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This is the first message to the new RV10 List at Matronics!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From:
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Date:
Jul 06, 2002
Subject:
10
Please put me on the rv-10 list. Thank you.
Bob Murphy Poplar Grove ILL. (C77)
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Date:
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Subject:
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From:
"Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
RV-10/11 Oshkosh Update
Date:
Jul 28, 2002
Was anyone at the Oshkosh forum this past Thursday and have any additional
info on the RV-10?
Bret Smith
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 29, 2002
From:
Bob Collins <bcollins747_1999(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: RV7-List: RV-10/11 Oshkosh Update
I didn't get to the forum but I went to the dinner
Saturday night where a similar - if shortened
presentation was made. The most interesting part for
me (and I'm not going to build a 10) is that you'll be
building in modular form. Take the fuselage for
instance. Instead of having some big honkin' fuselage,
you'll build pieces of it, eventually connecting it
all together. Build a piece of it, put aside, build
another piece. Very helpful.
Also the current skin stiffeners willa ctually be
joined ribs, thus eliminating the manufacturing of
these little babies.
BC
--- Bret Smith wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Bret Smith"
>
>
> Was anyone at the Oshkosh forum this past Thursday
> and have any additional
> info on the RV-10?
>
> Bret Smith
>
>
>
> Contributions of
> any other form
>
> latest messages.
> other List members.
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/search
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
"Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net>
Date:
Aug 04, 2002
Subject:
Re: RV-10/11 Oshkosh Update
On 28 Jul 2002, at 11:00, Bret Smith wrote:
> Was anyone at the Oshkosh forum this past Thursday and have any
> additional info on the RV-10?
Goals:
- 200mph cruise at 75% power. Prototype will have IO540 parallel
valve engine.
- 2700 Max gross weight
- 1100 lb useful load
- 1600 lb empty weight
- Flaps 35 degrees max down, -3 degrees (reflex) for optimum cruise
- interior 48" wide at front seat, "RV-6 width" at back seat
- Adjustable front seat (slides). Fixed stick and rudder pedal.
- Removable back seat backs.
- "$30K - ish" for slow build kit. Van gave the impression he's hoping
for low $30K vs high $30K range.
- Traditional RV mains.
- Nose gear will include rubber donut suspension
- Top of fuselage (over cabin area) composite, probably, to
accomodate complex curves
- Standard category (3.8G) strength at 2700 lb.
- Goal is to have the RV-10 at the next OSH (only 50 weeks to go!!!)
******
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
******
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 01, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
Getting Bounced From Matronics Lists...
Dear Listers,
I have two programs I run regularly to purge the various Matronics email
lists of bad email addresses. I referred to these as my Email Weasels and
there is a daily version that is run automatically every night at midnight
and there is a and a monthly version that I run by hand at roughly 30-day
intervals.
The Daily Weasel grinds through the 8 to 10mb of bounced email that is
generated each day looking for obvious things like "user unknown", "host
unknown", and other things that usually mean the user's email address
doesn't exist any longer. The Daily Weasel has been purging 5 to 10 email
addresses each night.
The Monthly Weasel gets more serious about the task and sends a single
message to each list member with specially generated headers and content
information. Any bounces or replies to these messages are considered
errors and the email address is eligible for purging. This program is
particularly useful for "weaseling out" email addresses that are actually
being forwarded to by another email address that is subscribed to a List
and otherwise would not be identifiable. The Monthly Weasel purges roughly
100 nonexistent email addresses each month when it is run.
To check to see if your address has been removed by either of the Email
Weasel programs, you can check the Weasel Status Web Page at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If you find your email address on the Weasel List, but are certain that
everything is working fine now, simply go the Matronics Subscription page
and resubscribe your address. No harm, no foul. The subscription URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
That all having been said, I've noticed that the Daily Weasel may have been
getting a little too aggressive in purging addresses recently and a number
of people have written asking if and why they'd been dropped from the List.
A couple of months ago I rewrote the Daily Weasel program to include a
wider variety of errors and more aggressively purge. One of the new purge
criteria that I added seems to occur a fair amount of the time (Connection
Deferred) even though the address is really okay.
As of today, I've removed the Connection Deferred criteria from the Daily
Weasel Rule set and this should decrease the number of "false positives"
and unnecessary unsubscribed.
Again, if you get unsubscribed by either of the Email Weasel utilities,
simply go to the subscription page and resubscribe:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to keep
everything consistant.
However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
operation? Sounds like it they might...
So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
dralle(at)matronics.com
with a simple:
"Forward"
or
"Don't Forward"
in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
announce the new method.
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
>--------------
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
>
>Gary,
>
>Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
>RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
>two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
>across on the main RV-list.
>
>I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
>RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
>main RV-List.
>
>Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
>Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
>Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
>confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
>understand that they need study the original message to see where it
>originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
>list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
>Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
>
>Kevin
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
>>
>>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
>>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
>>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
>>the ones you want it to show up on.
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
>>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
>>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
>>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
>
>
>--------------
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Chris Sudlow" <sudlow77(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
Date:
Oct 19, 2002
Matt,
You're doing a great job managing this.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
; ;
; ;
Subject: RV10-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
>
> In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
keep
> everything consistant.
>
> However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> operation? Sounds like it they might...
>
> So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
>
> dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> with a simple:
>
> "Forward"
> or
> "Don't Forward"
>
> in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> announce the new method.
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin.
>
>
> >--------------
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> >
> >Gary,
> >
> >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> >across on the main RV-list.
> >
> >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> >main RV-List.
> >
> >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> >>
> >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> >>
> >>Gary
> >>
> >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> >>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> >>
> >>Steve,
> >>
> >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> >
> >
> >--------------
>
>
> --
>
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>
> Benjamin Franklin
> Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Scott! The votes are still trickling in and its a REALLY, REALLY
close race. If you have a preference and haven't yet voted, it so close
that one or two votes could actually make the difference. PLEASE only vote
once, though! To be fair, multiple votes from the same email address will
not be counted.
Matt
At 07:07 AM 10/19/2002 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Sudlow"
>
>Matt,
>
>You're doing a great job managing this.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> >
> >
> > Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> > been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> > a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> > 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> > them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
> >
> > In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
>keep
> > everything consistant.
> >
> > However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> > see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> > operation? Sounds like it they might...
> >
> > So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
> >
> > dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > with a simple:
> >
> > "Forward"
> > or
> > "Don't Forward"
> >
> > in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> > announce the new method.
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
> > >--------------
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >
> > >Gary,
> > >
> > >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> > >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> > >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> > >across on the main RV-list.
> > >
> > >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> > >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> > >main RV-List.
> > >
> > >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> > >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> > >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> > >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> > >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> > >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> > >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> > >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> > >>
> > >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> > >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> > >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> > >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> > >>
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> > >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> > >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> > >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
TColeE(at)aol.com
Date:
Oct 19, 2002
Subject:
Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
forward
Terry E. Cole
________________________________________________________________________________
Hey RV Listers,
Okay, so I really don't mean to drag this out, but unbelievably, we have a
dead heat between "Forward" votes and "Don't Forward" votes! I had no idea
the opinion would run so close!! I've gotten a little over 100 votes so
far and it is literally a 50/50 split to the vote on which way to go. Over
the last week or so, each day I've gotten a couple of votes to Forward,
then a couple of votes to Not Forward - back and forth. With this many
people on both sides of the fence, no matter which way wins, there's gonna
be a lot of disappointed people! And I thought this vote would make it
easy for me to decide...
I'm going to keep the polls open until Sunday afternoon at 5pm pst, and
just go with the method that has the most votes - even if its just 1 or 2
votes. This is just like the Bush/Gore election; I'm down to counting
chad... You guys from Florida get your votes in! :-)
Here's how to vote - follow closely to make it easiest for me to count:
-- To Vote FORWARD --
* This means that you would like to have any messages posted to the
RV-specific lists automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Forward"
-- To Vote DON'T FORWARD --
* This means that you don't want messages posted to the RV-specific lists
automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Don't Forward"
If you care, here's your chance to make a difference! Get your vote in
before Sunday at 5pm pst. I'll announce the winner Sunday night...
Hey - and there's only voting one time, you guys! You know who you are... :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
==============================================================================
Thanks Scott! The votes are still trickling in and its a REALLY, REALLY
close race. If you have a preference and haven't yet voted, it so close
that one or two votes could actually make the difference. PLEASE only vote
once, though! To be fair, multiple votes from the same email address will
not be counted.
Matt
At 07:07 AM 10/19/2002 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Sudlow"
>
>Matt,
>
>You're doing a great job managing this.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> >
> >
> > Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> > been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> > a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> > 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> > them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
> >
> > In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
>keep
> > everything consistant.
> >
> > However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> > see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> > operation? Sounds like it they might...
> >
> > So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
> >
> > dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > with a simple:
> >
> > "Forward"
> > or
> > "Don't Forward"
> >
> > in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> > announce the new method.
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
> > >--------------
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >
> > >Gary,
> > >
> > >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> > >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> > >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> > >across on the main RV-list.
> > >
> > >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> > >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> > >main RV-List.
> > >
> > >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> > >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> > >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> > >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> > >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> > >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> > >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> > >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> > >>
> > >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> > >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> > >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> > >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> > >>
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> > >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> > >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> > >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...) (The Final VOTE!)
Dear RV Listers,
Okay, its after 5pm pst on Sunday and as promised, I've closed the
polls. I've counted the votes and recounted the votes, and even double
checked all of the Chad and the totals keep coming up the same. Are you
ready for this spread? Here is the official vote count:
95 votes: Forward
96 votes: Don't Forward
Unbelievable, I know. The totals ran within 1 to 2 votes of each other the
entire voting period. I couldn't believe it either. How could the split
be so close? Perhaps I should have turned to the Electoral College for
assistance... Or maybe Florida... :-) Much to Gore's delight, the popular
vote really did count!
So, the people have spoken and as of 5:19pm pst I have disabled the auto
forwarding from the RV-specific Lists to the main RV-List. As I mentioned
earlier, I really was on the fence about the right way, so thanks to
everyone for helping with the decision!
Isn't democracy great!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Hey RV Listers,
Okay, so I really don't mean to drag this out, but unbelievably, we have a
dead heat between "Forward" votes and "Don't Forward" votes! I had no idea
the opinion would run so close!! I've gotten a little over 100 votes so
far and it is literally a 50/50 split to the vote on which way to go. Over
the last week or so, each day I've gotten a couple of votes to Forward,
then a couple of votes to Not Forward - back and forth. With this many
people on both sides of the fence, no matter which way wins, there's gonna
be a lot of disappointed people! And I thought this vote would make it
easy for me to decide...
I'm going to keep the polls open until Sunday afternoon at 5pm pst, and
just go with the method that has the most votes - even if its just 1 or 2
votes. This is just like the Bush/Gore election; I'm down to counting
chad... You guys from Florida get your votes in! :-)
Here's how to vote - follow closely to make it easiest for me to count:
-- To Vote FORWARD --
* This means that you would like to have any messages posted to the
RV-specific lists automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Forward"
-- To Vote DON'T FORWARD --
* This means that you don't want messages posted to the RV-specific lists
automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Don't Forward"
If you care, here's your chance to make a difference! Get your vote in
before Sunday at 5pm pst. I'll announce the winner Sunday night...
Hey - and there's only voting one time, you guys! You know who you are... :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
==============================================================================
Thanks Scott! The votes are still trickling in and its a REALLY, REALLY
close race. If you have a preference and haven't yet voted, it so close
that one or two votes could actually make the difference. PLEASE only vote
once, though! To be fair, multiple votes from the same email address will
not be counted.
Matt
At 07:07 AM 10/19/2002 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Sudlow"
>
>Matt,
>
>You're doing a great job managing this.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> >
> >
> > Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> > been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> > a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> > 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> > them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
> >
> > In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
>keep
> > everything consistant.
> >
> > However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> > see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> > operation? Sounds like it they might...
> >
> > So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
> >
> > dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > with a simple:
> >
> > "Forward"
> > or
> > "Don't Forward"
> >
> > in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> > announce the new method.
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
> > >--------------
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >
> > >Gary,
> > >
> > >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> > >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> > >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> > >across on the main RV-list.
> > >
> > >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> > >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> > >main RV-List.
> > >
> > >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> > >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> > >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> > >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> > >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> > >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> > >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> > >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> > >>
> > >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> > >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> > >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> > >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> > >>
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> > >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> > >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> > >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 01, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
2002 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show much traffic the
Lists generated last year alone:
11/01/2001 - 10/31/2002
Web server hits: 8,700,000 (727,000/mo)
Incoming Email Posts: 51,259 (4,271/mo) *
* This number is multiplied by the total number of email addresses
subscribed to the given List. The actual number of email message processed
is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
The new Internet provider, Speakeasy, has been providing extremely fast and
reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a
refreshing change from previous providers!
There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year
including the new List Browse Feature ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular. Many people
have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability of
current week's messages. The 184 new Photoshares (
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to
its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the
latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel
2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
What does the future hold? Well, something pretty exciting I'm
hoping... I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available software
package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email List
service akin to what those other guys use. The difference will be that
there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics
system!! The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists
activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want. My hope is
to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the
new software system over the top. Some of the system will be replaced
(like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only
BETTER! As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this and
have yet to select a final product. Suffice to say some facelifts are
definitely on the way!
Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a
strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and
associated List websites. I have been approached by a number of vendors
recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. However, my
commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment
prevails! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List
Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and
high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and
camaraderie.
I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List Fund
Raiser once a year during November. During this time, I ask List members
to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of the
Lists over the upcoming year. Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50 range
are common. This year I have completely revamped the Contribution website,
and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in
addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options. Its easier
and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!! For those who are
accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate the
ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List
Contribution.
The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic Gift
offers to support the List Fund Raiser! Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a
FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution
during the Fund Raiser! This is a great bag and something you'll surely
what to get your hands on. Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE
Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution! This is a
complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by
Matronics. The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List. In
the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way
back to 1990! That's about 133Mb alone! Also included on the CD is a copy
of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled
search-index for each archive on the CD.
Better yet?! You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a
Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined retail
price on the two items!!! How can you go wrong? Get some great stuff AND
support your Lists at the same time!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR support!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the
List this year. Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of the
experience here.
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional
information on the various methods of payment.
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this
year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 05, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
I've added a new feature to the Digest format of the Lists tonight. At the
top of each digest you will find a new Index Listing of all of the messages
found within that Digest including the Message Number, Subject, Poster, and
Time of Day posted.
