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Subject: Front & Back Wheel Pant Fit...
> > Dear Listers, > > I'm adding the little fairings between the main wheel pants and the gear > leg today. I'm using the premade fairing from Farings Etc and > installation looks pretty straightforward. > > But I'm really on the fence about the main wheel pants and specifically > the front-to-back fit. I have the gap all the way around between the two > perfect. No problems there. > > The issue is with the unevenness of the thickness of the front to back. > The rear part has the flange that holds the plate nuts. The shoulder is a > little bit higher in some spots than the front part and a little be lower > in other spots. If it was higher all the way around, it would be a > no-brainer to just sand it down. But the high/low is problematic. The > low spots are generally caused by the screws and the high spots between > the screws. > > Yeah, I could fill and sand and fill and sand so that *maybe* I would have > a "perfect" transition front to back. But maybe not. I'm thinking its > going to be a huge amount of work that, in the end, isn't really going to > look any different once its painted. > > Should I just embrace the transition as-is and move on? Or spend a couple > of weeks trying to fill and sand in hopes of a better look? > > Attached are a couple of pics of what it looks like currently. > > Thanks! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14250 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14250 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: aileron trim
Date: Jan 31, 2010
Tom, I have close to 2000 hours on my RV8 over the last 8 plus years. Shortly after completing my RV8, I realized that a trim system would be a good addition. Primarily because I noticed that after using 3 or 4 gallons of fuel off of one side, I noticed that the wing tanks became lighter and required aeleron input or trim. On short flights, it did not make much difference. However, on longer flights it became tiresome holding left or right stick to stay level. I looked at vans trim system and realized it would work ok, however, it would increase stick load right of left depending on fuel usage. As a result, I designed an aeleron/elevator trim system using miniture trim tab built into the outboard edge of the aeleron( approx 1 1/2" x 6") driven by a miniture MAC trim motor. This required a very minor change in aeleron balance (it probably would have been ok without it but, I felt more comfortable because I race my airplane,,and at speeds of 240 mph,I had some concern. I also used a similar trim syster in the elevator. Call for info. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one 920 619 6968 ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: RV-List: aileron trim Does the Van's aileron trim work? Do most planes have it installed? My plane isn't flying yet - I hope to have 1st flight in a few weeks- and I was just about to install it. If the consensus is that it isn't worth it, I will forgo installation. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, pretty close to flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "charlie heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: aileron trim
Date: Feb 01, 2010
I am late in seeing this thread, so I may be repeating whats already been said. I fabricated and installed the vans aleron trim unit shortly after I aquired my 6A. It is a simple concepts, no motors to fail, and it works very well. Just move the lever a little left or roight to keep balance as fuel is burned off. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: aileron trim
Date: Feb 01, 2010
After more than 1=2C000 of Cross Country Flying and more than 2=2C241 flyin g hours in my RV=2C I have to say that that Van's Manual Aileron Trim works great. I would not think of making a cross-country flight without it. I does make up for small changes in bank that occur with fuel burn and load ing. I can trim so that I can take my hand off the stick for 1-minute so that I can fold=2C unfold maps=2C or do other cockpit tasks that one may need to d o without using my autopilot. Gene Hudson in his book "Precision Attitude Instrument Flying" recommends k eeping the aircraft in trim so that the pilot can concentrate on other flyi ng tasks so that you do not have to hand fly the airplane. I keep my aircraft in trim so that it can fly hands off most of the time. You can fly the aircraft without aileron trim but the aileron trim allows o ne to fly the airplane hands off. Yes an autopilot wing leveler can do some of the work but there is no subst itute for a proper rigged aircraft with elevator and aileron trim. It redu ces the pilot work load a lot on cross-country flights. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C241+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA 920 619 6968 ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list Sent: Tuesday=2C January 26=2C 2010 1:57 PM Subject: RV-List: aileron trim Does the Van's aileron trim work? Do most planes have it installed? My plane isn't flying yet - I hope to have 1st flight in a few weeks- and I was just about to install it. If the consensus is that it isn't worth it=2C I will forgo installation. -- Tom Sargent=2C RV-6A=2C pretty close to flying _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: aileron trim
Date: Feb 01, 2010
A high percentage of the RV's being built now have electronic trim on both ailerons and elevator. You put a hat switch on the stick and your done. When I fly, trimming is automatic -- I don't even think about it and my plane flys "hands off " all the time. Another example of how well Van's designs work. dave On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:15 AM, charlie heathco wrote: > I am late in seeing this thread, so I may be repeating whats > already been said. I fabricated and installed the vans aleron trim > unit shortly after I aquired my 6A. It is a simple concepts, no > motors to fail, and it works very well. Just move the lever a little > left or roight to keep balance as fuel is burned off. Charlie > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Garry Stout" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: aileron trim
Date: Feb 01, 2010
Is there a reasonable way to retrofit an electric aileron trim into an already built wing? Garry A high percentage of the RV's being built now have electronic trim on both ailerons and elevator. You put a hat switch on the stick and your done. When I fly, trimming is automatic -- I don't even think about it and my plane flys "hands off " all the time. Another example of how well Van's designs work. dave On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:15 AM, charlie heathco wrote: I am late in seeing this thread, so I may be repeating whats already been said. I fabricated and installed the vans aleron trim unit shortly after I aquired my 6A. It is a simple concepts, no motors to fail, and it works very well. Just move the lever a little left or roight to keep balance as fuel is burned off. Charlie href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: aileron trim
Date: Jan 31, 2010
Tom, Call me @920 619 6968 and I will advise. It would be to long of a letter, and I don't want to have to reply to many emails. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: RV-List: aileron trim Does the Van's aileron trim work? Do most planes have it installed? My plane isn't flying yet - I hope to have 1st flight in a few weeks- and I was just about to install it. If the consensus is that it isn't worth it, I will forgo installation. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, pretty close to flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: aileron trim
Really depends on your definition of 'reasonable'. My approach involves using model airplane servo's (they're small), a single chip computer and a program I wrote ..... because I can. I haven't decided whether to mount the aileron servo in the aileron (changes the mass balance point) or on a bracket on the wing to position the servo arm at the rotation axis of the aileron. Not there yet. Rudder trim servo will be mounted in the rudder. The trim tab will be a section of hinge on the trailing edge. If anyone has the 'hinge type trim' installed, how long is the hinge??? Linn Garry Stout wrote: > Is there a reasonable way to retrofit an electric aileron trim into an > already built wing? > > Garry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: aileron trim
Date: Feb 01, 2010
Yes-pretty sure. The Vans aileron trim, manual or electric, is apparently in the fuselage, and works by applying more or less force to springs on the control stick. There is nothing in the wing with respect to the aileron trim. While I haven't got that far into my build, I imagine that going to electric from manual is not involved, or even retrofitting the aileron trim into an already-built airplane. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Stout Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: aileron trim Is there a reasonable way to retrofit an electric aileron trim into an already built wing? Garry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Subject: aileron trim
Date: Feb 01, 2010
While I'm sure someone has rigged a servo to operate the manual trim but the standard electric aileron trim has a Mac servo embedded in the aileron with a pushrod to a hinged tab hanging off the trailing edge. Typical Van's... serviceable but ugly. More elegant solutions create cutouts for a tab similar to the elevator trim. Not a biggie for us slow builders but maybe more of an issue for the snap togethers;-) Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: aileron trim Yes-pretty sure. The Vans aileron trim, manual or electric, is apparently in the fuselage, and works by applying more or less force to springs on the control stick. There is nothing in the wing with respect to the aileron trim. While I haven't got that far into my build, I imagine that going to electric from manual is not involved, or even retrofitting the aileron trim into an already-built airplane. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Stout Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: aileron trim Is there a reasonable way to retrofit an electric aileron trim into an already built wing? Garry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X
Date: Feb 01, 2010
Gentlemen - I have two nearly-new Bose headsets that need a new home. Common GA plugs, straight cord with battery pack. Nothing wrong with them, we've simply accumulated too many headsets. $850 each, shipped CONUS. Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 H - 850-515-0640 C - 850-218-4838 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Baxter <robbax(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: unsuscribe
Date: Feb 01, 2010
unsuscribe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Looking for a Hangar Naples Florida
From: Dane Sheahen <fastpilotrv8(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 01, 2010
Hi, Looking for RV builders in Naples Florida area. I am staying in Naples for the month of March and I am looking for a hangar. So I am hoping some builders in the area may know someone that has some extra hangar space. Please call or Email me if you know anyone that may know someone etc. 847-373-0026 fastpilotrv8(at)gmail.com Thanks Dane ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a Hangar Naples Florida
Date: Feb 02, 2010
Dane< Move north to Spruce Creek !! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Sheahen" <fastpilotrv8(at)aol.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: RV-List: Looking for a Hangar Naples Florida > > Hi, > > Looking for RV builders in Naples Florida area. I am staying in Naples > for the month of March and I am looking for a hangar. So I am hoping some > builders in the area may know someone that has some extra hangar space. > > Please call or Email me if you know anyone that may know someone etc. > > 847-373-0026 > fastpilotrv8(at)gmail.com > > Thanks > Dane > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: aileron trim
Date: Feb 02, 2010
From: grenwis(at)aol.com
Having built the little section of hinge on the outboard trailing edge of my RV-6A, I wouldn't do it again. The hinge doesn't look good, nor does the panel you cut in the aileron to install the servo. When the internal spring works so well, why worry about having to look at the trim tab fore ver? When I was building, I thought it would be nice to have a pushbutton on the stick for electric trim, and it is, but I immediately wished that I had used the spring and kept it all hidden. Rick Grenwis RV-6A 220 hrs Denver, CO - KBJC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Al Grajek <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: Vans Firewall fwd and Percision Airmotive Fuel Injection
Date: Feb 02, 2010
I was wondering if anyone knows if the standard hoses/cables in the FFW kit for the RV8 is compatible withe the Silverhawk XP fuel injection servo(hor izintal draft). I dont want to order it and have to send a bunch of stuff b ack. Thanks! AL Grajek ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 02, 2010
From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com
Coming to grips that I probably can not afford my baby... this is very dif ficult .... but I digress.... I thought it best to start here with my very 1st post .. .pdf description attached. Any sincere interest I can send you more photos, email me at NYFlapjack2@a ol.com and info ask away... Barnstormers next place to post an ad and ???? open to suggestions and you r insight. Asking $60,000...and I am not in a hurry...but will be open to reasonable offers too... May leave in the WX blue tooth receiver, and the 2 Pilot ANR's rechargeabl e head sets...... To the attached document I can there is 1 error...the plane has @ 285 hour s, the 375 listed is my TT as a pilot, not this plane. Also that used engine that has never missed a beat since installation & 1s t flight, has all the tags, certified rebuild data, yellow tags & receipts . I got it from Wentworth & an insurance salvage from a hanger collapse parked plane, it now has @ 1785SMOH. While the plane is not Grand champion Oshkosh material ....this thing goes , runs up with my CS prop 180 RV pals. And I can give references with EAA Tech Counselor, other RV pilots, RV bui lders etc....if you want builder opinions. PDF file attached....If you've been to KFZY at its home base, EAA 486 in Oswego NY at our RV forums you probably have seen this plane. Regards David McManmon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 02, 2010
Hi David, Just to refer to my experience in selling my 6A a bit over a year ago. I share your pain. Two good places to advertise after this list are Van's Airforce (which is free) and Barnstormers (which is very reasonable). I had good responses from both but finally sold through Barnstormers. Both have good circulation.Though I subscribed, I did not use TAP. It seemed more cumbersome than the other two. Your PDF has good photos and description and can be used in either or both VAF or Barnstormers. Good luck, Richard Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Coming to grips that I probably can not afford my baby... this is very difficult .... but I digress.... I thought it best to start here with my very 1st post ...pdf description attached. Any sincere interest I can send you more photos, email me at NYFlapjack2(at)aol.com and info ask away... Barnstormers next place to post an ad and ???? open to suggestions and your insight. Asking $60,000...and I am not in a hurry...but will be open to reasonable offers too... May leave in the WX blue tooth receiver, and the 2 Pilot ANR's rechargeable head sets...... To the attached document I can there is 1 error...the plane has @ 285 hours, the 375 listed is my TT as a pilot, not this plane. Also that used engine that has never missed a beat since installation & 1st flight, has all the tags, certified rebuild data, yellow tags & receipts. I got it from Wentworth & an insurance salvage from a hanger collapse parked plane, it now has @ 1785SMOH. While the plane is not Grand champion Oshkosh material ....this thing goes, runs up with my CS prop 180 RV pals. And I can give references with EAA Tech Counselor, other RV pilots, RV builders etc....if you want builder opinions. PDF file attached....If you've been to KFZY at its home base, EAA 486 in Oswego NY at our RV forums you probably have seen this plane. Regards David McManmon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "charlie heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 03, 2010
re adv, after I bought my 6a, I waited till early spring to adv my cherokee, got no action from barnstormers an ended up spending some cash on TAP, sold it soon after. Could be dif with selling a vans. Best of luck. Charlie H ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 03, 2010
From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com
Thanks for the advise... I did this post over lunch today. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53904 And I tuned up the PDF description, so sorry but fot hose interested -the revised - again attached to this message.... Respectfully David Mc. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:15 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Hi David, Just to refer to my experience in selling my 6A a bit over a year ago. I share your pain. Two good places to advertise after this list are Van's Airforce (which is free) and Barnstormers (which is very reasonable). I had good responses from both but finally sold through Barnstormers. Both have good circulati on.Though I subscribed, I did not use TAP. It seemed more cumbersome than the other two. Your PDF has good photos and description and can be used in either or both VAF or Barnstormers. Good luck, Richard Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Coming to grips that I probably can not afford my baby... this is very dif ficult .... but I digress.... I thought it best to start here with my very 1st post .. .pdf description attached. Any sincere interest I can send you more photos, email me at NYFlapjack2@a ol.com and info ask away... Barnstormers next place to post an ad and ???? open to suggestions and you r insight. Asking $60,000...and I am not in a hurry...but will be open to reasonable offers too... May leave in the WX blue tooth receiver, and the 2 Pilot ANR's rechargeabl e head sets...... To the attached document I can there is 1 error...the plane has @ 285 hour s, the 375 listed is my TT as a pilot, not this plane. Also that used engine that has never missed a beat since installation & 1s t flight, has all the tags, certified rebuild data, yellow tags & receipts . I got it from Wentworth & an insurance salvage from a hanger collapse parked plane, it now has @ 1785SMOH. While the plane is not Grand champion Oshkosh material ....this thing goes , runs up with my CS prop 180 RV pals. And I can give references with EAA Tech Counselor, other RV pilots, RV bui lders etc....if you want builder opinions. PDF file attached....If you've been to KFZY at its home base, EAA 486 in Oswego NY at our RV forums you probably have seen this plane. Regards David McManmon ======================== =========== -= - The RV-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 03, 2010
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Dave as a suggestion you may want to post a better resolution photo of the panel as buyers do consider panel detail important ant the one posted on VAF may not provide enough detail to give a prospective buyer a good idea of its condition. When selling on the web photos rule. Here is what I did for my 6A (www.painttheweb.com/rv-6A ) and it helped a lot! Now this is overkill and most sellers don't have a staff of web developers to build their site but a few top quality photos are not difficult to take and will help the cause a great deal. Also including your air to air photos in each ad is helpful. Gets people to dream of flying the plane rather than thinking about paying for a plane. Best wishes, Robin From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: RV-List: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale, Thanks for the advise... I did this post over lunch today. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53904 And I tuned up the PDF description, so sorry but fot hose interested -the revised - again attached to this message.... Respectfully David Mc. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:15 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Hi David, Just to refer to my experience in selling my 6A a bit over a year ago. I share your pain. Two good places to advertise after this list are Van's Airforce (which is free) and Barnstormers (which is very reasonable). I had good responses from both but finally sold through Barnstormers. Both have good circulation.Though I subscribed, I did not use TAP. It seemed more cumbersome than the other two. Your PDF has good photos and description and can be used in either or both VAF or Barnstormers. Good luck, Richard Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Coming to grips that I probably can not afford my baby... this is very difficult .... but I digress.... I thought it best to start here with my very 1st post ...pdf description attached. Any sincere interest I can send you more photos, email me at NYFlapjack2(at)aol.com and info ask away... Barnstormers next place to post an ad and ???? open to suggestions and your insight. Asking $60,000...and I am not in a hurry...but will be open to reasonable offers too... May leave in the WX blue tooth receiver, and the 2 Pilot ANR's rechargeable head sets...... To the attached document I can there is 1 error...the plane has @ 285 hours, the 375 listed is my TT as a pilot, not this plane. Also that used engine that has never missed a beat since installation & 1st flight, has all the tags, certified rebuild data, yellow tags & receipts. I got it from Wentworth & an insurance salvage from a hanger collapse parked plane, it now has @ 1785SMOH. While the plane is not Grand champion Oshkosh material ....this thing goes, runs up with my CS prop 180 RV pals. And I can give references with EAA Tech Counselor, other RV pilots, RV builders etc....if you want builder opinions. PDF file attached....If you've been to KFZY at its home base, EAA 486 in Oswego NY at our RV forums you probably have seen this plane. Regards David McManmon et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 03, 2010
From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com
Yes I understand & agree....I made a slide show here with more shots... Thanks David http://s136.photobucket.com/albums/q199/nyflapjack2/RV6%20for%20sale/?albu mview=slideshow -----Original Message----- From: Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 3:05 pm Subject: RE: RV-List: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale, Daveas a suggestion you may want to post a better resolution photo of the panel asbuyers do consider panel detail important ant the one posted on VAF may not provideenough detail to give a prospective buyer a good idea of its condition. Whenselling on the web photos rule. Here is what I did for my 6A (www.painttheweb.com/rv-6A ) and ithelped a lot! Now this is ov erkill and most sellers don=99t have a staff ofweb developers to bui ld their site but a few top quality photos are notdifficult to take and wi ll help the cause a great deal. Also including your airto air photos in ea ch ad is helpful. Gets people to dream of flying the plane ratherthan thin king about paying for a plane. Bestwishes, Robin From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: RV-List: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale, Thanks for the advise... I did this post over lunch today. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53904 And I tuned up the PDF description, so sorry but fot hoseinterested -the revised - again attached to this message.... Respectfully David Mc. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:15 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Hi David, Just to refer to my experience in selling my 6A a bit over a yearago. I sh are your pain. Two good places to advertise after this list are Van's Airforce(which is free) and Barnstormers (which is very reasonable). I had goodresponses fr om both but finally sold through Barnstormers. Both have goodcirculation.T hough I subscribed, I did not use TAP. It seemed morecumbersome than the other two. Your PDF has good photos and description and can be used in eitheror both VAF or Barnstormers. Good luck, Richard Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Coming to grips that I probably can not afford my baby... this isvery diff icult .... but I digress.... I thought it best to start here with my very 1st post .. .pdfdescription attached. Any sincere interest I can send you more photos, email me at NYFlapjack2@a ol.com and info ask away... Barnstormers next place to post an ad and ???? open to suggestions and you rinsight. Asking $60,000...and I am not in a hurry...but will be open to reasonableo ffers too... May leave in the WX blue tooth receiver, and the 2 Pilot ANR's rechargeabl e headsets...... To the attached document I can there is 1 error...the plane has @ 285 hour s,the 375 listed is my TT as a pilot, not this plane. Also that used engine that has never missed a beat since installation & 1s tflight, has all the tags, certified rebuild data, yellow tags &receipts. I got it from Wentworth & an insurance salvage from ahanger collapse par ked plane, it now has @ 1785SMOH. While the plane is not Grand champion Oshkosh material ....this thing goes ,runs up with my CS prop 180 RV pals. And I can give references with EAA Tech Counselor, other RV pilots, RV bui ldersetc....if you want builder opinions. PDF file attached....If you've been to KFZY at its home base, EAA 486 in OswegoNY at our RV forums you probably have seen this plane. Regards David McManmon ======================== =========== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ======================== =========== tp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell(at)fmwildblue.com>
Subject: Fiberglassing forward fuselage skin - Tip-up
Date: Feb 04, 2010
Guys, My RV-9A has a tip-up canopy. The forward fuselage skin is a tad low in some areas as it relates to the canopy skin. I want to match the skins by building up with a micro micro slurry then sand to match. I'm concerned the micro might chip or separate from the aluminum in the future. My plan is to rough up and clean the forward canopy skin, lay down a layer(s) of fiberglass cloth, add peel ply and let it cure. After removing the peel-ply I'd add the epoxy/micro mixture, let it cure, then sand to match. Will the cloth bond the micro to the skin and keep it from chipping away? The buildup in some areas could be a 1/16" or just a tad more. I've tried to research the archives - it's a slow day on the website. Any suggestions are welcome! Thanks... Joe Connell Stewartville, MN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/04/10
From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Date: Feb 05, 2010
Joe, when you do the slider version you put quite a lot of paste tapering to almost nothing. I haven't heard of it peeling off and certainly don't see any problem on mine. For sure you need to rough up the surface of the aluminum but you should be OK with just epoxy filler like West System 410 microflight or similar. Aircraft Spruce has lots of choices here http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cm/fillers.html Ian Brown Guys, My RV-9A has a tip-up canopy. The forward fuselage skin is a tad low in some areas as it relates to the canopy skin. I want to match the skins by building up with a micro micro slurry then sand to match. I'm concerned the micro might chip or separate from the aluminum in the future. My plan is to rough up and clean the forward canopy skin, lay down a layer(s) of fiberglass cloth, add peel ply and let it cure. After removing the peel-ply I'd add the epoxy/micro mixture, let it cure, then sand to match. Will the cloth bond the micro to the skin and keep it from chipping away? The buildup in some areas could be a 1/16" or just a tad more. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 05, 2010
From: <ronburnett(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/04/10
Someone once told me that to take some of the low area under the canopy slider skirt, you might be able to drill out some rivets and put some spacers/longer rivets in. Perhaps that might take some of it out. Ron Burnett RV-6A perpetually finishing Guys, My RV-9A has a tip-up canopy. The forward fuselage skin is a tad low in some areas as it relates to the canopy skin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 05, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Some RV-8 Stick/Dual Time...
