Rocket-Archive.digest.vol-aj
November 22, 2002 - May 29, 2003
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)" ,
"EAA 21 (E-mail)" ,
"Ric Merriwether (E-mail)"
All - A friend and RV pilot called me last night with sad news that he is
selling his RV6a. He is asking $45,000 for it, which is a steal!!!!! I've
flown this plane, and it flies great. Some of the vital statistics:
RV-6a with slider canopy; approx 200 hours; licensed '96
Lycoming O-320B3B (160hp), 900 SMOH, chrome cylinders
all cylinders checked in mid/upper 70's at last annual.
Sensenich metal prop
Phlogiston spar
Navaid autopilot
Apollo Flybuddy GPS
Terra Nav-com with glideslope
Xponder with encoder
Intercom
Audio panel with 3 lite marker beacon
Vacuum horizon and DG
Manual elevator and aileron trim
New main tires; nose tire recent
March '02 annual; will supply fresh annual with sale
Please call Leonard at 479-649-0761 (Fort Smith, Arkansas)
he does not have e-mail.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
\"Rocket-List Digest (E-mail)\""
The RV-6A in Arkansas is sold. I knew it wouldn't last thru the weekend. You
gotta be ready to jump when these things pop up.
Someone inquired why it was for sale. Owner's health has taken a big hit recently
and he felt it was time to give up flying. Bummer. Pray for him and his
family. They're facing some tough times.
Vince
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status... |
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List FAQs! |
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?" |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | "Bill and Janet asbell" <kj(at)wworld.com> |
"Rocket-List Digest Server" ,
"Monty" , "Mark F" ,
"Jeff" , "Dan" ,
"Darryl Naegeli" , "Dallas" ,
"Chuck" , "Chuck N" ,
"Aaron"
| Subject: | Fw: [Acro] Why Bruce Bohannon Doesn't Compete Any More |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Boyd" <aboyd(at)igs.net>
Subject: [Acro] Why Bruce Bohannon Doesn't Compete Any More
> http://www.avweb.com/articles/profiles/bbohannon/
>
> He says:
>
>
> I built and flew Pitts Specials in competition and air shows. I never went
> on the national scale but I flew all the local shows. In the post-Leo
> Laudenslager generation they just kept making the sequences harder and
> harder -- to try to punish the monoplanes -- and they really didn't punish
> the monoplanes at all, but they just pushed the Pitts right into
> dinosaurdom. I kept complaining that "I'm destroying my airplane, trying
to
> fly it in Unlimited," and they said, "Well, that's what the other, lower
> categories are for." My point was that some day all you're going to be
> measuring is who is the best aerobatic pilot in the country that can
afford
> a quarter-million dollar airplane, and, that's absolutely what they're
> measuring now, and the pool is fairly, fairly thin.
> So the judging in competitive aerobatics is what prompted me to start air
> racing. One judge would give you a ten on a maneuver and the other one
give
> you a five. I'd drag those two guys together and say, "What did both of
> y'all see? How can this be? How can I all but zero the maneuver in your
eyes
> and you -- the other guy -- think I did it perfect?" I realized that there
> was just a whole lot of politics in how well you score. It depended on how
> much they liked you. After I watched the first air race I said, "You know,
> when that guy crossed the finish line everybody knows who won."
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| Subject: | Rockets at Reno 2003 |
Fellas:
I hear that Ted Rutherford is telling Rocket drivers that attendance and
participation in the Reno 2003 races is highly recommended, if not mandatory!
If anyone can increase Reno attendance by a factor of 10 all by himself, Ted
can.
If Harry Paine goes, I will. Got that, Harry? No way Russ will be ready in
time...
Formation School (June, I think) is mandatory for all newbies. See ya there!
Cheers!
Mark
Team Rocket LP
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Fw: RV-List: Seat Belt Data |
Here's a post I did for the RV List which may be of interest to Rocket
builders.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman"
>
> Here are some seat belt details. All prices USD. Canadians see the bottom
for the best domestic deal.
> This post could use more details. Help!
>
>
> HOOKER - Sport Set 1.75" wide
> http://www.hookerharness.com/
> 3.9 lbs per seat $312.50 per seat with military latches and $499 with the
rotary buckles.
> Available from Team Rocket at
>
http://www.teamrocketaircraft.com/TeamRocketAircraftcgi/hazel.exe?CLIENT4571
2279&SEARCH_LOGIC%2B&SEARCH_KEY_CAT&SEARCH_LOGIC%2B&SEARCH_KEY_PRICE&SEARCH_
LOGIC%2B&SEARCH_COMP%3A&SEARCH_KEY_KEYWORDShooker&SEARCH_LOGIC%2B&PIXON&DETO
N&SEARCH_MAXHITS10&SUBMIT_ACTION_SEARCHBegin+Search&client45712279
> Huge link Batman! If it doesn't work goto
> http://www.teamrocketaircraft.com/
> and do a catalog search for "Hooker".
> Note that these belts are available in three widths, 1.75", 2", and 3".
The 3" are likely to be considerably heavier.
> They come in two colors of your choice and are undiputably the best
looking belts out there. Mega colors available. Best looking is to take your
aircraft color as the main color and detail with grey.
> Has anyone with the Simpson belts tried taking the name advertising off
them? Because they would look alright otherwise. I just don't like the huge
brand name on each strap.
>
>
> SCROTCH
> http://www.schroth.com/index.html
> $415 per seat from http://www.wingsandwheels.com/index.html
> They quoted 3 lbs per seat for the 4 belt sytem, no word on which latches
were used.
>
>
> PACIFIC AERO HARNESS
> These are the ones that Van used to sell but he has gone out of buisness
recently due to supplier cost increases. His 5 point belts weighed 4.5 lbs.
Webpage not available anymore.
>
>
> SIMPSON - available in 2" or 3" - an old post on the RV List said the 3"
were too wide for RV's and that 2" would be better, more comphy and lighter.
Vince, how do yours feel?
> http://www.simpsonracing.com/Shop/ShowProduct.asp?category83&Product89
> $99 per seat
> These have the military style buckle. Note we need the floor mount Y
Harness.
>
>
> RACEQUIP
> http://racequip.com/ushop/index.cgi?IDD5EIVA&taskshow&catHARNESSES
> $85 per seat
>
>
> Best deal for Canadians:
> http://www.leafracewear.com/pricing.htm#26
> Caltalog available on request.
> Military buckles 5 strap part #70049 $79 USD or $125 Canadian per seat
> Camlocks part #75049 $179 USD or $270 Canadian per seat. "V" type
> These belts are available in 7 colors and the slip on shoulder pads are an
option. These belts are apparently 3" wide but I'm not completely sure. Most
race cars these days use nothing but 3". I would try asking if 2" are
available, might save some more dough.
> Home page at http://www.leafracewear.com/
> Great pricing on lots of stuff.
>
> Another great reasonably priced Canadian supply house is
> http://www.guyons.com/
> They stock every single item to build a complete race car and are located
in Edmonton Alberta. Huge catalog available but I think you have to own a
race car to get one. No price list, they want the phone calls.
>
> I would like to see some discussion on what style of belt RVers should buy
when ordering from race car supply houses. I am looking at "V" types but I
could be wrong. There are also "H" types. Perhaps different RV models are
better suited to a particular style.
>
>
> Norman Hunger
> RV6A Delta BC
> CASCAR Sportsman #96 team owner/driver (working twards 2004 Super Series,
just need another quarter mil or so)
>
>
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| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Wheel pant access holes for air |
Tom and I used the standard size 1 1/2" stainless cover availble anythere
they sell plumbing stuff (Wal-Mart) and the "truck" tire/tube extention from
our local NAPA store. We made a ring cut out of alum scrap that matched the
plug, riveted it to the inside of the pant. The thickness of the ring and
the pant materials made for a tight fit for the cover. We used chrome valve
stem covers (5/16" six point type) that makes it easier to see, remove and
check the pressure as a one man operation. Lots of landings and HRII speed,
everythings still intact. A small paint mark on the side of tire would solve
the location of the stem problem. Line up the stem and the hole, mark the
tire at the lowest part of the rim. (We used a yellow "paint stick", NAPA
also, to make the dot.) Archive, this might save a re-invent of the
wheel. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith and Jean Williams" <kandjwilliams(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Wheel pant access holes for air
>
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Norman,
The Simpson Racing p/n 29063 belts with 3" webbing and crotch strap weigh 4.89
pounds right out of the box. The shoulder harness will be shortened for most
installations so the final weight will be slightly less.
Simpson also sells a nice 2" webbing, 5 point belt set. P/N 29026(belts) and 31012(crotch
strap) for about $75. The weight of this set would be much less.
The Simpson logo stiched to the belt will come right off with a little help from
your wife's thread ripper.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone have a comfortable solution to a seat for the rocket, I am
getting tired of sitting on a foam pillow and am looking for something that
will make those extended trips with my new tip tanks a bit more enjoyable,
on that line, anyone ever tried a relief tube and/or have any suggestions on
how to put one in. I could live in that plane if I got those items out of
the way.
Thanks
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Subject: Rocket-List: seat belts
Norman,
The Simpson Racing p/n 29063 belts with 3" webbing and crotch strap weigh
4.89 pounds right out of the box. The shoulder harness will be shortened
for most installations so the final weight will be slightly less.
Simpson also sells a nice 2" webbing, 5 point belt set. P/N 29026(belts)
and 31012(crotch strap) for about $75. The weight of this set would be much
less.
The Simpson logo stiched to the belt will come right off with a little help
from your wife's thread ripper.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
try www.teamsimpson.com Or Call them and get a paper catalog which shows dozens
of diferent belts. 1-800-654-7223
direct links
http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/29063.html
http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/29025.html
http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/antisub.html
There you go.
BTW, the www.simpsonracing.com site sucks. Not much info there.
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Japundza [mailto:Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
how's come I can't find the 29026 and 31012 belts on their site?
-----Original Message-----
From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier(at)usi.edu]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
yes
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Japundza [mailto:Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
Do you have a set of these belts?
-----Original Message-----
From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier(at)usi.edu]
Subject: Rocket-List: seat belts
Norman,
The Simpson Racing p/n 29063 belts with 3" webbing and crotch strap weigh 4.89
pounds right out of the box. The shoulder harness will be shortened for most
installations so the final weight will be slightly less.
Simpson also sells a nice 2" webbing, 5 point belt set. P/N 29026(belts) and 31012(crotch
strap) for about $75. The weight of this set would be much less.
The Simpson logo stiched to the belt will come right off with a little help from
your wife's thread ripper.
Vince
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| From: | "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane(at)netzero.net> |
I have always used RCI belts. A good value at $59.99.
Basically same thing as Simpson. Something to look into.
-Linc
>
> try www.teamsimpson.com Or Call them and get a paper catalog which shows
dozens of different belts. 1-800-654-7223
>
> direct links
> http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/29063.html
> http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/29025.html
> http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/antisub.html
>
> There you go.
>
> BTW, the www.simpsonracing.com site sucks. Not much info there.
>
> Vince
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1st month Free!
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| From: | "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)osbtown.com> |
Hey Ernest, Apparently Summit Parts has a contour seat that might fit in a
rocket, I saw one in a starduster and the guy said its very comfortable,
will it fit the Rocket ? maybe someone out there knows, On the relief tube,
use the original range extender, a rubber band, a straw and a coke bottle
: ) :) Us old sailplane types used plastic baggies and pitched them out
the window to have them smash themselves on the empennage. Enjoy, Bob,
Beckwourth, Ca----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Seats etc.
<ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
>
> Does anyone have a comfortable solution to a seat for the rocket, I am
> getting tired of sitting on a foam pillow and am looking for something
that
> will make those extended trips with my new tip tanks a bit more enjoyable,
> on that line, anyone ever tried a relief tube and/or have any suggestions
on
> how to put one in. I could live in that plane if I got those items out of
> the way.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernest
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frazier,
> Vincent A
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: seat belts
>
>
> Norman,
>
> The Simpson Racing p/n 29063 belts with 3" webbing and crotch strap weigh
> 4.89 pounds right out of the box. The shoulder harness will be shortened
> for most installations so the final weight will be slightly less.
>
> Simpson also sells a nice 2" webbing, 5 point belt set. P/N 29026(belts)
> and 31012(crotch strap) for about $75. The weight of this set would be
much
> less.
>
> The Simpson logo stiched to the belt will come right off with a little
help
> from your wife's thread ripper.
>
> Vince
>
>
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| From: | "SKYSHOP" <duba(at)gate.net> |
Rocket seats
This is my first posting to this group. My name is Danny and I run Skyshop
(www.skyshops.org )builder assistance and after-market parts business. We
have designed many interiors for aircraft we have worked on (I have helped
to build over 100 Glastars and Zenith aircraft). Our sister company is
currently producing Rocket interiors so if anyone would like more
information, please e-mail us - danny(at)skyshops.org.