I've also added a "Message Number" header to each message within the Digest
so that its easy to find 'just the message' you were looking for!
Sorry for the double posting of the digests tonight - the first time I
didn't quite have the code right and a few "bogus" entries made it into the
Index. I went ahead and reposted the Digest so that everyone could see how
the Index-to-Message mapping really worked.
Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but
also supplying a few samples on how it might look. Gary, I think you'll be
quite pleased with the format!
Don't forget that were right in the middle of this year's List Fund Raiser
and if you haven't already made your Contribution, you own it to yourself
to check out the great free Gifts that are available this year with your
qualifying Contribution.
The Lists are operated completely though the support of it members, and so
its up to YOU to get that credit card out and make that $20, $30, or $50
show of support for the continued operation of the Lists.
Won't you take a couple of minutes and make a quick Contribution on the all
new, streamlined List Support web site? I've also added a
Payment-through-PayPal option this year, and this is proving a very popular
method of payment. Don't forget to check out the great free gifts you can
get with a qualifying Contribution this year. I can't believe how popular
they've been this year! Hurry and get your's today and support the Lists
at the same time!
Here's the SSL Secure URL for making your Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 07, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying...
Dear Listers,
First, I'd like say *thank you* to everyone that's already made a
Contribution to this year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you! If you haven't
already made a Contribution, won't you take a movement and show your
support for these valuable services? Since there's no advertising or other
forms of direct commercialism on the forums to support the Lists, its soley
YOUR GENEROSITY that keeps them running!!
Won't please take a minute and make a Contribution via the SSL secure web
site via Credit Card, Paypal, or personal check. Here's the URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
This year, I've been getting some *really* nice comments from Contributors
and I thought I'd pass along a few of them below. What does the List mean
to *you*?
Thank you for your support!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________ What your fellow Listers are saying... _________________
...great service!!
Greg B.
They have been a great assistance to me in building my RV-8.
Kevin H.
...very much appreciated.
Donald M.
Great site...
Angus F.
...invaluable resource.
Ronald C
[The List] has played a big part in continuing my project at
those times when I got stuck for some reason.
Jeff D.
Although I am only a reader, I find the list very helpful.
Oswaldo F.
The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much...
Kenyon B.
The list is part of my life.
Ron C.
The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC.
Jeff D.
...unbelievably useful.
Dan O.
...dependable and valued source of builder information.
Jerry C.
My daily lifeline!
Owen B.
...frequently get questions answered on the List.
Billy W.
Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists.
Rick R.
...great source of information and motivation.
Jef V.
Super resource!
David P.
The information presented is very helpful to the building process.
James B.
Wonderful Service!
Wendell D.
The lists are great!
F. Robert M.
...very valuable to this builder.
William C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 11, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
List Fund Raiser Continues...
Marie Murillo
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email
List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a lot
of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a
sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this is
an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very
small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot
stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags
could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email
List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely
supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it - no
ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of course!
Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only takes
a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can use
either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation.
The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made
Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 14, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
Said What...?
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've
included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to
everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if the
Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more...
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List
services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that
enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the
Matronics Lists.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
=====================================================================
=================== What Listers Are Saying - II ====================
=====================================================================
I check this List 4 to 5 times a day...
-Bruce B.
These are without a doubt among the best managed
Lists to which I subscribe.
-Terry W.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful service.
-Roy W.
...fine service!
-Christopher A.
Best list on the Internet!
-Geroge A.
Great list with a host of features.
-David A.
Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how
much this list means to me and others.
-Curtis H.
As always... you've got a real cool & very useful
service going...
-Chuck R.
I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had
getting this project airborne without this list!
-Grant C.
...enjoy everyone's input.
-Doug P.
I read the [the List] every day...
-Ronald S.
Whenever I feel like not building on my day
off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me
pumped and ready to hit it!
-Tom E.
The Digest Message subject list is an excellent
addition.
-Kevin S.
Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source
for building support and advice, but there's another
benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and
keep for years and years!
-Fred H.
What a great forum to exchange ideas and info.
-Terry L.
The List is my daily RV fix.
-Neil H.
I always received comments and suggestions when
I requested them.
-Thomas G.
Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily
must!
-Robert C.
Thanks for your gift - these web sites!
-Tom P.
...great info.
-Richard W.
The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success...
-Mark G.
I've been reading the postings for a month now and
decided to take the plunge as a result of the
helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed.
-Tim P.
...invaluable service.
-Ford F.
I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix".
-John S.
Its worth every penny of my contribution.
-Paul M.
Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better.
-Jim H.
A valuable list which has certainly helped me.
-Andrew G.
...the List helps so many.
-Don J.
I really appreciate the site and find it interesting
to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft.
-Larry M.
This is a great recreation for me.
-Larry B.
[The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic
resource for information.
-Terry F.
Lists are a great resource!
-Daniel S.
...great service and professional administration of
the Lists.
-Chris R.
I really appreciate the List.
-Edward O.
Worth every penny, and then some!
-Kenyon B.
...great service.
-Ralph H.
Your unselfish contribution to the experimental
aircraft movement is very much appreciated!
-Alex M.
Great help on the Aeroelectric list.
-Bruce B.
It helps on a daily basis.
-Tim G.
Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us!
-Michel T.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 16, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
LOC Coming Soon...
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's
List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that so
generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these Lists.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 19, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
[PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year?
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial
equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or
reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming
feature in the next week or so.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------------------------------
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 22, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
List Value?
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 23, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status...
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 25, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
All New List FAQs!
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 25, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
WLAS
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Im7shannon(at)aol.com
Date:
Nov 26, 2002
Subject:
new to 10 list
Hello out there 10 list, looking at the archives not much happening in here
yet, I was just poking around in Vans website, looks like they are making
good progress on the prototype, that composite roof and gullwing door setup
looks like it will be fun to build. I am looking forward to start putting one
of these together, I was just curious how many of you guys are going to jump
right in as soon as they are available.
Kevin Shannon
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com>
Subject:
Re: jump right in?
Date:
Nov 26, 2002
I've got mixed feelings on that. Yes, I want one yesterday. First for the
airplane itself, and also cause I'm getting really bored sitting in front of
the tube, and I'm looking forward to another project.
On the negative side, while I completely trust Vans intentions to put out a
top notch kit, and not to do so until they feel that it is REALLY ready;
this is a totally new airplane and it is going to take some time to work
things out. There will inevitably be design choices within Vans that swing
from one direction to the other in the early months. In fact, didn't this
exact thing happen with the -9 horizontal stabilizer. I think I recall the
original HS to be a tapered design like the -6s and -8s, and then a few
months into production, they switched to the larger untapered HS.
But then, on the other hand, I'm hardly the world's fastest builder, Even
if my kit is #1, there will surely be lots and lots of flying -10s before
mine even thinks of moving to the airport. Might as well just start on the
inexpensive tail group and hope that by the time I'm ready for the wings and
fuselage, there is enough history to freeze the design.
decisions - decisions. We'll just have to see whats happening when the "big
day"comes.
Andy
I was just curious how many of you guys are going to jump
> right in as soon as they are available.
> Kevin Shannon
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"dean van winkle" <dvanwinkle(at)royell.net>
Subject:
jump right in?
Date:
Nov 26, 2002
Andy
Your recollection of the horizontal tail change on the RV-9A is only partially
correct. The change was made and tested on N96VA, the 118 HP prototype aircraft,
before kits ever went into production. I believe that I can safely say that
Van's Factory RV-9A, N129RV, is totally aerodynamically representative of all
RV-9A kit starts ( over 600 to date ). I would be extremely surprised if Van
delivered kits for the RV-10 or any other future model before he is satisfied
with the aircraft both structurally and aerodynamically.
Dean Van Winkle
RV-9A
90095
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 26, 2002
From:
Steven Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com>
Subject:
Re: jump right in?
My RV-7 empennage kit is number 362 and I received a letter that they
are going to replace my rudder with an RV-9 rudder (larger). This is to
give better spin recovery. THey are requesting the original rudder to
be returned to them. I don't know how many empennage kits were shipped
before the change but there are over 1,000 out there now.
Unlike most all other kit suppliers, Van's seems to get it right and
when there are problems they go out of their way to make it right with
their customers. Just look at all of the problems Lycoming is having
with their 300 hp. engines. I think you have a greater chance of having
problems with the engine in your RV-10 than you do with the plane.
My friend and I are each building our own RV-7s and I wouldn't be
surprised if we were to build a jointly owned RV-10 after our -7s are
flying. Don't want to give up the fun of flying the -7 but a four place
for trips would be nice. I can see a lot of Van's Air Force wings
building "club" airplanes.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7 (70362) - sealing the first fuel tank
N14SE reserved
dean van winkle wrote:
>
> Andy
>
> Your recollection of the horizontal tail change on the RV-9A is only partially
correct. The change was made and tested on N96VA, the 118 HP prototype aircraft,
before kits ever went into production. I believe that I can safely say that
Van's Factory RV-9A, N129RV, is totally aerodynamically representative of
all RV-9A kit starts ( over 600 to date ). I would be extremely surprised if
Van delivered kits for the RV-10 or any other future model before he is satisfied
with the aircraft both structurally and aerodynamically.
>
> Dean Van Winkle
> RV-9A
> 90095
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"JASON W SHEPHERD" <vmishep(at)prodigy.net>
Subject:
Re: jump right in?
Date:
Nov 26, 2002
I've seen several of these post about the 10 as if it were available to
start building but I see no such thing on the website. Am I missing
something?
Thanks,
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "dean van winkle" <dvanwinkle(at)royell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: jump right in?
>
> Andy
>
> Your recollection of the horizontal tail change on the RV-9A is only
partially correct. The change was made and tested on N96VA, the 118 HP
prototype aircraft, before kits ever went into production. I believe that I
can safely say that Van's Factory RV-9A, N129RV, is totally aerodynamically
representative of all RV-9A kit starts ( over 600 to date ). I would be
extremely surprised if Van delivered kits for the RV-10 or any other future
model before he is satisfied with the aircraft both structurally and
aerodynamically.
>
> Dean Van Winkle
> RV-9A
> 90095
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 28, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 28, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
[PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?"
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 30, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
List Report...
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 30, 2002
From:
Chris <chrisw3(at)cox.net>
RV-list , RV10 List ,
RV10
Subject:
Alternative Engine Questions
Ok I know the basics about how engines work and what the difference
between 2 and 4 stroke, gas and diesel, Fuel injection and Carburetors
but that is about it. Lately there is a lot of talk about "alternative"
engines. One of the things everyone seems to hit on, is that
traditional aviation engines are an old design and that newer engines in
cars are more "high tech". As I see it most of the high tech with the
ECU and sensors is as much for pollution control as anything else. I
personally couldn't care less about emissions and if those who are in
power really cared, I would be able to fill my car with Propane, Natural
Gas, Methanol, and or Hydrogen at the corner gas station, but back to
the topic. Also there is a lot in car engines to allow them to run
efficiently at low power settings which we don't really care about in
airplanes. My question is this. Other than Electronic Ignition (which
is easy enough to put on a more traditional aircraft engine) what is so
high tech about car engines that has any application in an airplane?
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206 (home)
chrisw(at)programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright(at)adelphia.net>
"RV10 List" , "RV10"
Subject:
Re: RV-List: Alternative Engine Questions
Date:
Nov 30, 2002
Modern auto engines manage their own mixture and timing. Essentially, they
have "one lever power control", which makes operating them much less subject
to operator error. In addition, you can get variable valve timing, variable
intake runner length, and 4 valves per cylinder ( even 5 on some brands) on
a number of cars. Add to that tighter tolerances and better (more modern)
materials, gaskets, and sealants, and you have a much more refined package.
Beyond that, they have automatic fuel enrichment for starting, which avoids
one of the difficulties with aircraft engines. I don't remember the last
time I wondered if my properly maintained auto was going to crank on a cold
morning. With the airplane, it is always a concern.
All that said, I believe Lycomings and Continentals are preferred in
airplanes, despite their rough edges.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <chrisw3(at)cox.net>
; "RV10 List" ; "RV10"
Subject: RV-List: Alternative Engine Questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris
>
> Ok I know the basics about how engines work and what the difference
> between 2 and 4 stroke, gas and diesel, Fuel injection and Carburetors
> but that is about it. Lately there is a lot of talk about "alternative"
> engines. One of the things everyone seems to hit on, is that
> traditional aviation engines are an old design and that newer engines in
> cars are more "high tech". As I see it most of the high tech with the
> ECU and sensors is as much for pollution control as anything else. I
> personally couldn't care less about emissions and if those who are in
> power really cared, I would be able to fill my car with Propane, Natural
> Gas, Methanol, and or Hydrogen at the corner gas station, but back to
> the topic. Also there is a lot in car engines to allow them to run
> efficiently at low power settings which we don't really care about in
> airplanes. My question is this. Other than Electronic Ignition (which
> is easy enough to put on a more traditional aircraft engine) what is so
> high tech about car engines that has any application in an airplane?
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206 (home)
> chrisw(at)programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 30, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
All New List Digest Format!!
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Dec 01, 2002
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
New, NEW List Digest Format...
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jan 02, 2003
Subject:
[ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Fred Stucklen
Subject: RV-6A IFR Inst Panel & Wiring
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/wstucklen1@cox.net.01.02.2003/index.html
--------------------------------------------
o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE
Share your files and photos with other List members simply by
emailing the files to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text
Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos.
o Main Photo Share Index:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jan 25, 2003
Subject:
[ Ollie Washburn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ollie Washburn
Subject: RV Tow Bars...
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/ollie-6a@prodigy.net.01.25.2003/index.html
--------------------------------------------
o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE
Share your files and photos with other List members simply by
emailing the files to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text
Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos.
o Main Photo Share Index:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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test
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Lewis [mailto:timrv6a(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10/11 Oshkosh Update
On 28 Jul 2002, at 11:00, Bret Smith wrote:
> Was anyone at the Oshkosh forum this past Thursday and have any
> additional info on the RV-10?
Goals:
- 200mph cruise at 75% power. Prototype will have IO540 parallel
valve engine.
- 2700 Max gross weight
- 1100 lb useful load
- 1600 lb empty weight
- Flaps 35 degrees max down, -3 degrees (reflex) for optimum cruise
- interior 48" wide at front seat, "RV-6 width" at back seat
- Adjustable front seat (slides). Fixed stick and rudder pedal.
