Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-nv
October 29, 2014 - November 28, 2014
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
With the Stewart System, Spar Varnish from Home Depot will work fine. We did
several tests before we used it just to make sure. We even soaked wood in
fuel (in a sealed jar) for several weeks with no problem
Barry
NX973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Plummer
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish
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I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the
entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over
varnish?
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Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oops... Jeff- my humble apologies. Upon re-reading what you wrote, I see that
you correctly stated that the transcontinental flight would only require ONE of
those tip tanks. Good figgerin' on your part ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Not really needed! the longest leg would be 470 miles from Iceland to the
Faeroe Islands.
So planning 5 GPH and 75 MPH and 500 miles is just under 35 gallons. So
Fill the body shaped tank, fill the wing tank, and the nose tank and maybe
carry 5 more gallons for the 1 hour reserve, in your lap to refill the wing
tank . This will require an autopilot as you stand in the back seat to fill
the wing tank. But what are the chances you will have to use the reserve?
Don;t forget you can take out the padding as the immersion suit will be so
big you can't fit otherwise. And you will have to tie the inflatable raft
under the wing.
I think that the raft requirement can by satified by FILLING THE PLANE WITH
PING PONG BALLS!
Ducking and running for cover.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Mike Salerno <mdsalern(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
Besides the fact that you would be limited to 28 days of VFR/Day only flying when
you get to the UK, I think the biggest obstacle to flying across the Atlantic
in a Pietenpol would be required IFR equipment. How many have IFR equipped
and approved planes?
Mike Salerno
>From the North Atlantic International General Aviation Operations Manual:
Aircraft Instruments and Equipment
Aircraft must be approved for IFR flight, and equipped with the following instruments
and equipment in
serviceable condition.
a) a sensitive pressure altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure;
b) a magnetic compass that operates independently of the aircraft electrical generating
system;
c) an airspeed indicator with a means of preventing malfunction due to icing (pilot
heat);
d) a turn and slip indicator or turn coordinator;
e) an adequate source of electrical energy, and an adequate supply of fuses, if
appropriate;
f) a stabilized magnetic direction indicator or a gyroscopic direction indicator;
g) an attitude indicator;
h) a vertical speed indictor;
i) an outside air temperature gauge;
j) appropriate engine power and performance indicating instruments;
k) a power failure warning device or vacuum indicator that shows the power available
to gyroscopic
instruments for each power source;
l) fuel tank quantity indicators;
m) an alternative source of static pressure for the altimeter, airspeed indicator
and vertical speed
indicator; and
n) if the flight is to be made at night;
- a means of illumination for all instruments used to operate the aircraft;
- a means of illumination for all instruments used to operate the aircraft;
- when carrying passengers, a landing light; and
- navigation lights
Communications Equipment
Very High Frequency Radio. Sufficient radio communications equipment to permit
the pilot, in the event
of failure of any item of that equipment, to conduct two-way communications on
the appropriate frequency.
High Frequency Radio. An HF radio capable of transmitting and receiving on a minimum
of two
appropriate international air-ground general purpose frequencies.
NOTE-
[1] The route Iqaluit - Sondre Stromfjord - Keflavik - ALDAN - 61N 10W - Benbecula
is
approved for non-HF equipped aircraft..
[2] Aircraft may proceed across the Atlantic without HF radio at FL250 or above
on the route
Goose Bay - Prins Christian Sund (or Narsarsuaq) - Keflavik - ALDAN - 61N 10W -
Benbecula. Operations in MNPS airspace (FL 285 to 420) is not allowed unless specific
MNPS authority is held.
Navigation Equipment
ICAO Annex 2 requires an aircraft to be equipped with adequate navigation equipment
to enable it to
navigate in accordance with the flight plan and the air traffic control clearance.
The CARs require that sufficient radio navigation equipment be installed to permit
the pilot, in the event of
the failure at any stage of the flight of any item of that equipment, including
any associated flight instrument
display.
a) to proceed to the destination aerodrome or proceed to another aerodrome that
is suitable for
landing, and
b) where the aircraft is operated in IMC, to complete an instrument approach, and
if necessary,
conduct a missed approach.
A suitable interpretation of the above would permit an aircraft equipped with VOR/ILS/ADF
and a single
GPS approved for enroute flight to operate on any of the North Atlantic routes.
On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:49 PM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
Not really needed! the longest leg would be 470 miles from Iceland to the Faeroe
Islands.
So planning 5 GPH and 75 MPH and 500 miles is just under 35 gallons. So Fill the
body shaped tank, fill the wing tank, and the nose tank and maybe carry 5 more
gallons for the 1 hour reserve, in your lap to refill the wing tank . This
will require an autopilot as you stand in the back seat to fill the wing tank.
But what are the chances you will have to use the reserve?
Don;t forget you can take out the padding as the immersion suit will be so big
you can't fit otherwise. And you will have to tie the inflatable raft under the
wing.
I think that the raft requirement can by satified by FILLING THE PLANE WITH PING
PONG BALLS!
Ducking and running for cover.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Hi All,
I would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example http://wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php .
Now I would like to add more pages with your info. If you have a Latex painted
airplane and would be willing to share you info, would you please send me:
Airplane Type:
Your name:
Home town:
Year finished:
Materials painted:
Primer used:
Color Paint used:
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish:
and photo(s):
I'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Latex paint,
Thanks
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Huh. Did Lindbergh have all that stuff when he made the crossing? He flew it
in 1927, the Piet is a 1929 design, I'm claiming that because they are from generally
the same era, the same rules will apply. Either that or I'll make the
crossing below radar coverage, land in the first suitable cow pasture "over there",
and then cover the US registry markings with UK markings in white duct
tape. I'm going to use "G-BUSH" or something else that doesn't attract attention
;o)
Move over, Steve... I'm ducking into the same foxhole...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Some more general ponderings about trim and a question.
For most of the around-the-patch flying I do, in level "cruise" flight, I "trim"
with the throttle. If the nose is dipping, I bump up maybe 50 rpm (usually less).
If I detect a slight climb, I pull the throttle back just a little. The
difference in airspeed is usually less than 5 mph. I don't really need a trim
mechanism for this.
Where I would like trim is on climb-out, where I need to push forward on the stick
if the fuselage tank is less than 3/4 full and there is no passenger, and
on base and final, when I've pulled power back to idle and I need to pull the
stick back quite a bit to keep the nose up and maintain 50-55 mph.
For all those who have a trim system on their Piets (Scott, Barry, Gary, and others),
does your trim system work with enough power to, say, maintain a steady
airspeed while on final? I find that final is the most extreme (relative, of
course).
