Piper-Archive.digest.vol-ab
February 16, 2006 - November 16, 2012
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| From: | PeteAbbott(at)aol.com |
Anybody out there with info on piper seneca III. I am presently an owner of
a Lance and am thinking of swapping for a Seneca III. Anybody with pros or
cons of such a move.
Pete Abbott
N9636K
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
Well, there went the neighborhood! ;-) Hey Brian, imagine finding you here.
Ron B.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Carr
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Piper-List: Just testing
hi, just testing
Brian
'81 pa28-236
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| From: | Brian Carr <microgerm(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Just testing |
Hi Ron, making any progress on the I ratings ?
On 2/16/06, Ron Bell wrote:
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> Well, there went the neighborhood! ;-) Hey Brian, imagine finding you
> here.
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> Ron B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Carr
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:36 PM
> To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Piper-List: Just testing
>
>
> hi, just testing
>
> Brian
> '81 pa28-236
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
Nope. Not even day current right now. :-(
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Carr
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Piper-List: Just testing
Hi Ron, making any progress on the I ratings ?
On 2/16/06, Ron Bell wrote:
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> Well, there went the neighborhood! ;-) Hey Brian, imagine finding you
> here.
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> Ron B.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Carr
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:36 PM
> To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Piper-List: Just testing
>
>
> hi, just testing
>
> Brian
> '81 pa28-236
>
>
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| From: | Brian Carr <microgerm(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Just testing |
Bummer! Even thought I'm logging a bunch of hours I'm still struggling to
remain instrument current.
On 2/16/06, Ron Bell wrote:
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> Nope. Not even day current right now. :-(
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Carr
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:53 PM
> To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Piper-List: Just testing
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> Hi Ron, making any progress on the I ratings ?
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> On 2/16/06, Ron Bell wrote:
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> > here.
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> > From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Carr
> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:36 PM
> > To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Piper-List: Just testing
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| From: | "gbarlowe" <gbarlowe(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Anyone out there |
Hi Kelly,
Neither do I!
Why, you are the first message I've received on the Piper list in over a
year.
Well, except for an occasional rules posting or donation request from
Matt...
Where ya from?
Gene Barlowe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jrc
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Piper-List: Anyone out there
We're here.
All the best,
JimC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym(at)aviating.com>
> I never see any messages on this list.
>
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| From: | "Brian Carr" <microgerm(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | ILS gear extension |
How were you taught to put the gear down when performing an ILS approach?
for example gear down on localizer established or glideslope interception,
or other.
I've seen people do it both ways and would like to hear of your experiences
or logic.
What are your thoughts for/against either way?
Thanks,
Brian
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| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ILS gear extension |
Well, I was TAUGHT to put the gear down and slow to approach speed (90
kts) at the IAP.
John
Brian Carr wrote:
>
>How were you taught to put the gear down when performing an ILS approach?
>for example gear down on localizer established or glideslope interception,
>or other.
>I've seen people do it both ways and would like to hear of your experiences
>or logic.
>What are your thoughts for/against either way?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian
>
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| From: | "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842(at)cox.net> |
Have always been taught to drop the gear at the final approach point where
the final decent begins for a landing. Dropping the gear helps to set up
the final decent rate for landing. Depending on the aircraft, a final power
adjustment is not needed.
Bob, Wichita
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| From: | "Brian Carr" <microgerm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ILS gear extension |
thanks for all the responses.
FYI, I agree with dropping the gear at GS intercept of FAF.
I'm not sure where/why these people are learning the other way I described.
I still don't see any advantage to doing it their way either.
Oh well, I shall continue to teach my way.
Thanks,
Brian
On 2/21/06, Brian Carr wrote:
>
> How were you taught to put the gear down when performing an ILS approach?
> for example gear down on localizer established or glideslope interception,
> or other.
> I've seen people do it both ways and would like to hear of your
> experiences or logic.
> What are your thoughts for/against either way?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
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| From: | Doug McNutt <douglist(at)macnauchtan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ILS gear extension |
>FYI, I agree with dropping the gear at GS intercept of FAF.
>I'm not sure where/why these people are learning the other way I described.
>I still don't see any advantage to doing it their way either.
>Oh well, I shall continue to teach my way.
Please don't forget that controller requests and the size of the airport do make
a difference.
If you have to slow down to drop the gear it's pretty offensive to a jet behind
you. The runway is probably long enough to support a safe delay in dropping gear
in order to honor a request to "keep your speed up". Safety first but. . .
--
--> Science is the business of discovering and codifying the rules and methods
employed by the Intelligent Designer. Religions provide myths to mollify the anxiety
experienced by those who choose not to participate. <--
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| From: | PeteAbbott(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: ILS gear extension |
Hi Guys
I have a Piper Lance, I was taught to fly the procedure at 21 inches of
manifold pressure, 2400 rpm at one notch of flaps puts you at 120 knots. When I
intercept glide slope, I drop the gear and the plane follows the glide slope
down with very minor adjust to throttle.
Pete
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
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that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
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Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | [ Vic Peters ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Vic Peters
Lists: Seaplane-List,Piper-List
Subject: Floats
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o Main Photo Share Index
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| From: | "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | PA28-140 for sale |
A sweet 1977 cherokee 140 for sale.
http://www.piper-cherokee-140-pa-28-140.com/
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics BBS Forums |
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email
Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email content
that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to
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List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a message is
posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to the
respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics
Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums; now you
can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the
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If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the
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I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics
Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics List
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like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content.
You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called Matronics List
Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL links
to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like the Archive
Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more.
There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this specific
List is shown below.
Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
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continental-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
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lightning-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
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Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
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3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
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All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could
result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please police
yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures using
the guidelines I've outlined above.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)gmail.com> |
Roll call, please?
-Jack Cunniff
'72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
Piper@ reference from another email list
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| From: | "Jeff Dingbaum" <jdingbaum(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
On 7/26/06, Jack Cunniff wrote:
>
>
> Roll call, please?
>
> -Jack Cunniff
> '72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
> Piper@ reference from another email list
Jeff Dingbaum
68 PA-28-180
NW Chicago suburbs
leaving for Oshkosh in the minivan in 15 minutes.
Jeff
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| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
have fun, Jeff. We'll keep the home fires burning.
-Jack
On 7/26/06, Jeff Dingbaum wrote:
> On 7/26/06, Jack Cunniff wrote:
>
> >
>
> Roll call, please?
>
> -Jack Cunniff
> '72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
> Piper@ reference from another email list
>
>
> Jeff Dingbaum
> 68 PA-28-180
> NW Chicago suburbs
>
> leaving for Oshkosh in the minivan in 15 minutes.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
Imagine running it to you here, Jack. I think your's is probably the second
post on this list this year.
Ron Bell
C-172 Ashland, VA
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Cunniff
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:36 AM
-->
Roll call, please?
-Jack Cunniff
'72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
Piper@ reference from another email list
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| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
Hey, Ron.
But as has been pointed out, even this type of chit-chat isn't
appropriate, re the charter for this listserv. I'll stay tuned, but I
think that it's not the right listserv for the conversations we
have...
(healthcare, politics, financial imperialism... oh, and Oshkosh are
the current topics on the "home" list... and it really doesn't belong
on the Matronics list, so we've got to take it elsewhere.)
Good to see you here, though!
-Jack
On 7/26/06, Ron Bell wrote:
>
> Imagine running it to you here, Jack. I think your's is probably the second
> post on this list this year.
>
> Ron Bell
> C-172 Ashland, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Cunniff
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:36 AM
>
>
> -->
>
> Roll call, please?
>
> -Jack Cunniff
> '72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
> Piper@ reference from another email list
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
Well, the matronics lists I've tracked all tend to be pretty focused,
although they get off track sometimes. Of course that's where the Do Not
Archive anywhere in the message comes in. To keep on topic, though, I think
I'll go flying tomorrow after work. ;-)
Ron
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Cunniff
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:11 PM
-->
Hey, Ron.
But as has been pointed out, even this type of chit-chat isn't appropriate,
re the charter for this listserv. I'll stay tuned, but I think that it's not
the right listserv for the conversations we have...
(healthcare, politics, financial imperialism... oh, and Oshkosh are the
current topics on the "home" list... and it really doesn't belong on the
Matronics list, so we've got to take it elsewhere.)
Good to see you here, though!
-Jack
On 7/26/06, Ron Bell wrote:
>
> Imagine running it to you here, Jack. I think your's is probably the
> second post on this list this year.
>
> Ron Bell
> C-172 Ashland, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Cunniff
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:36 AM
>
>
> -->
>
> Roll call, please?
>
> -Jack Cunniff
> '72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
> Piper@ reference from another email list
>
>
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| From: | PeteAbbott(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piper-List:Seneca Engine mounts |
I am replacing the 220 continental engine on my 83 Seneca 3. My question is,
as I torque the engine mount bolts, at 55 FP the bolts are tight, but as I
take them up to 60 FP's the bolts feel as if they are stretching. Is this the
compression sleeve shortening in between the two halves? Please answer if you
know for sure.
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
Gosh, some activity!
I'm flying a 1999 Saratoga with about 1300 hrs since new on the engine. It
tends to blow oil all over the belly. We're going through a quart about
every four hours. Any ideas?
Jack Stovall
acroguy(at)aol.com
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| From: | CHAD FELDPOUCH <1pouch(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
don't fill it full . leave it down a quart and it should stop .
ACROGUY(at)aol.com wrote: Gosh, some activity!
I'm flying a 1999 Saratoga with about 1300 hrs since new on the engine. It tends
to blow oil all over the belly. We're going through a quart about every
four hours. Any ideas?