Dear Listers, I would like to get some dual time in in an RV-8 over the next few months. Is there anyone on the List kind of near the Livermore California airport with an RV-8 (taildragger) that has dual controls including rudder peddles and preferably a CS prop? With my RV-8 test flight quickly approaching, I would like to get 5-10 hours in an RV-8 before I go to get insurance and go for that first flight. I'm current, have over 100 hours in tailwheels, and carry aircraft renters insurance. I would reimburse for gas and lunches! :-) Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Builders Log Finishing Up... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Some RV-8 Stick/Dual Time...
Date: Feb 05, 2010
On 5 Feb 2010, at 20:33, Matt Dralle wrote: > I would like to get some dual time in in an RV-8 over the next few > months. Is there anyone on the List kind of near the Livermore > California airport with an RV-8 (taildragger) that has dual controls > including rudder peddles and preferably a CS prop? With my RV-8 > test flight quickly approaching, I would like to get 5-10 hours in > an RV-8 before I go to get insurance and go for that first flight. > I'm current, have over 100 hours in tailwheels, and carry aircraft > renters insurance. You have a very hard time finding an RV-8 with rear seat brake pedals, I can't imagine anyone who would sit in back while you flew from the front without brakes back there. If you tried to fly from the back, you'd find the view ahead fairly poor, plus likely have a poor view of the ASI. And no brake pedals. I think an RV-6 or RV-7 is a much better aircraft for this training. Both seats have brakes (if the builder did the right seat brake option), and the view ahead and of the instrument panel is good from the right seat. The -6 and -7 handle quite similarly to an RV-8, so the training is very relevant. The longitudinal stick forces on the -6 or -7 will be somewhere between those of the RV-8 solo and the RV-8 with a pax. As a prospective -8 pilot, you would probably want to be in the right seat of the -6 or -7, to put the stick in the right hand, and the throttle in the left. Fly safe, -- Kevin Horton RV-8 Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 05, 2010
Subject: Re: Some RV-8 Stick/Dual Time...
Matt- You are always welcome to fly with me in the side-by-side nose dragger if you strike out on the 8 tw. I have full controls both sides. -N1GV (RV-6A Flying 934TTAE Silicon Valley, CA) In a message dated 2/5/2010 5:36:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dralle(at)matronics.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I would like to get some dual time in in an RV-8 over the next few months. Is there anyone on the List kind of near the Livermore California airport with an RV-8 (taildragger) that has dual controls including rudder peddles and preferably a CS prop? With my RV-8 test flight quickly approaching, I would like to get 5-10 hours in an RV-8 before I go to get insurance and go for that first flight. I'm current, have over 100 hours in tailwheels, and carry aircraft renters insurance. I would reimburse for gas and lunches! :-) Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Builders Log Finishing Up... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Some RV-8 Stick/Dual Time...
Date: Feb 05, 2010
Exactly what I did in an RV-6. The insurance company (Nation Air) was happy with time in any RV. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (525 hrs) RV-10 (systems install) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Some RV-8 Stick/Dual Time... On 5 Feb 2010, at 20:33, Matt Dralle wrote: > I would like to get some dual time in in an RV-8 over the next few > months. Is there anyone on the List kind of near the Livermore > California airport with an RV-8 (taildragger) that has dual controls > including rudder peddles and preferably a CS prop? With my RV-8 > test flight quickly approaching, I would like to get 5-10 hours in > an RV-8 before I go to get insurance and go for that first flight. > I'm current, have over 100 hours in tailwheels, and carry aircraft > renters insurance. You have a very hard time finding an RV-8 with rear seat brake pedals, I can't imagine anyone who would sit in back while you flew from the front without brakes back there. If you tried to fly from the back, you'd find the view ahead fairly poor, plus likely have a poor view of the ASI. And no brake pedals. I think an RV-6 or RV-7 is a much better aircraft for this training. Both seats have brakes (if the builder did the right seat brake option), and the view ahead and of the instrument panel is good from the right seat. The -6 and -7 handle quite similarly to an RV-8, so the training is very relevant. The longitudinal stick forces on the -6 or -7 will be somewhere between those of the RV-8 solo and the RV-8 with a pax. As a prospective -8 pilot, you would probably want to be in the right seat of the -6 or -7, to put the stick in the right hand, and the throttle in the left. Fly safe, -- Kevin Horton RV-8 Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 06, 2010
Subject: Re: Some RV-8 Stick/Dual Time...
From: Dale Ellis <rv8builder.kd0m(at)gmail.com>
Fly either the 6 or the 7 from the right seat. That way, the stick and throttle will be the correct hands!! On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Kevin Horton wrote: > > On 5 Feb 2010, at 20:33, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> I would like to get some dual time in in an RV-8 over the next few months. >> Is there anyone on the List kind of near the Livermore California airport >> with an RV-8 (taildragger) that has dual controls including rudder peddles >> and preferably a CS prop? With my RV-8 test flight quickly approaching, I >> would like to get 5-10 hours in an RV-8 before I go to get insurance and go >> for that first flight. I'm current, have over 100 hours in tailwheels, and >> carry aircraft renters insurance. > > You have a very hard time finding an RV-8 with rear seat brake pedals, I > can't imagine anyone who would sit in back while you flew from the front > without brakes back there. If you tried to fly from the back, you'd find > the view ahead fairly poor, plus likely have a poor view of the ASI. And no > brake pedals. > > I think an RV-6 or RV-7 is a much better aircraft for this training. Both > seats have brakes (if the builder did the right seat brake option), and the > view ahead and of the instrument panel is good from the right seat. The -6 > and -7 handle quite similarly to an RV-8, so the training is very relevant. > The longitudinal stick forces on the -6 or -7 will be somewhere between > those of the RV-8 solo and the RV-8 with a pax. As a prospective -8 pilot, > you would probably want to be in the right seat of the -6 or -7, to put the > stick in the right hand, and the throttle in the left. > > Fly safe, > > -- > Kevin Horton > RV-8 > Ottawa, Canada > http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: More on my RV6 for sale
Date: Feb 06, 2010
From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com
In case you know of some interest...RV6 1999, 0320H2AD 160HP FP. $60,000 I added a new slide show, this of my ship all tore down and on display li ke 10 years ago.... A fan of my plane whom sent me these photos this week.. Seems he kept my planes photos all these years! Thank you Gary Palinkas http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53904 Thanks for the bandwitdh...regards David Mc. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 07, 2010
Subject: Autopilot
From: Ken Cox <cox.ken(at)gmail.com>
I am just getting started on a 7 empennage and would like to know if I need to be aware of any special planning if I will be installing an autopilot? I have no idea of how and where the autopilot servos are installed? Any help from the more experienced would be much appreciated. -- KC c-817.832.3711 "You had better live every day like it's your last day 'cause one day you're going to be right." -Ray Charles ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Autopilot
Date: Feb 07, 2010
Ken, There is nothing special you need to do on the empennage to prepare for an autopilot. Some point during wing construction is a good time to start that process and at least lay the groundwork. It is easier to install your roll servo in the wing before the wing is closed, but even if you defer that choice, you can retrofit a servo into the wing or fuse later, but with a higher degree of difficulty. Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Cox" <cox.ken(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: RV-List: Autopilot > > I am just getting started on a 7 empennage and would like to know if I > need to be aware of any special planning if I will be installing an > autopilot? I have no idea of how and where the autopilot servos are > installed? Any help from the more experienced would be much > appreciated. > > -- > KC > c-817.832.3711 > > > "You had better live every day like it's your last day 'cause one day > you're going to be right." > > -Ray Charles > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <flylists(at)dbarrett.net>
Subject: Autopilot
Date: Feb 07, 2010
KC - I think you'll find the TruTrak pitch servo installation typical of all the autopilots that you'll be considering. Here's a link that showing that installation: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/RV-679PitchInstall.pdf It's just aft of the F-706 (baggage) bulkhead. You won't get to that until you're working on the fuselage kit. Build on! David Barrett RV-7 fuselage -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Cox Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: RV-List: Autopilot I am just getting started on a 7 empennage and would like to know if I need to be aware of any special planning if I will be installing an autopilot? I have no idea of how and where the autopilot servos are installed? Any help from the more experienced would be much appreciated. -- KC c-817.832.3711 "You had better live every day like it's your last day 'cause one day you're going to be right." -Ray Charles ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Autopilot
Date: Feb 07, 2010
Not the autopilot, but the trim, concerns the empennage. Electric or manual elevator trim is different there. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA I am just getting started on a 7 empennage and would like to know if I need to be aware of any special planning if I will be installing an autopilot? I have no idea of how and where the autopilot servos are installed? Any help from the more experienced would be much appreciated. -- KC c-817.832.3711 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4844 (20100207) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Autopilot
From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com>
KC: IN THE RV-7 THE AUTOPILOT ELEVATOR SERVO MOUNTS BEHIND THE ELEVATOR BELLCRANK ASSEMBLY BACK BEHIND THE BAGGAGE COMPARTMENT AND CONNECTS TO THE BELLCRANK VIA A SHORT PUSH/PULL ROD. IT LITERALLY MOVES THE ELEVATOR PUSH ROD BACK AND FORTH - THEREBY MOVING THE ELEVATOR UP/DOWN. THERE IS NOTHING YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT OR MAKE PROVISIONS FOR WHILE ASSEMBLING THE TAIL COMPONENENTS. YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE ELEVATOR TRIM TAB AND MAYBE THE TRIM TAB IS MOVED BY THE AUTO PILOT. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. DAN BERGERON RV-7A, N307TB 98 HOURS SINCE FIRST FLIGHT ON 8/4/09 On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Ralph & Maria Finch < ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com> wrote: > ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com> > > Not the autopilot, but the trim, concerns the empennage. Electric or manual > elevator trim is different there. > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > RV-9A QB-SA > > > I am just getting started on a 7 empennage and would like to know if I > need to be aware of any special planning if I will be installing an > autopilot? I have no idea of how and where the autopilot servos are > installed? Any help from the more experienced would be much > appreciated. > > -- > KC > c-817.832.3711 > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4844 (20100207) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David L. White" <dwhite17(at)columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Flying from East of Rockies to Vans
Date: Feb 07, 2010
Greetings: I am starting to plan a trip from Ohio to Tacoma, Washington this summer in an RV6A. I know there have been quite few RVers out there who have made the voyage from East of the Rocky Mountains to Vans in Oregon. I was hoping some of you who have made that trip might send me your flight plan or path of travel over the Rockies. Thanks in advance David White N176LD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: Flying from East of Rockies to Vans
Date: Feb 08, 2010
Dave, I have flown to Vans several times from Wisconsin where I live. If you use Boseman Mt. or a little north of there, as your course line, you can make most of the trip @ 10,000 ft or less. If you can borrow a oxygen system, it is a good safety item to have in case you have to go higher for short periods for weather etc. Note: I experienced hypoxia on one of my first triips west. I did not have and oxygen system and I was foolishly flying above 10,000 for a fairly long period.. I realized it when I attempted to perform routine course corrections and had difficulty doing it----- Good Luck. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one From: David L. White To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: RV-List: Flying from East of Rockies to Vans Greetings: I am starting to plan a trip from Ohio to Tacoma, Washington this summer in an RV6A. I know there have been quite few RVers out there who have made the voyage from East of the Rocky Mountains to Vans in Oregon. I was hoping some of you who have made that trip might send me your flight plan or path of travel over the Rockies. Thanks in advance David White N176LD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2010
From: Bruce Swayze <swayze(at)europa.com>
Subject: Re: Autopilot
Ken, I installed TruTrak servo brackets in my RV-7A while building. There's nothing to worry about with the empennage. One servo goes in the wings and the other one in the fuselage, as others have pointed out. So there's nothing to worry about until you're about finished with your wings. One aileron bellcrank bracket is replaced with the one designed to hold the servo in the wing. You can see how I did it here: http://www.europa.com/~swayze/RV-7A/Wings/20080908.html And here's how I installed the bracket for the pitch servo in the fuselage: http://www.europa.com/~swayze/RV-7A/Fuselage/20090620.html Good luck with your project. Bruce Swayze At 06:40 AM 2/7/2010, you wrote: > >I am just getting started on a 7 empennage and would like to know if I >need to be aware of any special planning if I will be installing an >autopilot? I have no idea of how and where the autopilot servos are >installed? Any help from the more experienced would be much >appreciated. > >-- >KC >c-817.832.3711 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com>
Subject: Flying from East of Rockies to Vans
Date: Feb 08, 2010
-----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying from East of Rockies to Vans > > Greetings: > > I am starting to plan a trip from Ohio to Tacoma, Washington this > summer > in an RV6A. I know there have been quite few RVers out there who have > made the voyage from East of the Rocky Mountains to Vans in Oregon. I > was hoping some of you who have made that trip might send me your flight > plan or path of travel over the Rockies. > > Thanks in advance > > David White > N176LD > > David: This subject deserves a book. Do you just want to get there or do some sightseeing on the way? What is your altitude tolerance/experience? Can you pick your time of flight to accommodate the weather? Is time a factor? Do you have mountain flying experience of any kind? If so, what kind? With RV's one can overfly nearly any mountain range you like. Your personal altitude tolerance will dictate more specifically what you do. That, and the availability of O2. One route I've taken (from SE Michigan) included overnight at Rapid City, SD, from there more or less direct to Casper WY, Riverton and Jackson Hole. From Jackson: thru the pass into the Snake River plain and the ridges to Salmon, ID, Missoula, MT, Sand Point, ID, Portland, OR. Also, from Sand Point, southwest toward Spokane, thence west more or less direct to Skagit County north of Seattle. Takes you past the south end of Lake Chelan. Some, when flying into the Portland area fly the Columbia River Gorge. I have not had to do that but I understand the rule is; stay to the right. Jackson, WY is more or less 6000' elevation and staying in the valley permits flight at 8500' or so. The pass at Jackson, as I recall is ~8000'. I have also used the Snake River Plain from Jackson past Idaho Falls, Boise, then toward Yakima. If you prefer to stay a bit further south, Omaha, North Platte, Rawlins, Bear Lake, Jerome,ID, Boise works pretty well. If you find yourself near Casper WY, expect it to be windy. I landed there and felt it necessary to tie the airplane down while visiting the FSS. The highest I've flown to the northwest is 12,500' over Glacier National Park to Kalispell. Time at that altitude was less than an hour. I might have gone almost that high briefly across the Cascades going in to Skagit County, near Anacortes. I fly a 160hp RV-4 with a Sensenich metal prop twisted to the max for that forging. I only fly VFR and these trips are restricted to daylight. Contact me if you wish to talk further. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fiberglass Windscreen Bezel
Hey guys, Well, the fiberglass windscreen bezel is THE job I have been dreading the most about this RV-8 project. I'm happy to report that tonight it is complete! And it turned out really nice. I documented the whole process on my RV-8 builder's blog here (11 log entries): http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=98294&row=11 It took two tries to get it the way I wanted it. The first time, I didn't get the line straight left-to-right and the dip in the center wasn't in the center. The second time around, I made sure it was dead on! I've attached a few photos of the process (more on the blog). Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don" <dsvs(at)ca.rr.com>
Subject: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Date: Feb 08, 2010
Matt, I can't remember the conversion and I am sure that someone else will answer that before I can get to my hangar and look at my torque wrench that has the conversion in the box. I can say yes you do safety wire the bolts. Alxo it looks like the piece you made behind the prop cut out in the spinner is very close to the prop. You should be very carefull with that as the4 prop will flex backwards and will wear if the spinner filler is too close. Both Dan C and I had this problem. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2010
From: John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com>
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Matt, First, thanks for the list. The torque is a ratio of the claw to the handle. If the crow foot is 1" from the square hole to the center of the nut and the handle is 10" from the square peg to the center of the handle, then the ratio is 10%. If you apply 100 in/lbs it will be 110 at the nut. John Morgensen RV4 - flying RV9A - Wiring Matt Dralle wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: ZAON PCAS MRX
Is there anyone on the list flying with one of these collision avoidance devices that can give a pirep? -Thx N1GV (RV-6A Flying 934TTAE Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Date: Feb 09, 2010
.and if you clock the adapter so it's 90-deg from the torque wrench, no math is required. Neal RV-7 N8ZG ================= Matt, First, thanks for the list. The torque is a ratio of the claw to the handle. If the crow foot is 1" from the square hole to the center of the nut and the handle is 10" from the square peg to the center of the handle, then the ratio is 10%. If you apply 100 in/lbs it will be 110 at the nut. John Morgensen RV4 - flying RV9A - Wiring Matt Dralle wrote: Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fisher Paul A." <FisherPaulA(at)johndeere.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Matt, You can use one of the converters online to do the calculations for you like this one: http://www.norbar.com/Calculators/TorqueWrenchExtensionCalculator/tabid/70/Default.aspx They also show you the math behind it if you'd rather do it yourself. Paul A. Fisher RV-7A N18PF ~70 hours waiting for the snow to stop! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 22:17 Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Date: Feb 09, 2010
I would be interested in hearing from any prop shop folks on the list about the safety wire. I was told by my inspector the roll pins were not there for safety wire and the prop was not required to be safety wired. I contacted a repair shop nearby at the time and was told the same thing. My prop bolts are not and have never been safety wired. I know this will bring lots of comments but just know I am not advocating it either way. I am curious if there is anybody that knows the real answer based on something real. Out of curiosity does anyone know if they are safety wired on certified aircraft when they leave the factory? Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:17 PM Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2010
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Go look around the ramp. I doubt you will find any certified planes with Hartzells that are not safety-wired. Yes, safety wiring the prop nuts is a major pain in the backsides. Or you could just read the owners manual(aka RTFM) available for download at http://www.hartzellprop.com/product_support/index_support.htm Basically, it says to safety wire if required by the aircraft maintenance manual. Since you create that, I guess you could avoid safetying. So I guess your inspector was technically correct, but I think you will find in general Hartzells are safetied like most props retained by conventional bolts. Kelly EAA Tech counselor A&P/IA Tim Bryan wrote: > > I would be interested in hearing from any prop shop folks on the list about > the safety wire. I was told by my inspector the roll pins were not there > for safety wire and the prop was not required to be safety wired. I > contacted a repair shop nearby at the time and was told the same thing. My > prop bolts are not and have never been safety wired. I know this will bring > lots of comments but just know I am not advocating it either way. I am > curious if there is anybody that knows the real answer based on something > real. Out of curiosity does anyone know if they are safety wired on > certified aircraft when they leave the factory? > > Tim Bryan > RV-6 Flying > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:17 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel > Pants... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
From: richard seiders <dickseiders(at)gmail.com>
ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut te prop. (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back to the backing plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just enough. I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins. Dick On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: ZAON PCAS MRX
From: richard seiders <dickseiders(at)gmail.com>
I use the mrx unit an while not the answer to all collision issues it is great! It won't tell you where the target is , but w/i 5 miles it will pick it up and tell you how far from you it is and above or below your altitude in hundreds of feet increments. What more do you need? The altitude is the key and if the distance is closing and you are at same level either climb or desend to avoid potential conflict. Not the answer for airplanes flying around you w/o a transponder, but fortunately those numbers are few. Dick Seiders On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:51 AM, wrote: > Is there anyone on the list flying with one of these collision avoidance > devices that can give a pirep? > > -Thx > > N1GV (RV-6A Flying 934TTAE Silicon Valley, CA) > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Yes you so use safety wire. I used .041. It is very difficult to use -- particularly in the close quarters. A propeller shop near here recommends .032. Hartzel recommends .041 in the manual . I've heard some say that they know of individuals who don't use safety wire at all --- I would not recommend this!! good luck dave On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Don wrote: > > Matt, > I can't remember the conversion and I am sure that someone else will > answer > that before I can get to my hangar and look at my torque wrench that > has the > conversion in the box. I can say yes you do safety wire the bolts. > Alxo it > looks like the piece you made behind the prop cut out in the spinner > is very > close to the prop. You should be very carefull with that as the4 > prop will > flex backwards and will wear if the spinner filler is too close. > Both Dan C > and I had this problem. Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:17 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a > safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass > Around Wheel > Pants... > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Matt: The Owner's Manual for the prop says that it needs to be safety wired. I will confess that I flew my RV-6 for 12-years and over 2=2C000 hours with out the safety wire. I did safety wire it after I had it overhauled. I lo oked up the torque in the Owner's Manual and found the note about safety wi ring it after the overhaul re-installation. The easy way for the torque is to just make sure that the wrench is 90 degr ees to the torque wrench so that the conversion is one to one. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C2341+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Monday=2C February 08=2C 2010 8:17 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers=2C > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question=2C on those hartzell prop bolts=2C do you run a safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wh eel > Pants... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
I think I recall finding answers to all these questions in the hartzell manual that came with the prop. On 2/9/10, richard seiders wrote: > ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut te prop. > (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back to the backing > plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just enough. > I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: >> >> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx >> >> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this >> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? >> >> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire >> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV >> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log >> Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... >> > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ZAON PCAS MRX
From: "jjconstant" <jjconstant(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 09, 2010
There are a good number of reviews over here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=50807&highlight=zaon+mrx Jeremy Constant RV7A Phase I...3 hours! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285637#285637 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Charles Brame <chasb(at)satx.rr.com>
Subject: Torque Wrench Extension
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Matt, et. al., As long as the torque wrench is positioned exactly 90 degrees to the extension, the torque values are the same as if the wrench was applied directly to the nut. The length of the extension does not matter. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ----------------------------------------------------- > From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension > on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a > safety wire though > those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Date: Feb 09, 2010
I have always safety wired mine..... Through the roll pins.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:24 AM, richard seiders wrote: > ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut > te prop. (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back > to the backing plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just > enough. > I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle > wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a > safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <smitty(at)smittysrv.com>
Subject: Re: Torque Wrench Extension
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Sears also has several selections of extension wrenches: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=crowfoot+wrench&v Name Here's a Torque Wrench Extension Calculator: http://www.rv7.us/a_u-torquewrenchsetting.htm Smitty http://SmittysRV.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Brame To: RV List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: RV-List: Torque Wrench Extension Matt, et. al., As long as the torque wrench is positioned exactly 90 degrees to the extension, the torque values are the same as if the wrench was applied directly to the nut. The length of the extension does not matter. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ----------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Hmmm. My Hartzell manual specified 0.032" safety wire. John D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wade Roe" <wroe1(at)dbtech.net>
Subject: Ignition Cable Seals
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Hello all. I need a source for ignition cable seals to mount on the engine baffling of my -7. Did not see on Spruce's website. Any suggestions? Thanks! Wade Roe RV-7 (in progress) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: Ignition Cable Seals
From: Randy Hooper <krhooper(at)gmail.com>
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Subject: XM WX Price Increase
Date: Feb 09, 2010
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Snip: In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon your next renewal. I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save a few $. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: XM WX Price Increase
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Interesting that the WX pricing goes up at the same time they lost the DirecTv business. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07 PM Subject: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase Snip: In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon your next renewal. I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save a few $. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2010
Subject: Re: XM WX Price Increase
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Ads-b is lookin better and better. On 2/9/10, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Interesting that the WX pricing goes up at the same time they lost the > DirecTv business. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase > > > Snip: > In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the > XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and > the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon > your next renewal. > > I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save > a few $. > > Robin > > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale,
Date: Feb 10, 2010
From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com
