RV-Archive.digest.vol-bz
October 07, 1996 - October 16, 1996
I talked to Barb at Vans today to check on expected ship date of
my"partial" (less spar) wing kit, ordered 2 1/2 weeks ago.
She said they're not planning to ship these for 2-3 more weeks
because they've had to "...rewrite the plans and manuals to cover
shipment of the partial kits."
Just thought you'd like top know.
George Kilishek
RV-8 SN 80006.
Waiting on wing kit.
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| Subject: | Lycoming Service Bulletin 527A |
The following is from TEXTRON Lycoming MANDATORY SERVICE BULLETIN
Date: October 1, 1996
Service Bulletin No. 527A (Supersedes Service Bulletin No. 527)
Subject: Recall of Piston Pin Part No. LW-14077
Models Affected: Models and serial numbers of all engines affected shipped
from Textron Lycoming are listed following the text of this bulletin.
(The list is too long to attach to this email.)
Time of Compliance: Prior to 50 hours of operation.
Textron Lycoming has determined that a quantity of piston pins have been
manufactured which do not meet Textron Lycoming manufacturing specifications.
Some piston pins may have imperfections with no visual method of detection.
The subject piston pins are identified by the code number located on the end
of the pin.
The following actions are required by this bulletin:
1. It is mandatory that all piston pins marked with code 17328 installed in
engines manufactured and shipped from Textron Lycoming be removed from
affected engines and returned to Textron Lycoming, Williansport, PA. Subject
engines are listed by models and serial numbers following the text in the
Service Bulletin.
(This list is too long to include here. See your A&P or Lycoming parts
dealer. The code number is located on the side of the piston pin.)
2. Engines overhauled in the field using Piston Pin(s) P/N LW-14077 that
were obtained during the time period December 15, 1995 thru September 17,
1996 must also have the piston pin(s) marked with code 17328 removed and
returned to Textron Lycoming.
3. Any cylinder kits which were obtained/installed on engines during the
time peroid December 15, 1996 thru September 17, 1996 that contain LW14077
piston pin(s) marked with17328 code removed and returned to Textron Lycoming.
a) Any cylinder kits which are still in kit form should be inspected........
After this inspection the cylinder kit should be marked with permanent ink
stating that this cylinder complies with Service Bulletin No. 527.
b) If the cylinder kit has been installed on an engine, the cylinder
assembly rocker cover flange must be inspected for a lot number which is
permanent ink stamped on the flange. The rocker cover must be removed to
examine the lot number. The lot number may have a one or two letter prefix.
Only the four or five digit number should be used for inspection. A five
digit lot number requires the pin to be inspected. Any cylinder marked with
a four digit lot number less than 2450 requires the piston pin to be
inspected; if the four digit lot number is 2450 or greater, no farther
inspection is required.
4. Any Piston Pin(s), LW-14077 obtained individually during the time peroid
December 15, 1996 thru September 17, 1996 that are marked with code 17328,
must also be returned to Textron Lycoming, Williansport, PA.
---------- end of Lycoming Quote ----------
The list of NEW, OVERHAULED and REMANUFACTURED engines is 6 pages long. The
first 5 pages is just O-320 and (I)O-360 engines. Lycoming is providing up
to 13 Hours Labor Allowances for the replacement. I cannot answer all the
questions that everyone will have on this issue over e-mail. Since I desire
that all RV's be operated safely. I would like our community to know about
this SERVICE BULLETIN. I will have the original copy at EAA Cable Chapter
448 meeting on Friday.
Gary A. Sobek
RV-6 20480 N-157GS
Aerospace Electrical Engineer
FAA Powerplant Mechanic
EAA Technical Counselor
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| From: | gary white <gwhite(at)vaxxine.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-6 Empenage kit for sale |
>To one and all:
>
>I have a friend who, after purchasing an RV-6 empenage kit, and having
>had many moons of contemplative thoughts, decided that metal projects
>were not for him. He is basically a wood lover, and couldn't get himself
>enthused over working with metal. He would like to part with this dream
>kit (+ plans) for some negotiable part of what it cost him. I think he
>has done some smoothing of parts but probably no drilling or riveting. He
>is a meticulous, honest craftsman (I know because he is my dentist), and
>would represent what he has with care.
>
>If anyone is interested in purchasing this kit from him, or, knows of
>someone who would, please call him at his home in the evening.
>
>Gary Rene
>(612) 920-1149 (Minnesota)
>
>Thanks for your patience in reading this message.
>
>Fred Hiatt, RV-6A, hiatt001(at)gold.tc.umn.edu
>
>
Fred:
Do you know how much he is asking for the empennage kit? Perhaps he could
drop me a line at gwhite(at)vaxxine.com or call 905-262-5822 or fax info to
905-262-5925 Does it have electric trim ?
I'm located in Niagara Falls
Thanks
Gary White
------------------------------------------------------------
Name : gary white
, ON, Canada
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| From: | Jerry Springer <jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Jig: Change to original plan? |
Rick Osgood wrote:
> > I'd like to hear comments on this as my jig is going up over the next
> > two weeks (I have a pending lawsuit from Mitch Faatz, representing my
> > tailkit. They're claiming GROSS NEGLECT...).
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > EB #80131
> > barnes_eric(at)tandem.com
>
> Hope your kidding on the lawsuit.. The dimensions of the jig are not
> important. The tail kit just uses the surface for somplace straight to
> hang out. The wing kit uses the two uprights but not the cross piece.
> The wig spar hangs on two angle brackets. As long as all are straight
> and plumb you are OK.
>
> You will find a few errors like this along the way and most dont make
> any difference at all.
>
> Rick
> --
> Rick(at)ccc.henn.tec.mn.us
Geez you guys do I have to explain all of the jokes here on the list
Mitch's wife is a lawyer so Eric's tail kit hired her because Eric was
neglecting them (the tail kit).
-
Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro, OR
jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com
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| From: | kevin lane <kevinlane(at)sprintmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Poor man's torque "wrench" |
Finn Lassen wrote:
>
> Here's an idea on how to makeshift a simple torque wrench.....right on guy, I
recognize and salute the true homebuilt spirit here. I
didn't get one response to my "laser guided sledge dimpler" but then I
guess most of them are too busy building their explosion-proof paint
booths(hey, it happened once in 1988, 1964...) and researching primer-
related air casualties. :) :) kevinlane(at)sprintmail.com
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| From: | kevin lane <kevinlane(at)sprintmail.com> |
| Subject: | wanted: 0-320 acces. cover |
I am in need of a fuel pump, gears, shaft, and cover for 1984 O-320 D2J
and have cover w/out fuel pump + $$ to trade(800 SN).
kevinlane(at)sprintmail.com
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| From: | James & Mary Mc Phee <bluegum(at)ihug.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: H2ADand CDI System? |
>
>to Rob Acker, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA/RV6Q/ N164RA
The CDI is mounted on top of the battery box and the TI portion on the
inside firewall. The coils are on the engine mount cross members and all
totally independant of the mag. We could not find the correct mag
replacement so after trying 4 mags we just stripped out the guts of the
right mag and left it empty. MRV used to use 57 pounds fph @ 2,500rpm now
use 49 @ 2,600 and runs beautifully. No lead on plugs using 100LL. Still
have finger width of throttle left @ 11,000ft. Static run 2,420rpm, used to
be 2,150 rpm. Using 68 x 71 wooden prop, note 2" course, cruising prop.
TAS @ 2,600 rpm is 177 mph, 155 knots. Needs a bit of drag reduced. Claus
Savier does not supply the magnet brackets for the H, so you have to make
them yourself, but it is THE BEST SYSTEM on the market. With this system
you will have total redundancy and no rpm drop when you switch the mag off.
Yes, it will keep running. Let me know how you get on. The H is a very good
motor treated the right way, I treated mine with Microlon and will argue the
case with anyone.
>>
>>James Mc Phee, Auckland, New Zealand. ZK-MRV S/No 20334
>
>I am considering this engine as well. Is the CDI system completely
>independent of the left mag? More specifically, if the shaft driving the
>dual magneto fails does the electronic ignition keep the engine running?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rob Acker (r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com)
>Rancho Santa Margarita, CA / RV-6Q / N164RA reserved
>
>
>
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rollbar and canopy frame profile do not match |
<< Would you like to enlarge a little on the "used a torch" comment. How hot
do
you make the tubing, over what distance, do you need to quench it
afterwards, how did you handle the hot tubing etc? >>
Leo-
I used a MAPP gas torch and heated a 6" length of the rollover bar tubing to
a dull red in absolutely still air (at about 80 degrees F). I then removed
the torch, nursed the bend one way or the other as necessary and allowed to
cool naturally. This is the same procedure used for normalizing after
welding 4130.
-Gary VanRemortel
vanremog(at)aol.com
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| From: | Fred New <fred(at)ics.ee> |
| Subject: | Re: All New Scans & Videos... |
On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Cecil Hatfield / Fourstar Printing wrote:
> Yep, it's retractable. I saw it at Van's Fly-in last month.
My MS Internet Explorer 3.0 wouldn't display any of Matt's images that I
tried. Netscape Navigator worked better. (It's a nice looking RV-4.) The
message I get from =B4Internet Explorer is something like, "this stupid
browser cannot open the Internet site
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/business/matronics/Scans/896rtk-1.jpg. The
server returned extended information."=20
Maybe I'm doing something wrong; is there something I should know about
this?
--
Fred New, Systems Administrator RV-6A, dreaming & planning
IC Systems | Mustam=E4e tee 12 | EE0006 Tallinn | Eston=
ia
Internet--fred(at)ics.ee voice--(372) 656-5477 fax--(372) 656-5476
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ft/lbs or In/lbs?? |
Hello...........Shelby.
More often than not
12 in-lb = 1 ft-lb = 1 lb force acting at a 12" dist = 12 lb force acting at
a 1" dist
16 in-oz = 1 in-lb = 1 oz force acting at a 16" dist = 16 oz force acting at
a 1" dist
But make sure you use a calibrated ruler along with your pound of flesh.
Actually, it's a little known fact but, torque is really measured in lb-in
(pound-inches) or lb-ft (pound-feet), but we forgive and accept the former
units because of their common usage.
Gary VanRemortel
vanremog(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | 5th point seat belt hook up |
Question from 2, RV6 builders. Have purchased Wag Aero 5 point seat belt
harness system. Does any body have plans, sketches of "crotch" 5th point
hook up location and possibably brackets required? Thanks, David McManmon
Cicero, NY.
McManD(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: shape of rollbar and canopy fram do not match |
Pardon me...but being new to this service.....what is your "news letter"?
BTW are canopy questions and troubles prone to tip up or slider or just both?
I am on the fuselage, and my finishing kit is due any time now. (RV6, tip
up). So the
canopy isn't to far from now.
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| From: | Patrick Kelley <patk(at)mail.ic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Jig: Change to original plan? |
Rick Osgood wrote:
>
> Tandem.COM!BARNES_ERIC(at)matronics.com wrote:
> >
> > In speaking with the Van's rep. (not
> > Bill, Tom, Andy or Ken, but I don't know his name), I was told that the
> > dimensions for the empanage jig were incorrect on the "first sets of
> > plans". The correct dimensions for the cross piece are 111"-115"
> > between uprights (and NOT 109").
> >
> > I'd like to hear comments on this as my jig is going up over the next
> > two weeks (I have a pending lawsuit from Mitch Faatz, representing my
> > tailkit. They're claiming GROSS NEGLECT...).
> >
> Hope your kidding on the lawsuit.. The dimensions of the jig are not
> important. The tail kit just uses the surface for somplace straight to
> hang out. The wing kit uses the two uprights but not the cross piece.
> The wig spar hangs on two angle brackets. As long as all are straight
> and plumb you are OK.
>
I'd like to elaborate a bit. If your uprights are closer than the
length of the wing, then you will have problems drilling and riveting
wing skins where the uprights are in the way. If they are farther
apart, the wing sits between them (Ok, a little displaced by the
supports) and you have clear access to both sides. I discovered this
with my RV-6A jig and also that the crosspiece had to go while building
the wing. In my opionion, you are better off with the crosspieces a
little too far apart than too close together, as you can always extend
the spar temporarily to hang it in the jig. As mentioned elsewhere, the
exact dimension is not critical for the tail surfaces - if it works for
the wing, it will work for the horizontal stabilizer.
By the way, if your tailkit wins it's suit against you, Eric, I would
like to be the first to apply as a suitable foster home.
PatK - RV-6A - Left aileron partially complete, left flap in assembly
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| From: | dieck(at)apexcomm.net (Robert Dieck) |
| Subject: | Re: RV 8 Wing Spars |
>The delay in getting the spars shipped is, in fact, due to the changes
>Randall refers to. Phlogisten is having problems setting up the new
>mill that makes the "...one big machined piece that replaces the webs
>and spar strips of the -3, 4, and -6."
>
>If someone has a different understanding from speaking to Van's, please
>pass it along. I'm counting on a prebuilt, anodized spar!
The 8 has 4 spar strips. The first 100 sets were milled by Steve Lange in
Wausau WI (Steve's dad Harmon makes the landing gear for RV's). The plan was
to have all 4 strips alike but Van's made a change and now the kit has 2
sets of 2 spar strips. I watched some of the strips being machined and they
are beautiful(chapter 243 meets in Steve's shop). I wish may 6 had such a
simple spar. I don't know what the hang up is at Phlogisten but I know that
the spar strips have been done for at least 2 months.
Bob Dieck
RV6a Fuse.
Wausau WI USA
Robert/Tammie Dieck
dieck(at)apexcomm.net
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| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
| Subject: | Conv. from Const. speed to Fixed |
I promised the list this info and was asked again.
Lycoming Service Instruction April 25,1986 No.1435
Subject: Conversion from Constant Speed to Fixed Pitch
Propeller and Vice Versa
"When changing from a constant speed to a fixed pitch
propeller, it is necessary to pierce a 1/8" to 3/16"
hole in (or remove) the plug behind the oil return tube,
and install an expansion plug in the front of the crankshaft."
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
Albuquerque, NM
dboudro(at)nmia.com
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| Subject: | Re: Poor man's torque "wrench" |
<3259DA5D.377D(at)sprintmail.com>
| From: | wstucklen1(at)juno.com (Frederic W Stucklen) |
writes:
>Finn Lassen wrote:
>>
>> Here's an idea on how to makeshift a simple torque wrench.....right
>on guy, I recognize and salute the true homebuilt spirit here. I
>didn't get one response to my "laser guided sledge dimpler" but then I
>
>guess most of them are too busy building their explosion-proof paint
>booths(hey, it happened once in 1988, 1964...) and researching primer-
>
>related air casualties. :) :) kevinlane(at)sprintmail.com
>
But then again, many of us are just storig these ideas away, getting
ready to build our SECOND, THIRD, .... RV..............
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| From: | PhilipR920(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | QuickBuild Corrosion |
There was a recent report here of corrosion in the wings of a 6AQ.
I have ordered a 6AQ and would like more info on the incident, but did not
save the report or make note of the author. I have only been involved with
the list for about a week and wonder if there have been other incidents of
corrosion on quickbuild kit components.
Phil Rogerson
philipr(at)aol.com
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| From: | Chris Ruble <cruble(at)cisco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Service Bulletin 527A |
Wow! I'm sure glad we decided on the Superior Millennium cylinders
when 85W got a new engine 6 mos. ago. I would be a very angry man
if we had to tear down the top end at 110 hrs.
Chris
>
> The following is from TEXTRON Lycoming MANDATORY SERVICE BULLETIN
> Date: October 1, 1996
> Service Bulletin No. 527A (Supersedes Service Bulletin No. 527)
>
> Subject: Recall of Piston Pin Part No. LW-14077
>
(s) marked with code 17328 removed and
> returned to Textron Lycoming.
>
> 3. Any cylinder kits which were obtained/installed on engines during the
> time peroid December 15, 1996 thru September 17, 1996 that contain LW14077
> piston pin(s) marked with17328 code removed and returned to Textron Lycoming.
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| From: | Bill Baines <bill(at)sfu.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Primer on RV 8 Wing Spars |
>Why would it be a major bummer to have primer sprayed on bare Aluminun?
>I am really getting tired of this primer thing this has been talked
>about over and over again, I don't care what kind or who's primer you
>use you still need to inspect, these airplanes will last longer than
>most of us will with reasonable care and inspections [Balance deleted...]
>
I agree...
I recently had the occasion to work inside a 25 year old Cessna 185
on floats that regularly lands in the salt chuck. It was internally
sprayed with regular old Zinc Chromate about 15 years ago. I was amazed
at the good condition of the airframe, wing attach fittings etc. The
aircraft is private and is well cared for.
Seeing that Cessna raised appreciation for well applied primer. My RV-4
so far is 2 part primer (Super Koropon or Sherwin Williams) on clean and
well prepared aluminum. I played with alodyne/alumiprep, but decided that
it wasn't worth the extra effort -- especially cleanup before paint.
--
Bill Baines bill(at)sfu.ca
Home/Bus: 604-535-2709 | VE7FML
Fax/Job: 604-533-0618 |
Pager: 604-680-9072 |
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| From: | WstcttPrss(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Dimples and engines |
When it comes time (god forbid) to drill out pro-seal or bondo covered rivets
to... let's say... fix a leak in your fuel tank, how are you going to find
them?
I say let your plane wear those smiles and not quite flush rivets with pride!
I just wish I could bondo over all of those scars on my hands from drilling
without gloves.
Jeff Carpenter
Nearing the end of the empennage... RV-6
Altadena, CA
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| From: | csanchez(at)BayNetworks.com (Cheryl Sanchez) |
| Subject: | "B" nut question |
I saw a note, I think from Bob Skinner, about the "B"
nut. Can I use this on the thick(.078") control cable wire?
Thanks
Cheryl Sanchez
csanchez(at)world.std.com
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| From: | Michael Angiulo <mikeang(at)MICROSOFT.com> |
I spoke with Tom this morning and heard that as of today or yesterday
the drawings were all OK'ed for reproduction. Keep holding your
breath!!
>----------
>From:
> prodigy.com!GHLX34A(at)matronics.com[SMTP:prodigy.com!GHLX34A(at)matronics.com]
>Sent: Sunday, October 06, 1996 5:00 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Wing Kits
>
>I talked to Barb at Vans today to check on expected ship date of
>my"partial" (less spar) wing kit, ordered 2 1/2 weeks ago.
>
>She said they're not planning to ship these for 2-3 more weeks
>because they've had to "...rewrite the plans and manuals to cover
>shipment of the partial kits."
>
>Just thought you'd like top know.
>
>George Kilishek
>RV-8 SN 80006.
>Waiting on wing kit.
>
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| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
In July 96 an RV-4 made a forced landing not far from
AEG. The reason was a loss of the front engine seal
caused oil loss to the point the pilot could not see.
The landing was made on a road, the problem fixed, and
the AC flown to AEG. There the mechanics completed
repairs and did a conditional inspection of the AC and
signed it off. The AC is owned by a corporation that
was "taken over" and the owner never came back to pick
it up (or pay the bill).
This is a NICE aircraft from what I can see, built in
1986, with an O320 with 1400hrs SMHO. It has both the
airframe and engine logs with it. It is full IFR.
It has new tires but has been sitting on the ramp since
July and the sun has beat the clear coating off the
wood prop but I believe it would be flyable till you
could recoat the prop.
I have NO interest in this AC except I hate to see it
sit there and deteriorate. The chief mechanic, Tom,
has permission to offer it for sale. He mentioned a
price of $42,500. I wrote down more particulars but
naturally lost them between the hanager and computer.
If I find them again I'll post them. Please do not
contact me on this. Talk to Tom at AEG 505.842.7007.
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
Albuquerque, NM
dboudro(at)nmia.com
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| From: | BARNES_ERIC(at)Tandem.COM |
| Subject: | (CHATTER) RV-8 Jig: Change to original plan? |
And I still think it's funny! For those who don't know Mitch, he has
one of the quickest wits around. My fault for not figuring out how to
add a smilie ;) with the ending parantheses. ;)) ? Looks like a
double chin! That's the thing with e-mail (I remember Elon having the
same problem a few months back) - hard to pass on the humor!
EB
barnes_eric(at)tandem.com
------------ ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT --------
SENT 10-07-96 FROM SMTPGATE @MAILMN (mfaatz(at)sagenttech.com)
Alrighty then, time to clear this little joke up. When Eric referred to
a "pending lawsuit" from me,
it was about a teasing email I sent Eric. In the email, I was
pretending to be a lawyer (retained BY his tailkit) because his TAILKIT
was charging ERIC with gross neglect. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh. Well, it was
funny at the time.
Nothing to do with the RV-8 tailkit itself, delivery times, errors in
plans, etc.
Oh yeah - one more thing - I'm not a lawyer.
Not that there is anything *wrong* with being a lawyer...
--------------------- cut here
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Mitch Faatz mfaatz(at)sagenttech.com San Jose, CA
RV-6AQME N727MF (reserved)
HS, VS, Rudder, and right Elevator completed, working on left Elevator
and trim tab.
>----------
>From: Brian Huffaker[SMTP:utw.com!huffaker(at)matronics.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 1996 12:11 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Jig: Change to original plan?
>
>>On 7 Oct 1996 Tandem.COM!BARNES_ERIC(at)matronics.com wrote:
>>> I'd like to hear comments on this as my jig is going up over the next
>>> two weeks (I have a pending lawsuit from Mitch Faatz, representing my
>>> tailkit. They're claiming GROSS NEGLECT...).
>>>
>> Thats taking it a bit far, don't ya think? I expected this sort of thing
>>with a brand new kit.
>
>> Brian Huffaker, DSWL (huffaker(at)utw.com)
>> President and Founder Friends of P-Chan
>> AW # 467 Biff Tarkiss
>> RV-8 80091 Riviting left elev skin stiffners
>
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| Subject: | Re: rollbar and canopy frame; Skin drag reduction |
<< I have personally know Jim for about 7 or 8 years. His RV-3 is scratch
built
and has many of Hoerner's drag reduction techniques employed. When he had
an old, tired, O-290 installed, he could preform almost as well as an O-320
160HP RV-3 that one of his friends flew. Only rate of clime was less that
the 160
powered -3. Jim is a very knowlegable Engineer that I have a LOT of respect
for.
Gary A. Sobek
GASobek(at)aol.com
RV-6 20480 N-157GS
FAA Powerplant Mechanic
EAA Technical Counselor
Aerospace Electical Engineer
>>
Gary,
Thanks for the plug. Fortunately the Less Drag Products advertising account
has some money left in it, so the check is in the mail. :-)
Jim Ayers
LesDrag(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Skin Overlap Direction |
<< Jim Ayers wrote:
>Did you know that by overlapping the rear skin over the top of the front
>skin, the drag is one third of the "normal" skin overlap?
Jim, Please explain. I would have thought it' the opposite.
(Of course your advice comes just after I've fitted and am riviting the
tail cone.
Finn
finnlass(at)ix.netcom.com
>>
This statement came right out of Hoerner's book Drag. He measured the
relative drag created by a skin overlap on two flat sheets of material. He
found that the step down with the air flow had three times the drag as the
step up with the air flow.
I visuallize this as the following:
The step down with the air flow allows flow separation to occur at the point
where the front sheet ends.
The step up with the air flow forces a positive pressure area at the front
edge of the second (rear) sheet, helping to reattach the air flow.
Now if you step down, and change the angle, of the second sheet (like at the
tail cone skin forward attachment) this would aggrevate the situation
farther.
Or, if you step up, and the aft sheet wraps around to change the angle
(forming a smooth radius), this would help the situation.
(It takes a large number of these types of process changes to get a O-290
powered RV-3 to perform with a IO-320 powered RV-3.)
Jim Ayers
LOM M332A RV-3 N47RV Maroon Marauder
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
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| From: | Scott Gesele <scottg(at)villagenet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Service Bulletin 527A |
>Wow! I'm sure glad we decided on the Superior Millennium cylinders
>when 85W got a new engine 6 mos. ago. I would be a very angry man
>if we had to tear down the top end at 110 hrs.
>
> Chris
>
>
Wow, you have 110 hours and still don't have to tear down the top end? I'm
jealous. My brand spanking new, never been run, $17500 O-320 falls under
this service bulletin. All you guys who recently purchased new engines
better check the serial numbers with Lycoming. Their number is (717)
323-6181. There are O-320 D1A's with serial numbers one above and one below
mine. If Van's purchased a "run" of engines, there will be at least two
other RV builders as "upset" as I am right now. The manufacturing date on
my engine is 5-15-96.
-Scott Gesele N506RV (Taking one step forward and five steps back)
scottg(at)villagenet.com
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| From: | csanchez(at)BayNetworks.com (Cheryl Sanchez) |
| Subject: | Lycoming Service Bulletin |
>
>>Wow! I'm sure glad we decided on the Superior Millennium cylinders
>>when 85W got a new engine 6 mos. ago. I would be a very angry man
>>if we had to tear down the top end at 110 hrs.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>
>Wow, you have 110 hours and still don't have to tear down the top end? I'm
>jealous. My brand spanking new, never been run, $17500 O-320 falls under
>this service bulletin. All you guys who recently purchased new engines
>better check the serial numbers with Lycoming. Their number is (717)
>323-6181. There are O-320 D1A's with serial numbers one above and one below
>mine. If Van's purchased a "run" of engines, there will be at least two
>other RV builders as "upset" as I am right now. The manufacturing date on
>my engine is 5-15-96.
>
>-Scott Gesele N506RV (Taking one step forward and five steps back)
>scottg(at)villagenet.com
>
>
>
I called my mechanic as soon as I saw the first reference to this
service bulletin. He faxed me a page of which includes all the serial
numbers of the O-320-D1A's and O-360-A1A's. My 360 was also built on
5-15-96. I'll have to check it's number when I get home. There are 30
O-360-A1A's listed. There are only 17 O-320-D1A's listed.
Cheryl Sanchez
csanchez(at)world.std.com
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| From: | Chris Ruble <cruble(at)cisco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dimples and engines |
I've found that it helps to not have fingers and other parts of your hands
directly on the other side of the part I'm drilling. It really saves on
Bandades. ;-)
Chris
> I just wish I could bondo over all of those scars on my hands from drilling
> without gloves.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> Nearing the end of the empennage... RV-6
> Altadena, CA
>
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| From: | EBundy2620(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Marhyde Primer |
<< Looking for sources for Marhyde Primer. What are you paying and how about
Hazmat shipping?
>>
Check your yellow pages for "Body shop supplies" or similar. I was able to
find a local source for less $$ than mail order w/hazardous shipping charges.
Ed Bundy
ebundy2620(at)aol.com
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Based on a string with Bob Skinner and John Darby, I have installed
my prop governor on an 360-A1A with the control cable exiting to the
left at 8 o'clock.
Question: What's the best routing through the firewall to the center
consol?
Bob Lovering
Doing slider canopy and engine
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: "B" nut question |
> I saw a note, I think from Bob Skinner, about the "B"
>nut. Can I use this on the thick(.078") control cable wire?
>
> Thanks
>
>Cheryl Sanchez
>csanchez(at)world.std.com
Cheryl, If this is for mixture, yes. For the mixture, the hole for the
wire is .086" and the shaft size (that fits into the mixture control arm of
the carb) is .249". You'll find three different size fittings on page 131
of the 95-96 ACS catalog.
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | JZidek7003(at)aol.com |
I have been on the list for some time but have somehow gotten off. Please but
me back on.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John McMahon <rv6(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 5th point seat belt hook up |
aol.com!McManD(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> Question from 2, RV6 builders. Have purchased Wag Aero 5 point seat belt
> harness system. Does any body have plans, sketches of "crotch" 5th point
> hook up location and possibably brackets required? Thanks, David McManmon
> Cicero, NY.
> McManD(at)aol.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I CALLED VANS ON THIS QUESTION 2 DAYS AGO.
BILL SAID THAT IT WOULD BE COVERED IN THE NEXT RVATOR......
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)CompuServe.COM> |
| Subject: | Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
A piece of e-mail conversation I thought I would share:
-------------------------------------------------------
>More thoughts on reliability. I happen to like the dual-bus architecture
>but I want to play devil's advocate for a moment. Is the main-buss/essential
>-buss really an advantage? Would it not be possible to achieve the same
>thing by providing a bypass for the master contactor and just manually shut
>off the nonessential stuff?
Why add to pilot work-loads? And, would you want to rate the "bypass" system
so that it could carry full system loads? You'd have to assume that it may
be operated at some time before the pilot forgets to turn something off.
The MB/EB system is absolute. Figure out in advance what your essential
loads are and keep 'em small! Have at most two switches to throw. Make it
impossible for the EB alternate feed to backfeed the main bus (that's what
the diode is for).
>You would reduce your parts count and simplify the construction.
At the expense of making the pilot do systems analysis and checklist
driven procedures just when he SHOULD be concentrating on flying
the airplane.
>OK, one possible problem is a short on the main buss. . . . .
Pick any airplane, grab a toolbox and fabricate a short to the
main bus using only materials that currently exist and are in
close enough proximity to main bus or feed wiring to pose a
real threat . . . If you can find an airplane where this
is possible, it's been very badly designed. I've not found one
yet where I can meet the challenge.
>But aren't we protected by having *all* devices protected by switches
>and fuses? And what is to prevent a short from occurring on the
>essential buss?
Individual circuits ARE protected and one must assume that any
one may fall prey to a fault that takes that particular system
down. Essential busses should enjoy the same freedom from
extraneous faults to ground. The fuse-block bus structures
I favor are totally enclosed except for a feed-point stud
on the end which is easy to cover with a boot. . . .
>I was also thinking more about the polyswitch single-board
>switch-buss. Your points are well taken about mechanical
>integrity and security. I know that there is no built-in
>rigidity for the wiring but what about adding an outboard
>tie-bar to take up the mechanical load for the wiring bundle
>thus letting the terminals supply only electrical connections?
Can't visualize what you're describing . . . but it
can't be a lower parts count nor be any more vibration
resistant than fuse-blocks and switches.
>Also, having the switches and protection right at the bus
>reduces the number of wires by almost a factor of 2.
Perhaps, but this architecture demands that the protection
be right behind the switches and makes the switches hard
to change. It also uses electrical contacts of switches
for mechanical support of the etched circuit board . . .
a stress the switches were not designed for. It makes
switches hard to replace and uses premium, behind the panel
volumes to contain equipment that is better off under the
seat!
>I know you say that the avionics master is outmoded these days but
>the major reason people want them is convenience. I hate turning swtiches
>on and off. I want to turn on all the radios with their individual
>switches and then turn the whole shooting match on or off with a single
>switch.
How many radios do you plan to have? The well-stacked panel of
old is no more . . . A nav/com, xpnder and GPS about fills out
the requirments for 95% of the airplanes being built. The Beech
A36 I used to fly had LOTS of switches but most of the airplanes
I rent these days don't even get some of the radios turned on
for the flight . . .
>Heck, if it weren't for the potential problem of transients from the
>starter motor causing problems with the solid-state devices, I would
>just switch them with the master switch.