- Removable back seat backs.
- "$30K - ish" for slow build kit. Van gave the impression he's hoping
for low $30K vs high $30K range.
- Traditional RV mains.
- Nose gear will include rubber donut suspension
- Top of fuselage (over cabin area) composite, probably, to
accomodate complex curves
- Standard category (3.8G) strength at 2700 lb.
- Goal is to have the RV-10 at the next OSH (only 50 weeks to go!!!)
******
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
******
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Subject:
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Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
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Subject:
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Dear Listers,
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Subject:
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Really!
There was a lot of talk on the rv-list, but nothing here!
But now that the subject has been opened, it's GREAT!!!!!!
Can't wait until mine!
Rick Pellicciotti wrote:
>
> I'm surprised that there are not any postings after the news of the
> RV-10 first flight!
>
> Rick Pellicciotti, Belle Aire Tours, Inc.
> http://www.belleairetours.com
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Well hell, that didn't work!
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry
I posted Jerry's photos on the Western Canada Wing web site.
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Date:
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You have to join the group on Yahoo, before you can see the photos.
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RV10-List: [Fwd: Re: RV-List: RV-10 Pix]
Well hell, that didn't work!
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry
I posted Jerry's photos on the Western Canada Wing web site.
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Subject:
[Fwd: The best new thing I saw at OSH...]
I just saw this on rec.aviation.piloting and thought everyone here might
be interested
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: The best new thing I saw at OSH...
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:16:12 -0500
From: "Dan Luke" <c172rg(at)bellSPAMsouth.net>
...was Van's new, four-place RV-10. They had a cockpit mockup outside
the
tent for the tirekickers to sit in. The roominess is truly impressive,
especially the rear seats which hold two six-footers in comfort. Van is
projecting an 1100 lb. useful load for the airplane if you build it
light.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10spe.htm
The formal introduction of the airplane was jammed on Wednesday. When
the
crowd was asked how many had already ordered empennage/rear fuse. kits,
a
dozen hands went up. When we were asked how many were thinking about
ordering one, a hundred hands went up (mine included). Van was smiling.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
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From:
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Subject:
Fw: RV-10 Questions
Date:
Aug 11, 2003
I thought I'd pass on the e-mail I sent to Vans this morning. I welcome any thoughts
on the topics listed.
Pete
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Subject:
Empennage Ship Date
Date:
Sep 10, 2003
Ok all you "10" builders - I talked to Van's Tuesday around noonish and here's
the latest:
They will be mailing out an information packet later this week or early next.
The first 40 tail
kits will be ready to go around the 22nd of this month. At this point, they're
planning on filling
40 kits per month until the initial order (of a bit over a 100 kits) is taken care
of.
Bruce
#18
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From:
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Subject:
Response from Van's Ken Krueger
Date:
Sep 10, 2003
On 11 Aug 03, at 11:06, Noodles wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I had a great Oshkosh.....please give my best to Tom; and especially to Cindy,
who took extra time with my wife talking about being married to an 'airplane
bum'. Her thoughts were most helpful in helping my wife to 'allow' me to order
a tail kit. Oh yes, and the real clincher came from an RV-
8 Builder who pointed out that she would be able take out the back seat and put
2 golf bags and luggage in the 10. That sold her for sure!
>
Pete,
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you...
I will quickly answer your questions without repeating them, so you may need
to refer back to your original message to make sense of my
answers.
Before I order the tail kit, I have several questions:
1) I plan to haul my kids on almost every flight.....
1A) I need back seat cooling big time! Will the fiberglass roof shell allow
for the addition of a cooling duct with an external scoop similar to on a Bonanza?
Would there be an engineering reason that this could not be done...i.e. too
big a drag penalty? I already have a scoop design with a drain tube through
the lower fuselage in mind. If you have thoughts, I'd love to discuss it.....better
yet, I'd love for you to
DESIGN it! How could it be fastened to the roof?
1A) Yes, it's okay. You WILL (!) incur a drag penalty, so the trick will be
to minimize it. The kit will provide ventilation for the rear seat occupants.
1B) If roof duct is not practical, where could additional vents be place for the
back seat?
1B) Other than the roof, there are few practical alternatives.
1C) Could such a duct also support a drop down DVD screen, similar to my mini-van?
Do you think there is room? Would the Roof shell support the weight?
1C) Properly designed, such a duct could support the weight. The roof
structure is designed to withstand "rollover" loads, so the weight of an
entertainment screen would presumable be no problem...the devil is in
the details however and whatever is installed needs to be properly
designed.
1D) Also, I'd like to put reading lights there as well. Do you foresee any issues
with getting wiring to the roof area?
1D) Reasonable wiring runs in the roof will be no problem. You are on
your own as to design and placement. You may not penetrate the face
sheets of the composite roof inner skin with wire runs.
1E) Since I will be hauling children on a regular basis, would it be possible to
have the rear seat back recline a bit?
1E) In a practical sense, no. You are on your own to add weight,
complexity, and cost to achieve whatever rear seat recline mechanism
you feel is worth the trade-offs.
2) We live in Iowa. In addition to cooling, we'll need back seat heat. It has been
my experience that back seat passengers are always cold.
2A) Is there enough room in the channel between the seats to carry a scat tube
for heat....or
is there a way to place an electric heater for back seat use. A removable one would
be ideal, so I could remove the weight penalty during the summer months.
2) We have already provided for ducting heat to the rear seats.
3) Several builders have made long baggage areas into the tail cone to haul ski's,
fishing rods,etc. I love the idea, but am worried about the aft CG calculations.
3A) I realize this is not part of the design, but I don't want to build something
without factory support. Is this an option that you could see offering in the
future?
3B) Do you have any thoughts on the subject?
3) I doubt that we will be offering this as part of the design because
while everybody says they want such an option, few actually install it,
and fewer still use it. Again, you are on your own to add weight, complexity,
and cost to achieve whatever tailcone baggage tube you
feel is worth the trade-offs.
I realize that I am trying to fit an awful lot into the plane...and weight for
extra goodies will
be a factor.....but the more I build this for 'family", the more willing they will
be to "get in a
and GO!".
I appreciate your thoughts? Perhaps other builders have the same questions...and
discussions lik
e these could be put in the next RVator! I'd love to hear what others have to say
on this subject!
The maximum gross weight of the RV-10 is 2700 lb. PERIOD!!! Every single ounce
of "extras" that you add to the empty weight will deduct not only from performance
but also from the amount of people, fuel, and baggage that you can carry
without exceeding 2700 lb. Please, please
don't give in to the temptation to operate your RV-10 outside of our weight and
CG recommendations. You are asking for our
recommendations about all the extras you are considering therefore I believe
that you value our inputs...please show that you indeed value our
inputs by adhering to our gross weight, CG, and engine output recommendations.
My best advice to you and others is to simply build
the aircraft as designed and don't try to make the RV-10 into something that
it isn't.
Thanks for your interest in the RV-10! So long for now.
Ken Krueger, Engineer
Van's Aircraft
Thanks! Expect my tail kit order in the next 2 weeks!
Pete James
Update: Kit #100, N102PJ Reserved, RV10Pete(at)mchsi.com
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Subject:
RE: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
Date:
Sep 11, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Does anyone have information on spoilers that can be installed in an RV-10? I
saw an article on a Mooney some time back that had them installed.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: BBreckenridge(at)att.net [mailto:BBreckenridge(at)att.net]
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge(at)att.net
Ok all you "10" builders - I talked to Van's Tuesday around noonish and here's
the latest:
They will be mailing out an information packet later this week or early next.
The first 40 tail
kits will be ready to go around the 22nd of this month. At this point, they're
planning on filling
40 kits per month until the initial order (of a bit over a 100 kits) is taken care
of.
Bruce
#18
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
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Subject:
Re: RE: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
Date:
Sep 11, 2003
The de-facto setup for Mooneys is pretty much the Precise Flight speedbrake
system:
http://www.preciseflight.com/sb.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RV10-List: RE: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
>
> Does anyone have information on spoilers that can be installed in an
RV-10? I saw an article on a Mooney some time back that had them installed.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BBreckenridge(at)att.net [mailto:BBreckenridge(at)att.net]
> To: RV-List(at)matronics.com; RV10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge(at)att.net
>
> Ok all you "10" builders - I talked to Van's Tuesday around noonish and
here's the latest:
> They will be mailing out an information packet later this week or early
next. The first 40 tail
> kits will be ready to go around the 22nd of this month. At this point,
they're planning on filling
> 40 kits per month until the initial order (of a bit over a 100 kits) is
taken care of.
>
> Bruce
> #18
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RE: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
Date:
Sep 11, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
I noticed they have speed brakes for, "LANCAIR, GLASAIR, CIRRUS, AND OTHERS".
I'll contact them wrt the RV-10.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Checkoway [mailto:dan(at)rvproject.com]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
The de-facto setup for Mooneys is pretty much the Precise Flight speedbrake
system:
http://www.preciseflight.com/sb.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RV10-List: RE: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
>
> Does anyone have information on spoilers that can be installed in an
RV-10? I saw an article on a Mooney some time back that had them installed.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BBreckenridge(at)att.net [mailto:BBreckenridge(at)att.net]
> To: RV-List(at)matronics.com; RV10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Empennage Ship Date
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge(at)att.net
>
> Ok all you "10" builders - I talked to Van's Tuesday around noonish and
here's the latest:
> They will be mailing out an information packet later this week or early
next. The first 40 tail
> kits will be ready to go around the 22nd of this month. At this point,
they're planning on filling
> 40 kits per month until the initial order (of a bit over a 100 kits) is
taken care of.
>
> Bruce
> #18
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
ICCLTD(at)aol.com
Date:
Sep 12, 2003
Subject:
tailwheel
Any chance the RV-10 will be offered with a tailwheel? I know Van's web site
says no, but can it be modified to accept one? Why and why not?
Thanks,
Mark Mayes
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 13, 2003
Subject:
[ Pat Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Pat Long
Subject: Cracks in Wood Prop Hub Bore
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html
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Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 13, 2003
Subject:
[ John McMahon ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: John McMahon
Subject: Plenum
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rv6@earthlink.net.09.13.2003/index.html
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Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date:
Sep 15, 2003
Subject:
New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics...
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Tripp Myrick" <tmyrick(at)mchsi.com>
Subject:
RV-10 engines
Date:
Sep 17, 2003
I am trying to help an RV friend sell two new RV-10 Lycoming engines.
IO-540-T4B5 260 HP
with alternator, starter, magnetos and injector pump.
Brand new in box with all paperwork, logbooks and Factory Warranty
$33,900 outright
Contact me off-list at :
tmyrick(at)mchsi.com or call
706-660-8082
Thanks,
Tripp Myrick RV-8 (sold)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
RiteAngle3(at)aol.com
Date:
Sep 19, 2003
Subject:
% RiteAngle AOA owners
Hello RV aircraft builders. I know I have a few customers out there in your
ranks. If you are building an aircraft or flying your aircraft with the
RiteAngle AOA system I would appreciate personal photos of installation and
comments, positive or negative sent to me off list. Please state model of aircraft,
hours flown with RiteAngle AOA system and any suggestions.
Those who have questions re AOA please also contact me off list. I don't
want to use the list unless questions are asked that would apply to all.
address for contact: riteangle3(at)aol.com
There are several hundred RiteAngle systems out there and many owners have
changed e-mail addresses.
Thanks,
Elbie
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know
If not let me know!
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall
President
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
Phone & Fax 360-260-0772
www.RiteAngle.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 20, 2003
Subject:
[ Ken Brooks ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ken Brooks
Subject: Remote Magnetometer Shelf and CPU Mount for Blue Mountain Avionics
EFIS-One in RV-8
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/kenbrooks@charter.com.09.20.2003/index.html
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Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 21, 2003
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
[Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 27, 2003
Subject:
[ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Henry Hore <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: Corrosion Inside Fuel Tank Cap
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 28, 2003
Subject:
[ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Henry Hore <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: Rivet-gun double off-set holder for one hand operation.
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-------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison(at)dccnet.com>
Subject:
RV10 vs CH640?
Date:
Oct 03, 2003
Hi,
I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for some
time now. We have just moved to Vancouver (Canada) from the United Kingdom
where the building of 4 seat kits is very much more restricted. The RV 10
looks a great design, but being a fairly low time pilot (100 hours) I
wondered whether such a high performance aircraft might be a bit of the
challenge for my ability, and something like the Zenith CH640 be more
appropriate, and I must admit I haven't looked into the insurance costs yet!
Most of my time so far has been spent in low wing designs, mainly the Socata
TB10 and some in the new Diamond Star DA40.
I also wondered what's the grass field performance would be like for this
RV, as I understand that the steel landing gear on other RVs can be rather
unforgiving from ro atugh fields?
Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for touring
for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage kit, but I
guess we need to look at all the options before committing ourselves to a
major expenditure.
Regards
Dr Bernie Garrett
Vancouver, BC
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
Hi,I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit
for
some time now. We have just moved to Vancouver (Canada) from the United
Kingdom
where the building of 4 seat kits is very much more restricted. The RV
10 looks
a great design, but being a fairly low time pilot (100 hours) I wondered
whether such a high performance aircraft might be a bit of the challenge
for my
ability, and something like the Zenith CH640 be more appropriate, and I
must
admit I haven't looked into the insurance costs yet! Most of my time so
far has
been spent in low wing designs, mainly the Socata TB10 and some in the
new
Diamond Star DA40.I also wondered what's the grass field performance would be like
for
this RV, as I understand that the steel landing gear on other RVs
can be
rather unforgiving from ro atugh
fields?Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for
touring for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9)
had any
feedback is welcome! We
are keen
to send off for the empennage kit, but I guess we need to look at all
the
options before committing ourselves to a major
expenditure.
RegardsDr Bernie
GarrettVancouver, BC
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
RiteAngle3(at)aol.com
Date:
Oct 04, 2003
Subject:
Re: RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/03/03
Bernie and Alison Garrett
Hi I live in Vancouver USA, and I'm only about 45 miles from Vans plant in
Aurora, OR. It would be a nice drive straight down I-5 if you had a couple days
off to go see the plant and discuss the plane with the people who make it.
Van runs a first class operation, and I personally don't think you can go wrong
if looking for a fast metal 4 place airplane. I've flown several of Vans
designs and they all fly excellent. As with any new aircraft, get a good
checkout, which Van has a person who does, and there are lots of Vans aircraft
here in
the NW US & W Canada.