Lowered the price to $ 55,000 since others asked & pointed out other plane sfs to me. Thought I'd let everybody know...thanks for the bandwidth. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=402527#post402527 -----Original Message----- From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:19 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale, Yes I understand & agree....I made a slide show here with more shots... Thanks David http://s136.photobucket.com/albums/q199/nyflapjack2/RV6%20for%20sale/?albu mview=slideshow -----Original Message----- From: Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 3:05 pm Subject: RE: RV-List: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale, Dave as a suggestion you may want to post a better resolution photo of the panel as buyers do consider panel detail important ant the one posted on VAF may not provide enough detail to give a prospective buyer a good idea of its condition. When selling on the web photos rule. Here is what I did for my 6A (www.painttheweb.com/rv-6A ) and it helped a lot! Now this is overkill and most sellers don=99t have a staff of web developers to build their site but a few top quality photos are not difficult to take and will help the cause a great deal. Also including your air to air phot os in each ad is helpful. Gets people to dream of flying the plane rather than thinking about paying for a plane. Best wishes, Robin From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matr onics.com] On Behalf Of rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: RV-List: FJ2's VAF RV6 for sale, Thanks for the advise... I did this post over lunch today. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53904 And I tuned up the PDF description, so sorry but fot hose interested -the revised - again attached to this message.... Respectfully David Mc. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:15 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Hi David, Just to refer to my experience in selling my 6A a bit over a year ago. I share your pain. Two good places to advertise after this list are Van's Airforce (which is free) and Barnstormers (which is very reasonable). I had good responses from both but finally sold through Barnstormers. Both have good circulati on.Though I subscribed, I did not use TAP. It seemed more cumbersome than the other two. Your PDF has good photos and description and can be used in either or both VAF or Barnstormers. Good luck, Richard Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: rv6160hp(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6 for sale, Coming to grips that I probably can not afford my baby... this is very dif ficult .... but I digress.... I thought it best to start here with my very 1st post .. .pdf description attached. Any sincere interest I can send you more photos, email me at NYFlapjack2@a ol.com and info ask away... Barnstormers next place to post an ad and ???? open to suggestions and you r insight. Asking $60,000...and I am not in a hurry...but will be open to reasonable offers too... May leave in the WX blue tooth receiver, and the 2 Pilot ANR's rechargeabl e head sets...... To the attached document I can there is 1 error...the plane has @ 285 hour s, the 375 listed is my TT as a pilot, not this plane. Also that used engine that has never missed a beat since installation & 1s t flight, has all the tags, certified rebuild data, yellow tags & receipts . I got it from Wentworth & an insurance salvage from a hanger collapse parked plane, it now has @ 1785SMOH. While the plane is not Grand champion Oshkosh material ....this thing goes , runs up with my CS prop 180 RV pals. And I can give references with EAA Tech Counselor, other RV pilots, RV bui lders etc....if you want builder opinions. PDF file attached....If you've been to KFZY at its home base, EAA 486 in Oswego NY at our RV forums you probably have seen this plane. Regards David McManmon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: halbenjamin(at)optonline.net
Subject: Re: Ignition Cable Seals
Hi Wade, Aircraft Spruce does have them. They keep them on the same shelf as the left handed catcher's mitts. Link is below. Click on the funky seal picture for more info. Happy Sealing! Hal Benjamin RV4 Long Island, NY Last 40,000 items http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Roe Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 2:12 pm Subject: RV-List: Ignition Cable Seals > Hello all. I need a source for ignition cable seals to mount on > the engine > baffling of my -7. Did not see on Spruce's website. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Wade Roe > > > > RV-7 (in progress) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV8 Windscreen Metal Bezel
At 08:54 AM 2/10/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: >Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders & Owners, I just saw some photos of Matt Dralle's RV-8 windscreen and the metal bezel around the roll bar and top of windscreen is beautiful! Mounting the wind screen is two steps away for my construction and I want to that application for my bird. Looked like the presentation on a F104. Who knows how it's make? Do I need metal stretcher or what? What type and thickness of metal is used, Screw size and type ? Is there a template somewhere? I called Van's, talked to Ken, they got nothing. Hope to hear from you all soon as this is a much better looking way, Bill of Georgia RV-8a Wiring Hi Bill, Below are 17 entries from my RV-8 Builder's Log where I document the process of fabricating that metal bezel over the windscreen/rollbar on the RV-8. I can't imagine doing a fiberglass lay up over the top like that. What a mess it would make inside the cabin. The metal bezel is very strong. I used .032" for the main bezel plus another .032" stiffener at the top. I originally went with #6 screws, but the broke a tap off in the hole and had to go with #8. I'd probably do #8 again from the start just for the increased surface area. No shrinker/stretcher needed. Just a very accurate pattern as shown in the photos. Let me know if you have any questions. Metal Bezel For Windscreen/Rollbar: (12 Log Entries - Parts 1 - 12): http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=93178&row=158 (2 Log Entries - Parts 1 - 2): http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=94693&row=139 (3 Log Entries - Parts 1 - 3): http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'370&row=48 Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Finishing Up... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8 Windscreen Metal Bezel
Date: Feb 11, 2010
From: "Kopp, Kenneth G CDR HSM-70, N0 Exec Staff" <kenneth.kopp(at)navy.mil>
Matt - do you still have the final patterns you used? I'd be happy to buy them off you and pay for shipping. I love what you've done and believe this is the way to go. Nice work! Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV8 Windscreen Metal Bezel
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Feb 11, 2010
koppk1 wrote: > Matt - do you still have the final patterns you used? I'd be happy to buy them off you and pay for shipping. I love what you've done and believe this is the way to go. Nice work! > > Ken > -- Well, I could float you my patterns, but I would strongly recommend that you just measure out your own based on the dynamics of your own canopy/windscreen/rollbar dynamics. The bezel has to fit down really tightly around the windscreen and depending on the size of spacers you use to offset the Plexi, how you cut your windscreen out, the fit of your fiberglass side skirts, etc, etc, etc, your fit is probably going to be quite a bit different. Cutting the pattern is really pretty easy. Go to Office Max or where ever and get some of the 2' x 3' filecard cardboard and tape two together and just scotch tape it over the top of the windscreen and mark it. Cut it out and tape it back on and then double check all of the dimensions. If it isn't quite right, just make a new pattern. Patterns are easy and cheap to make and the "bendability" of the filecard cardboard is very very similar to the .032" aluminum. Once you get a perfect cardboard version of the pattern, transfer it to a piece of aluminum and cut it out with Dremel cutoff wheel, then carefully file it down to the exact size. I would strongly recommend adding the stiffener at the top as shown in some of the log pictures. However, in the initial pattern pictures, I show the stiffener piece being as wide as the actual bezel. Don't do this. You don't want the stiffener between the main bezel and the Plexi as it will leave a lump in the middle. Cut it wide enough to butt up against the Plexi and about 6-8" either side of the center. On mine, the center section is plenty strong to use as a "handle" for getting in and out. I bet those fiberglass ones aren't... BTW, on my original post, the URLs would take you to the initial log entry, but then if you click "Next Log" it wouldn't actually go to the next Log. The URLs above are corrected such that the Next/Previous buttons work correctly. Let me know if you have any questions. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log -------- Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285988#285988 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Hmmm. My Hartzell manual specified 0.032" safety wire. John D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: small fuel leak
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
At the point of having 0.4 hours on my engine (not flying yet), I have noticed a small fuel leak on one of the fittings on my AFP boost pump. The fitting just gets slightly wet with fuel. It's not fast enough to actually drip. The leak is at one of the flared tubing fittings on the tube that comes out of the "back" of the pump, does quick 180 and goes 6 inches forward to a T. It's leaking at the T. I tried re-torquing the B nut (I use a fish scale on the end of the wrench to get the nominal torque value for the fitting) , but the next day it was wet again - just sitting there. Running the boost pump with the purge valve closed (to pump fuel from the left tank to the right) doesn't seem to provoke it to leak. The next thing to do, I guess, is to remove this short run of tube, examine and clean all the the sealing surfaces and re-assemble it. I'd hate to try to make a new piece of tubing - that short 180 deg. bend would be hard to make. Of course, if I find that a flare has cracked, I'll have no choice. Has any one else had this problem? Is there any better way to deal with this? Gee I hate plumbing. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2010
Subject: small fuel leak
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
At the point of having 0.4 hours on my engine (not flying yet), I have noticed a small fuel leak on one of the fittings on my AFP boost pump. The fitting just gets slightly wet with fuel. It's not fast enough to actually drip. The leak is at one of the flared tubing fittings on the tube that comes out of the "back" of the pump, does quick 180 and goes 6 inches forward to a T. It's leaking at the T. I tried re-torquing the B nut (I use a fish scale on the end of the wrench to get the nominal torque value for the fitting) , but the next day it was wet again - just sitting there. Running the boost pump with the purge valve closed (to pump fuel from the left tank to the right) doesn't seem to provoke it to leak. The next thing to do, I guess, is to remove this short run of tube, examine and clean all the the sealing surfaces and re-assemble it. I'd hate to try to make a new piece of tubing - that short 180 deg. bend would be hard to make. Of course, if I find that a flare has cracked, I'll have no choice. Has any one else had this problem? Is there any better way to deal with this? Gee I hate plumbing. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: small fuel leak
Date: Feb 11, 2010
You can buy 37 degree 'gaskets' made out of very soft aluminum from aircraft spruce in at least the -4 and -6 sizes. The aluminum is soft enough that it will fill and seal minor imperfections. I have more than one of them in my airplane - they're even on the 'approved' list according to ACS...... ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: RV-List: small fuel leak At the point of having 0.4 hours on my engine (not flying yet), I have noticed a small fuel leak on one of the fittings on my AFP boost pump. The fitting just gets slightly wet with fuel. It's not fast enough to actually drip. The leak is at one of the flared tubing fittings on the tube that comes out of the "back" of the pump, does quick 180 and goes 6 inches forward to a T. It's leaking at the T. I tried re-torquing the B nut (I use a fish scale on the end of the wrench to get the nominal torque value for the fitting) , but the next day it was wet again - just sitting there. Running the boost pump with the purge valve closed (to pump fuel from the left tank to the right) doesn't seem to provoke it to leak. The next thing to do, I guess, is to remove this short run of tube, examine and clean all the the sealing surfaces and re-assemble it. I'd hate to try to make a new piece of tubing - that short 180 deg. bend would be hard to make. Of course, if I find that a flare has cracked, I'll have no choice. Has any one else had this problem? Is there any better way to deal with this? Gee I hate plumbing. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2010
Subject: Re: small fuel leak
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
Ralph: That sounds like a great idea. It's good to know there is something else to try. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > You can buy 37 degree 'gaskets' made out of very soft aluminum from > aircraft spruce in at least the -4 and -6 sizes. The aluminum is soft > enough that it will fill and seal minor imperfections. > > I have more than one of them in my airplane - they're even on the > 'approved' list according to ACS...... > > -- Tom Sargent ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: small fuel leak
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Tom, I have also used the soft crushable aluminum AN fitting washers - they are cone shaped and will fit right over the male part of the fitting. They are very soft so handle with care. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com <http://www.andersonee.com> http://www.andersonee.com <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: small fuel leak Ralph: That sounds like a great idea. It's good to know there is something else to try. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: You can buy 37 degree 'gaskets' made out of very soft aluminum from aircraft spruce in at least the -4 and -6 sizes. The aluminum is soft enough that it will fill and seal minor imperfections. I have more than one of them in my airplane - they're even on the 'approved' list according to ACS...... -- Tom Sargent __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2010
From: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Hi gang, I'm looking for anyone who can advise me about living and flying in the Santa Barbara, CA area. I'll be retiring in May and have been considering southern Cal for several years. I would love to talk to anyone who has lived and flown in the SB area. Louis I Willig 1640 Oakwood Dr. Penn Valley, PA 19072 610 668-4964 RV-4, N180PF 190HP IO-360, C/S prop (610) 529-4224 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Louis, Take a look at the high desert if you want to move to CA. Housing is half the price of Santa Barbara and we don't get all the coastal fog. :-) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Willig" <larywil(at)comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > Hi gang, > > I'm looking for anyone who can advise me about living and flying in the > Santa Barbara, CA area. I'll be retiring in May and have been considering > southern Cal for several years. > > I would love to talk to anyone who has lived and flown in the SB area. > > > Louis I Willig > 1640 Oakwood Dr. > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > 610 668-4964 > RV-4, N180PF > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop > (610) 529-4224 > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4864 (20100213) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 14, 2010
If you like taxes, come on over. Weather is nice, but taxes are hell here and going up=85way up. You get taxed on everything here in CA --- airplanes (1% of the County=92s appraised value), hangers (1% again, even a rental hanger here in Santa Barbara County at Santa Maria Airport SMX), personal property (1%), real property (1% again), sales tax 7 =BE% to 9 =BD% depending on the county, and the biggest one, State income tax and capital gains tax, roughly 8% to 15%. I repossessed a RV9A that I built=92 from a friend who couldn=92t keep up with the payments and the California State Board of Equalization (California=92s IRS) is after me for sales tax!!! It=92s actually worse than the California liberal media will report. Roads are terrible, medical services are overrun with illegal=92s, school class sizes are increasing, and neighborhoods gangs are taking over. In all, the quality of life here on the Central Coast is declining rapidly and steadily, and probably statewide also. Weather is the only constant. I=92m a native Californian, but we=92re leaving California in the next year probably for Nevada (no income tax) or Oregon (no sales tax). California can replace me and my wife with an illegal Mexican couple. Adios. PS My hanger and home will be for sale. If intereted, contact me by email, chuck(at)chuckdirect.com _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 14, 2010
Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and its a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4866 (20100214) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2010
From: Raymond Wallace <rawmailman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: February EAA Chapter 1141 Meeting
- - Come One, Come All!!! - Don't forget that Tuesday, February 16th at 7:00pm-is the monthly meeting .- The MPA will be holding their meeting on the same day at Front Range A viation.- Hope to see you all there.- Don't be late.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 15, 2010
So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and labors of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent and/or hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percent of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I drive a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with all the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! Chuck RV9A (458 hours) RV10 (sold) 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and its a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4866 (20100214) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
From: Tim Randles <tim.randles(at)gmail.com>
At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't want to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible. Tim On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote : > > So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for > sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and > labors > of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent > and/or > hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percen t > of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? > > We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I dri ve > a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to > $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S > commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with al l > the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the > highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare > system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest > welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment > with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! > > In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit > except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing > has > been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news > (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently m y > RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! > > Chuck > RV9A (458 hours) > RV10 (sold) > 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria > Finch > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > > > Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it=92s a good life in spite of all t he > doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money > (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I > can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider > SB, > maybe you've spent some time there before. > > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > RV-9A QB-SA > > > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Tailgummer(at)aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it 's > to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swi ng > it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? > Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, grea t > weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your > family. > John D > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signatu re > database 4866 (20100214) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 15, 2010
Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. This subject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely RV related. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't want to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible. Tim On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote: So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and labors of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent and/or hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percent of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I drive a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with all the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! Chuck RV9A (458 hours) RV10 (sold) 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it's a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4866 (20100214) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ========== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Subject: Santa Barbara
I agree.... Feedback is good... If someone can't handle the truth,, hit the delete key please. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:17:03 -0800 Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. This s ubject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely RV related. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't wa nt to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you ple ase take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that no nsense as much as possible. Tim On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wr ote: So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay fo r sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and la bors of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent an d/or hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One perce nt of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I dr ive a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with a ll the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfar e system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal new s (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! Chuck RV9A (458 hours) RV10 (sold) 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria F inch Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it=92s a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the mone y (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol. com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if i t's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can sw ing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, gre at weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signat ure database 4866 (20100214) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comh ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =================== ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=yypBFScgiC_8kuKs3k4vY AAAJ1HOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEU gAAAAA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Subject: Re: Santa BarbaraSanta BarbaraSanta Barbara
I spent most of my 45 year Navy/defense contractor career in CA - Lemoore, Monterey, Alameda, China Lake, Pt. Mugu, San Pedro, Sunnyvale, Lancaster an d finally back to China Lake. In a broad sense, there are at least three di fferent California's - the Bay Area with all its fruits and nuts, LA and al l its LA people, and the rest of the state where normality seems to increas e the further inland you go. Move to the High Desert - or somewhere east of the Sierra. You'll find the state ungovernable, but at least you'll appreciate the scenery and your nei ghbors. Paul Valovich RV-8A N192NM Reserved (again) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 16, 2010
How 'bout those RVs, eh? Pretty good planes, don't ya think? (g) _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh(at)netzero.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:16 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara I agree.... Feedback is good... If someone can't handle the truth,, hit the delete key please. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:17:03 -0800 Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. This subject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely RV related. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't want to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible. Tim On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote: So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and labors of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent and/or hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percent of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I drive a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with all the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! Chuck RV9A (458 hours) RV10 (sold) 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it's a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4866 (20100214) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ========== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List =================================== tronics.com =================================== www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2242/c?cp=yypBFScgiC_8kuKs3k4vYAAAJ1 HOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=> Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: Mike Divan <n343fd(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Heck I think it is RV related also. The price of operating a RV here in SoC al - well OK California. I can retire in 4 years and thinking Texas (lived there for a while way back) might get me more RV fun for the money :) All t his info relates to the operation of RV's IMHO.=0A=0A Mike Divan=0AN64GH - RV6 (flying) =0Ahttp://n64gh.blogspot.com/=0AN911HS building=0AFREEDOM IS N OT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!=0ARemember it is the Soldie r, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT t he "community organizer"!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASe nt: Mon, February 15, 2010 9:17:03 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara =0A=0A =0APlease,=0Ause your delete key instead of trying to censor the lis t. This subject is very=0Aimportant to some of us, and it is definitely RV related.=0A =0ATerry=0A =0A =0AFrom:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[m ailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles=0ASent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re : RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A =0AAt least I don't mind turning=0Aoff the tv t o avoid the media. I don't want to unsubscribe from this list=0Atoo. With all due respect, can you please take the political rants=0Aoffline? I sub scribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible.=0A=0ATim=0AOn Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote:=0A--> RV-List message posted=0Aby: "Chuck Weyant" =0A=0ASo Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for=0As ales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and labors =0Aof love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent=0A and/or=0Ahanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percent=0Aof the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER )?=0A=0AWe pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I=0Adrive=0Aa ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars thi s year to=0A$108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S=0Acommonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing w ith all=0Athe taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked fr om the=0Ahighway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare=0Asystem is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the l argest=0Awelfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarra ssment=0Awith potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System!=0A=0AIn short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit=0Aexce pt to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing=0Ahas =0Abeen exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal new s=0A(which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my=0ARV9A brother. It's going to get even worse!=0A=0AChuck=0ARV9A (458 h ours)=0ARV10 (sold)=0A1941 Meyers OTW (Project)=0A=0A=0A-----Original Messa ge-----=0AFrom: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv-list- server(at)matronics.com]=0AOn Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch=0ASent: Sunday, Fe bruary 14, 2010 4:43 PM=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: RV-List: =0A=0AIndeed. I live near Sacramento, and it =99s a good life in spite of=0Aall the=0Adoom and gloom news, much of wh ich is exaggerated. If you have the money=0A(Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I=0Acan't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider=0ASB,=0Amaybe you've spent some time there before.=0A=0A=0ARalph Finch=0ADavis, California=0ARV-9A QB-SA =0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv-list-s erver(at)matronics.com]=0AOn Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com=0ASent: Saturday, Fe bruary 13, 2010 6:58 PM=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A=0ACoastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if=0Ait's=0Ato your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of cou rse, but if you can swing=0Ait go for it. This just may be the time to buy? ??=0A Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, g reat=0Aweather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and y our=0Afamily.=0A John D=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ Information from ESET Sm art Security, version of virus signature=0Adatabase 4866 (20100214) _______ ___=0A=0AThe message was checked by ESET Smart Security.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A============0Aget="_blank">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List=0A============0Ahtt p://forums.matronics.com=0A============0Ale, List Adm in.=0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A===== =======0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?RV-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contri -======================== ====================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 16, 2010
OK, for all you guys that can=99t afford California: Delete yourselves from the state, and leave. Quit whining about it here. Pretty simple I think. Me, I can afford it, and my RV build, and my current certificated airplane, thank you very much. So I=99ll stay. RF ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H. Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com>
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 16, 2010
Ok, I'll stir up the pot. I have lived in South Central TX forever and would like to retire soon. Since we listers are scattered all over the place, how about some discussion on a good place to retire with one's RV? I'll start by saying that here in the San Antonio area, the cost of living is moderate, the weather is mostly vfr, there is a moderate amount of flying activity, avgas is lower than most places and the summers are awfully long, hot and humid. Any suggestions on where to retire that include all of the above except the last? Ivan Haecker -4 1602 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Divan To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:31 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Heck I think it is RV related also. The price of operating a RV here in SoCal - well OK California. I can retire in 4 years and thinking Texas (lived there for a while way back) might get me more RV fun for the money :) All this info relates to the operation of RV's IMHO. Mike Divan N64GH - RV6 (flying) http://n64gh.blogspot.com/ N911HS building FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! Remember it is the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 9:17:03 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. This subject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely RV related. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't want to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible. Tim On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote: So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and labors of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent and/or hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percent of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I drive a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with all the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! Chuck RV9A (458 hours) RV10 (sold) 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it=99s a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. 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Date: Feb 16, 2010
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