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Not to muddy the waters any more, I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller Aviation Museum
in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate things and I
have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the cockpit controls
as the airplane was about 15 fett over my head.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Terry: is that the museum with the Long EZ on the roof? Friends have told me it's
worth visiting.
I see what you mean about the added complexity with the pulleys. I can only imagine
what this setup would do if the cable broke.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Malcolm;
I don't have a latex paint project per se, but I do have a test setup that I was
working on, in case you want to include a link to it:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
I still have the test coupons and I need to set them up outdoors to see what a
year of weathering does to them.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
One and the same museum. If you are ever in the area you should stop by not big,
but it has some interesting exhibits.
I like the double Bowden cable idea, FWIW.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> Not to muddy the waters any more, but I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller Aviation
Museum in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate things
and I have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the cockpit controls
as the airplane was about 15 feet over my head.
Actually, for a retro-fit, the pulley system may be easier to install.
A very similar system is on John Doig's Piet. Photos at WestcoastPiet. Here's the
trim tab:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0575.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0576.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0574.JPG
And the cockpit controls:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0598.JPG
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
You're not related to a fellow named Corrigan are you.
Clif
Either that or I'll make the crossing below radar coverage, land in the
first suitable cow pasture "over there", > --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
We let you good Americans fly your N reg aircraft here indefinitely as long as
it is insured and your license is current.
We have N reg aircraft based here permanently and can even obtain a US license
here to fly them!
English Johnny
Still on wing spars
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The only way is UP
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
English Johnny, I have a British Pietenpol question.
Y'all have to build to engineering approved plans. The British approved
plans have one jury strut on the front strut. WHY? In the US, I see jury
struts on both struts. Why the front strut?
Some background, a local with some homebuilding experience is adamant that
putting jury struts on a Piet is a engineering disaster. The "result" will
be the wing being too stiff out to the strut attachment and it will fold up
at that point.
I am putting Jury struts back on mine. First, they were on before and the
wing did not collapse after 20 years of flight. Second, my study of FAA
Pietenpol accidents show Zero wing failures. Indeed Zero structural
failures in flight! (there was one accident where a flying wire broke and
several Gregas has pushtubes fail. causing accidents.) There are
discussions of Struts folding under negative Gs (IE hard landing) and that
is the reason for the Jury struts.
I also understand that the jury struts should not be centered on the strut
as that lends itself to a harmonic vibration.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
Piet under restoration.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:55 AM, johnnysdrop
wrote:
> johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>
>
> We let you good Americans fly your N reg aircraft here indefinitely as
> long as it is insured and your license is current.
>
> We have N reg aircraft based here permanently and can even obtain a US
> license here to fly them!
> English Johnny
> Still on wing spars
>
> --------
> The only way is UP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432536#432536
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
>
>
> Airplane Type: Pietepol Air Camper
> Your name: Steve Dortch
> Home town: San Antonio, Texas
> Year finished: 1975 (under restoration)
> Materials painted: ceconite
> Primer used: Sherwin williams
> Color Paint used: White, Yellow, Red, Blue, Black
>
rolled some, brushed some, sprayed most with HVLP sprayer.
> --
>
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jeff,
I just use my trim to relieve stick pressures during level flight. The stick pressures
change a lot in my plane during fuel burn. I have a 10 gallon nose tank
and a 12.5 gallon center section tank. When the nose tank only has 5 gallons
or lees in it I am very tail heavy. This is when I need the trim the most.
Your question regarding trimming during landing is a definite no. I tend to
not make approaches in a straight line. I will usually be in a turning slip
to final much like you see people do in a Pitts or other Biplanes. I don't even
notice the stick forces during landing. Oh, It's nice to have during climb
out too.
Not sure if that really answers your question, The plane isn't stable enough to
ever let go of the stick anyway.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
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| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack, did you use the Stits epoxy varnish or the urethane varnish?
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432562#432562
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
I used the PolyFiber Epoxy varnish on top of polyurethane, throughout the
airplane. Polyurethane spar varnish (1 part) is cheaper so I used it for
the first coat, then put on a top coat of epoxy varnish. My landing gear
struts are left just as (epoxy) varnished spruce and have taken a lot of
abuse in the past 10 years, with no degradation of the finish. I love that
epoxy varnish! It is expensive, but not in the grand scheme of things. I
spent about $200 on epoxy varnish for the entire airplane. That's a pretty
small percentage of the $15,000 I spent building it and well worth it to
protect the structure, in my opinion.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Plummer
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
Jack, did you use the Stits epoxy varnish or the urethane varnish?
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or container
into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432568#432568
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| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I've seen several photos where the outboard sections of the center section end
ribs and (inboard) wing end ribs are covered with a full size gusset; the Hatz
Classic does it that way. I don't see that on my plans, so wondering if I missed
it or that's just become the norm.
--------
John
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
John,
I believe it's good practice to thin the first coat about 50% so you get better
penetration into the wood...I just brushed mine and did a little sanding between
coats. Yes, it's a pain and takes a long time which is what scratch-building
is all about!
John F.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Pocono John <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2014 1:36 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
>
>
>I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or container
into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
>
>--------
>John
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432568#432568
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Airplane Type: Pietenpol Aircamper
Your name: Gary Boothe
Home town: Plumas Lake, CA
Year finished: 2012
Materials painted: Dacron with Kelly Moore
Primer used: Kelly Moore
Color Paint used: Tan & Olive, custom matched
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish: Hand brushed
and photo(s):
Thanks, Malcolm!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Request for Latex Paint Projects
Hi All,
I would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your
latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example
http://wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php.
Now I would like to add more pages with your info. If you have a Latex
painted airplane and would be willing to share you info, would you
please send me:
Airplane Type:
Your name:
Home town:
Year finished:
Materials painted:
Primer used:
Color Paint used:
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish:
and photo(s):
I'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Latex
paint,
Thanks
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
2nd BFR in my Piet. Word of advice: Make sure your CFI knows that you are
flipping ON the smoke switch.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com> |
I am finishing up my rudder and stab. I like the simple Ray Allen Trim Servo. Install
it in the elevator just like you would a RC Servo and push rod. For power
if I do not have a starter battery, I will power trim system with a lipo battery
along with my hand-held and GPS.
