RV8-Archive.digest.vol-ak
January 12, 2007 - October 20, 2007
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Wow the wx look really bad there this weekend. We are scheduled to go
commercial to Tulsa and van up to Independence on Sun. If the wx
guessers are even close, it ain't gunna happen that way.
Signing off for about 10 days. Enjoyed the dialogue. Good luck with
getting the wings on order.
gaio
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as
an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be
fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
- The RV8-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List> - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
Welcome! I find the RV list to be my 'builders' group. Some of us get
carried away sometimes about politics, religion, and primer (not necessarily
in that order) but you won't find a better group of helpful, knowledgeable
and friendly nuts (we build airplanes in our garage case closed). The
archives are a first stop for information but don't sweat it if you ask
something dumb.
Mostly, enjoy the journey. I have lost count of the times I couldn't sleep
or something was bothering me and I would grab a cup of coffee and a fresh
piece of toast and head to the garage. Nothing like working on a dream to
clear the mind and ease the load.
Now, let me tell you what primer you should use..
Vince H.
RV8 SB - Finish (Baffled by baffles)
Aerosport 180, 3 blade Catto Prop (if I ever get it), Dynon D180, upholstery
by Sharon (my wife) and interior paint by Krylon (check archives),
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing!
Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR(at)msn.com> |
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it comes
with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch. It make
cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the stiffeners in
the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is the Ryobi 5 inch
disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes quick work of
straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and rounding off
the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for the disc. It
is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long edges of the
rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the finely
scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall<mailto:smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
gator?RV8-List>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Wings Purchase is Finally Here |
| From: | "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net> |
Well we have finally reached the next step.....I am ordering the wings
on Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am ordering them since Baron is in the Middle East somewhere right now
or HE would be sending in THE order.
Stephanie Marshall
www.rv-8.info <http://www.rv-8.info/>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Prestin" <wprestin(at)charterinternet.com> |
Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late
90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power
plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq
situation. Hope it all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to
Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it
is to Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small
metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the
project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go
faster and smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell....
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs
as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should
be fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and
time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info ....if
you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help.
This was Baron's project for the most part though and I was just another
set of hands.
Stephanie
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com - The RV8-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List - NEW MATRONICS
WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com> |
I am happy with my RV8 project - we just joined the wings this weekend.
Vans makes the simplest and safest products out there (safety driven by the
conservative design and the thousands of flying samples).
The key is to look at your mission. I wanted spacious, economical fast and
aerobatic. All for under $10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities:
safety, something I could accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin), fun
over comfort, all glass (could be in any design). Then go match designs to
your expectations. The RV8 is a compromize for aerobatics - but it is much
more useful than a C150 Aerobat - you can do all the same aerobatics, but
with the bubble canopy and performance it feels like a fighter. And you can
still do cross countries at 185+K
I keep buying tools. Some have proven to be a waste, others are
surprizingly useful. The basic tool kits from Avery Tools, and others, give
you most all you need. I have a bandsaw - used it once. A hand hacksaw is
better for me. I bought an 8" bench sander (combo belt, disk). It was $70
- probably the most useful tool I have. Bought a rivet squeezer on eBay.
After I repaired it, it cost more than a new one. And we seldom use it.
Now, I wish I had a 90 degree drill when we mounted the empennage, but I got
by without it.
One thing is certain, you can never have too many cleco pliers, steel rules,
and blue sharpie pens.
Vans tour is pleasant, but you will learn more cruising this list and
linking to some of the other sites, like Kevin Hortons or at
www.kitlogpro.com
Dan
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Prestin
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late 90's
early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power plants. I
bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq situation. Hope it
all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to Oregon
for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it is to
Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small metal
cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the project. Are
there any other power tools that make the construction go faster and
smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell....
Steph
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as an
AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be fun
if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order hopefully in
the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty for the QB
fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip home to Oregon to
see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know. If
you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff to the
trailer.
Steph
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here <http://www.rv-8.info/>
www.rv-8.info ....if you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I
will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most part though and I
was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing!
Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
- The RV8-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List>
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FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't
used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking
the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit
sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates)
and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one
per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the
metal he said....we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100...I don't
remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Made it as far as Houston on this trip to Independence KS for the G1000
checkout.
3 inches of ice on the runway reported by the Cessna people. I came home
as it appeared unworkable this week.
Gail peck
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Wow the wx look really bad there this weekend. We are scheduled to go
commercial to Tulsa and van up to Independence on Sun. If the wx
guessers are even close, it ain't gunna happen that way.
Signing off for about 10 days. Enjoyed the dialogue. Good luck with
getting the wings on order.
gaio
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as
an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be
fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
- The RV8-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List> - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
Evil, you just opened the proverbial can of worms ... PRIMER!! :-)
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't
used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking
the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit
sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Thanks for the tips Bill.
I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works
great.
Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders.
Gail Peck
Aka evil
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it comes
with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch. It make
cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the stiffeners in
the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is the Ryobi 5 inch
disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes quick work of
straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and rounding off
the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for the disc. It
is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long edges of the
rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the finely
scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
c
om/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this
project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife
through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ...
I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one?
Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great.
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tips Bill.
I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works
great.
Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders.
Gail Peck
Aka evil
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-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it
comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch.
It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the
stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is
the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes
quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and
rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for
the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long
edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the
finely scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.
matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick DeCramer" <diesel(at)rconnect.com> |
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet
has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual
and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel
the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they
do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum
should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material
is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but
I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated.
Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more
cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar
stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther
along on the more modern kits can advise on this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel
on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X
Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c"
frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal
household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press
& bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and
totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush
fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available.
I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right
angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping
list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop
even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they
fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but havent used it yet
on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one
side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the
#30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any
AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement
and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective
coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in
place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Thanks Don.
Just bought a squeezer on EBay. Still need to add a couple dies to make
it functional. Seems to work great from what I can tell.
Gail
Aka evil
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this
project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife
through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ...
I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one?
Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great.
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tips Bill.
I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it.
Works great.
Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders.
Gail Peck
Aka evil
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade
it comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch.
It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the
stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is
the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes
quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and
rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for
the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long
edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the
finely scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the
United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't
need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin
snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot
for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the
HS main spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely
admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
c
om/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.
com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Great tips Dick. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.
Gail peck
Aka evil
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in
Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded
angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is
the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I
do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification
numbers top help determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop
and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning
more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern
kits can advise on this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery
operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer,
assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun
for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already
have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With
this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the
RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash
in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are
readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer
but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way
down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an
airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be
struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but
haven't used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement
bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match
drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts
together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about
applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed.
Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400
grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
________________________________
<>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Schad" <schad(at)cooke.net> |
I finished my RV-8 QB a little over a year ago and have been enjoying
flying it ever since. One of the handiest things in my shop for making
those small parts is a Sears bench mounted one inch belt sander. I
used it to smooth edges, round corners etc. A 90 degree head drill was
also useful at times. I have a 45 degree head drill and found it wasn't
needed and hard to use at times. I didn't buy a pneumatic squeezer, but
I think it would have been nice to have had although not a necessity.
Primer on everything is good, especially on the non alclad material. I
primed the entire inside of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers as
well as the elevator and rudder. Pretty hard to inspect for corrosion
in the future. (A common problem with the Swift for the same reason)
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick DeCramer
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in
Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded
angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is
the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I
do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification
numbers top help determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop
and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning
more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern
kits can advise on this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery
operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer,
assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun
for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already
have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With
this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the
RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the
cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most
are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic
squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic
unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to
build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will
needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but
haven't used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement
bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match
drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts
together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking
the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit
sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Gregory" <sgregory(at)best.com> |
Wait! Did somebody say PRIMER?
Steve Gregory
RV-8QB
Livermore, CA
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Evil, you just opened the proverbial can of worms ... PRIMER!! :-)
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD
Training
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used
it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into
one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process
with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to
any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of
the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that
protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting
them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and
he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say,
just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he
said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand
but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing!
Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Moreau <jmoreau2(at)cox.net> |
I primed mine before I riveted the piece together. When they talk of
protective coating I believe that they are referring to the alclad.
Anthing that isn't alclad should have a coat of primer to protect it.
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
wrote:
> Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but
> haven=92t used it yet on this project.
>
>
> I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement
> bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the
> match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two
> parts together.
>
>
> One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
> primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed.
> Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with
> 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys
> primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
>
>
> Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
>
>
> Gail peck
>
>
> Aka Evil
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
> Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don=92t need an
> expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips
> tend to deform the metal he said=85.we got our bandsaw at Home Depot
> for ~$100=85I don=92t remember the brand but it isn=92t a fancy one.
>
>
> Stephanie
>
> www.rv-8.info
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD
> Training
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: New Start
>
>
> Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory
> is complete!
>
>
> Am about to start Step 1, =93breaking=94 the edges for the HS main
spar
> reinforcements.
>
>
> Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
> nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
>
>
> nvrv8builder
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> ========================
> ========================
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr> |
I don=92t aim to start another prime and/or corrosion war. One good
reason I
prime 2024 sheet is that it gives it good mechanical protection since
the AL
cladding is very soft. The mere act of looking at it will probably
scratch
it. What=92s more, as soon as you start handling 2024 sheet, bending it,
drilling into it, deburring it, you end up with lots of spots where the
pure
Al cladding has been removed. Hence to play it safe, I prime.
Furthermore,
there is a psychological element also. If and when you sell the
airplane,
It=92s having been primed will most probably increase its resale value.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: mardi 16 janvier 2007 19:55
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024
sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's
Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle.
Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the
purpose
of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly
prime
it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help
determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an
RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown
more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and
noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally
more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more
fabrication.
Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on
this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite
wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated
screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted
files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for
priming.
I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only
marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally
built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in
130
hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash
in
a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are
readily
available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do
have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on
my
future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane,
not
to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here.
Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven=12t
used
it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into
one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process
with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to
any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges
of
the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes
that
protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before
putting
them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
_____
<>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net> |
Hi Bill,
We lived in Corvallis and went to Aurora 2 or 3 times....it isn't that
long of a drive.
I have to put in one plug though the DRDT-2 is worth it's weight in gold
IMO. (http://www.experimentalaero.com/DRDT-2.htm) it makes a much more
uniform hole and makes life SO MUCH BETTER!!!! We started out with the
good old standby the C-Frame, but we got the DRDT-2 a little while ago
and LOVE IT!!
Cheers
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Prestin
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late
90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power
plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq
situation. Hope it all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to
Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it
is to Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small
metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the
project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go
faster and smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does
Baron do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent
26yrs as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and
MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout.
Should be fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$
and time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me
know. If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your
stuff to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here
www.rv-8.info <http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific
questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's
project for the most part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the
HS main spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely
admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com>
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.
com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Longreron |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Thread Friends, I'm new to the list. My question is concerning the 887 upper
longreon. When it is completed how long should it have been before bending
? I purschased a started kit and the former owner had messed up the pair that
came with the kit and he had purchased replacments from Spruce. I measured from
fire wall to rear bulkhead on the jig and it comes to about 182 inches. DWG
21 shows the length as 125 inches. Something don't make sense. Best regards,
Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 2:57 AM
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________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I don=92t aim to start another prime and/or corrosion war. One good
reason I
prime 2024 sheet is that it gives it good mechanical protection since
the AL
cladding is very soft. The mere act of looking at it will probably
scratch
it. What=92s more, as soon as you start handling 2024 sheet, bending it,
drilling into it, deburring it, you end up with lots of spots where the
pure
Al cladding has been removed. Hence to play it safe, I prime.
Furthermore,
there is a psychological element also. If and when you sell the
airplane,
It=92s having been primed will most probably increase its resale value.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: mardi 16 janvier 2007 19:55
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024
sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's
Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle.
Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the
purpose
of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly
prime
it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help
determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an
RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown
more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and
noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally
more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more
fabrication.
Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on
this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite
wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated
screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted
files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for
priming.
I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only
marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally
built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in
130
hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash
in
a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are
readily
available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do
have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on
my
future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane,
not
to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here.
Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven=12t
used
it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into
one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process
with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to
any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges
of
the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes
that
protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before
putting
them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
_____
<>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
Hi Bill,
We lived in Corvallis and went to Aurora 2 or 3 times....it isn't that
long of a drive.
I have to put in one plug though the DRDT-2 is worth it's weight in gold
IMO. (http://www.experimentalaero.com/DRDT-2.htm) it makes a much more
uniform hole and makes life SO MUCH BETTER!!!! We started out with the
good old standby the C-Frame, but we got the DRDT-2 a little while ago
and LOVE IT!!
Cheers
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Prestin
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late
90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power
plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq
situation. Hope it all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to
Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it
is to Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small
metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the
project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go
faster and smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does
Baron do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent
26yrs as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and
MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout.
Should be fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$
and time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me
know. If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your
stuff to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here
www.rv-8.info <http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific
questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's
project for the most part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the
HS main spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely
admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com>
- The RV8-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List> - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
..
com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Longreron |
| From: | "rv8builder287" <mrwrj(at)comcast.net> |
The 125 you are seeing on Drawing 21 is the thickness of Longeron 287. The decimal
point is missing. It should show .125 which is 1/8 of an inch thick. The
length is 15 feet 2 inches which equates to 182 inches.
Bill of Ann Arbor, Michigan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88905#88905
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Longreron |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Bill, thanks for clearing that up. I had measured 182 inches on the jig, but I
just wasn't sure what I was seeing. Appreciate the help, best regards, Bill of
georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: mrwrj(at)comcast.net
Sent: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Longreron
The 125 you are seeing on Drawing 21 is the thickness of Longeron 287. The
decimal point is missing. It should show .125 which is 1/8 of an inch thick.
The length is 15 feet 2 inches which equates to 182 inches.
Bill of Ann Arbor, Michigan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88905#88905
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Baffle fabric upper cowl and ramp intersection |
I haven't a clue as to how to route the fabric near the intake for the RV8
along the intersection of the upper cowl and the cowl ramp..
Specificially, does the fabric follow the curve of the ramp or do I cut away
a part of the ramp so that the fabric makes continuous contact with the
upper cowl.
The plans that come with the baffle kit from Van's are seriously lacking in
detail as regards how ALL the pieces come together in the front on an RV8.
A picture of the side baffles complete would be great.
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8 - SB Finish
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Sears" <rasears(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baffle fabric upper cowl and ramp intersection |
Vincent, You need to order the $7.00 baffle plans,as they have alot of
the missing info that the baffle kit lacks. On the front vertical area
you don't need the rubber material. Just bring the top rubber baffle
forward until its even with the front. R Sears RV-8
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent S. Himsl
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Baffle fabric upper cowl and ramp intersection
I haven't a clue as to how to route the fabric near the intake for the
RV8 along the intersection of the upper cowl and the cowl ramp..
Specificially, does the fabric follow the curve of the ramp or do I
cut away a part of the ramp so that the fabric makes continuous contact
with the upper cowl.