Danny SKYSHOP INC.. Fastbuilds & Floats
USA distributor for Czech Aircraft Works
e-mail zaneta(at)skyshops.org Phone # 772-223-8915 Fax # 772-382-0607
cell # 772-370-9465
1837 S. FEDERAL HWY # 200, STUART, FLORIDA 34994 USA
www.skyshops.org
Does anyone have a comfortable solution to a seat for the rocket, I am
getting tired of sitting on a foam pillow and am looking for something that
will make those extended trips with my new tip tanks a bit more enjoyable,
on that line, anyone ever tried a relief tube and/or have any suggestions on
how to put one in. I could live in that plane if I got those items out of
the way.
Thanks
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Subject: Rocket-List: seat belts
Norman,
The Simpson Racing p/n 29063 belts with 3" webbing and crotch strap weigh
4.89 pounds right out of the box. The shoulder harness will be shortened
for most installations so the final weight will be slightly less.
Simpson also sells a nice 2" webbing, 5 point belt set. P/N 29026(belts)
and 31012(crotch strap) for about $75. The weight of this set would be much
less.
The Simpson logo stiched to the belt will come right off with a little help
from your wife's thread ripper.
Vince
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| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
I'm gonna run over to their store either today or tomorrow and have a look at them.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier(at)usi.edu]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
try www.teamsimpson.com Or Call them and get a paper catalog which shows dozens
of diferent belts. 1-800-654-7223
direct links
http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/29063.html
http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/29025.html
http://www.teamsimpson.com/catalog/restraints/antisub.html
There you go.
BTW, the www.simpsonracing.com site sucks. Not much info there.
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Japundza [mailto:Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
how's come I can't find the 29026 and 31012 belts on their site?
-----Original Message-----
From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier(at)usi.edu]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
yes
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Japundza [mailto:Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com]
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: seat belts
Do you have a set of these belts?
-----Original Message-----
From: Frazier, Vincent A [mailto:VFrazier(at)usi.edu]
Subject: Rocket-List: seat belts
Norman,
The Simpson Racing p/n 29063 belts with 3" webbing and crotch strap weigh 4.89
pounds right out of the box. The shoulder harness will be shortened for most
installations so the final weight will be slightly less.
Simpson also sells a nice 2" webbing, 5 point belt set. P/N 29026(belts) and 31012(crotch
strap) for about $75. The weight of this set would be much less.
The Simpson logo stiched to the belt will come right off with a little help from
your wife's thread ripper.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
I am desparate to find a suitable molded plastic seat for the Rocket! I am
about to try (Heaven Forbid) J. C. Whitney's polypropelene seat. Beyond
that I will go to the race car shops/catalogues. If anybody knows a solution
PLEASE respond! Les Featherston HRII N206KT Might fly
in Feb? (I know, which year?)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Relief in flight! |
To ehale and the rest of you Jon Johansen-type bladder busters out there!
After all those looooooong flights in the airliners, I
believe I have a solution for you. Actually, my brother-in-law came up with
this. Say's when he wants to watch 8 or 10 hours of fooball on TV, he just
gets a couple of six-packs and wears his Depends. Claims it works great!
Easier than cutting a hole in the bottom of your beloved Rocket.
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| From: | "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Relief in flight! |
Morocketman, I can't believe that you would mention Depends. That's not even
funny.
Your Brother-in-law is one twisted individual. There isn't a football game
ever broadcasted worth peeing yourself. I Certainly hope you are not
serious about anything you said.
Perhaps a small venturi - the type used to run an old "needle-and-ball" turn
indicator would work.
They are very inexpensive and common as dirt.
Happy Building all,
Linc
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1st month Free!
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| From: | "Lee" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Relief in flight! |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of flyseaplane
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Relief in flight!
* Rocket-List message posted by: "flyseaplane"
Morocketman, I can't believe that you would mention Depends. That's not even
funny.
Utterly unbelievable that someone actually took that "football watcher"
comment seriously! <:) <:) HAH! (personally, Depends would be a
whole bunch preferable to trying to clean off my seat cushions! <:))(Not to
mention my pants and myself!:) :).) (There are a LOT of planes that have
greater endurance than me. That isn't the point of them-it is being able to
have a choice as to where and when to fuel up. Fly in Alaska just a little,
and it will be impressed on you just how important this can be.)
Lee
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
> I am desparate to find a suitable molded plastic seat for the Rocket! I
am
> about to try (Heaven Forbid) J. C. Whitney's polypropelene seat. Beyond
> that I will go to the race car shops/catalogues. If anybody knows a
solution
> PLEASE respond! Les Featherston HRII N206KT Might
fly
> in Feb? (I know, which year?)
Have you guys tried the molded temperfoam seats from Oregon Aero?
http://www.oregonaero.com/
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
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| From: | Art Glaser <airplane(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Relief in flight! |
Check chief aircraft for relief tube parts
flyseaplane wrote:
>
> Morocketman, I can't believe that you would mention Depends. That's not even
> funny.
> Your Brother-in-law is one twisted individual. There isn't a football game
> ever broadcasted worth peeing yourself. I Certainly hope you are not
> serious about anything you said.
>
> Perhaps a small venturi - the type used to run an old "needle-and-ball" turn
> indicator would work.
> They are very inexpensive and common as dirt.
>
> Happy Building all,
> Linc
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 1st month Free!
>
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| From: | JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com |
Les, re: molded seat. In Australia a couple months ago, I rode in a RV4
that had a Jon Johansen molded seat in front. I was the back-seater but sat
in the front on ground ... it seemed really comfortable... I don't recall the
price but it was mentioned and hit me as a bit steep at the time !
Regards, John Meyers Golden, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
A few years ago several of us bought seats from Johanson for use in -4s and
-8s. The seat fit my RV-4 perfectly, however for a variety of reasons I
decided not to use it. I don't know if Jon still sells this seat, I think he
has a web site you could check.
Ray Grenier
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| From: | Captain Kaos <kaos(at)captainkaos.com> |
On 19/12/2002 10:05, "JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> Les, re: molded seat. In Australia a couple months ago, I rode in a RV4
> that had a Jon Johansen molded seat in front. I was the back-seater but sat
> in the front on ground ... it seemed really comfortable... I don't recall the
> price but it was mentioned and hit me as a bit steep at the time !
>
> Regards, John Meyers Golden, CO
>
There between 300 and 600 aussie dollars
And if you want some photos email me direct
The fit in the Hr2
--
Captain Kaos
--
http://www.captainkaos.com
http://www.teamrocket.com.au/chapter4
kaos(at)captainkaos.com
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| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
A buddy of mine bought one for his RV4 front hole. Very comfortable but
a bit restraining. I believe once you get over the price of admission
.....you have to deal with the shipping which from he told me was
another $300 to the US. (he had a United driver bring it back from a
trip). I'm sure one could make another manufacturer's shell fit as
well.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Molded seats |
| From: | Captain Kaos <kaos(at)captainkaos.com> |
http://members15.clubphoto.com/captain649635/guest-1.phtml
Here are some photos if you want a look
For the few that have meet me im not to small of a guy but fit well into the
seat
Hope this helps
To save money on shipping you should get ship a few at a time
>
> And if you want some photos email me direct
> The fit in the Hr2
>
> --
> Captain Kaos>
>
> A buddy of mine bought one for his RV4 front hole. Very comfortable but
> a bit restraining. I believe once you get over the price of admission
> .....you have to deal with the shipping which from he told me was
> another $300 to the US. (he had a United driver bring it back from a
> trip). I'm sure one could make another manufacturer's shell fit as
> well.
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| From: | JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com |
Listers, I haven't been following RV list but an item crossed over to the
Rocket List, which I do follow.... item: "sliding canopy" and "canopy open in
flight". My project is stuck on that.
My HRocketII project is well along but I'm being slowed down by the canopy...
I have the Frederick slider kit with sloped windshield option. None of this
is installed yet but I have cardboard and foam chunks taped-on trying to
change the design to fit my goals. I want a slider for the front pit..
openable (with usual limits) in flight. I am trying to rig the canopy so
that is rolls back on a robust track system limited to about 22 inches
travel... access to the rear pit requires that the canopy then open via
secondary system, likely the RV4 tilt (not to be done in-flight!). Yep, I
know Pitts/Christen does it on the bipes, but haven't studied that too much.
Anyone in DEN area want to "consult" or lend a hand on this
engineering/fabrication drill ? Will trade time, firewood, $$ or whatever.
I need to get this hangar queen airborne !
John Meyers Golden, CO johntmey(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: CanopyCravings |
John--
A prospective RV builder asked the RV List if the stock slider canopy could be
opened in flight like on the Grumman American/Tiger, etc. The Grumman canopy
rails have a notch that the canopy locks into keeping it open (maybe about a
foot?)--there's a speed restriction of 110 KIAS (mph?).
I replied as follows:
When flight testing the Super 6 I flew with the stock slider canopy open. The
nose
really wants to come up, even at take-off speed. Let's see, low airspeed and
nose
high--hmm, that reminds me of something--it'll come to me. Because of the way
the
airplane handled and concerns about the canopy attachment hardware, I didn't do
any
sustained flight above 85 mph. Rudder control seemed appropriate for the
airspeed. The wind and noise coming in that wide cockpit on the -6 was
impressive and there
was a very strong suction draft between the canopy skirts and the aft fuselage.
I would expect that the aerodynamics of the open narrower Rocket canopy will be
different, but based on my limited experience (about 30 min total) I decided not
to further persue that particular flight regime.
Boyd.
Venice, FL
JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Listers, I haven't been following RV list but an item crossed over to the
> Rocket List, which I do follow.... item: "sliding canopy" and "canopy open in
> flight". My project is stuck on that.
>
> My HRocketII project is well along but I'm being slowed down by the canopy...
> I have the Frederick slider kit with sloped windshield option. None of this
> is installed yet but I have cardboard and foam chunks taped-on trying to
> change the design to fit my goals. I want a slider for the front pit..
> openable (with usual limits) in flight. I am trying to rig the canopy so
> that is rolls back on a robust track system limited to about 22 inches
> travel... access to the rear pit requires that the canopy then open via
> secondary system, likely the RV4 tilt (not to be done in-flight!). Yep, I
> know Pitts/Christen does it on the bipes, but haven't studied that too much.
>
> Anyone in DEN area want to "consult" or lend a hand on this
> engineering/fabrication drill ? Will trade time, firewood, $$ or whatever.
> I need to get this hangar queen airborne !
>
> John Meyers Golden, CO johntmey(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
> Can you elaborate on "dried out"?
Sorry but I can't. I'll have to ask. I assume it means when they get stiff.
Norman
> >
> > About using old belts:
> > The league I race in has a three year rule on seat belts. Our belts have
to
> > have a date tag on them. We can also fail tech inspection if our belts
are
> > considered dried out. Just how old are these military surplus belts you
> > have?
> >
> > Norman Hunger
> > RV6A Delta BC
>
>
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| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
wake up.. how much is your life worth???
when you really need that seat belt to work what would youi pay to save your
skin to fly again???? 100 bucks 300bucks think about it..........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Blair" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com> |
Any updates/confirmation on downed F1?
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 12/22/02 9:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
blairclan(at)bigpond.com writes:
> Any updates/confirmation on downed F1?
>
>
Newspaper account (for what it's worth):=A0
http://www.herald-coaster.com/front1.shtml
> Pilot killed when small aircraft crashes in fieldROSENBERG -- A Houston man
> was killed Friday afternoon when his small plane crashed in a rice field
> here.
>
> Authorities identified the victim as Thomas Dwight Creekmore, 70, who was
> piloting the homemade aircraft.
>
> The aircraft crashed just north of U.S. 90A near Spencer Road about one
> mile north of the Rosenberg city limits, said Sharon Snelgrove, a
> spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety.
>
> Snelgrove said it was not clear where the aircraft took off or where it was
> headed.
>
>
> N140TC is Assigned
>
>
> Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description
>
> Serial Number=A0=A0030=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Type Registration=A0=A0Individual
> Manufacturer NameCREEKMORE THOMAS D Certificate Issue Date09/21/2001
> ModelTEAM ROCKET F-1 StatusValid
> Type AircraftFixed Wing Single-EngineType EngineReciprocating
> Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo
> Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code50122134
> MFR YearNone Fractional OwnerNO
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: stiffening the canopy and defrost fans |
----- Original Message -----
From: LarryRobertHelming
To: nhunger(at)sprint.ca
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: stiffening the canopy and defrost fans
Norman: I read your recent post on the list on the captioned topics.
I was just wondering if you gave thought to just cutting some slots in the top
of the canopy frame for natural warm air updraft from behind the panel rather
than using the defrost fans as you have done? I suppose that things could drop
into that kind of slot and get lost.