They're great! Lets me visit California without having to live there :) On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Bob Collins wro te: > How 'bout those RVs, eh? > > Pretty good planes, don't ya think? > > (g) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *n801bh(at)netzero.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:16 AM > > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > > I agree.... Feedback is good... If someone can't handle the truth,, hit t he > delete key please. > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> > To: > Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:17:03 -0800 > > Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. This > subject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely RV related. > > > Terry > > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Randles > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > > At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't wan t > to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please > take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsens e > as much as possible. > > Tim > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant > wrote: > > > So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for > sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and > labors > of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent > and/or > hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percen t > of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? > > We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I dri ve > a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to > $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S > commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with al l > the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the > highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare > system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest > welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment > with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! > > In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit > except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing > has > been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news > (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently m y > RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! > > Chuck > RV9A (458 hours) > RV10 (sold) > 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria > Finch > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > > > Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it=92s a good life in spite of all t he > doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money > (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I > can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider > SB, > maybe you've spent some time there before. > > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > RV-9A QB-SA > > > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Tailgummer(at)aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it 's > to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swi ng > it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? > Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, grea t > weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your > family. > John D > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signatu re > database 4866 (20100214) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > ========== > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listtronics.comwww.matronics.com/cont ribution > * > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!<http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.ne t/TGL2242/c?cp=yypBFScgiC_8kuKs3k4vYAAAJ1HOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAYAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=> > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Santa BarbaraSanta BarbaraSanta Barbara
Date: Feb 16, 2010
I moved to California from Pennsylvania 26.5 years ago. Having been to all 50 states and several times to Canada=2C I can say that SoCAL has the best weather in the North America. Real Estate prices are about 8 to 10 times what they were in Pennsylvania. Taxes are 4 times more. IMHO=2C there are too many people. I can retire in 2.5 years. I am ready to concede to the RATS and say that the RATS won the Rat Race. I plan to move out of the People's Socialists R epublic Of California so some place where the pace of life is MUCH slower a nd my money goes farther. I will be giving up the best weather in the Country=2C good flying=2C some of the best friends one can have=2C and the convenience of anything one cou ld want within a two hour drive. (IF you are willing to wait in line and p ay the price.) The cost of living is too high for me for what I am getting. I will need to give up a LOT but I believe that the extra money I have to spend will more than pay for it. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C341+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: Mike Nellis <mike(at)bmnellis.com>
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Just about anywhere in New Mexico, Arizona or Nevada. I don't know about New Mexico and AZ but at least Nevada has $0 state income tax like we have here in TX.. Mike > Ok, I'll stir up the pot. I have lived in South Central TX forever and > would like to retire soon. Since we listers are scattered all over the > place, how about some discussion on a good place to retire with one's > RV? I'll start by saying that here in the San Antonio area, the cost > of living is moderate, the weather is mostly vfr, there is a moderate > amount of flying activity, avgas is lower than most places and the > summers are awfully long, hot and humid. Any suggestions on where to > retire that include all of the above except the last? > > Ivan Haecker -4 1602 hrs. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mike Divan > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > Heck I think it is RV related also. The price of operating a RV > here in SoCal - well OK California. I can retire in 4 years and > thinking Texas (lived there for a while way back) might get me > more RV fun for the money :) All this info relates to the > operation of RV's IMHO. > > Mike Divan > N64GH - RV6 (flying) > http://n64gh.blogspot.com/ > N911HS building > FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! > Remember it is the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard > that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Terry Watson > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Mon, February 15, 2010 9:17:03 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. > This subject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely > RV related. > > > > Terry > > > > > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Randles > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > > > At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I > don't want to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due > respect, can you please take the political rants offline? I > subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible. > > Tim > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant > > wrote: > > > > > So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you > pay for > sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears > (and labors > of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger > rent and/or > hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One > percent > of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? > > We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: > I drive > a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this > year to > $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S > commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing > with all > the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked > from the > highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California > welfare > system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the > largest > welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an > embarrassment > with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! > > In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no > benefit > except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? > Nothing has > been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much > liberal news > (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it > apparently my > RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! > > Chuck > RV9A (458 hours) > RV10 (sold) > 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Ralph & > Maria Finch > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > > > > Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and its a good life in spite of > all the > doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have > the money > (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, > though I > can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to > consider SB, > maybe you've spent some time there before. > > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > RV-9A QB-SA > > > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of > Tailgummer(at)aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and > see if it's > to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you > can swing > it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? > Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces > available, great > weather, lots to see and do. 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Date: Feb 16, 2010
From: Mike Divan <n343fd(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
That was a good one :)=0A=0A Mike Divan=0AN64GH - RV6 (flying) =0Ahttp://n6 4gh.blogspot.com/=0AFREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YO URS!=0ARemember it is the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard t hat guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>=0A ct: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A=0AThey're great! Lets me visit Californi a without having to live there :)=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Bob Collins wrote:=0A=0AHow 'bout those RVs, eh ?=0A> =0A>Pretty good planes, don't ya think?=0A> =0A>(g)=0A>=0A>=0A_______ _________________________=0A From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mail to:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh(at)netzero.com=0A>S ent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:16 AM =0A>=0A>=0A>To: rv-list(at)matronics.c om=0A>Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>I agree.... Feedba ck is good... If someone can't handle the truth,, hit the delete key please .=0A>=0A>Ben Haas=0A>N801BH=0A>www.haaspowerair.com=0A>=0A>---------- Origi nal Message ----------=0A>From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>=0A>To: =0A>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A>Date: Mo d of trying to censor the list. This subject is very important to some of u s, and it is definitely RV related.=0A> =0A>Terry=0A> =0A> =0A>From:owner-r v-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles=0A>Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM=0A>To: rv- list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A> =0A>At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't want to unsubs cribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please take the po litical rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible.=0A>=0A>Tim=0A>On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant =0A>=0A>So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for=0A>>sales taxes on the RV9A after you put you r blood sweat and tears (and labors=0A>of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent and/or=0A>hanger taxes? What's your annu al home property taxes (Prop13: One percent=0A>>of the sales price or Count y assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)?=0A>=0A>We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I drive=0A>a ten year old Ford Taur us and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to=0A>>$108. Not down as it sh ould have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S=0A>commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with all=0A>the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the=0A>>highway fund and redir ected into the general fund. The California welfare=0A>system is now five t imes larger than New York's, we are now the largest=0A>welfare system in th e nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment=0A>>with potholes galo re, even on the Federal Freeway System!=0A>=0A>In short, how do you feel ab out all the taxes with little or no benefit=0A>except to the California wel fare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has=0A>been exaggerated. You' ve been reading/listening to too much liberal news=0A>>(which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my=0A>RV9A brother. It 's going to get even worse!=0A>=0A>Chuck=0A>RV9A (458 hours)=0A>RV10 (sold) =0A>1941 Meyers OTW (Project)=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>>Fro m: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch=0A>>Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2 010 4:43 PM=0A>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Bar mariafinch(at)gmail.com>=0A>=0A>Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and it =99s a good life in spite of all the=0A>doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money=0A>>(Santa Barbara IS expensive to l ive) it's a great place to live, though I=0A>can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB,=0A>maybe you've spent some t ime there before.=0A>=0A>=0A>>Ralph Finch=0A>Davis, California=0A>RV-9A QB- SA=0A>=0A>=0A>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A>[mailto:owner-rv- list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com=0A>>Sent: Saturd ay, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM=0A>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara=0A>=0A>Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's=0A>>to your liking. Cost of living is a fact or, of course, but if you can swing=0A>it go for it. This just may be the t ime to buy???=0A> Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great=0A>weather, lots to see and do. 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Date: Feb 17, 2010
From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Santa Barbara
Love my RV... Now if I can just make it fly!!!! ...oh boy! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins Sent: Feb 16, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara How 'bout those RVs, eh? Pretty good planes, don't ya think? (g) From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh(at)netzero.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:16 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara I agree.... Feedback is good... If someone can't handle the truth,, hit the delete key please. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:17:03 -0800 Please, use your delete key instead of trying to censor the list. This subject is very important to some of us, and it is definitely RV related. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Randles Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara At least I don't mind turning off the tv to avoid the media. I don't want to unsubscribe from this list too. With all due respect, can you please take the political rants offline? I subscribe to escape all that nonsense as much as possible. Tim On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote: So Ralph, how you doing with all those state taxes? What did you pay for sales taxes on the RV9A after you put your blood sweat and tears (and labors of love)into your very own creation? What do you pay for hanger rent and/or hanger taxes? What's your annual home property taxes (Prop13: One percent of the sales price or County assessed value, whichever is HIGHER)? We pay exorbitant annual DMV fees here in California. An example: I drive a ten year old Ford Taurus and my fees went up $18 dollars this year to $108. Not down as it should have; and for a ten year old car! SUV'S commonly see $300 to $500 annual DMV fees! And what are we doing with all the taxes (and more to come)? The DMV funds have been hijacked from the highway fund and redirected into the general fund. The California welfare system is now five times larger than New York's, we are now the largest welfare system in the nation by far! And our roads are an embarrassment with potholes galore, even on the Federal Freeway System! In short, how do you feel about all the taxes with little or no benefit except to the California welfare programs (including illegals)? Nothing has been exaggerated. You've been reading/listening to too much liberal news (which is about all we've got here in CA)...and believing it apparently my RV9A brother. It's going to get even worse! Chuck RV9A (458 hours) RV10 (sold) 1941 Meyers OTW (Project) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph & Maria Finch Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara Indeed. I live near Sacramento, and its a good life in spite of all the doom and gloom news, much of which is exaggerated. If you have the money (Santa Barbara IS expensive to live) it's a great place to live, though I can't give you specific info. Sounds like you have a reason to consider SB, maybe you've spent some time there before. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Coastal Southern CA is really nice. Suggest you try it out and see if it's to your liking. Cost of living is a factor, of course, but if you can swing it go for it. This just may be the time to buy??? Many airports, friendly pilots, a multitude of servfces available, great weather, lots to see and do. Life is short, do what suits you and your family. John D __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4866 (20100214) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ========== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ="=================http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 17, 2010
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
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From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 17, 2010
Bob Collins wrote: Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia? Wherever one retires to, I assume one would want to have (a) a good airport and (b) good airport friends around. Lot's of RV's here in Florida, too. I exchanged Minnesota for Florida and lucked into a nice little airport (KEVB) and lots of good airport friends. There are four RV's being built on the airport right now. David Maib 40559 flying "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Bob Collins wrote: Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: Feb 17, 2010
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
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From: "Alan McKeen" <amckeen(at)twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Greetings, I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. Alan McKeen EAA Flight Advisor EAA Technical Counselor 315-451-9207 Home 315-391-2460 Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Santa Barbara
At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote: > >Thinking of retiring? > >Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to >the Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The >weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The >worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the >political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned! > >(g) > >...chris from Oregon Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the Dems. But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago. Isn't that when all these problems started? Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-) Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me confirm my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are several other lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might be equal or better. I've looked ay nearly every place that has been mentioned on this list. I ended up west of the Continental Divide. Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes, inflation, and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are the same. I have been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to retire with my RV-4. I've met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of the US of A that I might never have seen. Almost every place I've been has some merits, all have some downside - just like everything else in life. Please don't blame one administration or the other on our problems. We're all in this together, and we should all thank our lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids and our RV's. Most of us are going to take some licks from the current world economy, but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before. So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley ( Oh, I forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks, everybody. You too, Matt. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Alan - I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily penetrate the ADIZ again. Neal From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations Greetings, I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. Alan McKeen EAA Flight Advisor EAA Technical Counselor 315-451-9207 Home 315-391-2460 Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
From: John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com>
i fly out of KJYO and it is a nice airport out past dulles, they have a nice terminal and rental cars on site. KJYO is in the ADIZ, but is very easy to get in and out of. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Neal George wrote: > Alan > > Ive had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but Ill never voluntarily > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > Neal > > > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and > Recommendations > > > Greetings, > > I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during > spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then > commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and > some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what > airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get > into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight > rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. > > Alan McKeen > > EAA Flight Advisor > > EAA Technical Counselor > > 315-451-9207 Home > > 315-391-2460 Cell > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... On 2/18/10, Neal George wrote: > Alan - > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > Neal > > > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and > Recommendations > > > Greetings, > > I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during > spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then > commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and > some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what > airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get > into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight > rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. > > Alan McKeen > > EAA Flight Advisor > > EAA Technical Counselor > > 315-451-9207 Home > > 315-391-2460 Cell > > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Richard McBride <rick.mcbride(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Alan, Shoot me an e-mail or give me a call. I can get you set up. Rick McBride rick.mcbride(at)me.com 703-322-1868 On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Alan McKeen wrote: > Greetings, > I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. > Alan McKeen > EAA Flight Advisor > EAA Technical Counselor > 315-451-9207 Home > 315-391-2460 Cell > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for all three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour was painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors. Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place and wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in. After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... neal Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... On 2/18/10, Neal George wrote: > Alan - > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > Neal ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just as I thought. -Stormy On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George wrote: > > Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for > all > three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it > matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan > was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast > of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour > was > painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to > College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the > east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors. > Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College > Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file > the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no > clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place > and > wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in. > After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave > the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. > > I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... > > neal > > > Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... > > On 2/18/10, Neal George wrote: > > Alan - > > > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never > voluntarily > > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > > > > > > Neal > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Richard McBride <rick.mcbride(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
Date: Feb 18, 2010
But keep in mind what Neal is describing is the inner ring of the SFRA which has significantly different rules and procedures. Manassas and a number of airports are still inside the SFRA but much easier to negotiate since they're in the outer ring. Rick McBride On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Bill Boyd wrote: > Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just as I thought. > > -Stormy > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George wrote: > > Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for all > three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it > matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan > was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast > of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour was > painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to > College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the > east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors. > Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College > Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file > the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no > clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place and > wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in. > After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave > the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. > > I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... > > neal > > > > Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... > > On 2/18/10, Neal George wrote: > > Alan - > > > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily > > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > > > > > > Neal > > > > ================== > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H. Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com>
Subject: Inspection Panels
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Does anyone know of a source that gives the screw spacing for a generic inspection hole cover on aluminum skin? I am curious if such a specification exists and whether it takes panel thickness and fastener diameter into account. I couldn't find what I'm looking for in any of my reference books. Thanks in advance. Ivan Haecker -4 1602 hrs. So.Cen. TX ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2010
From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Inspection Panels
Ivan There is no generic rule. A basic rule of thumb is 43-13. without knowing the stresses on the skin cutting holes equates to installing a circular damage repair. and replacing the filler patch hardware with screws. rick --- On Thu, 2/18/10, H. Ivan Haecker wrote: > From: H. Ivan Haecker <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> > Subject: RV-List: Inspection Panels > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:28 PM > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a > source that gives > thescrew spacing for a generic inspection hole cover > on aluminum skin? I > am curious if such a specification exists and whether it > takes panel thickness > and fastener diameter into account. I couldn't find > what I'm looking for in any > of my reference books. > > Thanks in > advance. > > Ivan Haecker > -4 1602 > hrs. So.Cen. TX > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Utsey" <randy(at)djdist.com>
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
Date: Feb 19, 2010
I have flown into Manassas several times on an IFR basis (from the south and no problem). Flew into Fredericksburg once with a two ship VFR, and no problem, but you do have to have the SFRA "Certificate of Achievement" with you! Randy Utsey D.J. Distributing Co. 1429 Bryant St. Charlotte, NC 28208 800-585-4126 Please note new e-mail address! randy(at)djdist.com www.djdist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan McKeen To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations Greetings, I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. Alan McKeen EAA Flight Advisor EAA Technical Counselor 315-451-9207 Home 315-391-2460 Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2010
From: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
We flew into Gaithersburg, MD a couple years back and it was no hassle. We had arranged a rental car and it was there. The FBO had the keys and the paperwork. It really was a piece of cake. Pax, Ed Holyoke Richard McBride wrote: > But keep in mind what Neal is describing is the inner ring of the SFRA > which has significantly different rules and procedures. Manassas and > a number of airports are still inside the SFRA but much easier to > negotiate since they're in the outer ring. > > Rick McBride > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Bill Boyd wrote: > >> Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just >> as I thought. >> >> -Stormy >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with >> credentials for all >> three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not >> that it >> matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR >> flight plan >> was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour >> southeast >> of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the >> extra hour was >> painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to >> College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly >> around the >> east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all >> vectors. >> Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. >> College >> Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried >> to file >> the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that >> we had no >> clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the >> first place and >> wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm >> rolling in. >> After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance >> to leave >> the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. >> >> I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... >> >> neal >> >> >> > >> >> Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... >> >> On 2/18/10, Neal George > >> wrote: >> > Alan - >> > >> > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. >> > >> > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never >> voluntarily >> > penetrate the ADIZ again. >> > >> > >> > >> > Neal >> >> >> >> ================== >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Inspection Panels
Date: Feb 19, 2010
Check out Advisory Circular 43.13-1B. Its available on-line but is quite b ig so the best bet is to find what you are looking for and only print that part you need. Mike Robertson Das Fed From: baremetl(at)gvtc.com Subject: RV-List: Inspection Panels Date: Fri=2C 19 Feb 2010 00:28:17 -0600 Does anyone know of a source that gives the screw spacing for a generic ins pection hole cover on aluminum skin? I am curious if such a specification e xists and whether it takes panel thickness and fastener diameter into accou nt. I couldn't find what I'm looking for in any of my reference books. Thanks in advance. Ivan Haecker -4 1602 hrs. So.Cen. TX _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Marty Helller <marty_away(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: ravel to Washington DC, if using Manassas...