Sincerely,
Elbie
EM aviation, LLC
WWW.riteangle.com
Bernie and Alison Garrett
Hi I live in Vancouver USA, and I'm only about 45 miles from Vans plant in Aurora,
OR. It would be a nice drive straight down I-5 if you had a couple days off
to go see the plant and discuss the plane with the people who make it. Van runs
a first class operation, and I personally don't think you can go wrong if
looking for a fast metal 4 place airplane. I've flown several of Vans designs
and they all fly excellent. As with any new aircraft, get a good checkout, which
Van has a person who does, and there are lots of Vans aircraft here in the
NW US W Canada.
Sincerely,
Elbie
EM aviation, LLC
WWW.riteangle.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Oct 13, 2003
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
Re: New Kit
Congrats, Gary!
Did you get the whole kit including the finishing kit? Slow build or quick
build?
Its amazing how fast Van's can get a new kit out these days...
Matt
At 07:34 AM 10/13/2003 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Received my RX-10 kit Friday. Most intimidating thing I've ever
>seen. Anybody want to buy a kit and tools (just kidding).
>
>Gary Jacobs
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne(at)mchsi.com>
Subject:
Re: New Kit
Date:
Oct 13, 2003
I understand that all they're sending out so far are the tail kits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Kit
>
> Congrats, Gary!
>
> Did you get the whole kit including the finishing kit? Slow build or
quick
> build?
>
> Its amazing how fast Van's can get a new kit out these days...
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:34 AM 10/13/2003 Monday, you wrote:
> >
> >Received my RX-10 kit Friday. Most intimidating thing I've ever
> >seen. Anybody want to buy a kit and tools (just kidding).
> >
> >Gary Jacobs
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
New Kit
Date:
Oct 13, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Correct, they expect to ship the wings early December. No date yet for the fuselage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Kit
I understand that all they're sending out so far are the tail kits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Kit
>
> Congrats, Gary!
>
> Did you get the whole kit including the finishing kit? Slow build or
quick
> build?
>
> Its amazing how fast Van's can get a new kit out these days...
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:34 AM 10/13/2003 Monday, you wrote:
> >
> >Received my RX-10 kit Friday. Most intimidating thing I've ever
> >seen. Anybody want to buy a kit and tools (just kidding).
> >
> >Gary Jacobs
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
RiteAngle3(at)aol.com
Date:
Oct 15, 2003
Subject:
Re: RV10-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/03
In a message dated 10/14/03 12:00:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv10-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
>
> I understand that all they're sending out so far are the tail kits.
>
>
For a few bucks I'll go bug them for you, I only live about 50 miles from
Aurora :-)
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation www.riteangle.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Oct 16, 2003
From:
Dave Smith <dave_smith(at)icehouse.net>
Subject:
Anybody else building a -10 in the Spokane, WA area?
I'm hoping it'll show up around the end of the month, and was wondering
if there's anybody else in the vicinity getting started as well.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Oct 23, 2003
From:
"Dennis and Stephanie Smith" <famflier(at)centurytel.net>
Subject:
Ford Javelin 230 HP V6 for RV or??
Subject: Ford Javelin 230 HP V6 for RV or??
Hello Friends
I am new to the RV family. Getting ready to build a RV-10. I recently sold
a Glasair project in order to do the RV. In doing so I now have a 230 HP
Ford Javelin V6 with 2:1 reduction that I need to sell. It just won't work
for the -10, but it could work well for a RV-6,-7,or -8. or several other
projects as well. We have a new -6A with a Chevy V6 on our airport just
being readied to fly for the first time!
If anyone out there would be interested in this enigne for their RV, I am
asking $5000 or best offer. It was actually mounted on a Christavia Mk IV,
so I have a mount for that application. It has only 2 hours run time on it,
and comes with everything ready to bolt on and run (except RV mount and
prop). It is a beautiful engine with excellent workmanship. I wish I could
use it myself.
Where else can you get 230 HP for $5K?
Any interest let me know.
I pick up my -10 empennage kit tomorrow and wing kit in a couple of months.
Will let you guys know how it goes.
Thanks
Dennis S
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Oct 31, 2003
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!!
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 01, 2003
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Dear RV-x Listers,
I was chatting with a nice fellow on the new Matronics RV6-List Chatroom
yesterday ( http://www.matronics.com/chat ), and he ask me an interesting
question. Basically, what he was saying was that he had been subscribed to
the RV-List back a few years ago and he used to get a lot of messages each
day. Recently, he resubscribed and now only gets a few messages. "What
Happened?", he wanted to know...
Long story short, originally he had subscribed to the non-model specific
List, the "RV-List(at)matronics.com". When he resubscribed, he just
subscribed to the model-specific List, the "RV6-List(at)matronics.com". Since
the model-specific Lists receive far less traffic than the main RV-List,
the mystery of his reduced content was solved. He's now subscribed to the
Main RV-List in addition to the RV6-List and is happily receiving a few
more messages each day.
I realize that many of you have made a conscious decision to only subscribe
to one or more of the model-specific Lists. This conversation did make me
wonder, though, just how many people have subscribed to the model-specific
Lists, not knowing that a lot of the RV dialog is really on the main
RV-List...?
Anyway, I thought I'd post a little message today and spread the word. I
did some number crunching on the RVx-Lists vs. RV-List subscriptions and
found that there are 819 unique people subscribed to one or more
model-specific RVx-Lists but that are NOT subscribed to the general
RV-List! That's a lot of people missing out on a main flow of RV information.
I've setup a little web page where you can check to see if you're currently
subscribed to the RV-List and easily subscribe if you're not!
http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/Am-I-Subscribed.html
The RV-List is where all the action is! Subscribe today! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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From:
"Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne(at)mchsi.com>
Subject:
RV-10
Date:
Nov 02, 2003
Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the elevator.
So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained from
doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw and pneumatic
rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
Gary & Marianne Jacobs
535 Woodbine Ct.
Mason City, IA 50401
gblayne(at)mchsi.com
(641) 420-8815
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Date:
Nov 02, 2003
From:
"Dennis and Stephanie Smith" <famflier(at)centurytel.net>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Gary
I just got my empennage kit last week, so I am a few weeks behind you.
Hopefully I will catch up someday.
I was wondering which pneumatic squeezer you were using and on which parts?
Might be something I should get as well.
Keep up the good work.
Dennis
RV-10 #97
-------Original Message-------
From: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:06:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the
elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained
from doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw
and pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
Gary & Marianne Jacobs
535 Woodbine Ct.
Mason City, IA 50401
gblayne(at)mchsi.com
(641) 420-8815
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Subject:
RV-10
Date:
Nov 02, 2003
Our kit shows up tomorrow afternoon. I can hardly wait to get started.
I've spend the last two months preparing the garage and building a paint
booth in my basement. For my wife I installed a TV / DVD combo in the
garage and then plumbed my air up from my basement and put the compressor
down there so I didn't have any noise in the garage. I then put a switch
both in the garage and in the basement to turn the compressor on and off. I
will get a website up in a few weeks and post some pictures. The paint
booth turned out great. I live in Salt Lake so I knew I couldn't paint
outside in the winter.
Here are a couple of questions I need answered.
What pressure are you running on your rivet guns? I have a 3X
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis and
Stephanie Smith
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10
Gary
I just got my empennage kit last week, so I am a few weeks behind you.
Hopefully I will catch up someday.
I was wondering which pneumatic squeezer you were using and on which parts?
Might be something I should get as well.
Keep up the good work.
Dennis
RV-10 #97
-------Original Message-------
From: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:06:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the
elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained
from doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw
and pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
Gary & Marianne Jacobs
535 Woodbine Ct.
Mason City, IA 50401
gblayne(at)mchsi.com
(641) 420-8815
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Date:
Nov 02, 2003
> Here are a couple of questions I need answered.
> What pressure are you running on your rivet guns? I have a 3X
http://www.rvproject.com/rivets.html
At the bottom of the page, there are a couple of charts I threw together
with "ballpark" air pressures for various rivet sizes. Take it with a grain
of salt...my experience is that every setup is slightly different.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
All,
I just bought a band saw after staring at the spar caps and wondering how I was
going to cut them. Of all the "nice to have tools", band saw is number 1. I
bought a 9" Delta table model, $99.00. Can't imagine building a 10 without it.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the elevator.
So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained from
doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw and pneumatic
rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
Gary & Marianne Jacobs
535 Woodbine Ct.
Mason City, IA 50401
gblayne(at)mchsi.com
(641) 420-8815
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Farra" <jfarra(at)iapc.net>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
Rick: Where did you get such a deal and where are you located. I'm hoping
to build one within the next few years [have a Grumman Tiger now] and would
like to see one coming together.
John Farra
4600 Gulf Freeway
Suite 600
Houston, Texas 77023-3537
713.928.8100 [voice]
713.928.6744 [facsimile]
832.689.6171 [cell]
N82EJ [1976 Grumman Tiger]
KSGR [Near Houston, Texas]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> All,
>
> I just bought a band saw after staring at the spar caps and wondering how
I was going to cut them. Of all the "nice to have tools", band saw is
number 1. I bought a 9" Delta table model, $99.00. Can't imagine building
a 10 without it.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the
elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained
from doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw
and pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
>
> Gary & Marianne Jacobs
> 535 Woodbine Ct.
> Mason City, IA 50401
> gblayne(at)mchsi.com
> (641) 420-8815
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne(at)mchsi.com>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
I'm using Cleaveland Tool's rivet squeezer. What a help!! I play the
guitar and realized after the first two days of building that I either
needed to get an air squeezer or choose between the guitar and the airplane.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis and Stephanie Smith" <famflier(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> Gary
> I just got my empennage kit last week, so I am a few weeks behind you.
> Hopefully I will catch up someday.
> I was wondering which pneumatic squeezer you were using and on which
parts?
> Might be something I should get as well.
> Keep up the good work.
> Dennis
> RV-10 #97
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:06:48 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the
> elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained
> from doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band
saw
> and pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
>
> Gary & Marianne Jacobs
> 535 Woodbine Ct.
> Mason City, IA 50401
> gblayne(at)mchsi.com
> (641) 420-8815
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne(at)mchsi.com>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
I have a 3X rivet gun. I have air outlets all around the table with 90psi
and wanted to be able to run the rivet gun at about 40psi and adjust it
individually, so I hooked a quick release to a regulator, then to one of
Cleaveland Tools' lightweight pressure hoses, then to a volume
regulator/swivel, then to the gun. That way I can plug the gun in anywhere
without having to worry about whether I reset the pressure. The pressure
regulator seems to work well for setting the force of the gun and the volume
regulator on the swivel makes it easy for fine adjustments.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> > Here are a couple of questions I need answered.
> > What pressure are you running on your rivet guns? I have a 3X
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/rivets.html
>
> At the bottom of the page, there are a couple of charts I threw together
> with "ballpark" air pressures for various rivet sizes. Take it with a
grain
> of salt...my experience is that every setup is slightly different.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gary B. Jacobs" <gblayne(at)mchsi.com>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
I got the same band saw. Found a $79.99 sale. Works great, doesn't it?
Have you been able to get the table exactly level?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> All,
>
> I just bought a band saw after staring at the spar caps and wondering how
I was going to cut them. Of all the "nice to have tools", band saw is
number 1. I bought a 9" Delta table model, $99.00. Can't imagine building
a 10 without it.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on the
elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained
from doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw
and pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
>
> Gary & Marianne Jacobs
> 535 Woodbine Ct.
> Mason City, IA 50401
> gblayne(at)mchsi.com
> (641) 420-8815
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
I live in Arlington, VA. Bought the saw at Lowe's. Much like Home Depot, but
a cut above.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: John Farra [mailto:jfarra(at)iapc.net]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10
Rick: Where did you get such a deal and where are you located. I'm hoping to
build one within the next few years [have a Grumman Tiger now] and would like
to see one coming together.
John Farra
4600 Gulf Freeway
Suite 600
Houston, Texas 77023-3537
713.928.8100 [voice]
713.928.6744 [facsimile]
832.689.6171 [cell]
N82EJ [1976 Grumman Tiger]
KSGR [Near Houston, Texas]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> All,
>
> I just bought a band saw after staring at the spar caps and wondering
> how
I was going to cut them. Of all the "nice to have tools", band saw is number 1.
I bought a 9" Delta table model, $99.00. Can't imagine building a 10 without
it.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on
> the
elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained from
doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw and
pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
>
> Gary & Marianne Jacobs
> 535 Woodbine Ct.
> Mason City, IA 50401
> gblayne(at)mchsi.com
> (641) 420-8815
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
You got a great buy. I bought mine on a Sunday afternoon, probably would have
paid a $1000 if I had to.
I haven't been concerned (yet) about the table being perfectly level. All cuts
are deburred and that helps to "straighten" the edges.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10
I got the same band saw. Found a $79.99 sale. Works great, doesn't it? Have you
been able to get the table exactly level?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> All,
>
> I just bought a band saw after staring at the spar caps and wondering
> how
I was going to cut them. Of all the "nice to have tools", band saw is number 1.
I bought a 9" Delta table model, $99.00. Can't imagine building a 10 without
it.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on
> the
elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft gained from
doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a band saw and
pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this without it.
>
> Gary & Marianne Jacobs
> 535 Woodbine Ct.
> Mason City, IA 50401
> gblayne(at)mchsi.com
> (641) 420-8815
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Farra" <jfarra(at)iapc.net>
Subject:
Re: RV-10
Date:
Nov 03, 2003
Thanks, Rick. jf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10
>
> I live in Arlington, VA. Bought the saw at Lowe's. Much like Home Depot,
but a cut above.
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Farra [mailto:jfarra(at)iapc.net]
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> Rick: Where did you get such a deal and where are you located. I'm
hoping to build one within the next few years [have a Grumman Tiger now] and
would like to see one coming together.
>
> John Farra
> 4600 Gulf Freeway
> Suite 600
> Houston, Texas 77023-3537
> 713.928.8100 [voice]
> 713.928.6744 [facsimile]
> 832.689.6171 [cell]
>
> N82EJ [1976 Grumman Tiger]
> KSGR [Near Houston, Texas]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10
>
>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I just bought a band saw after staring at the spar caps and wondering
> > how
> I was going to cut them. Of all the "nice to have tools", band saw is
number 1. I bought a 9" Delta table model, $99.00. Can't imagine building
a 10 without it.