Also, did you give consideration to using the inexpensive personal computer fans
for the defrosters?
Larry in Indiana, working on an RV7 to be named 3XG if its girl. Or 3XB if its
a nose wheeler
Hi Larry and the List,
The fans are inexpensive computer fans. When selecting them you have to be carefull
that they have the right kind of bearing in them to be mounted horizontal.
The dealer should be able to look this up in one of those big books behind the
counter. Most small fan motors are designed to be verticle and would wear out
in short order when mounted flat.
Mine are mounted quite far forward to take advantage of the warm air that is behind
the panel. They have stainless steel screen covers that nothing can fall
into. They blow a significant amount of air. I have two and they are lined up
with each occupants vision.
I live on the west coast of Canada where it is habitually moist. Window defogging
is some thing that I use in my cars every day that it rains. I keep air moving
over the glass whenever it is wet outside. Even in the depth of winter I never
put all the heat to my feet. I see the main mission of my aircraft as a XC
machine so I think I will see more rain than most. Nothing worse than constantly
having to wipe the plexi just to see out. Keep warm air moving accross the
plexi and it will stay dry and clear.
I have major doubts that there will be enough heat to call them defrosters. Lets
just call them defoggers. There is no way they could melt off a covering of
ice in flight but I could be wrong. I am not flying yet nor do I plan on testing
this theory.
Perhaps some one could host two pictures for me?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Engine Hoist - Vancouver BC Area |
Hi Listers, I just scored a 5 ton hydralic engine hoist a few days ago and wanted
to offer it out to any RV/Rocket builders in my area. This thing is huge. It
has two different lifting arms for the front, one for low clearance and a regular
straight one. Actuation is by a hand pump deal simular to a bottle jack
but much bigger. I've also got a selection of chains and straps. The whole thing
pins together so it fits inside my Expedition no problem. Would go inside a
mini van with no seats.
The only thing I ask for is an hour of dual if you fly before me but I will recipricate
and provide an hour dual for you if I beat you to first flight. For two
hours I will deliver and retrieve the hoist.
Please plan your engine installation to limit use to a one week period if you are
doing it in CASCAR's racing season because I need quick access to it when the
heat is on. Winter months it can go out for longer periods.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Tedd, can you repost on the Western Canadian Wing list?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | 1 1/2" Beauty Ring |
A name brand paint outlet....Dun Edwards, Kelly Moore, Sherwin
Williams.......have little round louvered vents for facia/attic
ventilation. I believe they are around 1 1/2" and have louvers. Light
aluminum and cheap. Aircraft Spruce duct flanges might work but are a
bit pricey by each piece.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jarrod Haning" <jehudemus(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | general questions |
Like many of you I have an admiration for the Harmon / F1 concept, a small difference
being that my project is a few years out from even getting started. Right
now I am trying to beat the learning curve and gather some information. As
you can imagine I have a plethora of questions, some of which might be a tad basic
for this e:mail list. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to share
some of their expertise or be willing to field a dozen basic questions from
a newbie? Over the phone or through e:mail?
thanks for your time,
Jarrod Haning
jehudemus(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | "Wolfgang Meyn" <mw104(at)netmdc.com> |
| Subject: | general questions |
Sure.
Contact me
mw104(at)netmdc.com
Wolfgang Meyn (F1 #77)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jarrod
Haning
Subject: Rocket-List: general questions
Like many of you I have an admiration for the Harmon / F1 concept, a
small difference being that my project is a few years out from even
getting started. Right now I am trying to beat the learning curve and
gather some information. As you can imagine I have a plethora of
questions, some of which might be a tad basic for this e:mail list. Is
there anyone out there who would be willing to share some of their
expertise or be willing to field a dozen basic questions from a newbie?
Over the phone or through e:mail?
thanks for your time,
Jarrod Haning
jehudemus(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Southern Calif Rocketmen flyers furture flyins |
This message is for all people below with flying airplanes and those I
don't have. If you are interested in attending flyins and flying to
somewhere together for a $100 hamburger or breakfast
please let me know offline by email
Harry Paine
760-639-4583
Ted Rutherford
Jim Webber
Jim Janzen
Garry Banducci
Ron Bracken
Norm Cooper
Chris Kidd
Dale Stanley
Noel Rodman SLO
Carl Wright
Gary Cole CMA
Jack Hogen SPZ
Jack Hodge
Danny Hurd
Tom Gummo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Electric Seat Makers |
Want heated seats right now for $30 USD? Check out
http://www.smarthome.com/9290.html
if you have a spare cig lighter socket to plug it in. They are seat covers that
you can put right on top of your seats. I think some one could take a pair of
these and some foam and have the wife sew some fabric to the sides and bottom
making them into custom heated seats. What do others think?
Canadian veiwers can get a product very simular at Canadian tire for $80. Go figure.
These guys are making a simular product for $50
http://www.skingcompany.com/index.asp#Heating+Products
goto heating products
These guys appear to make the ones GM uses
http://www.checkcorp.com/
use this page to find a dealer near you
http://www.checkcorp.com/locate.htm
you might want to consider using this list to select your seat maker.
This company sells three different types.
1 - one setting - not recommended (by me)
2 - hi/low setting - these will do just fine
3 - dual temperature system - not sure exactly what this means. It could mean that
the seat back could be made hotter than the seat bottom. This would be a great
feature as I have found that if you have a bulky jacket on, you are insulated
from the true toastyness that is possible. The seat bottoms are always toasty
through a pair of jeans but sometimes more on your back would be better.
I have also seen some European cars with fully variable reostats controlling the
seat heating. This is what that motorcycle vest making company uses that was
talked about here a week ago. He claimed the reostat is $80 of the price.
I forget what my electric seats use for power but I think it was 4 amps per seat
on low. The current flows through a carbon fiber mesh that in installed just
under my leather seatcovers. Fabric seatcovers might deliver more bang for the
buck.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
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| From: | "Shane Summerhays" <ssummerhays(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Vertical or horizontal induction |
Dear friends,
My Father and building partner are clipping along on our fuselage and
have ordered our finish kit recently. We have not yet bought a motor
but we are considering the superior xp360 injected version. It is a
parallel valve with a vertical induction. My question is how much
drag does the chin scoop create with the vertical induction?
Does the slight boost from the ram air on a chin scoop version outweigh
the lack of drag from a non chin scoop cowl that is used with horizontal
induction? Does anyone have any hard numbers to compare the 2 cowl
versions?. I think the xp360 can be converted to a horizontal draft
induction but is it worth the bother? Any comments would be
appreciated. The bottom line is given the same motor which cowl is
faster, chin scoop or non chin scoop?
Shane Summerhays
Salt Lake City Utah
Flying rv6
Fuse rv8
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| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/05/03 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Norman,
Thanks for sharing this with us. I ordered 2 seat heaters from Smarthome. I'll
let everyone know how they work whenever they get here. Supposed to ship mid-
February.
I plan to cannabalize them and install them in the Rocket seats. Should eliminate
my concerns about not having a rear seat heat duct.
That Canadian Tire store must sell everything!
Thx,
Vince
From: "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca>
Subject: Rocket-List: Electric Seat Makers
Want heated seats right now for $30 USD? Check out
http://www.smarthome.com/9290.html
if you have a spare cig lighter socket to plug it in. They are seat covers that
you can put right on top of your seats. I think some one could take a pair of
these and some foam and have the wife sew some fabric to the sides and bottom
making them into custom heated seats. What do others think?
Canadian veiwers can get a product very simular at Canadian tire for $80. Go figure.
These guys are making a simular product for $50
http://www.skingcompany.com/index.asp#Heating+Products
goto heating products
________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone know what happened to RocketBoys web site, sayes that it is
closed?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Vertical or horizontal induction |
Shane-
On my harmon rocket with an IO-540 direct ram air induction nets about
1.2 in of manifold pressure. On a 250 hp engine this is around 10 hp! It
is not the aerodynamics of the cowl I am speaking of but the ramming
effect of having the throttle body facing directly into the on coming
airstream that makes the difference. When I switch from filtered
air(which draws through a foam motorcycle filter inside the cowl) to ram
air I can see the increase on my digital mp gauge. A friend with
another rocket switched to the direct ram air induction on his plane
after flying with the typical vans/Rocket filter duct induction and saw
the same mp increase and corresponding speed improvement. You can buy a
90 degree induction elbow from John Harmon for less than a hundred
dollars if I remember correctly. Call me if you want to come by and see
all this in the flesh on my rocket.
Ron Carter
298-0406
Skypark airport,
Woods cross, UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane
Summerhays
rv6-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Vertical or horizontal induction
-->
Dear friends,
My Father and building partner are clipping along on our fuselage and
have ordered our finish kit recently. We have not yet bought a motor
but we are considering the superior xp360 injected version. It is a
parallel valve with a vertical induction. My question is how much
drag does the chin scoop create with the vertical induction? Does the
slight boost from the ram air on a chin scoop version outweigh the lack
of drag from a non chin scoop cowl that is used with horizontal
induction? Does anyone have any hard numbers to compare the 2 cowl
versions?. I think the xp360 can be converted to a horizontal draft
induction but is it worth the bother? Any comments would be
appreciated. The bottom line is given the same motor which cowl is
faster, chin scoop or non chin scoop?
Shane Summerhays
Salt Lake City Utah
Flying rv6
Fuse rv8
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| From: | "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) Rocket boy |
The site has been redesigned and is working http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/
Does anyone know what happened to RocketBoys web site, sayes that it is
closed?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wolfgang Meyn" <mw104(at)netmdc.com> |
Try this one:
http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/
Cheers
Wolfgang (77)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CalBru(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: (no subject)
Does anyone know what happened to RocketBoys web site, sayes that it is
closed?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James & Shalise Cash" <jcash(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | F-1 accident preliminary report |
Thought I'd forward this to all my airplane buddies. If you hadn't heard,
there was an F-1 Rocket crash in Houston, several weeks ago. An eyewitness
saw the aircraft impact the ground near vertical, at a high rate of speed.
The vertical stabilizer tumbled down moments later. This is Mark
Frederick's preliminary finding after talking to the FAA, NTSB, and viewing
the wreckage. It is significant to the RV community because the F-1 tail is nearly
identical to the RV-8, with the exception of a 1/8" doubler on the forward
spar of the vertical stabilizer.
Jimmy
PRELIMINARY REPORT
CREEKMORE F1 ACCIDENT
Hi All:
I'm sure you have been waiting for some definitive data regarding Tom
Creekmore's accident. I was able to inspect the wreckage of the aft section
of the ship last Friday, along with the FAA. The following is my report to
you, not an official NTSB report.
Preliminary Results are as follows:
The builders did not fabricate nor install the upper attachment fitting for
the V Fin aft spar. This is a length of 1x1x.125 6061T6 angle that is
designed to absorb the Fin torque loads resulting from rudder deflections.
Four AN3 fasteners attach this fitting to the aft section of the fuselage,
and to the V Fin aft spar.
Lack of this fitting caused the HS-015 to absorb most of the Fin torque
loads, in addition to flexing the HS-015 past its fatigue life. It appears
that the HS-015 failed at one of the V Fin spar attach bolts, and separated
from the H Stab spar.
In addition, the V Fin fwd spar/HS-015 attach holes were not drilled per the
assy manual, with one hole appearing to have about 3/16" ED on the HS-015
(3/8" would be a standard distance). The separation at the HS-015 appears to
have started at this hole.
I will wait for the NTSB to publish their findings, and I'll add this to a
dedicated web page detailing what happened.
Regards,
Mark
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Seat heat and Air Conditioning |
Too hot in your airplane? For a short time last year I had a 2002 Lincoln Navigator
and I noticed that the front seats had electric heat and air conditioning.
I could feel small plastic piping just under the leather that must have been
the air conditioning.
What is the world coming too? I doubt the wreckers will be seeing these vehicles
in any great numbers for awhile but I thought I would pass it on anyway. A friend
got his new 2003 Eddie Bauer Ford Expedition recently and it had the same
seats.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
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| From: | P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
| Subject: | Re: F-1 accident preliminary report |
I am somewhat familar with the tail section of the RV-4(having built
mine). I am a little confused on what was missing and what broke on the
recent rocket that went down ??
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | F-1 accident preliminary report |
| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
It is the angle that ties the VS spar to the fuselage longerons, and is attached
to the longerons at the aft end of the rear deck.