Date: Feb 20, 2010
There was a little mis-leading info in a previous email about using Manassa s (KHEF) airport and jumping on Metro. The train service from the airport is Virginia Rail Express (VRE)=3B not Me tro... VRE has limited service (since it's a ~40 mile trip to DC)=3B So ch eck the hours and days of availability (Mon-Fri) before assuming a train is going to be waiting for you. College Park does have the METRO stop within walking distance..... And of course=2C get smart (e.g.=2C FAASafety.gov=2C or AOPA.org) on the 'S urFRA" rules and the speciliaty requirements for the DC3. Marty Heller (RV-7.....Baffling is done...almost....) > From: n8zg(at)mchsi.com > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC=2C Request for Experience a nd Recommendations > Date: Thu=2C 18 Feb 2010 19:18:59 -0600 > > > Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots=2C both with credentials for all > three restricted airports in-hand=2C both active duty military (not that it > matters=2C but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight pl an > was simple enough=2C if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southe ast > of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental=2C the extra hour was > painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks=2C filed IFR direct to > College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south=2C fly around the > east end=2C and back in from the north to land at College Park=2C all vec tors. > Another unnecessary 100 miles=2C another hour on the rental Hobbs. Colleg e > Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file > the next day to get out and go home=2C DHS swore up and down that we had no > clearance be there=2C demanded to know how we got there in the first plac e and > wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in . > After nearly two hours of discussions=2C we finally got a clearance to le ave > the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. > > I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... > > neal > > > > Why not? Sounds like you are prepared=2C so ... > > On 2/18/10=2C Neal George wrote: > > Alan - > > > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals=2C but I'll never volunt arily > > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > > > > > > Neal > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cheathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net>
Subject: Travling to DC
Date: Feb 21, 2010
You might want to check out Suburban, W18. It is morth side, just outside the zone, and close to beltway. I got my coml and multi ther in 68. Short narow runway, but I got an old underppwered apache in and out and trees were much taller then .I watched in amazment on hot muggy aug afternoon as a guy got a 4 memb band and equipment out(baerly) in a cherokee six. Check it out. Charlie H ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Sensenich Prop
Date: Feb 21, 2010
Sensenich Metal Prop users: I have a 72FM85 (72 length x 85 pitch) metal prop for parallel valve 0-360. I installed the prop a while back to solve what turned out to be a problem with the FI system. When the prop didn't fix the problem I did more testing and static running with it to finally figure it out. I discovered that at full throttle (ground run) the tach showed only 2100 RPM. I didn't get a chance to fly with that prop because it was recalled before the FI system was fixed and I had to take it off the airplane. I've been flying with my Sterba wood prop which gives 2300 RPM static and 2550 RPM full power at 1000 MSL (level flight). I want to reinstall the Sensenich prop but am thinking that 2100 max RPM at takeoff is a little low. Van's catalog listed this prop as the ONLY one they recommended for the 0-360 engine. The Sensenich website lists two other (0-360) props (83 and 81 pitch) and if my Sterba is any indication, I probably should have at least went with the 83 pitch instead of the 85. I know there are a lot of these props out in the RV community...those of you that have them on 180HP O-360s: Are you getting this low of RPM on takeoff (2100 static)? What kind of takeoff distances are you seeing (light and fully loaded)? Does the RPM pick up quickly as the plane starts moving on the runway? By the time your at the end of the takeoff roll does the RPM exceed 2100? Will there be any harm done to the engine running full throttle at 600RPM below rated power RPM (detonation, overheating, etc, low power is a given)? How many of you with the 85 inch pitch props have gotten them re-pitched? Would you have gone with 83 or 81 inch pitch if you'd known ahead of time? Is anyone using the 83 or 81 pitch version and what is your experience with those? Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Finally warming...S. Florida ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Sensenich Prop
Date: Feb 22, 2010
I had same prop at 83" pitch. Static rpm 2200. Got about 2350 rpm at rotation. Climb at least 1200 fpm warm day South Florida. Max level flight rpm was 2950. Repitched to 86". Static rpm was 2100. 2250 at rotation. Climb was only slightly reduced. Full power level rpm was 2750 up to 8000ft. My cruise climb was 2500 rpm, 500 fpm at 140 knots indicated up to about 4000 feet in standard to 20 degrees warmer than standard. Take offs from Sedona AZ in August heat were strong, elev 4800. If I had an 85" personally I would not change it, unless you will be using gross weights above normal 1650 lbs. Was a great prop, quieter than my new Hartzell, which I like even better. Dale RV6A, O-360 A1A, 1280 TT Sensenich Metal Prop users: How many of you with the 85 inch pitch props have gotten them re-pitched? Would you have gone with 83 or 81 inch pitch if you'd known ahead of time? Is anyone using the 83 or 81 pitch version and what is your experience with those? Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Finally warming...S. Florida ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sensenich Prop
Date: Feb 22, 2010
From: "Reak, Brad" <brad.reak(at)verigy.com>
I have an RV7 with a Superior O360,180hp with the same Sensenich prop. My static RPM reads 2150 at my field elevation of 5000ft. During takeoff, the RPM quickly comes up to about 2400 RPM and in climbout, I see about 2450-2500 RPM. At level flight from 6000ft to the high teens the engine easily exceed 2700 RPM. If I were to repitch the prop, it would be to a greater pitch, not less and would never go the 83 or 81. Sorry but I don't have much operational experience at sea level, however I would expect better performance than what I see here in Colorado and I am quite pleased with my performance. During testing, I concluded Vy = 90 knots and that I expect about 1500 fpm at 1600 pounds. --Brad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Steube" <at6c(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sensenich Prop
Date: Feb 22, 2010
Hi Dean, I have this prop on an RV-8 with a Mattituck O-360, and my experience is that I need more pitch. I can easily get to red line in level flight, say 8000 ft. Our grass field has been under water since before Christmas so I can't really say what static take off rpm is but as a guess I would guess around 2200. I would have it re-pitched but I am too lazy. I looked on the Sensenich web site and didn't see anything about a recall, what was that about? Regards, George -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: RV-List: Sensenich Prop Sensenich Metal Prop users: I have a 72FM85 (72 length x 85 pitch) metal prop for parallel valve 0-360. I installed the prop a while back to solve what turned out to be a problem with the FI system. When the prop didn't fix the problem I did more testing and static running with it to finally figure it out. I discovered that at full throttle (ground run) the tach showed only 2100 RPM. I didn't get a chance to fly with that prop because it was recalled before the FI system was fixed and I had to take it off the airplane. I've been flying with my Sterba wood prop which gives 2300 RPM static and 2550 RPM full power at 1000 MSL (level flight). I want to reinstall the Sensenich prop but am thinking that 2100 max RPM at takeoff is a little low. Van's catalog listed this prop as the ONLY one they recommended for the 0-360 engine. The Sensenich website lists two other (0-360) props (83 and 81 pitch) and if my Sterba is any indication, I probably should have at least went with the 83 pitch instead of the 85. I know there are a lot of these props out in the RV community...those of you that have them on 180HP O-360s: Are you getting this low of RPM on takeoff (2100 static)? What kind of takeoff distances are you seeing (light and fully loaded)? Does the RPM pick up quickly as the plane starts moving on the runway? By the time your at the end of the takeoff roll does the RPM exceed 2100? Will there be any harm done to the engine running full throttle at 600RPM below rated power RPM (detonation, overheating, etc, low power is a given)? How many of you with the 85 inch pitch props have gotten them re-pitched? Would you have gone with 83 or 81 inch pitch if you'd known ahead of time? Is anyone using the 83 or 81 pitch version and what is your experience with those? Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Finally warming...S. Florida ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog Finishing up... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <John.Morrissey(at)csiro.au>
Date: Feb 23, 2010
Subject: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Hi Matt, In practical terms the fibreglass is pretty impervious to oil leaks. I just use a bit of degreaser to wash the inside of the cowls at 100hr inspection times and everything stays pretty clean. The extra weight of all that additional fibreglass just isn't worth it in the long run. If it really worries you buy an English Wheel and a TIG welder and make a set of new cowls out of aluminium. :-) Good luck John Morrissey -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 9:58 AM Subject: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog Finishing up... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Date: Feb 22, 2010
Just a coincidence, but I was reading an article from "27 Years of RVator" this morning that described just that. It talked about when they transition to the current honeycomb cowls in which the top skins were thinner than the original cowls. The article recommended thinning the epoxy for fuel/oil and adding a thin piece of insulation material for heat. bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog Finishing up... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Date: Feb 22, 2010
Recommend just priming with white epoxy primer (e.g.PPG). The primer will seal the fiberglass and will reflect some heat. This is what I did on my 8A and it is holding up well. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (525 hrs) RV-10 (fuselage) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: RV8-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... --> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog Finishing up... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-6 Kit
Date: Feb 22, 2010
I have two Projects in flow and have decided to release one to complete the other. If anyone is interested=2C I have a pair of wings assembled with Ph logisten built spars=2C Assembled Tail Section w/electric trim=2C Fuselage kit with the firewall assembled. $15K invested. Reasonable offers will be c onsidered. R.C. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
- Many builders including me,-coat the inside of the cowls over a period of time-using epoxy-left over from other jobs.--By using epoxy-that -might otherwise-be wasted, the inside cowl surfaces can be sealed in p hases over a period of time. Some guys thin the epoxy, others don't.-Occa sionally I did thin it, most times I did not.--The result is a smooth s ealed surface that is easily wiped clean of-inevitable dirt and oils that are certain to-accumulate while at the same time-providing an excellen t-bonding surface for the sticky adhesive-found on-heat resistant foi l that you-probably will have to install anyway.- - [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/6p5n9x.jpg[/IMG] - Rick Galati RV-6A- N307R RV-8--- N308R ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: rv6n(at)optonline.net
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
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Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com>
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Is the self adhesive foil insulated or just reflective? John Morgensen RV4 - Purchased flying RV9A - wiring rv6n(at)optonline.net wrote: > Matt, > > I did the thinned epoxy smear and also made an aluminum heat shield > with and air pocket under it for where I felt the exhaust was a bit > too close for comfort. I also painted the inside and applied the self > adhesive foil for added protection. I have attached a photo. > > Bob Bales > RV6 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
Date: Feb 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
I am just finishing-finishing my -8A cowl and have assembled a list of some what obvious and some "life is harder when you're stupid" lessons learned. 1. Fitting - pretty straight forward - but remember the firewall is n ot straight, it has a horizontal bend in it - a bend that is hidden when th e cowl is first taped in place to mark for cutting. One might forget that b end and mark and cut with a straight line. Ask me how I know! Ended up with a gap, but used epoxy/micro on the fus to fill in. 2. Gear leg attach - mine didn't fit. Had to bend and cut the bracket to get it to work. 3. I hate piano hinges not so much hate, but really have difficulty getting the pins to slide in and out - so I went came up with the $$ and we nt with Skybolt fasteners. No regrets. 4. If using Skybolts, pay attention and understand the fitting of the attachment strips to avoid visible gaps. 5. Skyboltss - really understand how to adjust the receptacle depth. Another one of those things where the RV gremlins seem to appear overnight to change what you thought was a perfect adjustment. 6. I installed the Skybolts, hung the cowl(s) then had to depart for couple months on business travel. During that time some preservative oil f rom the engine leaked and was absorbed by the lower cowl. Painting with epo xy/acetone is a good idea. 7. Pinholes - friggin' randomly appearing pinholes. Tried Vans recomm ended 50/50 acetone/epoxy on the outside. Looked ok with some pinholes - bu t when I covered with primer, it was obvious that many pinholes were still here. Ended up with multi-coats of smoothprime, second coat of epoxy, more smoothprime, hours of sanding and finally a couple coats of dark grey prime r. No pinholes - but a high minutes/pinhole ratio. 8. Now on to the oil door - anyone know why Wicks charges around $11 for a Hartwell hinge, but ACS charges $80+? Obviously a difference in quali ty / durability - but does it matter? Anyone know of other good sources? Paul Valovich N192NM Reserved ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Oil door hinges
Date: Feb 23, 2010
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Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: IO-320 Power Chart
Does anyone have any performance numbers for an IO-320 and a Constant Speed prop?- Power settings, fuel burn, etc?=0A=0AThanks!=0APaul Besing=0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2010
Subject: calibrating capacitive sensors
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first flight of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate these things before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill the tank completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full tanks, so I have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. The only thing I can think of is to install a petcock kind of valve in place of the normal tank fuel drain valve and get four 5gal. gas cans to drain the fuel into. Fill the left tank and calibrate it, then drain the fuel out, re-install the normal drain valve and pour it into the right tank and calibrate that and then drain the fuel out of it and re-install the drain valve. Is there any better way? I assume I have to have calibrated (i.e. functioning) fuel gauges in order to make the first flight, yes? -- Tom Sargent ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Mat, Do not thin West Systems Epoxy with acetone! I found it turns the epoxy into a chewing gum like mass that never sets up. Use it as mixed with slow hardener and brush it on thin. Thinning was unnecessary but it can be warmed slightly to help it to flow. It is more akin to squeegee-ing with the side of the brush. This works very well in my opinion. I'm sure I added less than 1:1 in acetone - or perhaps the West systems product is different in this country, I don't understand why this happened with mine. Fortunately I experimented before using it on the cowling. Doug > > > Greetings fellow builders, > > In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 > with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to > make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. > Seems straightforward enough. > > But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like > its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky > 'ol Lycomings. > > Thoughts? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: IO-320 Power Chart
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Paul, The attached table was derived using Kevin Horten's python code (thanks Kevin) but with the parameters taken from the IO320D&E chart in the OM. The figures marry up to the charts within the accuracy of my eyesight. Is this what you were after? Doug Gray > Does anyone have any performance numbers for an IO-320 and a Constant > Speed prop? Power settings, fuel burn, etc? > > Thanks! > Paul Besing > > > > > Lycoming IO-320-B and D Series (derived from Lycoming Curve No. 12884-A Jan1977) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Press. | Std. | 88 HP -- 55% Rated | 104 HP -- 65% Rated | 120 HP -- 75% Rated | | Alt. | Alt. | Approx. Fuel 7.5 Gal/Hr | Approx. Fuel 8.5 Gal/Hr. | Approx. Fuel 10 Gal/Hr | | |Temp. | | | | | Feet |deg F | RPM & Man. Press. | RPM & Man. Press. | RPM & Man. Press. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | 2100 | 2200 | 2300 | 2400 | 2100 | 2200 | 2300 | 2400 | 2300 | 2400 | 2500 | 2600 | | 0| 59| 22.5 | 21.8 | 21.1 | 20.4 | 25.1 | 24.2 | 23.4 | 22.7 | 25.7 | 24.9 | 24.3 | 23.7 | | 1000| 55| 22.2 | 21.4 | 20.8 | 20.1 | 24.7 | 23.9 | 23.1 | 22.4 | 25.4 | 24.6 | 24.0 | 23.4 | | 2000| 51| 21.8 | 21.1 | 20.5 | 19.8 | 24.4 | 23.6 | 22.8 | 22.1 | 25.1 | 24.3 | 23.7 | 23.1 | | 3000| 48| 21.5 | 20.8 | 20.2 | 19.5 | 24.0 | 23.2 | 22.5 | 21.8 | 24.8 | 24.0 | 23.4 | 22.9 | | 4000| 44| 21.2 | 20.5 | 19.9 | 19.3 | 23.7 | 22.9 | 22.2 | 21.5 | 24.4 | 23.7 | 23.1 | 22.6 | | 5000| 41| 20.9 | 20.2 | 19.6 | 19.0 | 23.4 | 22.6 | 21.9 | 21.2 | 24.1 | 23.4 | 22.8 | 22.4 | | 6000| 37| 20.5 | 19.9 | 19.3 | 18.7 | 23.1 | 22.4 | 21.6 | 20.9 | FT | 23.1 | 22.6 | 22.1 | | 7000| 34| 20.2 | 19.7 | 19.0 | 18.5 | FT | 22.1 | 21.3 | 20.7 | FT | FT | 22.3 | 21.9 | | 8000| 30| 20.0 | 19.4 | 18.8 | 18.2 | FT | FT | 21.1 | 20.4 | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 9000| 26| 19.7 | 19.1 | 18.5 | 18.0 | FT | FT | FT | 20.2 | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 10000| 23| 19.4 | 18.9 | 18.3 | 17.8 | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 11000| 19| FT | 18.6 | 18.1 | 17.5 | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 12000| 16| FT | FT | 17.8 | 17.3 | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 13000| 12| FT | FT | FT | 17.1 | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 14000| 9| FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | | 15000| 5| FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | FT | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: HCRV6(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Same thing happened for me when I tried to thin Tap brand epoxy with acetone. Took me days to scrape the mess out. I wound up doing it the same way Doug describes below. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 662 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Gray" <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:45:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... Mat, Do not thin West Systems Epoxy with acetone! I found it turns the epoxy into a chewing gum like mass that never sets up. Use it as mixed with slow hardener and brush it on thin. Thinning was unnecessary but it can be warmed slightly to help it to flow. It is more akin to squeegee-ing with the side of the brush. This works very well in my opinion. I'm sure I added less than 1:1 in acetone - or perhaps the West systems product is different in this country, I don't understand why this happened with mine. Fortunately I experimented before using it on the cowling. Doug Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: IO-320 Power Chart
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Correction IO-320-B , -D , AIO-320 and LIO-320-B > Paul, > > The attached table was derived using Kevin Horten's python code (thanks > Kevin) but with the parameters taken from the IO320D&E chart in the OM. > The figures marry up to the charts within the accuracy of my eyesight. > > Is this what you were after? > > Doug Gray > > > > > Does anyone have any performance numbers for an IO-320 and a Constant > > Speed prop? Power settings, fuel burn, etc? > > > > Thanks! > > Paul Besing > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Oil door hinges
Date: Feb 23, 2010
I tried pre-made hinges-- but had better luck making my own. dave RV7A 144 hours On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Mauri Morin wrote: > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: calibrating capacitive sensors
Date: Feb 23, 2010
That's how I did mine. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: RV-List: calibrating capacitive sensors I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first flight of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate these things before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill the tank completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full tanks, so I have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. The only thing I can think of is to install a petcock kind of valve in place of the normal tank fuel drain valve and get four 5gal. gas cans to drain the fuel into. Fill the left tank and calibrate it, then drain the fuel out, re-install the normal drain valve and pour it into the right tank and calibrate that and then drain the fuel out of it and re-install the drain valve. Is there any better way? I assume I have to have calibrated (i.e. functioning) fuel gauges in order to make the first flight, yes? -- Tom Sargent ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Date: Feb 23, 2010
Mix plain epoxy resin/hardner. Lightly sand inside of cowling. Wipe with clean cloth soaked in alcohol. Paint on epoxy resin mix. Worked beautifully on both my Ten and Nine. Move on to next step in the building process. Chuck Hi Matt, In practical terms the fibreglass is pretty impervious to oil leaks. I just use a bit of degreaser to wash the inside of the cowls at 100hr inspection times and everything stays pretty clean. The extra weight of all that additional fibreglass just isn't worth it in the long run. If it really worries you buy an English Wheel and a TIG welder and make a set of new cowls out of aluminium. :-) Good luck John Morrissey Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog Finishing up... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: rv6n(at)optonline.net
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
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Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: calibrating capacitive sensors
IMHO, you should calibrate the zero (empty) point, put the amount of fuel you're comfortable with and do your first flight. When you're comfortable with putting full fuel in it, do so and calibrate the full tank. My first flight in my Pitts was an hour. I guess I was too afraid of the landing and had plenty of fuel. Estimate your first flight time, and double the fuel needed for that time .... and when your time is up .... be on the ground. Linn thomas sargent wrote: > I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first flight > of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate these things > before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill the tank > completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full tanks, so I > have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. > > The only thing I can think of is to install a petcock kind of valve in > place of the normal tank fuel drain valve and get four 5gal. gas cans > to drain the fuel into. Fill the left tank and calibrate it, then drain > the fuel out, re-install the normal drain valve and pour it into the > right tank and calibrate that and then drain the fuel out of it and > re-install the drain valve. > > Is there any better way? I assume I have to have calibrated (i.e. > functioning) fuel gauges in order to make the first flight, yes? > > -- > Tom Sargent > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: IO-320 Power Chart
