though
=3B)
Definitely not an easy decision but I think the right one is to move on. I
ts something I could do again with my kids if they showed interest when the
y're old enough.
I appreciate peoples comments on it for sure.
Tom B.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet project for sale?
> From: jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Sun=2C 30 Mar 2014 11:01:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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you sure you want to sell? Plenty of builders have put their projects asid
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st.
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> Terry Hand
> Athens=2C GA
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> USMC=2C USMCR=2C ATP
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I hope you find a great home for it, and I hope you are back before you know it!
Best wishes.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | All sideways on the Western front |
Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns ou
t to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero, the
strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and true. H
ow will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | All sideways on the Western front |
Must be something wrong, Jeff. I didn't see any droop in your elevators!
Great video!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: All sideways on the Western front
Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns out
to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero, the
strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and true. How
will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
<http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg> http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
Pip Pip, Jeffery, Jolly good!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:28 PM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote:
>
> Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns o
ut to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero, the
strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and true. Ho
w will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
>
> http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Great video! Wife and kids even loved it!
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
.... made my hair stand on end. The suspense. The gore. It unsettled the
masses, to be sure.
Ken
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 6:46 PM, wrote:
> Pip Pip, Jeffery, Jolly good!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:28 PM, "Boatright, Jeffrey"
> wrote:
>
> Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns
> out to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero,
> the strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and
> true. How will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
>
> http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
>
>
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
Thanks!
Great video! Wife and kids even loved it!
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | "Vasek" <bigon2(at)seznam.cz> |
Beautiful video :-) I am looking forward to a footage from the next sortie!
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Loved it! Best thing on a Sunday evening to end the week!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Sun, Mar 30, 2014 7:29 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: All sideways on the Western front
Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns ou
t to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero, the
strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and true. H
ow will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
Thanks Dan. It was fun putting it together.
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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Loved it! Best thing on a Sunday evening to end the week!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: All sideways on the Western front
Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns ou
t to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero, the
strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and true. H
ow will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
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| From: | Yahoo! Account Service <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Mounts and SnF |
John,
Where are you in Dayton area?
The big show starts tomorrow, Dick and Dave are here and we will be getting the
wood shop set up to make a couple sets of Piet floats.
Skip
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>From: john francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
>Sent: Mar 29, 2014 12:59 PM
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>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Mounts
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>Thanks Skip, thatll work for me. Ill let WW know to expect you.
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>John
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
I love it Jeff. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" w
rote:
> Dawn Pietrol with our young hero chasing down the Red Baron -- who turns o
ut to be a manky Scots git in a Sopwith Hamble Baby. Sadly for our hero, the
strut-mounted Lewis jams whereas the Baby's Vickers are smooth and true. Ho
w will he explain it all to Group Captain Macduff?
>
> http://youtu.be/MCY4I3IJixg
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>
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> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net> |
Great video. Nice landing too
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | All sideways on the Western front |
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Very nice Jeff! What did you do to stiffen up the PVC pipe? I shoved a wood dowel
in mine. It helps but I still get vibration. When it is cold it is stiffer
and I get less vibration. When its warm though it vibrates all over.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
An Old buddy, now deceased, told a funny story of making all of his tent
and fly poles for his boy scout group. He made them in the winter and they
all worked fine. Then summer camping time came and they were so flexible in
the heat that the tents would not stay up.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Don Emch wrote:
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> Very nice Jeff! What did you do to stiffen up the PVC pipe? I shoved a
> wood dowel in mine. It helps but I still get vibration. When it is cold
> it is stiffer and I get less vibration. When its warm though it vibrates
> all over.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Mounts and SnF |
| From: | "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Skip,
Im about an hour North of you in a small village called Russia.
John
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | poor man's metal stamping |
Thought I'd tap into the great mass of collective wisdom here.
I want to fabricate a prototype sheet metal body shell, something like you'd
see on a car from aluminum sheet. There are compound curves, but they
nothing too hard.
This is probably a one-off project and I can't spend the money to have big
expensive stamping dies made, and don't want to take the time to use an
English wheel for it all. Does anyone know of a poor man's method to make
stampings?
I've seen someone take a male and female plaster or bondo mold from a
pattern and use a press to "stamp" our some aluminum sheets.
Any thoughts are appreciated!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
If you can make a concrete mold of the shape you want, and a piece of urethane
padding, you can press the shape in with a simple bottle jack press. (for small
pieces only)
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Now test flying!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Go to metalmeet.com and allmetalshaping.com two great resources for metalshaping.
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Now test flying!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | poor man's metal stamping |
Douwe, you can do a poor man=92s version of a process called
=93Hydroforming=94
that was used at General Dynamics back in the 70=92s for some prototype
parts.
I used it to make some dimples in the cooling shrouds on my Pietenpol.
I=92ll show how I used it to make the dimples on my cooling shrouds
(eyebrows), then describe how the process can be modified.
First, I=92ll show what it produced:
This photo shows the rear of the right cooling shroud. I put Millenium
Cylinders on my engine and the cooling fins stick out further than
Continental cylinder=92s fins, so I found I needed to modify the shroud
to
clear the cooling fins. I determined the shape I needed and carved a
female
mold in particle board as shown below:
Note the black rectangular object sitting in front of the sledgehammer.
That is the key to this process. That is a block of hard rubber, 1=94
thick.
That is what is used to force the aluminum into the shape of the mold,
and
takes the place of a male stamping die.
The aluminum sheet needs to be located over the mold and pinned in place
using clamps or tooling holes of some kind. Then the ribber is placed
over
the mold area and the sledgehammer is used to pound on the rubber,
forcing
the aluminum beneath the rubber to conform to the mold, as shown below:
At General Dynamics, this procedure was used on pieces as large as an
automobile hood. Of course, they used much larger (and thicker) pieces
of
rubber, and a hydraulic press to form the aluminum. They could form
aluminum up to =BC=94 thick.
Don=92t know if this was what you had in mind, but if your pieces
aren=92t too
big and the draw is not too deep, this method works well and is about as
low
cost as you could ever hope for.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: poor man's metal stamping
Thought I=92d tap into the great mass of collective wisdom here=85
I want to fabricate a prototype sheet metal body shell, something like
you=92d
see on a car from aluminum sheet. There are compound curves, but they
nothing too hard.
This is probably a one-off project and I can=92t spend the money to have
big
expensive stamping dies made, and don=92t want to take the time to use
an
English wheel for it all. Does anyone know of a poor man=92s method to
make
stampings?
I=92ve seen someone take a male and female plaster or bondo mold from a
pattern and use a press to =93stamp=94 our some aluminum sheets.
Any thoughts are appreciated!!
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | any sheet metal guys out there? |
On another note..
I need a rectangular aluminum box fabricated using aircraft techniques. It
needs to look "aircrafty" and have rivet lines. Doesn't need to hold liquid
or anything, it's just for looks. Would be 4" thick 42" long by 24" wide.
Anybody set up to do that, contact me offline.
Thanks!
Douwe
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
805 573 3564
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| From: | "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
I wonder how my pietie would fly if I didn't cover the fuse....the wood work is
nice so im thinking that not covering the fuse I could expose the planes giblets
for the world to see. it would also solve the tail heavy issue and save lots
of work and money the berlot dint have the fuse covered and it flew fine...
sort of... anyone know anyone that has done this???
hyde the pietie captain not the god guy
Robert l scott wrote god is my copilot .. I wonder where he stuffed the dude because
the P40 only had one seat..
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| From: | "pflyboy" <nick_d_av8r(at)msn.com> |
First off, I like the topic title. I have no Piet, and can't answer the question,
but:
http://cub.aero/?p=612
It's very true a naked Piet is art. I'll let the Piet people take over from here.