Bob F1 #80
-----Original Message-----
From: P M Condon [mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org]
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: F-1 accident preliminary report
I am somewhat familar with the tail section of the RV-4(having built
mine). I am a little confused on what was missing and what broke on the
recent rocket that went down ??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Where to find RV's for sale |
Here is a RV3 that has ben dammaged but the owner seems to have most of the parts
to rebuild it and soem of the work done. $8500
http://www.usaviation.com/aircraft/display3.asp?funcdisplay&resid855&tree133
Here is a great place to find RV's for sale:
http://www.aircraft.com/default.asp?guidkc0cl6z0
9 right now but no RV3's, sorry. Click on experimental, then VANS. Nice to see
a couple of RV8's above $100,000 with the highest at $125,000. See it at
http://www.aircraft.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?guidxpbwlhm8&pcid1225037&etid1&OHID1052372&nh0
Here is another place where they currently have 43 RV's for sale.
http://www.globalplanesearch.com/
Scroll the side bar on the left all the way down to Vans.
Here the RV8's go right up to $135,000.
VFR 150 hp RV6's seem to be worth about $55,000 with the IFR 200hp RV6A's going
up to $80,000.
Another place which only has two RV's right now:
http://www.flyboytrader.com/index.cfm
Click on Experimental.
Here's another:
http://www.greatvehicles.com/airplanes/used.html
Nine pages to go through with everything mixed up.
Click on the cars at the bottom and hunt for anything.
Kind of fun looking at all the other stuff out there. Jets, helicopters, some thing
for every one. Heaps of stuff in flyable condition for under $15,000. In
all these sites I didn't see one Rocket for sale. They must go quick.
All prices mentioned are USD.
Norman Hunger'
RV6A Delta BC
This concludes your informational post of the evening.
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| From: | "Larry E. James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
Does anyone know if flutter was a factor in the tail departing the F-1 ????
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA Harmon Rocket II fuselage
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Jacking around with a Rocket II |
Rocketeers:
A few questions for the wise:
How do you jack a rocket with solid axle stubs? Can you put an engine hoist
on something - mount, engine case, ??? and raise the plane that way? I need
to install my brakes and final install my wheels, brake lines, etc.
For a forward facing Bendix-type injector, do you replace the studs with
short bolts as the elbow is much smaller than stock and doesn't allow the
cast-to-elbow studs room to come through (front 2).
Aloha,
Russ
HR!!
still working on it!
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| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/04/03 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
From my website:
Jacking the airplane up:
Mark gave me the solution a couple of years ago and it works. Simply place a radiator
clamp (or muffler clamp) around the gear leg as low as you can get it,
and turn it so the bolt portion is on the bottom. This gives a very good protrusion
(and at the right angle) to slip a small floor jack under, and it lifts
just as Tom's modification does. To make sure it didn't slip, I placed two clamps
one above the other, and it has worked well for two years. At the rate I was
going thru tires and brakes (another story) before the shims, this system was
exercised quite often. Jim Cash
Vince Frazier
1946 Stinson, NC97535, flying FOR SALE TO FINISH ROCKET
F-1H Rocket, "Six Shooter", N540VF reserved,
canopy installation stage
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/04/03 |
Vince/John,
Thanks for the info. I knew there had to be an easy way!
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/04/03
>
> >From my website:
>
> Jacking the airplane up:
>
> Mark gave me the solution a couple of years ago and it works. Simply place
a radiator clamp (or muffler clamp) around the gear leg as low as you can
get it, and turn it so the bolt portion is on the bottom. This gives a very
good protrusion (and at the right angle) to slip a small floor jack under,
and it lifts just as Tom's modification does. To make sure it didn't slip, I
placed two clamps one above the other, and it has worked well for two years.
At the rate I was going thru tires and brakes (another story) before the
shims, this system was exercised quite often. Jim Cash
>
>
> Vince Frazier
> 1946 Stinson, NC97535, flying FOR SALE TO FINISH ROCKET
> F-1H Rocket, "Six Shooter", N540VF reserved,
> canopy installation stage
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Check out my listing guys.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2402723544
Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> |
Hey Tom... Pretty Bird! What's your reserve?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin <fairlea(at)execulink.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: ebay listing
>
> Check out my listing guys.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2402723544
>
>
> Tom Martin
>
>
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| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Jacking around with a Rocket II |
Russ-
I tie a big weight(milling vise with motorcycle tie down strap) to my
tail spring then jack the wing up using the tie down points with tie
down eyes installed. Good luck.
Ron Carter # 149
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ Werner
Subject: Rocket-List: Jacking around with a Rocket II
Rocketeers:
A few questions for the wise:
How do you jack a rocket with solid axle stubs? Can you put an engine
hoist on something - mount, engine case, ??? and raise the plane that
way? I need to install my brakes and final install my wheels, brake
lines, etc.
For a forward facing Bendix-type injector, do you replace the studs with
short bolts as the elbow is much smaller than stock and doesn't allow
the cast-to-elbow studs room to come through (front 2).
Aloha,
Russ
HR!!
still working on it!
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
My reserve is #125,000 but I am open to offers.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut
Subject: Fw: Rocket-List: ebay listing
Hey Tom... Pretty Bird! What's your reserve?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin <fairlea(at)execulink.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: ebay listing
>
> Check out my listing guys.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2402723544
>
>
> Tom Martin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> |
What's that in $'s ?
----- Original Message ----- >
>
> My reserve is #125,000 but I am open to offers.
>
> Tom Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> Hey Tom... Pretty Bird! What's your reserve?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Martin <fairlea(at)execulink.com>
> To: rockettlist
> Subject: Rocket-List: ebay listing
>
>
> >
> > Check out my listing guys.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2402723544
> >
> >
> > Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
Are there any flying F1's on the market?
Thanks,
Doug Preston
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kendall Garrison" <KGarrison(at)hot.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
I don't know of any but I think there is an HR II for sale in Canada. The
builder is Tom Martin
Kendall Garrison
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dougpsr(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: (no subject)
>
> Are there any flying F1's on the market?
> Thanks,
> Doug Preston
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Mine HR-2 is for sale.
Check www.barnstormers.com for details.
Search for Harmon Rocket.
It is in Apple Valley CA. (APV)
Come take a look.
Tom Gummo
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dougpsr(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: (no subject)
>
> Are there any flying F1's on the market?
> Thanks,
> Doug Preston
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Tom Martin's Harmon Rocket II is for sale, go to this link for photo's and
price. http://www.tommartin.fanspace.com/index.html or email Tom Martin at
fairlea(at)execulink.com
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dougpsr(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: (no subject)
Are there any flying F1's on the market?
Thanks,
Doug Preston
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| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
"Rocket List"
Guys,
John Harmon of Harmon Rocket Fame and his wife stopped by Apple Valley
Airport (APV) today for a couple of hours. I wish I had a better memory but
he stated that there was a hangar fire and three Harmon Rockets under
construction were destoryed. I believe there were several RV involved too.
Sorry, I don't remember where and don't know any of the names, but my best
wishes go out to all the owner-builders in the hangar.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley CA
Harmon Rocket N561FS - 104 Hours
Flies GREAT.
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| From: | "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver(at)earthlink.net> |
"Susan Fields"
Subject: FW: gas prices
Join the resistance!!!!
We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by
the summer. Do you want
gasoline prices to come down? We need to take
some intelligent, united
action.
Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy
gas on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or
May!
The oil companies just laughed at that because
they knew we wouldn't
continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy
gas. It was more often an
inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
them. BUT, whoever
thought of this idea, has come up with a plan
that can really work.
Please read it and join with us!
By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced
at about $1.50 is
super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular
unleaded.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
have conditioned us to
think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP
at $1.50-$1.75, we need
to take aggressive action to teach them that
BUYERS control the
marketplace....not the sellers.
With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need
to take action. The only way we are going to see
the price of gas come
down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by
not purchasing their gas!
And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't
just stop buying gas. But
we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all
act together to force a
price war.
****************************************************************
Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY
gasoline from the two
biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
MOBIL. If they are
not selling any gas, they will be inclined to
reduce their prices. If
they reduce their prices, the other companies
will have to follow suit.
*******************************************************************
But to have an impact, we need to reach
literally million! s of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!!
Now, at this point...
keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is
to reach millions
of people!!
I am sending this note to about thirty people.
If each of you send it to
at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those
300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the
time the message reaches the
sixth generation of people, we will have reached
over THREE MILLION
consumers!
If those three million get excited and pass this
on to ten friends each,
then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level
further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED
MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all
you have to do is send this to 10 people and
DON"T purchase ANY gasoline
from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.
If you don't understand how we can reach 300
million and all you have
to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's
face it, you just aren't a
mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this
one.
How long would all that take? If each of us
sends this email out to ten
more people within one day of receipt, all 300
MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next 8
days!!! I'll bet you didn't
think you and I had that much potential, did
you! Acting together we
can make a difference. If this makes sense to
you, please pass this
message on.
PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO
THE $1.30 RANGE AND
KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jamesbaldwin(at)attglobal.net |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: |
Frank -
This is probably one of the most ludicrous emails and ideas I have seen in a long
time. Perhaps you should try to educate yourself before exhibiting to us your
ignorance of the simple theorems found in the first week of Econ 101. Secondly,
did
it occur to you the "other suppliers," once they discovered the proposed boycott
of
their competitors, would not raise their prices since their capacity is limited
also? Do you know anything about the nature of an elastic supply and demand curve?
Besides all of the above, the American public is very plainly exhibiting their
preference for large fuel inefficient autos (SUVs, trucks, motorhomes, etc) and
will
not change their consumer habits until forced to do so with pricing power. Please
don't waste this space with nonsense again. James Baldwin - employed by a consumer,
not a producer of energy
Frank Haertlein wrote:
>
> Subject: FW: gas prices
> Join the resistance!!!!
>
> We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by
> the summer. Do you want
> gasoline prices to come down? We need to take
> some intelligent, united
> action.
>
> Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
>
> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy
> gas on a certain day"
> campaign that was going around last April or
> May!
>
> The oil companies just laughed at that because
> they knew we wouldn't
> continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy
> gas. It was more often an
> inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
> them. BUT, whoever
> thought of this idea, has come up with a plan
> that can really work.
> Please read it and join with us!
>
> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced
> at about $1.50 is
> super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular
> unleaded.
>
> Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
> have conditioned us to
> think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP
> at $1.50-$1.75, we need
> to take aggressive action to teach them that
> BUYERS control the
> marketplace....not the sellers.
>
> With the price of gasoline going up more each
> day, we consumers need
> to take action. The only way we are going to see
> the price of gas come
> down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by
> not purchasing their gas!
> And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
>
> How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't
> just stop buying gas. But
> we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all
> act together to force a
> price war.
>
> ****************************************************************
> Here's the idea:
>
> For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY
> gasoline from the two
> biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
> MOBIL. If they are
> not selling any gas, they will be inclined to
> reduce their prices. If
> they reduce their prices, the other companies
> will have to follow suit.
>
> *******************************************************************
> But to have an impact, we need to reach
> literally million! s of Exxon
> and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!!
> Now, at this point...
> keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is
> to reach millions
> of people!!
>
> I am sending this note to about thirty people.
> If each of you send it to
> at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those
> 300 send it to at least ten
> more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the
> time the message reaches the
> sixth generation of people, we will have reached
> over THREE MILLION
> consumers!
> If those three million get excited and pass this
> on to ten friends each,
> then 30 million people will have been contacted!
> If it goes one level
> further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED
> MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all
> you have to do is send this to 10 people and
> DON"T purchase ANY gasoline
> from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.
>
> If you don't understand how we can reach 300
> million and all you have
> to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's
> face it, you just aren't a
> mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this
> one.
> How long would all that take? If each of us
> sends this email out to ten
> more people within one day of receipt, all 300
> MILLION people could
> conceivably be contacted within the next 8
> days!!! I'll bet you didn't
> think you and I had that much potential, did
> you! Acting together we
> can make a difference. If this makes sense to
> you, please pass this
> message on.
>
> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO
> THE $1.30 RANGE AND
> KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)osbtown.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: |
Sorry to use up bandwidth -But----- You're all missing the point! Try
sending Congress a message, did you not
hear the national gas tax is slated to go up? We are paying over, yes
over, $2.30/gallon in Truckee. Why---because the rich folks who do drive
the BIG SUV's pay the price as tourists, and get gouged by the gas
companies, no matter how small here. Even independents. We can go to Reno,NV
and pay
$1.89/gal Why? Because of Calif. state gas tax. If you really want prices
to come down, elect better officials! There are many engines that are fuel
efficient---but the car makers cannot build them---gas companies don't want
better fuel efficient cars! Seems you are all barking up the wrong tree.
Trying to hurt the gas companies who have all the added gas taxes included
in the price are not the only culprit in this mess. You're pretty harsh, Mr.
Baldwin! Hope you don't fly like you write. We pay $2.50/gal for AVGAS.
Self Employed and I drive a lot!