> >
> > Thank You
> > Rick Conti
> > The Boeing Company
> > office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> > cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> > If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary B. Jacobs [mailto:gblayne(at)mchsi.com]
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10
> >
> >
> >
> > Have finished my vertical stab, rudder & horizontal stab. Starting on
> > the
> elevator. So far this kit is awesome. The experience Van's Aircraft
gained from doing all those other kits really shows on this one. I have a
band saw and pneumatic rivet squeezer and couldn't imagine doing this
without it.
> >
> > Gary & Marianne Jacobs
> > 535 Woodbine Ct.
> > Mason City, IA 50401
> > gblayne(at)mchsi.com
> > (641) 420-8815
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 04, 2003
Subject:
Pneumatic squeezer
From:
Sheldon Olesen <saolesen(at)sirentel.net>
RV-10ers,
If you are interested in a pneumatic rivet squeezer check out U.S.
Industrial Tool's US114CR. I was told the unit was unused government
surplus that they bought back and reconditioned. I asked for and got a 3"
yoke with the squeezer although they only promise about an 1.5' yoke. It
also has a one year warranty. It costs $295 and has a 10% discount for EAA
members so the net is $265.50. Shipping is free. You also need to purchase
an adjustable set. The tool looks unused and works well.
ustool.com
Sheldon Olesen
Siren, WI
#80
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 04, 2003
From:
"Dennis and Stephanie Smith" <famflier(at)centurytel.net>
Subject:
Re: Pneumatic squeezer
Sheldon
What is the adjustabel set you are referring to at USTOOLS?
Dennis
#97
-------Original Message-------
From: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:16:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Pneumatic squeezer
RV-10ers,
If you are interested in a pneumatic rivet squeezer check out U.S.
Industrial Tool's US114CR. I was told the unit was unused government
surplus that they bought back and reconditioned. I asked for and got a 3"
yoke with the squeezer although they only promise about an 1.5' yoke. It
also has a one year warranty. It costs $295 and has a 10% discount for EAA
members so the net is $265.50. Shipping is free. You also need to purchase
an adjustable set. The tool looks unused and works well.
ustool.com
Sheldon Olesen
Siren, WI
#80
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 05, 2003
From:
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Subject:
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 05, 2003
What primer should I use?
I build a paint booth in my basement and have compressed air for a
spray gun, but I would prefer to use a self-etching primer that
comes in a spray can.
What have you had the best success with?
I live in Utah, so corrosion isn't as big as a problem as other
cities, but I still want to use a quality primer.
Thanks for any help in advance.
AeroPRO 5915 Quick Etch was recommended. This is a self-etching primer.
Any reason this won't work?
http://www.autobodybrands.com/aeropro/lqr_primers/qck_etch.html
Why is a two part better?
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 05, 2003
From:
linn walters <lwalters2(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Primer Question
Scott Schmidt wrote:
>
>What primer should I use?
>I build a paint booth in my basement and have compressed air for a
>spray gun, but I would prefer to use a self-etching primer that
>comes in a spray can.
>What have you had the best success with?
>I live in Utah, so corrosion isn't as big as a problem as other
>cities, but I still want to use a quality primer.
>Thanks for any help in advance.
>
>AeroPRO 5915 Quick Etch was recommended. This is a self-etching primer.
>Any reason this won't work?
>http://www.autobodybrands.com/aeropro/lqr_primers/qck_etch.html
>Why is a two part better?
>
I think they're tougher and stand up to pitting caused by sand and small
rocks that are thrown up against the airframe now and then. I'm not
saying that the primer above won't do the job, but I've had good luck
with the two part stuff.
Linn
>Scott Schmidt
>USSynthetic Product Manager
>1260 South 1600 West
>Orem UT 84058
>Phone: 801-235-9001
>Fax: 801-235-9141
>Cell: 801-319-3094
>sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 10, 2003
From:
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From:
"Fabian Lefler" <fablef(at)bellsouth.net>
, ,
,
Subject:
Aluminum Air Vents
Date:
Nov 10, 2003
If you didn't get a chance to visit Oshkosh this year, and stop by the Van's Aircraft
tent, you probably missed meeting and talking to Jeff Mears of Airkit,
LLC. Jeff was at Oshkosh introducing his brand new set of full size aluminum
vents, which are a direct replacement to the plastic ones Van sells.
We just received a set of Jeff?s vents for our own RV-9A, and we are very impressed
with the quality, looks and performance of the vents. We want everyone on
the list to know that we paid the full price for our vents (call Jeff and ask).
Our main motive for posting this e-mail is, strictly, as a response to the
high number of calls we have received asking for an alternative to Van's plastic
vents. Until now, we didn?t know of one. All of the available aluminum
vents out there are only sold with a clear finish, and are much smaller in size
and volume of air they provide.
If you want to see a side by side comparison of the plastic vs. aluminum vents, see this special webpage we've created at http://www.affordablepanels.com/Airvents.html We are planning to sell these vents on a "Pass-Thru" basis to our customers to save them a bit on shipping charges when ordered with a Modular Panel, but if you are interested on a set of these vents, you can order them directly from Jeff by visiting his website at http://www.bravoavtech.com/airkit/ The vents are pricey, but compared to what other aviation catalog companies are charging for the tiny ones, these are an excellent deal.
Best Regards,
Fabian Lefler
www.affordablepanels.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 14, 2003
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
[PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year?
Dear Listers,
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Date:
Nov 19, 2003
From:
Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer last night.
Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain relationships so
I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I can't
imagine building before match hole technology was available and would like to
thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is a one
part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for aluminum.
Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant Alclad I opted
for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total solution as with two
step primers. Has anyone has experience with this product or information about
its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 19, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Bill,
I'll be closing up my horizontal stab tonight. I'm using Akzo 2 part epoxy primer
on my RV-10. Lots of discussion on primers. I based on my decision on the
fact water based primers actually hold moisture. The Akzo is used by Boeing.
What are your plans for external lighting?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
rick.conti(at)boeing.com
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: RV10-List: Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer last night.
Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain relationships so
I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I can't
imagine building before match hole technology was available and would like to
thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is a one
part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for aluminum.
Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant Alclad I opted
for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total solution as with two
step primers. Has anyone has experience with this product or information about
its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 19, 2003
For lighting, I ordered the System 6 from Wheelen and I'm planning on using
the HID's for landing lights. I love the HID's on my car.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
Bill,
I'll be closing up my horizontal stab tonight. I'm using Akzo 2 part epoxy
primer on my RV-10. Lots of discussion on primers. I based on my decision
on the fact water based primers actually hold moisture. The Akzo is used by
Boeing.
What are your plans for external lighting?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
rick.conti(at)boeing.com
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: RV10-List: Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer
last night. Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain
relationships so I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I
can't imagine building before match hole technology was available and would
like to thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in
business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is
a one part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for
aluminum. Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant
Alclad I opted for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total
solution as with two step primers. Has anyone has experience with this
product or information about its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 19, 2003
I am using the Sherwin Williams 988 self etching primer. I talked to a
whole group of builders at Hook's Airport in Houston where corrosion is a
problem and this is what all of them use.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Subject: RV10-List: Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer
last night. Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain
relationships so I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I
can't imagine building before match hole technology was available and would
like to thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in
business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is
a one part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for
aluminum. Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant
Alclad I opted for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total
solution as with two step primers. Has anyone has experience with this
product or information about its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 19, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Did you order the System 6 from Whelen or Van's?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
-->
For lighting, I ordered the System 6 from Wheelen and I'm planning on using the
HID's for landing lights. I love the HID's on my car.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
Bill,
I'll be closing up my horizontal stab tonight. I'm using Akzo 2 part epoxy primer
on my RV-10. Lots of discussion on primers. I based on my decision on the
fact water based primers actually hold moisture. The Akzo is used by Boeing.
What are your plans for external lighting?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
rick.conti(at)boeing.com
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: RV10-List: Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer last night.
Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain relationships so
I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I can't
imagine building before match hole technology was available and would like to
thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is a one
part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for aluminum.
Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant Alclad I opted
for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total
solution as with two step primers. Has anyone has experience with this
product or information about its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 19, 2003
I ordered it though Van's. Scott at Van's confirmed that this was the
correct system to order. I know it's a little early, but I want to get the
rudder completely finished.
Scott Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
Did you order the System 6 from Whelen or Van's?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
-->
For lighting, I ordered the System 6 from Wheelen and I'm planning on using
the HID's for landing lights. I love the HID's on my car.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
Bill,
I'll be closing up my horizontal stab tonight. I'm using Akzo 2 part epoxy
primer on my RV-10. Lots of discussion on primers. I based on my decision
on the fact water based primers actually hold moisture. The Akzo is used by
Boeing.
What are your plans for external lighting?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
rick.conti(at)boeing.com
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: RV10-List: Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer
last night. Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain
relationships so I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I
can't imagine building before match hole technology was available and would
like to thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in
business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is
a one part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for
aluminum. Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant
Alclad I opted for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total
solution as with two step primers. Has anyone has experience with this
product or information about its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Primer Question
Date:
Nov 20, 2003
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
I plan on ordering the same system. I'd be interested to know if the strobe wiring
is 3 conductor shielded. Would you please let me know when you receive the
system? Off line would be fine also at: rick.conti(at)boeing.com
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
-->
I ordered it though Van's. Scott at Van's confirmed that this was the correct
system to order. I know it's a little early, but I want to get the rudder completely
finished.
Scott Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
Did you order the System 6 from Whelen or Van's?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
-->
For lighting, I ordered the System 6 from Wheelen and I'm planning on using the
HID's for landing lights. I love the HID's on my car.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer Question
Bill,
I'll be closing up my horizontal stab tonight. I'm using Akzo 2 part epoxy primer
on my RV-10. Lots of discussion on primers. I based on my decision on the
fact water based primers actually hold moisture. The Akzo is used by Boeing.
What are your plans for external lighting?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
rick.conti(at)boeing.com
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: RV10-List: Primer Question
Hi everyone - I am "checking in".
Received my RV-10 kit October 4 and just closed the horizontal stablizer last night.
Currently pacing myself at 20 hours per week to maintain relationships so
I won't be the first RV10 at Oskosh.
This is the kit I have been waiting for and have not been disappointed. I can't
imagine building before match hole technology was available and would like to
thank those earlier RV-4 & RV-6 builders because they kept Vans in business.
I am using Sherman/Williams "DTM Wash Primer" for the inner surfaces. It is a one
part, water base primer that is easy and light and recommended for aluminum.
Since most of the metal surface is already corrosion resistant Alclad I opted
for additional corrosion insurance rather than a total
solution as with two step primers. Has anyone has experience with this
product or information about its effectiveness in salt air conditions?
Bill
billderou(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Nov 20, 2003
From:
Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
lighting
My lighting decision will be to bypass the rudder installation and go with wing
tip only. This choice is colored from my experience with my Piper Archer. The
tail light has been a source of problems over the years and the strobes provide
a wonderful noise through the headsets letting me know they are working.
The tail light installation has had problems with:
1) breaking the wire at the bending intersection
2) poor ground due to corrosion
3) need a ladder to change the bulb (not a problem with the RV-10)
This will eliminate a wire run, keep the tail area quiet for the NAV whiskers,
and provide a white light backup (better than nothing).
I am dithering over a single power supply or one at each wing tip. Has anyone grinded
through the logic on this decision?
Bill
---------------------------------
Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"DAVID BOONE" <david555(at)cox.net>
Subject:
Auto-Gas RV-10
Date:
Nov 20, 2003
O.K., I thought I would stir up some controversy with my first post. Is anybody
else considering putting a Mazda 20B on there R.V.10. I know this is blasphemy,
but the history and performance of the 13B crowd is beginning to get my attention.
I have successfully used auto-gas in my 182 for many years and have about
600 or so hours using auto-gas on a Grumman cheetah prior to that. I want
to use an engine that burns auto-gas. The 0-540 low compression engine I believe
is 235 HP. The 20B is supposed to deliver about 270 HP using auto-gas. Let
the fireworks begin. Thanks David.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Frank" <fscorpio(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
Re: Auto-Gas RV-10
Date:
Nov 20, 2003
David,
Check out www.eggenfellneraircraft.com,
contact Jan Eggenfellner --- there may likely be a 6 cyclinder Subaru auto
engine conversion with Supercharger available sometime next year with
estimate of 250 hp.
Frank, N529ST reserved, considering RV-10
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID BOONE" <david555(at)cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Auto-Gas RV-10
>
> O.K., I thought I would stir up some controversy with my first post. Is
anybody else considering putting a Mazda 20B on there R.V.10. I know this is
blasphemy, but the history and performance of the 13B crowd is beginning to
get my attention. I have successfully used auto-gas in my 182 for many years
and have about 600 or so hours using auto-gas on a Grumman cheetah prior to
that. I want to use an engine that burns auto-gas. The 0-540 low compression
engine I believe is 235 HP. The 20B is supposed to deliver about 270 HP
using auto-gas. Let the fireworks begin. Thanks David.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"DAVID BOONE" <david555(at)cox.net>
Subject:
Re: Auto-Gas RV-10
Date:
Nov 21, 2003
Thanks, David O Boone
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <fscorpio(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Auto-Gas RV-10
>
> David,
>
> Check out www.eggenfellneraircraft.com,
>
> contact Jan Eggenfellner --- there may likely be a 6 cyclinder Subaru auto
> engine conversion with Supercharger available sometime next year with
> estimate of 250 hp.
>
> Frank, N529ST reserved, considering RV-10
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DAVID BOONE" <david555(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: RV10-List: Auto-Gas RV-10
>
>
> >
> > O.K., I thought I would stir up some controversy with my first post. Is
> anybody else considering putting a Mazda 20B on there R.V.10. I know this
is
> blasphemy, but the history and performance of the 13B crowd is beginning
to
> get my attention. I have successfully used auto-gas in my 182 for many
years
> and have about 600 or so hours using auto-gas on a Grumman cheetah prior
to
> that. I want to use an engine that burns auto-gas. The 0-540 low
compression
> engine I believe is 235 HP. The 20B is supposed to deliver about 270 HP
> using auto-gas. Let the fireworks begin. Thanks David.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net>
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date:
Nov 24, 2003
Subject:
Re: Auto-Gas RV-10
I want to use an engine
> that burns auto-gas. The 0-540 low compression engine I believe is 235
> HP.