That's okay with me . . starters never did put out radio-killing
transients. Low voltage during cranking used to kill a radio or two
and over-voltage from alternators has killed a LOT of radios but
I've searched and searched and never found a starter circuit that
could develop transients that would hurt a properly designed radio.
There's lots of solid state stuff that gets tied to the bus with
NO means for shutting it off . . . audio amps, turn coordinators,
voltmeters, electric clocks, fuel flow measurement systems, air
data converters . . . yet the myth persists that a RADIO is somehow
a "spike magnet." Old pilot's tales die hard . . . . .
>The avionics master is a potential point of failure. A wire is
>much more reliable than any switch or breaker.
A wire with one diode in it isn't much less reliable . . that's what
I use between main bus and essential bus and it's backed up anyhow.
>OK, let's consider the possible problems of transients on the bus
>raising havoc with the avionics. How about MOVs for absorbing bus
>transients?
Right on . . . . . . let's design a transient free system instead
of guarding against transients that may or may not be there . . .
>What kinds of transients does a starter motor produce? How much energy
>are we talking here, i.e. voltage, current, and duration given that
>the battery is going to absorb a bunch of that?
Now you're talking like an engineer. If there's something to be
protected from, let's quantify it and either (1) protect against
it or (2) eliminate it.
>Most radios . . . .
No . . . ALL radios
>have some sort of input filtering usually consisting of a moderately-
>sized (10-100 uf) electrolytic cap. If I know the voltage changes
>and rise times I can figure out the inrush current for the radios.
The DO-160C spike test is EASILY passed with a good quality,
10uF capacitor across the line. . . .
>That is one area where I thought that Control Vision had a good idea:
>the avionics master was switched off when the starter was engaged. . . .
It's never a bad idea to have everything off that can be off before
engine cranking . . . it's simply good cockpit hygene.
>The cost is a relay (point of failure, I know). Thought: when I
>release the starter switch and the starter contactor opens, does
>the avionics relay close before the starter contactor opens?
>If so, my radios see the tail end of the transient(s) anyway.
Got no idea . . . it's a mute point anyhow. Before you install
any radio in an airplane, you should call the manufacturer and
ask them if they've tested to DO-160 for all bus voltage conditions.
If the answer is NO, then they've NOT DONE THEIR HOMEWORK. In the
case of battery powered hand-helds and cigar-lighter adapter cords,
they are under no obligation to consider DO-160 so some simple
pre-filtering and transient clamping is in order. However, if anyone
claims to be airplane panel-mount qualified and won't sign up
to DO-160 should not get the pleasure of your business. I've
been building products to that spec for over 25 years!!!! It
ain't hard.
>Oh well, just some mental ramblings. I enjoyed our conversation.
>It is a pleasure to talk with someone who thinks about how things
>really work.
Thank you . . . I enjoyed it too. If we're to avoid being
dragged under the protective arm of the FAA, all of us
had better spend more time learning about how things work.
The "experts" are no longer resident at BPC&M nor the FAA.
The real experts are working away in basements and garages
all over the world. Communication is the key to building
airplanes that are better in every way than anything which
can be purchased . . . long live the internet!
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection
*********************************
* Go ahead, make my day . . . *
* Show me where I'm wrong. *
*********************************
72770.552ompuserve.com
http://aeroelectric.com
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| Subject: | Re: Skin Overlap Direction |
| From: | wstucklen1(at)juno.com (Frederic W Stucklen) |
Jim:
What other means are available for drag reduction on RV's? There are
wing root fairings, laminar flow wheel pants, and cowl/baffle tricks
that help. How about other areas, like the aileron, elevator & rudder
gaps? What can be done for these areas, and how much would it help
reduce drag?
Fred Stucklen RV-6A N925RV
wstucklen1(at)juno.com
>This statement came right out of Hoerner's book Drag. He measured the
>relative drag created by a skin overlap on two flat sheets of
>material. He
>found that the step down with the air flow had three times the drag as
the
>step up with the air flow.
>
>I visuallize this as the following:
>The step down with the air flow allows flow separation to occur at the
point
>where the front sheet ends.
>The step up with the air flow forces a positive pressure area at the
front
>edge of the second (rear) sheet, helping to reattach the air flow.
>
>Now if you step down, and change the angle, of the second sheet (like at
the
>tail cone skin forward attachment) this would aggrevate the situation
>farther.
>
>Or, if you step up, and the aft sheet wraps around to change the angle
>(forming a smooth radius), this would help the situation.
>
>(It takes a large number of these types of process changes to get a
O-290
>powered RV-3 to perform with a IO-320 powered RV-3.)
>
>Jim Ayers
>LOM M332A RV-3 N47RV Maroon Marauder
>LesDrag(at)aol.com
>Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | barnhart(at)a.crl.com (Dave Barnhart) |
| Subject: | Re: shape of rollbar and canopy fram do not match |
Jim:
>The October issue of my newsletter has a very long article and some pictures
>that will be helpful to you. Don't bend that tube just yet. Wait and see if
>you like my way better.
As I understand it, it may be a couple of weeks before I see the October
issue. Can you give me some idea NOW how you handled the issue of the
canopy frame's poor shape?
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
barnhart(at)a.crl.com
rv-6 sn 23744
Fitting the sliding canopy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | barnhart(at)a.crl.com (Dave Barnhart) |
| Subject: | Superior Cylinders |
In response to the discussion about the new Lycoming pistom pin SB, someone
responded "I'm sure glad I bought Superior Millennium cylinders".
(Unfortunately, I deleted the message before the following thought occured
to me)
The Superior cylinder kits do not include a piston pin. I know this for a
fact because not only do the adds say so, I have two Superior Millennium
cylinder kits out in the garage. So whoever it was, if you bought piston
pins with your cylinder kits, you'd better check them.
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
barnhart(at)a.crl.com
rv-6 sn 23744
Fitting the sliding canopy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | J.Ken_Hitchmough(at)magic.ca (J.Ken Hitchmough) |
| Subject: | Re: Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection writes..
>Heck, if it weren't for the potential problem of transients from the
>starter motor causing problems with the solid-state devices, I would
>just switch them with the master switch.
That's okay with me . . starters never did put out radio-killing
transients. Low voltage during cranking used to kill a radio or two
and over-voltage from alternators has killed a LOT of radios but
I've searched and searched and never found a starter circuit that
could develop transients that would hurt a properly designed radio.
There's lots of solid state stuff that gets tied to the bus with
NO means for shutting it off . . . audio amps, turn coordinators,
voltmeters, electric clocks, fuel flow measurement systems, air
data converters . . . yet the myth persists that a RADIO is somehow
a "spike magnet." Old pilot's tales die hard . . . . .
Then why does Bendix SPECIFICALLY state a caution in their KY96/97
manual which reads...
"CAUTION The KY96A should be powered on only after engine startup. This
is a simple precaution which helps protect the solid state circuitry
and extends the operating life of your avionics equipment"
Ken
RV6A Flying. (40 hours now!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Reisdorfer <73101.73(at)CompuServe.COM> |
John,
<| From: | EBundy2620(at)aol.com |
In light of the recent discussion on "B" nuts, I ran across something I
thought others might use.
I found a miniature version of bug nuts at a hobby store. They are similar
to the regular ones except they are lighter and cheaper. (Two of MY favorite
words)
These particular ones are made by Great Planes and were $1.59 for two.
They aren't big enough for mixture or throttle, but they really work for
small "choke" type cables. I used them on my carb heat, cabin heat and
in-flight adjustable oil cooler door.
They use a very simple metal clip that locks the nut onto the arm. It works
very well - I had to destroy one to get it off. The cable is secured by an
allen screw and holds very tightly.
Ed Bundy
ebundy2620(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Louise Coats <lcoats(at)wave.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Email address for Lycoming? |
Does anyone know if there is a Email address for Lycoming?
Louise
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Survey <survey(at)portlands.com> |
| Subject: | Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Greetings RVers,
Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
dont wait!
Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
quality and quantity of on-line information and support
1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
[Yes]
[No]
[I will now!]
2. Are you:
[thinking about building an RV]?
[building an RV]?
[flying an RV you built]?
[flying an RV you bought]?
3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
[plans]
[empennage]
[wing]
[fuselage]
[finishing]
[flying]
[other (please specify)]
4. Which model?
[RV-3]
[RV-4]
[RV-6]
[RV-6A]
[RV-8]
5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
[rv-list]
[word of mouth]
[link from another site]
[web search engine]
[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
[other (please specify)]
6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
[for technical support]?
[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
[to place an order]?
[other (please specify)]?
[I have not used their e-mail address]
7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
[Yes]
[No]
8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
use it?
[Yes]
[No]
9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
it?
[Yes I probably would]
[Yes I might]
[No I wouldnt]
[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
[less than a month]
[more than a month, but less than about six months]
[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
[more than two years ago]
[I have not ordered anything from Vans Aircraft]
11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
it?
[Yes]
[No]
12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
[Yes]
[No]
13. How often do you access the Internet?
[more than once a day]
[once a day]
[every couple of days]
[once a week]
[once a month]
[once a year?]
[other (please specify)]
14. What state (or country) are you located in?
15. What is your name (optional)?
16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
important, everything is considered).
Thanks for your input,
Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JamesCone(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: shape of rollbar and canopy fram do not match |
You wrote: As I understand it, it may be a couple of weeks before I see the
October issue. Can you give me some idea NOW how you handled the issue of
the canopy frame's poor shape?
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
It shouldn't be too long before I get the newsletters out. I called Dan and
he said that he was working on them now and expected to get them out
tomorrow.
The first thing that you need to realize is that the roll bar and the slider
frame are not supposed to be the same shape. The plexiglas is not level at
the point where they meet. The slider frame must be positioned higher than
the roll bar because the plexiglas is still curving upward at this point. It
does not level out until about a foot past the roll bar. Use spacers under
the roller wheel assembly to get the proper angle which you can determine by
looking at the plexiglas from the side and checking the angle at the point
where it will set on the roll bar. The sides, however, need to be flush with
the roll bar where it is vertical. Thus you can see that the shape is not
the same. My frame was a bit too wide and I used cargo straps to pull in in
a bit. Hope this helps until you get the newsletter.
Jim
jamescone(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dann_Parks(at)KTEH.pbs.org (Dann Parks) |
Does anyone have a do's and don't list for the "legal" stuff on building a kit
plane in California. Things like Taxes, Registration, N-Number selection,
Insurance, etc. I'm about to take the plunge and am doing as much homework as
I can. I searched the archives, but did not see a definative listing. Any
suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks
Dann Parks
dann_parks(at)kteh.pbs.org
...ready to dive in...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Terrance Jantzi <tjantzi(at)netrover.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Survey wrote:
>=20
> Greetings RVers,
> Below is a quick survey for Van=92s Aircraft On-line. We would like you
> take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
> some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
> Van=92s Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
> Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
> responses that don=92t apply, or answer it using whatever method you wi=
sh.
> The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
> don=92t wait!
> Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
> quality and quantity of on-line information and support=85
>=20
> 1. Have you visited the Van=92s Aircraft web site (located at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> [Yes]
>=20
> 2. Are you:
>=20
> [building an RV]?
> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
> [finishing]
>
> [RV-6]
>
> 5. How did you hear about the Van=92s Aircraft Web Site?
>
> [web search engine]
>=20
> 6. Have you used Van=92s CompuServe e-mail address
> [I have not used their e-mail address]
>=20
> 7. Do you have a Van=92s Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
> [Yes]
>
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
> use it?
> [Yes]
>=20
>=20
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
> it?
>
> [No I wouldn=92t]
> [Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
>=20
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van=92s Aircraft?
> [less than a month]
>
>=20
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes]
>
>=20
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> [Yes]
>
>=20
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
>
> [once a day]
>=20
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
> Canada
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
>=20
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
> tjantzi(at)netrover.com
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
> to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
>=20
> Thanks for your input,
> Van=92s Aircraft On-line Development Team
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Gottschalk <geneg(at)rattler.gsfc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>Greetings RVers,
>Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
>take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
>some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
>Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
>responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
>dont wait!
>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
>quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>
>
>1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>[I will now!]
YES
>
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]?
>[building an RV]?
>[flying an RV you built]?
>[flying an RV you bought]?
BUILDING RV6a
>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage]
>[wing]
>[fuselage]
>[finishing]
>[flying]
>[other (please specify)]
FUSELAGE
>
>4. Which model?
>[RV-3]
>[RV-4]
>[RV-6]
>[RV-6A]
>[RV-8]
RV6A
>
>5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
>[rv-list]
>[word of mouth]
>[link from another site]
>[web search engine]
>[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
>[other (please specify)]
WEB SEARCH ENGINE
>
>6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
>[for technical support]?
>[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
>[to place an order]?
>[other (please specify)]?
>[I have not used their e-mail address]
TECH SUPPORT AND ACCOUNT INQUIRIES
>
>7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes]
>[No]
YES
>
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>use it?
>[Yes]
>[No]
ABSOLUTELY!
>
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes I probably would]
>[Yes I might]
>[No I wouldnt]
>[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
ABSOLUTELY!
>
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
>[less than a month]
>[more than a month, but less than about six months]
>[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
>[more than two years ago]
>[I have not ordered anything from Vans Aircraft]
MORE THAN A MONTH, BUT LESS THAN SIX MONTHS
>
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes]
>[No]
ABSOLUTELY!
>
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes]
>[No]
YES (I THINK!, STILL WORKING ON A PROBLEM)
>
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day]
>[once a day]
>[every couple of days]
>[once a week]
>[once a month]
>[once a year?]
>[other (please specify)]
ALL DAY EVERY DAY
>
>14. What state (or country) are you located in?
MARYLAND, USA
>
>15. What is your name (optional)?
GENE GOTTSCHALK (BUILDER # 22480)
>
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
GENEG(at)RATTLER.GSFC.NASA.GOV
>
>
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>important, everything is considered).
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE VAN'S PARTICIPATE IN RV-LIST DISCUSSIONS. I THINK IT
WOULD HELP ELIMINATE INACCURATE INFORMATION. I DO REALIZE VAN'S WOULD HAVE
TO DEVELOP A THICK SKIN TOWARDS CRITICISM, BUT BY AND LARGE THE VAST
MAJORITY OF LISTERS ARE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE AND VERY LOYAL TO VAN'S
AIRCRAFT (AS AM I).
I AM PARTICULARITY INTERESTED IN SEEING ACCIDENT REPORTS (I KNOW THIS WOULD
BE PAINFUL, BUT I'D RATHER LEARN FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S MISTAKES RATHER THAN
MINE) AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE REPORTS OF PLANS ERRORS AND REVISIONS,
AND ALTERNATE METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION. ON LINE TECHNICIAN SUPPORT OVER THE
INTERNET WOULD BE GREAT. CURRENTLY I DO THIS THROUGH COMPUSERVE, BUT ITS A
LITTLE CLUGEY. MOST QUESTIONS ARE NOT TIME CRITICAL AND A ONE DAY RESPONSE
IS GOOD. SAVES A LOT OF TELEPHONE TIME AS WELL. ON LINE CATALOG AND
ORDERING (ESPECIALLY USING A FILED CREDIT CARD NUMBER TO AVOID TRANSMIT ION
OF THE INTERNET) WOULD BE VERY USEFUL.
A SCHEDULE OF UPCOMING RV RELATED EVENTS WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL. A CENTRAL
POSTING OF RV OR EAA FLY-INS WOULD BE NICE, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF
WHAT YOUR CONSIDERING.
I HOPE THIS WORKS OUT, IT WILL BE OF GREAT BENEFIT TO ALL BUILDIRS WITH
INTERNET ACCESS!
GENE GOTTSCHALK
>
>Thanks for your input,
>Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Springer <jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
*Snip*
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like=
> to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
> =
> Thanks for your input,
> Van=92s Aircraft On-line Development Team
I don't see who is doing this survay, who is doing it? Who is the =
Development Team?
-- =
Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro, OR
jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)CompuServe.COM> |
| Subject: | Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
>>That's okay with me . . starters never did put out radio-killing
>>transients. Low voltage during cranking used to kill a radio or two
>>and over-voltage from alternators has killed a LOT of radios but
>>I've searched and searched and never found a starter circuit that
>>could develop transients that would hurt a properly designed radio.
>>There's lots of solid state stuff that gets tied to the bus with
>>NO means for shutting it off . . . audio amps, turn coordinators,
>>voltmeters, electric clocks, fuel flow measurement systems, air
>>data converters . . . yet the myth persists that a RADIO is somehow
>>a "spike magnet." Old pilot's tales die hard . . . . .
>Then why does Bendix SPECIFICALLY state a caution in their KY96/97
>manual which reads...
>"CAUTION The KY96A should be powered on only after engine startup. This
>is a simple precaution which helps protect the solid state circuitry
>and extends the operating life of your avionics equipment"
Because the guy that wrote the book knows nothing of aircraft
electrical systems -or- he's learned very little about improvements
in his own products over the past 25 years. When in doubt about
pink elephant invasion, buy pink elephant repellant. Hmmmm . . .
KY96A . . . how old a radio is that? It may be a grandfathered
design that may have benefitted from such cautions (germanium
transistors - now surely replaced by silcon). In any case,
there's no modern (less than 20 year old design) radio that should
have any concerns about what the airplane bus can throw at it.
For 14 volt airplanes it includes any manner of low voltage,
20 volt surges for 1 second, 40 volt spikes for tens of milliseconds,
300 volt spikes for 100 microseconds, a.c. ripple voltages of
1.5 volts peak-to-peak, the list goes on. It's such a trivial
task to design for these requirements most folk don't even give
it much thought any more. Hence you never see admonitions from
hundreds of manufactures of solid state devices to, "turn it off
while starting the engine." Consider the modern automobile and
the amount of electronices in place . . . The ACCessory line
from the ignition switch does indeed automatically disconnnect
certain items while cranking . . . like A/C blowers and rear
window defog, etc. The concern is for minimizing loads on battery,
not protecting the silicon . . . .
Ken
RV6A Flying. (40 hours now!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Gottschalk <geneg(at)rattler.gsfc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Yea, yea, yea, I know I sent it to the wrong place. Sorry.
-Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
| From: | wstucklen1(at)juno.com (Frederic W Stucklen) |
writes:
>1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes] X
>[No]
>[I will now!]
>
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]?
>[building an RV]?
>[flying an RV you built]? X
>[flying an RV you bought]?
>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage]
>[wing]
>[fuselage]
>[finishing]
>[flying]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>4. Which model?
>[RV-3]
>[RV-4]
>[RV-6]
>[RV-6A] X
>[RV-8]
>
>5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
>[rv-list] X
>[word of mouth]
>[link from another site]
>[web search engine]
>[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
>[for technical support]?
>[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
>[to place an order]?
>[other (please specify)]?
>[I have not used their e-mail address] X
>
>7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes] X
>[No]
>
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>use it?
>[Yes] X
>[No]
>
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes I probably would] X
>[Yes I might]
>[No I wouldnt]
>[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
>
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
>[less than a month]
>[more than a month, but less than about six months] X
>[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
>[more than two years ago]
>[I have not ordered anything from Vans Aircraft]
>
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>
>it?
>[Yes] X
>[No]
>
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes] X
>[No]
>
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day] X
>[once a day]
>[every couple of days]
>[once a week]
>[once a month]
>[once a year?]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>14. What state (or country) are you located in? CT
>
>15. What is your name (optional)? F.W.STUCKLEN
>
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)? wstucklen1(at)juno.com
>
>
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>important, everything is considered).
How about CURRENT pricing and availability of ALL items. This should
include kits as well as items in the optional parts catalog. Pricing
information is inportant, as we all are trying to get the lowest prices
items as we build our aircraft.
>Thanks for your input,
>Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Timothy J. Etherington" <tjetheri(at)cca.rockwell.com> |
Bob,
Do you sell headset/intercom type plugs or know of a good source. Also, some
plugs like the u-172/u and u-172/u types. These are the ones on mikes for
headsets and military helmets. I am trying to make an adapter for a helmet with
a commercial mike.
Thanks.
Tim Etherington
tjetheri(at)cca.rockwell.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | OrndorffG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
<< RV-List: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line
Date: 96-10-09 03:36:29 EDT
From: portlands.com!survey(at)matronics.com (Survey)
Sender: owner-rv-list(at)matronics.com
Reply-to: rv-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Greetings RVers,
Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
dont wait!
Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
quality and quantity of on-line information and support
1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
[No]
2. Are you:
[thinking about building an RV]?yes
[building an RV]?yes
[flying an RV you built]?yes
[flying an RV you bought]?no
3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
[plans]
[empennage]
[wing]*****
[fuselage]
[finishing]
[flying]*****
[other (please specify)]
4. Which model?
[RV-3]
[RV-4]
[RV-6]
[RV-6A]****
[RV-8]*****
5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
[rv-list]******
[word of mouth]
[link from another site]
[web search engine]
[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
[other (please specify)]
6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
[for technical support]?yes
[to ask a question aside from technical support]?yes
[to place an order]?yes
[other (please specify)]?
[I have not used their e-mail address]
7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
[Yes]
8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
use it?
[Yes]
9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
it?
[Yes I probably would] yes
[Yes I might]
[No I wouldnt]
[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
[less than a month]
[]
11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
it?
[Yes]
12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
[Yes]
[
13. How often do you access the Internet?
[
[once a day]
[
[
14. What state (or country) are you located in? Texas
15. What is your name (optional)?George Orndorff
16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?Orndorffg(at)aol.com
Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
important, everything is considered).
Thanks for your input,
Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sierchio(at)groucho.boi.noaa.gov |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>
> Greetings RVers,
> Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
> take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
> some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
> Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
> Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
> responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
> The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
> dont wait!
> Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
> quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>
>
> 1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> Yes
>
> 2. Are you:
> building an RV]?
>
> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
> [empennage]
>
> 4. Which model?
> [RV-6] or
> [RV-6A]
Haven't decided yet.
>
> 5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
> [rv-list]
>
> 6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
> [to ask a question aside from technical support]?
>
> 7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
> [Yes]
>
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
> use it?
> [Yes]
>
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes I probably would] Assuming necessary security steps were
incorporated.
>
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
> [more than a month, but less than about six months]
>
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes]
>
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> [Yes]
>
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
> [more than once a day]
>
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
> Idaho
>
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
> Mike Sierchio
>
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
> sierchio(at)groucho.boi.noaa.gov
>
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
> to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
>
> When someone finds a error or area of confusion with the plans or
instructions, it would be nice if they were archived on the
homepage. Also items of interest such as Lycoming ADs.
>
> Thanks for your input,
> Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
--
====================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Horace W Weeks <74664.2105(at)CompuServe.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
1. no
2. Building an RV
3. Starting fuselage
4. RV-6
5. RV-List
6. No
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. 2 months ago
11. yes
12. yes
13. More than once a day
14. Ohio (Bellbrook)
15. Horace (Ace) Weeks
16. 74664,2105(at)comp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeffery Lorimor <x1lorimo(at)exnet.iastate.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>Greetings RVers,
>Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
>take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
>some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
>Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
>responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
>dont wait!
>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
>quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>
>
>1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes]
>2. Are you:
>[building an RV]?
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[fuselage]
>4. Which model?
>[RV-6]
>5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
>[rv-list]
>6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
>[other (please specify)]?
Just looked at it while poking around
>7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes]
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>use it?
>[Yes]
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes I probably would]
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
>[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>it?
[No]
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes]
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day]
>14. What state (or country) are you located in?
>Iowa
>15. What is your name (optional)?
>Jeffery Lorimr
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
>x1lorimo(at)exnet.iastate.edu
>
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>important, everything is considered).
>
The primary benefit for me would be to be able to order anytime, quickly &
easily. E-mail contact for questions about not only technical matters, but
also pricing, exchange policies and items, etc. is very beneficial. Jeff
>Thanks for your input,
>Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
--***********************
Jeffery Lorimor
Extension Animal Waste Management Specialist
203 Davidson Hall, ISU
Ames, IA 50011
E-mail x1lorimo(at)exnet.iastate.edu
check our server at www.ae.iastate.edu
Phone 515/294-9806
FAX 515/294-9973
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Murphy, Jr." <murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us> |
| Subject: | Re: requested bio |
John, welcome to the list. Everyone knows of course, that Navy piolots are
called aviators but Coast Guard pilots are called Studs!
>John,
>
><<
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Gesele <scottg(at)villagenet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey |
Do not send responses to the RV list. The original message indicates the
replies should go to support(at)portlands.com.
>>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
>>responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
>>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
>>dont wait!
>>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
>>quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Gesele <scottg(at)villagenet.com> |
>Based on a string with Bob Skinner and John Darby, I have installed
>my prop governor on an 360-A1A with the control cable exiting to the
>left at 8 o'clock.
>Question: What's the best routing through the firewall to the center
>consol?
>
>Bob Lovering
>Doing slider canopy and engine
>
>
>
On my -6A, I just installed the prop cable. What worked for me was as follows:
Starting at the lower center of the instrument panel, it enters the engine
compartment at the top left of the firewall (above the top aluminum angle on
the firewall). It then forms a loop as it goes into the bracket on the
governor. My governor also has the bracket with the cable exiting to the
left side. The prop cable is 5' long. My other two cables were 4'.
Hope this helps.
Scott Gesele N506RV (still crying over that service bulletin on my new O-320)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
>In light of the recent discussion on "B" nuts, I ran across something I
>thought others might use.
>
>I found a miniature version of bug nuts at a hobby store. They are similar
>to the regular ones except they are lighter and cheaper. (Two of MY favorite
>words)
>
>These particular ones are made by Great Planes and were $1.59 for two.
>
>They aren't big enough for mixture or throttle, but they really work for
>small "choke" type cables. I used them on my carb heat, cabin heat and
>in-flight adjustable oil cooler door.
>
>They use a very simple metal clip that locks the nut onto the arm. It works
>very well - I had to destroy one to get it off. The cable is secured by an
>allen screw and holds very tightly.
>
>Ed Bundy
>ebundy2620(at)aol.com
Good idea, Ed, for non-critical applications such as you listed. The oil
door may or may not be critical. On my first attempt, the bracket on the
oil cooler door to which the cable attached, broke. I thought that incoming
air would force the door open in case of a failure. I was wrong. I now
have a spring attached to fully open the door in case of another failure. I
made the new attach angle out of .063" so hopefully it won't fail. My
cooler is mounted on the left front, horizontal baffle. We're coming into
the season when the door will spend all of it's time closed:(
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don McNamara <mcnamara(at)sbt.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Important Survey |
For listers responding to the "Important Survey"--
Please note that the responses are requested to be sent to
support(at)portlands.com, NOT the RV List. Having seen how some listers are
pretty touchy about what kinds of drivel are clogging up the archives
(and rightly so, I suppose), I thought I'd point that out.
That's all.
--Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | apociwau(at)direct.ca (august pociwauschek) |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
> 1. Have you visited the Van's Aircraft web site (located at
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>> [Yes]
>>
>> 2. Are you:
>> yes
>> [building an RV]?
>
>> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>Empennage and Wings complete starting fuselage
>
>
>>
>> [RV-6]
>>
>> 5. How did you hear about the Van's Aircraft Web Site?
>>
>> [web search engine]
>>
>> 6. Have you used Van's CompuServe e-mail address
>
>> [I have not used their e-mail address]
>>
>> 7. Do you have a Van's Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>> [Yes]
>>
>> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>> use it?
>> [Yes]
>>
>>
>> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>> it?
>>yes
>>
>> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van's Aircraft?
>> [less than a month]
>>
>>
>> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>> it?
>> [Yes]
>>
>>
>> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>> [Yes]
>>
>>
>> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
>>
>> [once a day]
>>
>> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
>> Canada
>> 15. What is your name (optional)?
>> August Pociwauschek
>> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
>>apociwau(at)direct.ca
>> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>> to see Van's Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>> important, everything is considered).
>>
>> Thanks for your input,
>> Van's Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patrick Kelley <patk(at)mail.ic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
> >Greetings RVers,
> >Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
> >take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
> >some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
> >Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
> >Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
> >responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
> >The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
> >dont wait!
> >Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
> >quality and quantity of on-line information and support
Whoa! Guys! RTFM! DON'T respond to RV-list. Especially not with the
entire survey. Four (at the time I write this) of you have done this.
I'm not intending to be harsh, though I'm too lazy to write out long
gentle prose explaining that your responses not only don't interest me
(others may differ) but they also are not going to the intended
recipient.
Reply your surveys to support(at)portlands.com to be sure they are tallied
properly. And my apologies, I am not net-police - I just think you
failed to note the return address in the instructions.
PatK - RV-6A - Still fiddling with the left wing controls.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Allan W. Mojzisik" <prober(at)iwaynet.net> |
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They use a very simple metal clip that locks the nut onto the arm. It works
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allen screw and holds very tightly.
Ed Bundy
ebundy2620(at)aol.com
Ed,
Do you use any lock-tite or similar substance on the allen screws?
Al prober@iwaynet
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John B. Abell" <jbabell(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Survey wrote:
> 1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> [Yes]
> 2. Are you:
> [building an RV]?
> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
> [other (please specify)] I've completed the empennage, fuselage, and most of
the finishing kit. I'm working on the wings.
> 4. Which model?
> [RV-6A]
> 5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
> [link from another site]
> 6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
> [I have not used their e-mail address]
> 7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
> [Yes]
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
> use it?
> [Yes]
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes I might]
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
> [more than a month, but less than about six months]
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes]
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> [Yes]
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
> [more than once a day]
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
> California
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
> John B. Abell
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
> jbabell(at)ix.netcom.com
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
> to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
I'd like to see Van's participate in the rv-list. I'd like to see news
items on your web site without having to wait for the RVator, e.g., how
did things work out with the wing strength testing you did or are doing?
I'd like to be able to ask people at Van's questions via e-mail about the
decisions I face as a builder, e.g., my avionics package and what things
are compatible with what other things and how I can put a package
together that will satisfy my needs at the least cost. Doing these
things by telephone ties people up and you are forced to deal with
builders one at a time. If several builders ask you the same questions
you could have a FAQ section on your web page. I'd like to see news of
new developments. I'd like to see your comments on what others have to
say on the rv-list. In fact, why not start an "rv-list" of your own that
would enable you to communicate with many builders and so that we could
see your responses to others' inquiries that you felt had general
application? There are all kinds of possibilities. What's important,
probably, is just to get started and work it out.
Good luck.
>
> Thanks for your input,
> Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BChat64832(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
1. I WILL NOW
2.
BUILDING -------- PLANS#23962
3. WING
4. RV6-A
5. RV-LIST
6. HAVE NOT USED YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS
7. YES
8. PROBABLY WOULD , BUT THIS WOULD NOT BE A BIG ADVANTAGE
9. SAME AS ABOVE
10.MORE THAN, LESS THAN SIX MONTHS
11.YES
12.YES.