Toodie in Truckee-----Pilot and wife, of Bob "Rocket" Marshall do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <jamesbaldwin(at)attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List:
>
> Frank -
> This is probably one of the most ludicrous emails and ideas I have seen
in a long
> time. Perhaps you should try to educate yourself before exhibiting to us
your
> ignorance of the simple theorems found in the first week of Econ 101.
Secondly, did
> it occur to you the "other suppliers," once they discovered the proposed
boycott of
> their competitors, would not raise their prices since their capacity is
limited
> also? Do you know anything about the nature of an elastic supply and
demand curve?
> Besides all of the above, the American public is very plainly exhibiting
their
> preference for large fuel inefficient autos (SUVs, trucks, motorhomes,
etc) and will
> not change their consumer habits until forced to do so with pricing power.
Please
> don't waste this space with nonsense again. James Baldwin - employed by a
consumer,
> not a producer of energy
>
> Frank Haertlein wrote:
>
> >
> > Subject: FW: gas prices
> > Join the resistance!!!!
> >
> > We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by
> > the summer. Do you want
> > gasoline prices to come down? We need to take
> > some intelligent, united
> > action.
> >
> > Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
> >
> > This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy
> > gas on a certain day"
> > campaign that was going around last April or
> > May!
> >
> > The oil companies just laughed at that because
> > they knew we wouldn't
> > continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy
> > gas. It was more often an
> > inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
> > them. BUT, whoever
> > thought of this idea, has come up with a plan
> > that can really work.
> > Please read it and join with us!
> >
> > By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced
> > at about $1.50 is
> > super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular
> > unleaded.
> >
> > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
> > have conditioned us to
> > think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP
> > at $1.50-$1.75, we need
> > to take aggressive action to teach them that
> > BUYERS control the
> > marketplace....not the sellers.
> >
> > With the price of gasoline going up more each
> > day, we consumers need
> > to take action. The only way we are going to see
> > the price of gas come
> > down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by
> > not purchasing their gas!
> > And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
> >
> > How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't
> > just stop buying gas. But
> > we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all
> > act together to force a
> > price war.
> >
> > ****************************************************************
> > Here's the idea:
> >
> > For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY
> > gasoline from the two
> > biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
> > MOBIL. If they are
> > not selling any gas, they will be inclined to
> > reduce their prices. If
> > they reduce their prices, the other companies
> > will have to follow suit.
> >
> > *******************************************************************
> > But to have an impact, we need to reach
> > literally million! s of Exxon
> > and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!!
> > Now, at this point...
> > keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is
> > to reach millions
> > of people!!
> >
> > I am sending this note to about thirty people.
> > If each of you send it to
> > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those
> > 300 send it to at least ten
> > more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the
> > time the message reaches the
> > sixth generation of people, we will have reached
> > over THREE MILLION
> > consumers!
> > If those three million get excited and pass this
> > on to ten friends each,
> > then 30 million people will have been contacted!
> > If it goes one level
> > further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED
> > MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all
> > you have to do is send this to 10 people and
> > DON"T purchase ANY gasoline
> > from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.
> >
> > If you don't understand how we can reach 300
> > million and all you have
> > to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's
> > face it, you just aren't a
> > mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this
> > one.
> > How long would all that take? If each of us
> > sends this email out to ten
> > more people within one day of receipt, all 300
> > MILLION people could
> > conceivably be contacted within the next 8
> > days!!! I'll bet you didn't
> > think you and I had that much potential, did
> > you! Acting together we
> > can make a difference. If this makes sense to
> > you, please pass this
> > message on.
> >
> > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO
> > THE $1.30 RANGE AND
> > KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FW: panel engraving and cutting |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
This works great. I mocked up a panel for the Rocket in about 15 minutes. All
cutouts and engraving done for $130. Looks like a good deal to me, though I
haven't ordered anything yet. Very cool!
Vince
**********************************
I found this site in an electronics magazine. The make engraved panels for your
plane etc.
Download a free cad design client. Then lay it out, unpload them the design and
voila... your panel shows up at your house. The client will even give you a price
estimate. Wish I found this sooner. Looks REAL good! Make the cockpit real
spiffy.
http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/prices/index.htm
Warmest regards,
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
Listers
Ive read alot of posts of put exhaust vent on the rear fuselage portion of
aircraft ( not rockets) to increase input of fresh & hot air
ventilation. Has anyone done this on their ROCKET (NOT RV) and what were
the results?
Harry Paine
266 HP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Graham <beeb(at)teleport.com> |
From: Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: exhaust vents
Listers
Ive read alot of posts of put exhaust vent on the rear fuselage portion of
aircraft ( not rockets) to increase input of fresh & hot air
ventilation. Has anyone done this on their ROCKET (NOT RV) and what were
the results?
Harry Paine
266 HP
------------------------------
Yeh, Larry Vetterman
Also don't forget booting and sealing
GG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: exhaust vents |
>
>
>From: Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
>Subject: Rocket-List: exhaust vents
>
>
>Listers
>Ive read alot of posts of put exhaust vent on the rear fuselage portion of
>aircraft ( not rockets) to increase input of fresh & hot air
>ventilation. Has anyone done this on their ROCKET (NOT RV) and what were
>the results?
>
>
>Harry Paine
>266 HP
>------------------------------
>Yeh, Larry Vetterman
>
>Also don't forget booting and sealing
>
>GG
gary :
Thanks for info does Larry have email address?
Harry Paine
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
Harry-
I've done this and it works great. It smooths the air flow through the
cabin and lets the incoming vents breath much better. I created a
rearward facing raised vent for my elevator inspection cover plate. I
bent it up from flat stock and cut it out to replace the original
inspection plate. The dimensions of the aft facing opening is about 2.25
x 1.00" FYI All of this was debated about two years ago on this board.
Ron Carter HR #149, 320 hrs tt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Paine
Subject: Rocket-List: exhaust vents
Listers
Ive read alot of posts of put exhaust vent on the rear fuselage portion
of
aircraft ( not rockets) to increase input of fresh & hot air
ventilation. Has anyone done this on their ROCKET (NOT RV) and what were
the results?
Harry Paine
266 HP
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Graham <beeb(at)teleport.com> |
Larry sells the exhausts For RV's. Check the RV yellow pages and Van's and
other RV sites.
Larry said he implemented the system in his RV-4 as I suggested. ON his
Rocket he has two reverse scoops mid fuselage, bottom. Don't know if he
sealed off the tail bulkhead.
Do a search in the RV (main) and Rocket lists for the following: "Tail
Pumps:Pacer(sp)Was Right!" Read this!!!! and mail me if you have questions
or need some photos.
Venting the rear inspection covers has produced mixed results as reported on
the list. They are a foot plus aft of the seal off bulkhead. There is some
crazy air around the tail group. I took a cup of oil out of a Rocket's
rudder bottom that had flown about 40 hours.
It is nice to see reports, from the RV/Rocket guys, of their experiments
pass and fail.
GG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
I've got that article posted on my site. Scroll about 1/3 of the way down the
page.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Everything%20else.htm
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: exhaust vents |
Could you take a pic of your mod and make it avaialble to those interested?
Jim
Do not arhive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: exhaust vents
>
> Harry-
> I've done this and it works great. It smooths the air flow through the
> cabin and lets the incoming vents breath much better. I created a
> rearward facing raised vent for my elevator inspection cover plate. I
> bent it up from flat stock and cut it out to replace the original
> inspection plate. The dimensions of the aft facing opening is about 2.25
> x 1.00" FYI All of this was debated about two years ago on this board.
>
> Ron Carter HR #149, 320 hrs tt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Paine
> To: Boyd C. Braem
> Subject: Rocket-List: exhaust vents
>
>
>
> Listers
> Ive read alot of posts of put exhaust vent on the rear fuselage portion
> of
> aircraft ( not rockets) to increase input of fresh & hot air
> ventilation. Has anyone done this on their ROCKET (NOT RV) and what were
>
> the results?
>
>
> Harry Paine
> 266 HP
>
>
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
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Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
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many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
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| From: | finkelstein <finkmd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/22/03 |
-------Original Message-------
From: Rocket-List Digest Server <rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/22/03
> Matt,
I subscribe to the Rocket, Avionics, and Engines lists. I've recently changed
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
What are you guys using to torque the bolts on the prop? Is there a
special, expensive tool that I have to have?!
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/24/03 |
Russ,
Get the MAC tools 3/4" crows foot wrench, The Snap on variety has much thinner
jaws
and will fatigue/fail in service. The Hartzell manual gives the math to fiqure
the
crowsfoot offset into the torque setting - let me know if you need me to look it
up?
Rob
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> 1. 11:10 PM - Prop torquing (Russ Werner)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
> From: "Russ Werner" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
> Subject: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
>
>
> What are you guys using to torque the bolts on the prop? Is there a
> special, expensive tool that I have to have?!
>
> Russ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
Russ-
I used a crowfoot endwrench on a regular Sears torque wrench. The crows
foot wrench is the type that clicks onto a socket wrench- some might
refer to them as offset end wrenches. I bought mine at Checker or
Autozone in a six piece set for cheap. I am using a basic needle type
sears torque wrench. These have small head on them that clears
surrounding prop parts whereas my larger dial type torque wrench will
not get into the hub close enough. Remember the extended effective
length of the crows foot wrench on the torque wrench adds torque to the
reading from the wrench. I figured it out once- I think it adds less
than a pound of torque to the actual value being read.
Ron Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ Werner
Subject: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
What are you guys using to torque the bolts on the prop? Is there a
special, expensive tool that I have to have?!
Russ
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
time is geting close if any Rocket drivers are going to race you need to get
going.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
I think that if the Crow's Foot is on the torque wrench at a 90 degree
angle to the shaft of the wrench so that the center of the bolt would be
the same distance from the handle as the center of the square drive were
the socket would normally attach then the torque would be accurate. So the
question is can you get the necessary clearance with the torque wrench at a
90 to the Crow's Foot.
scot
>
>Russ-
>
>I used a crowfoot endwrench on a regular Sears torque wrench. The crows
>foot wrench is the type that clicks onto a socket wrench- some might
>refer to them as offset end wrenches. I bought mine at Checker or
>Autozone in a six piece set for cheap. I am using a basic needle type
>sears torque wrench. These have small head on them that clears
>surrounding prop parts whereas my larger dial type torque wrench will
>not get into the hub close enough. Remember the extended effective
>length of the crows foot wrench on the torque wrench adds torque to the
>reading from the wrench. I figured it out once- I think it adds less
>than a pound of torque to the actual value being read.
>
>
>Ron Carter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ Werner
>To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
>
>
>What are you guys using to torque the bolts on the prop? Is there a
>special, expensive tool that I have to have?!
>
>Russ
>
>
>direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
But John,
I have the slowest rocket.
Who can I beat? :-)
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA (APV)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Reno PRS
>
> time is geting close if any Rocket drivers are going to race you need to
get
> going.
> John
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
Tom. Would you like a complete list of those you (we) have already beaten or
just a list of the top ten. (includes spam and RV types) KABONG Do Not
Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Reno PRS
> From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Rocket-List: Reno PRS
>
>
> >
> > time is geting close if any Rocket drivers are going to race you need to
> get
> > going.
> > John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
I figure even the slowest should enter, as you get a pass to the presidents
club (free food and drink at show center all weekend) and entry to the show
plus a pass (passes) for your crew. Cheaper and more fun than buying your
way in. If you get to be an alternate, you can really get your drinking
money's worth, as you won't be flying!! If you get to fly, even last place
pays. Not a bad deal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Reno PRS
>
> But John,
> I have the slowest rocket.
> Who can I beat? :-)
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA (APV)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Rocket-List: Reno PRS
>
>
> >
> > time is geting close if any Rocket drivers are going to race you need to
> get
> > going.
> > John
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYSTEVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/24/03 |
If you have the wrench at 90 deg. to the torque wrench you don, t have to do
the math.
Stephen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
I don't think so. Try it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scot
Stambaugh
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
-->
I think that if the Crow's Foot is on the torque wrench at a 90 degree
angle to the shaft of the wrench so that the center of the bolt would be
the same distance from the handle as the center of the square drive were
the socket would normally attach then the torque would be accurate. So
the
question is can you get the necessary clearance with the torque wrench
at a
90 to the Crow's Foot.
scot
>
>Russ-
>
>I used a crowfoot endwrench on a regular Sears torque wrench. The crows
>foot wrench is the type that clicks onto a socket wrench- some might
>refer to them as offset end wrenches. I bought mine at Checker or
>Autozone in a six piece set for cheap. I am using a basic needle type
>sears torque wrench. These have small head on them that clears
>surrounding prop parts whereas my larger dial type torque wrench will
>not get into the hub close enough. Remember the extended effective
>length of the crows foot wrench on the torque wrench adds torque to the
>reading from the wrench. I figured it out once- I think it adds less
>than a pound of torque to the actual value being read.