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I can answer your question based on actually doing it. OK, I didn't but dad did
with my airplane. Maybe 28 years ago. I would not advise anyone to do it. That
said, my plane has a C85 cont. The airport elevation is 385 feet and dad only
weighs 145 lbs. It barely flew and couldn't reach pattern alt. Enough said about
that.DO NOT attempt it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com> |
I am planning to use Oratex fabric. The fabrics come in a small variety of
basic colors and require no painting=2C although the initial cost of this f
abric is higher than others. The USA Reps. were kind enough to send me a sm
all sample of each color. I was surprised to find that the 'Antique White'
is almost translucent. I have determined to cover the wings and tail surf
aces in Antique White (Navy Blue on the fuse.) hoping that the effect will
be to reveal some of the underlying structure.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: giblets
> From: jnl96(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Mon=2C 31 Mar 2014 15:51:31 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I wonder how my pietie would fly if I didn't cover the fuse
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
I appreciate the info.- I have been trying to contact these folks for mon
ths with no luck. do u have any info on how to contact they? any help would
be appreciated and would help to keep the tail light and cq in the proper
location.=0A=0Athanks=0Ajim hyde- 817 578 1215=0AOn Monday, March 31, 201
4 8:28 PM, larharris2 Harris wrote:=0A =0A =0AI am pl
anning to use Oratex fabric. The fabrics come in a small variety of basic c
olors and require no painting, although the initial cost of this fabric is
higher than others. The USA Reps. were kind enough to send me a small sampl
e of each color.- I was surprised to find that the 'Antique White' is alm
ost translucent. -I have determined to cover the wings and tail surfaces
in Antique White (Navy Blue on the fuse.) hoping that the effect will be to
reveal some of the underlying structure.=0A-=0ALorenzo=0A-=0A=0A-=0A
=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: giblets=0A> From: jnl96(at)yahoo.com=0A> Date: M
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Lorenzo, that should look great. Perhaps you'll name it the SI Swimsuit
edition.
:)
Ken
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:21 PM, jim hyde wrote:
> I appreciate the info. I have been trying to contact these folks for
> months with no luck. do u have any info on how to contact they? any help
> would be appreciated and would help to keep the tail light and cq in the
> proper location.
>
> thanks
> jim hyde 817 578 1215
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:28 PM, larharris2 Harris
> wrote:
> I am planning to use Oratex fabric. The fabrics come in a small variety
> of basic colors and require no painting, although the initial cost of this
> fabric is higher than others. The USA Reps. were kind enough to send me a
> small sample of each color. I was surprised to find that the 'Antique
> White' is almost translucent. I have determined to cover the wings and
> tail surfaces in Antique White (Navy Blue on the fuse.) hoping that the
> effect will be to reveal some of the underlying structure.
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: giblets
> > From: jnl96(at)yahoo.com
> > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:51:31 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> > I wonder how my pietie would fly if I didn't cover the fuse
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim,
Lars Gleitman
Better Aircraft Fabric
Office. (907) 344-6792
Cell. (907) 229-6792
4621 Caravelle Drive
Anchorage Ak 99502
lars(at)betteraircraftfabric.com
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Learn to use an English Wheel.
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| From: | larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com> |
Terry Hand sent you the best contact info I have. If you haven't already=2C
visit their website=2C betteraircraftfabric.com . You can download a pdf
brochure of the Oratex products.
Lorenzo
Date: Mon=2C 31 Mar 2014 19:21:41 -0700
From: jnl96(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: giblets
I appreciate the info. I have been trying to contact these folks for month
s with no luck. do u have any info on how to contact they? any help would b
e appreciated and would help to keep the tail light and cq in the proper lo
cation.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
Gee, Scott! Sounds like it flew just like a Bleriot (or a berlot).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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AircamperN11MS
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets
I can answer your question based on actually doing it. OK, I didn't but dad
did with my airplane. Maybe 28 years ago. I would not advise anyone to do
it. That said, my plane has a C85 cont. The airport elevation is 385 feet
and dad only weighs 145 lbs. It barely flew and couldn't reach pattern alt.
Enough said about that.DO NOT attempt it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple,
Things are progressing well on my 1931 Pietenpol, yet this time of year thoughts
often turn to "What project next"...?!?!
I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit while still
keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do that than
by creating a sheet metal version of the design - the Sheet-en-pol
I've run some numbers and it looks like the RV-8 wing and empennage would work
well. These parts are readily available as component kits from Vans. This would
allow me to concentrate most of my design work on the fuselage and paint scheme.
The canopy from the RV-8 should fit nicely around the tandem seat arrangement
which would make the plane useful for a greater portion of the year - especially
considering all the rain we get here in Seattle. The canopy feature might
even work well in places like Minnesota where the original was designed or
Ohio where so many Pietenpols get built for some strange reason. (Maybe cause
it is the birthplace of the Wright Brothers or something!)
I ran some flow analysis (see image) and it looks like with all the changes the
design might actually reduce the drag enough to require the installation of an
airspeed indicator.
Not wanting to bite off too much by designing both an experimental airframe AND
an engine (no one would ever want to do THAT) I would use only a certified automotive
conversion.
Glad for these early springtime April days to be able to let the mind wander a
bit
Jake
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Joseph Jameson's Corvair engine runs |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Builders:
We just got back from Corvair College #29, and the high point of the event was
the perfect engine test run of the 100HP Corvair built by 16 year old Pietenpol
builder Joseph Jameson. We ran a number of builders engine for the first time
at the College, but everyone present took notice of Joseph's achievement.
The October '13 BPA newsletter carried a nice story about Dan Helsper taking Joseph
aloft for his first flight in a Pietenpol. Doc and Dee, Dan and most everyone
who has met Joseph comments that he is obviously a bright and thoughtful
young man, blessed with a supportive family. A few minutes in his company is enough
to make a curmudgeon say something positive about the future of aviation.
Joseph has a lot of his airframe built, and is closing in on his PP check ride, but opted to dig into his Corvair engine when Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino hosted Corvair College#28 in Texas. You can see Joseph and his father Kelley speaking with award winning Piet builder and flyer Hans Vandervort at the college in this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/13/corvair-college-28-san-marcos-texas/
Joseph got his Corvair underway at #28, but signed up for #29 in Florida to finish
and test run it. The engine is a 100HP Corvair, with a Roy, 5th bearing and
Falcon heads. It is not a "spare no expense" engine, but it is an exceptionally
high quality Corvair with electric start, dual ignition, stainless valves,
HD oil cooler and filter and some weight reduction items like a flyweight welded
deep sump pan. The engine is a bit lighter than a C-90 or an O-200.
When Joseph was done, we pre-oiled it and put it on our test stand. It started
in less than 2 seconds of cranking. We put down a 30 minute run to break in the
cam and lifters, followed by a second run. I have run several hundred Corvairs
on the stand in the last decade, and Joseph's engine ran as well as any of
them. It was smooth, didn't leak a drop of oil, and his adjustment of the hydraulic
lifters was perfect. A visitor to the college asked what this young man's
'secret of success' was. I said "He actually read the book and he follows the
instructions."
Hats off to Joseph for his achievement in learning and building, and special thanks
to everyone in the Piet community that played a positive role in assisting
him. Joseph and his Dad are planning on attending Brodhead this year, if you
have not met them, take a moment to do so, they are outstanding people. -ww
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
I have also wondered about the fuselage covering. When I was first
getting interested in a homebuilt the Breezy was a very interesting
consideration. It apparently works. Also look at the site for the
Backyard Flyer ultralight. I have been watching the Flyer at EAA for
the last few years. I have been trying to convince myself it might be a
good alternative while I slowly work on my Pietenpol. The people at
Backyard Flyer told me the uncovered fuselage reduces the wind vane
effect in crosswinds which can plague a very light aircraft. I am
planning in leaving the cockpit uncovered to emphasize the wood
construction. I saw one treated that way at Brodhead many years ago in
my early planning stages.
Ralph in SD
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Jake, for the Sheet-enpol, you should consider a Vtail so that you can
mount a The TJ-100 turbojet engine produced by PBS Velk=C3=A1 B=C3=ADte=C5
=A1
of the Czech Republic. In keeping with keeping it true to the 1930s period.
PBS is a large manufacturer rotary machines with roots dating-back to 1814
and therefore could have been used by Mr Pietenpol in 1929. Similar to the
Subsonix.
Perhaps it could be called the Subsheeetenpol.
Ducking and running for cover.
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jake,
Nobody,s biting today. I wonder why????
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jack,
I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than I
do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it is
a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
It's all in good fun...... this is a FUN airplane after all :-)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jake,
It's a great flight to be on. This list is what I mean. Enjoy the day folks. Off
to the airport now.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Jake, for the Sheet-enpol, you should consider a Vtail so that you can
mount a The TJ-100 turbojet engine produced by PBS Velk=C3=A1 B=C3=ADte=C5
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of the Czech Republic. In keeping with keeping it true to the 1930s period.
PBS is a large manufacturer rotary machines with roots dating-back to 1814
and therefore could have been used by Mr Pietenpol in 1929. Similar to the
Subsonix.