(On the same subject of controls) I have looked at the geometry of the elevator
system and it does not work out. Do the control cables sag as you change stick
position. If you move the control stick forward 15degs. and back 15 degs., the
cable push and pull is not even. This is because the cable on the back stick
connection comes under the 2" pulley, and the front cable goes over the top
of the pulley. The cables from the bell crank to the elevator do not work out.
they hit the front of the horizontal stabilizer and sag. What can be done to
fix this? Is it something to worry about. The bell crank on the original plans
under controls calls for the bearing to be 9" off the bottom. On the extended
fuse update 7-1/8". In another area it calls out 7". The lower it is the more
it rubs.
--------
Scott
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432578#432578
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cable_movement_elevator_controls_573.pdf
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I assume he jumped. Where there's smoke, there's fire? Were you able to get his
signature in your log book before he croaked? :)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Too funny Gary!!! You alarmed him a bit did you? I'll bet once he k
new it was intentional he liked it.
Smoke on!!!
Mike C.
Ohio
PS-well......did he pass you????? :))))
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BFR
2nd BFR in my Piet. Word of advice: Make sure your CFI knows that you are
flipping ON the smoke switch.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Oscar,
I already have you site linked on my Latex History page http://wienerdogaero.com/LatexHistory.php. You have some great information. Thanks for making it available.
I'm linking the projects off of a "Showcase" page. http://wienerdogaero.com/Showcase.php
Enjoy,
Malcolm Morrison
Wiener Dog Aero
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:42:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects
Malcolm;
I don't have a latex paint project per se, but I do have a test setup that I was
working on, in case you want to include a link to it:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
I still have the test coupons and I need to set them up outdoors to see what a
year of weathering does to them.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
He was laughing about it by the time we got down...:-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BFR
-->
I assume he jumped. Where there's smoke, there's fire? Were you able to
get his signature in your log book before he croaked? :)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432579#432579
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
John I sprayed mine 50% first coat and 100% for additional coats...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:35 PM, John Franklin wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> I believe it's good practice to thin the first coat about 50% so you get better
penetration into the wood...I just brushed mine and did a little sanding between
coats. Yes, it's a pain and takes a long time which is what scratch-building
is all about!
>
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pocono John <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Oct 30, 2014 1:36 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or container
into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
>>
>> --------
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432568#432568
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you Jack and John. Finally have rib jig done and gussets/sticks cut, so about
to make ribs and then I'll varnish them.
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432591#432591
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| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I used a nautical product called Epiphanes on my gear legs with very good re
sults. No experience with UV or wear and tear yet but sure looks nice. It's m
eant for canoes and kayaks so I expect it should be quite resilient.
Scott K.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 30, 2014, at 7:55 PM, "Jack" wrote:
>
>
> John I sprayed mine 50% first coat and 100% for additional coats...
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:35 PM, John Franklin wrote:
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I believe it's good practice to thin the first coat about 50% so you get b
etter penetration into the wood...I just brushed mine and did a little sandi
ng between coats. Yes, it's a pain and takes a long time which is what scra
tch-building is all about!
>>
>> John F.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pocono John <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 30, 2014 1:36 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
>>>
>
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or con
tainer into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432568#432568
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
He was probably wishing he had a parachute. It would be fun to see how fast
he could get out of a Piet.
Cheers, Jim
=C2-
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| Subject: | Corvair College 32, 27 February - 1 March 2015 |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
That time of year again. We'll hold CC32 in San Marcos, TX.
Here's the facebook page with information:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-32-27-Feb-1-Mar-15/320305497999282
I'll let you know when the registration website is up.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Ray Allen electric trim servo |
I installed a Ray Allen servo in the elevator under an inspection cover.
The actuator rod exists the bottom and controls an approximately 10" section
of 1" extruded aluminum piano hinge.
Works great, lightweight, simple, unobtrusive and there's just a hidden
switch in the cockpit.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Yahoo! Account Service <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism now elevator cables |
Scott,
If you just hook up the stick to bell crank the cables will ether be too tight
or too slack. The weight of the elevator when it is hooked to the bell crank will
take up the slack.
As far as the cable hitting the horz stab, just glue a piece of leather in that
place, and don't worry about it.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
>From: namrednos <namrednos(at)yahoo.com>
>
>(On the same subject of controls) I have looked at the geometry of the elevator
system and it does not work out. Do the control cables sag as you change stick
position. If you move the control stick forward 15degs. and back 15 degs.,
the cable push and pull is not even. This is because the cable on the back stick
connection comes under the 2" pulley, and the front cable goes over the top
of the pulley. The cables from the bell crank to the elevator do not work out.
they hit the front of the horizontal stabilizer and sag. What can be done to
fix this? Is it something to worry about. The bell crank on the original plans
under controls calls for the bearing to be 9" off the bottom. On the extended
fuse update 7-1/8". In another area it calls out 7". The lower it is the more
it rubs.
>
>--------
>Scott
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432578#432578
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/cable_movement_elevator_controls_573.pdf
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen electric trim servo |
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
Wonder what the eye bolt on the top of the tail is for???
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> Not to muddy the waters any more, but I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller
Aviation Museum in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate
things and I have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the
cockpit controls as the airplane was about 15 feet over my head.
Actually, for a retro-fit, the pulley system may be easier to install.
A very similar system is on John Doig's Piet. Photos at WestcoastPiet.
Here's the trim tab:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0575.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0576.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0574.JPG
And the cockpit controls:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0598.JPG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432524#432524
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Request for Latex Paint Projects |
I know this is a little off post, but this is a flight simulator our EAA
Chapter just finished. This pic is in my shop and was before the decals
were applied. We used Sherwin Williams latex primer and finish paint. We
also used a short knap roller so we could get a flat
=9Cmilitary=9D look. Found that if you =9Cgo
over=9D the wet paint a second time, it creates a very flat look.
See the windshield in the picture, it has a fuzzy look, but for our
application, that=99s great. So apply one coat and let it get dry
before applying another one if you want a glossy finish.
This was our first attempt at latex, but after it turned out so good, I
don=99t think it will be our last.
Barry
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Request for Latex Paint Projects
Hi All,
I would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your
latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example
http://wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php.
Now I would like to add more pages with your info. If you have a Latex
painted airplane and would be willing to share you info, would you
please send me:
Airplane Type:
Your name:
Home town:
Year finished:
Materials painted:
Primer used:
Color Paint used:
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish:
and photo(s):
I'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Latex
paint,
Thanks
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
Hi Steve
I can't answer why we have to fit jury straps at all let alone just one, I agree
they look wrong! I guess there is a good reason connected with the Jim Wills
design wing we use here though looking at photos of G-ADRA which has a solid
Bernie Pietenpol spar that has jury struts also, very confusing.