>
>
>Ron Carter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ
>Werner
>To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
>
>
>What are you guys using to torque the bolts on the prop? Is there a
>special, expensive tool that I have to have?!
>
>Russ
>
>
>direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| From: | Bob Japundza <bjapundza(at)yahoo.com> |
It is well-known that by turning the crows foot 90 degrees to the wrench that you
don't have to take into account the length of the arm of the crow's foot.
I questioned it at first too.
I cut the end off an old wrench and welded a socket to it so I could use it with
a click-type torque wrench. On you prop there should be a sticker from Hartzell
that indicates the prop bolt torque. I believe it is 60/ft lbs, but I can't
remember for certain.
Before you tighten the bolts to their final torque, be sure to run your safety
wire through the roll pins. Makes safetying the prop bolts much easier while
you can get to either side of the roll pins.
Bob Japundza, RV-6 flying, currently building an F1
C"
I don't think so. Try it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scot
Stambaugh
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
-->
I think that if the Crow's Foot is on the torque wrench at a 90 degree
angle to the shaft of the wrench so that the center of the bolt would be
the same distance from the handle as the center of the square drive were
the socket would normally attach then the torque would be accurate. So
the
question is can you get the necessary clearance with the torque wrench
at a
90 to the Crow's Foot.
scot
>
>Russ-
>
>I used a crowfoot endwrench on a regular Sears torque wrench. The crows
>foot wrench is the type that clicks onto a socket wrench- some might
>refer to them as offset end wrenches. I bought mine at Checker or
>Autozone in a six piece set for cheap. I am using a basic needle type
>sears torque wrench. These have small head on them that clears
>surrounding prop parts whereas my larger dial type torque wrench will
>not get into the hub close enough. Remember the extended effective
>length of the crows foot wrench on the torque wrench adds torque to the
>reading from the wrench. I figured it out once- I think it adds less
>than a pound of torque to the actual value being read.
>
>
>Ron Carter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ
>Werner
>To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Rocket-List: Prop torquing
>
>
>What are you guys using to torque the bolts on the prop? Is there a
>special, expensive tool that I have to have?!
>
>Russ
>
>
>direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop torquing |
Okay guys, thanks for all the suggestions. It seems that the torque wrench
is the proper way to do it but many are just using the "all they got" method
on the armstrong method too.
Don't forget the safety wire!
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV and Rocket Fly-In April 26 and 27 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)"
MIDWEST RV and ROCKET FLY-IN
April 26th and 27th
Rebel's Bluff Airport (not on the sectional yet) N37 06.1 W93 52.2
2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon (MISSOURI)
Municipal Airport (2MO) About 30 miles west of Springfield, Missouri,
150 miles south of Kansas City, and 150 miles ENE of Tulsa, OK.
2,200' x 75' Very Nice Sod
CTAF 122.9
Av Gas 100LL available for approx $2. (dealer cost)
Special Events Include: Aerobatic demomstration flights, skydivers, and some fun
events with your airplane. Everyone's invited for Bar-B-Que Lunch (please
bring a covered dish of potato salad, or cold slaw, or buns, chips, cookies.
If you are staying overnight, dinner is a cook-it-yursef event. You can bring
your own meat or we will buy it here. Baked potato, and the works.
There is camping on the airstrip, or a motel ($50/couple).
If enough wives/girlfriends show an interest we will have a special trip
arranged to the "Precious Moments Chapel" and museum in Carthage, MO. RSVP Ladies!
Sunday morning will have a great breakfast to guaranteed to get you at least halfway
home.
Very small donations to defray the cost of food/drinks ONLY will be requested.
As you can understand, I really, REALLY
need your RSVP to plan this event. Please request a motel reservation before
April 19th, and please let me know you are coming (if at all possible) before
April 24th. Thanks!
Please contact Les Featherston, e-mail at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or 417-466-4663,
or 11853 Lawrence 1105, Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI.
A special e-mail will be sent in response to your RSVP, including motel info, flight
and airport approach info, and answers to any questions you may have.
Send this invitation to anyone you wish to join us. The more the merrier.
And worse case senerio, the RAIN DATE is May 10th. (Bring Mom)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF |
Sorry we wouldn't be able to be there, working at the ovens and anvil, ya
know. Just got a new shipment of ore from downunder. Our capes have a JH on
them and they came from John his-self, (little wheel in back ?) HRII don't
come no odder way. :<)) Wish we could join ya but have a great time.
GUMMIBEAR & KABONG N561FS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF
> For all you "pre pre-punched" guys who are flying I'd really like to hand
> you a handful of dirt to see just how you mine the ore for spars and fit
> that red cape Van's give you when you order that little wheel on the back
> end.
>
> Seriously, anybody up for it??
>
>
> Dana Overall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
John-
Just went flying this morning- burned around the Great Salt Lake and up
over the snow capped Wasatch mountains. I love you man!
Ron Carter
Metropolis Design
ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com
900 North 400 West, Bldg 13, North Salt Lake, Utah, 84054 - (801)
298-0406
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
Rocketeers,
For those of you at SNF Wednesday, Thursday or Friday night, plan to visit
the campground for beers!
Look for me or Mark or Harmon for more information! I'll try to put a
notice on Mark's or John's or Tom Martin's plane describing where in the
campground we are located. If you have a Sony Waldabout radio, try me on
Channel 7-2.
See ya there,
Russ
HRII
Maui
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Beers ar SNF |
>
>Rocketeers,
>
>For those of you at SNF Wednesday, Thursday or Friday night, plan to visit
>the campground for beers!
>
>Look for me or Mark or Harmon for more information! I'll try to put a
>notice on Mark's or John's or Tom Martin's plane describing where in the
>campground we are located. If you have a Sony Waldabout radio, try me on
>Channel 7-2.
>
>See ya there,
>
>Russ
>HRII
>Maui
Russ
Must be nice to fly on those kerosene queens whenever you want! stop by
when you're in San Deigo, there are about
5 projects going on down here and two flying. Scot S. should be next to fly.
Harry Paine
266HP
760-639-4583
PS our beers will be Corona's with limes!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry E. James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland vrs Grove brakes/wheels |
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Has anyone had comparative experience with Cleveland and Grove ???? Since
we Rocket guys seem to have a choice of manufacturers for our brakes and
wheels; which ones are the coolest / nicest ???? Quality, reliability ??
What are the model or part numbers for the units we're using ???
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA HR2
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland vrs Grove brakes/wheels |
Larry,
The Team Rocket F-1 kit is supplied with Matco wheels and brakes. They are
manufactured in Salt Lake City. I'm a Rocket Lurker and a Bearhawk
Builder--I'm using Matco on the Bearhawk because they are less expensive,
local and the quality seems fine.
Cal B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Loren Harmon" <landsharmon(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland vrs Grove brakes/wheels |
Actually, the newest F-1's come with the Grove brakes. They look great...
I'll tell you how they work in a few months.
Loren Harmon
s/n 76
Larry,
The Team Rocket F-1 kit is supplied with Matco wheels and brakes. They are
manufactured in Salt Lake City. I'm a Rocket Lurker and a Bearhawk
Builder--I'm using Matco on the Bearhawk because they are less expensive,
local and the quality seems fine.
Cal B.
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| From: | "Jane Horton" <mjhorton(at)easilink.com> |
Geez Rob chill! True this is probably not the place for editorials but he did
give you a caveat (oh, a French word?).
Lets fly dudes.
---
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| From: | "Tom Hall" <tomhall(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | Re: read the text |
First Iraq, then France, and then Hollywood
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Horton" <mjhorton(at)easilink.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: read the text
>
>
> Geez Rob chill! True this is probably not the place for editorials but he
did give you a caveat (oh, a French word?).
> Lets fly dudes.
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rear seat rudder pedals with brakes |
http://www.iwantarocket.com/rear_pedals.htm
> Sorry, but I forgot to bookmark the web site which had the great looking
> pictures of rear seat rudder pedal with brakes.
> Could someone help me with the URL of that site?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lkyswede(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: rear seat rudder pedals with brakes |
Hi Russ
Voice from the past---Art Reeck
Which Rocket are you building???---My hangar mate now has an F-1----Available
for viewing, and I'm sure a ride if you pass this way.
Cheers
Art
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ACE <ace_av8r(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Wayne Handley Seminar |
I would like to let everyone know that April 26-27 EAA Chapter 90 in Oakdale Ca.
(O27) is hosting a stall spin seminar. The seminar is presented by the inverted
flat spin world record holder Wayne Handley. This event is open to the
public. The price for the seminar is $30.00 which includes lunch. There are a
few slots open for a flight with Wayne in his Extra 300L, anyone interested in
attending or scheduling a flight can visit www.eaa90.org or contact Keith Braun
at 209.605.4700
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ACE <ace_av8r(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Wayne Handley Seminar |
I would like to let everyone know that April 26-27 EAA Chapter 90 in Oakdale Ca.
(O27) is hosting a stall spin seminar. The seminar is presented by the inverted
flat spin world record holder Wayne Handley. This event is open to the
public. The price for the seminar is $30.00 which includes lunch. There are a
few slots open for a flight with Wayne in his Extra 300L, anyone interested in
attending or scheduling a flight can visit www.eaa90.org or contact Keith Braun
at 209.605.4700
Thanks
Keith Braun
N237RV RV7A Finish Kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Loren Harmon" <landsharmon(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | rear seat rudder pedals with brakes |
The pictures are posted in the clubhouse portion of Chip Gibson's website.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wernerworld
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: rear seat rudder pedals with brakes
http://www.iwantarocket.com/rear_pedals.htm
> Sorry, but I forgot to bookmark the web site which had the great looking
> pictures of rear seat rudder pedal with brakes.
> Could someone help me with the URL of that site?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rear seat rudder pedals with brakes |
Thanks Art. HRII #68, N561FS has been airborne just over a year and we are
thinking of adding the rear foot and power controls for the rear seat. We
just keep on flying and working. Someday we may even paint it. Gummibear
and KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lkyswede(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: rear seat rudder pedals with brakes
>
> Hi Russ
>
> Voice from the past---Art Reeck
>
> Which Rocket are you building???---My hangar mate now has an
F-1----Available
> for viewing, and I'm sure a ride if you pass this way.
>
> Cheers
>
> Art
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/03/03 |
Dear Mr. Mokry,
You said - - - "How can you "support" the troops while you keep them in
harms way, especially when there is/was no immenent threat to the US?"
You have some vaild points and I respect your opinion.
On the morning of September 11th, 2001, I was on my was to class at
college. I didn't feel that we as a country were in any immenent threat that
day, either. Who could've known???
I believe our military is doing some "preventative maintenance" to make sure
that another catastrophic event like Sept. 11th doesn't occur again. Whether
any of us like it or don't like it, our sovreignty as a country is at stake.
I also believe the CIA, NSA, and other agencies are much more capable of
determining whether a threat exists than I. That is their job to do. I don't
even speak Farsi, so I am the last person to determine whether Iraq is a
threat or not. I think 250 plus million Americans are probably in the same
position as me.
I am just very, very thankful for my freedom - and yours.
Happy building everybody,
Lincoln Schlecht
Rockets Rock!! (oh, I wish I had one...........someday I will!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV and Rocket Fly-In April 26 and 27 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Guys,
John C. and I plan to fly over to this event. I have talked to Les F. and it sounds
like it should be a great time. Les is gonna give Tom Martin's fly-in party
a run for the money! Woohoo! You'd better make your reservation soon!!!!
Real soon!
Please forward this email to all interested parties.
Vince
********************************************************************************************************************************************************
Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In (others welcome too!)
MIDWEST RV and ROCKET
FLY-IN
April 26th and 27th 2003 Rebel's Bluff
Airport (not on the sectional yet) N37 06.1 W93 52.2
2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon (MISSOURI) Municipal
Airport (2MO) About 30 miles west of Springfield, Missouri, 150 miles south
of Kansas City, and 150 miles ENE of Tulsa, OK.
2,200' x 75' Very Nice Sod
CTAF 122.9
Av Gas 100LL available for approx $2. (dealer cost)
Special Events Include: Aerobatic demomstration flights, skydivers, and some fun
events with your airplane.
Everyone's invited for Bar-B-Que Lunch (please bring a covered dish of potato salad,
or cold slaw, or buns, chips, cookies if you can.)
If you are staying overnight, dinner will include steak or chicken, salad and baked
potatoes.
There is camping on the airstrip, or a motel ($50/couple).
If enough wives/girlfriends show an interest we will have a special trip arranged
to the "Precious Moments Chapel" and museum in Carthage, MO. RSVP Ladies!
Sunday morning will have a great breakfast to guaranteed to get you at least halfway
home.
We will pass the hat to help cover the cost of food/drinks. Everything else at
the fly in is free!