Perhaps it could be called the Subsheeetenpol.
Ducking and running for cover.
Steve D
I dun sent this once befor
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> Steel Tube
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| From: | earthlink1 <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Well, no intentional wing-warping anyway! It could be done if you weren't careful,
but it's also a static adjustment ;).
On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:06 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
>
> Jack,
> I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than
I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it
is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Guys,
There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.'
Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very innovative
pusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where the
axis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage.
Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
I saw Chad Wilie fly the Bleriot at Brodhead a couple of years ago. He
never got it out of ground effect, but technically it "flew".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 11:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets
Jack,
I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better
than I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet
that it is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds interesting but the link does not work...???!!?
Just when you think you think of something new it turns out somebody has already
done it...!
Jake
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
try this link:
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
...test..test.. short gopro test fresh out of the box. Had not looked at proper
settings yet. Tried slo-mo, black&white..camera vibration in flt...did nothing
w/sound yet, etc..
http://youtu.be/3IiAMQM3uJ0
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A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
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Standard Factory GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
WW,
VERY nice - Thanks...!
J
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | mylar covered Jenny |
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
William, in the article it showed engine mount tubes beautifully profiled with
CNC. Do you know if Don has ever done tubes for a Continental mount for a Piet.
Mine is already cut (what a pain), but others may have an interest.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:26 AM, "William Wynne" wrote:
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> Guys,
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> There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.'
>
> Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very
innovative pusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where the
axis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage.
Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww.
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Jack,
I am pretty sure he does not have it because he tends to serve manufacturers with
proprietary designs rather than low volume or one off guys. The prototype cost
is about the same as the first 15 tubing sets cost. I have made about 12 or
13 high thrust line Corvair/Piet mounts, but we hand cut them, as the volume
was low compared to the numbers on 601/750 mounts.
I have worked with Don for 10 years or so, and he remains one of the most impressive
people we have met in industry. Canadians ought to be very proud, VR-3 is
entirely a Canadian entity down to the software design and tooling. Don does
a giant share of the tubing work in light planes, including certified ones, but
he also does DOD work and engineering.-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: mylar covered Jenny |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
WOW, Would that cause any problems? IE heat and/or moisture buildup inside
the mylar, esp the wing.
Blue Skies
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
That is a great video. But my personal fav is "Don't Turn Right!". A cinematic
masterpiece!
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| Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Douwe,
This photo is self explanatory. Maybe it will spark some ideas.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:29 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: poor man's metal stamping
Thought I=99d tap into the great mass of collectivewisdom here
I want to fabricate a prototype sheet metal body shell,something like you
=99d see on a car from aluminum sheet. There arecompound curves, but
they nothing too hard.
This is probably a one-off project and I can=99t spendthe money to ha
ve big expensive stamping dies made, and don=99t want totake the time
to use an English wheel for it all. Does anyone know of a poorman=99
s method to make stampings?
I=99ve seen someone take a male and female plaster orbondo mold from
a pattern and use a press to =9Cstamp=9D our somealuminum sheet
s.
Any thoughts are appreciated!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit =C3=A2
=C2=C2=93 while
still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do th
at
than by creating a sheet metal version of the design
Love you Jake....but seriously? This is a gag, right? BHP would be rolling
over in his grave right about now....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
cc: TC Emeritus
cc: Board of Curmudgeons
-----Original Message-----
From: aerocarjake <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 11:13 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
Hello good Piet-ple,
Things are progressing well on my 1931 Pietenpol, yet this time of year tho
ughts
often turn to "What project next"...?!?!
I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit =C3=A2
=C2=C2=93 while
still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do th
at
than by creating a sheet metal version of the design - the =C3=A2=C2=C2
=9CSheet-en-pol=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D
I've run some numbers and it looks like the RV-8 wing and empennage would w
ork
well. These parts are readily available as component kits from Vans. This w
ould
allow me to concentrate most of my design work on the fuselage and paint sc
heme.
The canopy from the RV-8 should fit nicely around the tandem seat arrangeme
nt
which would make the plane useful for a greater portion of the year - espec
ially
considering all the rain we get here in Seattle. The canopy feature might e
ven
work well in places like Minnesota where the original was designed or Ohio
where
so many Pietenpols get built for some strange reason. (Maybe =C3=A2=C2
=C2=98cause it is the
birthplace of the Wright Brothers or something=C3=A2=C2=C2!)
I ran some flow analysis (see image) and it looks like with all the changes
the
design might actually reduce the drag enough to require the installation of
an
airspeed indicator.
Not wanting to bite off too much by designing both an experimental airframe
AND
an engine (no one would ever want to do THAT) I would use only a certified
automotive conversion.
Glad for these early springtime April days to be able to let the mind wande
r a
bit=C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2
Jake
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
Thanks for the kind words. I have to say, "Don't turn right!" is favored by just
about everyone, including me.
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:23 PM, "tools" wrote:
>
>
> That is a great video. But my personal fav is "Don't Turn Right!". A cinematic
masterpiece!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, this is APRIL FIRST after all......!!
BHP would hopefully appreciate the humor :-)
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Dag-Nabit Jake! You got me!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: aerocarjake <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 5:47 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
Yes, this is APRIL FIRST after all......!!
BHP would hopefully appreciate the humor :-)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
....but I could make new plans for such a design and then "build it exactly to
the plans" Ha!
Hope to post some photos in the next few days of my Piet on it's gear...! (OK
the wheels are plywood circles until I get my real ones, but it is on it's own
gear....!!!!!!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Information resource - Sun n Fun |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Builders,
If you are looking for another information resource, I have written an index of
the 200 most popular stories on our website. They are all related to aircraft
building, but even if a builder was not going to use a Corvair, there are still
70-80 stories that will be useful on carbs, oils, wiring, instruments, Piets,
welding etc. If you have the time, peruse the titles, you can click on any
of them to read the whole story:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/04/02/200-stories-of-aircraft-building/
Vern, Lynn and myself are headed to Sun n Fun in a few hours. A number of builders
are getting together at the SPA/Panther booth of Friday night for their cook
out after hours. I have forums to give On Wed. Fri. Sat. at 12 noon. I will
have a spare 24.25" Corvair/Piet mount with us. Looking forward to seeing a number
of you there.-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I forgot just how flat the world is in that part of the country. What a nice little
airport.
Carry on,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
Douwe
Check out EAA hints for homebuilders video on hrdoforming - very cool video.
The link is being attached but is is so weird it may not work If the link is broken
just Google tersm EAA hints for homebuilder hydroforming
and get this link:
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx%3Fv%3D1277219627001&sa=U&ei=eDg8U9KWIIGO2AWmsYG4CA&ved=0CBsQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFtoV-yxuQBXK5EEL-CI9uyhoa8ww
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Dayton OH
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I don't know if a nest of bare tubing would create as much drag as fabric-covered
slab sides, but I do know that I use slips to landing a LOT in my airplane.
Without flaps, slips are the best way to manage descent profile and I always
like to bring Scout in a little high and then slip it down to the numbers. Rarely
am I able to nail the airspeed and altitude on final to where I don't have
to adjust something (unlike Jeff Boatright, who scared me coming in as close
to the treetops as he did after his guns jammed and he had to run back home.
It seemed like he was on rails all the way down to the turf).
Maybe one of the builders planning to use Oratex can sew in a couple of zippers
that would allow the empennage covering to be unzipped to test flight characteristics
with bare bones out there?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: It's FINALLY a hangar... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Not only is it a hangar, it's being used as one!
N2RN is up and flying. Our field is rather varsity, so I took off and flew 10
miles to 9A5 for fuel. Son met me there and we went another 5 miles south to
a really nice wide and long grass strip.
He is soloed and only has around 10 hours, nearly 2 years ago. Threw him in the
back and I jumped up front and off we went. I was REALLY proud of him, did
a fantastic job. Flew to another nearby grass strip, hitting 9a5 for a hard surface
runway touch and go on the way, dropped him off there and then I brought
it home.
I'm pretty much gone the next two weeks, but after that should get him soloed again
and making progress on his license.
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| Subject: | Re: It's FINALLY a hangar... |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Congratulations on getting her flying again! I kow you are Scott are really happy.