Jack Stovall
acroguy(at)aol.com
CHAD FELDPOUCH
FELDPOUCH AVIATION
PHONE: (618) 267-8035
FAX: (618) 283-7285
EMAIL: 1pouch(at)sbcglobal.net
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| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
Jack, is it possible the crankcase breather tube has slipped down the
firewall and into the slipstream, and has a higher negative pressure
than is required, sucking more oily vapor from the engine than it
should?
mind you, my Arrow has an oily belly, and the installation of an m20
air/oil separator hasn't solved the problem, but that was one of the
steps I took to troubleshoot the issue.
-Jack Cunniff
N4498T, Norwood, MA
On 7/26/06, ACROGUY(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Gosh, some activity!
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> tends to blow oil all over the belly. We're going through a quart about
> every four hours. Any ideas?
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> Jack Stovall
> acroguy(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
Have you checked the breather tube? If it is clogged or not located
correctly it could possibly blow oil. Also, do you fill it all the way up,
or do you leave it down a quart or two? A couple of questions to answer
your question.
Wow, this is more activity than I've seen on this list in several years.
Ron Bell
CP-ASEL-IA, AGI
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ACROGUY(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:05 PM
Gosh, some activity!
I'm flying a 1999 Saratoga with about 1300 hrs since new on the engine. It
tends to blow oil all over the belly. We're going through a quart about
every four hours. Any ideas?
Jack Stovall
acroguy(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the input! It's a 12 quart system that we've started only
putting 10 quarts into. The problem it that it seems to be happy (not blowing
any overboard) at 6.5 quarts. 6.5 quarts makes me waaaaay too nervous as that
doesn't seem to be enough volume for adequate cooling. (Although the oil
temp gauge shows well within the green arc)
The rubber oil vent lines were extended about four inches past the cowl
opening on the bottom of the airplane so I cut them back flush......didn't work.
Again, thanks for the input.
Jack Stovall
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| From: | ECLarsen81(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
Howdy,
Ed Larsen
Luscombe 8F, S-115
Ypsi, MI
In a message dated 7/26/2006 7:38:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jack.cunniff(at)gmail.com writes:
Roll call, please?
-Jack Cunniff
'72 Arrow, Norwood, MA
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
Well, I'm the instigator that suggested some folks at a semi-failing
list move over here. I own a Mooney, have worked on a Cherokee or two,
and a few months ago conned the FAA into giving me an IA certif.
Ron Bell wrote:
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> although they get off track sometimes. Of course that's where the Do Not
> Archive anywhere in the message comes in. To keep on topic, though, I think
> I'll go flying tomorrow after work. ;-)
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> re the charter for this listserv. I'll stay tuned, but I think that it's not
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> current topics on the "home" list... and it really doesn't belong on the
> Matronics list, so we've got to take it elsewhere.)
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> Good to see you here, though!
>
> -Jack
>
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>> C-172 Ashland, VA
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
Conned the FAA? Boy is that an understatement. You can't "CON" the FAA,
they only accept CASH!!
Ron
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:47 AM
Well, I'm the instigator that suggested some folks at a semi-failing
list move over here. I own a Mooney, have worked on a Cherokee or two,
and a few months ago conned the FAA into giving me an IA certif.
Ron Bell wrote:
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> although they get off track sometimes. Of course that's where the Do
> Not Archive anywhere in the message comes in. To keep on topic,
> though, I think I'll go flying tomorrow after work. ;-)
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> the current topics on the "home" list... and it really doesn't belong
> on the Matronics list, so we've got to take it elsewhere.)
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>> C-172 Ashland, VA
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| From: | "jrc" <jrccea(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
On small Continental engines, the Cub Club recommends silver soldering a
tube extension into the oil breather elbow so that extends to the
midline of the engine (2.75 inches for the Continental). It works. I
don't know what the dimension would need to be for the Lycoming, nor do
I know if there would be any interference or obstruction in the
Lycoming. Nor do I know how much trouble it might be to 337 it for the
Lycoming. On a C-85-12F, it cut the oil leakage by about 75%.
----- Original Message -----
From: ACROGUY(at)aol.com
To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Piper-List: Hello world...
Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the input! It's a 12 quart system that we've started
only putting 10 quarts into. The problem it that it seems to be happy
(not blowing any overboard) at 6.5 quarts. 6.5 quarts makes me waaaaay
too nervous as that doesn't seem to be enough volume for adequate
cooling. (Although the oil temp gauge shows well within the green arc)
The rubber oil vent lines were extended about four inches past the
cowl opening on the bottom of the airplane so I cut them back
flush......didn't work.
Again, thanks for the input.
Jack Stovall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
On 7/26/06, ACROGUY(at)aol.com wrote:
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> putting 10 quarts into. The problem it that it seems to be happy (not
> blowing any overboard) at 6.5 quarts. 6.5 quarts makes me waaaaay too
> nervous as that doesn't seem to be enough volume for adequate cooling.
> (Although the oil temp gauge shows well within the green arc)
>
> The rubber oil vent lines were extended about four inches past the cowl
> opening on the bottom of the airplane so I cut them back flush......didn't
> work.
>
> Again, thanks for the input.
>
> Jack Stovall
Jack, Mike Busch has an article on AvWeb on this topic... here's a small
extract:
Blow-by is when combustion gasses pass from the combustion chamber into the
crankcase, pressurizing the crank case. Oil residue is blown out the
breather onto the belly. Blow-by generally is caused by worn or clogged
rings, so it is a sign of more critical issues. Additionally, if the
crankshaft front seal is worn the airstream can leak past the seal. This
also can pressurize the crank case.
The proper solution is first to assure that your rings are in decent
condition with a compression test as well as a borescope exam. (Clogged
rings can sometimes make for a decent compression test, so if you are using
a quart of oil an hour and it is not primarily a leak, then your rings are
shot regardless of a compression test. Don't fool yourself.)
The next step is to be sure that oil breather lines are clear and routed
properly, since many times these breather lines are never cleaned in decades
and are often misrouted in the course of other maintenance. Proper routing
is critical to proper operation of the breather.
Given that the rings are OK, the breather lines are routed properly and the
front seal is intact, using an air/oil separator is a controversial
solution. If your engine is in good condition there should be no reason to
need one.
Be that as it may, the air/oil separator has a measure of popularity because
it is an "easy" if not always successful fix to the symptom rather than a
fix to the problem. Some users swear by them; others swear at them. It
usually depends on the degree of blow-by you are attempting to control. It
is also very installation-sensitive. If you decide to go this route,
Aircraft Spruce can provide a selection of products here as well.
This was extracted from http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/192337-1.html
-Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
In a message dated 7/27/2006 8:11:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM writes:
The proper solution is first to assure that your rings are in decent
condition with a compression test as well as a borescope exam. (Clogged rings
can
sometimes make for a decent compression test, so if you are using a quart of
oil an hour and it is not primarily a leak, then your rings are shot
regardless of a compression test. Don't fool yourself.)
Jack,
The oil loss rate is about 1 quart every 4-5 hours. If it were 1 quart
every hour, it would be top overhaul time for sure.
Jack
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| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
On 7/27/06, ACROGUY(at)aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 7/27/2006 8:11:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM writes:
>
> The proper solution is first to assure that your rings are in decent
> condition with a compression test as well as a borescope exam. (Clogged
> rings can sometimes make for a decent compression test, so *if you are
> using a quart of oil an hour* and it is not primarily a leak, then your
> rings are shot regardless of a compression test. Don't fool yourself.)
>
> Jack,
>
> The oil loss rate is about 1 quart every 4-5 hours. If it were 1 quart
> every hour, it would be top overhaul time for sure.
>
> Jack
>
Hmmm. Well, with the hours you've got on the engine (1300 since new, and no
mention of a top or other major work done), maybe this IS a signal that
you've got more than a breather tube problem... but at the same time, it's
not more than an inconvenience to wipe and buy more oil right now... but
maybe a borescope exam wouldn't be a bad idea, if you want to spend a little
more money on diagnostics. Warm fuzzies are priceless, even if you've got to
spend to get 'em.
I'd say you should be looking at the breather tube first/again/more.
All these are wild guesses - I've got no experience with the 540; my IO360
is an entirely different animal.
Best of luck,
-Jack
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| From: | "jrc" <jrccea(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello world... |
I believe this rate is within Lycomings allowable rate of usage.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Cunniff
To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Piper-List: Hello world...
On 7/27/06, ACROGUY(at)aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/27/2006 8:11:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM writes:
The proper solution is first to assure that your rings are in
decent condition with a compression test as well as a borescope exam.
(Clogged rings can sometimes make for a decent compression test, so if
you are using a quart of oil an hour and it is not primarily a leak,
then your rings are shot regardless of a compression test. Don't fool
yourself.)
Jack,
The oil loss rate is about 1 quart every 4-5 hours. If it were 1
quart every hour, it would be top overhaul time for sure.
Jack
Hmmm. Well, with the hours you've got on the engine (1300 since new,
and no mention of a top or other major work done), maybe this IS a
signal that you've got more than a breather tube problem... but at the
same time, it's not more than an inconvenience to wipe and buy more oil
right now... but maybe a borescope exam wouldn't be a bad idea, if you
want to spend a little more money on diagnostics. Warm fuzzies are
priceless, even if you've got to spend to get 'em.
I'd say you should be looking at the breather tube first/again/more.
All these are wild guesses - I've got no experience with the 540; my
IO360 is an entirely different animal.
Best of luck,
-Jack
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| From: | "Bill Metz" <wwmetz(at)earthlink.net> |
Any one out there have knowledge of how the trim cable should be in the
PA-16. Mine is slipping and I have been told that it should wrap the
small pulley in the cockpit 1 and one half times. The cable is not
long enough for this. It slips at the handle
Bill Metz
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| From: | Ed Hash <aired(at)frontiernet.net> |
I have a Clipper but I don't know the answer for you. Have you tried
the Short Wing Piper Club (SWPC)? www.shortwing.org
They have a mailing list and a forum. The mailing list gets more
traffic and you should be able to get an answer there same day.