More weight to carry with these as well as image.
Cheers,
English Johnny
--------
The only way is UP
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
im painting my heath parasol with latex. drop me a note direct at JNL96@ya
hoo.com=0A=0A. =0A=0A=0AOn Friday, October 31, 2014 10:14 AM, Barry Davis <
bed(at)mindspring.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AI know this is a little off post, b
ut this is a flight simulator our EAA Chapter just finished. This pic is in
my shop and was before the decals were applied. We used Sherwin Williams l
atex primer and finish paint. We also used a short knap roller so we could
get a flat =9Cmilitary=9D look. Found that if you =9Cgo o
ver=9D the wet paint a second time, it creates a very flat look. See
the windshield in the picture, it has a fuzzy look, but for our application
, that=99s great. So apply one coat and let it get dry before applyi
ng another one if you want a glossy finish.=0AThis was our first attempt at
latex, but after it turned out so good, I don=99t think it will be o
ur last.=0ABarry=0ANX973BP=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics
.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of glider
x5(at)comcast.net=0ASent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:37 PM=0ATo: Pietenpol
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Request for Latex Paint Projects=0A =0AHi All,
=0A =0AI would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your
latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example http:/
/wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php.=0ANow I would like to add more pages w
ith your info. If you have a Latex painted airplane and would be willing to
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:=0AHome town:=0AYear finished:=0AMaterials painted:=0APrimer used:=0AColor
Paint used:=0Awebsite if you have one:=0ANotes on your finish:=0Aand photo
(s):=0A =0AI'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Lat
ex paint,=0A =0AThanks=0AMalcolm Morrison=0Ahttp://www.wienerdogaero.com/
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ion
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| Subject: | Larger Pietenpol Drawings |
| From: | Todd Pryby <tpryby(at)cox.net> |
I bought the complete set of plans for the Aircamper because there a so many excellent
examples of good looking completed projects. I then realized my large
body size, 260 and 6' 3", would not easily fit this aircraft.
I've heard tales about the builder plans having been increased to provide a larger
cockpit and more lift. I cannot find any source to confirm these stories.
Can somebody help me with this problem?
Todd
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| Subject: | Re: Larger Pietenpol Drawings |
| From: | John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
Todd,
My fuselage is 2" wider and 3" deeper from plans. I'm 6' 4" and fit in it reasonably
comfortablely. I've sat in it lots but haven't flown yet so jury is still
out, sort of.
Good luck on your project.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Todd Pryby wrote:
>
>
> I bought the complete set of plans for the Aircamper because there a so many
excellent examples of good looking completed projects. I then realized my large
body size, 260 and 6' 3", would not easily fit this aircraft.
>
> I've heard tales about the builder plans having been increased to provide a larger
cockpit and more lift. I cannot find any source to confirm these stories.
>
> Can somebody help me with this problem?
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen electric trim servo |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Photos, please. Thanks!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432805#432805
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
I have a new movie up in which I'm testing a trim system comprised of a bungee
cord and a clothesline tightener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfUMSuEMEwc
The movie doesn't show the trim system (I will post pictures later if it really
works out). What the movie shows is that the system will hold my Piet right at
55 mph from abeam the numbers to roll out, with no input from me (other than
a short shot of throttle to clear the fence!). This was a good thing because
the sun was in my eyes and I had very little sight down the runway. The trim system
was sort of "land-o-matic"
So, my Piet is fairly easily trimmed for downwind-base-final-landing.
I played around with it at altitude, and even if I don't use the tightener "valve"
to release the bungee, I can still power up as though to do a go round. It
does require a hefty amount of forward pressure to overcome the bungee, though.
Obviously the idea is to pull the tightener valve to relieve bungee tension
when it's not needed.
I also used the system to play around in slow flight, and spent some time doing
30 degree banked lazy eights and 360s at 45-50 mph. Rock steady (though this
was in the evening, so there were no up/downdrafts and little wind).
The tightener was cheap (under $5 from Ace Hardware) and looks like this:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7131/7559033132_e9231e5594.jpg
Imagine the line on the left being a bungee cord hooking to the rear of the control
stick torque tube. On the right, the tightener U-ring is attached to the
control stick just below the control stick hand grip instead of to the eyebolt
in the photo. If you want to trim for "up", pull the bungee cord that sticks
out of the tightener valve. This stretches the bungee and locks it into that length.
The bungee tension holds the stick back. If you want to release that trim,
pull on the valve (it's mouth is shaped like a trumpet or trombone bell).
It's clunky to use right now, so I may optimize it a bit. However, even as it is,
it's meets my main goal of trimming for the pattern.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432827#432827
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen electric trim servo |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
I would be interested in seeing photos and or drawings too
John
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:37 AM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote:
>
> Hi Douwe,
>
> What is the servo base fastened to? Did you glue in a plate or something? A
ny photos of the installation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2014 at 8:08 AM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ray Allen electric trim servo
>
> I installed a Ray Allen servo in the elevator under an inspection cover. T
he actuator rod exists the bottom and controls an approximately 10=C3=A2=82
=AC=C2=9D section of 1=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D extruded aluminum piano hinge.
>
> Works great, lightweight, simple, unobtrusive and there=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2s just a hidden switch in the cockpit.
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff;
This is a very interesting development. By all means, keep fiddling with it to
see if it can be made handier to use. I know I would be interested in it, because
(for example) when I fly with the tank topped off (16 gallons in the nose),
I have to hold back stick for the first hour or so till fuel burns off. It
would be handy to trim for a more neutral stick, regardless of whether or not
it was handy enough to use for trimming for approach.
I think 55-57 is the sweet spot for approach speed in smooth air in most Piets,
but 2 or 3 MPH either side of that can make a pretty significant difference in
how the approach goes. It's good to see the number that works for your Land-O-Matic
approach.
Last thing: watch out for the Hun when you're vulnerable like you were on that
approach (sun in your eyes). He'll come down right at you from high overhead
with guns blazing and you won't see him till it's too late and you hear bullets
zipping through the wood and fabric ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
There aren't any plans in existence for a larger fuselage (unless the UK
plans show a larger fuse, in which case they're not available here
anyways.)
A fair number of people have enlarged the fuse for the very reason you
state, but they are doing on their own. It's more complicated than it
sounds because once you change one dimensions, ten others are effected, but
it can certainly be done if your heart is set on a Piet. You'll also want
to raise the wing a few inches.