Good job!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| Subject: | Re: It's FINALLY a hangar... |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I second that! Nice job putting the airplane back together, and what could be
better than a Pietenpol flying off of grass!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's FINALLY a hangar... |
hw much time do u have on the plane now?=0A=0Ajim=0AOn Wednesday, April 2,
2014 9:41 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:=0A =0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82" =0A=0ACongratulations on getting her flying again! I kow you are Scott
are really happy. Good job!=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AA
thens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, ATP=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t
opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421519
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks=0Ajim=0AOn Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:27 PM, taildrags =0A=0AI don't know if a nest of bare tubing would cr
eate as much drag as fabric-covered slab sides, but I do know that I use sl
ips to landing a LOT in my airplane.- Without flaps, slips are the best w
ay to manage descent profile and I always like to bring Scout in a little h
igh and then slip it down to the numbers.- Rarely am I able to nail the a
irspeed and altitude on final to where I don't have to adjust something (un
like Jeff Boatright, who scared me coming in as close to the treetops as he
did after his guns jammed and he had to run back home.- It seemed like h
e was on rails all the way down to the turf).=0A=0AMaybe one of the builder
s planning to use Oratex can sew in a couple of zippers that would allow th
e empennage covering to be unzipped to test flight characteristics with bar
e bones out there?=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper
NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online h
ere:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421506#421506=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: It's FINALLY a hangar... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks!
It came with about two and a quarter, I think I've put on between 75 and a hundred.
It'll be three years in Sep I've owned it. Was down 4 months after the
first debacle... down for about a year and 8 months this time.
The second debacle occurred about a week after getting it back up the first time!
Learning a LOT!
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| Subject: | Re: It's FINALLY a hangar... |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Good job Tools. Congratulations to you and Scott.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Congrats on getting N2RN airborne again! Great plane!! Super light.
Douwe
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| From: | TGSTONE236(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | bird nest and mud dobbers |
Now is the time in NC that the birds and mud dobbers are busy. I just
tore out a nest that had been started in my "C" section before they had a
chance to lay eggs.
Ted Stone
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| Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Search YouTube for; Tinmantech. I am sure you will find what you need there.
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| Subject: | Re: bird nest and mud dobbers |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Funny you should mention that! Just this morning we noticed that a mourning dove
has fashioned a nest on one of my workbenches, next to a table saw. With two
weeks for the eggs to incubate and another two weeks for the fledglings to
leave the nest, I guess I won't be using the table saw till next month ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bird nest and mud dobbers |
| From: | "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
And all the crap that comes with her! I dont think they are on the endangered
list. I would move the nest.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: bird nest and mud dobbers |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
John Sorry I lost the thread. were you talking about girlfriends or wives?
Steve D
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, john francis wrote:
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> And all the crap that comes with her! I don't think they are on the
> endangered list. I would move the nest.
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks jack:-)=0AOn Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:27 PM, jim hyde wrote:=0A =0Athanks=0Ajim=0AOn Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:27 PM, ta
ildrags wrote:=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message po
sted by: "taildrags" =0A=0AI don't know if a nest of
bare tubing would create as much drag as fabric-covered slab sides, but I
do know that I use slips to landing a LOT in my airplane.- Without flaps,
slips are the best way to manage descent profile and I always like to brin
g Scout in a little high and then slip it down to the numbers.- Rarely am
I able to nail the airspeed and altitude on final to where I don't have to
adjust something (unlike Jeff Boatright, who scared me coming in as close
to the treetops as he did after his guns jammed and he had to run back home
.- It seemed like he was on rails all the way down to the turf).=0A=0AMay
be one of the builders planning to use Oratex can sew in a couple of zipper
s that would allow the empennage covering to be unzipped to test flight cha
racteristics with bare bones out there?=0A=0A--------=0AOscar=0A Zuniga=0AM
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| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
The side area of a fuselage is part of the design calculations on the yaw stability
along the vertical axis which includes the fin area. The area removed would
have to be calculated for the loss area of the fuselage sides an added to the
fin to keep the stability as designed.
Just my 2-cents worth .... WF2
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
ood thanks=0Ajim=0AOn Friday, April 4, 2014 7:24 AM, womenfly2 =0A=0AThe side area of a fuselage is part of the
design calculations on the yaw stability along the vertical axis which incl
udes the fin area. The area removed would have to be calculated for the los
s area of the fuselage sides an added to the fin to keep the stability as d
esigned.=0A=0AJust my 2-cents worth .... WF2=0A=0A--------=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Below is a response from my buddy the aerodynamacyst. He is also a plane
ownerr of some experience. I asked him about effects of drag, slipping and
would streamlinig the exposed wood/tubes help.
G'day Steve,
Yes, the drag will be increased with an exposed fuselage structure.
Will it fly? That depends on the available thrust horsepower available.
Enough, and it will
fly.
The next question is: How does not covering the fuselage affect the
stability and control
as well as the balance of the aircraft? Unknown.
Slipping should work. The exposed fuselage may, or may not, have more drag
than the
covered fuselage in a slip.
Streamlining might help the aerodynamics but may not help the structural
strength.
If left uncovered, the owner will not just be a test pilot for a known
design, but
an EXPERIMENTAL test pilot for an "unknown" design.
Dave Rogers
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, jim hyde wrote:
> ood thanks
> jim
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 7:24 AM, womenfly2
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> The side area of a fuselage is part of the design calculations on the yaw
> stability along the vertical axis which includes the fin area. The area
> removed would have to be calculated for the loss area of the fuselage sides
> an added to the fin to keep the stability as designed.
>
> Just my 2-cents worth .... WF2
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Folks,
It appears that my userid is currently being used as an alias in a phishing
attack. Please do not open any email that appears to be coming from me
that asks you to open a Google Doc file. I have not sent such an email and
apologize in advance for the inconvenience.
My best, Ken Bickers
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks jim=0AOn Friday, April 4, 2014 9:48 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:=0A =0ABelow is a response from my buddy the aerodynam
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ffects of drag, =0Aslipping and would streamlinig the exposed wood/tubes he
lp. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AG'day Steve,=0A=0AYes, the drag will be increased with a
n exposed fuselage structure.=0A=0AWill it fly? That depends on the availab
le thrust horsepower available. Enough, and it will=0Afly.=0A=0AThe next qu
estion is: How does not covering the fuselage affect the stability and cont
rol=0Aas well as the balance of the aircraft? Unknown.=0A=0ASlipping should
work. The exposed fuselage may, or may not, have more drag than the=0Acove
red fuselage in a slip.=0A=0AStreamlining might help the aerodynamics but m
ay not help the structural strength.=0A=0AIf left uncovered, the owner will
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lot for an "unknown" design.=0A=0ADave Rogers=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Apr 4, 201
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n Friday, April 4, 2014 7:24 AM, womenfly2 wrote:
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ions on the yaw stability along the vertical axis which includes the fin ar
ea. The area removed would have to be calculated for the loss area of the f
uselage sides an added to the fin to keep the stability as designed.=0A>=0A
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| From: | Yahoo! Account Service <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Mounts and SnF |
Hi John,
Got the mount today, looks real good.
We will be here for a week after the show is over, which is tomorrow. We will head
to WV. We may be heading over to Miamisburg around the 18th. I will email
you.
Skip
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>From: john francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2014 11:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Mounts and SnF
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>Skip,
>
>Im about an hour North of you in a small village called Russia.
>
>John
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
While perusing the Carlson site, I noticed their Jury Strut extrusions, which would
appear to be suitable for cabanes on the Piet.
Has anyone used this extrusion for their cabanes? How about the diagonal braces
to the firewall?
Please chime in...
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Forgot the link:
http://carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Tom,
I used Carlson "small" wing struts. My cabanes are streamline steel, my dia
gonals are round steel, jury struts are round steel.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Sun, Apr 6, 2014 7:47 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Cabane material
While perusing the Carlson site, I noticed their Jury Strut extrusions, whi
ch
would appear to be suitable for cabanes on the Piet.
Has anyone used this extrusion for their cabanes? How about the diagonal b
races
to the firewall?
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Beautiful woodwork, especially the wing spars. You must have done that work in
your pre-curmudgeon days.
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | aluminum cabanes |
Hey Tom,
I do not believe I have ever seen aluminum cabanes on a Pietenpol. This
certainly doesn't mean it hasn't been done, it just means I've never
encountered it. We've all seen aluminum struts though, and they work.
I would just go with steel since I can't really think of reasons to go with
aluminum (maybe a pound or two, if that"??)