That is a sweet chart. I assume this is the information you can put into EFIS's like the GRT HX to readout real time power? I haven't actually looked at this configuration yet on the HX. Has anyone run a chart for an IO-390? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's Building Blog Finishing Up... ?At 11:02 AM 2/23/2010 Tuesday, you wrote: >Paul, > >The attached table was derived using Kevin Horten's python code (thanks >Kevin) but with the parameters taken from the IO320D&E chart in the OM. >The figures marry up to the charts within the accuracy of my eyesight. > >Is this what you were after? > >Doug Gray > > >> Does anyone have any performance numbers for an IO-320 and a Constant >> Speed prop? Power settings, fuel burn, etc? >> >> Thanks! >> Paul Besing ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: IO-320 Power Chart
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Feb 24, 2010
I believe the GRT units take the data in a different form - see the GRT_EFIS Yahoo group has a number of such tables. I don't have a GRT EFIS so I cannot give a more detailed response. Kevin Horton's algorithm computes the power by interpolating the Lycoming plots and doing some pressure altitude corrections arithmetically. The Lycoming plots are believed to be the product of extensive engine tests and I assume are accurate BUT only for the respective engines. I doubt such plots will ever be available for the 390 or any other modified or experimental engine. BPE is one company that does test engine modifications and may have done some tests. Even if they have I doubt these would be anywhere near the extent necessary to generate the Lycoming style plots. Further ... the chances that your 390 would be the same as any test article is extremely small. Doug > > That is a sweet chart. I assume this is the information you can put into EFIS's like the GRT HX to readout real time power? I haven't actually looked at this configuration yet on the HX. > > Has anyone run a chart for an IO-390? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's Building Blog > Finishing Up... > > > ?At 11:02 AM 2/23/2010 Tuesday, you wrote: > >Paul, > > > >The attached table was derived using Kevin Horten's python code (thanks > >Kevin) but with the parameters taken from the IO320D&E chart in the OM. > >The figures marry up to the charts within the accuracy of my eyesight. > > > >Is this what you were after? > > > >Doug Gray > > > > > > > >> Does anyone have any performance numbers for an IO-320 and a Constant > >> Speed prop? Power settings, fuel burn, etc? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Paul Besing > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2010
From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Thinning epoxy was Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
Most epoxies can be thinned with isoproponol, denatured alcohol or isopropol alcohol without significantly changing their mechanical properties. Chris Stone RV-8 Newberg, OR -----Original Message----- From: HCRV6(at)comcast.net Sent: Feb 23, 2010 2:05 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... Same thing happened for me when I tried to thin Tap brand epoxy with acetone. Took me days to scrape the mess out. I wound up doing it the same way Doug describes below. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 662 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Gray" <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:45:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... Mat, Do not thin West Systems Epoxy with acetone! I found it turns the epoxy into a chewing gum like mass that never sets up. Use it as mixed with slow hardener and brush it on thin. Thinning was unnecessary but it can be warmed slightly to help it to flow. It is more akin to squeegee-ing with the side of the brush. This works very well in my opinion. I'm sure I added less than 1:1 in acetone - or perhaps the West systems product is different in this country, I don't understand why this happened with mine. Fortunately I experimented before using it on the cowling. Doug Greetings fellow builders, In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough. But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings. Thoughts? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2010
From: Steven Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: Re: calibrating capacitive sensors
On 02/23/2010 11:25 AM, thomas sargent wrote: > I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first > flight of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate > these things before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill > the tank completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full > tanks, so I have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. I have had to calibrate mine several times due to replaced controllers. With the electric fuel pump off I just disconnected the fuel line to the carburetor and put the end into a 5 gallon fuel can. Then turned on the fuel pump to fill the can and turned it off to change cans. Just be sure to ground the fuel can to the aircraft before turning on the fuel pump. On my plane no fuel leaked out as long as the electric fuel pump was off. This may or may not be a safe method to use. As the manufacturer of your airplane you must determine the safe maintenance practices that are appropriate on your airplane. I have done that on mine and this is the procedure I use. Steve Eberhart RV-7A, O-360 A1A, Catto 3 blade, basic 4 steam gauge VFR panel, Garmin 696 and Icom A210. FLYING since June 24, 2009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling
From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Just a suggestion on an alternative solvent, when I tried this on RTV, methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) was much better than acetone. Acetone had the same effect of turning the RTV to gum, whereas the MEK resulted in a nicely runny mixture. It evaporates and produces the desired end result in RTV. It might be worthwhile trying this with epoxy. Side note for folks outside the US. MEK is available in Canada only, it seems, in lacquer thinner. Apparently it can be used to make crystal meth or some such, so it's not readily available. Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec RV-9A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2010
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Subject: Air traffic animation showing flights across the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk&feature=popt02us0d <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk&feature=popt02us0d> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Air traffic animation showing flights across the U.S.
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Cool The person who posted it also has one showing just FedEx flights Someone once posted somewhere a URL that lets you see flights in real time, but I can't seem to find it It's a map of the US and it shows every flight that's in the air right now anyone know the site I am thinking of? _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: RV-List: Air traffic animation showing flights across the U.S. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk&feature=popt02us0d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk&feature=popt02us0d 19:34:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: calibrating capacitive sensors
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Recommend a thorough fuel tank and fuel line flush as part of this process. Disconnect the fuel hose at the firewall and connect a temporary hose, with a clear in line fuel filter, such that you are pumping fuel from the tank through all your fuel lines and then to a series of 5 gallon fuel cans. Make sure you first remove whatever you are using for a fuel filter. You want all the junk collected in the cheap in line filter you will put in the temporary hose. You will be amazed at the stuff coming out of your brand new fuel tanks and fuel lines. For the calibration, level the plane and add one gallon at a time to one tank. Pump this out to the 5 gal cans via the temporary line. You now have the data you need to: 1. Measure fuel tank volume 2. Measure useable fuel 3. Calibrate your fuel level indication (take data at each gallon add) 4. Measure fuel flow rate (to make sure you will be pumping enough fuel to the engine) Now repeat the process using the fuel in the 5 gallon cans to fill the other tank. Repeat the flushing process on both tanks until you no longer collect trash in the clear in line fuel filter. Once done, remember to reinstall your permanent fuel filter. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (525 hrs) RV-10 (system install) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Eberhart Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: calibrating capacitive sensors On 02/23/2010 11:25 AM, thomas sargent wrote: > I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first > flight of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate > these things before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill > the tank completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full > tanks, so I have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. I have had to calibrate mine several times due to replaced controllers. With the electric fuel pump off I just disconnected the fuel line to the carburetor and put the end into a 5 gallon fuel can. Then turned on the fuel pump to fill the can and turned it off to change cans. Just be sure to ground the fuel can to the aircraft before turning on the fuel pump. On my plane no fuel leaked out as long as the electric fuel pump was off. This may or may not be a safe method to use. As the manufacturer of your airplane you must determine the safe maintenance practices that are appropriate on your airplane. I have done that on mine and this is the procedure I use. Steve Eberhart RV-7A, O-360 A1A, Catto 3 blade, basic 4 steam gauge VFR panel, Garmin 696 and Icom A210. FLYING since June 24, 2009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Subject: Re: calibrating capacitive sensors
From: Greg Green <gpgreen(at)gmail.com>
In addition to this, it would be a good idea to do the fuel-flow test that is mandated by the Canadian government for experimentals in canada. The upshot is that you put the aircraft in a attitude somewhat greater than the maximum climb attitude, about 20 degrees nose-high for RV's, then measure the fuel flow at the engine for each tank. This fuel-flow should be 150% of maximum required of engine for a gravity-feed system, and 125% of maximum for a fuel-pump system. Jack Dueck wrote an article "Feul-flow and Unusable Fuel Tests for your Homebuilt", but I can't find a link on the internet to it. I got a copy of it in the excellent EAA seminars. The article demonstrates the test for an RV-9A. The carburetor inlet fitting is attached to the fuel line, and then a hose attached to the fitting. Then a 5 gallon fuel container is weighed to get the empty weight, and the hose from the fitting is placed in it. Add 2 gallons to a tank. Run the fuel-pump with the plane in 20 degree climb attitude until the tank is empty (timing this also), then weigh the container which gives you amount of fuel, plus a rate which can be calculated from the time required to pump the weight of fuel. It also gives you the unusable fuel in each tank, ie the amount of the 2 gallons dumped in that didn't make it to the container during the test. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> > > Recommend a thorough fuel tank and fuel line flush as part of this process. > Disconnect the fuel hose at the firewall and connect a temporary hose, with > a clear in line fuel filter, such that you are pumping fuel from the tank > through all your fuel lines and then to a series of 5 gallon fuel cans. > Make sure you first remove whatever you are using for a fuel filter. You > want all the junk collected in the cheap in line filter you will put in the > temporary hose. You will be amazed at the stuff coming out of your brand > new fuel tanks and fuel lines. > > For the calibration, level the plane and add one gallon at a time to one > tank. Pump this out to the 5 gal cans via the temporary line. You now > have > the data you need to: > 1. Measure fuel tank volume > 2. Measure useable fuel > 3. Calibrate your fuel level indication (take data at each gallon add) > 4. Measure fuel flow rate (to make sure you will be pumping enough fuel to > the engine) > > Now repeat the process using the fuel in the 5 gallon cans to fill the > other > tank. Repeat the flushing process on both tanks until you no longer > collect > trash in the clear in line fuel filter. Once done, remember to reinstall > your permanent fuel filter. > > Carl Froehlich > RV-8A (525 hrs) > RV-10 (system install) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Eberhart > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:10 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: calibrating capacitive sensors > > > On 02/23/2010 11:25 AM, thomas sargent wrote: > > I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first > > flight of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate > > these things before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill > > the tank completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full > > tanks, so I have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. > I have had to calibrate mine several times due to replaced controllers. > With the electric fuel pump off I just disconnected the fuel line to the > carburetor and put the end into a 5 gallon fuel can. Then turned on the > fuel pump to fill the can and turned it off to change cans. Just be > sure to ground the fuel can to the aircraft before turning on the fuel > pump. On my plane no fuel leaked out as long as the electric fuel pump > was off. > > This may or may not be a safe method to use. As the manufacturer of > your airplane you must determine the safe maintenance practices that are > appropriate on your airplane. I have done that on mine and this is the > procedure I use. > > Steve Eberhart > RV-7A, O-360 A1A, Catto 3 blade, basic 4 steam gauge VFR panel, Garmin > 696 and Icom A210. FLYING since June 24, 2009 > > -- Greg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2010
Subject: Re: calibrating capacitive sensors
From: Bob Kuc <bobkuc(at)gmail.com>
At the same time, you might also consider doing a fuel stick. That way you could use it to check fuel levels during the preflight. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Greg Green wrote: > In addition to this, it would be a good idea to do the fuel-flow test that > is mandated by the Canadian government for experimentals in canada. The > upshot is that you put the aircraft in a attitude somewhat greater than the > maximum climb attitude, about 20 degrees nose-high for RV's, then measure > the fuel flow at the engine for each tank. This fuel-flow should be 150% of > maximum required of engine for a gravity-feed system, and 125% of maximum > for a fuel-pump system. > > Jack Dueck wrote an article "Feul-flow and Unusable Fuel Tests for your > Homebuilt", but I can't find a link on the internet to it. I got a copy of > it in the excellent EAA seminars. > > The article demonstrates the test for an RV-9A. The carburetor inlet > fitting is attached to the fuel line, and then a hose attached to the > fitting. Then a 5 gallon fuel container is weighed to get the empty weight, > and the hose from the fitting is placed in it. Add 2 gallons to a tank. Run > the fuel-pump with the plane in 20 degree climb attitude until the tank is > empty (timing this also), then weigh the container which gives you amount of > fuel, plus a rate which can be calculated from the time required to pump the > weight of fuel. It also gives you the unusable fuel in each tank, ie the > amount of the 2 gallons dumped in that didn't make it to the container > during the test. > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Carl Froehlich < > carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote: > >> carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> >> >> Recommend a thorough fuel tank and fuel line flush as part of this >> process. >> Disconnect the fuel hose at the firewall and connect a temporary hose, >> with >> a clear in line fuel filter, such that you are pumping fuel from the tank >> through all your fuel lines and then to a series of 5 gallon fuel cans. >> Make sure you first remove whatever you are using for a fuel filter. You >> want all the junk collected in the cheap in line filter you will put in >> the >> temporary hose. You will be amazed at the stuff coming out of your brand >> new fuel tanks and fuel lines. >> >> For the calibration, level the plane and add one gallon at a time to one >> tank. Pump this out to the 5 gal cans via the temporary line. You now >> have >> the data you need to: >> 1. Measure fuel tank volume >> 2. Measure useable fuel >> 3. Calibrate your fuel level indication (take data at each gallon add) >> 4. Measure fuel flow rate (to make sure you will be pumping enough fuel >> to >> the engine) >> >> Now repeat the process using the fuel in the 5 gallon cans to fill the >> other >> tank. Repeat the flushing process on both tanks until you no longer >> collect >> trash in the clear in line fuel filter. Once done, remember to reinstall >> your permanent fuel filter. >> >> Carl Froehlich >> RV-8A (525 hrs) >> RV-10 (system install) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Eberhart >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:10 AM >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: calibrating capacitive sensors >> >> >> On 02/23/2010 11:25 AM, thomas sargent wrote: >> > I have the Princeton fuel level sensors and am approaching first >> > flight of my 6A. I'm having trouble figuring out how to calibrate >> > these things before the first flight. The problem is you have to fill >> > the tank completely. The first flight shouldn't be done with full >> > tanks, so I have to fill them and then empty them before I fly. >> I have had to calibrate mine several times due to replaced controllers. >> With the electric fuel pump off I just disconnected the fuel line to the >> carburetor and put the end into a 5 gallon fuel can. Then turned on the >> fuel pump to fill the can and turned it off to change cans. Just be >> sure to ground the fuel can to the aircraft before turning on the fuel >> pump. On my plane no fuel leaked out as long as the electric fuel pump >> was off. >> >> This may or may not be a safe method to use. As the manufacturer of >> your airplane you must determine the safe maintenance practices that are >> appropriate on your airplane. I have done that on mine and this is the >> procedure I use. >> >> Steve Eberhart >> RV-7A, O-360 A1A, Catto 3 blade, basic 4 steam gauge VFR panel, Garmin >> 696 and Icom A210. FLYING since June 24, 2009 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Greg > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sensenich Prop
Date: Feb 24, 2010
From: joelrhaynes(at)aol.com
Dean, I spoke with Tom at Van's before selecting the 85" pitch prop. He said I would be unhappy with cruise speeds with any pitch lower than 85. He was right. At 8000 ft and full throttle I am right at redline at 2700 rpm an d close to 175 kt TAS. I don't want to have any throttle left when I hit redline. 85" pitch works perfectly for RVs with the 0-360. I fly off a 5000 ft altitude strip and I am easily in the air in a few hundred feet. Grossed out on a high density altitude day she will still climb much bet ter than what would be prudent for proper cylinder cooling. Normal climb out for me is at 2450-2500 rpm, 135-140 kts TAS and about 750 fpm, which keeps the engine cool, and that is throttled back significantly. Perform ance is not a problem. The 2100 rpm static is about what I get. When the plane gets moving the rpms rise nicely. Joel Haynes RV-7A N557XW Bozeman, MT 250 hrs - Gettin' paint soon From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> Subject: RV-List: Sensenich Prop =Sensenich Metal Prop users: =I have a 72FM85 (72 length x 85 pitch) metal prop for parallel valve 0- 360. I installed the prop a while back to solve what turned out to be a problem with the FI system. When the prop didn't fix the problem I did more testi ng and static running with it to finally figure it out. I discovered that at full throttle (ground run) the tach showed only 2100 RPM. I didn't get a chance to fly with that prop because it was recalled before the FI system was fixed and I had to take it off the airplane. I've been flying with my Sterba wood prop which gives 2300 RPM static and 2550 RPM full power at 10 00 MSL (level flight). =I want to reinstall the Sensenich prop but am thinking that 2100 max RP M at takeoff is a little low. Van's catalog listed this prop as the ONLY one th ey recommended for the 0-360 engine. The Sensenich website lists two other (0-360) props (83 and 81 pitch) and if my Sterba is any indication, I probably should have at least went with the 83 pitch instead of the 85. =I know there are a lot of these props out in the RV community...those of you that have them on 180HP O-360s: =Are you getting this low of RPM on takeoff (2100 static)? =What kind of takeoff distances are you seeing (light and fully loaded)? =Does the RPM pick up quickly as the plane starts moving on the runway? =By the time your at the end of the takeoff roll does the RPM exceed 210 0? =Will there be any harm done to the engine running full throttle at 600R PM below rated power RPM (detonation, overheating, etc, low power is a given) ? =How many of you with the 85 inch pitch props have gotten them re-pitche d? =Would you have gone with 83 or 81 inch pitch if you'd known ahead of ti me? =Is anyone using the 83 or 81 pitch version and what is your experience with those? =Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos V-6A N197DM inally warming...S. Florida ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2010
Subject: Re: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling
From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com>
I've had good luck with putting the resin in the microwave for a few seconds, then mixing it. It will set up a little more quickly but its water thin if you do this. For large layups I do this every time since I go thru the epoxy quickly, and it makes the fabric wet out much better. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ian wrote: > Just a suggestion on an alternative solvent, when I tried this on RTV, > methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) was much better than acetone. > Acetone had the same effect of turning the RTV to gum, whereas the MEK > resulted in a nicely runny mixture. It evaporates and produces the desired > end result in RTV. It might be worthwhile trying this with epoxy. > > Side note for folks outside the US. MEK is available in Canada only, it > seems, in lacquer thinner. Apparently it can be used to make crystal meth > or some such, so it's not readily available. > Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec RV-9A > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2010
Subject: X-plane flight simulator
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
Has any one used the X-plane simulator program? It claims to feature RV's among many other planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions would be useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on Linux. -- Tom Sargent ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2010
From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: X-plane flight simulator
I have been a user of X-plane for many years. I am running V8 at the moment because I cannot handle V9 on my puter. If you want to fully simulate a flight from engine start up through taxiing, take off and landing, it is quite possible. You select your radio frequencies, weather conditions ( I am a VFR pilot and I fly IFR minimums a lot), aircraft type, the works. Fly with an engine out and still get to an airport safely. www.x-plane.org is the best place to get any type of aircraft imaginable. You can design your own aircraft. It is a great modern day "Links Trainer". I flew a 747 out of a 4000 foot field and didn't wreck the aircraft and then landed it in a 30knot crosswind after dodging convective weather enroute. In summary, you will enjoy it and you can't go wrong with this program. Dave Nellis --- On Thu, 2/25/10, thomas sargent wrote: > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > To: "rv-list" > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:19 PM > Has any one used the X-plane simulator > program? It claims to feature RV's among many other > planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions would be > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on > Linux. > > > -- > Tom Sargent > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 26, 2010
Subject: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
I recall reading an article some time ago, in the RVator on-line I think, about why you shouldn't do high speed taxi tests until AFTER your first flight. But I can't find it. Can any one tell me where to get that? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 26, 2010
From: d wntzl <dwntzl(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aymar DeMuth Propellers