Good luck,
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Ray Allen electric trim servo |
Tried to attach a zipped file but didn=99t work, here are some
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Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
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I would be interested in seeing photos and or drawings too
John
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On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:37 AM, "Boatright, Jeffrey"
wrote:
Hi Douwe,
What is the servo base fastened to? Did you glue in a plate or
something? Any photos of the installation.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2014 at 8:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ray Allen electric trim servo
I installed a Ray Allen servo in the elevator under an inspection cover.
The actuator rod exists the bottom and controls an approximately
10=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D section of 1=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D extruded
aluminum piano hinge.
Works great, lightweight, simple, unobtrusive and
there=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s just a hidden switch in the cockpit.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Ray Allen electric trim servo |
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen electric trim servo |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Beautiful work, Jack!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432964#432964
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| Subject: | pietenpol project for sale |
| From: | "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
i am selling my pietenpol project. this is a very nice project for someone to finish.
here are the details. tail complete, covered and painted, fuselage covered
and has two coats of poly brush, all controls, cables and tailwheel installed.
center section and fuel tank finished. right wing finished with controls
and hardware installed and ready for cover. long cabanes. engine cont 65 low time
less that 100 hours, very nice sench wooden prop. all instruments installed
motor mount fitted. landing gear finished and fitted with matco hydraulic brakes.
enough superflite fabric comes with the project to complete it. finally
the left wing is a little more than 50% finished. strut material included. this
project is exactly plans built with standard fuselage. its a bernie pietenpol
as he intended it to be. price is negotiable with a serious buyer. only serious
craftsmen call.. 817 578 1215..pics avaiable. thanks for reading this.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432987#432987
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| Subject: | Vi Kapler style hinges |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers;
To all who were interested in the Kapler style cast aluminum tail hinges, thank
you for your patience. I recently received a batch of castings from the foundry
and they are quite good. With the small stock of castings that I got from
Vi when I bought his parts and tooling, I now have enough material to produce
about 30 sets of hinges (9 pairs). In the attached photo you can see what 269
pairs of the rough castings look like, but there are a few rejects among them
and I have yet to begin machining them to final shape (all by hand), which may
turn up a void or flaw in a couple more. The foundry and my supplier were
very good to me, so I can continue to offer them at what I think is a reasonable
price: $72 a set plus $3 shipping in the U.S., total of $75 for the nine pairs
of hinges that go in the tail group on an Air Camper. I've found out that
these hinges are nearly identical to those used on the W.A.R. replicas, so there
may be a wider market for them than I originally thought, but I'm not sure
of that yet. My first priority will be to supply Piet builders.
I am not ready to start taking orders yet, but I wanted to report that I do have
the raw stock to start putting hinges back in the supply pipeline as I get sets
finished and I hope to do that soon. Those who have already contacted me,
I have your names on the list. I appreciate it, and I hope to be of service
to builders if I can produce hinges equal to those that Vi has been supplying
for years. I will also be load-testing a random hinge to destruction and will
report on my findings when I'm done.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432989#432989
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler style hinges |
| From: | "Lorenzo" <larharris2(at)msn.com> |
Good news! We exchanged emails about this earlier this year. If I'm not already
on your wait list, please add me (L. Harris, Tellico Plains, TN). Well done for
this valuable service.
Lorenzo
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432996#432996
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler style hinges |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
You are a good man. Keep it up buddy.
Three Cheers for Oscar,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | A Great Film Showing Grassroots Aviation |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
The EAA just posted the following short video on YouTube -
http://youtu.be/wvXAX0C2q5c
It is a short video based on a longer video that was released to all EAA chapters
this morning. It is a video by Brady Lane highlighting Corvair College last
November in Barnwell SC. Hats off to our very own P.F. Beck and his team for
hosting the Corvair College. They do an awesome job supporting everyone. The EAA
felt strong enough that this is a great example of grassroots aviation that
they made the film and seni it out.
Seeing some of our very own, like P.F., Dick Navratil and Bob Dewenter is great,
but seeing the camaraderie of the builders is the story. Seeing a grandson and
his grandfather hug as they watch their engine run on the test stand is just
not to be missed. No matter what aircraft you are building or what engine you
are using, if this video doesn't motivate you, then as they say, "you just ain't
right!"
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433007#433007
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| Subject: | She DID IT in a Piet! |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Take a look at this young lady...
http://www.eaa.org/eaa/eaa-news-and-aviation-news/eaa/2014-11-06-student-now-a-pilot-thanks-to-gathering-flight-training-scholarship
Hope she's able to go all the way to space!
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Tom Kreiner
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433013#433013
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: She DID IT in a Piet! |
Tom,
My 17 year old grandson just soled this last Tuesday, but in our Aeronca. Too bad
my SkyScout was not ready! Now I have a good reason to get it finished. He
sure loves flying, hope he can stay focused on both school and flying...right
now flying is his passion. Hope it replaces girls for a while! He just got an
$88,000 scholarship to attend the University of Portland to study engineering.
He will be able to show me how to build the next PIET!
Ray Krause
Rigging the wings next week, then fabric work.
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 5:08 PM, tkreiner wrote:
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> Tom Kreiner
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| From: | Jim Brewer <alpha(at)concordnc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Great Film Showing Grassroots Aviation |
Bravo, Bravo! Bravo Zulu to P. F. Beck and crew; William Wynne and his
supporting cast! The wife still talks about the ride P. F. gave her in
his Pietenpol!
On 11/06/2014 04:57 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> The EAA just posted the following short video on YouTube -
>
> http://youtu.be/wvXAX0C2q5c
>
> It is a short video based on a longer video that was released to all EAA chapters
this morning. It is a video by Brady Lane highlighting Corvair College last
November in Barnwell SC. Hats off to our very own P.F. Beck and his team for
hosting the Corvair College. They do an awesome job supporting everyone. The
EAA felt strong enough that this is a great example of grassroots aviation that
they made the film and seni it out.
>
> Seeing some of our very own, like P.F., Dick Navratil and Bob Dewenter is great,
but seeing the camaraderie of the builders is the story. Seeing a grandson
and his grandfather hug as they watch their engine run on the test stand is just
not to be missed. No matter what aircraft you are building or what engine
you are using, if this video doesn't motivate you, then as they say, "you just
ain't right!"
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433007#433007
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Great Film Showing Grassroots Aviation |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Perfect timing, too. The College is once again convening in Barnwell this weekend!
Congratulations to all who were involved in the production of this great
video. Very inspiring. Also good luck to those who will be attending the College
this weekend!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433019#433019
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| Subject: | Re: A Great Film Showing Grassroots Aviation |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Awesome - just great to see all the Piet folks and WW. I did not know the events
were so big. Very cool.....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Rib stitching question |
2 1/2" spacing pulls the fabric up against the ribs in the under camber area on
the bottom of the wing. 3 1/2" spacing leaves a little gap between stitches.