According to http://autofuelstc.com/pa/petersenaviation.html the list of
Lycoming O-540s that have an autogas STC includes: 0-540-B1A5, -
B1B5, -B1D5, -B2A5, -B2B5, -B2C5, -B4A5, -B4B5, -A1A*,
-A1A5*, -A1B5*, -A1C5*, -A1D*, -A1D5*, -A2B*, -A3D5*,
-A4A5*, -A4B5*, -A4C5*, -A4D5*, -D1A5*, -E4A5*, -
E4B5*, -E4C5*, -G1A5*, -G2A5*, -H1A5*, -H2A5*, -
H1A5D*, -H2A5D*, -H1B5D*, -H2B5D* -F1B5* (asterisk
means 91 octane required. Others can take 87 octane). Many
of these engines are 260HP (the max recommended HP for the
RV-10.
________________________________________________________________________________
Matt,
I feel my donation to your excellent efforts is being compromised. The email traffic
on the homebuilt list dealing with Mystic River is very disturbing. May
I recommend you deny privileges to all who submit mailings on such topics.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com]
Subject: RV10-List: All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!!
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
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From:
Dennis Keller <dennis(at)bullamanka.com>
Date:
Jan 06, 2004
Rick --
I had the same issues with the mainstream (rv-list, homebuilt-list)
matronics lists. Some unique individuals on those lists that seem not to
understand how to stay on topic. I have no idea what "mystic river"
liberal actors have to do with homebuilts.
I've found that the model-specific matronics lists are good. I've also
found that the RV-10/SOCAL/NORCAL/VANSAIRFORCE/ETC lists on
groups.yahoo.com are very good. They almost always remain on topic and
are full of good information. Matt Dralle runs a good operation, but may
need to moderate the general lists.
Good luck.
On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 11:14, Conti, Rick wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> I feel my donation to your excellent efforts is being compromised. The email
traffic on the homebuilt list dealing with Mystic River is very disturbing. May
I recommend you deny privileges to all who submit mailings on such topics.
>
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
> If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com]
> To: dralle(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!!
>
>
>
>
> Hi Listers!
>
> A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
> chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
> web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
> download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
> or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
> Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
> up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
> website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
> yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
> try you browser because it'll probably just work.
>
> Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
> accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
> of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
> Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
> in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
> Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
> rooms as "MattDralle".
>
> There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
> Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
> and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
> Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
> things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
> treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
> someone sends a message.
>
> The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
> each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
> from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
>
> Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
> new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
> List's specific Chat Room!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin
>
> PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
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Subject:
Clecos
Date:
Feb 04, 2004
Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation like? I've
got the AVERY
3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not to order
up more
clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the C-Frame dimpler's
throat is
too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
Thanks for any info!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Tools
Date:
Feb 04, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Bruce,
C-frame has worked fine for the tail kit. I will be starting the wings
this week. Also bought extra Clecos, 100 each 3/32 (silver) and 50 each
1/8 (bronze). Highly recommend (almost mandatory) a table top band saw.
Delta 9" is about $100.00, well worth the money.
Nice to have a couple of "extra" counter sink bits on hand. I broke a
3/32 and it held me up for a few days.
Single flute deburring tool. Triple flute leaves a pretty ragged hole.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
TColeE(at)aol.com
Date:
Feb 04, 2004
Subject:
Re: Clecos
Bruce; you will need the dimple dies that use a pop rivet to reach the holes
in the foreward elevator skins. I just did mine no big deal. I dont know if
they come in the kit or not. might consider the special bucking bar the reach
the rivets in the trailing edge of the elevators.
Terry E. Cole
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Clecos
Date:
Feb 04, 2004
From:
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Bruce,
You need as many of the #40 (silver) clecos as you can get. You'll
easily use ~350-400 on the HS and then when you get to the tailcone
you'll need 500+. I also have the Avery C-Frame and the only thing that
I've noticed is that on the VS skin I wasn't able to get to a couple of
the innermost holes to dimple - not a problem, use the pop-rivet dimple
die. FWIW, it appears that there must be a minor dimensional difference
between brands - another builder with the Cleaveland model had no
problem reaching those same holes.
Some other specifics to consider:
- Elevator bucking bar. There is a special bucking bar called out in
the plans when you get to the elevator construction which can be ordered
through either Avery or Cleaveland (or you can make your own). If you
don't have it you'll have to order some extra blind rivets (MK-319 I
think).
- Pneumatic squeezer. I got advice from another builder to just order a
pneumatic squeezer when I got the rest of the tools. I elected to go
the hand squeezer route at first, but I ordered a pneumatic model within
hours of trying one out - huge time saver. Get a set of quick release
pins and the adjustable set (like the hand squeezer) at the same time.
You'll get a lot of conflicting advice on this - try one out and make
your own decision.
- Small cutoff saw for the stringers and longerons. The model that I've
got was only ~$25 from Harbor Freight - much easier to use on long
pieces that don't easily fit in the band saw.
- 4" no hole and longeron yokes. The longeron yoke is used pretty
frequently but the 4" no hole isn't. Buy both if money isn't an issue,
otherwise buy the longeron and borrow the 4".
- Static ports. When you get to the tailcone you'll have to decide what
sort of static ports to put in. Based on recommendations from others I
ordered a set of machined aluminum ports from Cleaveland when I ordered
the special bucking bar. I may decide later to use a heated
pitot/static tube but this preserves the option of using the Van's
specified static port location in case accuracy becomes an issue. Using
the pop rivet style also preserves that option but I prefer the looks of
the machined ports.
Bob #105
In the tailcone, wings shipping any day.
-----Original Message-----
From: BBreckenridge(at)att.net [mailto:BBreckenridge(at)att.net]
Subject: RV10-List: Clecos
Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation
like? I've got the AVERY
3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not
to order up more
clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the
C-Frame dimpler's throat is
too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
Thanks for any info!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
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Date:
Feb 04, 2004
From:
Tim Olson <Tim(at)5000feet.com>
Subject:
Re: Clecos
I had posted tools questions on the yahoogroups list, and got the
following advice:
Get some #30, #40, and #12 chucking reamers.
The C-Frame dimpler should work for most holes.
Buy some Ooops rivets.
Oops Rivets
NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.20
NAS1097AD4-4 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $15.00
NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
Buy a Circle cutter.
Get an 1/8" offset rivet set.
I bought the Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool.
DEFINITELY get the no-hole thin/nose 4" squeezer yoke.
DEFINITELY get the pneumatic squeezer (I can't see being without it)
and I bought mine with the longeron yoke. Also get the adjustable set
holder for the squeezer.
Get the 59010 Hex Adapter for deburring from Avery
Buy a round and flat jewlers file set.
I bought 550 total 3/32 clecos and I think I'll be buying about 150-200
more!!!
I bought 250 1/8 clecos and I'm hearing that that's about right.
So yes, buy more clecos.
Buy extra drill bits.
Make sure you have plenty of scotchbrite pads on hand.
I bought some very fine thin foam type sanding pads...work well
to get in tight slots for deburring.
Get some 400 and 600 grit tough automotive sandpaper.
Buy 2 pair of cleco pliers so your helpers have some too.
Definitely get a dremel tool with the fine sanding drum rolls.
I haven't got them yet but, a tabletop bandsaw and belt sander
sound like they'll be great time savers.
Buy a metal chop saw. Others have bought the small one, but I
got a 14" at harbor freight for $59 because I want to cut lots
of steel later too for other projects.
A desktop drill press can be handy too.
Buy a die-grinder. I have an air powered cutoff hand saw too
that has been used once already.
That should contribute to making you poor. I know it set me
back a bit but it's well worth it for the ease of building.
Tim
BBreckenridge(at)att.net wrote:
>
> Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation like?
I've got the AVERY
> 3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not to order
up more
> clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the C-Frame dimpler's
throat is
> too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
>
> Thanks for any info!
>
> Bruce Breckenridge
> 40018
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Subject:
Clecos
Date:
Feb 04, 2004
I just finished the empennage kit and I'm working on the wing. I had about
300 - 400 clecos and ran out while assembling the horizontal stab so I
ordered another 250 or 300 and I'm glad I did. We used almost every one of
them when assembling the fuselage tailcone. You should only need extra #40
clecos. If your C-Frame has the standard depth on it you should be fine.
You have to maneuver the side skins of the fuselage a little to get
everything dimpled. The 3X is great but I would recommend getting the
pneumatic squeezer from Avery. I would never even think of doing this plane
without it. It is a life saver. It is worth twice what it costs especially
when you start squeezing the #4 rivets.
Other musts:
- Belt and disk sander (I have the Delta 9" disk and 6" belt and it works
perfect)
- Band Saw (the $120 Delta works great, I also have a scroll saw which is
great for longer parts but it isn't a must)
- Pneumatic squeezer
- Bench grinder with scotchbrite wheel
- Die grinder with small scotchbrite wheels
- Vise (I got mine at Harbor Freight and it works great)
- Drill press (I have both a floor model and the Delta desk top and so far
we have only used the smaller desk top. It is real hand for machine
countersinking)
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BBreckenridge(at)att.net
Subject: RV10-List: Clecos
Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation like?
I've got the AVERY
3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not to
order up more
clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the C-Frame
dimpler's throat is
too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
Thanks for any info!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Tim Lewis" <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu>
Date:
Feb 06, 2004
Subject:
QB wing delivery date
DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06
FYI, I ordered my QB wings earlier this week via fax to Van's. Received
letter from Van's today estimating June shipment.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 600 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
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Subject:
RV-10 Wing Wiring
Date:
Mar 03, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Tonight I am going to start working on the top skins for the left wing.
I am also installing a heated pitot tube in the wing that has a static
port on it as well so I will need two tubes going to my instruments. I
have drilled two 7/16" holes in the ribs for these two tubes and
installed snap bushings. The plans also have you drill a 5/8" hole in
the ribs as well for the wiring to the wing tips.
First, do any of you see any problems putting the wiring to the pitot
tube and wing tip lights and strobes in the same hole?
I have seen a few pictures of people installing PVC pipe in their wings
so they can easily run wires or fuel tubing later if wing tip tanks are
added or new wires need to be pulled for video equipment ect.. The
builder of the RV-8 on the series "From the Ground Up" also does this.
Have you heard of any problems doing this? Is this a good idea? Is
their a good way to attach it so there is no vibration or movement?
Let me know your thoughts. I should have the left wing closed up in a
couple of weeks and don't want to look back and say, "Wish I would have
added that!".
Thanks.
Scott Schmidt
Salt Lake City, UT
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 03, 2004
From:
linn walters <lwalters2(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: RV-10 Wing Wiring
Scott Schmidt wrote:
>
>Tonight I am going to start working on the top skins for the left wing.
>
Right off the bat, you made me jealous!
>I am also installing a heated pitot tube in the wing that has a static
>port on it as well so I will need two tubes going to my instruments. I
>have drilled two 7/16" holes in the ribs for these two tubes and
>installed snap bushings. The plans also have you drill a 5/8" hole in
>the ribs as well for the wiring to the wing tips.
>First, do any of you see any problems putting the wiring to the pitot
>tube and wing tip lights and strobes in the same hole?
>
I don't. If you have a single PS for the strobes, make sure you use
shielded wiring for the strobes.
>I have seen a few pictures of people installing PVC pipe in their wings
>so they can easily run wires or fuel tubing later if wing tip tanks are
>added or new wires need to be pulled for video equipment ect.. The
>builder of the RV-8 on the series "From the Ground Up" also does this.
>Have you heard of any problems doing this? Is this a good idea?
>
I think so! I'll probably do just that on mine.
> Is their a good way to attach it so there is no vibration or movement?
>
A little dab of the red RTV on each side of the rib should be enough. I
don't think the red has the acetic acid in it, but check.
>Let me know your thoughts.
>
Planning for the future is tough. Tougher yet is trying to get
unplanned stuff through the wing! It would be nice to size the PVC pipe
to handle all the runs ..... but since you already have the pitot lines
routed ...... maybe a 3/4" thin-wall PVC pipe would be adequate. With
tubing going through the conduit, it'll fill up fast!!!
> I should have the left wing closed up in a
>couple of weeks and don't want to look back and say, "Wish I would have
>added that!".
>
Good planning on your part!
Linn
>Thanks.
>
>Scott Schmidt
>Salt Lake City, UT
>Cell: 801-319-3094
>sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date:
Mar 03, 2004
DNA: not not archive
Subject:
[PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics...
Dear Listers,
First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings
about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to
start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so
please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to
the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough
that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said...
There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
"your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access"
"Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail
content) outgoing from your e-mail account"
"Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In
order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions."
"Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two
days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to
configure our free auto-forwarding service."
All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to
click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your
system", or "check your system for infections".
These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and
propagate even more copies of the original message.
The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming
from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing
dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that
appear to be from "support(at)matronics.com", "management(at)matronics.com",
"administration(at)matronics.com", and "staff(at)matronics.com".
The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged
source address, seem even more legitimate.
Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you
these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that
has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than
Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in
a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily
basis.
Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of
viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this
email with any comments. You may write to me directly at
dralle(at)matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List.
Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to
assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages.
Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date!
Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance
has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in
an 18 hour period!
Best regards,
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Matronics Email List Administrator
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Tim Lewis" <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu>
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date:
Mar 04, 2004
Subject:
Re: RV-10 Wing Wiring
My experience on the heated pitot/static tube: On my RV-6 I got
significant static errors using the static ports on the heated pitot static tube.
I eneded up abandoning the static line from the pitot/static tube, and using
the static port location on the fuselage as depicted on the plans. This cut
my static system error by 50% or more (as I recall... it's been a while).
Wiring tube: I used the corrugated black tube that Van sells in my wings.
It's light. I shot a string down the tube using compressed air, so that I can
pull wires thru in the future, if I need to.
TTFN
Tim
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Wiring
From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Send reply to: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Tonight I am going to start working on the top skins for the left
> wing. I am also installing a heated pitot tube in the wing that has a
> static port on it as well so I will need two tubes going to my
> instruments. I have drilled two 7/16" holes in the ribs for these two
> tubes and installed snap bushings. The plans also have you drill a
> 5/8" hole in the ribs as well for the wiring to the wing tips. First,
> do any of you see any problems putting the wiring to the pitot tube
> and wing tip lights and strobes in the same hole? I have seen a few
> pictures of people installing PVC pipe in their wings so they can
> easily run wires or fuel tubing later if wing tip tanks are added or
> new wires need to be pulled for video equipment ect.. The builder of
> the RV-8 on the series "From the Ground Up" also does this. Have you
> heard of any problems doing this? Is this a good idea? Is their a
> good way to attach it so there is no vibration or movement? Let me
> know your thoughts. I should have the left wing closed up in a couple
> of weeks and don't want to look back and say, "Wish I would have added
> that!". Thanks.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> Salt Lake City, UT
> Cell: 801-319-3094
> sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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>
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Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 600 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Frank" <fscorpio(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
RV10 Wing Flap Spars
Date:
Mar 16, 2004
Did anyone with a wing kit receive two left hand flap spars FL1003-L? I received
two right hand flap spars FL1003-R! My wing kit was recently delivered last
Tuesday.