Hello, - Does anyone have any info on the above?? Phone is disconnected, e mail no longer goes through. Mike was such a dedicated propeller guy I can't bel ieve he just gave it up. Thanks DW- RV6- 460 enjoyable hrs behind an Aymer DeMuth prop --- On Fri, 2/26/10, RV-List Digest Server wrote: From: RV-List Digest Server <rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/25/10 Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:59 AM * ======================== ---Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below.- The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation.- The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: - - http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View =html&Chapter 10-02-25&Archive=RV Text Version: - - http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View =txt&Chapter 10-02-25&Archive=RV ====================== ---EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ====================== - - - - ----------------------------------------------------- -------- - - - - - - - - - - - - ---RV-List Digest Arc hive - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - ---Total Messages Posted Thu 02/2 5/10: 3 - - - - ----------------------------------------------------- -------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- - ---1. 09:26 AM - Re: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling- (Bob J.) - ---2. 03:52 PM - X-plane flight simulator- (thomas sargent) - ---3. 06:58 PM - Re: X-plane flight simulator- (Dave Nellis) ________________________________- Message 1- __________________________ ___________ Subject: Re: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> I've had good luck with putting the resin in the microwave for a few seconds, then mixing it.- It will set up a little more quickly but its wa ter thin if you do this.- For large layups I do this every time since I go th ru the epoxy quickly, and it makes the fabric wet out much better. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ian wrote: >- Just a suggestion on an alternative solvent, when I tried this on RTV, > methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) was much better than acetone. > Acetone had the same effect of turning the RTV to gum, whereas the MEK > resulted in a nicely runny mixture.- It evaporates and produces the des ired > end result in RTV.- It might be worthwhile trying this with epoxy. > > Side note for folks outside the US.- MEK is available in Canada only, i t > seems, in lacquer thinner.---Apparently it can be used to make crys tal meth > or some such, so it's not readily available. > Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec RV-9A > ________________________________- Message 2- __________________________ ___________ Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> Has any one used the X-plane simulator program?- It claims to feature RV' s among many other planes (as well as roll-your-own).- Any opinions would b e useful.- It's interesting to me because it runs on Linux. -- Tom Sargent ________________________________- Message 3- __________________________ ___________ From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator I have been a user of X-plane for many years.- I am running V8 at the mom ent because I cannot handle V9 on my puter.- If you want to fully simulate a flight from engine start up through taxiing, take off and landing, it is quite pos sible. You select your radio frequencies, weather conditions ( I am a VFR pilot and I fly IFR minimums a lot), aircraft type, the works.- Fly with an eng ine out and still get to an airport safely. www.x-plane.org is the best place to get any type of aircraft imaginable. - You can design your own aircraft. It is a great modern day "Links Trainer". I flew a 747 out of a 4000 foot field and didn't wreck the aircraft and the n landed it in a 30knot crosswind after dodging convective weather enroute. In summary, you will enjoy it and you can't go wrong with this program. Dave Nellis --- On Thu, 2/25/10, thomas sargent wrote: > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > To: "rv-list" > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:19 PM > Has any one used the X-plane simulator > program? It claims to feature RV's among many other > planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions would be > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on > Linux. > > > -- > Tom Sargent > > > > > > - - - le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kyle Boatright <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Aymar DeMuth Propellers
Date: Feb 26, 2010
They are in SC now and are in business. When I get home this evening I will post current contact info. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:50 AM, d wntzl wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone have any info on the above?? Phone is disconnected, e > mail no longer goes through. Mike was such a dedicated propeller guy > I can't believe he just gave it up. > Thanks > DW RV6 460 enjoyable hrs behind an Aymer DeMuth prop > > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, RV-List Digest Server > wrote: > > From: RV-List Digest Server <rv-list(at)matronics.com> > Subject: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/25/10 > To: "RV-List Digest List" > Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:59 AM > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version > of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-02-25&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-02-25&Archive=RV > > > ====================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ====================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 02/25/10: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:26 AM - Re: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling > (Bob J.) > 2. 03:52 PM - X-plane flight simulator (thomas sargent) > 3. 06:58 PM - Re: X-plane flight simulator (Dave Nellis) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling > From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> > > I've had good luck with putting the resin in the microwave for a few > seconds, then mixing it. It will set up a little more quickly but > its water > thin if you do this. For large layups I do this every time since I > go thru > the epoxy quickly, and it makes the fabric wet out much better. > > Regards, > Bob Japundza > RV-6 flying F1 under const > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ian wrote: > > > Just a suggestion on an alternative solvent, when I tried this on > RTV, > > methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) was much better than acetone. > > Acetone had the same effect of turning the RTV to gum, whereas the > MEK > > resulted in a nicely runny mixture. It evaporates and produces > the desired > > end result in RTV. It might be worthwhile trying this with epoxy. > > > > Side note for folks outside the US. MEK is available in Canada > only, it > > seems, in lacquer thinner. Apparently it can be used to make > crystal meth > > or some such, so it's not readily available. > > Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec RV-9A > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > > Has any one used the X-plane simulator program? It claims to > feature RV's > among many other planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions > would be > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on Linux. > > -- > Tom Sargent > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > > > I have been a user of X-plane for many years. I am running V8 at > the moment because > I cannot handle V9 on my puter. If you want to fully simulate a > flight > from engine start up through taxiing, take off and landing, it is > quite possible. > You select your radio frequencies, weather conditions ( I am a VFR > pilot > and I fly IFR minimums a lot), aircraft type, the works. Fly with > an engine out > and still get to an airport safely. > > www.x-plane.org is the best place to get any type of aircraft > imaginable. > > You can design your own aircraft. > > It is a great modern day "Links Trainer". > > I flew a 747 out of a 4000 foot field and didn't wreck the aircraft > and then landed > it in a 30knot crosswind after dodging convective weather enroute. > > In summary, you will enjoy it and you can't go wrong with this > program. > > Dave Nellis > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, thomas sargent wrote: > > > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > > To: "rv-list" > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:19 PM > > Has any one used the X-plane simulator > > program? It claims to feature RV's among many other > > planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions would be > > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on > > Linux. > > > > > > -- > > Tom Sargent > > > > > > > > > > > > //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics======================= > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kyle Boatright <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Aymar DeMuth Propellers
Date: Feb 26, 2010
Update... I just spoke with Mike Demuth, who was in the shop making propellers. His number is 803-321-0569. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:50 AM, d wntzl wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone have any info on the above?? Phone is disconnected, e > mail no longer goes through. Mike was such a dedicated propeller guy > I can't believe he just gave it up. > Thanks > DW RV6 460 enjoyable hrs behind an Aymer DeMuth prop > > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, RV-List Digest Server > wrote: > > From: RV-List Digest Server <rv-list(at)matronics.com> > Subject: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/25/10 > To: "RV-List Digest List" > Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:59 AM > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version > of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-02-25&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-02-25&Archive=RV > > > ====================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ====================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 02/25/10: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:26 AM - Re: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling > (Bob J.) > 2. 03:52 PM - X-plane flight simulator (thomas sargent) > 3. 06:58 PM - Re: X-plane flight simulator (Dave Nellis) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin to inside of cowling > From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> > > I've had good luck with putting the resin in the microwave for a few > seconds, then mixing it. It will set up a little more quickly but > its water > thin if you do this. For large layups I do this every time since I > go thru > the epoxy quickly, and it makes the fabric wet out much better. > > Regards, > Bob Japundza > RV-6 flying F1 under const > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ian wrote: > > > Just a suggestion on an alternative solvent, when I tried this on > RTV, > > methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) was much better than acetone. > > Acetone had the same effect of turning the RTV to gum, whereas the > MEK > > resulted in a nicely runny mixture. It evaporates and produces > the desired > > end result in RTV. It might be worthwhile trying this with epoxy. > > > > Side note for folks outside the US. MEK is available in Canada > only, it > > seems, in lacquer thinner. Apparently it can be used to make > crystal meth > > or some such, so it's not readily available. > > Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec RV-9A > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > > Has any one used the X-plane simulator program? It claims to > feature RV's > among many other planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions > would be > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on Linux. > > -- > Tom Sargent > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > > > I have been a user of X-plane for many years. I am running V8 at > the moment because > I cannot handle V9 on my puter. If you want to fully simulate a > flight > from engine start up through taxiing, take off and landing, it is > quite possible. > You select your radio frequencies, weather conditions ( I am a VFR > pilot > and I fly IFR minimums a lot), aircraft type, the works. Fly with > an engine out > and still get to an airport safely. > > www.x-plane.org is the best place to get any type of aircraft > imaginable. > > You can design your own aircraft. > > It is a great modern day "Links Trainer". > > I flew a 747 out of a 4000 foot field and didn't wreck the aircraft > and then landed > it in a 30knot crosswind after dodging convective weather enroute. > > In summary, you will enjoy it and you can't go wrong with this > program. > > Dave Nellis > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, thomas sargent wrote: > > > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > > To: "rv-list" > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:19 PM > > Has any one used the X-plane simulator > > program? It claims to feature RV's among many other > > planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions would be > > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on > > Linux. > > > > > > -- > > Tom Sargent > > > > > > > > > > > > //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics======================= > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 26, 2010
Subject: Re: X-plane flight simulator
From: Greg Green <gpgreen(at)gmail.com>
Now that Microsoft has shut down their simulator work, XPlane is the next best thing. There is also the Flight Gear project: http://www.flightgear.org/ Since you are using linux, this is usually already packaged up for most of the distributions. We are using XPlane for some research at the Boeing co. Even though there is internal flight sim sw, it is not so easy to setup and expensive also. XPlane works pretty well, though not as polished as MS Flight Simulator was/is. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Dave Nellis wrote: > > I have been a user of X-plane for many years. I am running V8 at the > moment because I cannot handle V9 on my puter. If you want to fully > simulate a flight from engine start up through taxiing, take off and > landing, it is quite possible. You select your radio frequencies, weather > conditions ( I am a VFR pilot and I fly IFR minimums a lot), aircraft type, > the works. Fly with an engine out and still get to an airport safely. > > www.x-plane.org is the best place to get any type of aircraft imaginable. > > You can design your own aircraft. > > It is a great modern day "Links Trainer". > > I flew a 747 out of a 4000 foot field and didn't wreck the aircraft and > then landed it in a 30knot crosswind after dodging convective weather > enroute. > > In summary, you will enjoy it and you can't go wrong with this program. > > Dave Nellis > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, thomas sargent wrote: > > > From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> > > Subject: RV-List: X-plane flight simulator > > To: "rv-list" > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:19 PM > > Has any one used the X-plane simulator > > program? It claims to feature RV's among many other > > planes (as well as roll-your-own). Any opinions would be > > useful. It's interesting to me because it runs on > > Linux. > > > > > > -- > > Tom Sargent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Greg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 28, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...?
Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins. What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum... Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 28, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...?
At 12:08 PM 2/28/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote: >Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins. What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum... > >Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated! > >Matt Dralle Well, okay, so it wasn't quite as hard as I thought. It was still a pain though! Here are three pictures of the safety wiring I did on the Hartzell CS Prop bolts (photo of each pair of bolts). What do you guys think? Best regards, Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...?
From: Richard McBride <rick.mcbride(at)me.com>
Date: Feb 28, 2010
When my -8 was inspected the DAR told me the size of the prop bolts requires .040 safety wire. I had used .032. I didn't change the size and haven't had any issues. It was difficult enough using .032. I can't imagine the struggle with the thicker wire. Rick McBride On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > At 12:08 PM 2/28/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins. What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum... >> >> Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated! >> >> Matt Dralle > > Well, okay, so it wasn't quite as hard as I thought. It was still a pain though! Here are three pictures of the safety wiring I did on the Hartzell CS Prop bolts (photo of each pair of bolts). What do you guys think? > > Best regards, > > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog > <2010.02.28 - RV-8 - Hartzell CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring (1).jpg><2010.02.28 - RV-8 - Hartzell CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring (2).jpg><2010.02.28 - RV-8 - Hartzell CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring (3).jpg> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 28, 2010
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...?
The manual for your prop should specify the required wire size. If it is a Hartzell, I'm betting it will call for 0.032" wire. The manufacturer's recommendation would trump anything your inspector might have lodged in his brain. Kevin Horton Richard McBride wrote: > > When my -8 was inspected the DAR told me the size of the prop bolts requires .040 safety wire. I had used .032. I didn't change the size and haven't had any issues. It was difficult enough using .032. I can't imagine the struggle with the thicker wire. > > Rick McBride > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > >> At 12:08 PM 2/28/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote: >> >> >>> Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins. What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum... >>> >>> Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated! >>> >>> Matt Dralle >>> >> Well, okay, so it wasn't quite as hard as I thought. It was still a pain though! Here are three pictures of the safety wiring I did on the Hartzell CS Prop bolts (photo of each pair of bolts). What do you guys think? >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV >> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog >> <2010.02.28 - RV-8 - Hartzell CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring (1).jpg><2010.02.28 - RV-8 - Hartzell CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring (2).jpg><2010.02.28 - RV-8 - Hartzell CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring (3).jpg> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 28, 2010
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...?
Matt Dralle wrote: > At 12:08 PM 2/28/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote: > > >> Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins. What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum... >> >> Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated! >> >> Matt Dralle >> > > Well, okay, so it wasn't quite as hard as I thought. It was still a pain though! Here are three pictures of the safety wiring I did on the Hartzell CS Prop bolts (photo of each pair of bolts). What do you guys think? > They look fine. The only thing I would have done differently is to put a piece of small diameter nylon tubing over the twisted safety wire to keep it from wearing at the prop hub between the bolts. Note that this isn't strictly required (it isn't called for in the manufacturer's manuals, and many people don't do it), so I wouldn't redo things now. You can add this touch after the first flight when you pull the prop to switch to a shorter alternator belt to stop the alternator pulley from rubbing on the lower cowling. Kevin Horton ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2010
From: Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found starting on page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2010
Subject: Re: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>
Rick: That's great, thanks. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Rick Galati wrote: > > Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found starting on > page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. > -- Tom Sargent ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
Anyway to scan that article for those of us that got here late??? Linn thomas sargent wrote: > Rick: > That's great, thanks. > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Rick Galati > wrote: > > > > > Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found > starting on page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. > > > > -- > Tom Sargent > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 02, 2010
From: arne+matronics(at)oslebo.no
Subject: Re: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
You can also find an article in an RVator issue from 2008: http://www.vansaircraft.com/RVator/2008/6-2008-RVator.pdf It starts on page 6. Arne Linn Walters wrote: > > Anyway to scan that article for those of us that got here late??? > Linn > > thomas sargent wrote: >> Rick: >> That's great, thanks. >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Rick Galati > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found >> starting on page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Sargent >> >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fisher Paul A." <FisherPaulA(at)JohnDeere.com>
Date: Mar 02, 2010
Subject: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
I didn't find the 2005 version, but there is one here: http://www.vansaircraft.com/RVator/2008/6-2008-RVator.pdf See page #6. - Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 17:56 Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests Anyway to scan that article for those of us that got here late??? Linn thomas sargent wrote: > Rick: > That's great, thanks. > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Rick Galati > wrote: > > > > > Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found > starting on page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. > > > > -- > Tom Sargent > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
Date: Mar 02, 2010
Go here: http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2009/taxi_tests.html There's a short article on it and a link to a more recent Van's column on it that basically repeats the earlier one. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests Anyway to scan that article for those of us that got here late??? Linn thomas sargent wrote: > Rick: > That's great, thanks. > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Rick Galati > wrote: > > > > > Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found > starting on page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. > > > > -- > Tom Sargent > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 02, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Van's article on high speed taxi tests
Thank you. Because of the Pitts reputation for squirrely ground operations, I did do the 'higher than taxi' speed tests, and also picked the tail up. The problem the inexperienced pilot encountered was the application of large amounts of rudder to counteract small excursions toward the edge of the taxiway. The article brought back memories that I hadn't mused over in a long time. After an excursion off the taxiway and back on using the taxiway light as a slalom pole, I had the 'this is stupid' revelation. The next time it was a takeoff. Planned. I had witnessed a couple of disasters/minor incidents of other first flights that did the 'crow hop' routine that I knew that commitment to a full flight profile the first time the Pitts left the ground was mandatory. The first flight lasted a hour (scared of that first landing I suppose) and the landing was probably the best I ever made. The worst one was because I became complacent years later. One thing that stood out in the article ..... the accident with the "test pilot(hired by the builder for his experience in fast-glass airplanes)" ...... I flew the Pitts on it's first flight, and I'll probably do the same with the -10. But I will have some dual before I fly the -10. I didn't in the Pitts ..... and chalk up the success to the angels on my shoulders. Just thought I'd share. Linn \arne+matronics(at)oslebo.no wrote: > > You can also find an article in an RVator issue from 2008: > http://www.vansaircraft.com/RVator/2008/6-2008-RVator.pdf > > It starts on page 6. > > Arne > > > > Linn Walters wrote: >> >> Anyway to scan that article for those of us that got here late??? >> Linn >> >> thomas sargent wrote: >>> Rick: >>> That's great, thanks. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Rick Galati >> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> Van's article "BEWARE: THE HIGH SPEED TAXI TEST" can be found >>> starting on page 9 of "The RVator" second issue 2005. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Sargent >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...?