Is it worth making that area 2 1/2" spacing to avoid that gap?
Sent from my smartphone.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
| From: | "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Pics of that rib stitching gap...not the best pics but will hopefully give you
an idea of the gap....anything to worry about?
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: She DID IT in a Piet! |
HI Ray,
Congratulations on your grandson's solo in the Champ. Glad to hear he=C2-
is going into engineering. He picked a good career choice for broad opport
unities within engineering.
=C2-
He will probably help you reeingineer the Piet!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler style hinges |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Can you let me know when you start selling? I'll buy a set.
Thanks!
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler style hinges |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar, Put me on the list to buy. I don't need them now but would like a
set on the shelf.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:15 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers;
>
> To all who were interested in the Kapler style cast aluminum tail hinges,
> thank you for your patience. I recently received a batch of castings from
> the foundry and they are quite good. With the small stock of castings that
> I got from Vi when I bought his parts and tooling, I now have enough
> material to produce about 30 sets of hinges (9 pairs). In the attached
> photo you can see what 269 pairs of the rough castings look like, but there
> are a few rejects among them and I have yet to begin machining them to
> final shape (all by hand), which may turn up a void or flaw in a couple
> more. The foundry and my supplier were very good to me, so I can continue
> to offer them at what I think is a reasonable price: $72 a set plus $3
> shipping in the U.S., total of $75 for the nine pairs of hinges that go in
> the tail group on an Air Camper. I've found out that these hinges are
> nearly identical to those used on the W.A.R. replicas, so there may be a
> wider market for them than I originally!
> thought, but I'm not sure of that yet. My first priority will be to
> supply Piet builders.
>
> I am not ready to start taking orders yet, but I wanted to report that I
> do have the raw stock to start putting hinges back in the supply pipeline
> as I get sets finished and I hope to do that soon. Those who have already
> contacted me, I have your names on the list. I appreciate it, and I hope
> to be of service to builders if I can produce hinges equal to those that Vi
> has been supplying for years. I will also be load-testing a random hinge
> to destruction and will report on my findings when I'm done.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432989#432989
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hinge_small_787.jpg
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
Aren't you using Stewart System glue? I glued my ribs to the fabric
prior to applying the reinforcement tapes and rib stitching.
Ben
On 11/7/2014 7:53 AM, dfwplt wrote:
>
> Pics of that rib stitching gap...not the best pics but will hopefully give you
an idea of the gap....anything to worry about?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433111#433111
>
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--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Look at the rib stitching and hi-speed tape starting at 1:08 of this video. It's
a good reminder (to me, anyway), of how much force is pulling on that fabric,
which in turn is pulling on those stitches. Gentle climbing turn, under 70 mph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdcKXbX8eVw
I'd stitch closely (2.5" vs 3.5") and follow other instructions from the fabric
system manufacturer. This may be being overly cautious, but separation of fabric
from structure has occurred, and with deadly outcomes:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 001207X03218&key=1
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433130#433130
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: She DID IT in a Piet! |
Thanks, Jim. He's a good kid, willing to work. Not too common these days.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> HI Ray,
> Congratulations on your grandson's solo in the Champ. Glad to hear he is g
oing into engineering. He picked a good career choice for broad opportunitie
s within engineering.
>
> He will probably help you reeingineer the Piet!
> Cheers,
> Jim B.
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
Should the lower portion of the wing be stitched BEFORE shrinking?
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 4:53 AM, dfwplt wrote:
>
>
> Pics of that rib stitching gap...not the best pics but will hopefully give you
an idea of the gap....anything to worry about?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433111#433111
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
Like many factors in building the answer is"it depends".
I used the PolyFiber process and in their process if I remember correctly (I
did this over 10 years ago), they had you glue the fabric to the ribs, then
heat shrink at 250 degrees, then rib stitch, then do the 300 and 350 degree
shrinks.
Read and FOLLOW the manual for whatever process you are using. If they
manual doesn't cover how to do undercambered wings, call their customer
support line and ask them. Use their resources, not someone on an email
list that may or may not be familiar with their process.
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib stitching question
Should the lower portion of the wing be stitched BEFORE shrinking?
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 4:53 AM, dfwplt wrote:
>
>
> Pics of that rib stitching gap...not the best pics but will hopefully give
you an idea of the gap....anything to worry about?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433111#433111
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
Thanks, Jack. Great advice on all points. I will be using the Stewart System and
will follow all their directions. I am still on schedule to start covering in
December. Looking forward to it.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
>
> Like many factors in building the answer is"it depends".
>
> I used the PolyFiber process and in their process if I remember correctly (I
> did this over 10 years ago), they had you glue the fabric to the ribs, then
> heat shrink at 250 degrees, then rib stitch, then do the 300 and 350 degree
> shrinks.
>
> Read and FOLLOW the manual for whatever process you are using. If they
> manual doesn't cover how to do undercambered wings, call their customer
> support line and ask them. Use their resources, not someone on an email
> list that may or may not be familiar with their process.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:51 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib stitching question
>
>
> Should the lower portion of the wing be stitched BEFORE shrinking?
>
> Ray Krause
> Building SkyScout
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 4:53 AM, dfwplt wrote:
>>
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>> Pics of that rib stitching gap...not the best pics but will hopefully give
> you an idea of the gap....anything to worry about?
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| Subject: | A Great Day in Barnwell |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Just got home from being at Corvair College. I was only able to be there today
but it runs Friday through Sunday. The Pietenpol contingent was well represented.
-congrats to Chuck Campbell for running his engine.
-congrats to Keith Goff who got the last run of the day on his engine
-John Francis got much accomplished on his engine and is not too far off from running
his engine
-it was great to see Bob Dewenter volunteering his time to help fellow builders.
-Got to see two Southern gentlemen, P.F.Beck and Don Harper and their hospitality
-Tim Hansen working on his engine
-Bob Lester flew his Piet up from FL, yelling "I NEED COFFEE!" as he shut down.
(it was COLD in Barnwell in the morning!)
I will stop naming names as I know I will leave someone out. No offense if I did.
Best of all was William Wynne and Grace Wynne providing a setting for all types
of builders to make great progress on their projects. A great aviation weekend.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Works well!