The plans that come with the baffle kit from Van's are seriously
lacking in detail as regards how ALL the pieces come together in the
front on an RV8.
A picture of the side baffles complete would be great.
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8 - SB Finish
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
1/26/2007
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Baffle fabric upper cowl and ramp intersection |
Vince,
Send me (or post) your email address and I'll send some pictures off
list.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, 80 Hours
St. Charles, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent S. Himsl
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Baffle fabric upper cowl and ramp intersection
I haven't a clue as to how to route the fabric near the intake for the
RV8 along the intersection of the upper cowl and the cowl ramp..
Specificially, does the fabric follow the curve of the ramp or do I
cut away a part of the ramp so that the fabric makes continuous contact
with the upper cowl.
The plans that come with the baffle kit from Van's are seriously
lacking in detail as regards how ALL the pieces come together in the
front on an RV8.
A picture of the side baffles complete would be great.
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8 - SB Finish
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
Dear Thread Friends, I'm at the point on the left wing of riveting on the
bottom skins. Should I put the pitot mast on now or can it be installed after I
paint and get it to the hanger ? Is there any reason why I could not defer
until later ? best regards, Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
I did the vans tubing fittings and tube type while working on the wings,
changed to the mast type later during the
project, dynon type aoa , wished I would have done it before while I had
better access, working under the wing
is not as much fun, but I would not do it after paint. get it done now..
Danny..
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pitot Mast
Dear Thread Friends, I'm at the point on the left wing of riveting on
the bottom skins. Should I put the pitot mast on now or can it be
installed after I paint and get it to the hanger ? Is there any reason
why I could not defer until later ? best regards, Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ALBERT THOMAS" <althomas454(at)msn.com> |
Bill,
If you are going to put the mast into the bay where the tie down mount is,
it can be done later. I think it would be difficult but it can be done. I'm
just about to rivet the outboard aft bottom skin on
my left wing and I'm glad it's already installed. It was pretty easy to
intsall with the skin free. I did mount it one bay outboard of the tie down
and don't think that's possible as a "retrofit" after the skin is riveted
into place.
Al Thomas
RV-8A QB (fuselage)
>From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pitot Mast
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:50:59 EST
>
>Dear Thread Friends, I'm at the point on the left wing of riveting on the
>bottom skins. Should I put the pitot mast on now or can it be installed
>after I
>paint and get it to the hanger ? Is there any reason why I could not defer
>until later ? best regards, Bill
_________________________________________________________________
Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "weride" <weride(at)surewest.net> |
The real answer is if you are going Van's standard Pitot it is of little
difference but if you go with a heated unit by all means do it now
before you rivet on the skins
Best regards
RV8A ..... N60TD
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Listers,
Has anybody out there ever sucessfully mounted an oil cooler on the firewall
of an 8? If so do you have pictures? I saw one on a 6 today. Not sure if
there is room on our firewalls but if so I would sure like to do it that way
rather than on the back baffle.
Dennis Flosi
N963DF finishing kit
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| From: | Wally Rojem <wally(at)blacksky.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Check out Greg Hales RV8 web site under engine installation.
On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:09 PM, DONKEYVET(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Listers,
> -
> Has anybody out there ever-sucessfully mounted an oil cooler on the
> firewall of an 8? If so do you have pictures? I saw one on a 6 today.
> Not sure if there is room on our firewalls but if so I would sure like
> to do it that way rather than on the back baffle.
> -
> Dennis Flosi
> N963DF- finishing kit
>
>
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| From: | "crunk12" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Dennis,
I mounted mine on the right side of the firewall and have had no
problems to date. I initially used the positech but quickley found that
it did not work. I got the harrison/stewart warner 10599 and all has
been well. I live near Atlanta and have flown my -8 out to Phoenix and
back in July with no problems.
You will have to make a plenum for the top of the cooler. I tig welded
an aluminum one for myself, but you could make a fiberglass one. I used
a three inch scat hose from the back of the baffling to the plenum. I
used 3/4" aluminum angle to mount the cooler at the top and bottom and
used long #10 bolts with compression tubes between the top and bottom
flanges of the cooler.
Contact me off-list and I'll send you a picture if I can find it or draw
you a sketch.
Jim Crunkleton
N802JD
crunk12(at)bellsouth.net
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Tail Kit for sale |
I have an RV8 tail kit for sale. Pre punched. Horizontal Stab. is completed.
Excellent workmanship. Includes electric trim kit. Stabilizer is crated and
ready to ship.
Jetjoc
859-361-9460
algrajek(at)msn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Rv8 Tail Kit for sale |
Sorry, Gang.
I forgot to list the price. Ill take $1000. I am in Lexington, Ky
Jetjoc
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Anybody with an RV-8 install the Bob Archer type com or vor antennas in their wingtips?
How have they performed ? How difficult were they to install ? Did you
buy or make your own ? I remember an article several years ago (maybe in Kitplanes?)
on how to make these antennas. Anybody have that article ? Hope to hear
from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a wings
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Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/14/07
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From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Rv8 Tail Kit for sale
Sorry, Gang.
I forgot to list the price. Ill take $1000. I am in Lexington, Ky
Jetjoc
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| From: | BERFlyer(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas |
Bill,
I installed an Archer wing tip comm antenna in my RV-8 for Comm 2. I have
a bent whip on the belly for Comm 1. I bought the antenna from Bob Archer
directly as a finished unit. You should install the antenna with as much
vertical orientation as possible given the limitations of the wing tip shape.
Several small pieces of foam block were used to support the antenna where it angled
up. I also attached three separate wires from the base of the antenna to the
wing end rib for a good ground.
The antenna overall works well, but does seem to suffer a bit depending on
the position of the aircraft to the other station. But overall still
acceptable. I use it mostly to monitor a second Comm Freq or pull in an AWOS while
I'm
talking to ATC or the local unicom.
Bruce Raymond
N488RV 250 hours
Annapolis, MD
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Bruce, thanks for the info, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: BERFlyer(at)aol.com
Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas
Bill,
I installed an Archer wing tip comm antenna in my RV-8 for Comm 2. I have a
bent whip on the belly for Comm 1. I bought the antenna from Bob Archer directly
as a finished unit. You should install the antenna with as much vertical
orientation as possible given the limitations of the wing tip shape. Several
small pieces of foam block were used to support the antenna where it angled up.
I also attached three separate wires from the base of the antenna to the wing
end rib for a good ground.
The antenna overall works well, but does seem to suffer a bit depending on the
position of the aircraft to the other station. But overall still acceptable.
I use it mostly to monitor a second Comm Freq or pull in an AWOS while I'm talking
to ATC or the local unicom.
Bruce Raymond
N488RV 250 hours
Annapolis, MD
________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "Richard Martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas |
Listers,
8 years ago when I finished my RV8, I used all of bob archer antennae.
They all work perfectly with 1400 hours in service with the exception
of the VHF Trans/receive antenna. In the wings I could only transmit
and receive approximately 10 to 15 miles and only in certain directions.
I finally gave up the idea of a concealed xmit antenna and installed a
Dorne and Margollin bent whip on the belly. It works perfect to this
day. I can transmit and receive with clarity up to 100 miles.
Dick Martin
R V8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
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To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip
Antennas
Anybody with an RV-8 install the Bob Archer type com or vor antennas
in their wingtips? How have they performed ? How difficult were they to
install ? Did you buy or make your own ? I remember an article several
years ago (maybe in Kitplanes?) on how to make these antennas. Anybody
have that article ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of
Georgia RV-8a wings
-----Original Message-----
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From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Rv8 Tail Kit for sale
Sorry, Gang.
I forgot to list the price. Ill take $1000. I am in Lexington, Ky
Jetjoc
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dick, thanks for the info on antennae. I'm neck deep in pro seal on the second
wing tank and trying to think ahead. I really don't mind the sticky mess, but
the smell is haunting. Best regards, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: martin(at)gbonline.com
Sent: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas
Listers,
8 years ago when I finished my RV8, I used all of bob archer antennae. They all
work perfectly with 1400 hours in service with the exception of the VHF Trans/receive
antenna. In the wings I could only transmit and receive approximately
10 to 15 miles and only in certain directions. I finally gave up the idea
of a concealed xmit antenna and installed a Dorne and Margollin bent whip on the
belly. It works perfect to this day. I can transmit and receive with clarity
up to 100 miles.
Dick Martin
R V8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Wingtip Antennas
Anybody with an RV-8 install the Bob Archer type com or vor antennas in their wingtips?
How have they performed ? How difficult were they to install ? Did you
buy or make your own ? I remember an article several years ago (maybe in Kitplanes?)
on how to make these antennas. Anybody have that article ? Hope to hear
from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a wings
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/14/07
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________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Rv8 Tail Kit for sale
Sorry, Gang.
I forgot to list the price. Ill take $1000. I am in Lexington, Ky
Jetjoc
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Fuel Tank Clamps |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Thread Friend & Builders, I'm about to install the rear baffle in my RV-8a
wing tank. The instructions mention using 'C' clamps and large spring clamps
to assist in squeezing the ProSel out and getting a better fit. I can't picture
where these clamps should go. Nose skin tip to baffle ? Side to side ? Anybody
got an idea ? I could use the advise to picture how these go, Thanks, Bill
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 2:57 AM
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| From: | "Heath Cherneski" <heath.cherneski(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Fuel Tank Clamps |
Hey Bill,
When installing the rear baffle on my tanks I cleco'd every rivet hole to
make sure I got a good fit and then removed every other cleco to begin
riveting. I squeezed these rivets since they were easy to access. I
inspected my fit after cleco to ensure I did not have any "bubbles" between
the skin and the baffle. I think the intent of the c-clamps was to ensure
your fit was smooth and flat (ie no "bubbles" or "bumps"). Also, if you can
ensure your pro-seal application is even along this seem, then you will have
a better fit as well. My buddy and I have completed four tanks (rv8 and
rv7) with no leaks. I erred on the side of no leaks when applying pro-seal
in this seam and so went a little heavy. However, I have no leaks. Anyway,
good luck. Hope this helps. My least favorite work so far has been with
pro-seal, followed closely by fiberglass work.
Heath Cherneski (RV8 82519) (no N number yet)
Enterprise, Al
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Fuel Tank Clamps
Dear Thread Friend & Builders, I'm about to install the rear baffle in my
RV-8a wing tank. The instructions mention using 'C' clamps and large spring
clamps to assist in squeezing the ProSel out and getting a better fit. I
can't picture where these clamps should go. Nose skin tip to baffle ? Side
to side ? Anybody got an idea ? I could use the advise to picture how these
go, Thanks, Bill
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 2:57 AM
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| From: | "Paul Rice" <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | VA132 Snorkel to cowl clearance |
Hey guys,
I just fit my horiz. induction snorkel to the engin and baffling, but
when I put the cowl bottom cowl on, it touches the lower front part of
the snorkel. Any suggestions, or am I just going to have to cut out a
piece out of the snorkel and make it smaller.
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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| From: | "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet(at)hotmail.com> |
Wish to obtain a Flight Manual useful for 180 hp injected RV-8 w/ fixed
pitch (85") Sensenich metal prop.
Thanks in advance for your help and/or suggestions.
Jack N8VZ taxiing tests, systems shakedown, corrections, etc,
etc.
_________________________________________________________________
Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft
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| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Request special fuel fittings installation procedure. |
Does anyone have the correct installation procedure for the special fuel
fittings with the embedded o-ring, washer and jam? Specifically for the
following:
KB-045
KB-090-T
AEL74070
I can find no reference to these fittings and the archives show that this
question has been asked, but no one has answered.
Thanks!
Vince Himsl
RV8-SB Finish
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| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Permatex anti-sieze vs fuel lube |
I have been using the Permatex anit-sieze compound on my AN- threads. One of
my carburetor fittings says use 'fuel lube'. Is there a 'significant'
difference between the two?
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8-SB Finsih
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| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Where is Everybody |
Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond. I'm almost
done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
**************************************
out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Where is Everybody |
Bill of Georga,
You're on the right list...As for me, pesky work keeps getting in the way of
building.
Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Where is Everybody |
Thanks, but who is "me" ? Thanks, Bill
**************************************
AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Where is Everybody |
Most have congregated here, Bill:
http://www.vansairforce.com/
I prefer the e-mail method for most quick questions, but we all need to
adapt with changing times, I guess ...
Good luck,
Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
I'm almost done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
*************ut more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where is Everybody |
You can also check out the Forums version of the Matronics Lists - same kind of
user interface, cross-posting between email/forums, and none of the advertisements.
Check it out:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=43
Actually, all of the Matronics Lists are available in Web Forum Format as well:
http://forums.matronics.com/
Check it out.
Matt
At 06:52 AM 3/21/2007 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Most have congregated here, Bill:
>
><http://www.vansairforce.com/>http://www.vansairforce.com/
>
>I prefer the e-mail method for most quick questions, but we all need to adapt
with changing times, I guess ...
>
>Good luck,
>
>Don McNamara
>N8RV
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com>JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
>Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about building
their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond. I'm almost done
with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>*************ut more about what's free from AOL at <http://www.aol.com>http://www.aol.com.
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Where is Everybody |
What part of Georgia?
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
I'm almost done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/21/07 |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
I live in Forsyth, about 25 miles north of Macon. I'm building my 8 in my shop
there. Question: when do you ProSeal the duct face to the bottom of the right
wing ? Is there any way to clamp it to the metal without drilling and dimpling
? Should the duct hose be connected at attachment or can I get to the rear of
the duct after the glue cures ? I hope to finish he wings this weekend. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 1:57 AM
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1. 06:33 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (DONKEYVET(at)aol.com)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (Don McNamara)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (Matt Dralle)
6. 06:32 PM - Re: Where is Everybody (Jerry Isler)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond. I'm
almost
done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
**************************************
out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Bill of Georga,
You're on the right list...As for me, pesky work keeps getting in the way of
building.
Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Thanks, but who is "me" ? Thanks, Bill
**************************************
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Most have congregated here, Bill:
http://www.vansairforce.com/
I prefer the e-mail method for most quick questions, but we all need to
adapt with changing times, I guess ...
Good luck,
Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
I'm almost done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
*************ut more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
You can also check out the Forums version of the Matronics Lists - same kind of
user interface, cross-posting between email/forums, and none of the
advertisements.
Check it out:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=43
Actually, all of the Matronics Lists are available in Web Forum Format as well:
http://forums.matronics.com/
Check it out.
Matt
At 06:52 AM 3/21/2007 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Most have congregated here, Bill:
>
><http://www.vansairforce.com/>http://www.vansairforce.com/
>
>I prefer the e-mail method for most quick questions, but we all need to adapt
with changing times, I guess ...
>
>Good luck,
>
>Don McNamara
>N8RV
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com>JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
>Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about building
their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond. I'm almost done
with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>*************ut more about what's free from AOL at <http://www.aol.com>http://www.aol.com.
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
From: "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
What part of Georgia?