13.MORE THAN ONCE A DAY
14.SOUTH CAROLINA----LEXINGTON,OUTSIDE OF COLUMBIA
15.BOB CHATHAM
16.BCHAT64832(at)AOL.COM
SERVICE HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONAL IN THE PAST
I CAN IMAGINETHE WORKLOAD AND DISRUPTION OF WORK SCHEDULES
DUE TO TELEPHONE SUPPORT REQUIREMENTS---------IF ONLINE TECHNICAL
SUPPORT WAS PROVIDED THIS WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR YOUR
BUILDERS AND SHOULD REDUCE PRESSURE ON YOUR STAFF
BEST REGARDS,
BOB CHATHAM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | twood <woodfam(at)aloha.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>Greetings RVers,
>Below is a quick survey for Van=92s Aircraft On-line. We would like you=20
>take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out=20
>some basic information. The information will be used to help develop=20
>Van=92s Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the=20
>responses that don=92t apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so=20
>don=92t wait!
>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the=20
>quality and quantity of on-line information and support=85
>
>
>1. Have you visited the Van=92s Aircraft web site (located at=20
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>[I will now!]
>
Yes
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]?
>[building an RV]?
>[flying an RV you built]?
>[flying an RV you bought]?
Yes>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage]
>[wing]
>[fuselage]
>[finishing]
>[flying]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>4. Which model?
>[RV-3]
>[RV-4]
>[RV-6]
>[RV-6A]
>[RV-8]
>
RV6A but I hear the wing on the -8 is far superior, any plans for an updated
-6A?
>5. How did you hear about the Van=92s Aircraft Web Site?
>[rv-list]
>[word of mouth]
>[link from another site]
>[web search engine]
>[Van=92s Aircraft magazine advertisement]
>[other (please specify)]
>
Web search
>6. Have you used Van=92s CompuServe e-mail address
>[for technical support]?
>[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
>[to place an order]?
>[other (please specify)]?
>[I have not used their e-mail address]
>
No
>7. Do you have a Van=92s Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
No
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you=20
>use it?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use=20
>it?
>[Yes I probably would]
>[Yes I might]
>[No I wouldn=92t]
>[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
>
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van=92s Aircraft?
>[less than a month]
>[more than a month, but less than about six months]
>[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
>[more than two years ago]
>[I have not ordered anything from Van=92s Aircraft]
>
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use=20
>it?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
no
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day]
>[once a day]
>[every couple of days]
>[once a week]
>[once a month]
>[once a year?]
>[other (please specify)]
>
every day
>14. What state (or country) are you located in?
>
HI
>15. What is your name (optional)?
>
Terray Wood
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
>
>
woodfam(at)aloha.com
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like=20
>to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is=20
>important, everything is considered).
>
>Thanks for your input,
>Van=92s Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Survey <survey(at)portlands.com> |
| Subject: | Important Survey...Correction |
Greetings again,
A minor mistake was made in the instructions for the survey sent out on
Tuesday for Van's Aircraft On-line.
Please send the responses to survey(at)portlands.com (as opposed to
support(at)portlands.com or the rv-list)
If you already sent it in _DO NOT_ resend it. We still received it, it
just went into another folder.
Please help out by participating in the survey, it should only take a
minute or two -- wouldn't 500 responses send a strong message?
Question posted to the rv-list Wednesday morning...
> I don't see who is doing this survay, who is doing it? Who is the
> Development Team?
> --
> Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro
> jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com
The Van's Aircraft On-line Development team is small group (three) of
people (outside of Van's Aircraft, Inc.) redesigning Van's Aircraft's
website originally constructed in August 1995 by Jeremy Benedict. the
names of the current team members are being withheld (for fear of
harrassment about timelines, deadlines, etc. :-) )
And if you missed the survey, here it is again:
Greetings RVers,
Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
Please respond to survey(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
dont wait!
Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
quality and quantity of on-line information and support
1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
[Yes]
[No]
[I will now!]
2. Are you:
[thinking about building an RV]?
[building an RV]?
[flying an RV you built]?
[flying an RV you bought]?
3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
[plans]
[empennage]
[wing]
[fuselage]
[finishing]
[flying]
[other (please specify)]
4. Which model?
[RV-3]
[RV-4]
[RV-6]
[RV-6A]
[RV-8]
5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
[rv-list]
[word of mouth]
[link from another site]
[web search engine]
[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
[other (please specify)]
6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
[for technical support]?
[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
[to place an order]?
[other (please specify)]?
[I have not used their e-mail address]
7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
[Yes]
[No]
8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
use it?
[Yes]
[No]
9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
it?
[Yes I probably would]
[Yes I might]
[No I wouldnt]
[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
[less than a month]
[more than a month, but less than about six months]
[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
[more than two years ago]
[I have not ordered anything from Vans Aircraft]
11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
it?
[Yes]
[No]
12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
[Yes]
[No]
13. How often do you access the Internet?
[more than once a day]
[once a day]
[every couple of days]
[once a week]
[once a month]
[once a year?]
[other (please specify)]
14. What state (or country) are you located in?
15. What is your name (optional)?
16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
important, everything is considered).
Thanks for your input,
Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | david_fried(at)smtpgwy.dehavilland.ca |
| Subject: | Van's Aircraft Survey |
=20
=20
Please send the survey responses to support(at)portlands.com as reque=
sted=20
in the text of the request. Let's not have hundreds of these messa=
ges=20
clogging our mail systems.
=20
Dave
______________________________ Reply Separator ________________________=
_________
Subject: Re: RV-List: Important Survey =3D Van's Aircraft On-line
Date: 10/9/96 12:08 PM
=20
Greetings RVers,
Below is a quick survey for Van=92s Aircraft On-line. We would like yo=
u=20
take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out=20
some basic information. The information will be used to help develop=20
Van=92s Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the=20
responses that don=92t apply, or answer it using whatever method you w=
ish.=20
The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so=
=20
don=92t wait!
Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the=
=20
quality and quantity of on-line information and support=85
=20
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bcos(at)ix.netcom.com (William Costello ) |
| Subject: | *** Van's Aircraft Online Survey *** |
Hi folks,
I think it is important to realize that the survey is NOT supposed to
be returned to the rv-list. In the directions at the top, they ask you
to send your survey answers to:
survey(at)portlands.com
The way I did it was to delete all the wrong answers and forward the
message to the above address.
Best regards,
Bill Costello
bcos(at)ix.netcom.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Ruble <cruble(at)cisco.com> |
There is no need to send your response to the Van's survey to the list.
Please reply to the sender only ---> survey(at)portlands.com
It's a spare the bandwidth day
Chris
cruble(at)cisco.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>[I will now!] xxx
>
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]?
>[building an RV]? xxx
>[flying an RV you built]?
>[flying an RV you bought]?
>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage]
>[wing]
>[fuselage]
>[finishing] xxx
>[flying]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>4. Which model?
>[RV-3]
>[RV-4]
>[RV-6]
>[RV-6A] xxx
>[RV-8]
>
>5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
>[rv-list] xxx
>[word of mouth]
>[link from another site]
>[web search engine]
>[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
>[for technical support]?
>[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
>[to place an order]?
>[other (please specify)]?
>[I have not used their e-mail address] xxx
>
>7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes] xxx
>[No]
>
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>use it?
>[Yes]
>[No] xxx
>
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes I probably would]
>[Yes I might] xxx
>[No I wouldnt]
>[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
>
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
>[less than a month]
>[more than a month, but less than about six months] xxx
>[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
>[more than two years ago]
>[I have not ordered anything from Vans Aircraft]
>
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes] xxx
>[No]
>
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes] xxx
>[No]
>
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day]
>[once a day] xxx
>[every couple of days]
>[once a week]
>[once a month]
>[once a year?]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>14. What state (or country) are you located in? New Mexico
>
>15. What is your name (optional)? Andy Gold
>
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)? PFPA(at)al.com
>
>
>Thanks for your input,
>Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | willsm(at)manta.nosc.mil (Mike Wills) |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
I agree with Jerry. I dont want to come accross as paranoid but if this
"survey team" wont identify themselves or their affiliation with Vans
(assuming there is one) then I wont participate. The days of electronic junk
mail are already here!!
Mike Wills
willsm(at)manta.nosc.mil
>*Snip*
>
>> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>> to see Van's Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>> important, everything is considered).
>>
>> Thanks for your input,
>> Van's Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>I don't see who is doing this survay, who is doing it? Who is the
>Development Team?
>--
>Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro, OR
>jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Ruble <cruble(at)cisco.com> |
| Subject: | More PLEASE READ |
OK, see what you get when you send your response to the sender insted
of the rv-list...a nice thankyou from their mailer program. Unless
their mailer program is reading the rv-list (not likely), your survey
reply went into the bit bucket...unless you count the 500+ copies that
were deleted by listers all over the world as delivered.
This is a very good example of why the reply field should be set to
the original sender, *not* the rv-list.
Chris - Off his soap box...for now.
cruble(at)cisco.com
----- Begin Included Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | survey(at)portlands.com (Survey) |
NNTP-Posting-Host: equinox.gen.nz
Thank you for participating in the Van's Aircraft On-line survey.
You input is greatly appreciated!!!
If you have any questions, please address them to question(at)portlands.com
Thanks again,
Van's Aircraft On-line Development Team
----- End Included Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of the author,
____"_____: and not neccesarily those of WNA and/or it's employees.
| From: | wbgroup(at)cis.co.za (bd hitchings @ waks & brady) |
Does anybody have comparitive performance data for the Lycoming 0-320 versus
the 0-360 for an RV-6A?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | halk(at)sybase.com (Hal Kempthorne) |
Hi Dann,
Are you an airplane owner now? I am & can provide some of this for certificated
aircraft - most makes no diff.
Hal Kempthorne
Debonair N6134V
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
Don't you just love it when people, who should know better, send out a
survey with the reply to address pointing back to the list. Hewlett
Packard's Developers Group just did the same thing. Should this be in the
FAQ?
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | halk(at)sybase.com (Hal Kempthorne) |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
> 1. Have you visited the Van=92s Aircraft web site (located at=20
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> [Yes]
>=20
> 2. Are you:
> [thinking about building an RV]?
>=20
> 4. Which model?
> [RV-6A]
>=20
> 5. How did you hear about the Van=92s Aircraft Web Site?
> [link from another site]
>=20
> 6. Have you used Van=92s CompuServe e-mail address
> [I have not used their e-mail address]
>=20
> 7. Do you have a Van=92s Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) =
catalog?
> []
> [No]
>=20
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you =
=20
> use it?
> [Yes]
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use=20
> it?
> [Yes I probably would]
>=20
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van=92s =
Aircraft?
> [less than a month]
Literature - today I ordered the Video etc package
>=20
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use =
=20
> it?
> [Yes]
>
>=20
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> [No]
>=20
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
> [more than once a day]
>=20
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in? USA
>=20
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
Hal Kempthorne
>=20
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
halk(at)sybase.com=20
>=20
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would =
like=20
> to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is=20
> important, everything is considered).
>=20
What I would like to see of Van's generally is more of the =
"EXPERIMENTER" in=20
their experimental aircraft. I think old Dickie (hey - I met him at OSH =
this=20
summer!) is getting old and abandoning his experimental nature that got =
him=20
where he is. I want to see more of the experimenter relative to =
engines. =20
Lycomings are too expensive, fuelish and unreliable.
The Web site is very good!!
Hal Kempthorne
Senior Alliance Engineer
Sybase, Inc. - (The sixth largest software company in the world.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle (Matt G. Dralle 510-606-1001) |
| Subject: | Surveys and Proper Technique... |
>--------------
>Don't you just love it when people, who should know better, send out a
>survey with the reply to address pointing back to the list. Hewlett
>Packard's Developers Group just did the same thing. Should this be in the
>FAQ?
>
>Steve
>--------------
Well, the fact that the return address is the List is not their fault. This is
how I have setup the List to work. There have been long, drawn out discussions
in the past on the List about the pros and cons of operating the List in this
manner and it has been decided that it works the best.
I think that perhaps the best way to handle this is to make it very clear in
the message posted that the reader is to respond to a "special address" rather
than the List. Case in point; I have conducted at least 3 'surveys' on the
RV and Zenith lists. In each I have made it very clear where to send the
response to. Lots of 'white space' around the address is *very* important
to make sure that it is understood. For example, here's basically how I've
done it in the past:
"'...a bunch of text describing the survey...' Please respond to the following
email address only:
"special-email-address(at)matronics.com"
Please do not respond to the List for this survey. I will summerize the
results in a few weeks."
This approch has worked *very* well for me. I have received almost 30
responses to "info(at)matronics.com" regarding my query about the RV/Zenith List
CDROM - and not a single response to the List (maybe one, I think, but it
seems like it was a 'cross-post' to both addresses).
The bottom line is that if you are going to do a survey on the List, and
I think that is perfectly acceptable, *make sure* that people can't miss
the fact that they are to respond to a special address and not the List.
'nuff said. "...and now, back to our regularly scheduled broadcast of RV
discussion..."
Matt Dralle
RV-List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
510-606-1001 Voice | 510-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>Survey wrote:
>>=20
>> Greetings RVers,
>> Below is a quick survey for Van=92s Aircraft On-line. We would like you
>> take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
>> some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
>> Van=92s Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>> Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
>> responses that don=92t apply, or answer it using whatever method you=
wish.
>> The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
>> don=92t wait!
>> Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
>> quality and quantity of on-line information and support=85
>>=20
>> 1. Have you visited the Van=92s Aircraft web site (located at
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>> Yes
>>=20
>> 2. Are you:
>>=20
>> Will be ordering a rv-6a within 2 weeks
>
>> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>
>> [finishing]
>
>>
>> [RV-6]
>>
>> 5. How did you hear about the Van=92s Aircraft Web Site?
>>>>
web search engine
=20
>> 6. Have you used Van=92s CompuServe e-mail address
>
>> Yes
>>=20
>> 7. Do you have a Van=92s Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>> Yes
>>
>> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>> use it?
>> Yes
>>=20
>>=20
>> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>> it?
>>
>> yes=20
>> >>=20
>> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van=92s Aircraft?
>> less than a month
>>
>>=20
>> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>> it?
>> Yes
>>
>>=20
>> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>> Yes
>>
>>=20
>> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
>>
>> three times/day
>>=20
>> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
>> Florida
>> 15. What is your name (optional)?
>> John W. Lucas
>> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
>> lhlucas(at)ibm.net
>> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>> to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>> important, everything is considered).
>>=20
>> soon being a first time builder, how to items would be of the most use to=
me
Thanks for your input,
>> Van=92s Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RV6junkie(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Can't you follow directions |
I sure hope that the builders who responded to Van's survey via the RV-list
read their plans and instructions better than their E-mail.
Gary Corde
RV-6 N211GC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
| Subject: | Question about Radios |
Last time I took a trip I was given a frequency by Denver
approach I couldn't accept 121.455. My new K125 can only
accept 123.45 or 123.46. Are we going to need to buy
new radios again? Have I missed something here?
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
Albuquerque, NM
dboudro(at)nmia.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
| From: | wstucklen1(at)juno.com (Frederic W Stucklen) |
Listers:
Looks to me that you whom are replying to this survey by sending your
reply to the list are IN ERROR..... The survey specifically says "Please
respond to support(at)portlands.com"............ I know, I did the same
thing.... Lets not let our responces go to waste....
Fred Stucklen RV-6A N925RV
wstucklen1(at)juno.com
writes:
>>Greetings RVers,
>>Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
>>take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
>>some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
>>Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
>>responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you
wish.
>>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
>>dont wait!
>>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
>>quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WAnder5240(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: QuickBuild Corrosion |
call Vans and get an update on the WHOLE STORY.
RV 6 Wally Anderson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Chandler" <mauser(at)Claris.COM> |
> Don't you just love it when people, who should know better, send out
> a survey with the reply to address pointing back to the list.
> Hewlett Packard's Developers Group just did the same thing. Should this
> be in the FAQ?
Well, you don't really have a choice. Knowing Better is not an issue. The
list software automatically sets the reply-to address. And don't suggest we
change that! We had a BIG discussion about that earlier this year.
--
(Sorry Randall, no more room for the Yakko Warner quote)
Richard Chandler
RV-6: Garage bought, saving for tools and tail kit (Christmas?).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ernstrm(at)alpha.hendrix.edu (Richard Ernst) |
| Subject: | aileron/flap interference |
As I continue to fit the ailerons and flaps to the wings of my -6A, I find
a sort of interference not (aparently) mentioned in any archived postings.
The inboard leading edge of the flaps (i.e., the sheet metal overhang that
contacts the wing top skin) touches the aileron push-pull tube when the
flaps are fully retracted. This is clearly unacceptable. I can either
trim the flap, or move the push-pull tube rod end outboard by switching the
spacer and the washer that hold the rod end in position. Has anyone had
this problem and chosen one or the other solutions?
My other aileron interference issue concerns contact between the outboard
aileron mount (the part that is riveted to the wing) and the bottom bolt
that attaches the outboard aileron bracket to the aileron. This contact
limits the up aileron travel. The solution I came up with, and that I
found mentioned once or twice in the archives, is to grind a depression in
the aileron mount to accept the bolt. Is this what most people have done?
If the aileron bracket is ground to accept the bolt, the amount of grinding
determines the amount of up travel on the aileron. Are people using this
to limit travel, or are they using the extra piece riveted to the inboard
mount (as in the plans)? One problem I will have with the inboard-mounted
aileron stop is that the gap between my mount and the aileron bracket is a
bit more than in the plans; perhaps a piece of aluminum angle rather than
1/8" plate (as in the plans) would be more suitable.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard M. Ernst ernstrm(at)alpha.hendrix.edu
Department of Physics office: (501) 450-3808
Hendrix College
1600 Washington Ave.
Conway, AR 72032-3080
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dann_Parks(at)KTEH.pbs.org (Dann Parks) |
| Subject: | don't "reply" to survey |
Please don't "reply" to the RV survey. send it to -- support(at)portlands.com --
as they requested. A "reply" goes to ALL of our mailboxes!
Thanks
Dann Parks
dann_parks(at)kteh.pbs.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy McCallister <rmccalli(at)runet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>Greetings RVers,
>Below is a quick survey for Van=92s Aircraft On-line. We would like you=20
>take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out=20
>some basic information. The information will be used to help develop=20
>Van=92s Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the=20
>responses that don=92t apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so=20
>don=92t wait!
>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the=20
>quality and quantity of on-line information and support=85
>
>
>1. Have you visited the Van=92s Aircraft web site (located at=20
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes]
>
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]?
>[building an RV]?
>[flying an RV you built]?
>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage]
>4. Which model?
>[RV-6]
>5. How did you hear about the Van=92s Aircraft Web Site?
>[rv-list]
>[web search engine]
>6. Have you used Van=92s CompuServe e-mail address
>[for technical support]?
>[I have not used their e-mail address]
>
>7. Do you have a Van=92s Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes]
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you=20
>use it?
>[Yes]
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use=20
>it?
>[Yes I might]
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van=92s Aircraft?
>[more than a month, but less than about six months]
>
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use=20
>it?
>[Yes]
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes]
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day]
>[once a day]
>14. What state (or country) are you located in? Virginny
>
>15. What is your name (optional)? Randy McCallister
>
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)? rmccalli(at)runet.edu
>
>
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like=20
>to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is=20
>important, everything is considered).
USE the Web site. It is a great avenue of information.
>Thanks for your input,
>Van=92s Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Ruble <cruble(at)cisco.com> |
The reply field has nothing to do with the survey sender. It has
everything to do with the way people on this list voted a few months
ago. Anybody that voted "old-way" voted for the list to operate
like this..
Chris
>
> Don't you just love it when people, who should know better, send out a
> survey with the reply to address pointing back to the list. Hewlett
> Packard's Developers Group just did the same thing. Should this be in the
> FAQ?
>
> Steve
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dr John Cocker <jcocker(at)medhumor.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devises. |
Bob, thanks for the idea of a spring to open the oil cooler door in case of
problems.
While on the subject, has anyone worked out a way of putting springs on the
throttle and mixture control arms, so that they will go to 'full open' and
'full rich' respectively, if there is a problem with the cable ?
John (Just on the finishing touches)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mitch Faatz <mfaatz(at)sagenttech.com> |
| Subject: | QuickBuild Corrosion |
Why don't you (or someone who HAS called Van's) just post the answer
here on the list.
I mean, part of the reason for this list is to ease the burden on Van's
staff, right? Why make 20 people call Van's? I'm sure people here on
this list would rather give the people at Van's more time to work on
stuff like, oh, say, RV-8 wing kits? ;)
--------------------- cut here
--------------------------------------------------------------
Mitch Faatz mfaatz(at)sagenttech.com San Jose, CA
RV-6AQME N727MF (reserved)
Working on left elevator and trim tab.
>----------
>From:
> aol.com!WAnder5240(at)matronics.com[SMTP:aol.com!WAnder5240(at)matronics.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 1996 7:36 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: QuickBuild Corrosion
>
>call Vans and get an update on the WHOLE STORY.
> RV 6 Wally Anderson
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Lanier <rlanier(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | New E-Mail Address For RV #80134 |
Gentlemen,
Anybody who is interested, Rob Lanier's new e-mail address is:
rlanier(at)airmail.net
It has already been activated.
Thanks!
Rob Lanier
RV 8 (#134) empennage completed
rlanier(at)airmail.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John McMahon <rv6(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Survey wrote:
> =
> Greetings RVers,
> Below is a quick survey for Van=92s Aircraft On-line. We would like you=
> take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
> some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
> Van=92s Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
> Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
> responses that don=92t apply, or answer it using whatever method you wi=
sh.
> The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
> don=92t wait!
> Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
> quality and quantity of on-line information and support=85
> =
> 1. Have you visited the Van=92s Aircraft web site (located at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> [Yes]
> [No]
> [I will now!]
> =
> 2. Are you:
> [thinking about building an RV]?
> [building an RV]?
> [flying an RV you built]?
> [flying an RV you bought]?
> =
> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
> [plans]
> [empennage]
> [wing]
> [fuselage]
> [finishing]
> [flying]
> [other (please specify)]
> =
> 4. Which model?
> [RV-3]
> [RV-4]
> [RV-6]
> [RV-6A]
> [RV-8]
> =
> 5. How did you hear about the Van=92s Aircraft Web Site?
> [rv-list]
> [word of mouth]
> [link from another site]
> [web search engine]
> [Van=92s Aircraft magazine advertisement]
> [other (please specify)]
> =
> 6. Have you used Van=92s CompuServe e-mail address
> [for technical support]?
> [to ask a question aside from technical support]?
> [to place an order]?
> [other (please specify)]?
> [I have not used their e-mail address]
> =
> 7. Do you have a Van=92s Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?=
> [Yes]
> [No]
> =
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
> use it?
> [Yes]
> [No]
> =
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes I probably would]
> [Yes I might]
> [No I wouldn=92t]
> [Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
> =
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van=92s Aircraft?=
> [less than a month]
> [more than a month, but less than about six months]
> [more than about six months, but within the last two years]
> [more than two years ago]
> [I have not ordered anything from Van=92s Aircraft]
> =
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes]
> [No]
> =
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> [Yes]
> [No]
> =
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
> [more than once a day]
> [once a day]
> [every couple of days]
> [once a week]
> [once a month]
> [once a year?]
> [other (please specify)]
> =
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
> =
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
> =
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
> =
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like=
> to see Van=92s Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
> =
> Thanks for your input,
> Van=92s Aircraft On-line Development Team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1=3DYES
2=3DAM BUILDING
3=3DFUSELAGE
4=3DRV-6
5=3DVANS RVATOR
6=3DHAVE NOT YET USED E-MAIL YET
7=3DYES
8=3DYES
9=3DYE S
10=3D2 DAYS AGO
11=3DYES
12=3DYES
13=3DONCE A DAY
14=3DTENN
15=3DJOHN MCMAHON
16=3Drv6(at)earthlink.net
POST RV FLY INS
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | QuickBuild Corrosion |
| From: | "Sam Ray" <str(at)almaden.ibm.com> |
>call Vans and get an update on the WHOLE STORY.
> RV 6 Wally Anderson
To save a bunch of telephone calls to Van's, would you outline what you
found out?
Sam Ray
RV6
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Can't you follow directions |
RV-List, I asked Tom Green at Van's Aircraft via Email if the Online
Development Team was from Van's Aircraft. His reply was"No, your the second
to ask but I have not heard of it....Tom". Bruce Bell RV-4 # 2888
RV-4Bell(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Chandler" <mauser(at)Claris.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devises. |
> While on the subject, has anyone worked out a way of putting springs
> on the throttle and mixture control arms, so that they will go to
> 'full open' and 'full rich' respectively, if there is a problem with
> the cable ?
I can accept the idea of full rich, but I'm not sure full open is always wise.
OTOH, a spring might take some of the slop out of the vernier knob.
--
(Sorry Randall, no more room for the Yakko Warner quote)
Richard Chandler
RV-6: Garage bought, saving for tools and tail kit (Christmas?).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob_Ungrin(at)On.InfoShare.ca (Bob Ungrin) |
| Subject: | RV-6(A) Fuselage Jig FS |
I have a RV-6 (or 6A) fuselage jig available FS in the Ottawa, Ontario area.
The jig has been used twice and still has several airplanes left in her. It is
made of straight grain cedar. The price is $50 CDN and is FOB the Ottawa area.
If interested, please E mail to
bob_ungrin(at)on.infoshare.ca
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | randall(at)edt.com (Randall Henderson) |
| Subject: | Re: Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
> Then why does Bendix SPECIFICALLY state a caution in their KY96/97
> manual which reads...
> "CAUTION The KY96A should be powered on only after engine startup. This
> is a simple precaution which helps protect the solid state circuitry
> and extends the operating life of your avionics equipment"
I can think of a couple of reasons. One, they're just playing it safe
by beinge overly paranoid. I mean, it costs them nothing to print that,
does it? Also, they're giving themselves a possible 'out' -- consider
the following hypothetical telephone conversation:
BENDIX: Hello, Bendix King Warranty Support.
YOU: Hi, my I have this KY96 radio and it just died.
BENDIX: Did you crank the engine with the radio on?
YOU: Well... um.... I don't THINK so, but I really don't know for sure....
BENDIX: Ah HAH!
Randall Henderson, RV-6
randall(at)edt.com
http://www.edt.com/homewing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patrick Kelley <patk(at)mail.ic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Randy McCallister wrote:
Subject:
Re: RV-List: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line
Date:
From:
Randy McCallister
rv-list(at)matronics.com
To:
rv-list(at)matronics.com
CC:
rv-list(at)matronics.com
>
Attaboy, Randy! Not only do you reply to the list (instead of the
original sender), you also COPY the list, just to make sure we get it.
You gotta admire that spirit... :)
Hey, I'm joking at you. I know this computer stuff is difficult for
some of us. Just learn from your mistakes, Ok, and be tolerant with
mine.
PatK - RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WstcttPrss(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Dimples and engines |
Ah...
these are the lessons we learn.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Springer <jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Can't you follow directions |
aol.com!RV4Bell(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> RV-List, I asked Tom Green at Van's Aircraft via Email if the Online
> Development Team was from Van's Aircraft. His reply was"No, your the second
> to ask but I have not heard of it....Tom". Bruce Bell RV-4 # 2888
> RV-4Bell(at)aol.com
I questioned who it was this morning on the list and got a not going
to tell response, I don't respond to anybody that won't say who they
are. I live in the Hillsboro, Portland area so it could be someone
I know but still will not respond if they can not say who they are.
And doubly so if Van's does not even know about it. How do I know it
is not just someone wanting info for their own use?
PS All you guys posting "don't post to the list" are just as bad as
the ones doing it.
--
Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro, OR
jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | EBundy2620(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 5th point seat belt hook up..chatter |
<< I CALLED VANS ON THIS QUESTION 2 DAYS AGO.
BILL SAID THAT IT WOULD BE COVERED IN THE NEXT RVATOR...... >>
Yep, I'm expecting my August issue any day now...
-- Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
Scott: Thanks for the help on prop cable routing. Sorry you got caught
with the engine bulletin but don't worry. It can't be all that bad. My
engine was
delivered in September and I haven't checked to see if the bulletin applys.
But I don't think pulling four cylinders is a big deal compared to building a
whole airplane in our back yard.
Good luck
Bob Lovering
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curt Reimer <Curt_Reimer(at)MBnet.MB.CA> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Survey wrote:
> 1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> [Yes]
>
> 2. Are you:
> [building an RV]?
>
> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
> [fuselage]
>
> 4. Which model?
> [RV-6]
>
> 5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
> [rv-list]
>
> 6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
> [to place an order]?
> [other (please specify)]?
To CHeck kit prices and lead times
>
> 7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
> [Yes]
>
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
> use it?
> [Yes]
>
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes I probably would]
>
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
> [more than a month, but less than about six months]
>
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes]
>
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> [Yes]
>
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
> [once a day]
>
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
Manitoba, Canada
>
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
Curt Reimer
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
reimer(at)mbnet.mb.ca
>
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
> to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
It is great to see some activity on the further development of a Van's web
site. I can state quite emphatically that I decided to build an RV based
almost entirely on information obtained on the internet, specifically the
RV list and rec.aviation.homebuilt. I can also say that having the rv-list
for technical help has greatly reduced the number of builder assistance
phone calls I have had to make to Van's. Good luck with the web site.
Oh, perhaps you could include a Van's "AD" file listing all of the safety
related construction modifications made over the years, as well as a FAQ
for those plans/manual points of confusion that keep coming up and which,
I'm sure occupy 90% of the tech support people's time.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Wang <jclwang(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
Survey wrote:
>
> Greetings RVers,
> Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
> take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
> some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
> Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
> Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
> responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
> The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
> dont wait!
> Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
> quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>
> 1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
> [Yes]
> >
> 2. Are you:
> > [building an RV]?
>
>
> 3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
> > [wing]
>
>
>
> 4. Which model?
> > [RV-4]
>
>
> 5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
> > > [link from another site]
> >
> 6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
> have not used their e-mail address]
>
> 7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
> [Yes]
> >
> 8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
> use it?
> [Yes]
> >
> 9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes I probably would]
> >
> 10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
> > [more than two years ago]
> >
> 11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
> it?
> [Yes]
>
>
> 12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
> > [No]
>
> 13. How often do you access the Internet?
> > [once a day]
> >
> 14. What state (or country) are you located in?
>Cleveland, Ohio
> 15. What is your name (optional)?
>Jerry Wang
> 16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
>jclwang(at)ix.netcom.com
> Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
> to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
> important, everything is considered).
>
> Thanks for your input,
> Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MiDiBu <midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>1. Have you visited the Van's Aircraft web site (located at
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[No]
>[I will now!]
>
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]? Waiting for the tail kit that I ordered a
couple of weeks ago. Where is it?
>[building an RV]? Getting ready.
>[flying an RV you built]?
>[flying an RV you bought]?
>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage] Yes, let me know when it will be here!
>[wing]
>[fuselage]
>[finishing]
>[flying]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>4. Which model?
>[RV-8] Yes
>
>5. How did you hear about the Van's Aircraft Web Site?
here
>6. Have you used Van's CompuServe e-mail address
no
>7. Do you have a Van's Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>use it?
>[Yes]
>
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes I probably would]
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Van's Aircraft?
>[less than a month]
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>it?
>[Yes]
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
>[Yes] Where is it? I paid for it.