If you want to forge new territories then I suppose you'd start comparing
material strengths etc and keep digging to see if you can find any that have
gone before you.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
A reason I can think of to research it is that when you buy wing struts, you buy
the entire 10 ft length. You can opt to have them send the 2ft left overs or
not (as the max length to send is 8ft, which is about the right length for the
Piet). It seems they (the left overs) would make excellent cabanes (right
term?).
Mating aluminum front diagonals to them would make a lot of sense in that case.
This is kind of how I leaning towards doing the Piet I'm building as I REALLY like
the aluminum wing struts.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | landing practice |
Hey,
To help spur on the builders, I want to share yesterday's flight experience.
Got another "weather window" and slipped "RE-PIET" out of the hangar at
7:00pm, had an hour before sunset. The winds had died to almost nothing and
were right down the runway. Decided to do five or six take-offs and
landings. It was a blast!!
It was a bit chilly, but that was offset by some hear-stirring cool-air
performance. Without a well-calibrated airspeed indicator (I only have a
Johnson strut-mounted) I'm leery of really pushing my slow flight
approaches. This day, I decided to inch up on it and just keep "feeling the
lift" as I slowed up to make sure she was still good. Shot a few and things
went really well. I then started experimenting with some pretty aggressive
slips, which was really fun also!
For me (my own preference for all you "nit-pickers" out there) I find it so
much easier than a modern slick airframe. Sure, I slow down some on
downwind, but she slows so fast I pretty much find myself landing her like a
hang glider, I.E. it feels like I am diving (or slipping) to the runway and
then I just slow things up when I get there and plunk her down.
Because our runway is long, I've found myself landing a bit fast so I can
really grease her on and go easy on the tires and landing gear. I really
need to work on my short field landing technique though and this was great
practice.
Asphalt is sure different, but It's where she lives so I have had to get
confident on it. I am still keeping my crosswind component within my
comfort zone , but I'm sneaking up on asphalt proficiency. Got to fly
formation with a Citabria which was fun, I absolutely love flying with other
planes, it's one of my favorite flying experiences.
Keep building, it's worth it!!
Douwe
Ps. I was told that someone had just put their Pietenpol on the airport
"waiting list", but he couldn't remember the name. Anyone out there trying
to get into Gene Snyder (K62) near Falmouth KY??
Pss. Think I'm about to install some VG's for fun.
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| Subject: | It's starting to look like.... well, an airplane...!! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple,
There was a sunny afternoon in Seattle on Friday so I took the opportunity to cleco
most of the completed parts on to my Piet for a photo shoot - spend a few
minutes contemplating the progress so far.
The wheels are the correct diameter plywood until the real ones are spoke-laced
and the cabaine struts are just mock-ups. I will be working on the center section
and real cabaine struts next.
Hope all of you are enjoying the coming of Spring...
Enjoying the journey......
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: It's starting to look like.... well, an airplane...!! |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jake: wait. You're going with a radial on your Piet? Why wasn't I told?!! That
is awesome!! It is looking way, way cool! Beautiful work, and I do envy you
the round engine.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: It's starting to look like.... well, an airplane...!! |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Awww, man... I just noticed that you have the external elevator bellcranks and
cables, also a la Navratil. Really nice for the old-timey look. Beautiful!
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A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: It's starting to look like.... well, an airplane...!! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, Dick and his beautiful plane have been a real inspiration - as have many other
on this message board...... thx.
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Aluminum has been used but as near as I can remember I have not seen the smaller
sized used. The most recent one that comes to mind is Chris Rusch who used
aluminum but they look to be the larger extrusion. You'll have to ask him to
be certain.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Rusch/images/image_153.jpg
I know there are more out there but I can't think of them right now.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "bender" <dude(at)twc.com> |
I used the Carlson struts and used the leftover from the wing struts for the cabane
struts... I've only had a few flights but they look good to me.
I have round steel on the forward diagonal struts to the engine mounts
Jeff Faith
SDF
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I just received my struts from Carlson and plan to do the same. Pics please Jeff!!!
Scott Knowlton
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 1:35 PM, "bender" wrote:
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cabane struts... I've only had a few flights but they look good to me.
> I have round steel on the forward diagonal struts to the engine mounts
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| Subject: | Re: It's starting to look like.... well, an airplane...!! |
| From: | "Vasek" <bigon2(at)seznam.cz> |
Beautiful plane, it's certainly an inspiration for me! and I love the seats :-)
Nice job Jake!
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| Subject: | Re: It's starting to look like.... well, an airplane...!! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks... I have not yet glued on the plywood sides - ha!
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Inquiry for you UK Pieters: I'm trying to get in touch with Glen Everett=2C
owner and pilot of Air Camper G-BYFT=2C which is featured here: http://www
.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-byft/4546880083. Steel tube fuselage=2C presently
flying with a Rotax 912S engine. I'd like to get his email if anyone can
help with that. Thanks!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: UK Piet G-BYFT |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Try:
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> Inquiry for you UK Pieters: I'm trying to get in touch with Glen Everett,
> owner and pilot of Air Camper G-BYFT, which is featured here:
> http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-byft/4546880083. Steel tube fuselage,
> presently flying with a Rotax 912S engine. I'd like to get his email if
> anyone can help with that. Thanks!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
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| Subject: | Re: UK Piet G-BYFT |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Woops, sorry about that. Try: glen(at)flyingadverts.co.uk
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Try:
>
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> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>> Inquiry for you UK Pieters: I'm trying to get in touch with Glen Everett,
>> owner and pilot of Air Camper G-BYFT, which is featured here:
>> http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-byft/4546880083. Steel tube
>> fuselage, presently flying with a Rotax 912S engine. I'd like to get his
>> email if anyone can help with that. Thanks!
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>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Dan,
Your craftsmanship is very nice. However, "with all due respect"/"bless your heart"
etc, I would like to say that the red diagonal cabanes pictured in my story
below are a lot stronger than the ones in your pictures. Any tube flattened
on the end in the style of a 1960s swing set construction, will fail like cooked
spaghetti in compression.
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/
>From now on, you can call me the "Cabane Curmudgeon."
BTW, new fully aerobatic Decathalons use aluminum struts. There are a number of
ways that a guy who isn't good at welding can get better results with bolted
aluminum parts from Carlson. I will be glad to share notes on this at Brodhead.
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
William,
Gonna change my struts to something like those shown... what does the other end
look like?
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
| From: | "bender" <dude(at)twc.com> |
I need you guys to pay attention .. look past the passengers..
Aluminum cabanes ..and flying struts
Jeff Faith
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
What airplane... [Wink]
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Ah yes, I remember the photo of the naked women in your Pietenpol. I keep
hoping you'll bring them to Brodhead (and there's not much room for extra
clothing in a Piet).
Just kidding. The struts look good, Jeff.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
I need you guys to pay attention .. look past the passengers..
Aluminum cabanes ..and flying struts
Jeff Faith
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Tools,
The EAA book, "The art of welding" has many pages in the back that show do's and
don'ts of welded joints with a particular look at the ends of struts and cabanes.
I looked on the EAA site, and they have the updated version of the book,
but I am not sure it still has the pages in question. If you go to the Steen
aero labs site:
https://secure.steenaero.com/Store/site/department.cfm?id=B67D0A06-102E-BB20-1620EBE739624319
They have a picture of the book cover of the 1991 edition, which has the drawings.
My 1987 version has a green cover with king Paul welding on it. Other than
the cover, I am pretty sure the contents are the same. Cheryl, a friend of Grace's
runs Steen and is very helpful, you can call and ask about any book. While
shopping, consider a "Skyranch engineering Manual" fantastic book on engines.
PS: Jeff Faith, you are my hero of the day, I admire your "stripped down" approach
to aircraft construction. Please consider giving a forum on this at Oshkosh.
It would be welcomed by those of us who find Pappy Boyington a better role
model than Rod Marchado.
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
I used Carlson on both as well.....
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
I am preparing to make and mount my windscreens. I am going simple. 4
attachment points for a curved windshield.
Am I crazy? (let me rephrase that) Do my eyes decieve me? Do I see a lot of
Ford powered Pietenpols with no windscreens? I am guessing that the
radiator funcitions as a wind block of sorts.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Beautiful Piet Chris............
Brian
SLC-UT
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Steve-I used three 1/8" thick aluminum brackets to secure my windshield.