Ed
On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Bill Metz wrote:
> Any one out there have knowledge of how the trim cable should be in
> the PA-16. Mine is slipping and I have been told that it should
> wrap the small pulley in the cockpit 1 and one half times. The
> cable is not long enough for this. It slips at the handle
> Bill Metz
>
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| From: | GDISKELLY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Cherokee Glare Shield on Ebay |
Thanks Ron.
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| From: | "jrc" <jrccea(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Cherokee Glare Shield on Ebay |
I have installed an Ashby glareshield in my aircraft. It works OK.
At the Cherokee Fly-in at Osage Beach this year, I saw a glareshield
produced by Aircraft Door Seals, Inc. that was very well done, reasonably
affordable, and incorporated an integral soft, safety eyebrow.
www.aircraftdoorseals.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:11 AM
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> Doubtful that I have ever seen a web page with less useful information.
> ???
> --
> Steven Nichols
> N501AC
> GAI
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| From: | "Nichols Steven" <snpipermail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Cherokee Glare Shield on Ebay |
I'll try another browser for some reason, I had NO continue button.
Makes it hard to use. ;-)
--
Steven Nichols
N501AC
GAI
On 7/30/06, Ron Bell wrote:
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> Ok. Try http://www.aircraftglareshield.com/ then click on the "Continue"
> button, then follow the link to the glareshield information.
>
> Ron B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nichols Steven
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:12 AM
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
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List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
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Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
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Matronics Email List Admin
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| From: | ECLarsen81(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Matt,
We AOL, Yahoo, and Netscape users have had some small issues from time to
time, the easist way to keep mail from being blocked is to insure that the
mailing list address is in the address book.
Might want to include as a reminder.
Thanks,
Ed
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
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| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
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| From: | "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Piper-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/06/06 |
Matt, there must be a glitch in your script... LOL
If I'm right I have no need to be angry;
If I'm wrong I have no right to be...
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
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0. 12:12 AM - Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] (Matt
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Piper-List: Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the
Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a
Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the
rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that
makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but
also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily
Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests,
List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to
include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to
determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics
Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along
with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support
your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Pedro Rodriguez-Flores" <pedrorod(at)prtc.net> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Last year I mace the contribution but the gift item selected never arrived.
Pedro
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:12 AM
Subject: Piper-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
Yet! :-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal
email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature.
I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of years now, but
it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing
code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to
bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few
days later, bam! A working system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of
your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that
enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a
List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet
connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer
gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers
such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I
can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent
on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my
Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics
Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | WLAS [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution! |
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
Tackling my project without the List would be like
building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
these lists! -Ralph C
..valuable service. -John F
..a well administered service. -Stewart C
Great forum! -Ronald C
A great service! -Andy H
Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
work and as necessary to me as a rivet. -Albert G
The lists are a great help. -Gary S
This resource has been critical to my building success
so far. -Timothy F
Great system and support! -Richard P
Very helpful in the building my CH 701. -Ralph S
Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B
A great resource for all of us. -Larry W
Another year of great service! Once again, the
information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
flyer's success... -Robert B
Our list has great info and I love reading the
"Flame Posts! " -Stephen M
Great service! -James B
Excellent source of information. -David P
You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
community. -David H
The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the
construction of my RV-7... -Norman R
Awesome list!! -John E
Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable! -Herbert G
Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
with my fellow RV-10 builders. -David J
I love the list and have been a reader for a long
time. -James V
Continues to be a great service! -George A
Awesome List server. -Deke M
Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
[the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C
An excellent source of both information and
inspiration! -William R
Forums and format are easy to use. -Jack B
Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H
Super service. -Richard N
Still loving it. -Jared S
You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R
..a great service. -James M
Glad you are there... -David A
I get some great information on your list. -John P
Fantastic service. Couldn't have made it as far
as I have without it. -Stephen T
A great learning experience with my RV-6A. -Ron B
Great resources! -Jason H
Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D
Great resource for the experimental aircraft
community. -Chris H
This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
have any help readily available. Without the List,
I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H
You run a great list there. -James H
Really like the Kolb List. -Don W
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux
server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to
the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a
remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard
drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded
to over 6 Terra Bytes! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade
uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much
electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month this Summer,
I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. This year I added another rack to house
the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...)
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is
on it! :-)
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site for
just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your
great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email this
weekend.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | It would have been a spectacular finish, but Stallings final |
knee caught Govola flush on the chin, no doubt contributing to the knockout.
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| From: | "Jeff Dingbaum" <jdingbaum(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Got my plane back from Poplar Grove on Saturday. I now have four
new cylinders to replace my 40 hour cylinders. I have to say that the
whole process was pretty painless. I registered my serial numbers
with Superior and they contacted me by phone. They shipped them
out to the engine shop that Thursday. I flew the plane out on Saturday
and told them to do it when they could. They called on Tuesday to
confirm a few things and get started. I could have flew it out on
Thursday, but I didn't want to test fly it at dusk.
Superior picked up the cost, including the necessary mineral oil
and new oil filter. My only expense will be flying around at full
rich mixture for a while. Now I have an excuse to stay in the air longer
than the $100 hamburger run.
Jeff
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| From: | "Moravia Inc." <moravia(at)tbaytel.net> |
| Subject: | Piper Parts For Sale |
Piper Parts For Sale:
Piper Cub Hub Caps
Piper Cub Cowls
Qty
Part #
Description
1
14205
Valve - air regulator
2
21421
Fitting - fuselage - wing attachment - left rear
1
21431
Fitting - fuselage - wing attachment - front
1
10373-00
Both, R, L, Off Placard
3
12252-03
Angle - wing tip brace
2
17672-00
Fuel Caps
10
40070-00
fairlead (nylon) control cable (long)
12
40071-00
fairlead (nylon) control cable (short)
11
40081-00
clip - control cable fairlead
1
453-126
Bow - Wing tip
1
471-063
Control knob
9
487-661
stud - cowl
1
487-670
stud - cowl
2
487-671
stud - cowl
1
752 235
Strut mod kit
22
80022-44
Bushing - tail surface control hinge (long)
9
80022-45
Bushing - tail surface control hinge (short)
Plus
Piper Vegabond airframe (including instrument panel) with Lycoming
O-145B2 engine
and
Piper Colt airframe (salvage)
If you are interested, please email: moravia(at)tbaytel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com> |
Any Seneca experts out there???????
I do not see many Seneca IVs for sale. What kind of price range should they be
in. Anything especially bad about the IVs vs 3s or 5s?
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117657#117657
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| From: | "Jesse Kluijfhout, PE1RUI" <jessevli(at)zeelandnet.nl> |
Don't know too much about Seneca, but a good source for prices is the blue
book. http://www.aircraftbluebook.com
Best regards,
Jesse
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:54 AM
Subject: Piper-List: Seneca IV
>
> Any Seneca experts out there???????
>
>
> I do not see many Seneca IVs for sale. What kind of price range should
> they be in. Anything especially bad about the IVs vs 3s or 5s?
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117657#117657
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zbigdabek(at)onet.eu |
No spam.No informations
No spam.No informations
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Piper-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/01/07 |
Bernie...one sign's their self on/off...we do not have a person to
administrate the mail...
P
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Piper-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/01/07 |
Hmm, I didn't see this on my Gmail.
I do occasionally administrate when I have time. If someone is having
trouble, Frank also has access and one of us may be able to help.
GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com wrote:
> Bernie...one sign's their self on/off...we do not have a person to
> administrate the mail...
>
> P
>
>
> AOL.com.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Fly in a reality show! |
I'm providing this information for interested individuals of whom would be
interested in flying their plane in a reality show.
In summary, fly for 14 days, compete in competitions at each layover and
enjoy flying around the United States on someone else's $.
Fly your airplane beginning October 14th for a chance to win a new plane,
cash and or prizes.
The Great Air Race is looking for a few pilots with instrument and
commercial ratings to fly in a reality show. Your fuel, food and lodging is paid
for.
A million dollars in prizes (Grand prize is a new plane) is to be given away.
Contact _www.thegreatairrace.com_ (http://www.thegreatairrace.com/) to
register now! or call 1-334-855-4548
Marwin Goff
DSM
Varieze N30CG
Cont O-200
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug McNutt <douglist(at)macnauchtan.com> |
| Subject: | Engine control cables for an Apache |
My left engine controls will no longer respond to the WD-40 or mystery oil treatment
and it's getting cold here in Colorado. The cables need to be replaced and
I'm ready to do the deed.
But where can I get replacements?
>From the parts book:
page 203, figure 68
part 30 cable assembly left prop pitch 17905-04
part 31 cable assembly mixture control 17906-00
part 20 carburetor heat control 17907-00
part 23 throttle control 17905-02
mcfarlaneaviation.com reports that they can make them for me but they will require
a one-time approval that way.
Does anyone know where I might find some original equipment?
Doug McNutt N2202P
--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
Dear Listers,
You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam
from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example:
The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com
The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com
The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search
This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about
the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!
But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and
a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet
connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising
to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and
every time you read an email message or browse the their web site.
Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment,
I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be
possible!
During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few
days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout
these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-)
To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented
a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If
you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online
web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser!
There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies
to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the
messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however,
once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund
Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch
will take effect once the check is received.
There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When
you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts
that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through
the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including:
Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to
offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser.
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution
site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year
in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll
all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available!
Please make a List Support Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions
truely keep this operation afloat!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've
got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something
for everyone!
Please make a Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Construction/Restoration |
Hello all,
I would like to offer my aircraft construction/restoration services to the
group. I have a 40' X 60' hangar in NE Georgia and have a lifetime of
experience with various aircraft. I can construct large projects for $15.00
per hour with first-class workmanship. Please email me directly or give me
a call.
Russ Lassetter
202 Aviation Blvd.
Cleveland, GA 30528
706-348-7514
rblassett(at)alltel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec |
1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same.