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
>[more than once a day]
>14. What state (or country) are you located in?
>
Alabama
>15. What is your name (optional)?
>
Mike Weller
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
>
midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
>
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>to see Van's Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>important, everything is considered).
>
Get some confirmation that you have received my order. I've heard nothing.
>Thanks for your input,
>Van's Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
Mike Weller
midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com (preferred) or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian McShurley <bmcshurley(at)www.sfgate.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Advice On Plane Registration |
Taxes
Mike Brogley wrote:
>
> Don McNamara wrote:
>
> > I must tell all now that I have been lurking for some time gathering
> > notes and ideas. R.A.H. just dosen't have a clue most of the time, yet
> > the RV List is usually always packed with great info or advice.
> >
> > I hope that you all will be willing to help me out when I get into a jam
> > and have run out of ideas. Thanks in advance. By the way, isn't a
> > metal airplane still a metal airplane??
> >
> > As I don my fireproof suit to ward off the flame throwers...... :)
> >
> > Check six
> > Brian McShurley, S-51D, N514BM
> > Cleaning Garage, Awaiting Kit
>
> Mister Chairman, I have a unanimous consent motion at the desk - I
> move that the RV-list declare Don's S-51D an honorary RV pursuant to
> the condition that he give at least one RV-lister a ride when it's
> done.
>
> --
> Mike Brogley
> conveniently located in San Jose, CA, USA
> Avery order arrived except for the rivet squeeeezers
Why yes....I ACCEPT these terms.
Thanks for making me feel welcome.
Brian McShurley / bmcshurley(at)sfgate.com / S-51D / N514BM
Awaiting Kit / Cleaning Garage / Now why was I keeping this?????
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Leo Davies <leo(at)icn.su.OZ.AU> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
>Greetings RVers,
>Below is a quick survey for Vans Aircraft On-line. We would like you
>take just a moment (it should take two minutes or less!) and fill out
>some basic information. The information will be used to help develop
>Vans Aircraft On-line to serve you the best!!!
>Please respond to support(at)portlands.com, you can just clip out the
>responses that dont apply, or answer it using whatever method you wish.
>The survey will be tallied on Thursday, October 10, 1996 at 3:00pm, so
>dont wait!
>Please remember that the number of respondents will help determine the
>quality and quantity of on-line information and support
>
>
>1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
>http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
>[Yes]
Yes
>[No]
>[I will now!]
>
>2. Are you:
>[thinking about building an RV]?
building an RV
>[building an RV]?
>[flying an RV you built]?
>[flying an RV you bought]?
>
>3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
>[plans]
>[empennage]
>[wing]
>[fuselage]
Just finishing the fuselage, I have the finish kit
>[finishing]
>[flying]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>4. Which model?
>[RV-3]
>[RV-4]
>[RV-6]
RV6A
>[RV-6A]
>[RV-8]
>
>5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
RV list
rv-list]
>[word of mouth]
>[link from another site]
>[web search engine]
>[Vans Aircraft magazine advertisement]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
>[for technical support]?
Yes, for technical support, and also to ask about availabiltiy of engine
options through Vans'
>[to ask a question aside from technical support]?
>[to place an order]?
>[other (please specify)]?
>[I have not used their e-mail address]
>
>7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
Yes
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
>use it?
YES!
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
>it?
Hmmm,
I currently order by fax and I feel this is more secure, I would get data
from the site and then send a fax order I think.
>[Yes I probably would]
>[Yes I might]
>[No I wouldnt]
>[Are you kidding? - No way, the Internet is not secure!]
>
>10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
Yesterday
>[less than a month]
>[more than a month, but less than about six months]
>[more than about six months, but within the last two years]
>[more than two years ago]
>[I have not ordered anything from Vans Aircraft]
>
>11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
>it?
Yes
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
Yes
>[Yes]
>[No]
>
>13. How often do you access the Internet?
More than once a day
>[more than once a day]
>[once a day]
>[every couple of days]
>[once a week]
>[once a month]
>[once a year?]
>[other (please specify)]
>
>14. What state (or country) are you located in?
Australia
>
>15. What is your name (optional)?
Leo Davies
>
>16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
leo(at)icn.su.oz.au
>
>
>Please list any specific comments or suggestions on what you would like
>to see Vans Aircraft do on-line, or have on their website (this is
>important, everything is considered).
Having the parts catelogue on line sounds great. The other information that
would be nice is order status. ie when I send a big cheque from Australia I
get nervous that it hasn't arrived and I often fax for confirmation of
receipt, this wastes your time I know. It would be great if there was a way
I could see that you had received my order, what my account balance was etc.
This might be too much of a drag..... having the catelogue on line would be
great. I already have found the Vans address useful for technical help.
Cheers,
Leo Davies
>
>Thanks for your input,
>Vans Aircraft On-line Development Team
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian McShurley <bmcshurley(at)www.sfgate.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Advice On Plane Registration |
Taxes
Joe Larson wrote:
snip
>
> Only one of us? C'mon -- he should have to attend RV fly-ins in each
> part of the U.S. and offer rides to at least one lister per fly-in.
>
> Sorry about the out-of-country brethren, but I think it's a bit much to
> ask him to fly across the big, scary water.
>
> -J
>
> --
> Joe Larson jpl(at)showpg.mn.org 612-591-1037
> Showpage Software, Inc. http://www.wavefront.com/~showpg
> 14190 47th Ave N.
> Plymouth, Mn 55446 Future RV-6A pilot.
No problem........currently there are 6 S-51D's under construction here
in California alone. In fact there are a total of 65 sold, with 54
delivered. The first production aircraft will be up real soon. By OSH
time next year, we expect to have at least 4 aircraft there.
As for those across the pond....No problem. There are a number being
built in various locations around the world. One has even been adapted
to a PT-6A turboprop because of noise requirements. Now there is a
thought!!! 140 gallons of fuel plus 450 SHP.......wow!!!
Fair is only fair......does this mean I can ride in your RV-? too??? ;)
Brian McShurley / bmcshurley(at)sfgate.com / S-51D / N514BM
Awaiting Kit / Cleaning Garage / Uhhhhh recycle....or just in case.?.?.?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MiDiBu <midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Can't you follow directions |
>I sure hope that the builders who responded to Van's survey via the RV-list
>read their plans and instructions better than their E-mail.
>
>Gary Corde
>RV-6 N211GC
>
Yes, I do too, and I apologize. I'm stupid. I fell for it.
However, I make my living doing software development for NASA. I use this
forum as a tool to build my airplane. The way that this questionaire was
presented was stupid. I can post anything here and get a reply to JUST ME
when anyone hits reply on a basic Eudora (or whatever) mail reader.
It reminds me of my teacher in the 5th grade who gave us one of those tests
that started with "read all of the questions before starting", and all of us
slaved away answering the questions, while the pudgy girl at the front of
the class drew pictures and chuckled to herself, because she had read the
last question.
It went something like this, "Have you read this question? If so, you need
not answer any of the above questions. You get an A."
Again, I'm sorry. I was just trying to do good. I should have known that
someting was amiss when I saw 60 letters from the RV group when I got home.
By the way, the pudgy girl developed into the homecoming queen and is now a
lawyer specializing in international communications. With her talent, she
may even read this group.
Mike Weller
midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com (preferred) or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MiDiBu <midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
>Last time I took a trip I was given a frequency by Denver
>approach I couldn't accept 121.455. My new K125 can only
>accept 123.45 or 123.46. Are we going to need to buy
>new radios again? Have I missed something here?
>
>Dan Boudro
>RV-4 N9167Z
>Albuquerque, NM
>dboudro(at)nmia.com
>
>
Dear Dan,
Aircraft radios use 25 KHz spacing now.
You could have been given a frequency of 121.475 or 121.450 or
121.500. If it was the later, you better be prepared to expain why!
It also won't accept 123.46 (I hope) It should go 123.45, 123.475, 123.5,
123.025, 123.5, etc.
If this was flame bait, I just bit.
Mike Weller
midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com (preferred) or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fred Hiatt <hiatt001(at)gold.tc.umn.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: requested bio |
Ray Murphy, Jr. wrote:
>
> John, welcome to the list. Everyone knows of course, that Navy piolots are
> called aviators but Coast Guard pilots are called Studs!
>
> >John,
> >
> >< >< >
> >I thought that Navy pilots were refered to as Nasal Radiators.
6 munts ago i cudnt spel engineer and now i are one.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
| From: | "Calin Brabandt" <cwbraban(at)ichips.intel.com> |
> > Then why does Bendix SPECIFICALLY state a caution in their KY96/97
> > manual which reads...
> > "CAUTION The KY96A should be powered on only after engine startup. This
> > is a simple precaution which helps protect the solid state circuitry
> > and extends the operating life of your avionics equipment"
>
> I can think of a couple of reasons. One, they're just playing it safe
> by beinge overly paranoid.
A 172 at a club where I used to teach had most of the radios in the
panel fail after a club member cranked with the panel on. Maybe it
was an unusually large inductive spike produced by the starter, (big
motor--big coil) but they all failed and it never happened again
after they were repaired or replaced. Of course everyone in the
club was scared into operational compliance after seeing the bill.
Cal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Murphy, Jr." <murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us> |
I got my August issue of the RVator in today's mail. As usual Ken does a
very nice job of writing .....this time about a minor electrical problem.
Ray Murphy, Jr.
murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us
RV 6A tail feathers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | (Chat) Art Chard visit |
What a bummer day on the list. I thought you guys might like to read
about something else besides surveys.
I had a real treat today. Art and Dorothy Chard stopped for a visit. In
fact, they are camped in thier camper in my front drive as I type this.
They are on vacation and stopped here on there way back to North Plains.
I was fortunate to meet Art and Dorothy when I attended Van's builder
workshop several years ago. Art and Ken Scott taught the class. I drove my
Suburban from Nebraska to Oregon with the intention of attending the
workshop and then hauling the fuselage kit home. Being the tightwad that I
am, I asked Art if I could unroll my sleeping bag and sleep in the Suburban
behind the shop to save on motel expense. He said that I just as well stay
at his house. I was fortunate, I've been adopted twice. I was like a kid
in a candy store when I saw Art's shop, just chocked full of goodies. He had
a project in the shop that he was working on (he always has a project in the
shop that he's working on) so, when we got done with the builder's class,
we'd go home to Art's and spend the rest of the evening in his shop. Art is
a craftsman and a gentleman and I learned a lot from him.
Art has stopped by on about four occasions on his way past our town. I
was always interested in his comments about my RV-6 that was under
construction. He stopped last year and I have a picture of Art and Dorothy
standing by my RV-6.
For the people who don't know who Art is, he worked for Van's for around
14-15 years. He built one of the first, if not the first, customer built
RV-3s. He was first with what was to later become the RV-6. He bought RV-4
wings and a tail kit and made his own side by side fuselage with a sliding
canopy. He built, I believe, all of the factory RVs before retiring. When
he got done for the day working for Van, he went home and worked on one of
the many RVs that he's helped others with over the years. A true
homebuilder and craftsman.
Tonight, we didn't have a RV to look at so I showed him the Glastar kit
we're working on and he met and visited with the owner of the kit who was
working on it today. I got the impression that Art wasn't ready to trade
building RVs for Glastars.
If I could know what Art has forgot about sheet metal work, I'd be in
really good shape (and would probably get my RVs built a heck of a lot quicker).
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: aileron/flap interference |
SNIP.......The inboard leading edge of the flaps (i.e., the sheet
>metal overhang that contacts the wing top skin) touches the aileron
>push-pull tube when the flaps are fully retracted. This is clearly
>unacceptable. I can either trim the flap, or move the push-pull tube
>rod end outboard by switching the spacer and the washer that hold the
>rod end in position. Has anyone had this problem and chosen one or
>the other solutions?
>My other aileron interference issue concerns contact between the
>outboard aileron mount (the part that is riveted to the wing) and the
>bottom bolt that attaches the outboard aileron bracket to the
>aileron. This contact limits the up aileron travel. The solution I
>came up with, and that I found mentioned once or twice in the
>archives, is to grind a depression in the aileron mount to accept the
>bolt.
1)Yup, You need to trim a nice smooth bit out of the curved flap front
to clear the pushrod
2) I had to file out about 1/8" from thew bracket on my 6A to get full
travel - I found that when this was done, the aileron contacted the
bolt spacer tube against the inboard hinge (you need to look to
understand what I mean!) and the outboard bolt both contact at the
same time - No additional stops needed. I would not think it desirable
to just let the outboard bracket be the stop since you would be
torqueing the entire assembly from the pushrod attach to the outboard
attach. There again I have never met anyone who has used full aileron
on an RV except when checking "flight controls free and clear" :)
Just as a matter of info, I dont think ANY of Vans demos have stops
other than those occurring naturally.
Hope this helps some -
Rob Lee RV6A
av8r(at)hic.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bcon(at)ix.netcom.com (Robert M. Cornacchia ) |
| Subject: | Re: Can't you follow directions |
You wrote:
>
>I sure hope that the builders who responded to Van's survey via the
RV-list
>read their plans and instructions better than their E-mail.
>
>Gary Corde
>RV-6 N211GC
>
Hi Gary,
I was thinking the same thing.
Bob
RV6 Working on wings
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey = Van's Aircraft On-line |
1. Have you visited the Vans Aircraft web site (located at
http://home.earthlink.net/~rkhu/vans/)?
No
I will now!
2. Are you:
building an RV
flying an RV you built
3. If you are building an RV, what stage are you at?
empennage
4. Which model?
RV-4
5. How did you hear about the Vans Aircraft Web Site?
rv-list
6. Have you used Vans CompuServe e-mail address
I have not used their e-mail address
7. Do you have a Vans Aircraft Accessories (Optional Parts) catalog?
Yes
8. If the entire up-to-date Accessories Catalog was on-line, would you
use it?
Yes
9. If 24 hour toll-free on-line ordering was available, would you use
it?
Yes I probably would
10. When was the last time you ordered something from Vans Aircraft?
more than a month, but less than about six months
11. If complete on-line technical support was available, would you use
it?
No
12. Do you subscribe to the RVator newsletter?
Yes
13. How often do you access the Internet?
more than once a day
14. What state (or country) are you located in?
California
15. What is your name (optional)?
Jim Ayers
16. What is your e-mail address (optional)?
LesDrag
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle (Matt G. Dralle 510-606-1001) |
| Subject: | Rv-List WebPage & MS Internet Explorer Bug... |
>--------------
>I use MS Explorer v3 and get an error indication when I attempt to access
>the images. I have seen a message on the RV list indicating someone else
>has experienced the same problem.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Frank H. Pruitt
>--------------
Frank and anyone using the Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.0:
As you have pointed out, there is a problem viewing the graphics images and
movies on the RV-List Homepage (http://www.matronics.com/rv-list) with the
MS IE 3.0. I have just tried it myself and receive a bogus error:
"Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/business/matronics/Scans/896fs-2.jpg
The server returned extended information"
I happen to have a previous version of IE (pre 3.0) and it had no problem
with HREFs in this format. Also, Netscape 3.0 has no problems.
Sooo, this appears to be a bug in IE 3.0 and a pretty bad one at that. I
have reported this to Microsoft via their EI Bug Report Form, but one voice
may not be enough. If you are using EI (or even if you're not), please
go to:
http://www.microsoft.com/ie/support/report/ie_report.htm
and fill out the bug report form describing the problem as described above.
It seems increadable to me that they could let something like this slip
through, but...
Sorry to bore the List with this, but it is 'sort of' List related...
Thanks,
Matt Dralle
RV-List Admin.
Matronics
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510-606-1001 Voice | 510-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinders |
Dave:
Better check your Superior Kit again. I installed 4 new Superior cylinder
kits a year ago and I had neat wrist pins come with mine. I remember buying
2 new push rods of the proper length and I am sure that no new piston pins
were purchased but new piston pins were installed. They have fixed aluminum
caps and the pin rotates freely within the piston and rod. When they and the
pistons were weighed, they came out all identical. This is what one would
want in any balanced engine. My engine is a standard cylinder flange engine
(aka: Narrow deck) and I have 4 very low serial number cylinders. I think
that they are # 8, 9, 10, and 11. It may be possible that they are not
supplied in the 1996 cylinder kits. My rebuild is a rebuild in that it is
all new parts or parts that meet new specifications. I have the subscription
service to the Lycoming Service Bulletins, Instructions and Letters and
spared no expense in making sure that my engine was as good or better than
new. I used Superior Air Parts everywhere possible. Superior is on the web
and can be e-mailed with questions.
Good luck.
Gary A. Sobek
RV-6 20480 N-157GS
Aerospace Electrical Engineer
FAA Powerplant Mechanic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Plew <plew(at)mail.pci.co.zw> |
Hi,
We are very pleased to find out about this forum. We live in Zimbabwe and
there are no other RV projects around. Our's is an RV6 about 90% complete
and 50% to go, and are now looking to buy a prop....Due to our devalued
currency ( Z%10.5 - US$ 1 ) we don't want to make the wrong choice.
We have an O320 B3B of 160 HP from a Piper Apache (CS prop included), and
have been told we shouldn't use the CS prop due to the feathering feature
(from a twin) and weight. Any comments???
We will be operating from an average density altitude of 7500 feet!!
We have prices from Aymar-Demuth, Warnke, Prince, Pacesetter,and of course
Sensenich from Van's.
Do we go cheap and buy a plain old wood prop? If this is not quite matched,
replacement is not too expensive!! Or do we go fancy (read Composite,
P-tip, semi constant-speed) and spend another +/- $500 or finally do we bite
the bullet and go metal? The pros and cons of various propsfrom an operating
point of view are, as far as our knowledge goes WOOD inexpensive, easy to
repair small nicks but don't fly in the rain, can't be repitched and
constant check of those bolts. COMPOSITE - More expensive, difficult to
repair, and as far as we know, cannot be repitched. METAL - easy to repair
stone damage, can be repitched, costs a whole heap more and is much more noisy!
Our general requirements are for cross country and limited aerobatics.
Perhaps some of you lucky guys out there who are already flying have some
thoughtsand experience with the props in question, that might aid us in our
final decision.
Looking forward to hearing from some of you.
Regards, Graham Leathes and Martin Hendriksen.
(E-mail passed on by Brian Plew.)
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| From: | PAUL_ROSALES(at)prodigy.com (MR PAUL A ROSALES) |
From: GJGP22B(at)prodigy.com
Subject: RV-List: Air Races & EAA Fly-in (West Coast)
-- [ From: Paul A. Rosales * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] --
For those of you on the West Coast and anyone else interested: An EAA
Fly-in, held in conjunction with Formula 1 National Air Races, will be
held November 1-3, at WJF airport in Lancaster, California. Lancaster
is the home of Team Nemesis and Jon Sharp, who is scheduled to race.
You can visit our Race/Fly-in Home Page at: www.av.qnet.com/~prosales
for further information. I hope that some of the RV crowd can come on
down and have a great time!
Paul_Rosales(at)prodigy.com, EAA Ch. 49 Secretary
RV-6A N628PV, 'Wings' done, Tanks need back baffles, Need to start
control surfaces!
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| From: | Fred New <fred(at)ics.ee> |
| Subject: | Re: Can't you follow directions |
On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 aol.com!RV6junkie(at)matronics.com wrote:
> I sure hope that the builders who responded to Van's survey via the RV-li=
st
> read their plans and instructions better than their E-mail.
>=20
> Gary Corde
> RV-6 N211GC
I hope they fly better.
--
Fred New, Systems Administrator RV-6A, dreaming & planning
IC Systems | Mustam=E4e tee 12 | EE0006 Tallinn | Eston=
ia
Internet--fred(at)ics.ee voice--(372) 656-5477 fax--(372) 656-5476
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| From: | Fred New <fred(at)ics.ee> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devises. |
On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Richard Chandler wrote:
> > While on the subject, has anyone worked out a way of putting springs=20
> > on the throttle and mixture control arms, so that they will go to=20
> > 'full open' and 'full rich' respectively, if there is a problem with=20
> > the cable ?=20
>=20
> I can accept the idea of full rich, but I'm not sure full open is always =
wise.
My thoughts exactly.
But I have been thinking about putting hand-holds on the cowling so I
could climb out and
A) adjust the center of gravity in case my crank breaks and my prop falls
off =20
OR=20
B) cut a hole in my cowling with my plexiglass knife to make emergency
repairs.
Either of these stunts would require an autopilot or a pilot passenger. I=
=20
know--an extra control stick next to the engine!
Contrary to the way James Bond or Indiana Jones would do it, I would
probably fall off or my knife would only penetrate the cowling after being
assisted by the extra Gs of impact . . . :-(
--
Fred New, Systems Administrator RV-6A, dreaming & planning
IC Systems | Mustam=E4e tee 12 | EE0006 Tallinn | Eston=
ia
Internet--fred(at)ics.ee voice--(372) 656-5477 fax--(372) 656-5476
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| Subject: | Re: (Chat) Art Chard visit |
Bob you rat. I didn't know you were sneaking off at night and getting all
that extra instruction. It's no wonder you did so well in class at the
clinic. While the rest of us were looking for some decent food and watching
TV, you were over at Art's having a ball.
Not Fair! Mal rvbildr(at)aol.com
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| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron/flap interference |
*snip*
> found mentioned once or twice in the archives, is to grind a depression in
> the aileron mount to accept the bolt. Is this what most people have done?
> *snip*
>
This statement sent chills down my spine, I hope I misunderstood. There
are only a few things that can KILL you, one is an aileron bracket that
has broken off because someone decided to modify it with a little grinding.
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
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| From: | Scott Gesele <scottg(at)villagenet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron/flap interference |
>As I continue to fit the ailerons and flaps to the wings of my -6A, I find
>a sort of interference not (aparently) mentioned in any archived postings.
>The inboard leading edge of the flaps (i.e., the sheet metal overhang that
>contacts the wing top skin) touches the aileron push-pull tube when the
>flaps are fully retracted. This is clearly unacceptable. I can either
>trim the flap, or move the push-pull tube rod end outboard by switching the
>spacer and the washer that hold the rod end in position. Has anyone had
>this problem and chosen one or the other solutions?
>
If I remember correctly, the plans are rather vague on which side of the rod
end bearing the spacer goes. Initially, I installed my rod end bearing
inboard. While rigging the ailerons and flaps, I ran into the same
interference. A look through the stack of pictures that I took at Oshkosh &
S&F over the past four years revealed that many, if not all, flying -6's had
the rod-end bearing outboard. I would have called Van's about this, but it
was Saturday and all those flying RV's with the bearing outboard was enough
for me. Also, with the bearing outboard, much less material needs to be
trimmed in the rear wing spar, beyond the square hole that was already cut
into it according to the plans, for the pushrod.
>My other aileron interference issue concerns contact between the outboard
>aileron mount (the part that is riveted to the wing) and the bottom bolt
>that attaches the outboard aileron bracket to the aileron. This contact
>limits the up aileron travel. The solution I came up with, and that I
>found mentioned once or twice in the archives, is to grind a depression in
>the aileron mount to accept the bolt. Is this what most people have done?
That sounds about right.
>
>If the aileron bracket is ground to accept the bolt, the amount of grinding
>determines the amount of up travel on the aileron. Are people using this
>to limit travel, or are they using the extra piece riveted to the inboard
>mount (as in the plans)? One problem I will have with the inboard-mounted
>aileron stop is that the gap between my mount and the aileron bracket is a
>bit more than in the plans; perhaps a piece of aluminum angle rather than
>1/8" plate (as in the plans) would be more suitable.
>
I would still go ahead and put the stop in according to plans. I wouldn't
want to be whacking that bolt on every pre flight. That thing holds the
aileron on, I'll be as gently as I can with it.
Hope this helps.
-Scott Gesele N506RV (O-320 0SN, ready for top end)
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| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
> Aircraft radios use 25 KHz spacing now.
> You could have been given a frequency of 121.475 or 121.450 or
> 121.500. If it was the later, you better be prepared to expain why!
>
> It also won't accept 123.46 (I hope) It should go 123.45, 123.475, 123.5,
> 123.025, 123.5, etc.
>
> If this was flame bait, I just bit.
>
No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
(I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
Dan Boudro
rv-4 N9167Z
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| From: | WAnder5240(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: QuickBuild Corrosion Van Story |
I spoke again this morning with John Morgan from Vans about this issue. The
white powder (what ever it was) was on a cut edge of alclad. They are aware
of all the talk on the net and have checked the other quick builds in stock
and have not found any white powder or corrosion in any area on any of the
kits. They will continue to use the same primer. I'm on my second RV 6 now
and I have switched to it because like what I see. Wally Anderson RV 6
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| From: | Herman Dierks <dierks(at)austin.ibm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinders |
You can by cylinders different ways.
Just the 'stud' is the cylinder only.
You can get the complete assembly with valves, springs, pistons, and
pins.
It sounds like one of you bought the complete assemply and the
other bought just a version without piston.
Herman
> Dave:
>
> Better check your Superior Kit again. I installed 4 new Superior cylinder
> kits a year ago and I had neat wrist pins come with mine. I remember buying
> 2 new push rods of the proper length and I am sure that no new piston pins
> were purchased but new piston pins were installed. They have fixed aluminum
> caps and the pin rotates freely within the piston and rod. When they and the
> pistons were weighed, they came out all identical. This is what one would
> want in any balanced engine. My engine is a standard cylinder flange engine
> (aka: Narrow deck) and I have 4 very low serial number cylinders. I think
> that they are # 8, 9, 10, and 11. It may be possible that they are not
> supplied in the 1996 cylinder kits. My rebuild is a rebuild in that it is
> all new parts or parts that meet new specifications. I have the subscription
> service to the Lycoming Service Bulletins, Instructions and Letters and
> spared no expense in making sure that my engine was as good or better than
> new. I used Superior Air Parts everywhere possible. Superior is on the web
> and can be e-mailed with questions.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> RV-6 20480 N-157GS
> Aerospace Electrical Engineer
> FAA Powerplant Mechanic
>
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| From: | Herman Dierks <dierks(at)austin.ibm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
See the latest issue of AOPA Pilot for a list of affected radios.
All 720 and 760 channel radios are OK.
It is the older 90 ch and 360 channel radios that will not be
allowd to 'transmit'. They can still be left in to 'receive' on.
FYI, most 720 and 760 channel radios do not display the last
digit. For example 123.025 will show as 123.02 The '.005' is
implied. Same for 123.075, will show as 123.07
Herman
> > Aircraft radios use 25 KHz spacing now.
> > You could have been given a frequency of 121.475 or 121.450 or
> > 121.500. If it was the later, you better be prepared to expain why!
> >
> > It also won't accept 123.46 (I hope) It should go 123.45, 123.475, 123.5,
> > 123.025, 123.5, etc.
> >
> > If this was flame bait, I just bit.
> >
> No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
> (I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
> In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
> cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
> xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
> radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
> purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
>
> Dan Boudro
> rv-4 N9167Z
>
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| From: | "Allan W. Mojzisik" <prober(at)iwaynet.net> |
| Subject: | Can't you follow directions |
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Jerry, No offense but I think your signature line answers all the pertinent questions
of the "important survey". Al prober(at)iwaynet.net
I questioned who it was this morning on the list and got a not going
to tell response, I don't respond to anybody that won't say who they
are. I live in the Hillsboro, Portland area so it could be someone
I know but still will not respond if they can not say who they are.
And doubly so if Van's does not even know about it. How do I know it
is not just someone wanting info for their own use?
PS All you guys posting "don't post to the list" are just as bad as
the ones doing it.
--
Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro, OR
jerryflyrv(at)village.yvv.com
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My server was messed up for almost a month and I was off the list for that
time so might have missed some "Copperstate" discussions. Is Van going to
be represented? My main purpose in going (Friday) will be to bum a ride in
a RV. Think I will be successful?
Thanks for your help.
Dick McNaney dmcnane@huachuca-sec1.army.mil
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| From: | rwoodard(at)lawyernet.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
RV>> Aircraft radios use 25 KHz spacing now.
RV>> You could have been given a frequency of 121.475 or 121.450 or
RV>> 121.500. If it was the later, you better be prepared to expain why!
RV>>
RV>> It also won't accept 123.46 (I hope) It should go 123.45, 123.475, 123.5
RV>> 123.025, 123.5, etc.
RV>>
RV>> If this was flame bait, I just bit.
RV>>
RV>No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
RV>(I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
RV>In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
RV>cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
RV>xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
RV>radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
RV>purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
RV>Dan Boudro
RV>rv-4 N9167Z
Dan:
I have no direct experience with KX-125's, but my KX-155's are capable
of handling the .025 frequencies. For example, the AWOS at my home field
(FNL) is 135.075. I can tune this freq. on my KX-155 with no problem.
The radio display, however, only shows two digits to the right of the
decimal... i.e. 135.075 = 135.07.
I know... we can put your -125 to the test! You fly up here to FNL. When
you get within 20 miles or so of the airport, tune your radio to where
it shows 135.07. Fly in circles for a while and see if you can hear the
AWOS. Whether you hear the automated message or not, land at FNL and
give me a call. I will promptly drive to the airport to meet you. You
can then give me a ride in your RV over to Greeley (GXY) where we can
discuss the radios over lunch! :-) How's that for an excuse for a
cross-country!
Best regards,
Rod
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| From: | gretzw(at)tcplink.nrel.gov |
| Subject: | Question about Radios |
If I remember correctly, your radio does not show the last 5 khz, but
it does transmit there. If you select 121.47, your radio will transmit
on 121.475. You just don't have to select the last number. Check you
radio manual, it should be in there.
Warren Gretz
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-List: Question about Radios
Date: 10/10/96 8:43 AM
> Aircraft radios use 25 KHz spacing now.
> You could have been given a frequency of 121.475 or 121.450 or
> 121.500. If it was the later, you better be prepared to expain why!
>
> It also won't accept 123.46 (I hope) It should go 123.45, 123.475, 123.5,
> 123.025, 123.5, etc.
>
> If this was flame bait, I just bit.
>
No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
(I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
Dan Boudro
rv-4 N9167Z
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| From: | rwiebene(at)elmer.tci.com (Robert Wiebener) |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
Dan Boudro wrote:
>
>> Aircraft radios use 25 KHz spacing now.
>> You could have been given a frequency of 121.475 or 121.450 or
>> 121.500. If it was the later, you better be prepared to expain why!
>>
>> It also won't accept 123.46 (I hope) It should go 123.45, 123.475, 123.5,
>> 123.025, 123.5, etc.
>>
>> If this was flame bait, I just bit.
>>
>No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
>(I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
>In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
>cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
>xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
>radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
>purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
AOPA Pilot has a really good article about the new radio regulations. The
actual regulation that's changing is that the radios have to be capable of
.003 (.0003?) frequency tolerance or something like that. The old radios
were at .005 or .0005. The 25KHZ is not in the new regulations but if you
don't have a radio capable of it, you won't be able to listen to some
new assigned frequencies. You don't have to take the old radios out on
New Years Eve, but you can't transmit on them after then.