I had to T-88 epoxy (scuff sanded
both surfaces) a doubler underneath the aluminum (2024 T-3 0.024") to stiff
en the area since I elected to use
Lexan which has to be held in place and has some spring-back force. If y
ou're using Plexiglas and are
forming it or bending it to look like a 3-pce that won't apply to you.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) |
| From: | "nauus" <campers(at)nauus.cat> |
Greetings to all and thanks for the great job done on this forum.
I am a wooden boat buldier from Catalonia (Europe). For a long time agou I am a
great lover of Pietempols.
I want to build a AirCamper ULM with European regulations specifying a maximum
take-off mass of 450 kg - 992 lbs.
You think this is possible?
What is the minimum empty weight can be achieved with a lightweight construction?
What advice can you offer me?
Furthermore I would like to know which is the empty weight of the Sky Scout?
Thank you very much
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| Subject: | Question to UK Cont. eng builders |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Here is a question to friends across the pond:
I have a UK builder interested in rebuilding a Corvair to install in a non-piet
homebuilt. He is planning on building a cost is no object engine, although we
have 73 planes of his model already flying in the US in the last 10 years with
far more modest Corvairs, and they have a track record good enough to qualify
for the lowest insurance rate offered by Falcon ins.
The UK builder has been told by almighty 'lord Donaldson' that every single nut
and bolt must arbitrarily be replaced, including the head studs, although we
have specs for testing the head studs, and we have never had one fail in the air,
and if it did it would not cause a substantial power loss.
I was just wondering if builders using 50 year old Continentals in the UK are also
required to replace every stud in their engine?
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Just to show I am not without respect for UK aviation, a link to an old story from
my website:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/13/10-elements-of-uk-aviation-to-admire/
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Question to UK Cont. eng builders |
Sounds like Lord Donaldson needs to be arbitrarily replaced.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Wynne
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question to UK Cont. eng builders
Here is a question to friends across the pond:
I have a UK builder interested in rebuilding a Corvair to install in a
non-piet homebuilt. He is planning on building a cost is no object engine,
although we have 73 planes of his model already flying in the US in the last
10 years with far more modest Corvairs, and they have a track record good
enough to qualify for the lowest insurance rate offered by Falcon ins.
The UK builder has been told by almighty 'lord Donaldson' that every single
nut and bolt must arbitrarily be replaced, including the head studs,
although we have specs for testing the head studs, and we have never had one
fail in the air, and if it did it would not cause a substantial power loss.
I was just wondering if builders using 50 year old Continentals in the UK
are also required to replace every stud in their engine?
-----------------------------------------------
Just to show I am not without respect for UK aviation, a link to an old
story from my website:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/13/10-elements-of-uk-aviation-to-admire/
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 |
lb)
Hi Nauus,
Like most questions in aviation, the answer to your question is "It
depends." The maxiumum takeoff weight of the airplane varies by what you
put in it - how much fuel, and how heavy is the pilot and other payload.
Are you planning this as a single seat or two seat airplane?
If using it as a single seater, my own Pietenpol could qualify even though
mine is fairly heavy (338 kg or 745 lbs). Adding my 86 kg (190 lbs) would
still leave you 26 kg (57 lbs) of fuel, which would be 9.55 gallons or
36.15 liters, enough for a little over 2 hours of flying with a Continental
65 hp engine
What engine are you considering using? If using a Continental A65, there
are many Pietenpols that have been built with an empty weight of 650 lbs
(295 kg) or less. Corvair powered Pietenpols seem to tend slightly heavier.
Model A Ford Pietenpols tend to be lighter than 650 lbs, probably because
their builders know they don't have a lot of power to waste.
So let's say you are building a two seat Pietenpol, with an empty weight of
295 kg. That leaves you with 155 kg for people and fuel. Assuming you
need at least an hour's worth of fuel on board, which will be somewhere
around 14 kg of fuel, you and your passenger cannot total more than 141 kg.
Assuming you weigh about 75 kg (165 lbs), that means your passenger cannot
weigh more than 66 kg (145 lbs). This is not a bad solution - it measn that
you will be limited to carrying lightweight passengers, which tends to
include pretty young women and children. You won't have to give rides to
fat old men ("Sorry, I'd love to take you up old chap, but the law forbids
it.")
If on the other hand you weigh 141 kg by yourself, then I'd say you should
look at another design.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg
(992 lb)
Greetings to all and thanks for the great job done on this forum.
I am a wooden boat buldier from Catalonia (Europe). For a long time agou I
am a great lover of Pietempols.
I want to build a AirCamper ULM with European regulations specifying a
maximum take-off mass of 450 kg - 992 lbs.
You think this is possible?
What is the minimum empty weight can be achieved with a lightweight
construction?
What advice can you offer me?
Furthermore I would like to know which is the empty weight of the Sky Scout?
Thank you very much
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| Subject: | Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Jack,
Our procedure for testing the Corvair's head studs is to subject the to a specific
heavy tension load of 4,000 pounds while measuring the stretch in thousands
of an inch to make sure the stud is within it's elastic limits. (The apparatus
for doing this is small, about as big as a carton of cigarettes.)
To be fair, Lord Donaldson shouldn't be replaced arbitrally, he should be tested.
My understanding of English history is that they had a device in the tower
of London called the rack, which was used by their governmental authorities of
the day to tension test humans to see if they reached their elastic limit at
a few thousand pounds. Good enough for bolts, good enough for bureaucrats.
----------------------------
Just Kidding! ...... If any UK builders would like to send a private note, my email
is WilliamTCA(at)aol.com. Information will be held confidential, even if I am
drawn and quartered.
PS, 50% of my DNA was in the UK until 1868. I tease knowing I am making fun of
half of myself.
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; yes, you are crazy. Well, let me rephrase that: no, your eyes don't deceive
you. I have seen photos of older Piets with no windscreens, or with one
only on the rear cockpit. I wouldn't leave home without mine!
I just made replacements for my curved windscreens, which actually have 5 mounting
points each. I cut them both out of a single 24"x24" piece of 3/32" acrylic
sheet from Lowe's Aircraft Supply & Lumber. The ones that they replaced were
1/8" thick and a good deal more work to spring into a curved shape than these...
but I have not flown with these yet. They don't seem like they will deflect
significantly in the airstream as compared with the 1/8" thick ones.
I cut them out using an abrasive cutting wheel on a Dremel, smoothed off the edges
with a file and sandpaper (and belt sander where it really needed hogging).
Holes were drilled with a 3/16" "Plexiglas bit" that I got from Aircraft Spruce,
then gently opened up to 7/32" with a step drill bit that came from Harbor
Freight Aero Supply. My mounting hardware consists of short AN3 bolts with
nylock nuts, and I used thin nylon washers under the bolt head and metal washer
and left the nuts just loose enough to permit some movement between the metal
and acrylic. The bolts have smooth unthreaded shanks on the part that passes
through the acrylic.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com> |
I made mine from 1/8" acrylic and mounted them with 4 aluminum tabs similar to
Oscar's method. except I did heat mold mine. I made a bowed plywood frame hat
would fit in the oven and laid the rough shaped plexi on it and brought the temp
up till it would relax. actually helped it lay down a little with my hands.and
shut it off and let it cool down. I will say the clarity isn't as good as
I had hoped. there is some distortion. but then I spend more time looking out
the side while flying than straight thru the shield anyway.Raymond
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| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Wow Chris beautiful! Love those pipes!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 1:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
>
I used Carlson on both as well.....
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Gotta nice look, Chris!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:58 AM
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I used Carlson on both as well.....
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on
Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual
trip; 50 minutes each way.
Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up
but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the
letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch.
Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique
stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric.
We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and
hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown.
Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with
RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm
really happy my wife had a great time.
Keep building, it's worth it!
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
Great, Douwe! Thanks for sharing. Now bring Marci in Re-Piet over here to
Smith Mountain Lake and spend a night or two with us.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date
Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on
Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual
trip; 50 minutes each way.
Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up
but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the
letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch.
Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique
stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric.
We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and
hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown.
Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with
RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm
really happy my wife had a great time.
Keep building, it's worth it!
Douwe
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Very Nice! This forum needs a "LIKE" Button. :)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Hi
What do you men it wasn't anything huge! You and your wife were able to s
pend a memorable afternoon together. It even was centered around flying. W
hat could be finer than that?! HUGE! Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:18 PM, "Jack Phillips" wro
te:
>
> Great, Douwe! Thanks for sharing. Now bring Marci in Re-Piet over here t
o Smith Mountain Lake and spend a night or two with us.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:01 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date
>
> Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her o
n Piet date. She=99s taken lots of short hops, but this was her first
actual trip; 50 minutes each way.