The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! |
Dear Listers,
I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These
include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List
Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
to you:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.
Rans-List:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List
RV12-List
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the
following categories:
Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ
Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601
Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640
Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801
All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives,
Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:
Citabria:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list
Zenith601:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list
Zenith640:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list
Zenith701801:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list
To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
To check the new Lists out on the Matronics Forum go here:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Lorz" <n3722a(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
Does anyone have a converter laying about they would like to sell - I bought
a radio and it's 24 volt, and my plane is 12v.
Clearly I need to convert upwards.
Thank you
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jose lugo <lugo2214(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
sorry=2C no-joy
I've monitor this server for months and never saw any trafic.............
I felt like posting
Hello!!!!!!!
is there anyone out there...................
Date: Fri=2C 8 Aug 2008 18:57:45 -0700From: n3722a(at)gmail.comTo: piper-list@
matronics.comSubject: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...
Does anyone have a converter laying about they would like to sell - I bough
t a radio and it's 24 volt=2C and my plane is 12v.Clearly I need to convert
upwards.Thank you
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| From: | "Francisco Espuny" <espuny(at)terra.com.br> |
| Subject: | Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
Hi. I'm doing the same for two months and yours is the first email i receive
from this list.
Unfortunately I don't have any information on how to solve your problem if
your plane is a certified one. In thar case, you should have bought a
certified 12V radio, is it right ?
Try www.powerstream.com . That's a good automotive solution but I think
you'll only be able to use it on experimental planes.
Best flights!
Espuny
De: owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-piper-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de jose lugo
Enviada em: domingo, 10 de agosto de 2008 11:34
Para: piper-list(at)matronics.com
Assunto: RE: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...
sorry, no-joy
I've monitor this server for months and never saw any trafic.............
I felt like posting
Hello!!!!!!!
is there anyone out there...................
_____
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:57:45 -0700
From: n3722a(at)gmail.com
Subject: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...
Does anyone have a converter laying about they would like to sell - I bought
a radio and it's 24 volt, and my plane is 12v.
Clearly I need to convert upwards.
Thank you
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piper-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
You could come over to the Piper list I host.
Piper mailing list
Piper(at)aviating.com
http://aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/piper to subscribe and to manage your subscription, read archives or read in forum format
jose lugo wrote:
> sorry, no-joy
>
> I've monitor this server for months and never saw any trafic.............
> I felt like posting
>
> Hello!!!!!!!
> is there anyone out there...................
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:57:45 -0700
> From: n3722a(at)gmail.com
> To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...
>
>
> Does anyone have a converter laying about they would like to sell - I
> bought a radio and it's 24 volt, and my plane is 12v.
> Clearly I need to convert upwards.
> Thank you
> *
>
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piper-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3
Repeat your post on the aeroelectric list above. There are many there more expert
than I but what you want to do is not simple. You are probably better off putting
the radio on e bay and buying a 14 V radio.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197858#197858
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug McNutt <douglist(at)macnauchtan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
Are you sure the radio can't be converted to 12 volt? Model and manufacturer?
For older stuff it was pretty common to regulate down to 12 volts and the only
real difference was the way pilot lights were wired.
--
--> A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't <--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
douglist(at)macnauchtan.c wrote:
> Are you sure the radio can't be converted to 12 volt? Model and manufacturer?
>
> For older stuff it was pretty common to regulate down to 12 volts and the only
real difference was the way pilot lights were wired.
>
> --
>
> --> A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197922#197922
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Cunniff" <jack.cunniff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
Yes, that's a more active list.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> You could come over to the Piper list I host.
>
> Piper mailing list
> Piper(at)aviating.com
> http://aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/piper to subscribe and to manage
> your subscription, read archives or read in forum format
>
>
> jose lugo wrote:
>
>> sorry, no-joy
>> I've monitor this server for months and never saw any trafic.............
>> I felt like posting
>> Hello!!!!!!!
>> is there anyone out there...................
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:57:45 -0700
>> From: n3722a(at)gmail.com
>> To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a converter laying about they would like to sell - I
>> bought a radio and it's 24 volt, and my plane is 12v.
>> Clearly I need to convert upwards.
>> Thank you
>> *
>>
>> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piper-List
>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> *
>>
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>> Get more from your digital life. Find out how. <
>> http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
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| From: | jose lugo <lugo2214(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
OK will try
does anyone has information on the short wing piper club?
besides their web-site
Date: Mon=2C 11 Aug 2008 13:44:43 -0400From: jack.cunniff(at)gmail.comTo: pipe
r-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...
Yes=2C that's a more active list.
On Sun=2C Aug 10=2C 2008 at 6:44 PM=2C Kelly McMullen
wrote:
ould come over to the Piper list I host.Piper mailing listPiper(at)aviating.co
mhttp://aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/piper to subscribe and to manage you
r subscription=2C read archives or read in forum formatjose lugo wrote:
sorry=2C no-joy I've monitor this server for months and never saw any trafi
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------------Date: Fri=2C 8 Aug 2008 18:57:45 -0700From: n3722a(at)gmail.comTo:
piper-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Piper-List: Convert 12 to 24 volt ...Does
anyone have a converter laying about they would like to sell - I bought a
radio and it's 24 volt=2C and my plane is 12v.Clearly I need to convert upw
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| From: | "Terry Lorz" <n3722a(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
It's a Narco MK-12D
I didn't know that was possible, short of a converter of some sort ...
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:26 AM, N395V wrote:
>
>
> douglist(at)macnauchtan.c wrote:
> > Are you sure the radio can't be converted to 12 volt? Model and
> manufacturer?
> >
> > For older stuff it was pretty common to regulate down to 12 volts and the
> only real difference was the way pilot lights were wired.
> >
> > --
> >
> > --> A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197922#197922
>
>
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| From: | "Terry Lorz" <n3722a(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
That's an idea of course, but I can buy the converter new for $185.00 and I
doubt I will get what the radio is worth, it's a MK-12D, on ebay ...
the reason I posted is because these converters are around, it's easy to
find the 28's to 12's - more difficult to find the 12's to 28's
thanks for the idea though ...
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:32 AM, N395V wrote:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3
>
>
> Repeat your post on the aeroelectric list above. There are many there more
> expert than I but what you want to do is not simple. You are probably better
> off putting the radio on e bay and buying a 14 V radio.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197858#197858
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Convert 12 to 24 volt ... |
You can contact Narco and see what they would charge to convert it
internally. They made both 14 and 28V versions. Prior to the UPSAT SL30,
it was the best navcom on the market.
PHONE: 800-234-7551, 215-643-2905
Terry Lorz wrote:
> That's an idea of course, but I can buy the converter new for $185.00
> and I doubt I will get what the radio is worth, it's a MK-12D, on ebay ...
>
> the reason I posted is because these converters are around, it's easy
> to find the 28's to 12's - more difficult to find the 12's to 28's
>
> thanks for the idea though ...
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:32 AM, N395V > wrote:
>
> >
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3
>
>
> Repeat your post on the aeroelectric list above. There are many
> there more expert than I but what you want to do is not simple.
> You are probably better off putting the radio on e bay and buying
> a 14 V radio.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197858#197858
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through soley through the
Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution counts.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contribution Site URL Clarification |
Dear Listers,
In my List Fund Raiser kickoff email last night, I mistyped the URL for the *initial*
Contribution web site and couple of people reported receiving SSL certificate
errors. The actual payment entry pages where were correct, however, so
there were no certificate issues that impacted payment data. I'm sorry for the
confusion.
Please use the following URL to start your List Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
| From: | "BrightLine" <info(at)brightlinebags.com> |
Hello Everyone,
My name is Bryan Smith and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags. I do not want to offend anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the demo video http://brightlinebags.ipower.com/videopage.html, you will be impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. If you have any questions, you can contact me directly at bryan@brightlinebags.com. We will also be at AOPA Expo booth 1741. Come by and say hi. Thanks again!
Bryan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212125#212125
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/brightline_pilot_flight_bag_717.jpg
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| From: | "jrc" <jrccea(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
Most of us don't like being spammed. There are probably better ways to make
us aware of your product without irritating us. I won't be buying one now.
JimC
----- Original Message -----
From: "BrightLine" <info(at)brightlinebags.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: Piper-List: BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a
Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly
cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its
just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and
software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for
the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill
to
keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of
the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to
control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms
of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per
day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists
and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser.
Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep
these Lists up and running?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing
List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades
enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for 19+ years worth of online archive
data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the
many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
Wiki and PhotoShare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many
places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its
one of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Members Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
November is the Annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are supported solely
through your generous Contributions during this time. Please make your Contribution
today and pick up a really nice free gift at this same time:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Listers have been including some really nice comments regarding what the Lists
mean to them along with their Contributions this year. I've included a few of
them below. Please read them over and see if some perhaps echo your feelings
as well.
Thank you for your support this year!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Best bargain in the entire industry!!
-Owen B
Every year your lists are better, sure #1 in e-mail list in the world.
-Gary G
Thank you for an awesome site!
-Ashley M
Your lists are important to me and well worth paying for.
-Calvin A
Thank you for providing such and informative and ad free environment
to learn by.
-Myron H
As always, a valuable and extremely useful resource.
Stephen T
As always, a great service.
-Reade G
Very much appreciate this site and the communications it has
enabled between builders.
-Larry M
This service is worth every penny.
-Robert S
Great site! Thanks a ton for its functionality!
-Peter B
The RV-10 list feels like my community.
-Dave S
The lists are fantastic, a great source!
-Jimmy Y
I've learned a lot from the List.
-Gabriel F
A wonderful resource.
-Gerald G
Well done.
-Richard N
Years of good service.
-William M
Valuable service.
-Keith H
The site is quite helpful.
-Jon M
Very interesting List that I read form the beginning.
-Alain L
A well managed site.
-Carl B
Great service.
-Svein Kare J
Still the most useful program on the computer.