-- robert
Robert H. Wiebener, Jr. PP-ASEL | Internet: wiebener.robert(at)tcinc.com
III contractor at: | Phone-Net: (303) 267-4981
TCI (Denver, CO) | My opinions entirely.
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)CompuServe.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
> "CAUTION The KY96A should be powered on only after engine startup. This
> is a simple precaution which helps protect the solid state circuitry
> and extends the operating life of your avionics equipment"
>>I can think of a couple of reasons. One, they're just playing it safe
>>by beinge overly paranoid. I mean, it costs them nothing to print that,
>>does it? Also, they're giving themselves a possible 'out' -- consider
>>the following hypothetical telephone conversation:
>>BENDIX: Hello, Bendix King Warranty Support.
>>YOU: Hi, my I have this KY96 radio and it just died.
>>BENDIX: Did you crank the engine with the radio on?
>>>> YOU: Does it matter?
>>>> BENDIX: Well . . . we've hear that some airplanes will
really kill some radios . ..
>>>> YOU: Is your product tested to DO-160 for installation
into certified airplanes?
>>>> BENDIX: Of course! we only sell the best.
>>>> YOU: Well, the "best" just died . . . what are we going
to do about it.
The important point here is NOT that an airplane does
or does not have a master avionics switch. The presense
of a single switch may improve the chances of getting
all radios turned off but I can't count the number of
times I've climed into a rented airplane to find all
avoinics AND the avionics master switch ON. You cannot
improve on the quality of any product or action based
upon INSPECTION . . . potential for problems must be
designed out. That's precisely what DO-160, TSO's, etc.
have done . . . We've got to get rid of our myths and
dragons . . . especially the ones that are now pushing
30 years old! You guys are building the most technologically
advanced airplanes in history. Know what the goals are,
ask the questions, shun products that don't make the
cut. Be a smart consumer . . .
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection
*********************************
* Go ahead, make my day . . . *
* Show me where I'm wrong. *
*********************************
72770.552(at)compuserve.com
http://www.aeroelectric.com
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)CompuServe.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Techno-wiennie talk . . . |
> I can think of a couple of reasons. One, they're just playing it safe
> by beinge overly paranoid.
>>>A 172 at a club where I used to teach had most of the radios in the
>>>panel fail after a club member cranked with the panel on. Maybe it
>>>was an unusually large inductive spike produced by the starter, (big
>>>motor--big coil) but they all failed and it never happened again
>>>after they were repaired or replaced. Of course everyone in the
>>>club was scared into operational compliance after seeing the bill.
I'll bet the alternator surged instead and a famous Cessna ov
protection system failed to react. That's the ONLY way you kill
a panel full of radios in one fell-swoop. This still goes right
to the points I've brought forward. There's no replacement for
good design, preventative maintenance and knowlegable operation.
SpamCan pilots are educated in the padded cockpit environment
of FAA designed flight instruction (with close to zero systems
education) and an attitude which suggests that the pilot's operating
handbook is all you have to know.
This is why I've suggested that the amateur-built aircraft industry
has to become BETTER than CBP&M ever were . . . we already are in
many respects but there's a long way to go.
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection
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* Show me where I'm wrong. *
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http://www.aeroelectric.com
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)CompuServe.COM> |
Bob,
Do you sell headset/intercom type plugs or know of a good source. Also, some
plugs like the u-172/u and u-172/u types. These are the ones on mikes for
headsets and military helmets. I am trying to make an adapter for a helmet with
a commercial mike.
Thanks.
Tim Etherington
tjetheri(at)cca.rockwell.com
Tim, There are a few folk who advertise military surplus equipment
and parts but far fewer than 20 years ago. I think I may have two
catalogs when I used to have dozens. I'll suggest you cut off
the original connectors and put on new ones that mate with
devices that are easily procured. That's what I do . . . .
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection
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* Go ahead, make my day . . . *
* Show me where I'm wrong. *
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72770.552(at)compuserve.com
http://www.aeroelectric.com
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (Chat) Art Chard visit |
>Bob you rat. I didn't know you were sneaking off at night and getting all
>that extra instruction. It's no wonder you did so well in class at the
>clinic. While the rest of us were looking for some decent food and watching
>TV, you were over at Art's having a ball.
>Not Fair! Mal rvbildr(at)aol.com
Mal, I felt a little guilty at the time, but I'm over it now. I already
had the tail group and the wings done when I went to the class so a lot of
the things we covered were old hat. As you know, it took some work to pry
knowledge out of Art because he's kind of quiet and laid-back. One on one
though, you could pry a lot of knowledge out of him.
Anyway, it was a great experience. I got to hang around RV people all
week, made some new friends and, no matter how much you think you know,
there are always people around who can teach you something new. BTW, I
didn't get to haul my fuselage kit home. Even though I wrote the same
letter to two different people at Van's concerning picking up my fuselage
kit and bringing it home after the class, it arrived here two days before I
took off for North Plains. So, because of their mistake, Van's picked up
the tab for freight and on the way back I could use my rear view mirror:)
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
>No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
>(I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
>In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
>cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
>xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
>radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
>purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
>
>Dan Boudro
>rv-4 N9167Z
Dan,
When you're given a frequency of 121.025, can you tune your radio to
121.02? If so, then you are dialing in 121.025. Right??? This is how my
TKM operates. There is a button that you press to switch it to .025 spacing
but there are only two decimal places displayed. Bob Skinner RV-6
BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | Robert Moore <bobmoore(at)wwd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
Dan Boudro wrote:
> No, this was a legitmate question. The numbers I used were not important
> (I thought) so I choose 123456789 as an example. Sorry for the confusion.
> In the response above you mention 121.475 and 123.475 and 123.025. I
> cannot dial in a xxx.xxx frequency, my KX125 only allows me to dial in
> xxx.xx frequencies. My question was should I be thinking about a new
> radio that can dial xxx.xxx frequencies? They did mention something about
> purple airplanes not being allowed in their airspace.
I got in here late, so I don't know what specific radio is being discussed,
but all modern radios either show all three numbers after the decimal point
or show only two numbers with a switch nearby on the panel to select the third
unseen number to a 5 or a 0. If the third number is selected to show 5 then
the second number will be a 2 or a 7. If the third number is selected to show 0,
the the second number will be 0 or 5.
Bob Moore
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| From: | ernstrm(at)alpha.hendrix.edu (Richard Ernst) |
| Subject: | Re: aileron/flap interference |
A followup to my posting of yesterday:
>My other aileron interference issue concerns contact between the outboard
>aileron mount (the part that is riveted to the wing) and the bottom bolt
>that attaches the outboard aileron bracket to the aileron. This contact
>limits the up aileron travel. The solution I came up with, and that I
>found mentioned once or twice in the archives, is to grind a depression in
>the aileron mount to accept the bolt. Is this what most people have done?
A few replies indicated agreement with this idea of grinding the mount, and
indeed I've seen some RVs with ground mounts. A call to Van's and a reply
from Dan Boudro, however, urge NOT grinding the aluminum mount because of
strength issues. That's good enough for me. In my case, the bolt sits a
bit high because it sits on a washer; the hole in the bracket is a bit too
close to the radius in the bracket bend, so a ground washer seats the bolt
better against the bracket. Van's suggested, in fact, to grind a radius on
the bolt because the strength of the steel bolt is far in excess of what's
really needed. I'll probably just redo the steel aileron brackets to get
the bolts lower so they don't interfere with the mount.
As for the other issue:
>The inboard leading edge of the flaps (i.e., the sheet metal overhang that
>contacts the wing top skin) touches the aileron push-pull tube when the
>flaps are fully retracted. This is clearly unacceptable. I can either
>trim the flap, or move the push-pull tube rod end outboard by switching the
>spacer and the washer that hold the rod end in position. Has anyone had
>this problem and chosen one or the other solutions?
Van's suggested trimming the flap skin at a 45 degree angle if need be to
maintain 1/4" clearance throughout the range of flap and aileron travel.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard M. Ernst ernstrm(at)alpha.hendrix.edu
Department of Physics office: (501) 450-3808
Hendrix College
1600 Washington Ave.
Conway, AR 72032-3080
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| From: | csanchez(at)BayNetworks.com (Cheryl Sanchez) |
| Subject: | Stainless steel exhaust studs? |
I noticed that Aircraft Spruce is offering stainless steel
exhaust studs. Has anyone tried them? When I was talking to my mechanic
the other day about the piston pin service bulletin(my engine is not
on the list) I asked about this. He said that the exhaust studs do get
corroded over time.
Cheryl Sanchez
csanchez(at)world.std.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Location |
<< I thought that incoming air would force the door open in case of a
failure. I
was wrong. (stuff cut) My cooler is mounted on the left front, horizontal
baffle.
(stuff cut)
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
>>
For the first six years of flying, I had a O-290 Lyc. in my RV-3.
I originally mounted my oil cooler in the same location. The oil cooler had
a pin hole leak, and I had a trace of oil that came UP from the cooler and
FORWARD to the cowl inlet.
I change the location to the left rear corner of the engine. I had to block
the lower area across six of the seven rows of cooling fins on the front side
of the cooler, and half of the top row on the rear of the cooler in order to
let the oil get to 85 degrees c. (There is a 1/4" gap between the blocking
plate and the fin surface.)
I prefer the aft location. All of the line runs are shorter, and more
direct. The only drawback is a slight one in mounting the cooler directly to
the rear baffling (straight engine mount). I beleive the dynafocal mount
makes it more difficult.
Jim Ayers
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
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| From: | willsm(at)manta.nosc.mil (Mike Wills) |
Dick,
Copperstate has a web site
http://www.primenet.com/~eaa_ariz
The schedule I got from the web says that Van will be presenting an RV Forum
Saturday at 11:00. Several other RV related forums including alternative
engines by David Atkins and also by Powersport.
Van is scheduled to perform an airshow act in the RV-4, but no days/times
are given for that.
Mike Wills
RV-4 (building wings)
willsm(at)manta.nosc.mil
>
>My server was messed up for almost a month and I was off the list for that
>time so might have missed some "Copperstate" discussions. Is Van going to
>be represented? My main purpose in going (Friday) will be to bum a ride in
>a RV. Think I will be successful?
>Thanks for your help.
>Dick McNaney dmcnane@huachuca-sec1.army.mil
>
>
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| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
Thanks Bob! I didn't know that!
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
Albuquerque, NM
dboudro(at)nmia.com
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| From: | Dan Boudro <dboudro(at)nmia.com> |
Tomorrow, early I'm off to that flyin at Mesa, AZ. I think it is IWA.
If anyone from the list is there PLEASE stop and say hello! A friend
is meeting me there for dinner Sat. He has a RV-4 and is building a
rocket, your welcome to join us. His RV-4 is bright red N22KP, mine
is purple :-)
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
Albuquerque, NM
dboudro(at)nmia.com
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| From: | "Richard Chandler" <mauser(at)Claris.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devices. |
I guess my main concern would be, how can you land with full throttle, except
by killing the engine and gliding? It might be a little easier if you got
stuck in cruise. Maybe you need a blip button on the stick? :-)
Some things can't be made with emergency backups, so we have no choice but to
makes them as strong, safe, and durable as we can, and check them diligently
at preflight and inspection time.
Actually, we should do that with every part of an airplane, but you know what
I'm driving at.
--
(Sorry Randall, no more room for the Yakko Warner quote)
Richard Chandler
RV-6: Garage bought, saving for tools and tail kit (Christmas?).
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| From: | Dr John Cocker <jcocker(at)medhumor.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devises. |
It seems to me that if the throttle cable should come detached, or fail in
some way, having the throttle go to full open would be a lot better than
going to idle. You can always control the speed, and the descent with the
mag switches,, which is what they did in the good old days with the big
rotary engines.
John
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| From: | "Richard Chandler" <mauser(at)Claris.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: More PLEASE READ |
> This is a very good example of why the reply field should be set to
> the original sender, *not* the rv-list.
But what came out of the previous discussion was a far more important reason
to have the list the way it is: So that more experienced hands can catch and
correct dangerous and potentially deadly bad advice posted in response to
someone's request. Possibly saving someone's life, and protecting the
reputation of Van's fine aircraft is a very small price to pay for the very
occasional bit of spam.
Another reason was so that everyone, including those who had not asked the
question, could benefit from the discussion.
--
(Sorry Randall, no more room for the Yakko Warner quote)
Richard Chandler
RV-6: Garage bought, saving for tools and tail kit (Christmas?).
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| From: | Scott.Fink(at)Microchip.COM (Scott Fink) |
I'll be there Friday afternoon, have to go to Indy Sat morning for a
wedding, otherwise would have gone then. I work about 10 miles from
IWA, so I'll take a VERY long lunch ;-). I look forward to seeing
your planes.
Scott Fink
RV6
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Subject: RV-List: Mesa, AZ
Date: 10/10/96 1:13 PM
Tomorrow, early I'm off to that flyin at Mesa, AZ. I think it is IWA.
If anyone from the list is there PLEASE stop and say hello! A friend
is meeting me there for dinner Sat. He has a RV-4 and is building a
rocket, your welcome to join us. His RV-4 is bright red N22KP, mine is
purple :-)
Dan Boudro
RV-4 N9167Z
Albuquerque, NM
dboudro(at)nmia.com
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| From: | Chris Ruble <cruble(at)cisco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stainless steel exhaust studs? |
Brass nuts are another solution to rusty exhaust studs.
Chris
cruble(at)cisco.com
>
> I noticed that Aircraft Spruce is offering stainless steel
> exhaust studs. Has anyone tried them? When I was talking to my mechanic
> the other day about the piston pin service bulletin(my engine is not
> on the list) I asked about this. He said that the exhaust studs do get
> corroded over time.
>
> Cheryl Sanchez
> csanchez(at)world.std.com
>
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Location |
< I thought that incoming air would force the door open in case of a
>failure. I was wrong. (stuff cut) My cooler is mounted on the left
front, horizontal baffle.
> (stuff cut)
> Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
>For the first six years of flying, I had a O-290 Lyc. in my RV-3.
>
>I originally mounted my oil cooler in the same location. The oil cooler had
>a pin hole leak, and I had a trace of oil that came UP from the cooler and
>FORWARD to the cowl inlet.
>
>I change the location to the left rear corner of the engine. I had to block
>the lower area across six of the seven rows of cooling fins on the front side
>of the cooler, and half of the top row on the rear of the cooler in order to
>let the oil get to 85 degrees c. (There is a 1/4" gap between the blocking
>plate and the fin surface.)
>
>I prefer the aft location. All of the line runs are shorter, and more
>direct. The only drawback is a slight one in mounting the cooler directly to
>the rear baffling (straight engine mount). I beleive the dynafocal mount
>makes it more difficult.
>
>Jim Ayers
>LesDrag(at)aol.com
>Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
Jim, I considered this location, as well. With the dynafocal mount, I would
have had to make an offset attach bracket to mount the oil cooler. Also, I
worried about taking cooling air away from #4 cylinder as this cylinder
usually runs the hottest, from what I've gathered. I would also have been
in the way of mag work etc. On the front, left baffle, it's pretty much out
of the way, puts a little more weight forward and made it easier to
fabricate a cockpit controlable air entry door. Cost a little more for the
extra hose, though. Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | DerFlieger(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
Dan Boudrou writes:
<< >Last time I took a trip I was given a frequency by Denver
>approach I couldn't accept 121.455. My new K125 can only
>accept 123.45 or 123.46. Are we going to need to buy
>new radios again? Have I missed something here?
>
>Dan Boudro
>RV-4 N9167Z
>Albuquerque, NM
>dboudro(at)nmia.com >>
Dan, there is an excellent article in the newest AOPA PILOT magazine on the
subject. Basically they are illegal for transmitting after Jan 1, 1997, but
can be used for receiving. A placard is recommended "TRANSMIT ONLY". A few
of the manufacturers can perform an upgrade for you.
Regards, Jim Stugart Derflieger(at)aol.com
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I would like to know what other RV owners pay for insurance.
I pay $ 247.52 per year for a non flying aircraft, with Avemco ins co.
The city Tallahassee requires $ 100000.00 property damage for thier hanger,
and I have $ 8000.00 aircraft hull damage.
I plan to increase the insured value to $ 25000.00 as the plane
is now in the finishing kit stage.
With Florida having Hurricanes,California earthquakes,and the mid-west
Tornados, I wonder if I am paying more or less than other owners
in diffrent locations.
CRAIG HIERS
RV-4 N143CH
FINISHING THE BRAKES
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Location |
George Orndorf had a problem with his oil cooler mounted on the
left rear baffle and the lines are long going up front. Anyone like
the oil cooler mounted on the right firewall?
Bob Lovering
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| From: | EBundy2620(at)aol.com |
<< Ed,
Do you use any lock-tite or similar substance on the allen screws?
Al prober@iwaynet
>>
Yes, put a drop of green (wicking type) locktite on the screw threads and on
the cable after installation.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Which Engine |
How fa$$t do you want to go?
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| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devices. |
<< I guess my main concern would be, how can you land with full throttle,
except
by killing the engine and gliding? It might be a little easier if you got
stuck in cruise. Maybe you need a blip button on the stick? :-)
>>
Having experienced this myself with the Lyc. O-290 engine installation. The
mixture control works very well in making digital power available, i.e. full
power, or no power. (If you switch the mags off and on, you'll probably get
a backfire from the raw gas in the cylinders and exhaust pipes.)
Rocky was really upset with my landing, when this happened. From his
position, he said I landed on the numbers, on the centerline, AND made the
first high speed turn-off (which he had never been able to make in his RV-3)
Actually, I just barely made it to the first turn-off. It's amazing how
those little problems focus your concentration. (Of course, my mouth was so
dry I couldn't hardly talk to the tower.)
The LOM engine throttle linkage comes from the factory with a spring loading
for full throttle. The LOM engine also comes with all of the baffling, for
what it's worth.
Jim Ayers
LOM M332A RV-3 N47RV Maroon Marauder
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
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| From: | chester razer <crazer(at)egyptian.net> |
Finish kit arrived today, 136 days from order to delivery.
$222.00 to S. Illinois
--
Chet Razer
crazer(at)egyptian.net
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| From: | chester razer <crazer(at)egyptian.net> |
Finish kit arrived today, 136 days from order to delivery.
$222.00 to S. Illinois
--
Chet Razer
crazer(at)egyptian.net
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| From: | barnhart(at)a.crl.com (Dave Barnhart) |
| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinders |
Gary A. Sobek wrote:
>Better check your Superior Kit again. I installed 4 new Superior cylinder
>kits a year ago and I had neat wrist pins come with mine.
To quote the Mattituck add in Trade-A-Plane:
"Superior Power Assembly Includes:
- Cylinder with valves installed
- Piston and rings
- Rocker shafts
- Gasket set"
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
barnhart(at)a.crl.com
rv-6 sn 23744
Fitting the sliding canopy
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| From: | BPattonsoa(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Vans and the Engine recall (chatter) |
I ordered a 0-360 from Vans on my birthday last month. This monday I got a
notice from them that they had the engine in stock and just send a great big
check to finish the invoice (included a prop and governor). I dropped the
check in the mail that night.
Tuesday I didn't get to the list. Wend. night the first thing I read is that
new engines are bad!
Today I called Vans and was reminded of one of the reasons why I wish he
would run for President. They had just had gotten word of the notice, and
had 9 motors on the shelf. They said they would not be shipping them out
until this was figured out, as they did not have the full list of SN. While
I was talking to Barbara about what to do with my BIG check, Tom came back on
the line.
They had gotten the complete list that morning and the guy had just finshed
checking out their stock. Three of the motors made the list, six were ok.
Tom put my name on one of the good ones, and I am back to being a poor but
happy camper.
They don't know what they will be doing with the bad ones, ship back to the
factory, or what, but they will hold them. They are deeply upset about all
the people that they sold "bad" engines to, despite it not being their fault
at all.
Bruce Patton
Back on track to hang the motor next month!!!
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Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of the author,
and not neccesarily those of WNA and/or it's employees.
| From: | wbgroup(at)cis.co.za (waks & brady-brian hitchings) |
| Subject: | Re: Which Engine |
>How fa$$t do you want to go?
>
Point taken!!!!
I live in South Africa, where our currency is verrry lightweight : R4.54
buys one Americn Dollar. So any price is automatically muliplied by 4.54.
That said, I would like to cruise at above 180 mph at 75% power.
There is a Lycoming 0-320 (150 hp) (condition unknown) that I can get
comparitively cheaply, but am concerned that it might be under-powered.
Thanks
Brian Hitchings
RV-6A Empennage>
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Location |
>George Orndorf had a problem with his oil cooler mounted on the
>left rear baffle and the lines are long going up front. Anyone like
>the oil cooler mounted on the right firewall?
>
>Bob Lovering
>
I have my oil cooler located on the right firewall with a 3`inch hose
feeding it from the right rear baffle. I installed an adjustable inlet door
on the baffle and am able to control my oil temp in the winter.
This installation is easy as I just riveted 2 angles to the firewall and
bolted the cooler on. It keeps the cooler away from some of the vibrations
and takes the strain off the baffles.
Works for me!
Tom Martin
RV-4
the RaVen
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| From: | Harold Sutphin <hsutphin(at)magicnet.net> |
In the engine compartment, a mechanical means of safetying is preferred
due to the heat. A metal self locking nut or cotter key or safety wire.
Loctite, and fiber or plastic locking nuts are not recommended. Check AC
43-13 or the FARS to be sure.
Harold
RV-6A
aol.com!EBundy2620(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
>
> << Ed,
> Do you use any lock-tite or similar substance on the allen screws?
> Al prober@iwaynet
> >>
>
> Yes, put a drop of green (wicking type) locktite on the screw threads and on
> the cable after installation.
>
> Ed
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| From: | Rick Osgood <Rick(at)ccc.henn.tec.mn.us> |
| Subject: | Flap control arm |
I need advice .... (who doesnt') I have just finished both flaps but
have yet to squeeze the 606B and 606C pieces to the 606A piece already
riveted to the spar. My concern is, when I cut out the 606B I did not
square off the end that attaches to the 606A, but instead, just tapered
the piece down to the correct width at the other end. I have the
required distance to the rivet holes and the piece appears strong (tough
as hell to bend to the angle required)
Should I redo these or do you think they are OK.
Thanks to all
Rick RV6A wings (preparing to hibernate soon)
--
Rick(at)ccc.henn.tec.mn.us
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| From: | DerFlieger(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question about Radios |
lawyernet.com!rwoodard(at)matronics.com writes:
<< I can tune this freq. on my KX-155 with no problem.
The radio display, however, only shows two digits to the right of the
decimal... i.e. 135.075 = 135.07. >>
Rod, If I am not mistaken (and I could be) the KX155 will show the third
digit if you pull out on the freq. knob.
Jim Stugart Derflieger(at)aol.com
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
>In the engine compartment, a mechanical means of safetying is preferred
>due to the heat. A metal self locking nut or cotter key or safety wire.
>Loctite, and fiber or plastic locking nuts are not recommended. Check AC
>43-13 or the FARS to be sure.
>
>Harold
>RV-6A
On the "B" nut, there is really no way to safety the allen head set screw
so probably the best a guy can do is use some locktite. The "B" nut does
attach to the mixture control arm with a cotter key. I guess, if there is a
weak link in the "B" nut system, it would be the set screw that clamps the
wire. However, the mixture "B" nut has a fairly large set screw and the
wire sits in a "V" in the fitting, so I think clamping pressure should be
adequate. You could always install a "locking collar" fore and aft of the
mixture control arm in case the "B" nut set screw loosens.
With a modified AN4 bolt with a drilled shank and cotter key, security
might be a little greater. However, I think you are putting a lot more
pressure on the wire in "shear" mode at two points that could possibly
increase the tendency for the wire to break, although with a diameter of
.078" on the stainless wire, that may be a emote possibility.
Either method of control attachment has worked for many years on a lot of
airplanes. Probably the best method of attachment for the mixture control
cable would be to use a cable with a threaded end and a fork fitting on the
end attached to the arm with a clevis pin and cotter pin. Then you run into
a problem of getting the exact length of cable ( a slight problem I had with
my throttle, even after measuring several times) or having to special order
(no returns and extra cost and time) a custom length cable.
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Location |
<< George Orndorf had a problem with his oil cooler mounted on the
left rear baffle and the lines are long going up front. Anyone like
the oil cooler mounted on the right firewall? >>
I know George had a problem, but most builders don't. Most of the 6s in my
area (East SF Bay) have the coolers mounted on the the left rear baffle.
Further, some are using the 3/8" ID (-6) lines to them. One guy I know in
an RV-6 with an O-360 c/s setup, left baffle mounted cooler, and 3/8" lines
went to Arizona last summer and never was even close to having a cooling
problem.
I can't explain why some builders have problems and some don't. Science
should be the same for all observers. The only observation that I can offer
is that there must be other contributing variables which have a greater
contribution to the equation.
FWIW I have mine mounted on the left rear baffle, am running 1/2" (-8) lines
and will be providing a hinged rear blocking plate actuated by a locking
cable control for when I fly it to BC or AK. We will see if it works when I
fly it this Spring.
Vive le difference,
Gary VanRemortel
vanremog(at)aol.com
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| From: | Greg Bordelon <greg(at)brokersys.com> |
waks & brady-brian hitchings[SMTP:cis.co.za!wbgroup(at)matronics.com] wrote:
>>How fa$$t do you want to go?
>>
>Point taken!!!!
>
>I live in South Africa, where our currency is verrry lightweight : R4.54
>buys one Americn Dollar. So any price is automatically muliplied by 4.54.
>
>That said, I would like to cruise at above 180 mph at 75% power.
>
>There is a Lycoming 0-320 (150 hp) (condition unknown) that I can get
>comparitively cheaply, but am concerned that it might be under-powered.
>Thanks
>
>Brian Hitchings
>RV-6A Empennage>
>
>
My friend Rob Lee has an 0320 with a constant speed prop. We routinely take
off in 500ft, cruise at 145 to 155kts ground speed (don't care about
airspeed) and climb out faster than we want to. I don't think it's
under-powered. I think you can achieve your goal with an 0320.
Greg Bordelon
greg(at)brokersys.com
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| From: | EBundy2620(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Oil cooler / Lycoming bulletin |
<< Jim, I considered this location, as well. With the dynafocal mount, I
would
have had to make an offset attach bracket to mount the oil cooler. Also, I
worried about taking cooling air away from #4 cylinder as this cylinder
usually runs the hottest, from what I've gathered. I would also have been
in the way of mag work etc. On the front, left baffle, it's pretty much out
of the way, puts a little more weight forward and made it easier to
fabricate a cockpit controlable air entry door. Cost a little more for the
extra hose, though. Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
>>
I have spoken with some folks that mounted the oil cooler on the firewall. I
guess this was pretty standard for awhile. That's the way I did mine. It's
easy to mount, the hose runs are short, and it's easy to mount a door on it.
Well, my engine is on the Lycoming list, my mechanic was upset with me for
buying a new engine because he thought he wouldn't see me as often. Some
added info for those that don't know, even if your engine is on the list
doesn't necessarily mean that it has the bad pins. They have to be inspected
to know for sure.
My mechanic is a real sport; he ordered the new pins (and new base gaskets)
so I can bring it in and have it back the same day. The cylinders only have
to pulled to the skirt of the piston (all of the rings stay in the clyinder
so if you've already broken the engine in you won't have to install new
rings) and it should be a pretty simple fix.
Gee, I thought I spent all of that money on a new engine to AVOID things like
this.
Ed Bundy
ebundy2620(at)aol.com
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A few clean RV jokes (chatter) |
Van is out playing golf with a minister and a doctor friend. They are
waiting and waiting and waiting behind 4 guys (seemingly from the Murphy
Aircraft factory) who repeatedly miss the ball, then hit it wildly, often
only a few feet, then wander around and finally continue. They've been
waiting about 30 minutes and still these guys haven't finished the first
hole.
Finally the trio go to the club and complain. The manager is very patient
and nods his head and says, "Yes, we know this group-they're the blind
firemen."
He goes on to explain, "Remember the big fire two months ago? The firemen
came and very heroically saved the clubhouse from being burned to the ground
but at the last moment there was an explosion and four of them became blinded
horribly. Of course we're so grateful to them that we let them play on the
course for free."
The minister nods knowingly and says, "I'll remember them in my prayers."
The doctor looks thoughtful and then says, "I'll mention this to an
opthamologist I know who might be able to help them." Van shakes his head
and says, "Why can't they play at night?"
**************************************************************************
I went to a bookstore today, and asked the manager (who used to work at
Van's) where the self-help section was, hoping to get some new insight on how
to build my RV. She said, 'If I told you where it was, that would defeat the
whole purpose.'
**************************************************************************
Engineers think that equations approximate the real world.
Scientists think that the real world approximates equations.
RV builders are unable to make the connection.
**************************************************************************
A Mathematician, a Biologist and an RV builder are sitting in a street cafe
watching people going in and coming out of the house on the other side of the
street.
First they see two people going into the house. Time passes. After a while
they notice three persons coming out of the house.
The RV builder's conclusion: "The measurement wasn't accurate."
The Biologist: "They have reproduced".
The Mathematician: "If exactly one person now enters the house, then it will
be empty again."
**************************************************************************
In some foreign country a priest, a lawyer and an RV builder are about to be
guillotined for various crimes against the people.
The priest puts his head on the block, they pull the rope and nothing happens
--he declares that he's been saved by divine intervention -- so he's let go.
The lawyer is put on the block, and again the blade fails to drop--he claims
he can't be executed twice for the same crime--and he is also set free.
They grab the RV builder and shove his head into the guillotine, he looks up
at the release mechanism and says, "Wait a minute, I see the problem...."
And so it goes, Happy building everyone!
Gary VanRemortel
vanremog(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | Anyone care to hum along? (chatter) |
Top Signs of Net Addiction
====================
1. You wake up at 3 a.m. to go to the bathroom and stop to check your e-mail
on the way back to bed.
2. You get a tattoo that reads "This body best viewed with Netscape Navigator
1.1 or higher."
3. You name your children Eudora, Mozilla and Dotcom.
4. You turn off your modem and get this awful empty feeling, like you just
pulled the plug on a loved one.
5. You spend half of the plane trip with your laptop on your lap...and your
child in the overhead compartment.
6. You decide to stay in college for an additional year or two, just for the
free Internet access.
7. You laugh at people with 2400-baud modems.
8. You start using smileys in your snail mail.
9. Your hard drive crashes. You haven't logged in for two hours. You start to
twitch. You pick up the phone and manually dial your ISP's access number.
You try to hum to communicate with the modem. And you succeed.
Jim Ayers
LOM M332A powered RV-3 N47RV Maroon Marauder
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Thousand Oaks, California USA
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| From: | CompuServe_Mail <postmaster(at)compuserve.com> |
bounces(at)matronics.com
Message "Re: RV-List: New Sub" could not be delivered to the following recipient(s):
[70743,2727]
[72770,552]
[74620,2053]
[74664,2105]
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| From: | Michael Angiulo <mikeang(at)MICROSOFT.com> |
| Subject: | Rv-List WebPage & MS Internet Explorer Bug... |
Just FYI, Microsoft has heard this report loud and clear and is
currently working on it. I think that's why they hired me - "Mike, we
want you to build an RV so you can lurk on mailing lists and hear bug
reports from users." What a job...