Date: Mar 02, 2010
Two at a time. Get a mechanic who makes a living safeting. I had two of them working about two hours to do mine. One said he'd have it done in fifteen minutes ... NOT. What a pain. It just takes time and a lot of patience. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: RV-List: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...? Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins. What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum... Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Electronic Ignition Choice
Date: Mar 03, 2010
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
I am interested in using 1 Mag and 1 electronic ignition system on my 8A. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be the preferred system for my second ignition the P-Mag or the Hall Effect Light Speed Plasma III. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots
From: Dane Sheahen <fastpilotrv8(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2010
Dear fellow Florida Pilots: Are there any RV pilots in Southwest Florida/Naples that fly out on the weekends for those $100 EGGS or for that matter any time. I am a looking for some pilots down here to do some flying with. I found a great group at SpruceCreek Fl. last week but that is a bit of a flight for eggs. Does anyone know about that fly-in community that John Travolta lives at still has a brunch once a month ? Dane Sheahen N8383RV RV8a 847-373-0026 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Hurd" <hurd(at)gvtc.com>
Subject: Flap Tape Peeling
Date: Mar 04, 2010
The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Flap Tape Peeling
Date: Mar 04, 2010
I'm in the same situation. I figure I'll try and soften the adhesive with a blow drier and see if I can remove the tape that way. After that, I'll use WD-40 or one of the citrus based cleaners to remove the rest of the adhesive. But I'd appreciate it if someone else has done this and can offer a proven solution.... Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hurd To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:07 AM Subject: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Electronic Ignition Choice
Date: Mar 04, 2010
From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Robin - I'd recommend a P-Mag. Smaller, self-contained, self-powered, easy set-up and excellent support. neal I am interested in using 1 Mag and 1 electronic ignition system on my 8A. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be the preferred system for my second ignition the P-Mag or the Hall Effect Light Speed Plasma III. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Flap Tape Peeling
Date: Mar 04, 2010
From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Mineral spirits will soften the adhesive without attacking the paint. ================= The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2010
Subject: Re: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots
From: Ollie Washburn <ollies7s(at)gmail.com>
Check at one of your local airports,Punta Gorda (PGD) as there are several RVs based there. Greystone (17FL) is the airport Travolta lives at and they have their brunches the first Sunday of month. Rather expensive at $40 a pop. Are you on the Fl RV list? This was started by Laura Crook and is now looked after by my better half and she sends out a notice to RVers of goings on.[ lorenewashburn(at)gmail.com] Also I think there is a group of RVers that fly to Bartow Sun mornings for breakfast and a group goes to Sebring for breakfast on Wed. Ollie On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Dane Sheahen wrote: > > Dear fellow Florida Pilots: > > Are there any RV pilots in Southwest Florida/Naples that fly out on the > weekends for those $100 EGGS or for that matter any time. I am a looking > for some pilots down here to do some flying with. I found a great group at > SpruceCreek Fl. last week but that is a bit of a flight for eggs. > > Does anyone know about that fly-in community that John Travolta lives at > still has a brunch once a month ? > > Dane Sheahen > N8383RV RV8a > 847-373-0026 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom" <n621tm(at)tx.rr.com>
Subject: Flap Tape Peeling
Date: Mar 04, 2010
Jim, I went through this a couple of months ago. My tape didn't last near that long as yours did. I was able to get the old tape off by heating it and pulling it up slowly without doing any damage to the paint. I then had to use something to dissolve some small patches of adhesive that remained behind. I think I used "Goo Be Gone" without any problems. Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:54 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling Mineral spirits will soften the adhesive without attacking the paint. ================= The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots
Date: Mar 04, 2010
From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com
Try WWW.Floridaaeroclub.org I'm in the North Perry chapter. We fly out to a different location each month for lunch on a Sunday. Also 2 weekend getaways a year as well as fly outs to the Bahamas. Feel free to email me direct. Eddy Fernandez RV9A RV7A -----Original Message----- From: Dane Sheahen <fastpilotrv8(at)aol.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:20 pm Subject: RV-List: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots Dear fellow Florida Pilots: Are there any RV pilots in Southwest Florida/Naples that fly out on the weekends for those $100 EGGS or for that matter any time. I am a looking for some pilots down here to do some flying with. I found a great group at SpruceCreek Fl. last week but that is a bit of a flight for eggs. Does anyone know about that fly-in community that John Travolta lives at still has a brunch once a month ? Dane Sheahen N8383RV RV8a 847-373-0026 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2010
Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition Choice
From: J Riffel <riffeljl(at)gmail.com>
Robin, I chose putting 2 P-Mags on my RV-7A and couldn't be happier with the choice. The things I considered when I compared ignitions were: - How durable/reliable are they? - I knew I didn't want Mags because I'd lived with them on previous planes. They weren't Bad, but they took some care and maintenance. - There was a lot of chatter about the early E/PMags. But they've been reliable for me and the chatter has quieted down the last couple years. As I understand it, they only have one moving part (a shaft in a bearing) that wears a LONG time. - How easy is it to mount (orientation and form-factor)? - The PMags have roughly the same size/shape as Mags and can be mounted in any orientation. - What about fail-safety? - I chose two PMags so I didn't need any other power source if I had an alternator failure and battery failure. The down side is that I can not hand-prop it if I have a completely dead battery (but I'm not thrilled about hand-prop'g anyway). So I put a jump start connection under the cowl (highly recommended ... ask me how I know)[?] - How easy is it to time? - The PMags couldn't be easier ... less than 1 minute for BOTH units and no special equipment! A REAL advantage if you've timed mags before! - What about spark plugs? - With electronic ignition on both sides, I could use auto sparkplugs @ $2-3/ea vs aviation plugs @ $20+. That is quite a savings. No fouling either. - Tach signal - Yup, works great w/ my GrandRapids EIS. - Miscellaneous - I talked w/ the EMag folks at OSH, liked them, felt I could trust them and they seemed like they'd be in business into the future ... other vendors, not the same. - Support - I've had their service bulletin done (There's been only one on mine) and they were quick and fair. They've been Terrific whenever I've called with questions. - Down sides - Can't really think of any. The connector is a little strange but has been reliable and seems robust so far. I can not vary the timing from the cockpit - but haven't really wanted/needed to. I only have experience with PMags and Mags (on previous planes), so I can't compare other systems. Good luck. "Jerry" Riffel N554JR - 125hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2010
Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition Choice
From: Dale Ellis <rv8builder.kd0m(at)gmail.com>
If you do go with the P-Mag, check out this E or P Mag monitoring device marketed by a friend of mine, Bill Repucci, who is flying a RV-9 out of NC. His web site is http://www.eicommander.com/ Dale On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > I am interested in using 1 Mag and 1 electronic ignition system on my > 8A. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be the preferred system > for my second ignition the P-Mag or the Hall Effect Light Speed Plasma > III. > > Robin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Flap Tape Peeling
Date: Mar 04, 2010
One thing you might wish to consider: After you remove the tape from the flap, you might consider putting the tape on the lower surface of the wing where it rubs on the flap. That way the tape is out of sight and still protects the flap. One point though you must keep the flap surface clean so it will not get scraped by bugs or grit. dave RV 7A 145 hours On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:53 AM, George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ wrote: > Mineral spirits will soften the adhesive without attacking the paint. > > ================= > The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is > yellowing > and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also > taking off > the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of > paint. > > I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine > but I > would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before > attempting to > remove it all. > > The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with > their > reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white > UHMW. > TIA > > Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2010
Subject: Re: Flap Tape Peeling
Hit it lightly with a heat gun just ahead of the area you are peeling off and it should come off much easier. Clean the area with mineral spirits or Coleman Lantern Fluid (Naphtha) and reapply new tape. All of the natural UHMW is milky (translucent) white. There are some other protective tapes that could be used that are more transparent. Check out 3M website. -GV In a message dated 3/4/2010 10:04:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, yenduc(at)me.com writes: I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine > but I > would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before > attempting to > remove it all. > > The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with > their > reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white > UHMW. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Electronic Ignition Choice
Date: Mar 04, 2010
For those of you who are using/considering Pmag/Emags for your electronic Ignition. My partner and I have developed and are selling the Electronic Ignition Commander which provides a means of monitoring and controlling the electronic configuration of your units. I won=92t go into details here, but if interested Check out our web page for details. Currently only the 2 =BC=94 standard instrument case version is available. http://www.eicommander.com/index.htm The manual has details on the various display screens start on page 14. Contact information for my partner, Bill Repucci, is on the website. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com <http://www.andersonee.com> http://www.andersonee.com <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Riffel Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Choice Robin, I chose putting 2 P-Mags on my RV-7A and couldn't be happier with the choice. The things I considered when I compared ignitions were: * How durable/reliable are they? * I knew I didn't want Mags because I'd lived with them on previous planes. They weren't Bad, but they took some care and maintenance. * There was a lot of chatter about the early E/PMags. But they've been reliable for me and the chatter has quieted down the last couple years. As I understand it, they only have one moving part (a shaft in a bearing) that wears a LONG time. * How easy is it to mount (orientation and form-factor)? * The PMags have roughly the same size/shape as Mags and can be mounted in any orientation. * What about fail-safety? * I chose two PMags so I didn't need any other power source if I had an alternator failure and battery failure. The down side is that I can not hand-prop it if I have a completely dead battery (but I'm not thrilled about hand-prop'g anyway). So I put a jump start connection under the cowl (highly recommended ... ask me how I know) * How easy is it to time? * The PMags couldn't be easier ... less than 1 minute for BOTH units and no special equipment! A REAL advantage if you've timed mags before! * What about spark plugs? * With electronic ignition on both sides, I could use auto sparkplugs @ $2-3/ea vs aviation plugs @ $20+. That is quite a savings. No fouling either. * Tach signal * Yup, works great w/ my GrandRapids EIS. * Miscellaneous * I talked w/ the EMag folks at OSH, liked them, felt I could trust them and they seemed like they'd be in business into the future ... other vendors, not the same. * Support * I've had their service bulletin done (There's been only one on mine) and they were quick and fair. They've been Terrific whenever I've called with questions. * Down sides * Can't really think of any. The connector is a little strange but has been reliable and seems robust so far. I can not vary the timing from the cockpit - but haven't really wanted/needed to. I only have experience with PMags and Mags (on previous planes), so I can't compare other systems. Good luck. "Jerry" Riffel N554JR - 125hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2010
From: <mooney.faq(at)cox.net>
Subject: RV-7A "looksee" for my wife
I am considering the RV-7A kit. Wife would like to sit in one to judge amount of space. Location is Mesa, AZ (KFFZ) Please call if you are in the Phoenix area and can accommodate a visit. Ted - 602-318-5565 (anytime cell) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wife needs a RV-7A "grin ride" - Phoenix Area
From: Ted Saylor <mooney.faq(at)cox.net>
Date: Mar 04, 2010
I am considering the RV-7A kit. Wife would like to take a flight to judge it (she's a inactive private pilot). Location is Mesa, AZ (KFFZ) Please call if you are in the Phoenix area and can accommodate a ride. Ted - 602-318-5565 (anytime cell) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Date: Mar 05, 2010
Subject: UHMW tape yellowing
SNIP <<<<< The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. >>>>>SNIP We carry 4" wide 3M paint protection film that is perfect for this purpose. It's reasonably priced, removable, and will never yellow. $2.45/foot. http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=256 Once again, it's removable up to at least 5 years later with NO mess. I use it on my Rocket around the fairings, flaps, etc. And it will NOT yellow. Ever. You'll find many uses for it. Good stuff. Vince www.flyboyaccessories.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com>
Subject: John Ragozzino ?
Date: Mar 05, 2010
Hey - is John Ragozzino (RV-9 builder) on this list? I'd like to ask him a couple questions. Please email me at Bmeyette at gmail dot net Thanks, Brian http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2010
From: HCRV6(at)comcast.net
Subject: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal
I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone posted a reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil seal should be replaced at the same time. Does anyone have more information on that, like part number, source, and how? Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2010
Subject: Re: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal
Rocketmeister- My catalog shows this part as STD-2217. Aviall probably has it. Good luck -GV In a message dated 3/5/2010 12:44:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes: I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone posted a reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil seal should be replaced at the same time. Does anyone have more information on that, like part number, source, and how? Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2010
Subject: Re: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal
Sac Sky Ranch has the item STD-2217. -GV In a message dated 3/5/2010 12:44:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes: I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone posted a reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil seal should be replaced at the same time. Does anyone have more information on that, like part number, source, and how? Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 06, 2010
From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Help with an BMA EFIS/One question
I have a BMA EFIS/One G3 gold box. My plane is to the point where I have started checking out the avionics interconnections. I have the EFIS connected to my SL30 and to my Trutrak autopilot. The Trutrak was not communicating so I opened the EFIS/One up to take a look. I discovered that the additional serial ports, one of which is connected to the Trutrak and which I assumed were a standard part of the EFIS/One, are not there. Contacting "alumni" from BMA indicates that the serial ports were an option - which I didn't request since I didn't know they were optional. In any case, the ports were on a standard PC104 quad serial port board which I could easily add to my system if I only knew what board it was and what settings on the board. So far no one with any involvement with BMA has been able to help me identify the board. So my questions are: Is there any one who has an EFIS/One G3 with the serial port option that could open their box and either take a picture of each side of the top (approx 3.5"x3.5") board or let me know of any manufacturing numbers on the board? Or, is there anyone with this EFIS that has the serial ports, is not using the extra serial ports (ports 2-5) and would be interested in selling me the serial port board? Or, if the price is right, the entire G3. And for those of you who are not aware, there is someone on the BMA forums that is currently working to get regular chart updates going again (with Greg's blessing). The plan is for them to be even cheaper than when BMA was supplying them since the charts will be generated directly from the feds database, rather than through Jeppeson as a middleman. Not that the difference in cost is really a big deal if charts are available again! Thanks for any help you can offer. Dick Tasker -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Swaney <swaneymj(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Help with an BMA EFIS/One question
Date: Mar 07, 2010
Dick, I have a gold box EFIS/1 that was upgraded with 1 GB flash memory and the Analog 3 mods, but I only had it partially installed in my project when BMA went TU. I also have the autopilot servos and controllers, as well as all of the uncut wiring harnesses for Analog 1-3 and the engine. I even have a bunch os engine sensors. I won't be home for a few days, but could take the pictures later this week. I was just getting ready to advertise this system for sale (as a package) for $2900 OBO. Mark fastrocket76(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: Help with an BMA EFIS/One question
Date: Mar 07, 2010
One of the guys at Dynon tells me they have lots of BMA gold boxes sitting around from their trade-in program. I don't know what they intend to do with them but maybe they could be induced to sell some parts. Of course the purpose of their trade-in program is to get us to switch from BMA to Dynon. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Swaney Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:36 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Help with an BMA EFIS/One question Dick, I have a gold box EFIS/1 that was upgraded with 1 GB flash memory and the Analog 3 mods, but I only had it partially installed in my project when BMA went TU. I also have the autopilot servos and controllers, as well as all of the uncut wiring harnesses for Analog 1-3 and the engine. I even have a bunch os engine sensors. I won't be home for a few days, but could take the pictures later this week. I was just getting ready to advertise this system for sale (as a package) for $2900 OBO. Mark fastrocket76(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 08, 2010
From: HCRV6(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal
Thanks GV. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Vanremog(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, March 5, 2010 1:05:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal Rocketmeister- My catalog shows this part as STD-2217. Aviall probably has it. Good luck -GV In a message dated 3/5/2010 12:44:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes: I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone posted a reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil seal should be replaced at the same time. Does anyone have more information on that, like part number, source, and how? Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ronald vandervort <ronvan(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/05/10
Date: Mar 09, 2010
My plastic wear strip is cracking and breaking up as well on my flaps. When I pull off the pieces a sizable residue of adhesive is left that needs to be removed. Has anyone figured out what works to remove that adhesive? Thanks, Ron Vandervort RV-6 1470 hrs. always hangared too. On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:58 AM, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-03-05&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-03-05&Archive=RV > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 03/05/10: 5 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 11:04 AM - UHMW tape yellowing (Frazier, Vincent A) > 2. 11:35 AM - John Ragozzino ? (Brian Meyette) > 3. 12:43 PM - Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal (HCRV6(at)comcast.net) > 4. 01:07 PM - Re: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal > (Vanremog(at)aol.com) > 5. 01:11 PM - Re: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal > (Vanremog(at)aol.com) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> > Subject: RV-List: UHMW tape yellowing > > > SNIP <<<<< > The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is > yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without > also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember > the brand of paint. > > I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine > but > I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before > attempting > to remove it all. > > The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with > their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for > white UHMW. >>>>>SNIP > > We carry 4" wide 3M paint protection film that is perfect for this > purpose. It's > reasonably priced, removable, and will never yellow. $2.45/foot. > > http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php? > main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=256 > > Once again, it's removable up to at least 5 years later with NO mess. > I use it > on my Rocket around the fairings, flaps, etc. And it will NOT yellow. > Ever. > You'll find many uses for it. Good stuff. > > Vince > www.flyboyaccessories.com > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com> > Subject: RV-List: John Ragozzino ? > > > Hey - is John Ragozzino (RV-9 builder) on this list? I'd like to ask > him a > couple questions. Please email me at > > Bmeyette at gmail dot net > > > Thanks, > Brian > http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > From: HCRV6(at)comcast.net > Subject: RV-List: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal > > I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone > posted a > reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil seal should > be replaced > at the same time. Does anyone have more information on that, like part > number, > source, and how? > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Vanremog(at)aol.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal > > Rocketmeister- > > My catalog shows this part as STD-2217. > > Aviall probably has it. > > Good luck > > -GV > > > In a message dated 3/5/2010 12:44:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes: > > I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone > posted a reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil > seal should > > be replaced at the same time. Does anyone have more information on > that, > like part number, source, and how? > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours > > > (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) > (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Vanremog(at)aol.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming vacuum pump oil seal > > Sac Sky Ranch has the item STD-2217. > > -GV > > > In a message dated 3/5/2010 12:44:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes: > > I'm replacing the vacuum pump on my O-360 A1A and recall that someone > posted a reminder on the list not long ago that the vacuum pump oil > seal should > > be replaced at the same time. Does anyone have more information on > that, > like part number, source, and how? > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 665 hours > > > (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) > (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/05/10
Date: Mar 09, 2010
From: larygagnon(at)aol.com
I've used something called Goof-off in the paint department of Lowes or Home Depot. It's citrus based but test it someplace first to make sure. Turns the adhesive into a gooey mess that can be scraped off with a plas tic squeegee. There is also a 5 inch circular eraser material available from an automotive body shop supply house that is used in a drill and wi ll remove decals and pinstripes as well as the remaining adhesive. Larry Gagnon RV6 N6LG -----Original Message----- From: ronald vandervort <ronvan(at)q.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/05/10 My plastic wear strip is cracking and breaking up as well on my flaps. Wh en I pull off the pieces a sizable residue of adhesive is left that needs to be removed. Has anyone figured out what works to remove that adhesive ? Thanks, Ron Vandervort RV-6 1470 hrs. always hangared too. On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:58 AM, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ======================= ======================== === > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================= ======================== === > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > format ted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?> Style=82701&Vie w=html&Chapter 10-03-05&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?> Style=82701&Vie w=txt&Chapter 10-03-05&Archive=RV > > > ======================= ======================== = > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================= ======================== = > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

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