>
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he was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the letter
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tique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabr
ic. We dawdled because I was watching my home field=99s weather (asph
alt) and hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die a
way at sundown. Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset
flight with RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
>
> It wasn=99t anything huge, but it was our first adventure together a
nd I=99m really happy my wife had a great time.
>
> Keep building, it=99s worth it!
>
> Douwe
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Very nice, Douwe!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date
Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on
Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual
trip; 50 minutes each way.
Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up
but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the
letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch.
Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique
stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric.
We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and
hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown.
Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with
RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm
really happy my wife had a great time.
Keep building, it's worth it!
Douwe
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
My windshield broke and I flew without it for some time. If wearing goggles, it
really wasn't a big deal.
Originally, the back seat had a really nice big windshield, didn't like the look
of it the best, but it was REALLY comfortable behind it, not requiring goggles
for most flying. The Piet equivalent of being behind the windscreen of a big
old Honda Goldwing or something!
I put the original shaped one back on it. Looks a little better I think, need
goggles, but not as good a ones as with without.
So, it's really a question of how do you want to fly. No eyewear, snug sunglasses
type of thing, or full on RAF or ski style goggles.
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Awesome...! Looks like something you need to Re-Piet often....!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "nauus" <campers(at)nauus.cat> |
Thanks for the comment Jack.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems the Aircamper is not a design for me.
I am a burly rugby player of 220 lb (100 kg) and did not think that in the years
following diets work better than now. By your words I can deduce that with me
only remain 122 lb (55 kg) for passanger and fuel.
I know there are ultralight replicas of the SkyScout (Ragwing, Fisher, Texas Parasol
...) but none has for me the charm of a Pietenpol.
I love the wood work in Pietempol's, the wooden cabanes and undercarriage, for
me are almost like a beautiful woman.
Has anyone thought of a ultralight design for two seater Aircamper ?
Greetings and thank you very much
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lb)
| From: | "Vasek" <bigon2(at)seznam.cz> |
Hi, I am building a Pietenpol GN-1 in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) as an
ULLa aircraft. Metal construction of fuselage and tail surfaces. Wooden wing,
and it will be equipped with an automobile engine (Subaru with a reduction drive?).
I haven't even thought it could be heavier than 450kg with me and a passenger?
:)
I have 68kg with leather B3 jacket :) ...and I don't expect my passenger to be
heavier than some 80kg.
That is 148kg humans, 20kg fuel, that is 292kg for the aircraft+engine+other liquids.
I hope it should not be a problem to achieve :D
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My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Great shot Chris, as you know I love the paint scheme! How is you testing going?
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Thanks for the nice comments guys! We had the worst winter in 30 yrs up here, so
the pietenpol has been out of my mind for months.....went to the hanger and
looked her over last night and she survived the winter! Now im getting the bug
again, so testing will resume very soon. I did attempt making a different prop
over the winter on my fancy CNC stuff and made scrap out of the first attempt,
but now i know what we did wrong, so once I get some more boards glued up,
well give her another try. I will keep posting on the list with my test results.
PS to fill the void not having a pietenpol to work on every day, i built this motorcycle.......almost
done !!
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| Subject: | Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 |
lb)
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Who knows WHAT I'm gonna hear for saying this... but do you need LSA or unltralight?
There's a experimental balled a Bakeng Deuce. I think it's a really eye
pleasing design. Made for 125 to 150hp I think and quite a bit larger cockpits.
It's typical cloth covered steel fuse and wood wing, but you could easily put jenny
gear on, wood struts, change the shape of rudders and stabs to give it a
more Piet like appearance and feel.
I'm not a huge fan of changing designs... but if it suits your needs, might be
worth considering!
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Keith <pietenpol(at)hodgehome.org.uk> |
That is one nice aeroplane.
Keith
On 10/04/2014 02:00, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took
> her on Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her
> first actual trip; 50 minutes each way.
>
> Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
> Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way
> up but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40
> I the letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and
> have lunch. Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town
> checking out the antique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop
> and stocked up on some fabric. We dawdled because I was watching my
> home field's weather (asphalt...) and hoping the forecast was right
> and the crosswind would die away at sundown. Sure enough, it did.
> The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with RE-PIET feeling like
> she was on rails the whole way home.
>
> It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and
> I'm really happy my wife had a great time.
>
> Keep building, it's worth it!
>
> Douwe
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
William, I'm very disappointed in you. Instead of your usual highly technical
commentary and eye for detail, you went for the decoys that Jeff threw out there.
You didn't even notice the rigid aluminum fuel tubing that he's got running
down those aluminum cabanes, past the stripped-down airframes in the cockpits.
For shame.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
Be nice Oscar maybe he was tired from SunNFun. Keiko
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 10, 2014, at 2:05 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
>
> William, I'm very disappointed in you. Instead of your usual highly technical
commentary and eye for detail, you went for the decoys that Jeff threw out there.
You didn't even notice the rigid aluminum fuel tubing that he's got running
down those aluminum cabanes, past the stripped-down airframes in the cockpits.
For shame.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421890#421890
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
How tall is right for the windscreen? The one old one I have seems awfully
short. I like the general shape. Laid flat the bottom edge is straight and
it stiffens up when curved.
When placed with the old holes it is even with my eyes in the tail down
attitude and with my nose in the tail up. It is about 7 inches in front of
my nose. I can look over it easily.
I have looked at Photos online and they are all over the place. Some tall,
some short. I have looked at motorcycles and they are all farther away from
the face and most newer ones seem slightly below the eyes.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:36 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Steve; yes, you are crazy. Well, let me rephrase that: no, your eyes
> don't deceive you. I have seen photos of older Piets with no windscreens,
> or with one only on the rear cockpit. I wouldn't leave home without mine!
>
> I just made replacements for my curved windscreens, which actually have 5
> mounting points each. I cut them both out of a single 24"x24" piece of
> 3/32" acrylic sheet from Lowe's Aircraft Supply & Lumber. The ones that
> they replaced were 1/8" thick and a good deal more work to spring into a
> curved shape than these... but I have not flown with these yet. They don't
> seem like they will deflect significantly in the airstream as compared with
> the 1/8" thick ones.
>
> I cut them out using an abrasive cutting wheel on a Dremel, smoothed off
> the edges with a file and sandpaper (and belt sander where it really needed
> hogging). Holes were drilled with a 3/16" "Plexiglas bit" that I got from
> Aircraft Spruce, then gently opened up to 7/32" with a step drill bit that
> came from Harbor Freight Aero Supply. My mounting hardware consists of
> short AN3 bolts with nylock nuts, and I used thin nylon washers under the
> bolt head and metal washer and left the nuts just loose enough to permit
> some movement between the metal and acrylic. The bolts have smooth
> unthreaded shanks on the part that passes through the acrylic.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421849#421849
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 |
kg (992 lb)
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
You must mean the European version of ultralight AKA microlight. The US
version is tiny.
If you are looking at single seat just make a Piet and don't use the front
cockpit.
For the list. If he were to step up in size but wanted to stay in something
similar to a Piet what would you do?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
>
>
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| Subject: | OT if you are looking for a place to go, y'all come visit |
San Antonio, IT'S FIESTA
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
San Antonio is beginning Fiesta. If you are looking for a destination there
is a lot going on from April 10-27. It is San Antonio's celebration for San
Antonio.
www.fiesta-sa.org
We have our favorite events. My boys love the rugby tournament. My wife and
I enjoy the Zydeco music at a taste of New Orleans, 5 big parades, mariachi
concerts, too much to mention.
Y'all come visit.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: OT if you are looking for a place to go, y'all come |
visit San Antonio, IT'S FIESTA
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Steve
Thanks for the invite . Beautiful city y'all have there. Love River Walk
any place that has a river in it needs to take lessons from San Antonio. E
verything I saw while visiting there ten years back for son's Air Force basi
c training graduation makes me want to go back. Maybe next year
Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Steven Dortch wro
te:
>
> San Antonio is beginning Fiesta. If you are looking for a destination ther
e
> is a lot going on from April 10-27. It is San Antonio's celebration for Sa
n
> Antonio.
>
> www.fiesta-sa.org
>
> We have our favorite events. My boys love the rugby tournament. My wife an
d
> I enjoy the Zydeco music at a taste of New Orleans, 5 big parades, mariach
i
> concerts, too much to mention.