>----------
>From: dralle(at)matronics.com[SMTP:dralle(at)matronics.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 1996 9:30 PM
>To: Frank H. Pruitt
>Cc: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Rv-List WebPage & MS Internet Explorer Bug...
>
>>--------------
>>I use MS Explorer v3 and get an error indication when I attempt to access
>>the images. I have seen a message on the RV list indicating someone else
>>has experienced the same problem.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Frank H. Pruitt
>>--------------
>
>
>Frank and anyone using the Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.0:
>
>As you have pointed out, there is a problem viewing the graphics images and
>movies on the RV-List Homepage (http://www.matronics.com/rv-list) with the
>MS IE 3.0. I have just tried it myself and receive a bogus error:
>
> "Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site
>
> ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/business/matronics/Scans/896fs-2.jpg
>
> The server returned extended information"
>
>I happen to have a previous version of IE (pre 3.0) and it had no problem
>with HREFs in this format. Also, Netscape 3.0 has no problems.
>
>Sooo, this appears to be a bug in IE 3.0 and a pretty bad one at that. I
>have reported this to Microsoft via their EI Bug Report Form, but one voice
>may not be enough. If you are using EI (or even if you're not), please
>go to:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/ie/support/report/ie_report.htm
>
>and fill out the bug report form describing the problem as described above.
>It seems increadable to me that they could let something like this slip
>through, but...
>
>Sorry to bore the List with this, but it is 'sort of' List related...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-List Admin.
>Matronics
>
>
>--
>
>Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>510-606-1001 Voice | 510-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| From: | CompuServe_Mail <postmaster(at)compuserve.com> |
bounces(at)matronics.com
From: "David Drew" <noeldrew(at)iafrica.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:05:39 +0200
Subject: Re: RV-List: New Sub
Greetings to the Zimbabweans.
Another RV in Africa and a 6 at that!
For what it is worth, ZU-APF has a Sensenich from Van's and while it
normally relishes the dense air of Durban I have made two trips to
Johannesburg in relatively hot weather and have experienced your
7500 ft density altitude. With the O320 only giving 2170 rpm at
climb and takeoff, the performance is still more than adequate
providing 800fpm at gross. On the first trip I escorted Jon
Johanson to the Reef and he also uses the metal Sensenich and is very
happy with his choice. Other builders in South Africa have flown in my
plane and a few have also decided to go metal. Two of them are
however fitting Hartzell CS.
I don't know about the relative noise but it runs very smoothly and I
believe it is efficient. None of this comment is intended to down-play
wood or the luxury of a CS but merely to confirm my satisfaction with
my choice. It gives me a 150 knot cruise at 2380 rpm and sport
aerobatics do not seem to be a problem.
For information, we could see another two South African RVs in the
air within the next 12 months.
Noel Drew
RV6 ZU-APF
noeldrew(at)iafrica.com
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| From: | jatwell(at)ksc11.th.com |
I am looking for some pilots in Australia. I was building a RV-6, and RV-4
in Phoenix, AZ, but took a two year assignment with my company in Bangkok
Thailand. It has been a rough life not being able to work on the planes.
I am planning to vacation some place down under this winter (Feb./Mar), and
would like to contact some pilots there.
If anyone knows of any pilots there which might like to show a US pilot
around their land from above, please email me their name and info. Please
reply to my e-mail.
My address is:
jatwell(at)ksc11.th.com
Or, if you would feel better, send them my name and address and let them get
in contact with me.
From:
CP-HEIL, Mike Atwell
Bang Pa-In Industrial Estate
661 Moo 2 Udomsorayut Rd.
Bang Pa-In, Ayutthaya 13160 Thailand
Wk (6635) 221-090 THRU 098
Fax (6635)221-099 Yes the numbers are correct.
Hm (662) 997-2052
jatwell.ksc11(at)th.com
Also if any RVer's are in town (Bangkok), and need a tour guide I would be
glad to show you around, since I will not be at the airport. No General
Aviation; Not a good life.
Thank you in advance for any contacts.
Mike Atwell
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| From: | DMCooke <dmcooke(at)rand.nidlink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few clean RV jokes (chatter) |
aol.com!Vanremog(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
"Wait a minute, I see the problem...."
Thanks for the great jokes Gary. We laughed our heads off.
Dave Cooke
dmcooke(at)rand.nidlink.com
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| From: | Dr John Cocker <jcocker(at)medhumor.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug nuts, and other "FAIL SAFE" devices. |
If the choice is :
1. having the throttle go to idle, then making a forced landing, or
2. flying full throttle to an airport, then turning off the engine,
with a good chance of being able to re-start,
the decision is easy.
As for the engine backfiring when the mags switches are flipped, that would
be the least of my worries. I flip the mags off and on every time I stop
the engine, just to check they are working, and after twenty years it paid
off, the engine kept running one day last year, even with the mags off. It
turned out the ground wire had become detached on one of them.
John
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| From: | Jeff Greening <jsg(at)sierra.net> |
I am on gear with engine mounted and feathers finished. Working on cowl
& engine sytems.
I found the "RV-LIST" through "Van's" page & Hogan.
Jeff
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| From: | bcos(at)ix.netcom.com (William Costello ) |
You wrote:
>
>I am on gear with engine mounted and feathers finished. Working on cowl
>& engine sytems.
>
>I found the "RV-LIST" through "Van's" page & Hogan.
>
>Jeff
>
Welcome to the list, Jeff. Be sure to share some of your experience.
Best regards,
Bill Costello
bcos(at)ix.netcom.com
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| From: | RV4Brown(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Electric Aileron Trim Installation |
I would like to have a five minute conversation with someone who has
previously installed Electric Aileron Trim on an RV Project. I have a couple
of questions. My previous post pertaining to electrical cable routing
received "No Response".
Please respond privately to RV4Brown(at)AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Access Plates |
| From: | Mike Kukulski <kukulski(at)kewlaid.highfiber.com> |
I have completed painting my wings, and need only to close up the tanks
before taking them out to the airport. I'd like to know how other listers
have sealed up their access covers and fuel senders.
1. Did you just use cork gaskets as supplied with the senders - if so,
was the gasket sufficient to prevent leaks, especially through the attach
screw holes?
2. I have also heard concerns about the need to keep the tanks with cork
gaskets full of fuel to keep the gaskets from drying out and shrinking -
valid concern or no?
3. Is anyone skipping the cork gaskets and using another gasket material?
4. Is anyone supplementing gaskets with ProSeal or another type sealer?
5. Is anyone dropping the use of gaskets altogether and just using a
sealer?
I appreciate any inputs - I really don't want leaks, but still want to
retain the flexibility of removing the tanks and the covers/senders if
required.
Ready to start canopy fabrication.
Mike Kukulski
kukulski(at)highfiber.com
RV-4 N96MK
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Access Plates |
>I have completed painting my wings, and need only to close up the tanks
>before taking them out to the airport. I'd like to know how other listers
>have sealed up their access covers and fuel senders.
>
>1. Did you just use cork gaskets as supplied with the senders - if so,
>was the gasket sufficient to prevent leaks, especially through the attach
>screw holes?
>2. I have also heard concerns about the need to keep the tanks with cork
>gaskets full of fuel to keep the gaskets from drying out and shrinking -
>valid concern or no?
>3. Is anyone skipping the cork gaskets and using another gasket material?
>4. Is anyone supplementing gaskets with ProSeal or another type sealer?
>5. Is anyone dropping the use of gaskets altogether and just using a
>sealer?
>
>I appreciate any inputs - I really don't want leaks, but still want to
>retain the flexibility of removing the tanks and the covers/senders if
>required.
>
>Ready to start canopy fabrication.
>
>Mike Kukulski
>kukulski(at)highfiber.com
>RV-4 N96MK
Mike, I used a thin cork gasket and smeared a light coating of "Fuel Lube"
on both sides of the gasket. I also filled the threads of the attach screws
with fuel lube before inserting. Same for the sending units. I believe
that a lot of builders have used Proseal, I'm sure with good results. I
just thought that if I used Proseal, that I'd have a heck of a time getting
the screws out in case of a problem. Perhaps if Proseal is used, you could
switch to allen head screws which would give you a better grip than a
Phillips in case you ever need to dis-assemble. BTW, I didn't use any of
the "pot metal" looking screws that Van's furnishes in the kit. They didn't
look very high quality and my #2 phillips bit didn't fit the screws very
well. I sure wouldn't feel comfortable using them on the tank access
covers if useing proseal.
Speaking of sender mounting. Has anyone ever removed the sender or access
plate from the tank without removing the tank? Is there room between the
tank and the fuselage? I don't think I'd be willing to ruin a paint job by
removing painted-in tank screws. Besides, my main fuel quantity indicators
are a calibrated dip stick and a stop watch.
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | Scott Gesele <scottg(at)villagenet.com> |
| Subject: | Interior Suppliers |
I have been going crazy trying to find suppliers of the materials used for
finishing the interior of my -6A. There are companies that provide kits
that include seats, sidewalls and carpets. What I am looking for is a
source for the raw materials used to make these components such as velour
sidewalls, carpeting and cloth for the seats. Local fabric stores don't
have the appropriate materials. Where have others gone to purchase these
materials?
Second, what is the correct spray adhesive to attach velour to the inside of
the cockpit? I've been told that some products can become corrosive. Any
suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
-Scott Gesele N506RV (trying to finish by the spring)
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| From: | SENGELHART(at)aol.com |
Hi all,
I am skinning my 6-A wing and need to ask the following : Does the same small
square of outboard skin that gets cut off on top where inboard skin overlaps
outboard, aft of the rear spar also get trimmed off on the bottom outboard
skin ???
Thanks in advance for any input.
Scott Engelhart
RV6-A in WI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)CompuServe.COM> |
==== excerpts from a conversation I've been having with a fellow whos rear
alternator on his 337 is "jumpy" . . . .
FROM: Robert L. Nuckolls, III, 72770.552
DATE: 10/12/96 1:11 AM
Re: Your 337 Alernator Problem
Paul,
It's been my experience that voltage instabilities of the type you describe sort
of "grow" over time . . . the condition which precipitates the problem is a
combination of little things which make it difficult and frustrating to fix.
Replacement of any one item isn't enough to calm it down. Further, it's seldom
wrapped around the failure or degradation of things like alternators and
regulators (which you've already discovered on your airplane).
A voltage regulator is a servo system . . . it senses bus voltage and adjusts
field voltage to the alternator in an attempt to keep the bus voltage constant
in spite of load, temperatures and engine rpm. A servo system is "closed loop."
For example, suppose you're leaning over a balcony rail with a golf ball hung by
a string and attempting to drop the ball in a glass 10 feet below. Your sensor
is sight, the reaction is motor output from you arm, the result (if the loop is
tightly closed) is a successful caging of the ball in the glass.
Now, lets replace the string with a long rubber band. Further, let us add a 10
knot breeze. Now, the feedback loop is not so tightly closed; hitting the
target is more a matter of chance than design. In your airplane, the voltage
sensed by the regulator has become contaminated with tiny pieces of "rubber
band" in the form of increased resistance at each electrical connection. For
example, every time a wire goes through a connector, three new joints are added
to the wire. 20+ years ago, the joints were pristine and tight, now . . . well
. . . you get the picture. It's sort of an "electrical fungus" that puts
enough degradation in each of lots of joints to add up to too much "rubber band"
for the voltage regulator to work properly.
This is one of the reasons I lean pretty hard on my homebuilders to keep the
parts count down and in particular, minimize the number of joints in wires.
Particularly high current paths and critical control paths - like sense leads to
alternator regulators. An electrical joint count for the airplanes I was
working on at Cessna back in the 60s shows something on the order of 24 joints
in the voltage regulator sense pathway only 8 of which are contained inside ov
relays and regulators. Replacing either regulator or ov relay gets you 4 new
joints out of 24. A visual inspection or even electrical performance testing
(milliohmeter) of any one joint may not show anything of interest but add up 20
years of degradation of ALL the joints and we'll find that the "rubber band"
has become too long for adequate servo control of bus voltage to take place.
I lean toward this conclusion with your airplane because your already tried the
obvious (1) alternator replacement and (2) regulator replacement. Your concerns
about the diodes becoming "leaky" are not a factor here. Silicon semiconductors
are quite stable with age and in this case, they're not part of the voltage
sense path for your rear regulator.
Try this experiment. Make temporary mounting of virtually any 28 volt
alternator regulator under the rear cowl. Attach the "bus" terminal of the
regulator to the alternator's "B" terminal via a 5 amp inline fuseholder.
Attach the "field" terminal of the regulator to the "field" terminal of the
alternator. Make sure the case of the regulator is grounded and mechanically
secure. Disconnect the existing field wire from the alternator and tie it back.
Now, you have a very simple regulator system installed that has an absolute
minimum of joints in the sense wiring. You won't be able to control the thing
from the cockpit so it will come on line as soon as you fire up the rear engine.
I think you will find that the rear system is stable and totally free of the
problems you've been fighting.
It's experience with these kinds of situations that have driven modern regulator
designs and system architectures that I recommend for my home-builder clients.
The solution for your airplane isn't simple because you're saddled with an
obligation to maintain configuration control on a certified system with
designed-in problems! Consider replacing ALL joints (the existing wires are
okay . . . wire doesn't age . . just it's connections) between the bus and the
rear alternator regulator (might as well do both front and rear while you're at
it).
This means circuit breakers, alternator field switches, all of the AMP
mate-n-lock connectors (push the pins out before you cut them off . . . the wire
will be longer), terminals, etc. Short of getting and STC or OTFA on a modern
system, you'll have to cut out all the little "rubber bands" that are adding up
to an unmanageable situation for your regulator. Make sure that the regulators
are getting good electrical connection to ground . . . if they depend on case
connections as opposed to actual ground wires, clean the metal under the
regulator and on the regulator base where it touches the airplane. Curing a
problem like this is more like a spring cleaning than an identification and
replacement of a single offending component.
I wish there were a simpler answer but short of fixing the design, this is the
only way I know . . .
Regards,
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection
*********************************
* Go ahead, make my day . . . *
* Show me where I'm wrong. *
*********************************
72770.552(at)compuserve.com
http://www.aeroelectric.com
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| From: | John McMahon <rv6(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Access Plates |
Mike Kukulski wrote:
>
> I have completed painting my wings, and need only to close up the tanks
> before taking them out to the airport. I'd like to know how other listers
> have sealed up their access covers and fuel senders.
>
> 1. Did you just use cork gaskets as supplied with the senders - if so,
> was the gasket sufficient to prevent leaks, especially through the attach
> screw holes?
> 2. I have also heard concerns about the need to keep the tanks with cork
> gaskets full of fuel to keep the gaskets from drying out and shrinking -
> valid concern or no?
> 3. Is anyone skipping the cork gaskets and using another gasket material?
> 4. Is anyone supplementing gaskets with ProSeal or another type sealer?
> 5. Is anyone dropping the use of gaskets altogether and just using a
> sealer?
>
> I appreciate any inputs - I really don't want leaks, but still want to
> retain the flexibility of removing the tanks and the covers/senders if
> required.
>
> Ready to start canopy fabrication.
>
> Mike Kukulski
> kukulski(at)highfiber.com
> RV-4 N96MK
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I TRIED TO USE CORK GASKETS, NO GOOD.
I WENT TO A RUBBER GASKET SHOP AND TOLD THEM WHAT I WAS USING IT FOR
AND THEY GAVE ME 1/8 BLACK RUBBER MATERAL ,GOOD FOR ANY FUEL!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Kukulski <kukulski(at)kewlaid.highfiber.com> |
Previously written:
>I am skinning my 6-A wing and need to ask the following : Does the same small
>square of outboard skin that gets cut off on top where inboard skin overlaps
>outboard, aft of the rear spar also get trimmed off on the bottom outboard
>skin ???
I suppose you could, and it would give a smoother finish to that seam on
the bottom. I did not do it on my wings, and it looks okay to me. The
main reason for the notched out part on the top wings is to make the
trailing edge of the skin one even line to prevent excessive scratching
of the flap leading edge.
Mike Kukulski
kukulski(at)highfiber.com
RV-4 N96MK
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Access Plates |
>I have completed painting my wings, and need only to close up the tanks
>before taking them out to the airport. I'd like to know how other listers
>have sealed up their access covers and fuel senders.
I always check my tanks before painting them. I'm not sure what I'd do if I
found a leak (never have in the skin- read on). Drill out the rivet and
re-shoot it? Major pain if they're painted....
>
>1. Did you just use cork gaskets as supplied with the senders - if so,
>was the gasket sufficient to prevent leaks, especially through the attach
>screw holes?
Sometimes. I've done it both ways, and felt better about the straight
pro-seal method. Again, I haven't had to replace any of these senders. If I
use the cork, I use gasket sealer, Permatex brand, on both sides, and on the
screws. I've only had a leak around the screws, in many sets of tanks. Screw
'em out, put on some more sealer, and screw 'em back in. No more leaks, and
it's serviceable.
>2. I have also heard concerns about the need to keep the tanks with cork
>gaskets full of fuel to keep the gaskets from drying out and shrinking -
>valid concern or no?
I think it would take several months for them to dry out, after being
full/wet for years.
>3. Is anyone skipping the cork gaskets and using another gasket material?
>4. Is anyone supplementing gaskets with ProSeal or another type sealer?
>5. Is anyone dropping the use of gaskets altogether and just using a
>sealer?
>
>I appreciate any inputs - I really don't want leaks, but still want to
>retain the flexibility of removing the tanks and the covers/senders if
>required.
>
>Ready to start canopy fabrication.
Ugh.
>
>Mike Kukulski
>kukulski(at)highfiber.com
>RV-4 N96MK
Check six!
Mark
mlfred(at)aol.com
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| From: | RAINPOOF(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RV-6 CRASH IN UTAH |
Has anyone heard what caused the RV-6 at Sky Ranch near St. George, Utah to
crash on takeoff Saturday morning bound for Copperstate. There were two
fatalities.
Jerry Engel
RV-6a
Rainpoof(at)aol.com
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| From: | rwoodard(at)lawyernet.com |
| Subject: | Interior Suppliers |
>>Scott asked about suppliers for raw materials to do the interior of
his airplane<<
Scott:
I re-vamped the interior of my Cherokee 140 a couple of years ago. My
sister sewed commercially for a Van conversion company at the time so
she had the equipment and expertise to "assemble" the seat covers and
sidewalls. I was able to order certified materials from a company called
Airtex Products, Inc. You of course wouldn't need the certified
materials for a homebuilt, but the prices weren't all that much higher
than a regular upholstery shop. Order their fabric selection guide for
$3.00 and pick your colors!
Their info. is as follows:
Airtex Products, Inc.
259 Lower Morrisville Road
Fallsington, PA 19054-1494
Fax (800)394-1247 or (215)295-4417
Voice (215)295-4115
Rod Woodard RWoodard(at)lawyernet.com RV-8, #80033
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| From: | Todd <tmrv6(at)pop.erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Access Plates |
>I have completed painting my wings, and need only to close up the tanks
>before taking them out to the airport. I'd like to know how other listers
>have sealed up their access covers and fuel senders.
>
>1. Did you just use cork gaskets as supplied with the senders - if so,
>was the gasket sufficient to prevent leaks, especially through the attach
>screw holes?
>2. I have also heard concerns about the need to keep the tanks with cork
>gaskets full of fuel to keep the gaskets from drying out and shrinking -
>valid concern or no?
>3. Is anyone skipping the cork gaskets and using another gasket material?
>4. Is anyone supplementing gaskets with ProSeal or another type sealer?
>5. Is anyone dropping the use of gaskets altogether and just using a
>sealer?
>
>I appreciate any inputs - I really don't want leaks, but still want to
>Mike Kukulski
>kukulski(at)highfiber.com
>RV-4 N96MK
>
>
Mike,
I used the cork gaskets smeared with fuellube. My senders
are Westach capacitance type. I used a rubber/fiber gasket material for my
access plate, also smeared with fuellube. I replaced my phillips head screws
with stainless allen head screws. No leaks......knock on aluminum.. Fuellube
is a fantastic sealer.
Bob, I had to replace my right sender before my test flight and did
so without removing the tank.
Todd RV-6 N92TM tmrv6(at)erols.com
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| From: | OrndorffG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Interior Suppliers |
Scott,
give me a call at (817)439-3280 Becki and I have a complete interior kit and
seats or we can supply you with everything you need...George Orndorff
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| From: | Scott Gesele <scottg(at)villagenet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap control arm |
>I need advice .... (who doesnt') I have just finished both flaps but
>have yet to squeeze the 606B and 606C pieces to the 606A piece already
>riveted to the spar. My concern is, when I cut out the 606B I did not
>square off the end that attaches to the 606A, but instead, just tapered
>the piece down to the correct width at the other end. I have the
>required distance to the rivet holes and the piece appears strong (tough
>as hell to bend to the angle required)
>
>Should I redo these or do you think they are OK.
>
>Thanks to all
>Rick RV6A wings (preparing to hibernate soon)
>--
>Rick(at)ccc.henn.tec.mn.us
>
>
It *might* work just fine. The parts were drawn a certain way for a reason.
You still have a lot of work prior to flying. Why not just order new
material and rebuild these parts? The aluminum is cheap, the parts are easy
to make and you'll never lose any sleep over it.
-Scott Gesele N506RV
scottg(at)villagenet.com
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| From: | "Timothy J. Etherington" <tjetheri(at)cca.rockwell.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lessons learned |
>FROM: Robert L. Nuckolls, III, 72770.552
>TO: Paul Plesman
In Bob's post to Paul, he talked about replacing all the electrical in the
alternator circuit.
Couldn't you go through a field mod and just fill out a Form 337. I am not a
mechanic but I think this would be one way to "update" a circuit without the
expense of replacing that many parts of a certified system. Depending on your
local mechanic and FAA office this procedure is not that difficult.
I agree witht he advice though.
Tim Etherington
tjetheri(at)cca.rockwell.com
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| From: | Greg Bordelon <greg(at)brokersys.com> |
| Subject: | Interior Suppliers |
Scott Gesele[SMTP:villagenet.com!scottg(at)matronics.com] wrote:
>I have been going crazy trying to find suppliers of the materials used for
>finishing the interior of my -6A. There are companies that provide kits
>that include seats, sidewalls and carpets. What I am looking for is a
>source for the raw materials used to make these components such as velour
>sidewalls, carpeting and cloth for the seats. Local fabric stores don't
>have the appropriate materials. Where have others gone to purchase these
>materials?
>
>Second, what is the correct spray adhesive to attach velour to the inside
of
>the cockpit? I've been told that some products can become corrosive. Any
>suggestions?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-Scott Gesele N506RV (trying to finish by the spring)
>
Scott,
Boeing Surplus has lots of raw materials. My friend Rob did his whole
interior for less than 100 bucks. They have the seat foam, fabric, vinyl,
leather, carpet.............and the sell it buy the pound, like $1 or $2 a
pound. They have different colors and it's high quality stuff. The draw
back is that you have to go get it. I've never been, but I'm told they're
located in Seattle and Wichita.
+++++++++++++++++++
Greg Bordelon
greg(at)brokersys.com
my other plane is an RV :-}
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| From: | "Ray Murphy, Jr." <murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us> |
I think that it was Noel Drew that wrote recently about trying to decide on
which engine to get. Yesterday, while I was surfing I ran across the home
page for Penn Yan aero in NY. They claim that their fixed pitch prop on a
180 hp Lycoming will climb as fast as and cruise faster than a 180 with a CS
prop. You can check out their page at http://www.airtourist.com/PennYan.htm
I'm not any where near that stage of construction yet but it might bear
investigation.
Ray Murphy, Jr.
murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us
PS. I know that in my earlier mail I spelled Navy Pilot ....Piolot, but
that was for poetic license..I thot most people had a better sense of humor.
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| From: | chester razer <crazer(at)egyptian.net> |
| Subject: | Canopy (tip up) tip |
Builder tip. When I constructed my canopy frame I missed
the 1/4" space between the F-631A rear canopy frame and the
roll bar. Ended up riveting the frame so the f-631a and roll
bar were a flush fit. Found the dimension on upper right of
Page 51, thanks to George Orndorff (seems like no matter how
much I look at the drawings I never seem to be able to see
everything). Rolled around all night worrying about how I
was going to cut 1/4" from the canopy side frames and make a
splice when my daughter told me to just manhandle the side
frames and rear frame and get the desired clearance. That's
just what we did. Used some scrap lumber and muscle power
and rebent the side frames slightly and ended up with a
better fitting between the side frames and the fuselage side
skins and the desired 1/4" gap.
Lesson to be learned. Look over and over and over the
plans. Once in a while you get lucky
--
Chet Razer
crazer(at)egyptian.net
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| Subject: | More fuel tank access cover questions |
The recent thread on the fuel tank access plate is great since I'm working
on my tank root ribs right now. However, I have some additional questions:
1) I received the SW sender units from Van's and got the appropriately
marked boxes (B and C) and the sender units themselves are marked
385B and 385C. However, they look identical!! I expected them to be
mirror images such that the float would attach either to the rear
of the sender or to the front on both tanks. The ones I have will
result in the floats attaching towards the leading edge in one tank
and towards the spar in the other tank. Is this correct, or did SW
screw-up when they marked and packaged the senders?
2) What is the preferred way to mount the senders -- rivets or screws?
If the best way is with screws, what size of screws should be used
and what kind of platenuts -- standard open ones, or should I go
out and buy some of the enclosed ones?
3) I was surprised that the access plate stiffening ring is mounted
without Proseal. I am a little worried about a leak through the
tooling hole in the rib since this gets a little close to the outside
of the access plate. Has anyone had any problems with this? Did
anyone try to fill the tooling hole with Proseal?
Your comments appreciated.
Doug Medema RV-6A, working on the fuel tanks.
Just about run out of things to do before I HAVE to start Prosealing!
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| From: | "A.F. Aguirre" <aguirres(at)icsi.net> |
It has been a while since I posted my progress: I
have now completed the emmpenage and the wings. I
have started to inventory the fuselage and
finishing kits. I am looking for a fuselage jig
from somebody in south texas. Still planning to
finishing this plane by end of 1998.
Gus
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| From: | randall(at)edt.com (Randall Henderson) |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Aileron Trim Installation |
> My previous post pertaining to electrical cable routing
> received "No Response".
> Please respond privately to RV4Brown(at)AOL.com.
I think there are some posts about it in the archives. Maybe thats why
no one responded.
I put mine in front of the spar, in poly tubing. I did this because it
can be a hassle to get wiring routed around the spar once its in the
plane (rv-6 anyhow). But then I went and put my strobe power supply
under the baggage floor, i.e. AFT of the spar, so now I have to route
it through there anyway! But that will be easy since I can go through
the center from there.
I like the idea of using some sort of conduit so it's easy to run the
wires at a later date, but if you know what you're putting in and have
the wires while youre building the wing, then grommets through the
ribs should work fine.
Anyway, there are lots of methods and reasons for each -- I think the
best thing is just to try to do your best to guess what wires your're
going to have and where they'll have to go ahead of time and choose a
location close to the spar either fore or aft of it (be sure to stay
away from the aileron bellcrank and push-pull tubes) and go with it.
Randall Henderson, RV-6
randall(at)edt.com
http://www.edt.com/homewing
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| From: | rust47rg(at)one.net |
| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props |
>I think that it was Noel Drew that wrote recently about trying to decide on
>which engine to get. Yesterday, while I was surfing I ran across the home
>page for Penn Yan aero in NY. They claim that their fixed pitch prop on a
>180 hp Lycoming will climb as fast as and cruise faster than a 180 with a CS
>prop. You can check out their page at http://www.airtourist.com/PennYan.htm
>
>Ray Murphy, Jr.
>murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us
>
Ray:
They are talking about an installation on a 172 hull for their 180 hp 172
conversion. Not on every aircraft. Read the fine print. On a 172 they may be
correct. But who cares about 172's.....right!
I've flown behind a 180 c/s on my 4 for 2 1/2 years and while there are some
nice fixed pitch props on some RV's, climb performance of the constant speed is
is superior in my experience. Yea they're expensive and you do have
overhauls etc. etc. Bottom line. If you've got the $$ IMHO it's worth
every penny.
Regards:
Rusty Gossard
N47RG RV-4 Flying
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| From: | MiDiBu <midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lessons learned |
>==== excerpts from a conversation I've been having with a fellow whos rear
>alternator on his 337 is "jumpy" . . . .
> Bob . . .
> AeroElectric Connection
Bob,
What a nice letter. I appreciate it very much.
I've flown 337s and I love them. The electrical problems that I'm looking
at with my -8 will be helped with advise like that.
Thanks again,
Mike Weller
midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com (preferred) or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MiDiBu <midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props |
>PS. I know that in my earlier mail I spelled Navy Pilot ....Piolot, but
>that was for poetic license..I thot most people had a better sense of humor.
>
>
We do, keep 'em flying,
Mike Weller
midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com (preferred) or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bartwodrive2(at)juno.com (Leslie D Thompson) |
Fellow builders:
I am trying to decide where to best place the landing light. Do you have
an opinion if the landing light is best located in the leading edge or
the fiber glass wing tip? I'm sure there would be no room in the
cowling. Also I have heard that a very adequate light can be purcahsed
at Wal Mart of all places, have any of you head of this?
Thanks for any advice.
Les Thompson
bartwodrive2(at)juno.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Edward Cole <emcole(at)concentric.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing light |
Leslie D Thompson wrote:
>
> Fellow builders:
>
> I am trying to decide where to best place the landing light. Do you have
> an opinion if the landing light is best located in the leading edge or
> the fiber glass wing tip? I'm sure there would be no room in the
> cowling. Also I have heard that a very adequate light can be purcahsed
> at Wal Mart of all places, have any of you head of this?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Les Thompson
> bartwodrive2(at)juno.com
Les,
Get the Don Wentz (Duckworks) landing light kit. Available thru Van's or
contact Don via the list. $69.00 and goes in the first bay near the tip
of the wing. It's a nice kit and very complete.
Ed Cole RV6A 24430
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuselage jig |
>It has been a while since I posted my progress: I
>have now completed the emmpenage and the wings. I
>have started to inventory the fuselage and
>finishing kits. I am looking for a fuselage jig
>from somebody in south texas. Still planning to
>finishing this plane by end of 1998.
>
>Gus
Gus, It's probably a little far away from you but John Stewart from
Burlington, CO had his fuselage jig for sale. I believe it's made out of
glued and/or screwed plywood that was laminated togehter. I saw it many
months ago and it was a thing of beauty. It displays the same craftsmanship
as his good looking RV-6A. His phone number is 719-346-8741.