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
I'm almost done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/21/07 |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I left a bucking bar resting on mine while the proseal curred. Yes, you
access the vent thru the nearby inspection hole.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> I live in Forsyth, about 25 miles north of Macon. I'm building my 8 in my
> shop there. Question: when do you ProSeal the duct face to the bottom of
> the right wing ? Is there any way to clamp it to the metal without
> drilling and dimpling ? Should the duct hose be connected at attachment or
> can I get to the rear of the duct after the glue cures ? I hope to finish
> he wings this weekend. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> To: rv8-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 1:57 AM
> Subject: RV8-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/21/07
>
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> 1. 06:33 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com)
> 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (DONKEYVET(at)aol.com)
> 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com)
> 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (Don McNamara)
> 5. 08:46 AM - Re: Where is Everybody (Matt Dralle)
> 6. 06:32 PM - Re: Where is Everybody (Jerry Isler)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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>
> From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
> Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
> building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
> I'm
> almost
>
> done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
> **************************************
> out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
> Bill of Georga,
> You're on the right list...As for me, pesky work keeps getting in the way
> of
> building.
>
>
> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
> Thanks, but who is "me" ? Thanks, Bill
>
>
> **************************************
>
> AOL at http://www.aol.com.
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
> Most have congregated here, Bill:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/
>
> I prefer the e-mail method for most quick questions, but we all need to
> adapt with changing times, I guess ...
>
> Good luck,
>
> Don McNamara
> N8RV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
>
> Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
> building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
> I'm almost done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill
> of Georgia
>
>
> *************ut more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
>
> You can also check out the Forums version of the Matronics Lists - same
> kind of
> user interface, cross-posting between email/forums, and none of the
> advertisements.
> Check it out:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=43
>
> Actually, all of the Matronics Lists are available in Web Forum Format as
> well:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/
>
> Check it out.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 06:52 AM 3/21/2007 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>Most have congregated here, Bill:
>>
>><http://www.vansairforce.com/>http://www.vansairforce.com/
>>
>>I prefer the e-mail method for most quick questions, but we all need to
>> adapt
> with changing times, I guess ...
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>Don McNamara
>>N8RV
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com>JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
>>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
>>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>>
>>Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
>> building
> their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond. I'm almost
> done
> with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>>
>>
>>*************ut more about what's free from AOL at
>> <http://www.aol.com>http://www.aol.com.
>
>>
>>
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>>
>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
> What part of Georgia?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Where is Everybody
>
>
> Hello, is it a secret, but where are all the RV-8 folks talking about
> building their planes? If I'm monitoring the wrong list please respond.
> I'm almost done with the wings and need some support, Best regards, Bill
> of Georgia
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bill of Georgia |
Bill,
My rear cockpit NACA duct is installed with proseal and rivets. I didn't try
to think of another way to do it - although there may be some way to clamp it.
My duct hose is not yet installed as I plan to install it after the wings are
on the fuselage. I'm also going to install one of my OATs in the underwing
duct.
Stan Sutterfield
Tampa, FL
_www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net)
I live in Forsyth, about 25 miles north of Macon. I'm building my 8 in my shop
there. Question: when do you ProSeal the duct face to the bottom of the right
wing ? Is there any way to clamp it to the metal without drilling and dimpling
? Should the duct hose be connected at attachment or can I get to the rear of
the duct after the glue cures ? I hope to finish he wings this weekend. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Dennis,
I mounted my oil cooler on the firewall and, although I haven't yet flown,
I'm convinced from studying other web sites and information posted on the
internet that my setup will be successful. I have the 11 row dual pass S&W, which
is larger than other coolers, so finding room on the firewall was challenging.
I focused on providing sufficient, unobstructed airflow into and out of the
cooler.
If you'd like photos I can send them (let me know) or you can view them on my
web site at _http://www.rv-8a.net/chronology.htm_
(http://www.rv-8a.net/chronology.htm) beginning on 8 Jan 07 and ending on 30 Jan 07. The page is very
long so you'll need high speed internet to view it in a reasonable amount of
time.
If you have questions about my installation feel free to contact me at
speedy11 at aol.com. Also, after I fly I will post info on my oil temps.
Stan Sutterfield
Has anybody out there ever sucessfully mounted an oil cooler on the firewall
of an 8? If so do you have pictures? I saw one on a 6 today. Not sure if there
is room on our firewalls but if so I would sure like to do it that way rather
than on the back baffle.
Dennis Flosi
N963DF finishing kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/25/07 |
Bill-
>I live in Forsyth, about 25 miles north of Macon. I'm building my 8 in my shop
>there. Question: when do you ProSeal the duct face to the bottom of the right
>wing ?
Whenever it's convenient...
>Is there any way to clamp it to the metal without drilling and dimpling
>?
Sure. Duct tape to locate it, and a block of wood wedged between the inlet and
the opposite skin to hold it tight.
>Should the duct hose be connected at attachment or can I get to the rear of
>the duct after the glue cures ?
I found it easier to have the duct attached during the gluing process.
FWIW-
Glen Matejcek
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/25/07 |
Hi Dennis
>Has anybody out there ever sucessfully mounted an oil cooler on the firewall
>of an 8? If so do you have pictures?
I hung mine from and between the enging mount tubes aircraft right. Angle on the
coler mounting flanges connects to the eng mount tubes with P clamps. There
is an aluminum angle strut from the upper eng mount tube to the outboard edge
of the cooler make it rock solid. A 4" scat picks off the right rear baffle
and makes about a 90 deg turn downward. This connects to a composite diffuser
that mounts to the face of the cooler.
So far, so good. We'll see how it works when it flies!
Glen Matejcek
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Vent Route |
RV-8 Builder Friends, which wing rib lightening hole should I route the rear
pax air vent hose through ? The drawings don't specify which hole and my hose
will go through even the smallest rib hole. I can't tell from the fuselage
drawing if it makes a difference, but so far everything makes a difference if
it's wrong. Hope to hear from someone, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
**************************************
See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Vent Route |
I am assuming you haven't built the fuselage yet.
The vent hole is @ 1 foot forward of the aft wing spar. You will be routing
the vent line through the second smallest hole.But!
You will probably mount the fuselage (pilot) vent first so I suggest you set
the vent tube aside until then as you don't know exactly the length you will
need.
Fact is, you will probably be well in to the finish kit before you return to
this. I have the engine installed, canopy done, etc. but my wings are still
hanging in the garage with the vent tube sticking out of the access ports
looking very dusty.
You will also want to install window screen material over the plastic
(excuse me.space age top quality composite) vents to keep out the critters.
Vince H. of Idaho
RV8 - VSB (very slow built) Finish
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Vent Route
RV-8 Builder Friends, which wing rib lightening hole should I route the rear
pax air vent hose through ? The drawings don't specify which hole and my
hose will go through even the smallest rib hole. I can't tell from the
fuselage drawing if it makes a difference, but so far everything makes a
difference if it's wrong. Hope to hear from someone, Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
just fixed my over heating 8A, moved f/wall mounted cooler to left uper baffle.
also set 1 washer in front of 32, rear#3 . temps dropped 40/50 degrees , It was
55-60 degrees during test and I was way to hot!! best of luck-- Speedy11(at)aol.com
wrote:
> Dennis,
> I mounted my oil cooler on the firewall and, although I haven't yet flown,
> I'm convinced from studying other web sites and information posted on the
> internet that my setup will be successful. I have the 11 row dual pass S&W,
which
> is larger than other coolers, so finding room on the firewall was challenging.
> I focused on providing sufficient, unobstructed airflow into and out of the
> cooler.
> If you'd like photos I can send them (let me know) or you can view them on my
> web site at _http://www.rv-8a.net/chronology.htm_
> (http://www.rv-8a.net/chronology.htm) beginning on 8 Jan 07 and ending on 30 Jan 07. The page is very
> long so you'll need high speed internet to view it in a reasonable amount of
> time.
> If you have questions about my installation feel free to contact me at
> speedy11 at aol.com. Also, after I fly I will post info on my oil temps.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
>
>
> Has anybody out there ever sucessfully mounted an oil cooler on the firewall
> of an 8? If so do you have pictures? I saw one on a 6 today. Not sure if there
> is room on our firewalls but if so I would sure like to do it that way rather
> than on the back baffle.
>
> Dennis Flosi
> N963DF finishing kit
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
300 hrs on firewall mounted Positech cooler from Van's, parallel valve
IO-360. Fed with 3" scat tube via rear baffle mounted butterfly valve.
Valve used to close off most air flow during cold weather flying. Hottest
temp ever was 230 after long climb out of Galveston Texas on a hot July day.
Most summer days oil temp never reaches 200.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A
RV-10 (wings)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:09 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there?
Listers,
Has anybody out there ever sucessfully mounted an oil cooler on the
firewall of an 8? If so do you have pictures? I saw one on a 6 today. Not
sure if there is room on our firewalls but if so I would sure like to do it
that way rather than on the back baffle.
Dennis Flosi
N963DF finishing kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Excuse me for butting-in here, Carl ... I'm building an 8 as well and
your setup sounds like something I could use and put it together right
the first time. Do you have pictures to send of how the oil cooler is
attached to the firewall?
Many thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
RV8A
Huntley IL
Hottest temp ever was 230 after long climb out of Galveston Texas on
a hot July day. Most summer days oil temp never reaches 200.
Carl Froehlich
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Ok, sent off list.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:57 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out
there?
Excuse me for butting-in here, Carl ... I'm building an 8 as well and
your setup sounds like something I could use and put it together right the
first time. Do you have pictures to send of how the oil cooler is attached
to the firewall?
Many thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
RV8A
Huntley IL
Hottest temp ever was 230 after long climb out of Galveston Texas on a
hot July day. Most summer days oil temp never reaches 200.
Carl Froehlich
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Any 8's with firewall mounted oil coolers out there? |
Good Morning Carl ...
I looked at your pics and must say you have done a great job of putting
the air where you need it. All of this while overcoming the "oops" of
not having the oil fill tube in the beginning. I've done stuff like
that but you did a great save of your "oops". I will refer to these
ideas when I begin the firewall mounting for my 8. Many thanks for
taking the time to send your pics.
Jerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Gas shocks for RV8 cargo door |
Hello,
Latest Cabela <http://www.cabelas.com/> 's catalog has Attwood gas shocks
for boat hatches and the like. Two sizes are offered, 5.25-7.5", and
9.5-15". I am thinking of using them for the cargo door on my RV8.
Price is right from airplane perspective but I have a couple of questions:
1. Has anyone tried gas shocks and if so what size would you recommend.
If an RV8, what positioning method/location did you use?
2. How does one determine how to mount them right the first time?
Thanks,
Vince H. - Idaho
RV8-VSB Finish
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Gas shocks for RV8 cargo door |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/01/baggage_door_sp.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Vince-Himsl wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Latest Cabela <http://www.cabelas.com/> 's catalog has Attwood gas shocks
> for boat hatches and the like. Two sizes are offered, 5.25-7.5", and
> 9.5-15". I am thinking of using them for the cargo door on my RV8.
>
>
> Price is right from airplane perspective but I have a couple of questions:
>
>
> 1. Has anyone tried gas shocks and if so what size would you recommend.
> If an RV8, what positioning method/location did you use?
> 2. How does one determine how to mount them right the first time?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Vince H. - Idaho
>
> RV8-VSB Finish
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/08/07 |
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
I'm a new guy to the list and I haven't broken the code on how to search
for subjects that may be available in the archives.
So, my question is, "Are there good plans for RV-8 quick build wing and
fuselage cradles?"
I am nearing completion of the tail section and starting to think about
the next step.
Thanks,
Gail Peck - - aka Evil
gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:58 PM
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| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/08/07 |
| From: | "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net> |
We are at the same place, and I will be HIGHLY documenting every part of
the RV-8 wing build.
Steph Marshall
www.rv-8.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/08/07
Training"
I'm a new guy to the list and I haven't broken the code on how to search
for subjects that may be available in the archives.
So, my question is, "Are there good plans for RV-8 quick build wing and
fuselage cradles?"
I am nearing completion of the tail section and starting to think about
the next step.
Thanks,
Gail Peck - - aka Evil
gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8- component storage |
Hi Gail-
Welcome aboard!
My wings are stored in an unfinished area of the house, which made it easy
to suspend them from the floor joists overhead. Each wing is in 2 saddles
made from rectangular carpet scraps with 2 x 2's attached to the short
ends. These saddles are suspended with ropes tied off to sinkers driven
into the joists. The whole arrangement was made entirely of scrap
materials, took maybe a half hour to fabricate, and has served it's purpose
for years (unfortunately!) with no issues.
For the fuselage, I mounted large castors to the wooden false / stub spars
that secured the fuse to it's shipping crate. I also attached a block of
wood to the tail wheel spring with a bolt through the bushing. Minimal
fuss, yet makes the fuselage easy to work on and move around the shop.
If either of these solutions do anything for you, I can send you pix direct.
Also, be sure to sign up for the RV list. There is much more traffic there
than here on the RV-8 list.
To search the archives, go to the Matronics home page and wander around
the web lists area. You'll find links to the browser as well as the search
engine. WRT the above, take a look at how your initial msg came through.
The first thing you will want to do is make sure you have an appropriate
subject line, so that others can reference / read / delete your postings as
appropriate to what they're looking for. The second is that if you are
getting the daily digest version of the lists, as I am, when you reply to
the list PLEASE only resend the quotes that are pertinent to your question
or answer. Otherwise, you may well be re-posting 80 messages if it's been
a busy day.
Good luck with the project, and don't be shy about asking questions- there
is an incredible wealth of knowledge and experience on these lists!
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | user01 <nightware(at)sasktel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/08/07 |
This might not make it to the list...
I'm building (standard) wing stand and cradles right now. Started tonight.
See dwg 12A. Looks like enough info - use the nose ribs and go oversize,
with a foam strip for chafing.
My rev is dated 10/5/00. Should do for the quickbuild as well.
-Howard McKay
-RV-8A, wings
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| Subject: | TruTrak pitch servo RV8 |
| From: | "Tom D" <weride(at)surewest.net> |
Anyone have any pictures of a TruTrak pitch servo installation for a RV8 with rear
battery mount?I just got my servo's and the installation drawings are more
than lacking. I was sent a new Bellcrank mount and it seems the way to mount
it is to have the servo protrude aft , past bulkhead F -808. The drawings do
not show any orientation , only the servo mounted to the new bellcrank mount.
There is no room for the servo and the battery if I try to mount the servo forward
of bulkhead F-808. Am I correct or am I missing something?
Tom D
RV8-A....40% N60TD(reserved)
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| From: | "William Slaughter" <wslaughter(at)houston.rr.com> |
| Subject: | TruTrak pitch servo RV8 |
The servo does indeed mount aft, protruding back past the F-808. The hardest
part of this deal was match drilling the new bellcrank/servo mount to the
existing rivet holes in the baggage compartment ribs on my quickbuild. I'm
not sure how I'd have done it without my newly acquired angle drill. After
careful measuring and check fitting, I drilled the forward-most hole on one
side of the new mount on the bench, then clecoed the assembly in place. I
used my laser to align the centerline of the mount assembly with the
centerline of the fuselage, clamped it down and starting match drilling from
underneath. Worked out fine, but what a pain. This task would be much easier
on a slow build. Some trimming of the F-808 flange was required.