>
> Y'all come visit.
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | windscreen height |
You're right, windscreen heights vary widely and again, there's no right or
wrong, it's what works for you.
However, IF you don't like the top of your head buffeted by wind all the
time, make it an inch taller than mine!
Since it's only seven inches away, I'd say even with the top of your head.
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Vi Kapler hinges |
Hello=2C low 'n' slow flyers-
I have a bit of news regarding the aluminum hinges that Vi Kapler used to o
ffer for the tail surfaces. Mr. Pietenpol developed the hinges as an impro
vement on the bent-and-welded steel ones that are shown in the 1932 plans
=2C and he then had Vi Kapler make patterns to have them cast and machined.
Vi got out of the business a few years ago=2C but I have spoken with him
and have obtained the rights to the cast hinges. I hope to have these hing
es available again soon=2C through my little business called "Rogue Air Par
ts". I don't remember what Vi was selling them for but if someone will let
me know=2C I'll see what the foundry and machining is going to cost and se
e if we can hold the price to the same as Vi was asking. I believe the tai
l control surfaces require a total of 9 pairs of hinges=2C or three per sur
face.
Happy Friday!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler hinges |
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I purchased my set from Vi in 2005 for forty bucks. Great deal and great hin
ges.
Glad you have taken the job over Oscar!
Now how about those data-plates?
Scott K.
Burlington Ontario.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, "Oscar Zuniga" wrote
:
>
> Hello, low 'n' slow flyers-
>
> I have a bit of news regarding the aluminum hinges that Vi Kapler used to o
ffer for the tail surfaces. Mr. Pietenpol developed the hinges as an improv
ement on the bent-and-welded steel ones that are shown in the 1932 plans, an
d he then had Vi Kapler make patterns to have them cast and machined. Vi go
t out of the business a few years ago, but I have spoken with him and have o
btained the rights to the cast hinges. I hope to have these hinges availabl
e again soon, through my little business called "Rogue Air Parts". I don't r
emember what Vi was selling them for but if someone will let me know, I'll s
ee what the foundry and machining is going to cost and see if we can hold th
e price to the same as Vi was asking. I believe the tail control surfaces r
equire a total of 9 pairs of hinges, or three per surface.
>
> Happy Friday!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler hinges |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The data plates are still available. Info is at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421918#421918
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| Subject: | Re: windscreen height |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Mine works fine for me. No buffeting. But I guess it all depends on how tal
l you are. (Some have called me a munchkin in the past).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
You=99re right, windscreen heights vary widely andagain, there
=99s no right or wrong, it=99s what works for you.
However, IF you don=99t like the top of your headbuffeted by wind all
the time, make it an inch taller than mine!
Since it=99s only seven inches away, I=99d say evenwith the top
of your head.
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | "Robert S. Edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
we purchased our hinges at Brodhead in 2010 for $70.00 and considered
it a bargain. Getting ready to pull the piet out of the hanger and get
it ready for the season. Bob
--
Robert S. Edson
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler hinges |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Oscar, I paid Vi 35 bucks for my hinges a while back. Don Harper used to make them
also. Cheers, Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> don't
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Today I finished fabricating and installing a Swiss Muffler on my Piet.
Unbelievably quiet.
Cheers, Ken
p.s. I'll update once the engine is running.
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler hinges |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Oscar mine were $60, and I did quite a bit of polishing...
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> Hello, low 'n' slow flyers-
>
> I have a bit of news regarding the aluminum hinges that Vi Kapler used to o
ffer for the tail surfaces. Mr. Pietenpol developed the hinges as an improv
ement on the bent-and-welded steel ones that are shown in the 1932 plans, an
d he then had Vi Kapler make patterns to have them cast and machined. Vi go
t out of the business a few years ago, but I have spoken with him and have o
btained the rights to the cast hinges. I hope to have these hinges availabl
e again soon, through my little business called "Rogue Air Parts". I don't r
emember what Vi was selling them for but if someone will let me know, I'll s
ee what the foundry and machining is going to cost and see if we can hold th
e price to the same as Vi was asking. I believe the tail control surfaces r
equire a total of 9 pairs of hinges, or three per surface.
>
> Happy Friday!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: windscreen height |
You and Douwe seem to sit a lot lower in your Piets than I do. Did you buil
d specifically to sit lower?
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:11 PM, "danhelsper(at)aol.com
" > wrote:
Mine works fine for me. No buffeting. But I guess it all depends on how tal
l you are. (Some have called me a munchkin in the past).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net<mailto:douweblumberg@eart
hlink.net>>
onics.com>>
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
You=92re right, windscreen heights vary widely and again, there=92s no righ
t or wrong, it=92s what works for you.
However, IF you don=92t like the top of your head buffeted by wind all the
time, make it an inch taller than mine!
Since it=92s only seven inches away, I=92d say even with the top of your he
ad.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Swiss Muffler |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Very cool Ken. Those earplugs can get annoying. Can't wait to (not) hear it
.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:22 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Swiss Muffler
Today I finished fabricating and installing a Swiss Muffler on my Piet. Un
believably quiet.
Cheers, Ken
p.s. I'll update once the engine is running.
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| Subject: | Re: windscreen height |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
No. I built to plans....but it may have something to do with my size.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
You and Douwe seem to sit a lot lower in your Piets than I do. Did you buil
d specifically to sit lower?
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:11 PM, "danhelsper(at)aol.com" wrot
e:
Mine works fine for me. No buffeting. But I guess it all depends on how tal
l you are. (Some have called me a munchkin in the past).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
You=99re right, windscreen heights vary widely and again, there
=99s no right or wrong, it=99s what works for you.
However, IF you don=99t like the top of your head buffeted by wind al
l the time, make it an inch taller than mine!
Since it=99s only seven inches away, I=99d say even with the to
p of your head.
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: windscreen height |
I'm only 5'6", but long torso, so maybe that's the difference.
Sent from an iPhone with a spelling problem
On Apr 12, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "danhelsper(at)aol.com
" > wrote:
Jeff,
No. I built to plans....but it may have something to do with my size.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu<mailto:jeffboatright@emor
y.edu>>
etenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
You and Douwe seem to sit a lot lower in your Piets than I do. Did you buil
d specifically to sit lower?
=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97
=97=97=97=97
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:11 PM, "danhelsper(at)aol.com
" > wrote:
Mine works fine for me. No buffeting. But I guess it all depends on how tal
l you are. (Some have called me a munchkin in the past).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net<mailto:douweblumberg@eart
hlink.net>>
onics.com>>
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
You=92re right, windscreen heights vary widely and again, there=92s no righ
t or wrong, it=92s what works for you.
However, IF you don=92t like the top of your head buffeted by wind all the
time, make it an inch taller than mine!
Since it=92s only seven inches away, I=92d say even with the top of your he
ad.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Swiss Muffler |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ah, Ken... you jokester, you!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: windscreen height |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Are you really setting up or are you laying down? Just joking. I have
looked at your photos and sat in my plane. The rear deck hits me between
the shoulder blades. The cockpit feels much smaller than y'all's looks. I
am 5'7.5" and about 193lbs. My front cockpit feels much larger. The
instrument panel is at least 6 inches further from me in the front.
I am going to make mine several inches taller and incline it up some. At
the angle it currently sits, I will hit the bridge of my nose on the edge
of the windshield in case of an impact. Changing the angle should help.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote:
> I'm only 5'6", but long torso, so maybe that's the difference.
>
> Sent from an iPhone with a spelling problem
>
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "danhelsper(at)aol.com"
> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> No. I built to plans....but it may have something to do with my size.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:41 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
>
> You and Douwe seem to sit a lot lower in your Piets than I do. Did you
> build specifically to sit lower?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
>
> On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:11 PM, "danhelsper(at)aol.com"
> wrote:
>
> Mine works fine for me. No buffeting. But I guess it all depends on how
> tall you are. (Some have called me a munchkin in the past).
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:46 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen height
>
> You're right, windscreen heights vary widely and again, there's no
> right or wrong, it's what works for you.
>
> However, IF you don't like the top of your head buffeted by wind all the
> time, make it an inch taller than mine!
>
> Since it's only seven inches away, I'd say even with the top of your head.
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Douwe, Jim Kinsella and Jeff faith in front of RE-PIET at a field outside Lo
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