Frank, N529ST reserved.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RV10 Wing Flap Spars
Date:
Mar 16, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
I received two left ones and Van's recently sent me a new right one.
I was going to ship the left one back but I could send it to you.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 Wing Flap Spars
Did anyone with a wing kit receive two left hand flap spars FL1003-L? I
received two right hand flap spars FL1003-R! My wing kit was recently
delivered last Tuesday.
Frank, N529ST reserved.
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From:
"Frank" <fscorpio(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
RV-10 Flap Spars
Date:
Mar 17, 2004
Hi Scott,
I E-mailed Van's so maybe they have already shipped the left
hand flap spar to me. Let's wait and see if they did.
But isn't it nice to know where your right hand flap spar
showed up (Stockton, California) and where my left hand flap spar located
itself ---it made it all the way to Orem, Utah! My Gosh, I cann't wait
until I get to fly my flap spar to Utah and beyond completely attached to a
flying RV-10.
Frank, N529ST reserved, Stockton, California
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Subject: RV10-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/16/04
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> From: "Frank" <fscorpio(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 Wing Flap Spars
>
>
> Did anyone with a wing kit receive two left hand flap spars FL1003-L? I
received
> two right hand flap spars FL1003-R! My wing kit was recently delivered
last
> Tuesday.
>
> Frank, N529ST reserved.
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Wing Flap Spars
> From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
>
>
> I received two left ones and Van's recently sent me a new right one.
> I was going to ship the left one back but I could send it to you.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> USSynthetic Product Manager
> 1260 South 1600 West
> Orem UT 84058
> Phone: 801-235-9001
> Fax: 801-235-9141
> Cell: 801-319-3094
> sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 Wing Flap Spars
>
>
> Did anyone with a wing kit receive two left hand flap spars FL1003-L? I
> received two right hand flap spars FL1003-R! My wing kit was recently
> delivered last Tuesday.
>
> Frank, N529ST reserved.
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From:
"Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Santa Maria CA Fly-in (April 30-May 2)
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement
for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has
become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked
aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to
be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks!
~~Cory Emberson
KHWD
>>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<<
Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig
to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004
at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX)
www.smxgig.org
SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year,
our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado!
"MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery
at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed,
energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the
United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education.
If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org.
All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson.
Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday
morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm
still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals):
MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting
Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that
occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology
for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps.
ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It
Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a
remarkable job of making physics phun!
BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA
Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their
medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee.
DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots
Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org
PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas
Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments
regarding our fuel of choice.
MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe
Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but
return "home" often.
As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card.
Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com).
DOLLARS AND CENTS
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that
covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers.
The fee is $160 per person, and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday afternoon lunch
- Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double
room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as
a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference
listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help,
but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how
many existing guests are in those rooms.
You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11,
2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate.
The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and
rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that
date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend.
The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ).
Thanks, and see you there!
best, Cory Emberson
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Subject:
RV-10 Wing Kit Inventory
Date:
Apr 02, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Attached are two Excel spreadsheets of the RV-10 Wing Kit. Each file
has multiple tabs sorted by (my) location, part number, and description.
I also included a bolt length chart. Took me a while to figure out the
lengths are in octal plus 1/32.
<> <> <>
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 02, 2004
From:
Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject:
Re: RV-10 Wing Kit Inventory
Hi,
The email list filters out attachements so you can't send them to the
list. Can you send it to me separately?
Tim
Conti, Rick wrote:
>
> Attached are two Excel spreadsheets of the RV-10 Wing Kit. Each file
> has multiple tabs sorted by (my) location, part number, and description.
>
> I also included a bolt length chart. Took me a while to figure out the
> lengths are in octal plus 1/32.
>
> <> <> < Length.xls>>
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
>
>
>
>
>
>
-=-=-
Tim Olson #170 - Wisconsin
Tim(at)MyRV10.com
RV-10 Empennage Kit - N104CD (reserved)
'77 Sundower Flying N2251L
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RV-10 Wing Kit Inventory
Date:
Apr 02, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Here ya go.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim(at)MyRV10.com]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Kit Inventory
Hi,
The email list filters out attachements so you can't send them to the
list. Can you send it to me separately?
Tim
Conti, Rick wrote:
>
> Attached are two Excel spreadsheets of the RV-10 Wing Kit. Each file
> has multiple tabs sorted by (my) location, part number, and
> description.
>
> I also included a bolt length chart. Took me a while to figure out
> the lengths are in octal plus 1/32.
>
> <> <> < Length.xls>>
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 872 - 4602
> cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
>
>
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Tim Olson #170 - Wisconsin
Tim(at)MyRV10.com
RV-10 Empennage Kit - N104CD (reserved)
'77 Sundower Flying N2251L
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Date:
Apr 14, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the ribs to line up with the
pre-drilled holes in the skins. I managed to get the outboard leading
edges assembled, with plenty of trouble. I worked on a fuel tank last
night.....real ugly.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
I cheated, found that the tank cradle was causing most of my problems.
Lift the tank out of the cradle slightly and start at the bottom, pushing
the rib into the bottom. It goes in and is a very nice fit. I am very
happy with the way my tanks turned out.
Sincerely,
Noel Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574
noel(at)blueskyaviation.net
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the ribs to line up with the
pre-drilled holes in the skins. I managed to get the outboard leading
edges assembled, with plenty of trouble. I worked on a fuel tank last
night.....real ugly.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Date:
Apr 14, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
I just finished both tanks last night and found that if I put the cleco
in the second hole on the top side and pushed the skin around on the
bottom while pushing the rib down, I was able to get the first cleco in
on the bottom. Be careful that you don't push too hard on the rib
though. It is easy to collapse the rib. But you are right. It does
make it easier to lift the skin out of the cradle when doing this.
Here is a question though. Page 18-5 Figure #1 shows the T-1005B being
riveted to the T-1005-L. Are you going to dimple the T-1005B and then
countersink the T-1005-L? The instructions are the greatest there.
Also, there are two #19 holes on the inboard side of the top skin I
believe that are not indicated on any of the drawings. What are these
for? Do they get dimpled? I am not talking about the two #19 holes
that go into the T-1005-L.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Yoshie
Simmons
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
I cheated, found that the tank cradle was causing most of my problems.
Lift the tank out of the cradle slightly and start at the bottom,
pushing
the rib into the bottom. It goes in and is a very nice fit. I am very
happy with the way my tanks turned out.
Sincerely,
Noel Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574
noel(at)blueskyaviation.net
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the ribs to line up with the
pre-drilled holes in the skins. I managed to get the outboard leading
edges assembled, with plenty of trouble. I worked on a fuel tank last
night.....real ugly.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
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Subject:
Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Date:
Apr 14, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Also, make sure you do enough fluting on the ribs. I found that in
order to get the first 3-5 holes to line up I had to quite a bit of
extensive fluting. Once I did though and once the first two clecos were
started, the rest went in very easy. If you have problems beyond the
first or second cleco, you probably didn't flute enough.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the ribs to line up with the
pre-drilled holes in the skins. I managed to get the outboard leading
edges assembled, with plenty of trouble. I worked on a fuel tank last
night.....real ugly.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
==
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Subject:
Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Date:
Apr 14, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Will do.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
-->
Also, make sure you do enough fluting on the ribs. I found that in
order to get the first 3-5 holes to line up I had to quite a bit of
extensive fluting. Once I did though and once the first two clecos were
started, the rest went in very easy. If you have problems beyond the
first or second cleco, you probably didn't flute enough.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the ribs to line up with the
pre-drilled holes in the skins. I managed to get the outboard leading
edges assembled, with plenty of trouble. I worked on a fuel tank last
night.....real ugly.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
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From:
"Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
Hi Rick, I finished my 10 tanks a few weeks ago and I know how you feel.
It's even worse when you have proseal added to the equation isn't it! I
lifted my skins out of the cradle a bit, shoved the rib as tightly as i
could into the leading edge portion and then pushed the skin back into the
cradle to wedge it temporarily in position. Then i clecoed from the trailing
edge forward and it seemed to pull them into alignment. I also found it
easier to clecoe the top skin/rib first since it has more curvature, then
the bottom. Hope this helps, don't hesitate to hollar if you have questions
about leak checking. I'm no expert , but i think mine came out pretty good.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Date:
Apr 19, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Mark,
I too lifted the tanks out of the cradle. How did you test your tanks?
--------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Chamberlain <10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Tanks & Ribs
Hi Rick, I finished my 10 tanks a few weeks ago and I know how you feel.
It's even worse when you have proseal added to the equation isn't it! I
lifted my skins out of the cradle a bit, shoved the rib as tightly as i
could into the leading edge portion and then pushed the skin back into the
cradle to wedge it temporarily in position. Then i clecoed from the trailing
edge forward and it seemed to pull them into alignment. I also found it
easier to clecoe the top skin/rib first since it has more curvature, then
the bottom. Hope this helps, don't hesitate to hollar if you have questions
about leak checking. I'm no expert , but i think mine came out pretty good.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Fuel Tanks
Date:
Apr 19, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Below is a copy of the email I sent to Van's this afternoon. Any
comments?
Instructions state to machine countersink the tank skin to the baffle.
I realize the skin is .032, but during a few practice machine CSKs I
noticed the hole became much larger when the CSK hole accepted a rivet.
It also was oversized even before the rivet was fully counter sunk. Is
this to be expected?
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Tank testing
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Hey Rick, sorry for the delayed response. I just got back from a few days of
work out of town. I bought the test kit from Vans. I put a plug in the fuel
pick up to cap it off and then a balloon on the fuel vent line. I used a
bike pump to slowly add air. Supposedly the balloon will pop before the tank
gets damaged. I was suprised how quickly the balloon inflated once it
reached a certain pressure. I wasn't even pumping any more and the balloon
kept inflating. The first time that happened I panicked and rushed to let
air back out. Once I had the balloon inflated to an acceptable amount, I was
confident that I would notice the balloon deflating if I had a leak. Then,
with the balloon inflated, I submerged different areas of the tank in my
pool to look for bubbles. I don't know what Van would think of this
technique, but if there was a leak I'm confident I would see bubbles in the
still water. After drying the tanks thoroughly and checking the balloon for
a while, I unscrewed the air valve and heard a good pressure release. I feel
good about it but won't be totally confident until the fuel goes in.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
RE: RV10-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/26/04
Date:
May 27, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
If any of you are interested, I have some pictures posted on a smugmug
account on the RV-10. I am still adding pictures but some of them are
there.
Current status:
- Empennage Complete
- Both wings are complete except for bottom skin and the gas tanks are
85% done. (The gas tanks sure are a lot of work but the learning curve
is greatly increasing. The best thing I have found is to mix smaller
amounts of the ProSeal at a time and do 2 - 3 ribs. If you do any more
than that the ProSeal start to become hard. You can thin it with MEK
but it doesn't last long as it quickly evaporates.)
-Fuselage kit will be delivered August 4th.
I will try to get more pictures added tonight.
www.scottandranae.smugmug.com
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
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Subject:
Heated Pitot
Date:
Jun 07, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
All,
Does anyone have a recommendation for a heated pitot tube? Make, model,
and retailer?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dave Smith" <dave(at)rv10project.net>
Subject:
Heated Pitot
Date:
Jun 07, 2004
Rick,
I can't recommend one way or the other, but Dynon has a reasonably priced
unit. (That's reasonable compared to what a lot of the market tries to sell
them for, not for what we might think of as 'reasonable').
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Dave Smith
http://www.rv10project.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Heated Pitot
All,
Does anyone have a recommendation for a heated pitot tube? Make, model, and
retailer?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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Subject:
Heated Pitot
Date:
Jun 07, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Heated pitot tubes have recently taken a huge jump in prices. I just
bought one through a dealer in Chicago. I bought the "AN5812 PITOT
TUBE". You can view it at Aircraft Spruce. In the past six months the
prices have gone from $250 - $350 to $1000 - $1200. I was lucky and
found one for $275. I wanted the static port on it as well but couldn't
find it. So I will just add a second static port on the plane. I
don't know why they jumped in price so much, it's just crazy. I'm
thinking about getting into this business!! Gretz Aero makes the
adapter kits for the RV. I will actually start installing the pitot
tube this week. I just finished the fuel tanks last night. I am so
glad to be done with that. It isn't hard, it just takes a lot of time
and is messy.
I have seen that Dynon now offers a heated pitot tube for $299 but I
don't know if it only works with their system. I called Van's and asked
them about heated pitot tubes and they talked to me like I was crazy to
even think about it. Oh well, I think they look a lot nicer than just a
bent piece of 1/4" tubing.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Heated Pitot
All,
Does anyone have a recommendation for a heated pitot tube? Make, model,
and retailer?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
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Subject:
Heated Pitot
Date:
Jun 10, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
Can some one tell me why I can't use a heated pitot tube from a C-172
or C-182. I just called a local aircraft "junkyard" and if he has one
(very likely) it would cost $75.00 !!
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Randy's Abros mail" <randy(at)abros.com>
Subject:
Heated Pitot
Date:
Jun 10, 2004
You can but you have to make your own mount. I called Gretts Aero and his
mount won't work. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Heated Pitot
Can some one tell me why I can't use a heated pitot tube from a C-172
or C-182. I just called a local aircraft "junkyard" and if he has one
(very likely) it would cost $75.00 !!
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
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Subject:
Dimple lower tab on wing ribs
Date:
Jun 16, 2004
From:
"Conti, Rick" <rick.conti(at)boeing.com>
According to the instructions, we are to dimple the rear spar flange
holes that align with the ribs. We are also to dimple the rib flange
hole on the lower tab that connects to the spar flange. All went fine
until I got to the ribs with the flap hinges. Could not dimple the rib
with pneumatic squeezer.