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Gear leg fairing pins |
I started work today to fix a little wear on my RV-6 where the piano hinge
passes through the fuselage. After 325 hours, the hinge pin has worn the
hole kind of oblong and the precise positioning of the trailing edge of the
gear leg fairings that we all work so hard to achieve has gone down the
tubes. I'm thinking of mounting a thick piece of either aluminum or UHMW on
the bottom of the fuselage for the pin to pass through. I'll try to drill a
hole at the correct angle, silicon the part on and double check the fit. If
it is correct, I'll drill a couple of holes and either pop rivet or #6 screw
the pieces on. I'm leaning towards using the UHMW as I think it might wear
a little better. Has anyone else had and fixed this problem? For those of
you who are still building, it would probably be easier to come up with a
fix now, rather than latter. You can't fly when you're down for repairs:(
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patrick Kelley <patk(at)mail.ic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: More fuel tank access cover questions |
Doug Medema wrote:
>
> The recent thread on the fuel tank access plate is great since I'm working
> on my tank root ribs right now. However, I have some additional questions:
>
> 1) I received the SW sender units from Van's and got the appropriately
> marked boxes (B and C) and the sender units themselves are marked
> 385B and 385C. However, they look identical!! I expected them to be
> mirror images such that the float would attach either to the rear
> of the sender or to the front on both tanks. The ones I have will
> result in the floats attaching towards the leading edge in one tank
> and towards the spar in the other tank. Is this correct, or did SW
> screw-up when they marked and packaged the senders?
>
Ummmm...If I understand what you are asking, simply turn the float over,
it will snap into the loop either way.
> 2) What is the preferred way to mount the senders -- rivets or screws?
> If the best way is with screws, what size of screws should be used
> and what kind of platenuts -- standard open ones, or should I go
> out and buy some of the enclosed ones?
>
Screws and platenuts were included in my kit, though many folks mention
upgrading their screws to stainless steel.
> 3) I was surprised that the access plate stiffening ring is mounted
> without Proseal. I am a little worried about a leak through the
> tooling hole in the rib since this gets a little close to the outside
> of the access plate. Has anyone had any problems with this? Did
> anyone try to fill the tooling hole with Proseal?
>
Where did you get the idea you don't use proseal? Use it! And, yes,
fill that tooling hole. Also, use proseal where you rivet platenuts,
just try to keep the proseal out of the threaded part.
> Your comments appreciated.
>
> Doug Medema RV-6A, working on the fuel tanks.
> Just about run out of things to do before I HAVE to start Prosealing!
Sorry to reprint the questions, but wanted the answers to clearly match.
PatK - RV-6A
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| From: | "r.acker" <r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Important Survey (chaff) |
>Eric (not the least bit threatning) Henson
>
Not the least bit threatening? There he goes joking again .
Rob Acker (r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com)
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA / RV-6Q / N164RA reserved
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Chandler" <mauser(at)Claris.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Standard Air tools |
A while I go I started a thread on this subject mentioning that I was going to
use a 10% off coupon I had for Home Depot to get a compressor and a bunch of
other big tools. Friday I did it. Had to bring a friend with a pick-up
truck.
Christmas came early this year, and was held in my garage. Boy is unpacking
new tools fun! How much did I spend? Well, let's say that that coupon saved
me $100.
I am posting from work, so I might miss a few items, but here's a rundown:
Cambell-Hausefield 4.5 hp, 20 gal compressor. (The price went up since I
first posted, but it's a slightly revised model, with a plastic shroud over
the belt that fans the pump, and a new regulator system)
50' Hose, accessory kit (blow gun, quick disconnects and adaptors)
CH Air drill
CH Mini Die Grinder
CH model 4300? spray gun (I have a little problem with it, the head of set
screw in the jar lid is stripped, so I can't set it for non pressure feed) :-(
(Be easy enough to drill and tap a new hole if I REALLY need to).
Ryobi 10" 5 speed drill press. (530 - 3200 RPM)
Ryobi 9" benchtop band saw. (DON'T forget to adjust the blade guides before
using!)
"Medallion" bench grinder with light.
Two 36" long bar clamps
4 each 2" and 1" c-clamps
2 Vice Grip drill press clamps (Neat! Bolt on one side, jaw on the other!)
4.5" bench vice.
Set of split point drill bits (1/16th through 1/2")
48" beam level (Nobody seems to stock the SmartLevel any more! Waaaa!)
Then, Saturday I went to Home Base to get some air tool oil, and it turned out
that they were closing out their supply of AllTrade air tools to make room for
the DeVilbis line they were going to start carrying. (Alas, when I got there,
almost everything was gone). I scored a second air drill for $20, a 3/8"
drive butterfly impact wrench for $18, and a dual action sander for $20. Plus
two sets of cutoff wheels (I bought a bolt and ground down the head to make a
mandrel I could put in a drill. They wouldn't fit the die grinder) for $4 a
set. I also had to get teflon tape for all the connections, and more quick
disconnects, and sandpaper discs for the sander.... By the time I was done,
there went the $100 I'd saved.
If I keep this up, I won't be able to afford my tail kit! :-(
Anyway, I really like this compressor. It keeps the tank between 100 and 120
psi, and only takes about 30 seconds to recharge. And it's quiet! After I
sealed the hose connections with the teflon, I could leave it overnight with
the blow gun on it and it wouldn't leak a single pound! Tell me though. Why
don't they paint the inside of the tanks so you don't need to worry about
rust?
It also included an extra regulator and a gauge. I dunno what for.
Anyway, this is going to be a real incentive to start getting the garage
turned into a real shop. (Gotta insulate. How do you insulate a 16' garage
door?)
--
(Sorry Randall, no more room for the Yakko Warner quote)
Richard Chandler
RV-6: Garage bought, saving for tools and tail kit (Christmas?).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Caldwell <RLCaldwell(at)chq.byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Landing light -Reply |
I just returned from the EAA Copperstate Fly-In. While there, I saw two
RV-6's which had a single landing light mounted in the nose of the
cowling. No lights (leading edge or tips) were installed. I wanted to talk
to the owners of these aircraft but never made contact with them. I
really liked the looks of both these cowling landing lights. One had the
light lens flush mounted to the front of the cowling while the other one
had a clear plastic cover but the actual light was recessed approximately
1-2 inches.
I'm currently building my wings and would prefer not to cut into my
leading edge skins or wing tips. Also, you wouldn't have to string
landing light wires through the wings with this approach.
Ron Caldwell
RV6-A (N655RV Reserved)
RLCaldwell(at)chq.byu.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Access Plates |
<< I TRIED TO USE CORK GASKETS, NO GOOD.
I WENT TO A RUBBER GASKET SHOP AND TOLD THEM WHAT I WAS USING IT FOR
AND THEY GAVE ME 1/8 BLACK RUBBER MATERAL ,GOOD FOR ANY FUEL!!!!!
>>
Please John, don't keep shouting.
I agree with you. I have had nothing but trouble with the thick cork gaskets
supplied with the fuel senders I used.
Jim Ayers
Lom M332A RV-3 N47RV Maroon Marauder
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bjnash(at)connectnet.com (BJ Nash) |
| Subject: | Re: Interior Suppliers |
>>I have been going crazy trying to find suppliers of the materials used =
for
>>finishing the interior of my -6A. There are companies that provide =
kits
>>that include seats, sidewalls and carpets. What I am looking for is a
>>source for the raw materials used to make these components such as =
velour
>>sidewalls, carpeting and cloth for the seats. Local fabric stores =
don't
>>have the appropriate materials. Where have others gone to purchase =
these
>>materials?
>>
>>Second, what is the correct spray adhesive to attach velour to the =
inside of
>>the cockpit? I've been told that some products can become corrosive. =
Any
>>suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>-Scott Gesele N506RV (trying to finish by the spring)
>>
>>
>>
>>
Sounds like you need a copy of our booklet, "How to Sound-Proof The
Light Aircraft" which has some of the info you ask about. To get it,
send your snail mail address, or download a copy by sending email to
soundprf(at)pdsig.com=20
another msg to infobot(at)pdsig.com will give you a listing of aviation
items for sale.
AIRCRAFT REMANUFACTURING=20
VISTA, CA. 92084 (619) 749 0239 FAX: 749 6384
Sales Directory: Infobot(at)pdsig.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mitch Faatz <mfaatz(at)sagenttech.com> |
| Subject: | RV-6/6A prepunched: electric trim |
After talking to Tom at Van's, here is some info that might help clarify
some things about the electric trim installation on the newer prepunched
empennage kit for a 6/6A:
Don't refer to EET-1, since newer prepunched kits shouldn't ship with
this old drawing. Drawing 5A should be sufficient and EET-1 will only
confuse you. Mount the MAC servo as far aft as possible, attach the
clevis, etc., and run the motor to max each way to make sure the rod
doesn't hang up on anything and passes through the hole in the spar with
adequate clearance. The servo is mounted on the "Z" brackets onto the
access plate. Cut the slot in the bracket to make room for the wires.
Also, drill another hole in the spar (with a grommet) to run the wires
through, and route the wires along the horn, where they enter the
fuselage. Safety tie the wires to the horn.
--------------------- cut here
--------------------------------------------------------------
Mitch Faatz mfaatz(at)sagenttech.com San Jose, CA
RV-6AQME N727MF (reserved)
Finishing the empennage
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| From: | Elon Ormsby <ormsby1(at)popsicle.llnl.gov> |
(much snipped)... We are very pleased to find out about this forum. We live
in Zimbabwe...We have an O320 B3B of 160 HP from a Piper Apache (CS prop
included), and have been told we shouldn't use the CS prop due to the
feathering feature
(from a twin) and weight. Any comments???
Regards, Graham Leathes and Martin Hendriksen.
(E-mail passed on by Brian Plew.)
----------------------------------------------
Hi, Graham & Martin:
The weight issue is pretty clear-cut. I don't know the weights involved, but
once you find out it will either fit within the CG envelope or it won't.
The other question you raised about the full-feathering constant speed prop
may not be so clear. Since I don't know the reasons others gave for advising
against the use of a full fathering prop but I would like to offer other
information to think about in making your decision. As you know a constant
speed prop is oil pressure modulated. If oil pressure to the prop or
governor decreases, the pitch will assume the "flattest" (low pitch-full
power) position. This is considered the safest failure mode for a "single"
piston engine since the engine still has the "potential" for using full
power. However, is this flat pitch condition that valuable?
Oil pressure to the prop can decrease if (1)the engine is loosing oil
pressure, (2)an oil line to the governor is leaking or failed, (3)the
governor has failed or (4)the prop seals are leaking. The size of the
hemorrhage will determine how long the engine will be able to pump its oil
out of the crankcase (and therefore keep running). Any cause is a serious
threat to continued safe flight and a landing should be made immediately. If
the engine stops there are two issues. The flat pitch will not promote wind
milling (and the possibility of a re-start) or if the blades are
stopped(engine seized) the flat prop will add tremendous drag (and
therefore) less glide to your aircraft. A full feathered prop will add much
greater range to your glide. (Please folks, I don't have numbers for this -
its only a concept to think about). Check-out the past CAFE articles on zero
thrust measurement in Sport Aviation.
There was an article a couple of years ago (I forgot the magazine) about
someone retrofitting a large engine (with full feathering prop) into a
Mooney. Their testing showed the surprising amount of drag a dead prop
adds. The gist of the article was that the full feathering feature was a
safety feature. I'm sure they were just trying to promote their application
but as far as I know they did get a significant improvement in glide range
and they were proceeding with a STC for the application.
So with a conventional system if the engine is limping along and the prop
has reverted to the flat pitch position you will land, hopefully under
power. If the engine is dead you will be landing anyway but with a lot less
glide range(due to prop drag). With a full feathering prop, any low oil
pressure condition will cause the prop to move to a steep pitch, possibility
putting an undesirable load on the engine or stopping it completely. So I
guess here is the issue. If you feel the engine will die completely, full
feathering will provide, low drag, and extended glide range. If you have a
strong engine but something wrong with the pitch control "system" the
conventional set-up will allow you to power to a quick landing. I say
"quick" because any loss of oil pressure will result in cold CHT's in short
order. There may be no inherent evil in either system. The terrain you fly
over, your maintenance environment, your flying experience and faith in your
aircraft, may all have an influence on your personnel decision.
Without keeping statistics it seams catastrophic engine failures are more
common than pitch control failures. If that were the case a full feathering
prop may be stacking the odds in your favor by giving you greater gliding range.
I would be interested in the opinions of others. This subject has not been
brought up before and there are certainly less options to consider than
selecting primer! :-)
-Elon
ormsby1(at)popsicle.llnl.gov
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing light |
>Fellow builders:
>
>I am trying to decide where to best place the landing light. Do you have
>an opinion if the landing light is best located in the leading edge or
>the fiber glass wing tip? I'm sure there would be no room in the
>cowling. Also I have heard that a very adequate light can be purcahsed
>at Wal Mart of all places, have any of you head of this?
>
>Thanks for any advice.
>
>Les Thompson
>bartwodrive2(at)juno.com
Les,
I mounted my landing lights in the wing tips. I bought the lens from a
RV-4 guy in Bakersfield and made the rest. They look almost as good as the
store bought lights but at a much lower cost, $40.00 for the lens and the
rest made out of scrap aluminum and some nut plates. I like the looks, but
it is a lot of work, unless you buy the kit (RMD?), which I think is around
$300.00 and even with the kit, I imagine it's pretty involved.
On my next RV, which I'll start work on again when I get moved, I intend
to mount my lights in the leading edge. Don Wentz (sp?), The Duckworks,
makes a nice kit that uses a rectangular, halogen light. I bought his kit,
and will probably use his mounting hardware but not the rectangular light as
I've found a light I like a little better.
I started out using GE 4509, 100 watt, aircraft landing lights but they
would only last 10 hours or so. I'm now using a J.C. Whitney "Mini
Auxiliary Light" that has a 3 1/2" diameter. You can buy the lens with
reflector for $4.00 each and a 100 watt H3 halogen for $5.95 or a 130 watt
for $7.95. These lights have lasted over 100 hours with no burn outs, yet.
I fly with them on, in "flash mode", all of the time.
The leading edge installation will be lighter and cheaper than my wing tip
lights and if the lens ever cracks, a replacement can be made easily.
Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Suppliers |
>Scott,
>give me a call at (817)439-3280 Becki and I have a complete interior kit and
>seats or we can supply you with everything you need...George Orndorff
>
>
I've seen their sample kit. WAY TOO MANY samples! ;-) There must have bee 50
greys alone!
Seriously, a very good selection.
Check six!
Mark
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| From: | Richard Olson <rolson(at)Capital.Net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lessons learned |
I second the motion... sorry Bob, I can't show you how you're wrong today!
Great Stuff!
Rich Olson
Saratoga Springs, NY
rolson(at)capital.net
RV6A Empenage
On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, MiDiBu wrote:
> >==== excerpts from a conversation I've been having with a fellow whos rear
> >alternator on his 337 is "jumpy" . . . .
>
> > Bob . . .
> > AeroElectric Connection
>
> Bob,
>
> What a nice letter. I appreciate it very much.
>
> I've flown 337s and I love them. The electrical problems that I'm looking
> at with my -8 will be helped with advise like that.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Mike Weller
> midibu(at)hsv.mindspring.com (preferred) or mike.weller(at)msfc.nasa.gov
>
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| From: | "Allan W. Mojzisik" <prober(at)iwaynet.net> |
| Subject: | Canopy (tip up) tip |
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Chet,
I suppose next you'll tell us your daughter bucks rivets too and is =
small enough to get into the fuselage, AND LIKES IT ! :-) Al =
(wishing my daughter liked loud noises) prober(at)iwaynet.net
Rolled around all night worrying about how I was going to cut 1/4" from =
the canopy side frames and make a splice when my daughter told me to =
just manhandle the side frames and rear frame and get the desired =
clearance. That's just what we did. Used some scrap lumber and muscle =
power and rebent the side frames slightly and ended up with a better =
fitting between the side frames and the fuselage side skins and the =
desired 1/4" gap. Once in a while you get lucky=20
--=20
Chet Razer
crazer(at)egyptian.net
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| From: | "Allan W. Mojzisik" <prober(at)iwaynet.net> |
| Subject: | Standard Air tools |
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Richard,
As for your insulated garage door......glue 1" styrofoam to the panels =
on the inside. Cut the horizontal edges at 45 Deg. angles to avoid =
binding when it's raised. Hope you get going soon and really miss your =
WB's quote and ADD
Al prober(at)iwaynet.net
Anyway, this is going to be a real incentive to start getting the garage =
turned into a real shop. (Gotta insulate. How do you insulate a 16' =
garage=20
door?)
Richard Chandler
RV-6: Garage bought, saving for tools and tail kit (Christmas?).
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| From: | barnhart(at)a.crl..com (Dave Barnhart) |
| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props |
Rusty Gossard wrote:
>I've flown behind a 180 c/s on my 4 for 2 1/2 years and while there are some
>nice fixed pitch props on some RV's, climb performance of the constant
>speed is
>is superior in my experience. Yea they're expensive and you do have
>overhauls etc. etc. Bottom line. If you've got the $$ IMHO it's worth
>every penny.
Van wrote some really interesting articles in the RVator on the issues of
160 vs 180 hp and fixed-pitch vs constant speed props:
October 1994
December 1994
They were enough to convince me that a 320 and CS prop would be the perfect
combination for me.
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
barnhart(at)a.crl.com
rv-6 sn 23744
Fitting the sliding canopy
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| From: | barnhart(at)a.crl..com (Dave Barnhart) |
| Subject: | Re: Landing light |
Les Thompson >bartwodrive2(at)juno.com> wrote:
>I am trying to decide where to best place the landing light. Do you have
>an opinion if the landing light is best located in the leading edge or
>the fiber glass wing tip? I'm sure there would be no room in the
>cowling. Also I have heard that a very adequate light can be purcahsed
>at Wal Mart of all places, have any of you head of this?
I chose to use the Duckworks lights and put them in the leading edge. A
friend has them in the wingtips, but the resulting heat has caused some
deformation od the edges of the plexi.
The landing lights at Wal Mart require awfully long extension cords (humor
alert!! whoop whoop whoop humor alert!) Seriously, the Duckworks kit is
comprised of a stock halogen driving light bulb and reflector with some
custom mounting and plexi parts. I suppose that you could duplicate the
custom parts, but why bother? The Duckworks kit is superb.
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
barnhart(at)a.crl.com
rv-6 sn 23744
Fitting the sliding canopy
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| From: | ccarpent(at)pressenter.com (Cliff Carpenter) |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Access Plates |
Mike, after 4 years I had to remove my tanks from the aircraft and pull out
all the sloshing compound that had come loose. My tank access plates were
originally sealed with Pro-seal. I never had had a fuel leak. The screw
removal was painless, much better than I had anticipated. For the plate
itself a stiff,sharp putty knife and a filed down piece of AL bent
properly to decrease the cutting angle cut the proseal. When the sloshing
removal job was completed, I now had 5 more 5" diameter holes to cover. All
plates were sealed with proseal only,the new plates being attached to the
tank with those covered pop rivets. Another 200hrs and no discernible leaks
yet! Good luck!
Cliff Carpenter,RV-4,N141CC
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| From: | ccarpent(at)pressenter.com (Cliff Carpenter) |
| Subject: | Re: Landing light |
Les, I,ve been very pleased with my lighting arrangement,i.e.
position,strobe and landing lights in the leading edge of wing tips,can be
bought through Van's,I think. Also position and strobe together on lower
rudder. Plexi over wingtip lights need screws at about 11/2" spacing to
prevent deformation.
Cliff Carpenter,RV-4,N141CC
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| From: | Frank Smidler <smidler(at)dcwi.com> |
| Subject: | O-320H2AD engine mount mod |
I have a type 1 dynafocal mount for a conventional gear RV-6 and I am
now considering an O-320H2AD engine. I understand that with the
conventional gear there is no interference with the oil pan but there is
with the mags and the top cross brace on the conical mounts. How did
others with this combination mod the cross brace? Any other problems?
Also, has anyone ever converted an O-320H2AD to a constant speed?
Thanks for you help.
Frank Smidler
working on finish kit.
smidler(at)dcwi.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props-chatter |
>I've flown behind a 180 c/s on my 4 for 2 1/2 years and while there are some
>nice fixed pitch props on some RV's, climb performance of the constant speed
>is
>is superior in my experience. Yea they're expensive and you do have
>overhauls etc. etc. Bottom line. If you've got the $$ IMHO it's worth
>every penny.
>
>Regards:
>Rusty Gossard
>N47RG RV-4 Flying
Hi all:
Remember, a c/s prop is like a transmission in a car- it can sort of shift
gears. A fixed pitch can't, but it can "slip" at lower airspeeds/high power
settings, allowing you extra RPM at lower (takeoff & climb) speeds. However,
like a f/p, a c/s prop is "dialed in" for a series of airspeeds/power
settings. Example: (180 hp birds?) 2300 rpm/22" mp/175 mph indicated, and
also 2000 rpm/ 18" mp/135 mph, and probably on a line between these numbers.
I think, by evidence of the fuel slips from a formation trip to Copperstate,
I've stumbled on the optimum for my airframe/prop/engine combo. She seems to
like 2300/20-22"/195 indicated as much as 2000/18"/145 indicated @ 9.5-11.5K
MSL. At the lower power setting, I burn the EXACT same (7.5-8.0 from the
Matronics flowmeter) as my pal in his -6 with fixed pitch/150 hp combo. I
didn't think an IO-540 would do that, but we saw it at the pumps. Of course,
at such low power settings, I was leaning very aggresively (peak or lean of
peak a bit), and it could be that my pal didn't, as his power setting was
much higher.
All that being said, I had an Aymar-Demuth on my -4, and it worked great!
Constant re-torquing was a pain, tho.
So, IMHO, Rusty is right: If you can spare the bucks, C/S is the way to go.
Jeez- I hope this doesn't sound like I'm on a soapbox....
Check six!
Mark
mlfred(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: More fuel tank access cover questions |
>1) I received the SW sender units from Van's and got the appropriately
> marked boxes (B and C) and the sender units themselves are marked
> 385B and 385C. However, they look identical!! I expected them to be
> mirror images such that the float would attach either to the rear
> of the sender or to the front on both tanks. The ones I have will
> result in the floats attaching towards the leading edge in one tank
> and towards the spar in the other tank. Is this correct, or did SW
> screw-up when they marked and packaged the senders?
Check the screw pattern in each. I would think you'd find a mirror image
there.
>
>2) What is the preferred way to mount the senders -- rivets or screws?
> If the best way is with screws, what size of screws should be used
> and what kind of platenuts -- standard open ones, or should I go
> out and buy some of the enclosed ones?
I've had no leaks with the standard method. Use the cad-plated screws, not
the alum colored ones.
>
>3) I was surprised that the access plate stiffening ring is mounted
> without Proseal. I am a little worried about a leak through the
> tooling hole in the rib since this gets a little close to the outside
> of the access plate. Has anyone had any problems with this? Did
> anyone try to fill the tooling hole with Proseal?
Again, follow the plans. The gasket sort of smooshes out a bit when you
tighten the screws, and seems to cover this hole good enough. Other listers
seem to prefer the fuel-lube for a sealer, used with the gasket, and it
could be that they are on to something! I use Permatex #2, though, as it's
readily available. Put an extra dab in the depression left by the hole, for
extra insurance.
>
>Your comments appreciated.
>
>Doug Medema RV-6A, working on the fuel tanks.
>Just about run out of things to do before I HAVE to start Prosealing!
>
>
>
Check six!
Mark
mlfred(at)aol.com
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| From: | Fred New <fred(at)ics.ee> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing light -Reply |
On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Ron Caldwell wrote:
> I'm currently building my wings and would prefer not to cut into my
> leading edge skins or wing tips. Also, you wouldn't have to string
> landing light wires through the wings with this approach. =20
I used to fly a C172 that was always burning out its landing light located
on the front of the cowling. My instructor felt that it was caused by the
vibration from the motor and the prop. Because of this, I've always felt
that a wing light was the best option for reliability.=20
--
Fred New, Systems Administrator RV-6A, dreaming & planning
IC Systems | Mustam=E4e tee 12 | EE0006 Tallinn | Eston=
ia
Internet--fred(at)ics.ee voice--(372) 656-5477 fax--(372) 656-5476
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| Subject: | Re: Gear leg fairing pins |
> I started work today to fix a little wear on my RV-6 where the piano hinge
>passes through the fuselage. After 325 hours, the hinge pin has worn the
>hole kind of oblong and the precise positioning of the trailing edge of the
>gear leg fairings that we all work so hard to achieve has gone down the
>tubes. I'm thinking of mounting a thick piece of either aluminum or UHMW on
>the bottom of the fuselage for the pin to pass through. I'll try to drill a
>hole at the correct angle, silicon the part on and double check the fit. If
>it is correct, I'll drill a couple of holes and either pop rivet or #6 screw
>the pieces on. I'm leaning towards using the UHMW as I think it might wear
>a little better. Has anyone else had and fixed this problem? For those of
>you who are still building, it would probably be easier to come up with a
>fix now, rather than latter. You can't fly when you're down for repairs:(
>
>Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
Bob:
When I make the upper intersection fairings, I cut them in two at the
cowling/firewall part line, and RTV the rear half to the fuse, after
painting, of course. This rear pc keeps the leg fairing aligned. The front
half is glassed to the cowling. I would guess you're using a loose fitting pc
here.
UHMW might be a bit soft for what you want from it, unless you use a fairly
thick pc- 1/2" or more. Maybe lay up some epoxy/fiberglass fairly thick and
make your pc frorm that. I wouldn't use polyester, tho. Attach this pc with a
couple of #8 screws thru the floor?
Check six!
Mark
mlfred(at)aol.com
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| From: | Ron Caldwell <RLCaldwell(at)chq.byu.edu> |
| Subject: | RV-6 CRASH IN UTAH -Reply |
Last Saturday morning, Dennis and Joy Keith died in their RV-6A while
taking off from their residential airport near St. George Utah. I talked to
some friends who also live and fly out of Sky Ranch and who knew the
Keith's very well.
Dennis and Joy rotated at 6:00 AM in hopes of arriving early at the
Copper State Fly-In. The initial indication of the cause of the accident is
that they became disoriented after takeoff and lost control of the aircraft.
Dennis was non instrument rated and no moon was present. It was
reported as being very dark and pitch black with no city or town lights in
the local view for orientation. This area of Utah is often referred to as
the "Black Hole". The RV was said to be in excellent condition and
opinion is the airplane had no known mechanical problems.
They crashed about ? mile from the airport. The Keith's where great
people and loved flying. They will be extremely missed.
Ron Caldwell
(RV-6A N655RV Reserved)
RLCaldwell(at)chq.byu.edu
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| From: | Brian McShurley <bmcshurley(at)www.sfgate.com> |
Elon Ormsby wrote:
>
> (much snipped)... We are very pleased to find out about this forum. We live
> in Zimbabwe...We have an O320 B3B of 160 HP from a Piper Apache (CS prop
> included), and have been told we shouldn't use the CS prop due to the
> feathering feature
> (from a twin) and weight. Any comments???
>
> Regards, Graham Leathes and Martin Hendriksen.
> (E-mail passed on by Brian Plew.)
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Hi, Graham & Martin:
>
snip
> The other question you raised about the full-feathering constant speed prop
> may not be so clear.
snip
The flat pitch will not promote wind
> milling (and the possibility of a re-start) or if the blades are
> stopped(engine seized) the flat prop will add tremendous drag (and
> therefore) less glide to your aircraft. A full feathered prop will add much
> greater range to your glide.
snip
>
> -Elon
> ormsby1(at)popsicle.llnl.gov
Hi guys.
On the Stewart S-51 Mustang, we are using a 91 inch 4-blade prop on a
King Air Hub. This is a full feathering hub, but we have installed
stops restricting the max pitch to approx 55 degrees of pitch. With
this combination, we have to turn the prop at approx 1400 turns per
minute just to maintain a zero thrust condition in flat pitch. With
this much prop disc area, you can enter a pattern at whatever speed,
select flat pitch, and then pry your nose off the instument panel.
In a failure mode, with the engine running, the prop will go to the flat
pitch angle for the most power setting. If the engine fails, the prop
will go towards the high pitch stop. In our case, with the 2.13:1 gear
reduction and the Chevy V-8 Big Block, if you slow the airplane down,
the prop will not windmill.
In my 11 years as a pilot, I have had one engine failure (deadstick into
Truckee Tahoe from over TRK VOR in a 172XP with 3 aboard), a few
governor failures (various Pipers), and one hub seal failure (oil all
over the canopy in a Piper Saratoga SP). All of these failures were
later traced to maint items that were not performed. Note---these were
all rental aircraft!!! IMHO, if properly maintained, and with proper
pilot control, a constant speed prop gives the best of all performance
for almost any condition you can give it.
Just food for thought....
Brian McShurley / bmcshurley(at)sfgate.com / S-51D / N514BM Reserved
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| From: | "r.acker" <r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: O-320H2AD engine mount mod |
>I have a type 1 dynafocal mount for a conventional gear RV-6 and I am
>now considering an O-320H2AD engine. I understand that with the
>conventional gear there is no interference with the oil pan but there is
>with the mags and the top cross brace on the conical mounts. How did
>others with this combination mod the cross brace? Any other problems?
>
>Also, has anyone ever converted an O-320H2AD to a constant speed?
>
>Thanks for you help.
>
>Frank Smidler
>working on finish kit.
>smidler(at)dcwi.com
>
>
I came across a note somewhere indicating Van's now has H2AD mounts. When I
purchased my quickbuild, I had to make an engine mount choice. I was
assured that if I "guessed" wrong (not having an engine yet), there would be
a modest $35 swap fee for the correct mount.
Lycoming makes H1AD's, so I suspect you may be able to convert an H2 if you
really wanted to (new case(?), crank, etc.). Not worth the effort in my
opinion...I think an MT electric prop would be cheaper .
Rob Acker (r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com)
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA / RV-6Q / N164RA reserved
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| From: | Fred Hollendorfer <phredyh(at)ix.netcom.com> |
Gud evening all,
Can anyone tell me how well the electric aileron & elevator trim works
compared to the manual trim system. Also has anyone heard of a
sidestick controller as opposed to a center stick installation in an RV?
I am planning to build the empennage, wings and fuselage in 1/2 of a
two car garage while storing the completed units elsewhere to be
assembled at the aerodrome later. Any comments and/or suggestions? ; )
Thanx Fred>
--
F.C. Hollendorfer
EAA #514940
RV-8 Spring '97
Gargage & Tools
phredyh(at)ix.netcom.com
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| From: | "r.acker" <r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing light -Reply |
>I just returned from the EAA Copperstate Fly-In. While there, I saw two
>RV-6's which had a single landing light mounted in the nose of the
>cowling. No lights (leading edge or tips) were installed. I wanted to talk
>
>I'm currently building my wings and would prefer not to cut into my
>leading edge skins or wing tips. Also, you wouldn't have to string
>landing light wires through the wings with this approach.
>
>Ron Caldwell
Engine vibration and heat seem to kill bulbs (based upon my limited "Sqauwk:
landing light out again" experiences in Cessna's).