William
RV-8QB Fuselage
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Subject: RV8-List: TruTrak pitch servo RV8
Anyone have any pictures of a TruTrak pitch servo installation for a RV8
with rear battery mount?I just got my servo's and the installation drawings
are more than lacking. I was sent a new Bellcrank mount and it seems the way
to mount it is to have the servo protrude aft , past bulkhead F -808. The
drawings do not show any orientation , only the servo mounted to the new
bellcrank mount. There is no room for the servo and the battery if I try to
mount the servo forward of bulkhead F-808. Am I correct or am I missing
something?
Tom D
RV8-A....40% N60TD(reserved)
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| From: | "weride" <weride(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TruTrak pitch servo RV8 |
Thanks William, as you say it looks like a pain thanks also for the idea how to
do it
Tom D
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| From: | Stephanie Marshall <steph_mar1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Wings officially started! |
Well the wings are in Kansas, and this weekend we were finally able to get them
started!!!
www.rv-8.org has all the details and pictures!!
Steph Marshall
www.rv-8.org
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | spinner to prop clearance |
Hello,
The plans say 1/16 to 1/8=94 gap clearance between spinner and prop
(catto
three blade)
My gap(s) are more like 1/8=94 to =BC=94
Are we talking aesthetics here or safety/performance?
Anyone per chance with the same gap (gaffe) and prop?
Thanks
Vince H. Finish
RV8-VSB
Estimated time of completion: 6 years ago.
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| From: | "Dick DeCramer" <diesel(at)rconnect.com> |
| Subject: | spinner to prop clearance |
Vince...
Most appear to be going for tighter clearances but I enlarged mine to 7/16" and
glad I did. The cowl is difficult enough to get off & on without scratching
the paint now without it being still tighter. I think the feeling here is some
efficiency (performance), mostly aesthetics, but not much maintainability.
My prop was a Sensenich FP but since converted to Hartzell CS.
Another popular close fit is around the tires on wheel fairings to improve aerodynamics
but I have seen many chaffed tires. I tried for a "thumb width" around
the tire and even enlarged it later to allow the tires room to flex. I did
chose ease of maintenance over a couple knots I built and this has served me
well.
Dick DeCramer
N500DD RV6
200 hours
Northfield, MN
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From: Vince-Himsl
Sent: 4/27/2007 8:49:53 PM
Subject: RV8-List: spinner to prop clearance
Hello,
The plans say 1/16 to 1/8 gap clearance between spinner and prop (catto three blade)
My gap(s) are more like 1/8 to
Are we talking aesthetics here or safety/performance?
Anyone per chance with the same gap (gaffe) and prop?
Thanks
Vince H. Finish
RV8-VSB
Estimated time of completion: 6 years ago.
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| From: | Brian Cross <bcross2160(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Wind Root Fairings - Nutplates |
Hi Folks
I was working on my wing root gap fairings on my 8 today. Where the
fairing is screwed onto the top & bottom wing skin, the plans on Dwg.
43 call for a K1000-08 nutplate & to machine countersink the
skins. In the wing tank area where the gap seals are attached to the
tank skins, the plans call for K11000-08 nut plates. This would of
course call for dimpling the skins to accept the AN509-8R8 screws, (
the same screw called out for the K1000-08 nutplates).
This does not seem right to me as the countersink depth from the top
of the screw to the end of the taper on the screw is about
0.080". This means that if you machine countersink the skins which
total about 0.050" in thickness, the holes are going to be huge all
the way through both skins, ( the holes will largest of course at the
outer skins & the inner skin will have a smaller but still a significant size).
It seems to me that all of these areas should be dimpled due to the
thinness of the total material. The documentation indicates for the
tank area, the skins be dimpled first & then if required, machine
countersink to complete it if the necessary dimple depth cannot be attained.
To add further confusion, I looked at my preview plans with the last
update of July 1998, all of these areas were specified to have
K1100-08 nutplates which as mentioned, to me that makes total sense.
I am obviously missing something here & would really appreciate any
help on this. Maybe I am being too fussy but I don't want to mess up
my wing skins at this stage of the game.
Thanks so much.
Brian Cross #81844 RV-8
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| From: | "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Blaine Aviation Weekend |
This is coming very soon but it should be a great fly-in. EAA Chapter
237
is having a fly-in pancake breakfast and lunch at Anoka County Airport
in
Blaine, MN on May 19th and 20th
Chapter 237's Famous Pancake Breakfast with sausage and beverage runs
from
7a.m. to noon and lunch of hamburgers, hot dogs and chili runs until
4p.m.
There are two really great aviation museums on the airport. Golden
Wings
Museum has a collection of beautifully restored vintage airplanes that
includes five trimotors. American Wings Air Museum has a collection of
warbirds from WWII to Dessert Storm. They also have a Wright Flyer
replica,
an original 1911 Steco biplane plus many other exhibits.
There was a Swift, an Ercoupe, a Luscombe T8-F plus a lot of other
vintage
airplanes, warbirds and the usual later model airplanes at last year's
event.
There will be a Hangar Dance Saturday evening with the Sights and Sounds
of
Dave Andrews Big Band. This has been a lot of fun for everyone that
attended in past years.
More can be found at www.eaachapter237.org
Thank you,
Lyle Peterson
President, EAA Chapter 237
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| From: | PeterHunt1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Zanon XRX antenna position |
I just purchased the Zaon XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System (PCAS) to
add traffic awareness to my cockpit. With it connected to my Garmin 396 I
want to move it (with its built in antenna) away from the recommended
glareshield mounting. For those of you with experience my question is will the
antenna work with it located other places such as below the glare shield or behind
my tip-up roll bar or on my lap (as long as it is 6" from any obstacle)? It
is a hard thing to test because it does not activate until you have climbed
200 feet and there must be another airplane nearby. I tried Zaon. They just
moved their operation and, consequently, their technical service is down for
a while.
Pete in Clearwater
RV-6, Sun 'n Fun 2006 Reserve Grand Champion Kit, 2007 Outstanding Aircraft
Homebuilt.
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| From: | George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | AN3-5A bolts In BAG 856-2 |
In BAG 856-2 LANDING GEAR KIT -8
For the RV-8 there are four AN3-5A bolts pluss nuts and
washers..
I do not know what these are for.They are not shown
on Drwg. 35!
--
George H. Inman
ghinman(at)mts.net
Home 204 287 8334
Cell 204 799 7062
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Dimple Question |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I reading 28a
(28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that have the working
ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804. Further, does that mean
that the remainder of the rivets along the bottom longren forward of 804 have
the working ends inside the cockpit ? Also, is there something simple (paper,
plan {other that Van's} written words, diagram, etc.) that shows or explains
precisely which holes are dimpled, their directions and whether to counter sink
or dimple ? Such a aid would really be valuable. Hope to hear from someone
before I screw up again, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | "Heath Cherneski" <heath.cherneski(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8- Dimple Question |
Bill of Georgia, the idea is to follow the rivet plan (can't remeber the
plans number) and only dimple those holes that call for a counter sunk
rivet. the 470 rivets will be covered by the wing and do not need to be
countersunk. i drove all rivets from the outside of the fuse, bucking on
the inside. you might want to circle the group of holes that do not get
dimpled ( i did as a reminder) so you don't have to spend time double,
triple and qusdruple checking the plans. good luck and happy rivetting!
Heath
N818HC
Enterprise, Alabama
On 5/21/07, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I
> reading 28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that have
> the working ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804. Further,
> does that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the bottom longrenforward
of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ? Also, is there
> something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's} written words, diagram,
> etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are dimpled, their
> directions and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a aid would really
> be valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw up again , Best
> regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
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| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8- Dimple Question |
Bill
95% of the rivets in the RV airplanes require dimpling. The few that
need countersinking will be obvious.
Note: there are ok dimple dies and there are GOOD dimple dies. I had
best luck with the spring back dies from Avery and Cleveland.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
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To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Dimple Question
Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I
reading 28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that
have the working ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804.
Further, does that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the
bottom longren forward of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ?
Also, is there something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's} written
words, diagram, etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are
dimpled, their directions and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a
aid would really be valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw
up again , Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8- Dimple Question |
Bill of Georgia,
You're not exactly getting your question answered, are you?
I do recall that there are about 5 rivets on each side that have the shop
head on the outside of the fuselage. I thought it a bit strange at the time,
but since mine is a QB, I assumed the Phillipinos had done it right.
My hard drive crashed, so the photos I had of the plans was lost, but I will
look at Dwg 28A at the shop today and confirm the info for you. In fact,
I'll take a photo to send you.
The Van's RV-8A builder's manual is sadly inadequate. I jokingly say it
says, "Build wing. Attach wing."
I wish Van's would rewrite it to be like the new RV-10 manual, but that is
unlikely.
Stan Sutterfield
_www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net)
Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I
reading 28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that
have the working ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804.
Further, does that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the
bottom longren forward of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ?
Also, is there something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's} written
words, diagram, etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are
dimpled, their directions and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a
aid would really be valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw
up again , Best regards, Bill of Georgia
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Dimple Question |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Stan, thanks for the info. Yes, I think if you have already built an 8a the
plans would probably be clear and sufficient, but to a slow county boy they
border on Greek in some ways. I found a photo I took at S n F of a 8a bottom
and it shows a fiberglass cover for the landing gear that covers the 5 rive
t heads so I can see now they are hidden, Best regards, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Thu, 24 May 2007 9:10 am
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Dimple Question
Bill of Georgia,
You're not exactly getting your question answered, are you?
I do recall that there are about 5 rivets on each side that have the shop he
ad on the outside of the fuselage.=C2- I thought it a bit strange at the t
ime, but since mine is a QB, I assumed the Phillipinos had done it right.
My hard drive crashed, so the photos I had of the plans was lost, but I will
look at=C2-Dwg 28A=C2-at the shop today and confirm the info for you.
=C2- In fact, I'll take a photo to send you.
The Van's RV-8A builder's manual is sadly inadequate.=C2- I jokingly say i
t says, "Build wing.=C2- Attach wing."
I wish Van's would rewrite it to be like the new RV-10 manual, but that is u
nlikely.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
=C2-
=C2- Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I
reading 28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that
have the working ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804.
Further, does that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the
bottom longren forward of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ?
Also, is there something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's} written
words, diagram, etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are
dimpled, their directions and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a
aid would really be valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw
up again , Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Heath, thanks for the info. I'll start marking more. maybe I'll finally eliminate
enough holes, one at a time, to be confident I'm correct. best regards, Bill
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From: "Heath Cherneski" <heath.cherneski(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re:
RV8- Dimple Question
Bill of Georgia, the idea is to follow the rivet plan (can't remeber the
plans number) and only dimple those holes that call for a counter sunk
rivet. the 470 rivets will be covered by the wing and do not need to be
countersunk. i drove all rivets from the outside of the fuse, bucking on
the inside. you might want to circle the group of holes that do not get
dimpled ( i did as a reminder) so you don't have to spend time double,
triple and qusdruple checking the plans. good luck and happy rivetting! Heath
N818HC Enterprise, Alabama
On 5/21/07, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I
> reading 28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that have
> the working ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804. Further,
> does that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the bottom
longrenforward of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ? Also, is there
> something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's} written words, diagram,
> etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are dimpled, their
> directions and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a aid would really
> be valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw up again , Best
> regards, Bill of Georgia
>
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From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Dimple
Question
Bill
95% of the rivets in the RV airplanes require dimpling. The few that
need countersinking will be obvious.
Note: there are ok dimple dies and there are GOOD dimple dies. I had
best luck with the spring back dies from Avery and Cleveland.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M the fast one
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007
8:32 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Dimple Question
Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I
reading 28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that
have the working ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804.
Further, does that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the
bottom longren forward of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ?
Also, is there something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's} written
words, diagram, etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are
dimpled, their directions and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a
aid would really be valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw
up again , Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Dimple Question |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dick, thanks for the info. I'll have to look into the spring type dies. Best
regards, Bill
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From: dick martin <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Dimple Question
Bill
=C2-
95% of the rivets in the RV airplanes require dimpling.=C2- The few that n
eed countersinking will be obvious.
Note:=C2- there are ok dimple dies and there are GOOD dimple dies.=C2- I
had best luck with the spring back dies from Avery and Cleveland.
=C2-
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Dimple Question
Hello RV-8a builders, I am deburring and dimpling the fuselage. Am I reading
28a (28) correct ? Are there five 470 rivets on each side that have the wor
king ends exposed on the bottom ? They are at bulkhead 804.=C2-Further, do
es that mean that the remainder of the rivets along the bottom longren forwa
rd of 804 have the working ends inside the cockpit ?=C2-=C2-Also, is the
re something simple (paper, plan {other that Van's}=C2-written words, diag
ram, etc.) that shows or explains precisely which holes are dimpled, their d
irections and whether to counter sink or dimple ? Such a aid would really be
valuable. Hope to hear from someone before I screw up again , Best regards,
Bill of Georgia=C2-=C2-
=C2-
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| Subject: | Effectiveness of Van's Eyeball (LED) Cockpit Lights |
Planning my Instrument Panel and need your
"experienced" advice.
Has anybody mounted these lights - one on F804N-L and
another on F804N-R to be used as a general utility
light (map light) ?????. These will be mounted on
the "upper" portion of both F804N's, near the canopy
rail - which is angled down.
Plan to use the 2 of them simultaneously (one on each
side of the cockpit). Is a Dimming Pot actually
required to vary the light intensity or would just a
Toggle Sw be adequate (OFF or ON) which would only
give ONE brightness level (Full Bright) for night use
????
If you have used 2 of them simulatneously with a
Dimming Pot, what value did you use ???
Since I do not have one to experiment with:
a) Is there an internal resistor inside the Eyeball
Assy or is an
"external" resistor required for current
limiting ???
b) Do the Instruction Sheet give any info on
Voltage and Current
requirements for the LED ??
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| From: | "Stephan Servatius" <romeo.victor(at)o2online.de> |
| Subject: | Effectiveness of Van's Eyeball (LED) Cockpit Lights |
Hi Garey,
I mounted two of them as additional lights right and left into the roll over
bar. They work fine but I do not perform any kind of IFR night flying with
my plane. I use them in addition to two flexible Bosch lights.
There is no internal resistor in the lights so I installed one for both. If
I would do it a second time, I would omit the rheostat. They are not so
bright but sufficient to watch the instruments.
Regards
Stephan Servatius
80303
DEBRV
114 hrs
Has anybody mounted these lights - one on F804N-L and
another on F804N-R to be used as a general utility
light (map light) ?????. These will be mounted on
the "upper" portion of both F804N's, near the canopy
rail - which is angled down.
Plan to use the 2 of them simultaneously (one on each
side of the cockpit). Is a Dimming Pot actually
required to vary the light intensity or would just a
Toggle Sw be adequate (OFF or ON) which would only
give ONE brightness level (Full Bright) for night use
????
If you have used 2 of them simulatneously with a
Dimming Pot, what value did you use ???
Since I do not have one to experiment with:
a) Is there an internal resistor inside the Eyeball
Assy or is an
"external" resistor required for current
limiting ???
b) Do the Instruction Sheet give any info on
Voltage and Current
requirements for the LED ??
Thank you, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
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I heard through the grape vine that there was a picture of Baron in the
RVator, I haven't gotten our copy (hopefully it was renewed recently!).
Can anyone tell me if there was a photo and/or blurb about Baron in the
latest copy?
THANKS
Stephanie Marshall
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| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
There was a photo and a sentence or two.
Gail peck
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I heard through the grape vine that there was a picture of Baron in the
RVator, I haven't gotten our copy (hopefully it was renewed recently!).
Can anyone tell me if there was a photo and/or blurb about Baron in the
latest copy?
THANKS
Stephanie Marshall
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| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
I'm about to start riveting the right elevator skin to the stiffners on
my RV-8 project. Next will be the elevator skeleton.
The plans call for significant trimming of the elevator lead
counterweights.
Anybody have any good advice for me on the best way to do this?
Right now I am thinking of marking the weight as per the plans and using
my band saw to cut out the major block and then either smooth the edges
with the 3M wheel or a file or a combo.
Also, the plans suggest back riveting the stiffners to the skin. I found
that increasingly hard to do on the rudder as I got closer to the
trailing edge fold.
Have heard two alternative suggestions to forcing the back rivet process
into the narrow area. One was to use the pop-rivets and the other was to
use a slim bucking bar and set those difficult rivets from the skin
side.
Advice is welcome.
Thanks,
Gail Peck
Nellis AFB, NV
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil or gtwestern(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Mike Reid" <mikereid1(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/18/07 |
Just mount them with the bolts for now....Later you can take a large
drill bit and drill several holes in the lead to remove material until
the elevators balance. After they are painted you will not notice the
holes....
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Training"
I'm about to start riveting the right elevator skin to the stiffners on
my RV-8 project. Next will be the elevator skeleton.
The plans call for significant trimming of the elevator lead
counterweights.
Anybody have any good advice for me on the best way to do this?
Right now I am thinking of marking the weight as per the plans and using
my band saw to cut out the major block and then either smooth the edges
with the 3M wheel or a file or a combo.
Also, the plans suggest back riveting the stiffners to the skin. I found
that increasingly hard to do on the rudder as I got closer to the
trailing edge fold.
Have heard two alternative suggestions to forcing the back rivet process
into the narrow area. One was to use the pop-rivets and the other was to
use a slim bucking bar and set those difficult rivets from the skin
side.
Advice is welcome.
Thanks,
Gail Peck
Nellis AFB, NV
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil or gtwestern(at)aol.com
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| From: | Jason Hills <jason(at)hills.org> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/18/07 |
Gail,
1. How quickly one forgets these things... I spent a while googling
for ideas on how to do the shaping of the counter weight too. In the
end I used a saw, a course file, and a bunch of patience. Here's what
I wrote in my blog about it: http://blog.jason.hills.org/blog/
_archives/2006/10/2/2382197.html
2. I was able to back rivet all of the rivets for the stiffiners on
both elevators. Assuming you haven't bent the trailing edge yet
(should not have done that yet), go ahead and gently pry it open wide
enough to get the rivet gun all the way back there. I did it after an
experienced RV builder showed me, and assured me I wasn't going to
hurt anything, as it seemed like I was really prying on things to get
in there. After you've done a few it doesn't seem too bad. I did the
tightest two rivets on each stiffener last. I started my whole RV-8
project with the right elevator, so I did this on my first real day
of building, but I didn't write anything interesting about doing the
back riveting in my blog (http://blog.jason.hills.org/blog/_archives/
2006/9/30/2376912.html).
...Jason Hills
RV-8 (wings)
On Jun 19, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
wrote:
> Training"
>
> I'm about to start riveting the right elevator skin to the
> stiffners on
> my RV-8 project. Next will be the elevator skeleton.
>
> The plans call for significant trimming of the elevator lead
> counterweights.
> Anybody have any good advice for me on the best way to do this?
>
> Right now I am thinking of marking the weight as per the plans and
> using
> my band saw to cut out the major block and then either smooth the
> edges
> with the 3M wheel or a file or a combo.
>
> Also, the plans suggest back riveting the stiffners to the skin. I
> found
> that increasingly hard to do on the rudder as I got closer to the
> trailing edge fold.
>
> Have heard two alternative suggestions to forcing the back rivet
> process
> into the narrow area. One was to use the pop-rivets and the other
> was to
> use a slim bucking bar and set those difficult rivets from the skin
> side.
>
> Advice is welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gail Peck
> Nellis AFB, NV
> Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil or gtwestern(at)aol.com
>
>
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I had to dismount and remount my gear legs
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| Subject: | Exhoust for Eci IOX-360 cold inuction |
| From: | "DALLINGER Rudolf" <Rudolf.DALLINGER(at)kapsch.net> |
Dear Listeners,
do anyone have experience obout Exhoust-Systems with an IOX-360 B1H1N
(cold
intuction) from Eci with an RV8 S-Cowl?
The recommendation of Eci is an four-pipe-system von Lary Vetterman but
this
exhoust-system seems to be quite loud.
I would like use the cross over-system. Which modifikations will be
necessary?
Rudi
RV8 QB 81943
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| From: | "Speed 3 Guy" <speed3guy(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Exhoust for Eci IOX-360 cold inuction |
While at Oshkosh, I spoke with AeroSport Power about the ECI cold air
induction. It sound like there are not too many ECI cold air inductions
flying yet. As far as anyone at AeroSport knows, Larry Vetterman is the
only common exhaust maker that has worked with these. Larry does have
mufflers available, at least for some of his other systems. I would suggest
you contact him or an exhaust builder near you and see if they can use your
engine to design a new, quiet, exhaust for use with the ECI induction
systems.
Regards,
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Dear Listeners,
do anyone have experience obout Exhoust-Systems with an IOX-360 B1H1N (cold
intuction) from Eci with an RV8 S-Cowl?
The recommendation of Eci is an four-pipe-system von Lary Vetterman but this
exhoust-system seems to be quite loud.
I would like use the cross over-system. Which modifikations will be
necessary?
Rudi
RV8 QB 81943
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| From: | "DALLINGER Rudolf" <Rudolf.DALLINGER(at)kapsch.net> |
Thanks for the advise, I asked Larry but he does't have any muffler for the
4-pipe exhaust.
I think I will make a drial with the gross over, built for the M1B that vans
sells.
Regards,
Rudi
RV8 QB 81943
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Betreff: RE: RV8-List: Exhoust for Eci IOX-360 cold inuction
While at Oshkosh, I spoke with AeroSport Power about the ECI cold air induction.
It sound like there are not too many ECI cold air inductions flying yet. As far
as anyone at AeroSport knows, Larry Vetterman is the only common exhaust maker
that has worked with these. Larry does have mufflers available, at least for
some of his other systems. I would suggest you contact him or an exhaust
builder near you and see if they can use your engine to design a new, quiet,
exhaust for use with the ECI induction systems.
Regards,
Guy Prevost SB 82273
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DALLINGER Rudolf
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:14 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Exhoust for Eci IOX-360 cold inuction
Dear Listeners,
do anyone have experience obout Exhoust-Systems with an IOX-360 B1H1N (cold
intuction) from Eci with an RV8 S-Cowl?
The recommendation of Eci is an four-pipe-system von Lary Vetterman but this
exhoust-system seems to be quite loud.
I would like use the cross over-system. Which modifikations will be necessary?
Rudi
RV8 QB 81943
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Running VOR coax cable thru VS |
Ready to drill hole in VS ribs (Top and Middle ribs)
to run VOR coax cable thru them for cat-wisker VOR
type antenna mounted on top of VS.
Where have you Builders drilled the hole for the coax
on the ribs - middle of ribs, on the rib closer to the
Front Spar or on the rib closer to the Rear Spar ???
Was a doubler plate used on the ribs, with the coax
holes, to make up for the the ribs loss of structural
strength ??
On the bottom rib, it has 3 lightening holes that
would allow the coax to run thru one of them into the
fuselage - correct ???
Thanks, Garey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <mikereid1(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Running VOR coax cable thru VS |
garey, drill forward of the forward spar....It will interfer with the rudder otherwise..You
only have that first 6 inches or so with a fiberglass cap...
---- Garey Wittich wrote:
>
> Ready to drill hole in VS ribs (Top and Middle ribs)
> to run VOR coax cable thru them for cat-wisker VOR
> type antenna mounted on top of VS.
>
> Where have you Builders drilled the hole for the coax
> on the ribs - middle of ribs, on the rib closer to the
> Front Spar or on the rib closer to the Rear Spar ???
> Was a doubler plate used on the ribs, with the coax
> holes, to make up for the the ribs loss of structural
> strength ??
>
> On the bottom rib, it has 3 lightening holes that
> would allow the coax to run thru one of them into the
> fuselage - correct ???
>
> Thanks, Garey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/23/07 |
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| From: | jim-bean(at)att.net |
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/25/07 |
hi all,
I have had a non-responding compass since building the plane (RV-8) and finally
decided to do something about it. Removing the compass and walking around with
it shows it to be working OK. Get it within a foot of the roll-over hoop and
it goes nuts. So the hoop is magnetized. I have tried to degauss it with a TV
type degausser without success. I think that the degausser has to surround the
metal to work, thus the hoop would have to be removed or deguassed before installing
it. I am not about to remove it.
Anyway my solution was to install a remote compass. Good solid WW2 technology.
The transmitter sets in a hole cut in the aft part of the baggage compartment
floor. The front indicator is just a needle operated by a servo, connected to
the transmitter by 4 wires. There is a small inverter to supply 25 volts at 400
Hz. Works very well, just kind of pricey. This compass has aggravated me for
so long I am glad to pay it.
Jim Bean
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> 1. 04:21 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (David & Elaine
> Lamphere)
> 2. 06:26 AM - Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation ()
> 3. 07:10 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (Deene Ogden)
> 4. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation (Walter Fellows)
> 5. 09:06 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (David & Elaine
> Lamphere)
> 6. 09:06 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (David & Elaine
> Lamphere)
> 7. 01:13 PM - Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327 Transponder
> (David & Elaine Lamphere)
> 8. 01:41 PM - Re: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder (Mike)
> 9. 02:41 PM - Re: Radio problem! (Travis)
> 10. 03:55 PM - Re: Blind Encoder Power Connection (David & Elaine Lamphere)
> 11. 05:22 PM - Re: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder (Ron Quillin)
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>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
>
> Thanks to all that responded. Due to another persons kindness, I obtained an
> installation manual for the KX125. You guys are correct in that the vor/loc
> composite signal pins are used for driving an indicator. What isn't clear or
> mentioned in the manual, is whether these two pins need to be jumpered (even
> if you are not using an external indicator).. if there is an output AND
> input involved, then does the unit need this jumper for it to function
> properly?
>
> I would guess that it won't hurt to put this jumper in anyway.. :-)
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
>
> >
> > Those pins are used to drive certin CDIs, RMIs or HSIs that accept a
> > single composite line. Older unites require the older style of direct
> > analog signaling. With the composite signal you can send the
> > information over one wire instead of the 6-10 from the analog style.
> > Both sides have to be able to interpret a composite signal. Hope this
> > helps!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> > & Elaine Lamphere
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:55 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm in the process of rewiring the connectors on a used King KX125
> > nav/com
> > and am puzzled by a couple of pins that were previously wired.
> >
> > Connector P501 pins H and J are labeled (according to pinout I got from
> > the
> > aeroelectric website):
> >
> > (H) VOR/LOC COMPOSITE IN and (J) VOR/LOC COMPOSITE OUT
> >
> > These were previously jumpered together with a wire leading off from the
> >
> > pair..
> >
> > Would someone who is familiar with NAV/COMS please explain what these
> > pins
> > are used for and a guess as to where they could have been connected to
> > (in
> > it's previous life)??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
>
> >From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> >Subject: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
> >
> >But today's EAA is just a wanabe competitor to AOPA.
> >
> >Mike
>
> Not sure where you are going, but I did a
> little study of AOPA and EAA and what they
> actually do for experimental amateur built
> and flown planes.
>
> Just for clarity AOPA is a lobby group and
> represents manufactures and small non-
> scheduled commercial operators, as well as
> individual private operators (allegedly).
>
> EAA is non profit and therefore can't lobby
> but they do a lot of legal work clarifying
> the FAR's. If you ever had a DAR tell you
> that your RV-7 needs an A&P sign off because
> the engine is from a certified aircraft, you
> will appreciate what they do.
>
> Since the AOPA is aligned heavily with
> manufactures of certified aircraft and the
> aviation business, the needs of experimental
> aircraft is not a priority for them. The EAA
> is all we have and they are best suited to
> protect our niche of the aviation world.
>
> There are common goals and interest between
> AOPA and EAA, who do work together some
> times, but not always.
>
> In California, LA area an airport banned
> experimental aircraft (tried to) and the Las
> Vegas FSDO tried to restrict experimental's
> from a huge block of air space. Behind the
> scene the EAA solved the issue. Unlike the
> AOPA the EAA did not blow their own horn.
> They like to take a quite approach and not
> embarrass the FAA. They where successful
> in both cases.
>
> EAA is not immune of criticism. This topic
> went around the RV-list. The main complaint
> I had in the past was the magazine was
> dummied down and they dropped the Caf
> Foundation org reports. I was told they
> where too technical for most. They have done
> better in the last year or so, but if you
> want technical info, go to the internet,
> which has replaced most topical print media.
> "Contact" magazine is more technical for the
> real experimenter and tinkerer.
>
> EAA's SA magazine does need contributors. If
> you have an idea for an article write it, they need
> content. Many past articles where "fluff" and seemed
> more like advertisement propaganda than fact.
>
>
> EAA does many things to protect experimental
> plane rights, building and use of airspace, fighting
> made up interpretations of the FAR's by DAR's and
> FAA inspectors.
>
> If you have a question about AD compliance,
> required equip or TSO'ed requirements for
> experimental aircraft, they have brief on it
> for members.
>
> The EAA tax records are public record. Not
> surprising on about $30 mil revenue,
> expenses where almost exactly $30 mil, thus
> non-profit. Not a surprise.
>
> Tom Poberezny makes $418,000, about
> 1/2 million in total compensation a year as
> CEO of the EAA. That seems in-line with CEO
> salaries I suppose, for a $30 organization..
>
> Airventure does bring in lots of money but
> also cost a lot of money to put on.
> The magazine is a huge expense on the budget.
> I guess all the color pictures?
> Dues are the big revenue stream.
>
> The P-51 thing is very old news. It was about his
> dad, Paul, EAA founder and former CEO. There
> was some blow-up I recall about his P-51
> time being paid for by the EAA. That was
> resolved and I recall Paul retired soon
> thereafter. Paul's still on the payroll and
> makes about $80k or $160k a year?
>
> EAA's tax return looks normal to me; the board
> of directors are all volunteers. They spend a
> lot on office space and professional services.
>
> My EAA membership is based on more than the
> magazine and Airventure. They do have good
> programs like young eagles, and the local
> chapters are also a nice thing. If you are active
> in building and flying experimental aircraft the
> EAA is valuable. I have talked to EAA legal
> a few times and they know their stuff, surprisingly
> better than the FAA. There are some old bones
> in the FAA closet that they try to pass as facts.
>
>
> Of all organizations, EAA does the most to protect
> our incredible freedom to build and fly planes we
> make with our own hands. Forces constantly are
> trying to re-write and restrict those freedoms. EAA
> is doing the most of us specifically, IMHO.
>
>
> To be fair AOPA is the only real lobby group on
> capital hill that is representing our "special interest".
> Of course we can always write our DC politicians
> directly. May be we should start a quasi political
> group of all experimental aircraft builders/ owners.
> That would be a good sized voter block. The
> economy of the kit plane business and all the support
> and part companies is substantial.
>
>
> Cheers George EAA member since 1985
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Deene Ogden " <deene(at)austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
> The jumper is required (and I know as I just spend several weeks debugging a
> KX125 installation in which the internal VOR indicator would not work). I
> had to talk to the factory tech guy to get this info as the installation
> schematic shows the jumper as part of a connection to an external indicator
> but DOES NOT have a note indicating that the jumper is required for the
> operation of the internal VOR indicator.
>
>
> Deene Ogden
>
> EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Walter Fellows" <walter.fellows(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
>
> Thanks very much for the clarification.
>
> On 8/25/07, gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> > >Subject: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
> > >
> > >But today's EAA is just a wanabe competitor to AOPA.
> > >
> > >Mike
> >
> > Not sure where you are going, but I did a
> > little study of AOPA and EAA and what they
> > actually do for experimental amateur built
> > and flown planes.
> >
> > Just for clarity AOPA is a lobby group and
> > represents manufactures and small non-
> > scheduled commercial operators, as well as
> > individual private operators (allegedly).
> >
> > EAA is non profit and therefore can't lobby
> > but they do a lot of legal work clarifying
> > the FAR's. If you ever had a DAR tell you
> > that your RV-7 needs an A&P sign off because
> > the engine is from a certified aircraft, you
> > will appreciate what they do.
> >
> > Since the AOPA is aligned heavily with
> > manufactures of certified aircraft and the
> > aviation business, the needs of experimental
> > aircraft is not a priority for them. The EAA
> > is all we have and they are best suited to
> > protect our niche of the aviation world.
> >
> > There are common goals and interest between
> > AOPA and EAA, who do work together some
> > times, but not always.
> > In California, LA area an airport banned
> > experimental aircraft (tried to) and the Las
> > Vegas FSDO tried to restrict experimental's
> > from a huge block of air space. Behind the
> > scene the EAA solved the issue. Unlike the
> > AOPA the EAA did not blow their own horn.
> > They like to take a quite approach and not
> > embarrass the FAA. They where successful
> > in both cases.
> >
> > EAA is not immune of criticism. This topic
> > went around the RV-list. The main complaint
> > I had in the past was the magazine was
> > dummied down and they dropped the Caf=E9
> > Foundation org reports. I was told they
> > where too technical for most. They have done
> > better in the last year or so, but if you
> > want technical info, go to the internet,
> > which has replaced most topical print media.
> > "Contact" magazine is more technical for the
> > real experimenter and tinkerer.
> >
> > EAA's SA magazine does need contributors. If
> > you have an idea for an article write it, they need
> > content. Many past articles where "fluff" and seemed
> > more like advertisement propaganda than fact.
> >
> >
> > EAA does many things to protect experimental
> > plane rights, building and use of airspace, fighting
> > made up interpretations of the FAR's by DAR's and
> > FAA inspectors.
> >
> > If you have a question about AD compliance,
> > required equip or TSO'ed requirements for
> > experimental aircraft, they have brief on it
> > for members.
> > The EAA tax records are public record. Not
> > surprising on about $30 mil revenue,
> > expenses where almost exactly $30 mil, thus
> > non-profit. Not a surprise.
> >
> > Tom Poberezny makes $418,000, about
> > 1/2 million in total compensation a year as
> > CEO of the EAA. That seems in-line with CEO
> > salaries I suppose, for a $30 organization..
> >
> > Airventure does bring in lots of money but
> > also cost a lot of money to put on.
> > The magazine is a huge expense on the budget.
> > I guess all the color pictures?
> > Dues are the big revenue stream.
> > The P-51 thing is very old news. It was about his
> > dad, Paul, EAA founder and former CEO. There
> > was some blow-up I recall about his P-51
> > time being paid for by the EAA. That was
> > resolved and I recall Paul retired soon
> > thereafter. Paul's still on the payroll and
> > makes about $80k or $160k a year?
> >
> > EAA's tax return looks normal to me; the board
> > of directors are all volunteers. They spend a
> > lot on office space and professional services.
> >
> > My EAA membership is based on more than the
> > magazine and Airventure. They do have good
> > programs like young eagles, and the local
> > chapters are also a nice thing. If you are active
> > in building and flying experimental aircraft the
> > EAA is valuable. I have talked to EAA legal
> > a few times and they know their stuff, surprisingly
> > better than the FAA. There are some old bones
> > in the FAA closet that they try to pass as facts.
> >
> >
> > Of all organizations, EAA does the most to protect
> > our incredible freedom to build and fly planes we
> > make with our own hands. Forces constantly are
> > trying to re-write and restrict those freedoms. EAA
> > is doing the most of us specifically, IMHO.
> >
> >
> > To be fair AOPA is the only real lobby group on
> > capital hill that is representing our "special interest".
> > Of course we can always write our DC politicians
> > directly. May be we should start a quasi political
> > group of all experimental aircraft builders/ owners.
> > That would be a good sized voter block. The
> > economy of the kit plane business and all the support
> > and part companies is substantial.
> >
> >
> > Cheers George EAA member since 1985
> >
> > *
> >
> ==========
> ==========
> ==========
> >
> > *
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
> Whoops! Make that thank you Deene
>
> ... eyes must be going!
>
> Dave
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
> AHAH!!! Thanks Duane!
>
> without an external indicator, there aren't too many connections
> required.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Deene Ogden
> To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
>
> The jumper is required (and I know as I just spend several weeks
> debugging a KX125 installation in which the internal VOR indicator would
> not work). I had to talk to the factory tech guy to get this info as
> the installation schematic shows the jumper as part of a connection to
> an external indicator but DOES NOT have a note indicating that the
> jumper is required for the operation of the internal VOR indicator.
>
>
>
> Deene Ogden
>
> EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder
>
>
> Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is getting it's
> power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin GTX327 transponder?
>
> I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for 1.5A
> max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during warm-up.
>
> This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in the
> encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main power for
> the 327) listed for power.
>
> What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder
>
>
> Dave,
>
> You can do it either way! Pin 14 is switched out limited to 1.5 amps
> which is well below the use of the encoder. If you use an avionics
> master you can go to pin 15 which is power into the transponder or you
> could go directly to a circuit breaker.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> & Elaine Lamphere
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:12 PM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> GTX-327 Transponder
>
>
>
> Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is getting
> it's
> power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin GTX327
> transponder?
>
> I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for
> 1.5A
> max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during
> warm-up.
>
> This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in the
> encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main power
> for
> the 327) listed for power.
>
> What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
> 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
>
>
> 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Radio problem!
> From: "Travis" <travishamblen(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> PROBLEM SOLVED!!! The BNC connector at the antenna was gounding out. I made
a
> whole new cable for good measure, and all the problems are long gone!!! Thanks
> for all the advice....
>
> Travis
>
>
> mprather(at)spro.net wrote:
> > If you speak into the mic while transmitting, do you hear your voice (from
> > the sidetone) through the headphones? Are other stations able to hear
> > your transmission? With good quality? In addition to adjusting the gain,
> > you might be able to adjust the sidetone volume if everything else appears
> > to be working properly.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matt-
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have an XCom radio in my RV-7A and I am having some problems
> > > transmitting. I seem to receive just fine. When I push the PTT button
on
> > > the pilot control stick I get a static in my headset. If I push the PTT
> > > button on the passenger control stick I get the same static (in the pilot
> > > headset) with the same intensity. When I switch headsets to my backup
> > > headset I don't hear the static when I push the PTT. HOWEVER, the problem
> > > is much worse in flight (possibly due to a louder environment); on the
> > > ground with the engine shut down the static is minimal. I have not tried
> > > the backup headset in flight. I will fly tonight with the other headset
> > > to see if this eliminates the problem, but I don't think it will. Since
> > > it only happens when transmitting I am starting to think there is a
> > > problem with the PTT wiring?? Any ideas to start me out? I will report
> > > back with the results of using a different headset. Could this be a gain
> > > adjustment needed (I can adjust the gain)?
> > >
> > > Travis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130771#130771
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131000#131000
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection
>
>
> Thanks Mike.
>
> I'll go with pin 14 as it will be easier just to put that wire (from
> encoder-xpndr cable) on a pin and insert it into the transponder socket.
> Otherwize, it would be harder to do (either putting more than one wire in a
> transponder pin or running a wire back from the connector bundle).
>
> Just wanted to be sure I was interpreting the information correctly..
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:41 PM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> GTX-327 Transponder
>
>
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > You can do it either way! Pin 14 is switched out limited to 1.5 amps
> > which is well below the use of the encoder. If you use an avionics
> > master you can go to pin 15 which is power into the transponder or you
> > could go directly to a circuit breaker.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> > & Elaine Lamphere
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:12 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> > GTX-327 Transponder
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is getting
> > it's
> > power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin GTX327
> > transponder?
> >
> > I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for
> > 1.5A
> > max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during
> > warm-up.
> >
> > This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in the
> > encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main power
> > for
> > the 327) listed for power.
> >
> > What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
> >
> >
> > 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> GTX-327
> Transponder
> From: Ron Quillin <rjquillin(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> At 13:12 8/25/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is
> >getting it's power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin
> >GTX327 transponder?
>
> Yes
>
> >I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for
> >1.5A max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during warm-up.
>
> OK, no problem there. 0.6A is far less than 1.5A
>
> >This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in
> >the encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main
> >power for the 327) listed for power.
>
> Yes, that is the supply to the 327, and anything else powered from
> pin 14 as well.
> Your encoder document shows connections to/from the 327?
> Either pin could be used, but should you need/want encoder output
> (perhaps for a GPS/LORAN) while the transponder was off, pin 14 would
> not be a good choice for encoder power.
>
> >What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jim-bean(at)att.net |
hi all,
I have had a non-responding compass since building the plane (RV-8) and finally
decided to do something about it. Removing the compass and walking around with
it shows it to be working OK. Get it within a foot of the roll-over hoop and it
goes nuts. So the hoop is magnetized. I have tried to degauss it with a TV type
degausser without success. I think that the degausser has to surround the metal
to work, thus the hoop would have to be removed or deguassed before installing
it. I am not about to remove it.
Anyway my solution was to install a remote compass. Good solid WW2 technology.
The transmitter sets in a hole cut in the aft part of the baggage compartment
floor. The front indicator is just a needle operated by a servo, connected to
the transmitter by 4 wires. There is a small inverter to supply 25 volts at 400
Hz. Works very well, just kind of pricey. This compass has aggravated me for so
long I am glad to pay it.
Jim Bean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Demagnetizing the roll bar |
I used a bulk video tape eraser to solve the problem. I have a standard
van's pedestal mount compass on top of the glare shield. It was more than
30 degrees off when first installed.
To demagnetize the roll bar, I first removed all electronics and the compass
from the plane. I ran the tape eraser over all sides of the roll bar, and
the forward hoop of the canopy frame. It took about 4 runs total.
After reinstalling the compass and making the standard N/S and E/W
adjustments, the compass has no swing error.
I recently installed a Dynon EFIS in the panel. Using the installed EFIS
magnetometer and following the Dynon setup instructions I was able to zero
out the heading error in it as well.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (350 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim-bean(at)att.net
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject:
hi all,
I have had a non-responding compass since building the plane (RV-8) and
finally
decided to do something about it. Removing the compass and walking around
with
it shows it to be working OK. Get it within a foot of the roll-over hoop and
it
goes nuts. So the hoop is magnetized. I have tried to degauss it with a TV
type
degausser without success. I think that the degausser has to surround the
metal
to work, thus the hoop would have to be removed or deguassed before
installing
it. I am not about to remove it.
Anyway my solution was to install a remote compass. Good solid WW2
technology.
The transmitter sets in a hole cut in the aft part of the baggage
compartment
floor. The front indicator is just a needle operated by a servo, connected
to
the transmitter by 4 wires. There is a small inverter to supply 25 volts at
400
Hz. Works very well, just kind of pricey. This compass has aggravated me for
so
long I am glad to pay it.
Jim Bean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Demagnetizing the roll bar |
Where did you get the bulk video tape eraser?
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/26/07 |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Matt, I had a simliar problem with my Bendix/King 97. The problem was the ground
to the phone jack. I used the plane body at the attachment point to ground.
Solution was to run a seperate ground?wire to ground buss bar. All worked fine
thereafter. Bill of Georgia?
-----Original Message-----
From: RV8-List Digest Server <rv8-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 2:57 am
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/26/07
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From: jim-bean(at)att.net
Subject: RV8-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/25/07
hi all,
I have had a non-responding compass since building the plane (RV-8) and finally
decided to do something about it. Removing the compass and walking around with
it shows it to be working OK. Get it within a foot of the roll-over hoop and
it goes nuts. So the hoop is magnetized. I have tried to degauss it with a TV
type degausser without success. I think that the degausser has to surround the
metal to work, thus the hoop would have to be removed or deguassed before
installing
it. I am not about to remove it.
Anyway my solution was to install a remote compass. Good solid WW2 technology.
The transmitter sets in a hole cut in the aft part of the baggage compartment
floor. The front indicator is just a needle operated by a servo, connected to
the transmitter by 4 wires. There is a small inverter to supply 25 volts at 400
Hz. Works very well, just kind of pricey. This compass has aggravated me for
so long I am glad to pay it.
Jim Bean
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>
> 1. 04:21 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (David & Elaine
> Lamphere)
> 2. 06:26 AM - Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation ()
> 3. 07:10 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (Deene Ogden)
> 4. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation (Walter Fellows)
> 5. 09:06 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (David & Elaine
> Lamphere)
> 6. 09:06 AM - Re: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question (David & Elaine
> Lamphere)
> 7. 01:13 PM - Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
Transponder
> (David & Elaine Lamphere)
> 8. 01:41 PM - Re: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder (Mike)
> 9. 02:41 PM - Re: Radio problem! (Travis)
> 10. 03:55 PM - Re: Blind Encoder Power Connection (David & Elaine
Lamphere)
> 11. 05:22 PM - Re: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder (Ron Quillin)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
>
> Thanks to all that responded. Due to another persons kindness, I obtained an
> installation manual for the KX125. You guys are correct in that the vor/loc
> composite signal pins are used for driving an indicator. What isn't clear or
> mentioned in the manual, is whether these two pins need to be jumpered (even
> if you are not using an external indicator).. if there is an output AND
> input involved, then does the unit need this jumper for it to function
> properly?
>
> I would guess that it won't hurt to put this jumper in anyway.. :-)
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
>
> >
> > Those pins are used to drive certin CDIs, RMIs or HSIs that accept a
> > single composite line. Older unites require the older style of direct
> > analog signaling. With the composite signal you can send the
> > information over one wire instead of the 6-10 from the analog style.
> > Both sides have to be able to interpret a composite signal. Hope this
> > helps!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> > & Elaine Lamphere
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:55 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm in the process of rewiring the connectors on a used King KX125
> > nav/com
> > and am puzzled by a couple of pins that were previously wired.
> >
> > Connector P501 pins H and J are labeled (according to pinout I got from
> > the
> > aeroelectric website):
> >
> > (H) VOR/LOC COMPOSITE IN and (J) VOR/LOC COMPOSITE OUT
> >
> > These were previously jumpered together with a wire leading off from the
> >
> > pair..
> >
> > Would someone who is familiar with NAV/COMS please explain what these
> > pins
> > are used for and a guess as to where they could have been connected to
> > (in
> > it's previous life)??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
>
> >From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> >Subject: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
> >
> >But today's EAA is just a wanabe competitor to AOPA.
> >
> >Mike
>
> Not sure where you are going, but I did a
> little study of AOPA and EAA and what they
> actually do for experimental amateur built
> and flown planes.
>
> Just for clarity AOPA is a lobby group and
> represents manufactures and small non-
> scheduled commercial operators, as well as
> individual private operators (allegedly).
>
> EAA is non profit and therefore can't lobby
> but they do a lot of legal work clarifying
> the FAR's. If you ever had a DAR tell you
> that your RV-7 needs an A&P sign off because
> the engine is from a certified aircraft, you
> will appreciate what they do.
>
> Since the AOPA is aligned heavily with
> manufactures of certified aircraft and the
> aviation business, the needs of experimental
> aircraft is not a priority for them. The EAA
> is all we have and they are best suited to
> protect our niche of the aviation world.
>
> There are common goals and interest between
> AOPA and EAA, who do work together some
> times, but not always.
>
> In California, LA area an airport banned
> experimental aircraft (tried to) and the Las
> Vegas FSDO tried to restrict experimental's
> from a huge block of air space. Behind the
> scene the EAA solved the issue. Unlike the
> AOPA the EAA did not blow their own horn.
> They like to take a quite approach and not
> embarrass the FAA. They where successful
> in both cases.
>
> EAA is not immune of criticism. This topic
> went around the RV-list. The main complaint
> I had in the past was the magazine was
> dummied down and they dropped the Caf
> Foundation org reports. I was told they
> where too technical for most. They have done
> better in the last year or so, but if you
> want technical info, go to the internet,
> which has replaced most topical print media.
> "Contact" magazine is more technical for the
> real experimenter and tinkerer.
>
> EAA's SA magazine does need contributors. If
> you have an idea for an article write it, they need
> content. Many past articles where "fluff" and seemed
> more like advertisement propaganda than fact.
>
>
> EAA does many things to protect experimental
> plane rights, building and use of airspace, fighting
> made up interpretations of the FAR's by DAR's and
> FAA inspectors.
>
> If you have a question about AD compliance,
> required equip or TSO'ed requirements for
> experimental aircraft, they have brief on it
> for members.
>
> The EAA tax records are public record. Not
> surprising on about $30 mil revenue,
> expenses where almost exactly $30 mil, thus
> non-profit. Not a surprise.
>
> Tom Poberezny makes $418,000, about
> 1/2 million in total compensation a year as
> CEO of the EAA. That seems in-line with CEO
> salaries I suppose, for a $30 organization..
>
> Airventure does bring in lots of money but
> also cost a lot of money to put on.
> The magazine is a huge expense on the budget.
> I guess all the color pictures?
> Dues are the big revenue stream.
>
> The P-51 thing is very old news. It was about his
> dad, Paul, EAA founder and former CEO. There
> was some blow-up I recall about his P-51
> time being paid for by the EAA. That was
> resolved and I recall Paul retired soon
> thereafter. Paul's still on the payroll and
> makes about $80k or $160k a year?
>
> EAA's tax return looks normal to me; the board
> of directors are all volunteers. They spend a
> lot on office space and professional services.
>
> My EAA membership is based on more than the
> magazine and Airventure. They do have good
> programs like young eagles, and the local
> chapters are also a nice thing. If you are active
> in building and flying experimental aircraft the
> EAA is valuable. I have talked to EAA legal
> a few times and they know their stuff, surprisingly
> better than the FAA. There are some old bones
> in the FAA closet that they try to pass as facts.
>
>
> Of all organizations, EAA does the most to protect
> our incredible freedom to build and fly planes we
> make with our own hands. Forces constantly are
> trying to re-write and restrict those freedoms. EAA
> is doing the most of us specifically, IMHO.
>
>
> To be fair AOPA is the only real lobby group on
> capital hill that is representing our "special interest".
> Of course we can always write our DC politicians
> directly. May be we should start a quasi political
> group of all experimental aircraft builders/ owners.
> That would be a good sized voter block. The
> economy of the kit plane business and all the support
> and part companies is substantial.
>
>
> Cheers George EAA member since 1985
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Deene Ogden " <deene(at)austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
> The jumper is required (and I know as I just spend several weeks debugging a
> KX125 installation in which the internal VOR indicator would not work). I
> had to talk to the factory tech guy to get this info as the installation
> schematic shows the jumper as part of a connection to an external indicator
> but DOES NOT have a note indicating that the jumper is required for the
> operation of the internal VOR indicator.
>
>
> Deene Ogden
>
> EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Walter Fellows" <walter.fellows(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
>
> Thanks very much for the clarification.
>
> On 8/25/07, gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> > >Subject: Re: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation
> > >
> > >But today's EAA is just a wanabe competitor to AOPA.
> > >
> > >Mike
> >
> > Not sure where you are going, but I did a
> > little study of AOPA and EAA and what they
> > actually do for experimental amateur built
> > and flown planes.
> >
> > Just for clarity AOPA is a lobby group and
> > represents manufactures and small non-
> > scheduled commercial operators, as well as
> > individual private operators (allegedly).
> >
> > EAA is non profit and therefore can't lobby
> > but they do a lot of legal work clarifying
> > the FAR's. If you ever had a DAR tell you
> > that your RV-7 needs an A&P sign off because
> > the engine is from a certified aircraft, you
> > will appreciate what they do.
> >
> > Since the AOPA is aligned heavily with
> > manufactures of certified aircraft and the
> > aviation business, the needs of experimental
> > aircraft is not a priority for them. The EAA
> > is all we have and they are best suited to
> > protect our niche of the aviation world.
> >
> > There are common goals and interest between
> > AOPA and EAA, who do work together some
> > times, but not always.
> > In California, LA area an airport banned
> > experimental aircraft (tried to) and the Las
> > Vegas FSDO tried to restrict experimental's
> > from a huge block of air space. Behind the
> > scene the EAA solved the issue. Unlike the
> > AOPA the EAA did not blow their own horn.
> > They like to take a quite approach and not
> > embarrass the FAA. They where successful
> > in both cases.
> >
> > EAA is not immune of criticism. This topic
> > went around the RV-list. The main complaint
> > I had in the past was the magazine was
> > dummied down and they dropped the Caf=E9
> > Foundation org reports. I was told they
> > where too technical for most. They have done
> > better in the last year or so, but if you
> > want technical info, go to the internet,
> > which has replaced most topical print media.
> > "Contact" magazine is more technical for the
> > real experimenter and tinkerer.
> >
> > EAA's SA magazine does need contributors. If
> > you have an idea for an article write it, they need
> > content. Many past articles where "fluff" and seemed
> > more like advertisement propaganda than fact.
> >
> >
> > EAA does many things to protect experimental
> > plane rights, building and use of airspace, fighting
> > made up interpretations of the FAR's by DAR's and
> > FAA inspectors.
> >
> > If you have a question about AD compliance,
> > required equip or TSO'ed requirements for
> > experimental aircraft, they have brief on it
> > for members.
> > The EAA tax records are public record. Not
> > surprising on about $30 mil revenue,
> > expenses where almost exactly $30 mil, thus
> > non-profit. Not a surprise.
> >
> > Tom Poberezny makes $418,000, about
> > 1/2 million in total compensation a year as
> > CEO of the EAA. That seems in-line with CEO
> > salaries I suppose, for a $30 organization..
> >
> > Airventure does bring in lots of money but
> > also cost a lot of money to put on.
> > The magazine is a huge expense on the budget.
> > I guess all the color pictures?
> > Dues are the big revenue stream.
> > The P-51 thing is very old news. It was about his
> > dad, Paul, EAA founder and former CEO. There
> > was some blow-up I recall about his P-51
> > time being paid for by the EAA. That was
> > resolved and I recall Paul retired soon
> > thereafter. Paul's still on the payroll and
> > makes about $80k or $160k a year?
> >
> > EAA's tax return looks normal to me; the board
> > of directors are all volunteers. They spend a
> > lot on office space and professional services.
> >
> > My EAA membership is based on more than the
> > magazine and Airventure. They do have good
> > programs like young eagles, and the local
> > chapters are also a nice thing. If you are active
> > in building and flying experimental aircraft the
> > EAA is valuable. I have talked to EAA legal
> > a few times and they know their stuff, surprisingly
> > better than the FAA. There are some old bones
> > in the FAA closet that they try to pass as facts.
> >
> >
> > Of all organizations, EAA does the most to protect
> > our incredible freedom to build and fly planes we
> > make with our own hands. Forces constantly are
> > trying to re-write and restrict those freedoms. EAA
> > is doing the most of us specifically, IMHO.
> >
> >
> > To be fair AOPA is the only real lobby group on
> > capital hill that is representing our "special interest".
> > Of course we can always write our DC politicians
> > directly. May be we should start a quasi political
> > group of all experimental aircraft builders/ owners.
> > That would be a good sized voter block. The
> > economy of the kit plane business and all the support
> > and part companies is substantial.
> >
> >
> > Cheers George EAA member since 1985
> >
> > *
> >
> =========
> =========
> =========
> >
> > *
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
> Whoops! Make that thank you Deene
>
> ... eyes must be going!
>
> Dave
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
> AHAH!!! Thanks Duane!
>
> without an external indicator, there aren't too many connections
> required.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Deene Ogden
> To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: KX125 Wiring / Nav Com Question
>
>
> The jumper is required (and I know as I just spend several weeks
> debugging a KX125 installation in which the internal VOR indicator would
> not work). I had to talk to the factory tech guy to get this info as
> the installation schematic shows the jumper as part of a connection to
> an external indicator but DOES NOT have a note indicating that the
> jumper is required for the operation of the internal VOR indicator.
>
>
>
> Deene Ogden
>
> EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin GTX-327
> Transponder
>
>
> Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is getting it's
> power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin GTX327 transponder?
>
> I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for 1.5A
> max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during warm-up.
>
> This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in the
> encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main power for
> the 327) listed for power.
>
> What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
GTX-327
> Transponder
>
>
> Dave,
>
> You can do it either way! Pin 14 is switched out limited to 1.5 amps
> which is well below the use of the encoder. If you use an avionics
> master you can go to pin 15 which is power into the transponder or you
> could go directly to a circuit breaker.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> & Elaine Lamphere
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:12 PM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> GTX-327 Transponder
>
>
>
> Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is getting
> it's
> power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin GTX327
> transponder?
>
> I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for
> 1.5A
> max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during
> warm-up.
>
> This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in the
> encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main power
> for
> the 327) listed for power.
>
> What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
> 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
>
>
> 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Radio problem!
> From: "Travis" <travishamblen(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> PROBLEM SOLVED!!! The BNC connector at the antenna was gounding out. I made
a
> whole new cable for good measure, and all the problems are long gone!!!
Thanks
> for all the advice....
>
> Travis
>
>
> mprather(at)spro.net wrote:
> > If you speak into the mic while transmitting, do you hear your voice (from
> > the sidetone) through the headphones? Are other stations able to hear
> > your transmission? With good quality? In addition to adjusting the gain,
> > you might be able to adjust the sidetone volume if everything else appears
> > to be working properly.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matt-
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have an XCom radio in my RV-7A and I am having some problems
> > > transmitting. I seem to receive just fine. When I push the PTT button
on
> > > the pilot control stick I get a static in my headset. If I push the PTT
> > > button on the passenger control stick I get the same static (in the pilot
> > > headset) with the same intensity. When I switch headsets to my backup
> > > headset I don't hear the static when I push the PTT. HOWEVER, the
problem
> > > is much worse in flight (possibly due to a louder environment); on the
> > > ground with the engine shut down the static is minimal. I have not tried
> > > the backup headset in flight. I will fly tonight with the other headset
> > > to see if this eliminates the problem, but I don't think it will. Since
> > > it only happens when transmitting I am starting to think there is a
> > > problem with the PTT wiring?? Any ideas to start me out? I will report
> > > back with the results of using a different headset. Could this be a gain
> > > adjustment needed (I can adjust the gain)?
> > >
> > > Travis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130771#130771
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131000#131000
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere(at)vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection
>
>
> Thanks Mike.
>
> I'll go with pin 14 as it will be easier just to put that wire (from
> encoder-xpndr cable) on a pin and insert it into the transponder socket.
> Otherwize, it would be harder to do (either putting more than one wire in a
> transponder pin or running a wire back from the connector bundle).
>
> Just wanted to be sure I was interpreting the information correctly..
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:41 PM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> GTX-327 Transponder
>
>
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > You can do it either way! Pin 14 is switched out limited to 1.5 amps
> > which is well below the use of the encoder. If you use an avionics
> > master you can go to pin 15 which is power into the transponder or you
> > could go directly to a circuit breaker.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> > & Elaine Lamphere
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:12 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> > GTX-327 Transponder
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is getting
> > it's
> > power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin GTX327
> > transponder?
> >
> > I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for
> > 1.5A
> > max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during
> > warm-up.
> >
> > This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in the
> > encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main power
> > for
> > the 327) listed for power.
> >
> > What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
> >
> >
> > 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Blind Encoder Power Connection to Garmin
> GTX-327
> Transponder
> From: Ron Quillin <rjquillin(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> At 13:12 8/25/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyone have a blind altitude encoder (like an AK-350) that is
> >getting it's power from pin 14 (switched power output) on a Garmin
> >GTX327 transponder?
>
> Yes
>
> >I notice that the schematic for the Garmin says that pin is good for
> >1.5A max. The encoder document says it draws .60 amp for 1 min during
warm-up.
>
> OK, no problem there. 0.6A is far less than 1.5A
>
> >This seems to me to be OK, but what puzzles me is that the page in
> >the encoder that lists connections for the 320/327 has pin 15 (main
> >power for the 327) listed for power.
>
> Yes, that is the supply to the 327, and anything else powered from
> pin 14 as well.
> Your encoder document shows connections to/from the 327?
> Either pin could be used, but should you need/want encoder output
> (perhaps for a GPS/LORAN) while the transponder was off, pin 14 would
> not be a good choice for encoder power.
>
> >What have you guys used for powering up the blind encoder??
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: jim-bean(at)att.net
hi all,
I have had a non-responding compass since building the plane (RV-8) and finally
decided to do something about it. Removing the compass and walking around with
it shows it to be working OK. Get it within a foot of the roll-over hoop and it
goes nuts. So the hoop is magnetized. I have tried to degauss it with a TV type
degausser without success. I think that the degausser has to surround the metal
to work, thus the hoop would have to be removed or deguassed before installing
it. I am not about to remove it.
Anyway my solution was to install a remote compass. Good solid WW2 technology.
The transmitter sets in a hole cut in the aft part of the baggage compartment
floor. The front indicator is just a needle operated by a servo, connected to
the transmitter by 4 wires. There is a small inverter to supply 25 volts at 400
Hz. Works very well, just kind of pricey. This compass has aggravated me for so
long I am glad to pay it.
Jim Bean
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>
Subject: RV8-List: RE: Demagnetizing the roll bar
I used a bulk video tape eraser to solve the problem. I have a standard
van's pedestal mount compass on top of the glare shield. It was more than
30 degrees off when first installed.
To demagnetize the roll bar, I first removed all electronics and the compass
from the plane. I ran the tape eraser over all sides of the roll bar, and
the forward hoop of the canopy frame. It took about 4 runs total.
After reinstalling the compass and making the standard N/S and E/W
adjustments, the compass has no swing error.
I recently installed a Dynon EFIS in the panel. Using the installed EFIS
magnetometer and following the Dynon setup instructions I was able to zero
out the heading error in it as well.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (350 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim-bean(at)att.net
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject:
hi all,
I have had a non-responding compass since building the plane (RV-8) and
finally
decided to do something about it. Removing the compass and walking around
with
it shows it to be working OK. Get it within a foot of the roll-over hoop and
it
goes nuts. So the hoop is magnetized. I have tried to degauss it with a TV
type
degausser without success. I think that the degausser has to surround the
metal
to work, thus the hoop would have to be removed or deguassed before
installing
it. I am not about to remove it.
Anyway my solution was to install a remote compass. Good solid WW2
technology.
The transmitter sets in a hole cut in the aft part of the baggage
compartment
floor. The front indicator is just a needle operated by a servo, connected
to
the transmitter by 4 wires. There is a small inverter to supply 25 volts at
400
Hz. Works very well, just kind of pricey. This compass has aggravated me for
so
long I am glad to pay it.
Jim Bean
________________________________________________________________________
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Demagnetizing the roll bar |
I got mine from someone who had it lying around.
I just checked eBay. They can be had for $20 or so.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Glasgow
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Demagnetizing the roll bar
Where did you get the bulk video tape eraser?
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Mounting of CI-215 VOR / GS / LOC Antenna in top of VS |
RV8 Archieves show no pictures of mounting this
antenna in the very top of the VS (under the
fiberglass fairing) . Any pictures out there of how
you did it ?
Thanks, Garey
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Looking fOR n75nw |
I was Landing at my home base, LEX. Sunday, and I saw an Un Painted RV8A,
Departing LEX for somewhere in Texas. Just wondering who it is.
Al Grajek
RV8
LEX
algrajek(at)msn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Phillips <flyboy4969(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking fOR n75nw |
faa.gov says 75nw is not assigned or reserved.
--- Al Grajek wrote:
>
>
> I was Landing at my home base, LEX. Sunday, and I
> saw an Un Painted RV8A,
> Departing LEX for somewhere in Texas. Just wondering
> who it is.
> Al Grajek
> RV8
> LEX
> algrajek(at)msn.com
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS |
Greetings:
Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating
back to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same
Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer
Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the
flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour
(taper) of the VS ???
Thanks, Garey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | gis-air or x-pak strobe plsu vans fiberglass extensions |
Has anyone tried to use the fiberglass wingtip position/strobe extensions
from Vans with the gis-air (x-pak) LED/Strobe system? I am thinking of the
LED system as it is $400.00 versus over $700.00 for the whelen non LED one.
I guess I have problems spending $700.00 for 2 strobes and 4 light bulbs.
If so, did it work? Any problems?
Thanks!
Vince H.
Idaho
RV-8 Finish
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Need for Aileron Trim ??? |
Greetings:
Read archieves "Aileron Trim". The few Archieve seem
to indicate "not needed but nice to have". From YOUR
EXPERINCES is it really required OR just nice to
have ???? Other words how useful is it to have ???
Appreciate your opinions in helping me decide whether
I need to install Aileron Trim. ( Will definitely
have Elevator Trim )
Looking for a CI-215 VOR / LOC / GS Antenna. Any body
have one for sale ???
Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Need for Aileron Trim ??? |
As with all things, there is a balance between nice to have and
cost/complexity. For aileron trim however it is a no-brainer, put it in.
Cost is low and it's easy to install.
I have it on my 8A and would not be without it. I will be installing it as
well in my 10. I use a coolly hat on the Infinity stick to control. The
coolly hat operates relays that control the aileron and elevator trim
motors. Relays purchased from Allied.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (350 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Need for Aileron Trim ???
Greetings:
Read archieves "Aileron Trim". The few Archieve seem
to indicate "not needed but nice to have". From YOUR
EXPERINCES is it really required OR just nice to
have ???? Other words how useful is it to have ???
Appreciate your opinions in helping me decide whether
I need to install Aileron Trim. ( Will definitely
have Elevator Trim )
Looking for a CI-215 VOR / LOC / GS Antenna. Any body
have one for sale ???
Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
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the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Rice" <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need for Aileron Trim ??? |
Hey Garey,
I have an RV8, started flying it in May and have the manual trim
system in it. I was lucky enough to have built an airplane flew hands
off the first time with the trim centered. I use the trim only to off
set the imbalance of fuel burn, and that is only on occasion. I would
put it in again as the cost is next to nothing in comparison with other
things and it is nice to be able to take you hand off the stick at any
time and have the plane continue straight ahead.
Best of luck,
Paul Rice
RV8 N64PR
----- Original Message -----
From: Garey Wittich<mailto:gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
To: RV8-List(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Need for Aileron Trim ???
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Hall" <dhall(at)donka.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV7-List: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS |
No. The instructions don't say to match contour. 90 deg works.
Matching the contour really comes into play on the fuse bulkheads..
******************************************
Don Hall
N517DG (registered)
rv7 fuselage
http://rv7.donka.net
******************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: RV7-List: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
--> RV7-List message posted by: Garey Wittich
-->
Greetings:
Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating back to 1999. Understand
RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the
"Newer Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the flanges of the VS
Ribs to match the desired contour
(taper) of the VS ???
Thanks, Garey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location |
Greetings:
Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
cause interference with the Control Stick.
Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
Circuit Breakers on F8101.
Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
too !!!!
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
392-1682
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location |
I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the
quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted
pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and an
alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.
It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested in
the air.
Terry
RV-8A #80729 wiring
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
Greetings:
Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
cause interference with the Control Stick.
Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
Circuit Breakers on F8101.
Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
too !!!!
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
392-1682
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location |
Garey,
Take a look at my web site at _http://www.rv-8a.net/2007.htm_
(http://www.rv-8a.net/2007.htm) and scroll down to 22 April to see what I did for air
vents. Related posts are on 18 Feb and 12 Mar.
Stan Sutterfield
Spruce Creek Fly-in
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location |
| From: | "mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice site. I will be studying it for a few weeks to see what Ideas I can steal.
Looking good
--------
Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140592#140592
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the ire of
several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center line
military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and the
throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand is the left hand.
Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER has to
leave the stick during periods of high work load.
Jim
Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarrel
with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8 will
resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right along
with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when I reach
for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my left
hand is on the stick. Vice versa if necessary for urgent attention to
throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above and Garmin 496
below. The Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the instrument
panel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space on the right
is that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind the panel and
limits the depth there. This also gets all the radios and virtually all of
the in-flight switches and controls over near the throttle quadrant for my
left hand. The angle of attack indicator mounts in a composite enclosure on
top of the instrument panel. I have 2-1/4" asi, altimeter, vsi and TruTrak's
pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of the EFIS. Note that even though the
EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the attitude and heading indicator parts of
the screen are less than 2" from the centerline.
Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up, right
up until I start cutting the final one.
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the ire of
several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center line
military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and the
throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand is the left hand.
Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER has to
leave the stick during periods of high work load.
Jim
Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarrel
with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8 will
resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right along
with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when I reach
for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my left
hand is on the stick. Vice versa if necessary for urgent attention to
throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above and Garmin 496
below. The Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Bill of Georgia,
John Rotunda of Kit-panels.com built my panel and he did really nice work.
Great guy, honest, friendly and reasonable. Go to his website and check it out.
He'll help you disign one if you don't like his offerings.
Dennis of Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought and
things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle switches at bo
ttom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such,=C2-getting in or out ? I kn
ow on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and thrust feet forward m
aneuver needed to get in and seated makes having clearance an issue. Having
never been in an 8, other than setting in my own making motor noises, I'm no
t sure I won't want some of the lesser used items over on the right console.
I also dislike switching hands off the stick and the need to do so almost a
lways is at a time I need most positive control. Is the Blue Mountain EFIS a
bout the same size as the Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I need all the back u
p steam gages? Why do you have them planned? Are they mandatory?=C2-=C2
-Lastly, I did not notice a compass. Is it mounted on top ? Thanks again a
nd best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 9:42 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the instrument pa
nel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space on the right is
that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind the panel and limits
the depth there. This also gets all the radios and virtually all of the in-f
light switches and controls over near the throttle quadrant for my left hand
. The angle of attack indicator mounts in a composite enclosure on top of th
e instrument panel. I have 2-1/4=9D asi, altimeter, vsi and TruTrak
=99s pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of the EFIS. Note that even th
ough the EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the attitude and heading indicator
parts of the screen are less than 2=9D from the centerline.
=C2-
Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up, right
up until I start cutting the final one.
=C2-
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
=C2-
=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
=C2-
And that brings me to my pet peeve,=C2- and this will probably draw the ir
e of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center li
ne military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and t
he throttle is in the left. =C2- As a result, the free hand is the left ha
nd.=C2- Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER
has to leave the stick during periods of high work load. =C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Jim=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Jim:=C2- I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarre
l with it.=C2- That said, I am not persuaded by your argument.=C2- My -8
will resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right al
ong with exterior light switches.=C2- With the -4 it turns out that when I
reach for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my
left hand is on the stick.=C2-Vice versa=C2-if necessary for urgent atte
ntion to throttle or prop.=C2- In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above an
d Garmin 496 below.=C2- The=C2-Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
=C2-
=C2-
Gordon Comfort
N363GC=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dennis, thanks, I'll take a look see. BofG
do noat archive
-----Original Message-----
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Bill of Georgia,
?
John Rotunda of Kit-panels.com built my panel and he did really nice work. Great
guy, honest, friendly and reasonable. Go to his website and check it out. He'll
help you disign one if you don't like his offerings.
?
Dennis of Texas
See w
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Bill,
Your point about bumping the toggle switches at the bottom of the panel is a
good one. I discovered that problem while climbing in and out of the cockpit
with an earlier version. It will be pretty easy to protect the switches, but
I haven't resolved just how to do it yet.
My guess is that the Blue Mountain EFIS/one screen is bigger than the Dynon.
It's a 10.4" display, surrounded by a bezel with switches on the wrong
(right) side.
The reason I have all the steam gauges is that I didn't trust the EFIS/one.
I have been building this project for a long time and bought one of the very
early Blue Mountain designs. Glass cockpits have pretty much proven
themselves since then, but I still liked the idea of having the essential
steam gauges if the EFIS went south. I now think it is overdone, especially
with the track record of companies like Dynon and most especially if it is a
VFR only airplane.
The compass is going to have to go on top of the glare shield. I couldn't
find a place in the panel that would work.
Terry
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought and
things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle switches at
bottom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such, getting in or out ? I know
on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and thrust feet forward
maneuver needed to get in and seated makes having clearance an issue. Having
never been in an 8, other than setting in my own making motor noises, I'm
not sure I won't want some of the lesser used items over on the right
console. I also dislike switching hands off the stick and the need to do so
almost always is at a time I need most positive control. Is the Blue
Mountain EFIS about the same size as the Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I need
all the back up steam gages? Why do you have them planned? Are they
mandatory? Lastly, I did not notice a compass. Is it mounted on top ?
Thanks again and best regards, Bill of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Switch guards might solve the problem of snagging.
Note the attached pix of MiG-21 (right console panel) and MiG-23 second
email due to size of jpg file(to the right of the red marked switch).
Little U shaped guards riveted either side of the switch permit finger
access but generally guard against snagging, as in when climbing in and
out.
Gail Peck
USAF Weapons School
RV-8 Builder (new guy - tail almost done)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought
and things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle
switches at bottom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such, getting in
or out ? I know on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and
thrust feet forward maneuver needed to get in and seated makes having
clearance an issue. Having never been in an 8, other than setting in my
own making motor noises, I'm not sure I won't want some of the lesser
used items over on the right console. I also dislike switching hands off
the stick and the need to do so almost always is at a time I need most
positive control. Is the Blue Mountain EFIS about the same size as the
Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I need all the back up steam gages? Why do
you have them planned? Are they mandatory? Lastly, I did not notice a
compass. Is it mounted on top ? Thanks again and best regards, Bill of
Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 9:42 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the
instrument panel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space
on the right is that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind
the panel and limits the depth there. This also gets all the radios and
virtually all of the in-flight switches and controls over near the
throttle quadrant for my left hand. The angle of attack indicator mounts
in a composite enclosure on top of the instrument panel. I have 2-1/4"
asi, altimeter, vsi and TruTrak's pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of
the EFIS. Note that even though the EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the
attitude and heading indicator parts of the screen are less than 2" from
the centerline.
Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up,
right up until I start cutting the final one.
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Gordon or
Marge
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw
the ire of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any
center line military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the
right hand and the throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand
is the left hand. Military designers try to lay out switches so the
right hand NEVER has to leave the stick during periods of high work
load.
Jim
Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not
quarrel with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8
will resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right
along with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when
I reach for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by
magic, my left hand is on the stick. Vice versa if necessary for urgent
attention to throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above
and Garmin 496 below. The Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| From: | "Chris Lynch" <lynch66(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Bill,
Take a look at the switch guards offered here;
http://www.periheliondesign.com/switchguards.htm
Chris
>From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:03:23 -0400
>
>Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought and
>things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle switches at
>bottom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such,getting in or out ? I
>know on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and thrust feet
>forward maneuver needed to get in and seated makes having clearance an
>issue. Having never been in an 8, other than setting in my own making motor
>noises, I'm not sure I won't want some of the lesser used items over on the
>right console. I also dislike switching hands off the stick and the need to
>do so almost always is at a time I need most positive control. Is the Blue
>Mountain EFIS about the same size as the Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I
>need all the back up steam gages? Why do you have them planned? Are they
>mandatory?Lastly, I did not notice a compass. Is it mounted on top ?
>Thanks again and best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 9:42 pm
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>
>
>I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the instrument
>panel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space on the right
>is that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind the panel and
>limits the depth there. This also gets all the radios and virtually all of
>the in-flight switches and controls over near the throttle quadrant for my
>left hand. The angle of attack indicator mounts in a composite enclosure on
>top of the instrument panel. I have 2-1/4 asi, altimeter, vsi and
>TruTraks pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of the EFIS. Note that even
>though the EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the attitude and heading
>indicator parts of the screen are less than 2 from the centerline.
>
>
>Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up, right
>up until I start cutting the final one.
>
>
>Terry
>
>RV-8A wiring
>
>Seattle
>
>
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
January 12, 2007 - October 20, 2007
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