How did everyone else accomplish this task?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Randy's Abros mail" <randy(at)abros.com>
Subject:
Dimple lower tab on wing ribs
Date:
Jun 16, 2004
My hand squeezer is a Tadco that I do not use very often but it works good
on some tight places. Also most of my dimple dies have one ground edge to
them for tight spots. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Dimple lower tab on wing ribs
According to the instructions, we are to dimple the rear spar flange
holes that align with the ribs. We are also to dimple the rib flange
hole on the lower tab that connects to the spar flange. All went fine
until I got to the ribs with the flap hinges. Could not dimple the rib
with pneumatic squeezer.
How did everyone else accomplish this task?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"MICHAEL KNOEBEL" <knoebels4(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Intro
Date:
Jul 02, 2004
I just joined your group this week and thought I'd introduce myself!
I am a pilot in Greeley, Colorado. Grew up in Algoma, Wisconsin (my dad went to
school at UW Oshkosh), so I've spent a few days at the EAA. I've always thought
it would be fun to build my own plane, but eventually the conversation in
my head ended with, "well, other people do that, not me".
This summer I've seen quite a few homebuilt planes, which got the juices flowing
again. Then I went to the Rocky Mountain EAA fly in and saw the plane I think
I'd want to build. An RV 10! If I build a plane, I'd want it to seat 4 (I
have two daughters who love spotting planes that fly by as much as I do!). I'd
like to take it back to Wisconsin to visit family - so I'd want a plane and
could handle cross country trips. It seems like the RV 10 fits all my criteria.
I thinking building my own plane would really help me understand how it works inside
and out. I am a teacher, so I have summers off as well as weekends and
holidays. So I would have chunks of time when I could work on it.
My friends have mixed reactions of course. From the jaw drops, to "we're never
going to be able to golf again", to "awesome, but is it safe???". But the one
that matters, my wife, loves the plane and is all for it! She has been supportive
of my flying, and she saw the RV 10 also and liked it.
So now comes the fun and hard part. The hard part - start putting money away and
saving for this. The good part is that I'll be able to buy it in parts, so
I can save a little buy a little, etc... The fun part, digging around for all
the information I can find. In the short time I have been subscribed here,
it seems like this is a very active group with lots of great info.
If anyone has any suggestions, websites to check out, people to talk to, advice,
etc. I'm very willing to learn! But for the most part, I'm going to keep reading
the posts here and learn from those of you who have built or are building
one!
Enough of the intro!
Mike Knoebel
Greeley, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Intro
Date:
Jul 02, 2004
From:
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
I'm not sure what all the garble is below, but this is what I tried to post:
I just joined your group this week and thought I'd introduce myself!
I am a pilot in Greeley, Colorado. Grew up in Algoma, Wisconsin (my dad went to
school at UW Oshkosh), so I've spent a few days at the EAA. I've always thought
it would be fun to build my own plane, but eventually the conversation in
my head ended with, "well, other people do that, not me".
This summer I've seen quite a few homebuilt planes, which got the juices flowing
again. Then I went to the Rocky Mountain EAA fly in and saw the plane I think
I'd want to build. An RV 10! If I build a plane, I'd want it to seat 4 (I
have two daughters who love spotting planes that fly by as much as I do!). I'd
like to take it back to Wisconsin to visit family - so I'd want a plane and
could handle cross country trips. It seems like the RV 10 fits all my criteria.
I thinking building my own plane would really help me understand how it works inside
and out. I am a teacher, so I have summers off as well as weekends and
holidays. So I would have chunks of time when I could work on it.
My friends have mixed reactions of course. From the jaw drops, to "we're never
going to be able to golf again", to "awesome, but is it safe???". But the one
that matters, my wife, loves the plane and is all for it! She has been supportive
of my flying, and she saw the RV 10 also and liked it.
So now comes the fun and hard part. The hard part - start putting money away and
saving for this. The good part is that I'll be able to buy it in parts, so
I can save a little buy a little, etc... The fun part, digging around for all
the information I can find. In the short time I have been subscribed here,
it seems like this is a very active group with lots of great info.
If anyone has any suggestions, websites to check out, people to talk to, advice,
etc. I'm very willing to learn! But for the most part, I'm going to keep reading
the posts here and learn from those of you who have built or are building
one!
Enough of the intro!
Mike Knoebel
Greeley, CO
----- Original Message -----
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA)<mailto:bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Intro
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From:
LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date:
Jul 04, 2004
Subject:
Flat rating an engine
Hi All,
Just a general observation.
Let's say there is a 350 hp engine available that weighted the same as the
Lycoming IO-540 for the RV-10.
Van says the RV-10 is 260 hp maximum. Period.
For the 350 hp engine running at maximum RPM, there is a manifold pressure,
above idle and below full throttle, were it is putting out 260 hp.
By limiting the manifold pressure to a maximum value below full throttle, you
will only get 260 hp for take off and climb.
Now as you climb, you can hold the manifold pressure at this maximum value.
Still just getting 260 hp. Until you get high enough that you can't hold that
manifold pressure.
I realize this isn't how we normally run reciprocating engines.
However, in the turbine world this is very common to protect the turbine
engine gear box. I believe it's called "flat rating" the engine.
Jim Ayers
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Intro
Date:
Jul 06, 2004
From:
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Hi Michael,
Not sure what went wrong with my first reply but welcome to the group.
You will find that (for whatever reason) most of the RV-10 crowd is on
Yahoo Groups at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV10/
Also, here's a few websites of builders that I've collected.
http://canopyroad.org/rv10/http://www.myrv10.com/BobThompson/index.htmlhttp://www.rv10project.net/http://members.cox.net/rvator/http://www.brinkmeyers.net/AirplaneBuilding.htmhttp://www.mcclowsrv10.com/http://www.etigerrr.com/RV10HomePage.htmhttp://www.rv10.org/http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/http://www.myrv10.com/
All of the above will give you lots of pictures to drool over, the Yahoo
list will provide plenty of reading and also has files & picture areas.
Mike Howe's web site (http://www.etigerrr.com/RV10HomePage.htm) has a
lot of photos of step by step work with associated builder's manual
pages although it hasn't been updated for a while. I admire those that
have built and maintain web sites - I decided early on that I'd spend my
time building instead.
Enjoy!
Bob RV-10 #40105
Almost ready to seal wing tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL
KNOEBEL
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Intro
I'm not sure what all the garble is below, but this is what I tried to
post:
I just joined your group this week and thought I'd introduce myself!
I am a pilot in Greeley, Colorado. Grew up in Algoma, Wisconsin (my dad
went to school at UW Oshkosh), so I've spent a few days at the EAA.
I've always thought it would be fun to build my own plane, but
eventually the conversation in my head ended with, "well, other people
do that, not me".
This summer I've seen quite a few homebuilt planes, which got the juices
flowing again. Then I went to the Rocky Mountain EAA fly in and saw the
plane I think I'd want to build. An RV 10! If I build a plane, I'd
want it to seat 4 (I have two daughters who love spotting planes that
fly by as much as I do!). I'd like to take it back to Wisconsin to
visit family - so I'd want a plane and could handle cross country trips.
It seems like the RV 10 fits all my criteria.
I thinking building my own plane would really help me understand how it
works inside and out. I am a teacher, so I have summers off as well as
weekends and holidays. So I would have chunks of time when I could work
on it.
My friends have mixed reactions of course. From the jaw drops, to
"we're never going to be able to golf again", to "awesome, but is it
safe???". But the one that matters, my wife, loves the plane and is
all for it! She has been supportive of my flying, and she saw the RV 10
also and liked it.
So now comes the fun and hard part. The hard part - start putting money
away and saving for this. The good part is that I'll be able to buy it
in parts, so I can save a little buy a little, etc... The fun part,
digging around for all the information I can find. In the short time I
have been subscribed here, it seems like this is a very active group
with lots of great info.
If anyone has any suggestions, websites to check out, people to talk to,
advice, etc. I'm very willing to learn! But for the most part, I'm
going to keep reading the posts here and learn from those of you who
have built or are building one! Enough of the intro!
Mike Knoebel
Greeley, CO
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA)<mailto:bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Heated Pitot Tube Mounting Bracket
ACS? Didn't see that on the page I read. Do you have a web address?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) [mailto:bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com]
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Heated Pitot Tube Mounting Bracket
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I assume that he's still in business - I ordered a Gretz mount from ACS
a couple months ago.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Heated Pitot Tube Mounting Bracket
Does anyone know the status of Warren Gretz? I called the phone number
from the web site, but it's been disconnected.
Anyone have any knowledge on mounting brackets for a heated pitot tube
from a C-172 to an RV-10?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Manager Systems Engineering
Strategic Initiatives
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
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From:
TColeE(at)aol.com
Date:
Jul 14, 2004
Subject:
Re: Heated Pitot Tube Mounting Bracket..Gertz change of address
http://www.gretzaero.com Called him last mo and had him ship me a bracket.
Las I heard he is still working on heated Pitot tube.
Terry
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From:
Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com>
Subject:
Gretz Aero Heated Pitot Tubes and Mounting Brackets
Date:
Jul 16, 2004
Hello Builders,
We have been off of this list for some time, but wanted to let you know we are
still making and selling parts for your aircraft. We have been in the process
of moving our operation from Colorado to Idaho for the past several months. With
luck, we should be settled into our new location in Idaho by the end of the
first week of August.
Meanwhile, our Heated Pitot Tube Mounting Bracket Kits are still very popular and
we been keeping very busy producing them. We do want to let everyone know that
we will need to increase our prices slightly, effective the 1st of August.
This increse is due to our raw material costs going up and also shipping charges
that have been going up over the past two years. We have tried to keep from
raising prices as long as we can, but now need to do so. Sorry.
GOOD NEWS is that we are getting very close to having our NEWEST Gretz Aero designed
product available! It is the GA-1000. This is a heated pitot tube that is
a totaly new design. It is completely different than any pitot before.
The Gretz Aero heated pitot tube is called the GA-1000 and will look nearly
like the PH502-12CR pitot tube except the GA-1000 will be black in color, and it
will be lighter in weight than any other heated pitot tube on the market. The
GA-1000 will be what we are calling a "smart" pitot tube. It
will give the pilot feedback as to its operation on the panel. It will also
be very energy conserative and be excellent installed in an aircraft with a
small altanator in the electrical system. The only bad part is, it is not
available yet. We plan on having it available very soon, if production does
not throw us a problem. It has taken us MUCH MUCH longer to get this project
done than we ever dreamed it would. The TARGET price on the GA-1000 is +/- $325
depending upon final production costs. This price will include shipping charges
in the US.
There are a number of builders that are purchasing our mounting bracket kit,
which was designed for the PH502-12CR pitot, (which has been available for
years), this same bracket kit will also fit the new GA-1000. Once the mounting
bracket is installed in your aircraft, the GA-1000 pitot tube can be installed
at a later date when it is available. Other pitot tubes that are now available,
will also fit into the same mounting bracket as well as the GA-1000.
We will make as big a splash as we can on our website, http://www.gretzaero.com , and this List, when the new Gretz Aero GA-1000 heated pitot tube product is available. There will be a page on the Gretz Aero website that will cover this product in great detail.
I hope this information helps you.
Your can place orders with Gretz Aero on the gretzaero.com website, print out the
printable order form on the order page of the website and mail, or call the
phone numbers below.
If you want to reply to us about this message posting, please do so directly to
my e-mail address below and not on the LIST.
Good Building to you!
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
15405 Bates Creek Rd.
Oreana, ID 83650
warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com
http://www.gretzaero.com
720-308-0010
208-834-2312
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
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Subject:
Fuselage
Date:
Jul 20, 2004
From:
"Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Has anyone received their fuselage yet? Any pictures?
I should receive mine while I'm in Oshkosh and would like to have an
idea of how big the boxes are going to be.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
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Subject:
Fuselage
Date:
Jul 20, 2004
From:
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
For whatever reason, most of the RV-10 list activity is on the RV-10
Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV10:
From: "rvator" <rvator@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: [RV10] Fuselage kit
The crate was 48 by 50 by 96 inches and weight was 550 pounds.
$465 shipping to Phoenix.
Bob #40105
Fuselage right after OSH
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Has anyone received their fuselage yet? Any pictures?
I should receive mine while I'm in Oshkosh and would like to have an
idea of how big the boxes are going to be.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
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From:
"Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Fuselage
Date:
Jul 20, 2004
Hi Scott, I recieved my fuselage last Fri. The appx dimensions were
5'(H)x4'(W)x8'(L) and weighs about 590lbs. I parked it in my driveway,
opened it up and stored the contents in my garage. Everything is fairly
manageable, however ,the cabin top is included and it is awkward. It's appx
3x4x7 and is the largest piece in the box. I just managed to squeeze it
through the front door and lean it up against a wall. Vans recommended
keeping it out of the heat as much as possible. I had some parts and
hardware missing ( items not on the inventory, but in the plans). I talked
to vans yesterday and there working on it. For example, right side brakes
are standard with the 10. I only recieved two rudder pedals and two master
cyl, yet got other parts for the right side. I'm already into the first few
pages and have discovered hardware callouts ( special screws) that are in
the plans but not on the inventory list and I didn't get them. I don't mean
to sound critical, just a heads up in case you discover the same. For what
its worth, start slowly on this kit. I was so anxious to get started after a
few months of waiting that i made a few minor mistakes the first day. The
worst part is that they were on that precious fuselage spar. the first few
steps are to modify it!! (yikes). It's not easy to remedy since those spars
are matched to each other. By the way, you get windows too! Happy building.
Mark Chamberlain ( Temecula, CA)
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From:
"Randy's Abros mail" <randy(at)abros.com>
Subject:
Fuselage
Date:
Jul 21, 2004
I second that Mark. I had the same issue with parts missing as you and have
received most of them so far. We had an accident with my Firewall and had
to buy a new one. I was 107.00. They told us that a new epoxy lid is
4000.00. Don't break it. I am uploading some photos of my progress on the
fuse kit. The plans are 189 pages or so on the fuse kit. In working
through them I think that if they had use 250 pages or so there would be
less steps combined on each page and the clarity of the tail and wing
instructions would come through. I have found the previous plans VERY EASY
TO FOLLOW as long as you took your time and understood each step as you
went. The fuse plans don't make things as easy. Go very slow! I was
tripped up by the direction of the 470 series rivets on the rear spar bars.
As it turns out it doesn't make any difference. I am to the point were I can
see this fuse taking shape. Randy 40006.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage