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
photo
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Another photo
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Fourth photo
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Fifth photo
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Sorry, I was having trouble interacting with the Matronics site last night. Here's
the original message that the photos above are a follow-up to:
I have a new movie up in which I'm testing a trim system comprised of a bungee
cord and a clothesline tightener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfUMSuEMEwc
The movie doesn't show the trim system (I will post pictures later if it really
works out). What the movie shows is that the system will hold my Piet right at
55 mph from abeam the numbers to roll out, with no input from me (other than
a short shot of throttle to clear the fence!). This was a good thing because
the sun was in my eyes and I had very little sight down the runway. The trim system
was sort of "land-o-matic"
So, my Piet is fairly easily trimmed for downwind-base-final-landing.
I played around with it at altitude, and even if I don't use the tightener "valve"
to release the bungee, I can still power up as though to do a go round. It
does require a hefty amount of forward pressure to overcome the bungee, though.
Obviously the idea is to pull the tightener valve to relieve bungee tension
when it's not needed.
I also used the system to play around in slow flight, and spent some time doing
30 degree banked lazy eights and 360s at 45-50 mph. Rock steady (though this
was in the evening, so there were no up/downdrafts and little wind).
The tightener was cheap (under $5 from Ace Hardware) and looks like this:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7131/7559033132_e9231e5594.jpg
Imagine the line on the left being a bungee cord hooking to the rear of the control
stick torque tube. On the right, the tightener U-ring is attached to the
control stick just below the control stick hand grip instead of to the eyebolt
in the photo. If you want to trim for "up", pull the bungee cord that sticks
out of the tightener valve. This stretches the bungee and locks it into that length.
The bungee tension holds the stick back. If you want to release that trim,
pull on the valve (it's mouth is shaped like a trumpet or trombone bell).
It's clunky to use right now, so I may optimize it a bit. However, even as it is,
it's meets my main goal of trimming for the pattern.
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| Subject: | Re: A Great Film Showing Grassroots Aviation |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I just returned from Corvair College #31 in Barnwell where the video was
made last year. I ran my Corvair engine for the first time Saturday
morning. Unless you have experienced the thrill of seeing and hearing the
engine that you built up with your bare hands you just can't imagine what
it felt like when William pushed the starter button the first time and the
engine roared to life. What a thrill. Tears came to my eyes -- I couldn't
help it. Everyone should build up an engine even if you are never going to
fly behind it. It's an experience you will never forget. Chuck
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:57 PM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> The EAA just posted the following short video on YouTube -
>
> http://youtu.be/wvXAX0C2q5c
>
> It is a short video based on a longer video that was released to all EAA
> chapters this morning. It is a video by Brady Lane highlighting Corvair
> College last November in Barnwell SC. Hats off to our very own P.F. Beck
> and his team for hosting the Corvair College. They do an awesome job
> supporting everyone. The EAA felt strong enough that this is a great
> example of grassroots aviation that they made the film and seni it out.
>
> Seeing some of our very own, like P.F., Dick Navratil and Bob Dewenter is
> great, but seeing the camaraderie of the builders is the story. Seeing a
> grandson and his grandfather hug as they watch their engine run on the test
> stand is just not to be missed. No matter what aircraft you are building or
> what engine you are using, if this video doesn't motivate you, then as they
> say, "you just ain't right!"
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433007#433007
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching question |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Jim, I was thinking the same thing. I am considering gluing the fabric to
the ribs before tautening and rib stitching. What says the experts who
have already been down this road? Chuck
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Jim Markle
wrote:
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> 2 1/2" spacing pulls the fabric up against the ribs in the under camber
> area on the bottom of the wing. 3 1/2" spacing leaves a little gap between
> stitches. Is it worth making that area 2 1/2" spacing to avoid that gap?
>
> Sent from my smartphone.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, it's simple alright! Seeing your handheld and radio stuff in the cockpit
reminds me of what a pain mine is. I've got to do something different, because
it's driving me nuts. Mine is a little Icom IC-A23 and what I do is clip it
to the map holder down by my right calf using the belt clip on the back of the
battery case. Well, that's fine until I pull the radio out to change frequencies.
If I'm not real careful, the battery case snaps off and my radio is dead.
Then I get to do the stick-between-my-knees shuffle, pull off one or both
gloves and hope they don't fly out, fumble around for the battery and clip,
get everything back together, power up the radio, and then pull the airplane out
of a screaming, diving left corkscrew spiral ;o) I've got to find my Bill
Rewey "handy details" and bend up one of his radio brackets to hold it up where
I can see it and get to the buttons easier.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The Air Camper worked its magic for me again yesterday. We've had some gray and
drizzly mornings lately, but it usually breaks up after lunch and we get a couple
of hours of sunshine. Gambling on that happening, I went out to the hangar
after lunch and prepared for flight. As I was preflighting, the sky was clearing
and by the time I was ready to roll the airplane out, it was beautiful
with calm winds and almost no traffic.
I had been correcting the camber on my axles, because it had been uneven from one side to the other and I had used washers to shim the axles out rather than the proper tapered shims. There are a couple of pictures of the shimming here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/axle.html . I also replaced a tire and tube on one side, but everything was done and the airplane was ready to fly. So was I!
Interesting little 'chat' with the ground controller, as he said my call sign was
incorrect. "November Xray Four One Charlie Charlie", I repeated. "One Charlie
Charlie, Is that what's painted on your tail?" he asks. "Four One Charlie
Charlie, roger." That ended that little discussion, but I bet he went to find
out about that NX- tail number.
Beautiful day, smooth flight, on runup the RPM drop was textbook perfect on carb
heat and both mags, and off we went. I've finally started listening to you
pilots who suggest just letting it fly itself off. I'd always been taught to
hold forward stick to bring the tail up, hold it, then rotate when the airspeed
was good. Nahh... there is no need. Scout needs considerable forward stick
force to pick up the tail early, so yesterday instead of forcing it, I just
tried letting it do what it wanted and that worked great. We lifted off and climbed
out like the airplane knew what it was doing.
A very nice bit of sightseeing in the autumn air with autumn colors everywhere,
then some power on and power off stalls (non events), then back to the field.
I must say that the landing was the best that I have made in a very, very long
time. One of those where you roll out from base to final with the runway centerline
stripes just falling in perfect alignment with the center of the prop
and then not budging. Down the glideslope with out even stirring the stick,
down into ground effect, ease the stick back... back... back- and I was down
without even knowing when it happened.
This is why we fly Piets.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen electric trim servo |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Jack, we are on the same page, I did mine exactly like yours...
--------
NX321LR
Now test flying!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Trombone bungee trim |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
taildrags wrote:
> Well, it's simple alright! Seeing your handheld and radio stuff in the cockpit
reminds me of what a pain mine is. I've got to do something different, because
it's driving me nuts. Mine is a little Icom IC-A23 and what I do is clip
it to the map holder down by my right calf using the belt clip on the back of
the battery case. Well, that's fine until I pull the radio out to change frequencies.
If I'm not real careful, the battery case snaps off and my radio is
dead. Then I get to do the stick-between-my-knees shuffle, pull off one or both
gloves and hope they don't fly out, fumble around for the battery and clip,
get everything back together, power up the radio, and then pull the airplane
out of a screaming, diving left corkscrew spiral ;o) I've got to find my Bill
Rewey "handy details" and bend up one of his radio brackets to hold it up where
I can see it and get to the buttons easier.
I use Ram cell phone mounts. Not the cheapest, but I find they are versitile and
do not fail.
Put several more landings in yesterday and today using the very simple trim system.
About a dozen so far since installation. Rock solid at 55 mph from downwind
to base to final to landing. No doubt such a Rube Goldberg solution is not
to everyone's taste, but works for me. If problems arise I'll let you all know.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/09/14 |
Seems like attaching the fabric to the ribs after the initial shrink is comm
on. I was able to work the Stewart Systems down through the fabric while us
ing weights to hold it down against the ribs. No more gaps between the stit
ches.
Sent from my smartphone.
> On Nov 10, 2014, at 2:00 AM,
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib stitching question
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
>
> Jim, I was thinking the same thing. I am considering gluing the fabric to
> the ribs before tautening and rib stitching. What says the experts who
> have already been down this road? Chuck
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Jim Markle
> wrote:
>
>> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>>
>> 2 1/2" spacing pulls the fabric up against the ribs in the under camber
>> area on the bottom of the wing. 3 1/2" spacing leaves a little gap betwe
en
>> stitches. Is it worth making that area 2 1/2" spacing to avoid that gap?
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone.
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trombone bungee trim
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Well, it's simple alright! Seeing your handheld and radio stuff in the co
ckpit
> reminds me of what a pain mine is. I've got to do something different, be
cause
> it's driving me nuts. Mine is a little Icom IC-A23 and what I do is clip i
t
> to the map holder down by my right calf using the belt clip on the back of
the
> battery case. Well, that's fine until I pull the radio out to change freq
uencies.
> If I'm not real careful, the battery case snaps off and my radio is dead.
> Then I get to do the stick-between-my-knees shuffle, pull off one or both
> gloves and hope they don't fly out, fumble around for the battery and clip
,
> get everything back together, power up the radio, and then pull the airpla
ne out
> of a screaming, diving left corkscrew spiral ;o) I've got to find my Bill
> Rewey "handy details" and bend up one of his radio brackets to hold it up w
here
> I can see it and get to the buttons easier.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433229#433229
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________
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>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Saturday flight
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> The Air Camper worked its magic for me again yesterday. We've had some gr
ay and
> drizzly mornings lately, but it usually breaks up after lunch and we get a
couple
> of hours of sunshine. Gambling on that happening, I went out to the hanga
r
> after lunch and prepared for flight. As I was preflighting, the sky was c
learing
> and by the time I was ready to roll the airplane out, it was beautiful
> with calm winds and almost no traffic.
>
> I had been correcting the camber on my axles, because it had been uneven f
rom one side to the other and I had used washers to shim the axles out rathe
r than the proper tapered shims. There are a couple of pictures of the shim
ming here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/axle.html . I also replaced a t
ire and tube on one side, but everything was done and the airplane was ready
to fly. So was I!
>
> Interesting little 'chat' with the ground controller, as he said my call s
ign was
> incorrect. "November Xray Four One Charlie Charlie", I repeated. "One Ch
arlie
> Charlie, Is that what's painted on your tail?" he asks. "Four One Charlie
> Charlie, roger." That ended that little discussion, but I bet he went to f
ind
> out about that NX- tail number.
>
> Beautiful day, smooth flight, on runup the RPM drop was textbook perfect o
n carb
> heat and both mags, and off we went. I've finally started listening to yo
u
> pilots who suggest just letting it fly itself off. I'd always been taught
to
> hold forward stick to bring the tail up, hold it, then rotate when the air
speed
> was good. Nahh... there is no need. Scout needs considerable forward sti
ck
> force to pick up the tail early, so yesterday instead of forcing it, I ju
st
> tried letting it do what it wanted and that worked great. We lifted off a
nd climbed
> out like the airplane knew what it was doing.
>
> A very nice bit of sightseeing in the autumn air with autumn colors everyw
here,
> then some power on and power off stalls (non events), then back to the fie
ld.
> I must say that the landing was the best that I have made in a very, very l
ong
> time. One of those where you roll out from base to final with the runway c
enterline
> stripes just falling in perfect alignment with the center of the prop
> and then not budging. Down the glideslope with out even stirring the stic
k,
> down into ground effect, ease the stick back... back... back- and I was do
wn
> without even knowing when it happened.
>
> This is why we fly Piets.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433230#433230
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________
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>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ray Allen electric trim servo
> From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
>
>
> Jack, we are on the same page, I did mine exactly like yours...
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Now test flying!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433233#433233
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 7 ______________________________
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>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trombone bungee trim
> From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
>
>
>
> taildrags wrote:
>> Well, it's simple alright! Seeing your handheld and radio stuff in the c
ockpit
> reminds me of what a pain mine is. I've got to do something different, be
cause
> it's driving me nuts. Mine is a little Icom IC-A23 and what I do is clip
> it to the map holder down by my right calf using the belt clip on the back
of
> the battery case. Well, that's fine until I pull the radio out to change f
requencies.
> If I'm not real careful, the battery case snaps off and my radio is
> dead. Then I get to do the stick-between-my-knees shuffle, pull off one o
r both
> gloves and hope they don't fly out, fumble around for the battery and clip
,
> get everything back together, power up the radio, and then pull the airpla
ne
> out of a screaming, diving left corkscrew spiral ;o) I've got to find my B
ill
> Rewey "handy details" and bend up one of his radio brackets to hold it up w
here
> I can see it and get to the buttons easier.
>
>
> I use Ram cell phone mounts. Not the cheapest, but I find they are versiti
le and
> do not fail.
>
> Put several more landings in yesterday and today using the very simple tri
m system.
> About a dozen so far since installation. Rock solid at 55 mph from downwin
d
> to base to final to landing. No doubt such a Rube Goldberg solution is not
> to everyone's taste, but works for me. If problems arise I'll let you all k
now.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433234#433234
>
>
>
>
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