-Fergus K
Great contribution to my project!
-Robert K
Thanks for keeping a great list.
-Dt G
The List continues to provide excellent information.
-Tony C
This is a wonderful resource that has easily saved me a bunch on
my build-time.
-Ralph C
Thank you for providing a great service. The Zenith builder's community
would be in sad shape without the Zenith-List's.
-Terrence P
I really do get pleasure out of reading the List every day.
-Bill V
Great source of information.
-Arthur V
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-Louis B
You know we all could not do without your support!!
-James S
Great resource!
-Douglas D
Thanks for the great service.
-John B
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is
currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that everyone
is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-)
Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to
support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to
have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and
I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out. Isn't the
List worth at least that much to you?
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are
some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's
plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps
the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling!
If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take
a minute right now to make your personal Contribution?
Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today! |
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser.
Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and
make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!
Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by sending your personal check to:
Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
(Please write your email address on the check!)
Thank you in advance for your support of these List services!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Have Been Saying |
Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been
using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists. Thank
you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and see
if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the
Lists to you...
There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're
still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last minute
to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and pick
up a great gift at the same time!
By Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or By Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you in advance!!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their
personal Contributions this year...
Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has
saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by
helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with
low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to
the typical head scratchers that you run into.
Kevin H
Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet!
George A
Please accept this token not as an indicator of what
this list has been worth to me this past year.
Lew G
Great information and entertainment.
Tim V
Thanks again for another great year of service. This
project would be beyond me if it were not for the list.
Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their
weight in GOLD!
Robert B
Great support you provide to all the subscribers!
Freddie H
Read it every day.
PF B
Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics
Lists! Your services are head and shoulders above the
rest.
James M
Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community".
Bill T
Thanks, Matt, for a great service! I've been monitoring
and using the lists since 1999.
Richard D
Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and
effort you put into it.
John R
A great service year after year.
John D
..another year of fantastic service.
Jerry B
This list is a great resource.
Arden A
Great list.
James M
Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS.
John S
Great resources for both the beginner and experienced.
George R
Good service.
Gary G
The List is an invaluable resource!
William C
AeroElectric list is a great source of info and learning!
Janice J
Thank you, Matt for being there for us making it all happen
on the List for so many years - Great JOB!
Sam S
Thank you for providing a great venue. You definitely hit
the nail on the head with your solicitation asking if
readers look forward to receiving the email digests. I
certainly do and when I move from a dreamer to a builder, I
expect the anticipation will only increase.
Joe S
Thanks for a Perfect working list.
Hans-Peter R
Great List
Bryan K
Such a great selection of valuable forums!
David G
Nice job!
Walt E
Good resource...
Robert P
Thank you for another great year!
Scott S
I could not do this without you...
Robert D
I believe I've been a list member for over a decade
now. Thanks for the service!
Tim L
Great List
Hendrik W
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means three things:..
1) Today I am now officially 45 years old...
2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year!
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to keep the List bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your name is
on it!
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors 2008 |
Dear Listers,
This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that
so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email
List and Forum operation. Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart and I
truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial reimbursement.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser, please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available
on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution
today and still get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/08! Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you
enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December. In most cases,
gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842(at)cox.net> |
http://www.shortwing.org/TestSite/index.php
Darrell
Try the Short Wing Piper Club list, above. Should be able to find a check
list.
If you don't, let me know. I have a PA22-135 and there is not all that much
difference in general operation. I could send a copy on email.
Bob, Wichita
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| From: | "Dareha" <darrellhaas(at)gmail.com> |
Anyone know of an A&P with experience with Tri=Pacers to do a prepurchase inspection
in Oregon?
Thank you, Darrell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236740#236740
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| From: | JNice51355(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: upholstery and Interior material |
Darrel
Try _www.airtexinteriors.com_ (http://www.airtexinteriors.com) for
starters. I re-did my Cherokee through them. They can supply materials
that
meet requirements. It may take a bit of research, because you may not wi
sh to
use much of the old material. I used polyboard for sidewalls, which is
like corrugated plastic sheets. They are easy to cut and work with. Als
o,
you may wish to come up with your own scheme for ribbing widths. You wil
l
need the vinyl, polyfoam, and backing.
Then, you can have the stitching sewn in, and glue the liners onto the
polyboard.
Good Luck
Jim
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ting at
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| Subject: | Re: upholstery and Interior material |
| From: | Darrell Haas <darrellhaas(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Good advice. Thank you, Darrell
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote:
> Darrel
> Try www.airtexinteriors.com for starters. I re-did my Cherokee through
> them. They can supply materials that meet requirements. It may take a bit
> of research, because you may not wish to use much of the old material. I
> used polyboard for sidewalls, which is like corrugated plastic sheets. They
> are easy to cut and work with. Also, you may wish to come up with your own
> scheme for ribbing widths. You will need the vinyl, polyfoam, and backing.
> Then, you can have the stitching sewn in, and glue the liners onto the
> polyboard.
> Good Luck
>
> Jim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Motorcycle Loading System |
| From: | "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com> |
Our company provides pilots with ground transportation solutions and we have received
a few requests to develop a system for the Cherokee 6. If you have a moment,
Id greatly appreciate your feedback to help us judge market interest and
tailor the design to best meet your needs.
We are designing a system of ramps, dollies and tracks to load/unload a motorcycle
(250-400cc) through the double doors. After folding the handlebars, the motorcycle
would be pushed up a ramp and automatically guided into a securing fixture,
with no need to tie it down. Getting the motorcycle in/out of the airplane
will take under a minute with no assistance, heavy lifting or tools. All of
the equipment will mount to the seat attachments and may be removed in a few
minutes to make room for more passengers.
We want to provide our customers with immediate and hassle-free ground transportation
wherever they land. We want them to explore their destinations, visit new
places and have fun getting there.
What type of pilots might be interested in something like this? How often would
they use it? What would be a reasonable price? What are your concerns? What features
would you like to see? Your input is very important to us. -David Shelton
www.MotorcyclePilot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262105#262105
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle Loading System |
| From: | "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com> |
Here is a video of the system that we developed for the Vans RV-10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dpoSsKZ8T4
-David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262314#262314
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages such as the Matronics List Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), the List Wiki ( http://wiki.matronics.com), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), the List Browser ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month!
Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund
Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for
the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List. This
is worth every penny!
Stephen T.
I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue
to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers.
C.L.
Thanks for this List. It's been a great source of encouragement
and information.
Arden A.
Great service!
Gerald T.
It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some
good help from the issues and answers there.
Steve T.
Been a member of the List for 12 years. Keep up the good work.
John H.
Great Site!
Harry M.
Great source of information...
Martin H.
Thanks for providing this great service!
Jeff P.
I continue to get and give information through these lists.
Ralph C.
This is a wonderful resource!
Warren H.
This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and
experience. Michael W.
Thanks for making such a good list!
Fred D.
Thanks for running a great service!
Michael F.
I really appreciate it.
Dan H.
Thanks for the great service.
Michael L.
Thanks for maintaining this great resource.
John C.
Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction
to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators.
Jon M.
Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums
and for the personal help that you have been to me in
answering my questions regarding the use of the forums.
William B.
[The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and
make my systems better. Ralph C.
The Universe is a better place because of you.
Eric J.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 21%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by 21%. I have a fund raiser each year simply to cover
my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income
to support the Lists and rely solely on the contributions of members to keep the
expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time as well. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs
and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments,
make a modest contribution each year to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one
of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response
has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been waiting until
the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great
gift, now might be good time to show your support!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
Even though the number of List subscriptions and List posts are up significantly
this year compared to last year, support during this year's List Fund Raiser
has been woefully lagging from last year. There are only a couple more days
left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid on the List service expenses,
I will have to look into some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen!
Your personal contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation
a float. The lunch combo at Carl's Jr costs nearly $10 these days. Isn't
the List worth at least as much as a couple of burgers?
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin. If you
like the ad-free environment that is the Matronics Email List and Forum experience,
please make a quick Contribution to keep it that way!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I've been getting a ton of really nice comments from Contributors regarding the
Lists. Please read over some of them below and see if they don't resonate with
you as well.
Thank you in advance for your generous contribution to support these Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
--------------------------- Member Feedback ----------------------------
ur web site is a real institution of the whole Experimental
Aircraft subculture.
John G
Thanks Matt for the lists. A lot of good info. Great bunch
of list members. Great videos and no SPAM.
Paul C
It has been a valuable tool.
Troy M
..appreciate the site as much as ever.
Larry M
By using various forums I've learned a ton, received great
advice, made friends, and saved money!
Craig W
Since I've finished [my project], I've not had much to do as
far as fabrication of electrical systems. However,
selectively reading various topics is still very valuable
and Bob's insights and new how to's make me a continuous
subscriber.
Larry F
Matronics user groups are the best tool I have for learning
to build my RV-10!
Philip W
There is always useful knowledge to be found on this list,
and I suspect that it has kept quite a few people out of
trouble over the years it has been in operation. Good
entertainment, too.
Graham H
Great web site. I wish I'd known about it while building.
Bob S
I'm happy to provide some support to this list. It is very
helpful.
Vaughn T
Good service to sport aviation!!
Roger B
Awesome Service you provide for us!
Bill R
My [project] is almost finished! However, it wouldn't be
close without the [this] group.
Douwe B
Great list.
Robert S
I'm not a builder yet but learning lots from the list.
Peter M
Some nonsense, some humor, but mostly good information.
Tony C
Thanks for creating and keeping the Lists. They are
entertaining and always informative!
John M
Thanks for this valuable resource to our community.
Barry H
The list is IMHO the greatest resource on the net.
John B
Thanks again for providing another year of your useful
List service.
Jerry B
Great site indeed, every time I get a message I usually
learn something.
Peter B
You are making a huge contribution to the builder fraternity
and in no small way enhancing sport aviation safety.
Richard G
The List is the SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT resource I have in
building my RV10. I would be lost without out it. And I
have made a bunch of new friends as well!
Les K
The lists are one of the things I really enjoy, so keep
up the good work.
Freddie H
Every year -- the best value for my time and money!
Owen B
This list is a major contribution to safe building!
Donald K
Really enjoy the daily boost it gives me.
Walter S
In the last 18 months I have been privileged to listen &
ask. I have learnt at the feet of the masters...
Stewart G
You set the standard on how Internet forums should be run
and managed.
Larry W
The Universe is a better place because of you.
Eric J
[The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and
make my systems better. I continue to get and give
information through these lists.
Ralph C
..another GREAT year of advice, answers, and inspiration
courtesy of the Lists and your hard work!!!!
Rob B
..the best forum on the Internet!
Robert B
I can't tell you how grateful I am for your list and your
subscribers to keep me up to date and holding the dream.
Ashley M
This page makes it easy to contribute.
Jeffrey P
Thank you for your expertise in creating & running the
much useful lists!
Anthony P
Thanks for providing our advertising free on line community.
George R
Thanks for maintaining the equipment and software to
provide this valuable source of information to us
individuals. Your effort is appreciated by many more people
than you realize.
Ross H
Thanks for a great site. Although the project is complete
and flying I still get a wealth of information from all
the messages.
Marcus C
Only learned about you six months ago...my RV-7A is just
finished, but the list has been helpful. Wish I had
discovered you sooner.
Jack B
This is an invaluable communications media for us
common minded folks to exchange technical and other
information.
George H
..great service that you provide.
David W
..still appreciate your list.
Alain L
[The] Lists are an invaluable resource. I know that it has
helped me enormously in my project.
William B
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 46th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now
is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2009 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous
contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support through
the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and
I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2009.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Piper gear needed |
| From: | "Wildman" <scrambler13(at)hotmail.com> |
Urgently need help identifying my gear. I bought a Pietenpol Aerial biplane a few
months ago and it got damaged in transit home. I need to replace the main gear
but cannot identify it. The build log only says Piper gear installed. The
measurements are 20 3/4" outside to outside of the mounting flanges, 18 1/4"
inside to inside, main strut is 25 1/2" from hole to axle, axle is 1 1/2" OD,
6 bolt flange for backing plate, I would appreciate any help anyone could give
me. I need to identify and buy a set. Thank you.
Wade
cell -423-539-0527
home - 423-569-9360
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Pietenpol Aerial
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285061#285061
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| Subject: | pipersport intelectual ownership |
| From: | "tiethoff" <j.e.tiethoff(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Just returned from the Aero 2010 at Friedrischshafen in the south of
Germany. Great show and seen a lot of interesting "toys". Also heard the
rumour, from one of the guys at Piper maintenance, that the original
intelectual owner papers of the former CZAW Sportcruiser (now the Piper Sport),
are not in the posession of Piper. So they actually stole the
design ! Anyone to confirm this ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293935#293935
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| Subject: | PIPER WELDON TOOL CO FUEL PUMP 481-707 8120-G |
| From: | "toddwiechman" <toddwiechman(at)cox.net> |
PIPER WELDON TOOL CO FUEL PUMP
481-707 OR 8120-G
This fuel pump appears to be new or very well overhauled and was purchased a few
years ago. I never used it. This item is sold for $650.00 and a $250.00 core
charge at Quality Aircraft Accessories in Tulsa, OK. Aircraft Spruce sells similar
pumps for more than $650.00 to $1100.00. I am selling this item as-is as
I do not have an 8130 form for it.
It is for 12V DC and can be used on Piper Arrow, Turbo Arrow III and maybe other
aircraft.
Shipping will be actual cost for box and shipping and nothing will be added above
that.
Asking $500.00. Call me at 316-210-5670 and ask for Todd.
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Todd Wiechman
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300996#300996
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| Subject: | BENDIX STARTING VIBRATOR 10-176487-121 |
| From: | "toddwiechman" <toddwiechman(at)cox.net> |
Bendix Starting Vibrator
10-176487-121
This starting vibrator is new and was purchased a few years ago. I never used it
and I never will as I decided on a different ignition system. This item is sold
for $359.00 on Aircraft Spruce. I am selling this item as-is as I do not have
an 8130 form for it.
It is for 12V DC and can be used on S-200, S-400, S-500, S-600, and S-700 magnetos.
Shipping will be actual cost for box and shipping and nothing will be added above
that, or you can pick it up at no cost.
Asking $275.00 OBO. Call 316-210-5670 and ask for Todd.
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Todd Wiechman
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300997#300997
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| From: | "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842(at)cox.net> |
Had a fire and lost my 1955 PA 22. Few parts left, wheels, brakes, one
right hand droop tip and tail feathers. Firewall forward is slightly
scorched but useable. About 80 hours on a 135 D2 with a chrome major, new
muffler, climb prop, new nose bowl.
Would like to sell or buy a 1956 frame for the engine.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Piper-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/19/10 |
| From: | Michael Daniels <buells2t(at)gmail.com> |
Saturday we flew the Piper Tomahawk over Hoover Dam Saturday:
Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFa0lhJWcY
Pics here:
http://travel.webshots.com/album/578615067qfamtP?vhost=travel
Mike
--
Mike Daniels,
Twitter: Mike_Flys
Mytransponder: MJD
Podcast: http://www.milehighflyers.com
My airplane build site: http://www.mykitlog.com/buells2t/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/buells2t
http://mike-daniels.blogspot.com
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piper-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Piper-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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| From: | Michael Daniels <buells2t(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Does anyone know anything about Tri-Pacers? What should you look out for
when buying one?
--
Mike Daniels,
www.MEAviation.us
Twitter: Mike_Flys
Mytransponder: MJD
Podcast: http://www.milehighflyers.com
My airplane build site: http://www.mykitlog.com/buells2t/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/buells2t
http://mike-daniels.blogspot.com
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| From: | wwinston(at)glenarvon.com |
Mr. Daniels - The "Short Wing Piper Club", www.shortwing.org, costs
$40 a year, $33 of which pays for an excellent periodical
publication..."Short Wing Piper News". They offer much information
and drawings and STC information and loaner tools and....
everything.
They are the best-targeted, most objective, place to start, in my
opinion.
wwinston(at)glenarvon.com
> Does anyone know anything about Tri-Pacers? What should you look out
> for
> when buying one?
>
> --
> Mike Daniels,
>
> www.MEAviation.us
> Twitter: Mike_Flys
> Mytransponder: MJD
> Podcast: http://www.milehighflyers.com
> My airplane build site: http://www.mykitlog.com/buells2t/
> YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/buells2t
> http://mike-daniels.blogspot.com
>
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| From: | "asu4me" <rv74me(at)yahoo.com> |
Mid time (preferably) O-360 wanted for my RV-7 project. An -A1A would be ideal
but will consider other models. Please contact Jerry at rv74me(at)yahoo.com.
--------
Jerry Kosirog
RV7A Finish Kit
N855GK (Reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317460#317460
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO
advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack
of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages
and web site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and
not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
* Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder and Flyer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will instantly cease to receive these
Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple.
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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You are providing a great service. Thanks so very much.
David L
Keep up the good work! A great website - wish I'd found it earlier!
Bob S
Thanks for providing a site for information.
Jim S
Thanks again for providing a great service to our community!
Alex M
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Robert B.
Great forum!
David S
Thanks for providing the Kolb List for the last 12 years.
John H
Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks.
Ian C
Your work and effort are greatly appreciated.
Nicolas L
Thank you very much for keeping the list going!
Svein J
Thank you for your support to the community.
Valin T
I am a long time subscriber and a slow builder because of
work and two moves, but still enjoy the process and your
list.
CL M
Thanks for providing this service. It can't be beat!
Thomas W
I'm no longer a builder or flier but I like to keep in touch with
the List - which is the best organised list I've seen on the Internet.
Gerry C
Matt, you are doing a GREAT service to the community of KOLB
Builders and Flyers.
John B
I've been flying for almost two years and still find these Lists as a great
resource for information.....now I get to answer a question once-in-a-while too.
Ralph C
Thanks for this great service.
Dale E
I couldn't keep on building without the support I get from this List.
Thomas S
This is a great service to all of us.
Michael W
I am no longer actively building, but I really like to keep up with what's
going on, and I especially like to follow Bob Nuckolls - and your RV-8.
Terrence W
I really appreciate your work and consider the lists to be a great value.
Christopher R
Thanks Matt for a great resource!
Geoff T
Many thanks for providing this service. I love it.
William V
One of the best Internet Deals going...
Owen B
Thanks for the great site.
Danny S
A valuable resource.
George A
Thanks for running a great list.
Ted P
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR
CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response
has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If you've
been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good
time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well!
Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the
*only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this
Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could
easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist.
You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your
individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping
the List services alive.
Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have
helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 17%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this
year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind
last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of
the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income
might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping
the operation a float.
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December.
The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't you take
a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these Forum services.
I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions, and I've share a few below.
There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup
a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Great resource, keep it coming...
Marten V.
Thanks for maintaining these essential lists!
Rumen D.
Great Service!
Douglas D.
Thanks for this great service!
Peter T.
Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications!
Daniel M.
You do a great job and provide a valuable service.
Mark B.
It's really a great source I have used a lot.
Robert K.
Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine...
Perry C.
Great job running these lists.
Edward T.
Thanks for doing a tough job.
Mic T.
Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98".
Ron V.
Its a very useful forum.
Dave F.
Really enjoy your list...
William D.
Great service,
Gerald T.
The list still is a valuable source of information and there
are many worthwhile postings.
Graham H.
The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12.
Albert G.
Thanks for a great resource!
Barry H.
Thank you for maintaining this excellent site.
Bill W.
The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service.
William C.
I appreciate the RV-10 list.
Vijay P.
Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do.
Ian W.
Thanks for keeping up this very useful list.
George R.
The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems
I come up against during construction.
Greg W.
The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people
and made lots of friends.
Dave S.
It's really a great source I haved used a lot.
Robert K.
I read the Pietenpol List everyday.
PF B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then
now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2010 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2010 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and
running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2010 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2010.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Piper-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/31/11 |
| From: | Kennard Yamada <kennard.derek(at)GMAIL.COM> |
How can I stop getting these emails?
Thank you,
Kennard Yamada
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Piper-List Digest Server <
piper-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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> Today's complete Piper-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Piper-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
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>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-01-31&Archive=Piper
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Kennard Yamada
Kennard.derek(at)gmail.com
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| Subject: | Rear Spar Troubles |
| From: | "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com> |
During this years annual it was found that at some point someone had put a lucite
'inspection panel' on the inside right wing - just ahead of the flap. When
they had done that, they ran five screws into the rear spar cap, and possibly
into the spar itself. Does anyone know of an approved spar repair?
Thank you,
Lowell Johnson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347061#347061
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rear_spar_200.bmp
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| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear Spar Troubles |
What kind of aircraft are you talking about?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> lowell23(at)msn.com
> July 19, 2011 12:44 PM
>
>
> During this years annual it was found that at some point someone had
> put a lucite 'inspection panel' on the inside right wing - just ahead
> of the flap. When they had done that, they ran five screws into the
> rear spar cap, and possibly into the spar itself. Does anyone know of
> an approved spar repair?
> Thank you,
> Lowell Johnson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347061#347061
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rear_spar_200.bmp
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear Spar Troubles |
One approved method is to replace the wing with a serviceable used
one.....minor repair, log book entry only.
Otherwise you are probably looking at getting Piper or DER to engineer
an approved repair to present to FSDO for field approval as a major repair.
Kelly
A&P/IA
On 7/19/2011 10:44 AM, lowell23(at)msn.com wrote:
> --> Piper-List message posted by: "lowell23(at)msn.com"
>
> During this years annual it was found that at some point someone had put a lucite
'inspection panel' on the inside right wing - just ahead of the flap. When
they had done that, they ran five screws into the rear spar cap, and possibly
into the spar itself. Does anyone know of an approved spar repair?
> Thank you,
> Lowell Johnson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347061#347061
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rear_spar_200.bmp
>
>
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| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Wings and Wheels Fly-In and Cruise-In |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Wings and Wheels Fly-In/Cruise-In |
Join us for our first annual
*Wings and Wheels Fly-In/Cruise-In*
http://www.eaa21.org
October 15, 2011
Tri-State Aero Parking Lot on US 41 and General Aviation Ramp
Evansville Regional Airport (EVV)
Evansville, Indiana
10:00 AM to 3:00 PM
Awards Presentation at 2:00 PM
Doesn't matter if you're cruising on LAND, WATER or AIR...
Just cruise on in
/where we're making flying fun again!/
Free Admission
Food Booths
Travel and Vacation Vendors
Military, General Aviation and Experimental Aircraft Displays
Fly-In, Cruise-In
Meet the Pilots and Drivers
Door Prizes & 1/2 Pot
Great Music with DJ
Dance Exhibitions - E'ville Swing Cats
Awards for Airplanes and Cruisers
Awards to the Top 25
Award For Best Home-Built Electric Vehicle
Commemorative Vinyl Decals to All Fly-In and Cruise-In Vehicles
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Wings and Wheels Fly-In/Cruise-In |
Join us for our first annual
*Wings and Wheels Fly-In/Cruise-In*
http://www.eaa21.org
October 15, 2011
Tri-State Aero Parking Lot on US 41 and General Aviation Ramp
Evansville Regional Airport (EVV)
Evansville, Indiana
10:00 AM to 3:00 PM
Awards Presentation at 2:00 PM
Doesn't matter if you're cruising on LAND, WATER or AIR...
Just cruise on in
/where we're making flying fun again!/
Free Admission
Food Booths
Travel and Vacation Vendors
Military, General Aviation and Experimental Aircraft Displays
Fly-In, Cruise-In
Meet the Pilots and Drivers
Door Prizes & 1/2 Pot
Great Music with DJ
Dance Exhibitions - E'ville Swing Cats
Awards for Airplanes and Cruisers
Awards to the Top 25
Award For Best Home-Built Electric Vehicle
Commemorative Vinyl Decals to All Fly-In and Cruise-In Vehicles
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years Strong!! |
Dear Listers,
This year marks 21 years of the Email Lists and Forums at Matronics! I've been
running these forums for nearly half my life! I've made some great friends over
the years and had countless email and personal conversations with builders
about aircraft building and flying. What a great community of people! The advice,
support, and friendship has be invaluable over the years.
To support the continued operation and upgrade of the List servers, each November
I hold a PBS-like fund raiser. It is solely through the Contributions of List
members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising
to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing
banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web
site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - airplanes!
During the month of November, I will be sending out List messages every couple
of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year we've got another terrific line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. Many of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists
and they have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, and Andy for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder (and Rebuilder) and Flyer
RV-6 Rebuilder and Flyer
RV-4 Builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for over 21 years (yeah, I really
said *21* years) worth of on line archive data available for instant search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining
the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these aspects of Matronics List services.
Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your Contributions
alone keep these services up and running.
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | The Value of a Forum... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Arn't the Lists worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR Lists?
Please make a Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published |
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the Lists
are a whole lot more valuable than your typical magazine subscription!
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 20%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 20%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many
years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of
hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution Today... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the List of Contributors
is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported
and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions during
this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last
few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what the
Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please read over
the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support
and camaraderie you have found here.
We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really
want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it
take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep
the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that
keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few List Member Comments =====================
I get a lot of useful information and satisfaction from belonging to
your groups. Somehow you foster a great sense of community without
the baggage that accompanies other lists.
Dave S.
We do appreciate you running the lists spam and advertising free.
Jeff P.
I am celebrating my first flight day and you and the lists deserve
a thanks since without it my build would have taken twice as long.
Chris L.
I enjoy the list. Have my morning coffee with it!
Buddy M.
Your lists are the best investment of my time and money, bar none,
when it comes to interfacing with my fellow amateur builders.
Owen B.
Keep it going!! Thanks for taking over.
Wallace J.
I enjoy the Pietenpol List a lot.
Malcolm Z.
Thanks for your great site! As a new CJ-6 owner, your web site is an
invaluable resource.
Ken B.
Great informational source.
Fred S.
Thanks for doing this!
Lance G.
Thank you for the service i do enjoy the many hours I use on line with
the banter/ serious technical items.
Noel G.
Thanks for the years of builder support.
Roy H.
Great forum!
Roger C.
Thank you VERY MUCH, Matt, for carrying on with this great service.
The "Europa" community really appreciates it. All the best, Svein - now
celebrating 10 years as a subscriber, I think!
Svein J.
Matt, I'm building a much nicer and safer airplane because of your efforts.
Robert D.
21 years for you 9 years for me on the Zenith lists. Could not imagine
building and flying without Matronics.
Brian U.
Thanks for ALL the hard work and time you put into maintaining these
forums. As an EAA Tech counselor I recommend them often.
Paul M.
This Pietenpol list is a huge part of the motivation that keeps me working
on my project. This has been a great place for meeting like minded folks
and getting help for the difficult parts.
Thomas S.
Thanks for the excellent service Matt.
Frank S.
Matt, I'm a Sonex building, but I have to say that the Piet group is without
a doubt the most interesting.
Ken M.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the Piet List. This is one of my sanity
lifelines!
Daniel H.
Your site has provided us over the years with excellent connections to others
for advice. Good job!
Bob M.
Kolb List is my #1 source!
Henry V.
Matt, you do a great job with this site. I've been with it since the
beginning!
John M.
I am very grateful for all of your excellent work on the List.
Arthur L.
Thank you for the service you provide us all!
Nicholas C.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really
nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few More List Member Comments =====================
I never would have ended up with the great flying airplane I have without
the help of people on the Pietenpol list. Thanks for giving us the medium
to communicate our questions, tips and suggestions.
Matt P.
Thanks for the hard work and maintaining the site commercial free. Good
luck for the future and this site has been a source of great friendship.
Peter B.
It is a great resource.
Jim G.
Thanks so much for your continuing support of the homebuilt community.
Gerald A.
You are doing an outstanding job running the list's. Keep it going.
Bill V.
Thanks for keeping this valuable information source going. Best of all
the forums.
George A.
Another Great year on the RV-List!
Thomas E.
Still the best source of information (& opinion) for builders on a wide
range of issues.
Martin H.
Matt, thanks for hosting and maintaining the lists!
Rumen D.
It is a great resource.
Bryan R.
Thanks for your continuing interest in Van's RV8 kitplanes.
Peter C.
I'm no longer building or flying but like to keep in touch with the current
generation of builders. Best wishes to a great list system.
Gerry C.
A great list that is most useful for builders.
Graham H.
Thanks for this wonderful tool!
Ralph C.
Thanks for a great service to the experimental aviation community.
Douglas D.
Great topics and loads of useful info keep the subject matter relevant.
George H.
Thanks for keeping this going.
Richard R.
Great facility and well managed.
Victor F.
Thanks for a great service.
John D.
Thank you for you time and efforts they have made Aviation a better
place for everyone.
Jim W.
I still enjoy getting the list in the morning.
Don M.
You provide a great resource.
David M.
You have probably saved a few necks over the years.
Robert F.
Thank you for being there.
Benjamin B.
You perform a great service.
Bruce M.
Thank you for providing this invaluable resource.
William D.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Hardware Failure - Matronics Web Servers Currently Offline |
failure and is currently not available. Replacement hardware has been ordered
and should arrive on Tuesday 12/6/2011. All services should be restored
shortly there after.
During the outage, the Matronics Forums, Wiki, and other web-based List services
will NOT be available.
However, during the outage, all normal EMAIL based sevices WILL be available so
you may continue to post messages to the various lists without an issue.
I am so sorry for any inconvenience this web server outage has caused...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Services Restored! |
Dear Listers,
web services have been fully restored including the Web Forums, List Browse,
Archive Search, Wiki, and AeroElectric web sites. It was quite an ordeal getting
the replacement boards for the server, but things went back together tonight
and are up and running nicely. The first company I ordered the boards from
originally called me a day later to say that, whoops, they really didn't have
them in stock after all... Fortunately, I was able to locate some through
a different source and had then over-nighted and they arrived today.
Thank you for your patience and consideration though the whole thing!
The List Contribution web site is also back on line for those wishing to make a
donation to the effort:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Administrator
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| Subject: | PA-32 Loading Ramp |
| From: | "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm designing a welded aluminum loading ramp for the PA-32 and I need to know the
rear door height (door frame to ground). Apparently, this varies a little depending
on the ramp weight, tire pressure and other variables. Therefore, I'd
like to collect a few measurements and average them. If you have a moment to
measure your door height, I'd greatly appreciate it.
-David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361105#361105
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2011 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2011 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and
running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2011 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2011.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Piper Arrow Main Gear Tolerance |
The main gear on my 1968 Piper Arrow has about 0.2 inches of fore and
aft movement (measured at the axel) when the aircraft is up on jacks.
There are no obvious signs of damage or wear, but I'm not sure if this
movement is normal or an indication of excessive wear. The service
manual does not list any tolerances for this function.
Normally, I would not expect this much movement, but I'm not sure what's
typical for this model aircraft. If anyone has experience that they
could share I would appreciate it.
John Grosse
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| From: | bob <rmfitz929(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Piper-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/04/12 |
On 4/5/2012 2:00 AM, Piper-List Digest Server wrote:
> *Has any one made the transition from a Dakota to a Saratoga or 6X? There doesn't
appear to be much gain in useful load so are the size and equipment upgrades
worth the change? We operate from 1800' of grass. Thanks.
>
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| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR |
Our EAA Chapter's Saturday Fly-ins, known as EAA 21 Club, were such a
roaring success the past two years - We are going to do it again.
We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for
all that fly in.
Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be
and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of
each month.
When: May 5, June 2, July 7, August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012
10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time.
Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR)
If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers,
Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's.
EAA 21 Club is expanding. Watch for the announcement about our new
Third Saturday Fly-Ins at EVV
http://www.eaa21.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <contato(at)kraussaero.com.br> |
| Subject: | PA11 ENGINE MOUNT BUSHINGS |
Dears,
Attached are some picutres about engine mount bushings for Lycoming
Engine O-320-A2B of 160Hp. We are installing that engine at our PA-11
aircraft after restoration. We are having a lot of dificult to find
those bushings, so, I would like to ask all help on this subject. We are
using dynafocal mount as you can see at the pics. Where we can buy those
bushings? I saw in aircraft spuce, univair, bush and outher, but without
success.
Thanks a lot for your help.
My Best Regards,
Roberto Serrano
www.kraussaero.com.br
55 35 32611884
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| From: | <contato(at)kraussaero.com.br> |
| Subject: | PA11 ENGINE MOUNT BUSHINGS |
Dears,
Attached are some picutres about engine mount bushings for Lycoming
Engine O-320-A2B of 160Hp. We are installing that engine at our PA-11
aircraft after restoration. We are having a lot of dificult to find
those bushings, so, I would like to ask all help on this subject. We are
using dynafocal mount as you can see at the pics. Where we can buy those
bushings? I saw in aircraft spuce, univair, bush and outher, but without
success.
Thanks a lot for your help.
My Best Regards,
Roberto Serrano
www.kraussaero.com.br
55 35 32611884
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| From: | BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: PA11 ENGINE MOUNT BUSHINGS |
I have never seen this type checked Wag_Aero 1-800-558-6868 It looks pre
dynafocal lord type, maybe even not the right ones for that engine.
Jess
In a message dated 5/29/2012 5:24:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
contato(at)kraussaero.com.br writes:
Dears,
Attached are some picutres about engine mount bushings for Lycoming Engine
O-320-A2B of 160Hp. We are installing that engine at our PA-11 aircraft
after restoration. We are having a lot of dificult to find those bushings,
so, I would like to ask all help on this subject. We are using dynafocal
mount as you can see at the pics. Where we can buy those bushings? I saw in
aircraft spuce, univair, bush and outher, but without success.
Thanks a lot for your help.
My Best Regards,
Roberto Serrano
_www.kraussaero.com.br_ (http://www.kraussaero.com.br/)
55 35 32611884
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| From: | <contato(at)kraussaero.com.br> |
| Subject: | Re: PA11 ENGINE MOUNT BUSHINGS |
Dear Jass, thanks a lot for your prompt reply. This is our difficult. We
can not find those bushings anywhere. Or are greter than or samall than
the type we have here .
My Best Regards,
Roberto Serrano
www.kraussaero.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com
To: piper-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Piper-List: PA11 ENGINE MOUNT BUSHINGS
I have never seen this type checked Wag_Aero 1-800-558-6868 It looks
pre dynafocal lord type, maybe even not the right ones for that engine.
Jess
In a message dated 5/29/2012 5:24:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
contato(at)kraussaero.com.br writes:
Dears,
Attached are some picutres about engine mount bushings for Lycoming
Engine O-320-A2B of 160Hp. We are installing that engine at our PA-11
aircraft after restoration. We are having a lot of dificult to find
those bushings, so, I would like to ask all help on this subject. We are
using dynafocal mount as you can see at the pics. Where we can buy those
bushings? I saw in aircraft spuce, univair, bush and outher, but without
success.
Thanks a lot for your help.
My Best Regards,
Roberto Serrano
www.kraussaero.com.br
55 35 32611884
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY |
Our EAA 21 Club Fly-Ins now include Saturday Matinee at the Movies.
This month watch "Strategic Air Command" at 1:00 pm, with free popcorn,
in the air-conditioned FBO conference room
We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for
all that fly in.
Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be
and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of
each month.
When: June 2, July 7, August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012
10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time.
Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR)
If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers,
Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's.
EAA 21 Club is expanding. Watch for the announcement about our new
Third Saturday Fly-Ins at EVV
Be sure to stop by our web site for information about Evansville's World
Class Air Show June 9th and 10th, 2012
http://www.eaa21.org
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| Subject: | PA22/20 Cowl Change with Engine Swap |
| From: | "gentryll" <gentryll(at)aol.com> |
Is there a cowl change involved with swapping out a 135 hp. D2 with a 150 O-320
A1A or A2B?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374432#374432
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| Subject: | Amphib Floats For Sale |
| From: | "Okanogan Lew" <vplewis(at)community.org> |
Full Lotus 1650 amphibs, $8750. See Barnstormers.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374594#374594
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| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY |
Our EAA 21 Club Fly-Ins now include Saturday Matinee at the Movies, with
free popcorn, in the air-conditioned FBO conference room
We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for
all that fly in.
Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be
and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of
each month.
When: July 7, August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012
10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time.
Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR)
If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers,
Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's.
EAA 21 Club is expanding. Watch for the announcement about our new
Third Saturday Fly-Ins at EVV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY |
We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for
all that fly in.
Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be
and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of
each month.
When: August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012
10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time.
Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR)
If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers,
Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's.
http://www.eaa21.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's through solely
through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are
possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web
sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product line.
I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund
Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Make sure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate
the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using
your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A Message From AeroElectric's Bob Nuckolls... |
Dear Listers,
The well known Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric posted a great message Monday on
the AeroElectric-List regarding the Matronics Lists and the importance of supporting
the operation during the Fund Raiser. Please take a minute to read Bob's
commentary below, reposted to the other Matronics Lists with his permission...
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:58:41 -0600
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Please Make A Contribution Today!
At 02:14 AM 11/5/2012, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
> acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
> support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that
> took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
>
I will add my voice to this suggestion. It's
easy to enjoy the benefits of what's available to us
off-the-shelves at the corner mega-marts. It's
seldom that we give pause to learn and understand the
processes and tools that made it possible to reach out
and select from dozens of options.
This, and all civil societies, runs on talent, energy
and mobility. Mobility exploited by thousands of hands,
machines and transportation that figure into the
'infrastructure' that puts the boxes of Wheaties and
Pop Tarts on the shelves.
See "I pencil" http://tinyurl.com/36xkhq
Any break in that chain of time, talent and resources
at least interrupts if not totally halts flow of
that benefit. Matt's room full of byte-thrashers is
like the natural gas pumping station a few miles from
my house. If those pumps stop, who ever is expecting
the furnace to come on at the other end of the pipe
is at risk for reduced service and/or higher costs
for that service.
Matt's yearly endeavor to keep his pumps running is
a trivial burden on the members of the Lists
but of incalculable value to those who participate
on them. No donation is too small.
We go to a fly-in a willingly chuck a few bucks into
the coffee can at the drinks and donuts table, let's
chuck a few bucks into Matt's coffee can too. 50,000
pounds of value doesn't get to the shelves on time
if one 18-wheeler runs out of gas. The T-bytes of
data flow we all enjoy don't get from your keyboard
to the screens of others unless Matt pays the light
bill and strokes the machines to keep them happy.
No, $5 won't get you a free copy of the 'Connection
or a fuel sampler but it will go toward the assurance
that logging onto your favorite List will open
doors that you would be sorely missed should you find
that hitting the return key doesn't produce the
expected response.
$5 from every List customer on Matt's system will
go a very long way to keeping the byte-pumps running.
$More$ will go a long way to upgrading the size
and quality of the machines as the old ones get
long in the tooth. No matter what size of donation
you choose . . . please do it now . . .
Bob . . .
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 22 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
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