Rob Acker (r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com)
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA / RV-6Q / N164RA reserved
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| From: | BestBillO(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props |
Noel, I'm delighted with my 160 hp and c/s prop. The accelleration is
impressive - - - just ask any fixed pitch counterpart who has flown formation
with me, especially on takeoff. Besides the "thrill" of the takeoff, it's
awfully useful on a short strip. So, if you can afford it, you'll be glad
you went constant speed. But, there is no speed advantage in cruise, and
it's a bit more complex setup, with the governor. But, if your budget is
really "under control" I'd even advise the 180 hp/cs combination. You'll
burn about 2 gallons per hour more, cruise only 5 mph more, but the takeoff
and climb performance will water your eyes.
I struggled with my decision 3 years ago, am very happy with the combination
I now have, but would go 180/cs if I were to build another tomorrow. For
what that's worth!
Bill Orcutt
RV-6A, N911RV
0-320 160 hp/ Hartzell c/s
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| From: | J.Ken_Hitchmough(at)magic.ca (J.Ken Hitchmough) |
| Subject: | Re: Electric trim |
Can anyone tell me how well the electric aileron & elevator trim works
compared to the manual trim system.
I have electric elevator trim and it works very well despite the fact
that it was retrofitted (not THAT difficult to do).
The only comment I have is that my 6A only gets out of the centre
"zone" on final approach. There's a tremendous range of which I only
seem to use about 10%.
Doing it again I would probably put on a longer horn which I could
always cut down if there was insufficient range.
Ken
RV6A Flying
j.ken_hitchmough(at)mail.magic.ca
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| From: | randall(at)edt.com (Randall Henderson) |
| Subject: | Re: Electric trim) |
> I am planning to build the empennage, wings and fuselage in 1/2 of a
> two car garage while storing the completed units elsewhere to be
> assembled at the aerodrome later. Any comments and/or suggestions? ; )
Buy a car cover and park the car outside.
Randall Henderson, RV-6
randall(at)edt.com
http://www.edt.com/homewing
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| From: | rwoodard(at)lawyernet.com |
RV> I am planning to build the empennage, wings and fuselage in 1/2 of a
RV>two car garage while storing the completed units elsewhere to be
RV>assembled at the aerodrome later. Any comments and/or suggestions? ; )
RV>
RV> Thanx Fred>
RV> --
RV> F.C. Hollendorfer
RV> EAA #514940
RV> RV-8 Spring '97
RV> Gargage & Tools
RV> phredyh(at)ix.netcom.com
Fred:
Can't comment on the wings yet, but you could definitely do the
empennage in 1/2 of a two car garage.
Good luck!
Rod Woodard
RWoodard(at)lawyernet.com
RV-8, #80033
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| From: | rust47rg(at)one.net |
| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props |
SNIP>
But, if your budget is
>really "under control" I'd even advise the 180 hp/cs combination. You'll
>burn about 2 gallons per hour more, cruise only 5 mph more, but the takeoff
>and climb performance will water your eyes.
>
>
>Bill Orcutt
>RV-6A, N911RV
>0-320 160 hp/ Hartzell c/s
>
Bill
Just curious...what are your cruise and fuel burn numbers for the 160. At
8000 msl on an average day at 2400rpm and all the MP I can get I cruise at
176 KNOTS TAS and burn a hair under 10 an hour. This verified many times in
the 2 1/2 years I've been flying......and the 180 C/S not only waters your
eyes, it gives your right foot something to do on takeoff.
Regards:
Rusty Gossard
N47RG RV-4 Flying 180 C/S
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| From: | "r.acker" <r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric trim |
>
> I am planning to build the empennage, wings and fuselage in 1/2 of a
>two car garage while storing the completed units elsewhere to be
>assembled at the aerodrome later. Any comments and/or suggestions? ; )
> --
> F.C. Hollendorfer
> phredyh(at)ix.netcom.com
>
I'm assembling a quickbuild in one-half of a 2-car garage. All components,
tools, and workspace are in the garage along with the pickup truck.
My cousin and I came up with the following layout:
1) Hanging the fuselage from the ceiling (the biggest space saver).
2) One 4'x8' plywood sheet hung from the ceiling, mounted just above the
opened garage door (next to the fuselage). The canopy and all long material
(i.e. pushrods, angle and tube stock, etc.) are stored here.
3) Wings on "truck" side of garage, leaned up horizontally against the wall.
4) Those shelf thingies you can buy at Home Depot (where you mount two
vertical extrusions to the wall, hook brackets into them, and lay a shelf
across them). The flaps, ailerons, and elevators have become the "shelves";
mounted above the wings.
5) Two metal shelf units next to wings. All alum/steel material, brakes,
tires, spinner, paints, etc. stored here.
6) Everything else (fiberglass components, engine mount, hor. & vert. stab,
canopy frame, rudder pedals, etc.) is hung from all three walls using
brackets or bicycle hooks.
7) Workbench, tools, and all floor mounted machinery placed up against the
wall of the building area. Building takes place between these and the truck.
I still trip out everytime I open the door and see all this in the
garage...oh, the washer and dryer are in there too .
Rob Acker (r.acker(at)ix.netcom.com)
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA / RV-6Q / N164RA reserved
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| From: | gretzw(at)tcplink.nrel.gov |
| Subject: | Fairing for rudder cable |
Who makes and sells the BEST fairing for where the rudder cables exit
the tailcone?
Warren Gretz
RV-6
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| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props |
<< They were enough to convince me that a 320 and CS prop would be the
perfect
combination for me.
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
barnhart(at)a.crl.com
rv-6 sn 23744
Fitting the sliding canopy
>>
ATC put a KingAir 5 minutes behind Rod Dykehouse's RV-4 with a Lyc. O-320
with CS prop, and then told the King Air that the experimental ahead was not
a factor.
The 160 hp Lyc. with a constant speed prop makes a very good combination.
Now if I can just wring a few more knots out of my LOM engine with the
variable pitch prop. :-)
It's strange how the materials and effort required to enhance speed always
cost a little more than the money and time that's available. Murphy on
speed?? ;-)
Jim Ayers
LOM M332A RV-3 N47RV Maroon Marauder
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Thousand Oaks, Ca. USA
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| From: | wstucklen1(at)juno.com (Frederic W Stucklen) |
Listers:
I have a Warnke 72X72 wood prop (for 160 Hp engine), Spinner (for a
RV -6) and a 4" prop extension extension (for long cowl) for sale. I may
also have a Landoll harmonic dampener for sale (if the person currently
using it isn't interested in it). Anybody interested please email me
directly....
Fred Stucklen RV-6A N925RV
wstucklen1(at)juno.com
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| From: | Elon_Ormsby <e671275(at)popsicle.llnl.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Engines & Props-chatter |
>Mark
>mlfred(at)aol.com you write...
>....Remember, a c/s prop is like a transmission in a car- it can sort of shift
>gears. A fixed pitch can't, but it can "slip" at lower airspeeds/high power
>settings, allowing you extra RPM at lower (takeoff & climb) speeds.
Right you are Mark. That fixed pitch, "slipping" prop is "cavitating" and
will allow higher RPM and therefore more horsepower. Unfortunately, You
can't put all that extra HP to work for you because a cavitating prop is
incredibly ineffecient, won't bite the air and convert power to thrust. A
constant speed prop will also RPM higher and produce the extra HP. However,
due to the flatter pitch it will not cavitate (assuming the tip speed is
subsonic) therefore translating that extra power into useful thrust. All
things being equal except the props - in a drag race the fixed pitch will
loose.
...I burn the EXACT same (7.5-8.0 from the Matronics flowmeter) as my pal in
his -6 with fixed pitch/150 hp combo. I didn't think an IO-540 would do that,
An IO-540? What is that in, a RV-60! Harmon Rocket? or..?
Elon
ormsby1(at)popsicle.llnl.gov
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| From: | Herman Dierks <dierks(at)austin.ibm.com> |
| Subject: | New Sub, i.e. prop question |
It sounds to me like your lowest cost option would be to
use the CS prop you have on the engine now.
In the high density altitude that you will operate, the
CS should let the engine develope more power for takeoff and climb.
You also want to keep the weight fwd on the RV6 so you can haul
more baggage. Others have went this route when they found they
could put only 30 pounds or so in the baggage area.
> From owner-rv-list(at)matronics.com Thu Oct 10 02:23:08 1996
> Errors-To: bounces(at)matronics.com
> X-Sender: plew(at)mail.pci.co.zw (Unverified)
> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> From: Brian Plew <mail.pci.co.zw!plew(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: New Sub
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 06:43:29 +0000
>
> Hi,
> We are very pleased to find out about this forum. We live in Zimbabwe and
> there are no other RV projects around. Our's is an RV6 about 90% complete
> and 50% to go, and are now looking to buy a prop....Due to our devalued
> currency ( Z%10.5 - US$ 1 ) we don't want to make the wrong choice.
>
> We have an O320 B3B of 160 HP from a Piper Apache (CS prop included), and
> have been told we shouldn't use the CS prop due to the feathering feature
> (from a twin) and weight. Any comments???
>
> We will be operating from an average density altitude of 7500 feet!!
>
> We have prices from Aymar-Demuth, Warnke, Prince, Pacesetter,and of course
> Sensenich from Van's.
>
> Do we go cheap and buy a plain old wood prop? If this is not quite matched,
> replacement is not too expensive!! Or do we go fancy (read Composite,
> P-tip, semi constant-speed) and spend another +/- $500 or finally do we bite
> the bullet and go metal? The pros and cons of various propsfrom an operating
> point of view are, as far as our knowledge goes WOOD inexpensive, easy to
> repair small nicks but don't fly in the rain, can't be repitched and
> constant check of those bolts. COMPOSITE - More expensive, difficult to
> repair, and as far as we know, cannot be repitched. METAL - easy to repair
> stone damage, can be repitched, costs a whole heap more and is much more noisy!
>
> Our general requirements are for cross country and limited aerobatics.
> Perhaps some of you lucky guys out there who are already flying have some
> thoughtsand experience with the props in question, that might aid us in our
> final decision.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from some of you.
>
> Regards, Graham Leathes and Martin Hendriksen.
>
> (E-mail passed on by Brian Plew.)
>
>
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| From: | Elon_Ormsby <e671275(at)popsicle.llnl.gov> |
| Subject: | Full Feathering (was New Sub) |
Regarding Brian McShurley's S-51 Mustang:
BTW Brian, I didn't get a chance to offer my congratulations when you first
introduced yourself to the list. Just think, the S-51 is an Aluminum
airplane, a beautiful scale Mustang and a cast iron CHEVY big block up
front. It can't get any better than that! Opps, don't let the Alternate
Engine folks know I said that! :-)
I was wondering why do you limit your stops to 55 degrees of pitch and not
take advantage of the full-feathering feature? Especially since you
indicated it will not windmill due to the PSRU and also the drag from the
prop. Could you accidently go full feathering while under power and is that
dangerous? I have heard of trubine drivers using beta pitch as a dive brake!
Elon
ormsby1(at)popsicle.llnl.gov
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| From: | halk(at)sybase.com (Hal Kempthorne) |
| Subject: | Re: CS vs FP Props |
I know you all understand airplane engineering better than I do so let me ask you
if
I have this right:
I have a Beech Debonair (later called the F33 Bonanza) with a Continental 225
engine and a two blade constant speed prop.
I was told that a three blade prop (a popular option) would *LOWER* top speed
but improve climb performance.
I suspect that a fixed pitch prop twisted to give maximum speed would be faster
than a constant speed prop of the same blade length on the same aircraft at any
setting. Have I got this right?
Also, I suspect that a fixed pitch prop twisted to give maximum climb would
climb better than a constant speed prop of the same blade length on the same
aircraft at any setting. Have I got this right too?
When I moved from rented Cherokees to the Debonair, I discovered the constant
speed prop and we immediately became friends. Well, not quite immediately as I
found it difficult to find instructors who could explain it.
Hal Kempthorne
Debonair N6134V @ SJC
halk(at)sybase.com
"Look Ma at what I can save with an RV-6A"
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| From: | Bob Skinner <BSkinner(at)navix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear leg fairing pins |
>> I started work today to fix a little wear on my RV-6 where the piano hinge
>>passes through the fuselage. After 325 hours, the hinge pin has worn the
>>hole kind of oblong and the precise positioning of the trailing edge of the
>>gear leg fairings that we all work so hard to achieve has gone down the
>>tubes. I'm thinking of mounting a thick piece of either aluminum or UHMW on
>>the bottom of the fuselage for the pin to pass through. I'll try to drill a
>>hole at the correct angle, silicon the part on and double check the fit. If
>>it is correct, I'll drill a couple of holes and either pop rivet or #6 screw
>>the pieces on. I'm leaning towards using the UHMW as I think it might wear
>>a little better. Has anyone else had and fixed this problem? For those of
>>you who are still building, it would probably be easier to come up with a
>>fix now, rather than latter. You can't fly when you're down for repairs:(
>>
>>Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
>
>Bob:
>
>When I make the upper intersection fairings, I cut them in two at the
>cowling/firewall part line, and RTV the rear half to the fuse, after
>painting, of course. This rear pc keeps the leg fairing aligned. The front
>half is glassed to the cowling. I would guess you're using a loose fitting pc
>here.
>
>UHMW might be a bit soft for what you want from it, unless you use a fairly
>thick pc- 1/2" or more. Maybe lay up some epoxy/fiberglass fairly thick and
>make your pc frorm that. I wouldn't use polyester, tho. Attach this pc with a
>couple of #8 screws thru the floor?
>
>Check six!
>Mark
>mlfred(at)aol.com
Mark, Thanks for the tips. I saw a very well done fairing similar to the
one you described on a red RV-4 at OSH several years ago. The front part of
the upper gear leg fairing was molded into the bottom cowl, the rear part
was glassed into the fuselage, no seam. I built my cowl this way to begin
with. While working on the plane, the front part of the fairing was always
getting in the way and made it difficult to take the bottom cowl off. I
became concerned, in general, about damaging the paint when removing the
bottom cowl. I ground off the fairing and made a conventional upper gear
leg fairing. I allowed a little more space between the spinner and cowl, as
well, to ease removal and installation of the lower cowl. It still takes
two guys, being very careful, to remove the bottom cowl. The bottom of the
verticle hinge on the bottom cowl rides across the gear leg fairing and I
put some of the thin UHMW on the fairing to keep it from getting scratched.
I modified the way the baffle material attaches to the FAB airbox and cowl
scoop to make it easier to install the bottom cowl. I also made the front
baffle seal on the forward horizontal baffles removable and this makes it
easier to drop and reinstall the bottom cowl.
I tried a 1/8" UHMW tab with a hole drilled in it, pop riveted to the
fuselage to see if I can keep the pin from wearing any more of a slot. On
the next six, I think I'll use a 1/4" piece of aluminum and attach it with
nut plates on the inside of the fuselage. If I was younger and more
pliable, I would have stood on my head and done it this time. If the UHMW
doesn't work, I'll try the aluminum idea next spring. If I can lose 30 lbs.
on the Nordic Track this winter, I might be flexible enough:)
Thanks, Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.com
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| From: | Royce Craven <roycec(at)ozemail.com.au> |
Hi all,
I am feeling very nervous about the spacing between the F-604 and F-605
bulkheads. This is the spacing between the main spar to the lower spar.
Any good tricks and hints to match gthe spacing with the wing from thoes
that have successfully fitted their wings would be gratefully received.
What is the tolerance here?
Where exactly should the measurement be made on the wing?
Thanks
Royce Craven
roycec(at)ozemail.com.au
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| Subject: | Re: O-320H2AD engine stuff |
>From McManD(at)aol.com, David McManmon, Cicero NY
RV6, Tip up, tail & wings complete, Fuselage (alive and well, thanks Tom
Green) top skin fitting, under construction. I have just recieved my
finishing kit, with the factory (Van's A/C) optioned (about $39 extra) engine
mount enclosed. I believe I see that there appears a greater arc and more
set back of the ( across the upper Barry) mount location's side to side cross
tubing brace. Thus creating the Mag and Oil filter clearance.
I've heard that you can exchange/purchase the mount or just buy the cross
piece of tubing from Van's, and have it welded on your current mount at your
location and save freight. Another CNY builder had a local welder modify the
mount rather inexpensively.
No knowledge/advise re: C/S conversions.
BUT QUESTIONS I ( you and other builders??) HAVE :
I do not yet know what to do, RE: alternator type, regulator, mounting
bracket design? etc... (All to avoid blistering the cowl & dreading
fiberglassing work) Because I still get conflicting reports as to their need,
and I'll bet the accessories can dictate this too.
Do not understand the "you'll need to make up your own baffle (see beow)?"
Well I already bought Van's pre-made baffle kit. I'll assume it's a better
start than scratch building one.....right guys? I know about the f/pump
baffle modification needs, but where's the other differences here?
Already have firewall recess (in the wrong place???? see below???) riveted
in, guess this can't hurt right????????????????????
BTW.....Already purchased from Van's A/C an "all RV6 0320" High country SS
exhaust. Anybody care to fill me in on ....."Will that work"?
No starter yet..........OK guys, any pitfalls there???
Have Van's optional 0320-filtered air box......well will this work?????
Finally somebody please tell me that the standard 0320 cowl scoop
works.....please?
Below I will add some recent advise I have received, (Thanks for all the
great input guys) all regarding the H2AD series, relative to RV.
James Mc Phee, Auckland, New Zealand. ZK-MRV (edited). Writes:
Due to fuel pump at the top LH front of engine you have to cut a 2 inch round
hole and fibreglass a "blister" to it, if you want to balance, do the other
side. No doubt you are fitting a mechanical pump on, so to allow for engine
movement, the blister is a must. Re the alternator, all the builders in New
Zealand are using the alternator out of a Mazda 323 E5 (1984-89) series which
has no external blades, internal bearings are steel, built in regulator. No
cowl modifications required, only a little pulley bracket mod which anyone
can do. I run Claus Savier's CDI system on the right mag driving all the
bottom plugs just like Jon Johanson. Also you will have to make your own
baffle kit and the firewall recess supplied by van's will be in the wrong
place. I manage fine without a recess even though I have a full flow filter.
Apart from the oil filler being over the top basically everything else is
straight forward.
James, later writes: The CDI is mounted on top/battery box, the TI portion on
the
inside firewall. The coils on engine mount cross members. All totally
independant of the mag. We just stripped out the guts of the right mag and
left it empty. MRV used to use 57 lbs fph @ 2,500rpm now use 49 @ 2,600 and
runs beautifully. No lead on plugs using 100LL. Static run now 2,420rpm,
used to be 2,150 rpm. Using 68 x 71 wooden prop. Claus Savier does not
supply magnet brackets for "H", you have to make yourself. It is THE BEST
SYSTEM on the market. With this system
you will have total redundancy and no rpm drop when you switch the mag off.
Yes, it will keep running. Let me know how you get on. The H is a very good
motor treated the right way, I treated mine with Microlon and will argue the
case with anyone.
Doug Bloomberg Denver CO, H2AD under construction? (edited) Writes:
A couple of RV builders in Texas have 0320H2AD's one with cowl fitted and
with bumps, and now regrets it, he thinks he didn't need them. The second is
utilizing the cowl as is.
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| From: | SENGELHART(at)aol.com |
Mike,
Thanks for the input !
Scott Engelhart
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| From: | SENGELHART(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron push rod |
Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone/everyone has been priming the inside of the aileron
push rods. Thanks !
Scott Engelhart
RV6-A in WI
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| From: | Peggy Aguirre <aguirres(at)ICSI.Net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuselage jig |
Bob Skinner wrote:
>
> >It has been a while since I posted my progress: I
> >have now completed the emmpenage and the wings. I
> >have started to inventory the fuselage and
> >finishing kits. I am looking for a fuselage jig
> >from somebody in south texas. Still planning to
> >finishing this plane by end of 1998.
> >
> >Gus
>
> Gus, It's probably a little far away from you but John Stewart from
> Burlington, CO had his fuselage jig for sale. I believe it's made out of
> glued and/or screwed plywood that was laminated togehter. I saw it many
> months ago and it was a thing of beauty. It displays the same craftsmanship
> as his good looking RV-6A. His phone number is 719-346-8741.
>
> Bob Skinner RV-6 BSkinner(at)krvn.comBob,
I spoke with John about the fuselage jig last night. It does sound very good, however,
it is just too far away from me. I t would take me about 20 hours one way to drive
up
there. So, I am still going to be looking for a jig arounf SOUTH TEXAS closer to
VICTORIA.
We did have agood conversation about his project.
Thank you very much for the information.
Gus
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| From: | Curt Reimer <Curt_Reimer(at)MBnet.MB.CA> |
| Subject: | Garage Door Insulation |
> Anyway, this is going to be a real incentive to start getting the garage
> turned into a real shop. (Gotta insulate. How do you insulate a 16' garage
> door?)
> Richard Chandler
Richard, I don't know how much insulation you need, but here in Canada I
wanted LOTS. The styrofoam route seemd expensive, so I used plain old
fiberglass insulation. My 16 foot garage door is wood, with 4 separate
horizontal panels. I screwed 3" drywall screws about 1/2 an inch into the
wood, with a row of screws along the top and bottom of each door panel.
Then I placed the batts of insulation horizontally along each door panel
and held them in place with baling wire stretched between the drywall
screws. I covered the whole thing with vapor barrier poly and caulked the
door/poly interface. For good measure I ran some foam weatherstripping in
between each door panel, and installed some good weatherstripping around
the outside of the door. This effectively gives me an R-20 insulated wall
that opens and closes just fine, and is nearly airtight. It might seem
like overkill, but R20 fiberglass is way cheaper than the equivalent
styrofoam and it gets to be -40 F here in January. I stay toasty warm with
a 4800 watt heater running maybe half the time at those extreme
temperatures, and perhaps 25% of the time at more moderate -10 to -20
temps.
Nothing beats a nice warm garage with an RV project in it to while away
the dark winter evenings.
Cheers,
Curt Reimer
RV-6 fuselage being skinned
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| From: | RFlunker(at)aol.com |
I am about to bend the Longerons for my 6A and am looking for any tips you
builders might have. I understand that the angle twists as it bends, and
would expect that doing more small bends and twist corrections would be
better than fewer larger ones. Is this correct? Any other helpful hints?
Thanks in advance.
Dick Flunker (RFLUNKER(at)AOL.com)
RV-6A
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| From: | Leo Davies <leo(at)icn.su.OZ.AU> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing distance |
>Hi all,
>
>I am feeling very nervous about the spacing between the F-604 and F-605
>bulkheads. This is the spacing between the main spar to the lower spar.
>What is the tolerance here?
>Where exactly should the measurement be made on the wing?
>
>Thanks
>
>Royce Craven
>roycec(at)ozemail.com.au
Royce,
Nervousness here is normal. I measured my wing about a zillion times and
still had my heart in my mouth on fitting day. It all went very well.
You can cut a piece of scrap to the critical distance and use it as a
template but I just measured. The front and rear spars are parallel so the
distance you measure must be a normal to the plane of the spar. As my wings
are stored vertically I used a plumb-bob to establish this line. The easiest
distance to measure is from the back of the main spar (the surface that will
sit against the front surface of the F604 bulkhead) to the front of the
rear. Clamp a piece of straight scrap to the front surface of the F604 and
then use a square to clamp your metre stick back to the rear spar mount
(note that the thing you are measuring to is the back surface of the front
piece of the mounting clevis. Do this on both sides. Now do it again. Now
get up the next morning and do it again.....repeat this process untill
anxiety settles. Now rivet everything in place. You could probably cope
with up to about 3/32 of mismatch but mine was a near perfect fit.
Good luck,
Leo Davies
leo(at)icn.su.oz.au
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| From: | Fred Hollendorfer <phredyh(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric trim |
> Fred:
>
> Can't comment on the wings yet, but you could definitely do the
> empennage in 1/2 of a two car garage.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Rod Woodard
> RWoodard(at)lawyernet.com
> RV-8, #80033
Mmmmmmm! Rod, I thought your SN# looked familiar.... It's my ZIP CODE.
Fred>
--
FC Hollendorfer
RV-8
Garage & Tools
phredyh(at)ix.netcom.com
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| Subject: | Re: O-320H2AD engine mount mod |
| From: | Mike Kukulski <kukulski(at)kewlaid.highfiber.com> |
Previously written:
>Van's now has H2AD mounts. When I
>purchased my quickbuild, I had to make an engine mount choice. I was
>assured that if I "guessed" wrong (not having an engine yet), there would be
>a modest $35 swap fee for the correct mount.
I would caution against this approach for folks not going the quickbuild
route (don't know enough about the QBs to speak about 'em!). I was very
concerned about having my engine mount correctly positioned on my
firewall, and especially with the weldments behind the firewall that the
engine mount bolts to. After a lot of thought,I followed other builders'
advice and bought my engine mount early so I could matchdrill this entire
assembly while it was flat on the workbench versus mounted in the jig
(how to hold the engine mount in the correct position?) This ensured my
mount is correctly positioned with good edge distances on the engine
mount weldments, and it was easy to do.
Can't say it couldn't be done otherwise, but this was a simple way to
align the mount properly.
Also, I'm not convinced you could swap out engine mounts after drilling
one to your fuselage and have the bolt holes align properly (due to
variations in the mount welding process.)
The negative side to this approach is that you are committed to a
specific range of engine models that match the engine mount you buy; a
great deal on a conical engine mount engine is of no use if you bought a
dynafocal mount, or vice-versa.
Mike Kukulski
kukulski(at)highfiber.com
RV-4 N96MK
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| From: | "Charles L. Cotton" <clcotton(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | 1 Pc. Wing Skins |
I read somewhere that Van was offering 1 pc. wing skins, but they were
not advertised. Does anyone know:
1. If they are offered for the RV-8, and RV-6A?
2. Are they pre-drill (punched)?
3. Do they pose a shipping problem?
Thanks,
Chas.
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| From: | "Ray Murphy, Jr." <murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us> |
| Subject: | Beautiful Fligth |
I was lucky enough to fly over the cranberry bogs near Bandon, OR today.
Even though it was in a rented 172 the flight was spectacular. If you ever
get the opportunity to fly over cranberry bogs during harvest do so. The
contrast of the brilliant red against the blue waters on a clear day leaves
one speachless.
Several of you have said that the climb performance with a 180 and C/S prop
will make your eyes water. Just how good is that climb performance? How
much better is it compared to a fixed pitch of the same HP? Thanks in advance.
Ray Murphy, Jr.
murphy(at)mail.coos.or.us
RV-6A empennage
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| Subject: | Workshop Space (was Electric Trim) |
>> I am planning to build the empennage, wings and fuselage in 1/2 of a
>>two car garage while storing the completed units elsewhere to be
>>assembled at the aerodrome later. Any comments and/or suggestions? ; )
>>
>> Thanx Fred>
Fred,
I am doing what you intend to do. I've built the empenage and wings and
have my RV-6 fuselage in the jig in my half of the garage. There was
plenty of room to do the empenage and wings. The fuselage jig makes
things a little tight but I do have a 28-inch deep workbench along the
side of the garage. With the wife's car is out, I use the vacated space
for a small wheeled work bench and my tool cart.
I mounted my vise, drill press, bandsaw, and grinder/polishing wheel on
an approx 3-foot square roll-around cart that can be stowed out of the
way when not in use. It fits in front of the car. I got the cart
design from an article by Tony Bengalis in Sport Aviation several years
back.
Bob Hall
rjhall(at)kktv.com
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| From: | chester razer <crazer(at)egyptian.net> |
aol.com!RFlunker(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> I am about to bend the Longerons for my 6A and am looking for any tips you
> builders might have. I understand that the angle twists as it bends, and
> would expect that doing more small bends and twist corrections would be
> better than fewer larger ones. Is this correct? Any other helpful hints?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dick Flunker (RFLUNKER(at)AOL.com)
> RV-6A
>
One other thing I might mention. I weigh about 195 and bent
both longers simultaneously and I was literally bouncing my
full body weight on the clamped longerons to bend it. And
yes, lots of little bends result in a better fit than a few
big bends
--
Chet Razer
crazer(at)egyptian.net
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| From: | chester razer <crazer(at)egyptian.net> |
aol.com!RFlunker(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> I am about to bend the Longerons for my 6A and am looking for any tips you
> builders might have. I understand that the angle twists as it bends, and
> would expect that doing more small bends and twist corrections would be
> better than fewer larger ones. Is this correct? Any other helpful hints?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dick Flunker (RFLUNKER(at)AOL.com)
> RV-6A
>
Do it just like George Orndorff does it in his video and it
will come out perfect or very close to perfect.
--
Chet Razer
crazer(at)egyptian.net
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| From: | Patrick Kelley <patk(at)mail.ic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 1 Pc. Wing Skins |
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
>
> I read somewhere that Van was offering 1 pc. wing skins, but they were
> not advertised. Does anyone know:
>
> 1. If they are offered for the RV-8, and RV-6A?
>
Yes, they are simply full sheets of aluminum, so I believe they work for
the -8. They DO work for the -6,6A.
> 2. Are they pre-drill (punched)?
>
Nope, roll yer own. You'll have to trim the excess, too.
> 3. Do they pose a shipping problem?
>
You bet. However, this problem can be solved with money. :)
> Thanks,
> Chas.
Your welcome. Good luck.
PatK
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| From: | James & Mary Mc Phee <bluegum(at)ihug.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: O-320H2AD engine mount mod |
>Previously written:
>
>>Van's now has H2AD mounts. When I
>>purchased my quickbuild, I had to make an engine mount choice. I was
>>assured that if I "guessed" wrong (not having an engine yet), there would be
>>a modest $35 swap fee for the correct mount.
>
>Sorry Mike, you are incorrect. The Engine mount for the H series engine is
mounted in exactly the same way and the same place as the other dynafocals.
I have a H engine , been flying here in New Zealand since 1992 and have
recently changed mounts to a new mount and gear legs due to a heavy
landing(s) and sabotage on a strip. My original engine mount was the
standard one in 1991 and Ken Scott took the photographs back to Van's in
1993 of the mod and they copied it exactly, so don't worry about it. It
fits straight on.
Hope this helps.
Regards, James Mc Phee, ZK-MRV S/No 20334
>
>
>
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| From: | PAUL_ROSALES(at)prodigy.com (MR PAUL A ROSALES) |
From: GJGP22B(at)prodigy.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A CRASH IN UTAH
-- [ From: Paul A. Rosales * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] --
> Last Saturday morning, Dennis and Joy Keith died in their RV-6A while
taking
> off from their residential airport near St. George Utah. I talked to
some
> friends who also live and fly out of Sky Ranch and who knew the
Keith's very
> well.
>
> Dennis and Joy rotated at 6:00 AM in hopes of arriving early at the
Copper
> State Fly-In. The initial indication of the cause of the accident is
that
> they became disoriented after takeoff and lost control of the aircraft
. Dennis
> was non instrument rated and no moon was present. It was reported as
being
> very dark and pitch black with no city or town lights in the local
view for
> orientation. This area of Utah is often referred to as the "Black
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