Please RSVP to Les Featherston, e-mail at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or 417-466-4663,
or 11853 Lawrence 1105, Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI.
Hotel accomodations:
Arrival Date: Saturday April 26, 2003
Departure Date: Sunday April 27, 2003
Room Rate: $49.50 Per Room Per Night Plus Tax for (1) to (2) Persons
The rates are net, not subject to any discount cards, VIP Cards, or coupons.
Rooms reserved under the Featherston Fly In.
These rates include a continental breakfast with cinnamon raisin and regular bagels
with cream cheese, toast and jelly of your choice, freshly baked donuts,
orange, apple and grape juice from 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM, and coffee 24 hours a
day. Local phone calls are free. Our heated indoor pool is open from 7:00 AM until
10:00 PM daily. Data ports on every room phone.
Jim Prentice, GM
General Manager
Mt. Vernon Super 8
417-461-0230
jpr23(at)sofnet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV and Rocket Fly-In April 26 and 27 |
Thanks for the recommendation Vince, but I cannot compete with Tom Martin.
Just hope anyone with an RV-? or a Rocket can come and have a great time.
This event has been in my "Dream Machine" for several years, and as they say
in show business "Tonight's the Night"! Everyone is invited, even if you
fly a plastic airplane, or Heaven Forbid, a certified airplane. Lot's of
"them" have said they are coming to see the real flying machines. I envision
this as the Midwest version of Van's Homecoming. Make me proud boys! If
enough of you RSVP, I will call Van-Hissef, and ask him to send a
representative! And lastly, Tom, if you see this, I can't remember your
e-address! Let me know if you can come and give me a lesson or two in how to
do-it-right. I'am mowin' the grass like a bandit, ya'll come and we'll have
a ball. Could you PLEASE RSVP, so I can have enough food?????
Les Featherston 417-466-4663 e-mail is lwfeatherston(at)aol.com I will
send you an e-mail to provide all the pertinant data. Pray for good weather!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | RV and Rocket Fly-In April 26 and 27 |
Les
Weather permitting I am going to try to make your flyin. I will shake the
Sun & Fun sand out of my tent and start to polish the bird.
Tom Martin
Les Featherston 417-466-4663 e-mail is lwfeatherston(at)aol.com I
will
send you an e-mail to provide all the pertinant data. Pray for good
weather!
________________________________________________________________________________
UN/SUBSCRIBE
Terry E. Cole
________________________________________________________________________________
Terry E. Cole
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 2 fly ins at Bakersfield Municipal Airport (L45) |
> There will be 2 fly ins at Bakersfield Municipal Airport (L45) this year.
> Home of the Harmon Rocket and many fast RV's
>
> 1st Event....2nd annual Peace Wing & Ride May 2nd & 3rd
> This is a fund raiser for C.A.R.E. (Children's Advocates Resource
> Endowment)
> This is a combination Airplanes (GA & Experimental), Hot Rods &
> Motorcycles. There will be a live band, BBQ by the Outback Restaurant and
> many other event's. Fly In on Friday spend the night with Buck Owens @ the
> Crystal Palace, Shuttles & Lodging will be available. Fly In will start AM
> on Saturday Morning May 3rd. For More Info please see the web site
> www.PeaceRide.com or call Tim Barnes @ (611) 393-7519
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************************************
>
> 2nd Event......EAA Chapter 71 annual BBQ & Fly In May 31st.
> This will be just like old times, All Experimental Aircraft welcome,
> BBQ will be Tri-Tip, Beans, Salad, Rolls and Desert
> Plenty of Planes & Hangar Talk. BBQ served around 3:00 pm
> More Info Call John Harmon @ (661) 836-1028 Or Tim Barnes @ (661) 393-7519
>
> Put This on your Calender, Hope To See You There!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 2 fly ins at Bakersfield Municipal Airport (L45) |
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Hey Tim.... How about the 2nd event?
On Wednesday, April 16, 2003, at 07:59 AM, MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> There will be 2 fly ins at Bakersfield Municipal Airport (L45) this
>> year.
>> Home of the Harmon Rocket and many fast RV's
>>
>> 1st Event....2nd annual Peace Wing & Ride May 2nd & 3rd
>> This is a fund raiser for C.A.R.E. (Children's Advocates Resource
>> Endowment)
>> This is a combination Airplanes (GA & Experimental), Hot Rods &
>> Motorcycles. There will be a live band, BBQ by the Outback Restaurant
>> and
>> many other event's. Fly In on Friday spend the night with Buck Owens
>> @ the
>> Crystal Palace, Shuttles & Lodging will be available. Fly In will
>> start AM
>> on Saturday Morning May 3rd. For More Info please see the web site
>> www.PeaceRide.com or call Tim Barnes @ (611) 393-7519
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **********************************************************************
>> ************************
>>
>> 2nd Event......EAA Chapter 71 annual BBQ & Fly In May 31st.
>> This will be just like old times, All Experimental Aircraft welcome,
>> BBQ will be Tri-Tip, Beans, Salad, Rolls and Desert
>> Plenty of Planes & Hangar Talk. BBQ served around 3:00 pm
>> More Info Call John Harmon @ (661) 836-1028 Or Tim Barnes @ (661)
>> 393-7519
>>
>> Put This on your Calender, Hope To See You There!
>
>
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> _-
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> _-
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>
>
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| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In |
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:11:26 -0500
From: Morocketman(at)aol.com
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
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From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
morocketman(at)aol.com
Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In
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| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | I have sent items to the Rocket List, BUT! |
I have been sending my invitation to a Fly-In to the list for several days
now. It finally appeared but was scrambled. Does anyone know what I am
doing wrong? Please no smart aleck answers, I am frustrated. Les
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In |
Let's try again! Les
From: Morocketman(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:58:11 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:57:12 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:57:54 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:19:20 -0500
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
morocketman(at)aol.com
Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In DETAILS |
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:10:29 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In DETAILS
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:07:28 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In DETAILS
Thank you Greg!
Thank you Greg!
From: Morocketman(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:58:11 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:57:12 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:57:54 EDT
Subject: Fwd: RV and Rocket Fly-In
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:19:20 -0500
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
morocketman(at)aol.com
Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I have sent items to the Rocket List, BUT! |
Convert or format your email to plain text.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Morocketman(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: I have sent items to the Rocket List, BUT!
I have been sending my invitation to a Fly-In to the list for several days
now. It finally appeared but was scrambled. Does anyone know what I am
doing wrong? Please no smart aleck answers, I am frustrated. Les
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 2 fly ins at Bakersfield Municipal Airport (L45) |
In a message dated 4/16/2003 9:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Mytyweav(at)flash.net writes:
>
> Hey Tim.... How about the 2nd event?
>
The 2nd event is our Annual EAA Chapter 71 BBQ (Old Style). The date for the
BBQ is Saturday, May 31st. Lots of Planes & Good People, one awesome BBQ too!
Hope to see you there. **Home of the Harmon Rocket**
The PWR fly in is Saturday, May 3rd should be fun too, I'm sure that there
will be a few missed approaches in the morning.
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Big RV and Rocket Fly-In |
I hope to have the largest "unofficial" fly-in for Rockets and Rv-?'s outside
of Osh, SnFun and Van's Homecoming. Please forward this to all the websites,
EAA Chapters, and RV Clubs that you know.
Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In
April 26th and 27th
Rebel's
Bluff Airport (not on sectional yet) N37 06.1 W93 52.2
2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon (Missouri) International Airport 2MO
Springfield VOR 235/34 statute
RW 12/30
2,200' of Very Nice Sod. Trees off both ends, but abt 1/4 mile out.
CTAF 122.9 "Call Mt Vernon Traffic, ? miles out, landing at Rebel's
Bluff". Av Gas will be available for approximately $2.00/gal
(dealer cost) Everyone's invited (even plastic
airplane pilots or Heaven Forbid, certified airplanes). Bar-B-Que Lunch
will be served. Bring a covered dish if you can: Potato Salad, cold slaw, or
buns, chips, or cookies.
IF YOU CAN--STAY OVERNIGHT:
Dinner will be a
cook-it-yersef affair at the house. Steak or chicken, baked potatoes, and a
monster salad. Bring your own meat, or we will make a run for meat, etc.
There is camping on the airstrip (or in the hangar), and Super 8 has
given a special rate of $49.50/two guests at the local inn.
Sunday morning we will have a
great breakfast guaranteed to "get you halfway home" Very small donations to
defray the cost of food/drinks ONLY will be requested. AS YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND I REALLY NEED YOUR RSVP to plan the food, etc. An e-mail will
be sent in response to your RSVP, including motel info, and answers to any
questions you may have.
PLEASE send this invitation to anyone you wish to
join us. The more the merrier. Worse case scenario, the rain date is
May 10th. (Bring Mom)! Ya'll come for a
great time in the Ozarks, Les Featherston lwfeatherton(at)aol.com
417-466-4663 or cell 417-425-3595
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Whats wrong with this picture? |
The sun is shining.
The temperature is in the middle 70s.
The wind calm (it normally blows in the afternoon here).
I am at the airport - NO. ;-(
I am at home with a house full of family and friends for Easter dinner.
Hope some of you are having a nice Holiday with your RV-Rockets.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
FWIW,
Some of you may recall that I swapped my Harmon 404 forward parts for F-1 parts.
Whether that was worth the extra effort is still undecided. I thought I'd
pass on a little info about a snafu that I found yesterday.
I put the wings on the fuselage for the first time yesterday. I knew the tanks
would be close to the fuselage and they are... VERY CLOSE. I needed to trim
the top inboard edge of the tank flange to clear the fuselage. No problem, but
I wouldn't want to trim any more off!
Due to the mix of Harmon and F-1 parts, the straight fuel pick up fittings are
too close to the fuselage sides to install the fuel line. They need to be swapped
to 90 degree type fittings. I'll have to open the fuel tank access plate
to do that. DOH! So, if you're mixing parts like I did, install 90 degree
elbow fuel fittings and point them down and forward.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WiningsJ(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/21/03 10:52:24 AM Central Daylight Time,
VFrazier(at)usi.edu writes:
> They need to be swapped to 90 degree type fittings. I'll have to open the
> fuel tank access plate to do that. DOH! So, if you're mixing parts like
> I did, install 90 degree elbow fuel fittings and point them down and
> forward.
>
Vince: Don at Airflow Performance recommends not using any 90 degree
fittings upstream of the fuel pumps to reduce the possibility of cavitation
or vapor lock. Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Vince: Don at Airflow Performance recommends not using any 90 degree
fittings upstream of the fuel pumps to reduce the possibility of cavitation
or vapor lock. Jim
*******************************************************
But there's already a 90 degree fitting inside the tank!!
I might simply rotate the tank access plate so the fuel fitting will clear the
diagonal longeron in the fuselage. Then drill a hole in the fuselage side and
pass the line straight in.
Dang, I thought I was done with the Proseal.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Be there or be square!
Vince
Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In (others welcome too!)
MIDWEST RV and ROCKET
FLY-IN
April 26th and 27th 2003 Rebel's Bluff
Airport (not on the sectional yet) N37 06.1 W93 52.2
2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon (MISSOURI) Municipal
Airport (2MO) About 30 miles west of Springfield, Missouri, 150 miles south
of Kansas City, and 150 miles ENE of Tulsa, OK.
2,200' x 75' Very Nice Sod
CTAF 122.9
Av Gas 100LL available for approx $2. (dealer cost)
Special Events Include: Aerobatic demomstration flights, skydivers, and some fun
events with your airplane.
Everyone's invited for Bar-B-Que Lunch (please bring a covered dish of potato salad,
or cold slaw, or buns, chips, cookies if you can.)
If you are staying overnight, dinner will include steak or chicken, salad and baked
potatoes.
There is camping on the airstrip, or a motel ($50/couple).
If enough wives/girlfriends show an interest we will have a special trip arranged
to the "Precious Moments Chapel" and museum in Carthage, MO. RSVP Ladies!
Sunday morning will have a great breakfast to guaranteed to get you at least halfway
home.
We will pass the hat to help cover the cost of food/drinks. Everything else at
the fly in is free!
Please RSVP to Les Featherston, e-mail at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or 417-466-4663,
or 11853 Lawrence 1105, Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI.
Hotel accomodations:
Arrival Date: Saturday April 26, 2003
Departure Date: Sunday April 27, 2003
Room Rate: $49.50 Per Room Per Night Plus Tax for (1) to (2) Persons
The rates are net, not subject to any discount cards, VIP Cards, or coupons.
Rooms reserved under the Featherston Fly In.
These rates include a continental breakfast with cinnamon raisin and regular bagels
with cream cheese, toast and jelly of your choice, freshly baked donuts,
orange, apple and grape juice from 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM, and coffee 24 hours a
day. Local phone calls are free. Our heated indoor pool is open from 7:00 AM until
10:00 PM daily. Data ports on every room phone.
Jim Prentice, GM
General Manager
Mt. Vernon Super 8
417-461-0230
jpr23(at)sofnet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | halfbreed Rocket fuel lines |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
>>>>>>>so the fuel fitting will clear the diagonal longeron in the fuselage><<<<<<<<<<
Actually, it's the floorboard support angle that is causing problems, not the diagonal
longeron. Whew! I'm not worried about grinding off some of that floorboard
angle. But it sure is tight in there!!!
Vince (oops, spoke too soon. what I thought was a problem is only an inconvenience.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Liberal democrats and the death of 58,000 Americans |
The Democratic party has cost the US 58,000 lives...........
Somebody had President Kennedy killed, right?
President Lyndon Johnson used his new-found power to gear up the US
military industrial complex to prosecute the Vietnam war. The biggest
problem with Johnson was that he would not allow our troops to win. He
micro-managed the Vietnam war and held back our troops. He wouldn't
allow us to win the war out of a fear of the Chinese. His holding back
American troops and micro-managing the war caused the death of tens of
thousands of Americans.
Contrast that with Bush who gave our military a set of objectives and
then let them conduct the war as they saw fit. Our military doesn't
allow the needless loss of both military and civilian lives.....unlike
the democratic party's micro-managing Johnson administration did. Let me
say it again.......Lyndon Johnson held back our troops in Vietnam and
it cost us more than 50,000 lives and the disrespect of the world. We
are only now recovering from the damage the democrats have caused this
country.
Our military has re-written the book on warfare and that is a testament
to Bush allowing our military to do what it needs to do to win and save
lives.
Liberal democrats are the antithesis of freedom despite their attempts
to carry it's banner. The ills that have visited America in the last 50
years are a direct result of the failed democratic party world views and
the imposition of those views on the American people thru a liberal
biased media.
For example, what idiot would allow virtual unchecked immigration from
islamic countries?
As it is today, anyone who would suggest limiting immigration from
virtually any country in the world is labeled a xenophobe and destroyed
by the liberal, democratic news media. Countless politicians have been
destroyed the moment they dared to speak up against immigration by a
liberal media. Chalk it up as another example of the policies of the
democrats backed up by a liberal news media. The liberal news media in
America carries water for the democrats......plain and simple.
The 1994 elections were a "sea change" in America and marks the gradual
decline of the democratic party. I might add that this was, for the most
part, a result of Americas' disgust with the democrat's attempts to
eliminate the right to bear arms.
Don't forget, the liberal news media and the democratic party thinks it
knows better what is good for you than you do.
I take great consolation in the decline of ratings with liberal news
stations. Gives me new hope for America!
Frank Haertlein
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads(at)ctnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Missouri fly-in |
Are you taking the RV-3 and going to this?? Is Jim taking the Lubcombe?
I went to Mt.Olive tonight, but no pussy, a big chance the oldest daughter
would come home and catch us doin it..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: Missouri fly-in
>
> Be there or be square!
> Vince
>
>
> Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In (others welcome too!)
>
> MIDWEST RV and
ROCKET FLY-IN
> April 26th and 27th 2003 Rebel's
Bluff Airport (not on the sectional yet) N37 06.1 W93 52.2
2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon (MISSOURI) Municipal Airport (2MO) About 30
miles west of Springfield, Missouri, 150 miles south of Kansas City, and 150
miles ENE of Tulsa, OK.
> 2,200' x 75' Very Nice Sod
> CTAF 122.9
> Av Gas 100LL available for approx $2. (dealer cost)
>
> Special Events Include: Aerobatic demomstration flights, skydivers, and
some fun events with your airplane.
> Everyone's invited for Bar-B-Que Lunch (please bring a covered dish of
potato salad, or cold slaw, or buns, chips, cookies if you can.)
>
> If you are staying overnight, dinner will include steak or chicken, salad
and baked potatoes.
>
> There is camping on the airstrip, or a motel ($50/couple).
>
> If enough wives/girlfriends show an interest we will have a special trip
arranged to the "Precious Moments Chapel" and museum in Carthage, MO. RSVP
Ladies!
>
> Sunday morning will have a great breakfast to guaranteed to get you at
least halfway home.
>
> We will pass the hat to help cover the cost of food/drinks. Everything
else at the fly in is free!
>
> Please RSVP to Les Featherston, e-mail at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or
417-466-4663, or 11853 Lawrence 1105, Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI.
>
> Hotel accomodations:
> Arrival Date: Saturday April 26, 2003
> Departure Date: Sunday April 27, 2003
> Room Rate: $49.50 Per Room Per Night Plus Tax for (1) to (2) Persons
>
> The rates are net, not subject to any discount cards, VIP Cards, or
coupons.
> Rooms reserved under the Featherston Fly In.
> These rates include a continental breakfast with cinnamon raisin and
regular bagels with cream cheese, toast and jelly of your choice, freshly
baked donuts, orange, apple and grape juice from 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM, and
coffee 24 hours a day. Local phone calls are free. Our heated indoor pool is
open from 7:00 AM until 10:00 PM daily. Data ports on every room phone.
> Jim Prentice, GM
> General Manager
> Mt. Vernon Super 8
> 417-461-0230
> jpr23(at)sofnet.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
You may want to watch how the reply button works on this list. Oh by
the way, too bad.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry
Rhoads
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Missouri fly-in
Are you taking the RV-3 and going to this?? Is Jim taking the Lubcombe?
I went to Mt.Olive tonight, but no pussy, a big chance the oldest
daughter
would come home and catch us doin it..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: Missouri fly-in
>
> Be there or be square!
> Vince
>
>
> Subject: RV and Rocket Fly-In (others welcome too!)
>
> MIDWEST RV
and
ROCKET FLY-IN
> April 26th and 27th 2003
Rebel's
Bluff Airport (not on the sectional yet) N37 06.1 W93
52.2
2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon (MISSOURI) Municipal Airport (2MO) About 30
miles west of Springfield, Missouri, 150 miles south of Kansas City, and
150
miles ENE of Tulsa, OK.
> 2,200' x 75' Very Nice Sod
> CTAF 122.9
> Av Gas 100LL available for approx $2. (dealer cost)
>
> Special Events Include: Aerobatic demomstration flights, skydivers,
and
some fun events with your airplane.
> Everyone's invited for Bar-B-Que Lunch (please bring a covered dish of
potato salad, or cold slaw, or buns, chips, cookies if you can.)
>
> If you are staying overnight, dinner will include steak or chicken,
salad
and baked potatoes.
>
> There is camping on the airstrip, or a motel ($50/couple).
>
> If enough wives/girlfriends show an interest we will have a special
trip
arranged to the "Precious Moments Chapel" and museum in Carthage, MO.
RSVP
Ladies!
>
> Sunday morning will have a great breakfast to guaranteed to get you at
least halfway home.
>
> We will pass the hat to help cover the cost of food/drinks. Everything
else at the fly in is free!
>
> Please RSVP to Les Featherston, e-mail at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or
417-466-4663, or 11853 Lawrence 1105, Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI.
>
> Hotel accomodations:
> Arrival Date: Saturday April 26, 2003
> Departure Date: Sunday April 27, 2003
> Room Rate: $49.50 Per Room Per Night Plus Tax for (1) to (2) Persons
>
> The rates are net, not subject to any discount cards, VIP Cards, or
coupons.
> Rooms reserved under the Featherston Fly In.
> These rates include a continental breakfast with cinnamon raisin and
regular bagels with cream cheese, toast and jelly of your choice,
freshly
baked donuts, orange, apple and grape juice from 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM,
and
coffee 24 hours a day. Local phone calls are free. Our heated indoor
pool is
open from 7:00 AM until 10:00 PM daily. Data ports on every room phone.
> Jim Prentice, GM
> General Manager
> Mt. Vernon Super 8
> 417-461-0230
> jpr23(at)sofnet.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In |
Hi Guys and Gals, Please consider coming to a Fly-In this Saturday and
Sunday at Rebel's Bluff Airport. N37 06.1 and W93 52.2. It is two miles
north of Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI, Airport (2MO). I'd like to have this be the
largest fly-in of RV's and Rockets outside of Osh, S n Fun, and Van's
Homecoming. The lunch will be a Memphis Style Bar-B-Que sandwich from "Hawg
Wild" Bar-B-Que. That alone is worth the trip, and free for the pilot.
We'll have some special demo flights, and a presentation at 2:00 PM. If you
can stay overnight, the local motel is offering $50/couple or two to a room.
Camp on the airstrip if you like. Dinner will be a "cook it yersef"
charcoal steaks, chicken etc. With baked potato and salad. And lot's of
"good flying lying". I'll whip up a breakfast guaranteed to get you at least
halfway home. I have had a great response with airplanes coming from
Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Albuquerque, and all points in between. Looks
like the weather will be super all over the Midwest with clear skies here and
temps around 70F. Ya'll come and experience some "good olde Ozarks"
hospitality. Send e-mail or call for more infomation.
lwfeatherston(at)aol.com, morocketman(at)aol.com, or 417-466-4663. YOUR RSVP
WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, Thanks, Les Featherston
Could someone be sure this shows up on the Matronics RV list.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In |
"Hi Guys and Gals, Please consider coming to a Fly-In this Saturday and
Sunday at Rebel's Bluff Airport. I'd like to have this be the largest
fly-in of RV's and Rockets outside of Osh, S n Fun, and Van's Homecoming."
--
Those of us in Waco, Texas are going to try to give you guys at Rebel's
Bluff a run for your money!! Maybe we'll have a little yearly tally to see
how many planes show up at each respective fly-in!!!
The RV and Rocket fly-in at Scott Field (31TX) is scheduled for June 7th. It
is growing by leaps and bounds!!!! Be sure to come! It is only a little
more than a month away!
Check it out here:
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/centraltxrv/cougarlanding.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO! |
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:24 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO!
From: Lwfeatherston(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:47:01 EDT
Subject: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO!
Hi Everybody, the Fly-In at Rebel's Bluff AP tomorrow, April 26th, is a GO!
The weather forecast is for Clear Sky's, 72F, and east winds about 6 mph.
The entire midwest looks good with maybe some windy conditions in Nebraska,
Iowa, and points north. Same for East Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi. The
forecast for flying home Sunday also looks very good.
Rebel's Bluff is N37 06.1, and W93
52.2, two miles NNE of Mt Vernon Airport 2MO (thats Missouri not Illinois)
and two miles west of the city of Mt Vernon, MO. RW12/30 is in great
condition. Moist but not muddy. Should be perfect tomorrow. Please use
SOUTH traffic away from the neighbors houses. That is "right traffic to RW
12" and "left traffic to RW30" Thanks! Use CTAF 122.9 and announce "Mt
Vernon Traffic, this is Experimental XYZ, x-miles east/west, landing runway
?? at Rebel's Bluff." Springfield Tracon is expecting you for traffic
advisories on 124.95. Just say Rebel's Bluff and you will get the brief.
It should be a beautiful day for flying, so come on out.
If perchance you are driving (while still building
that RV or Rocket) get to exit 44 on Interstate 44 near Mt Vernon, go east
1.2 miles, left/north on Hiway 39, 1/4 mile turn left/west on Hiway V (like
Victor), go 2.4 miles across the bridge you will see Rebel's Bluff on the
left. Thanks, everybody, see you tomorrow, Les Featherston
417-466-4663
Hi Everybody, the Fly-In at Rebel's Bluff AP tomorrow, April 26th, is a GO! The
weather forecast is for Clear Sky's, 72F, and east winds about 6 mph. The entire
midwest looks good with maybe some windy conditions in Nebraska, Iowa, and
points north. Same for East Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi. The forecast for
flying home Sunday also looks very good. Rebel's Bluff is N37 06.1, and W93
52.2, two miles NNE of Mt Vernon Airport 2MO (thats Missouri not Illinois) and
two miles west of the city of Mt Vernon, MO. RW12/30 is in great condition.=20Moist
but not muddy. Should be perfect tomorrow. Please use SOUTH traffic away
from the neighbors houses. That is "right traffic to RW 12" and "left traffic
to RW30" Thanks! Use CTAF 122.9 and announce "Mt Vernon Traffic, this is Experimental
XYZ, x-miles east/west, landing runway ?? at Rebel's Bluff." Springfield
Tracon is expecting you for traffic advisories on 124.95. Just say Rebel's
Bluff and you will get the brief. It should be a beautiful day for flying,=20so
come on out. If perchance you are driving (while still building that RV or
Rocket) get to exit=2044 on Interstate 44 near Mt Vernon, go east 1.2 miles,
left/north on Hiway 39, 1/4 mile turn left/west on Hiway V (like Victor), go 2.4
miles across the bridge you will see Rebel's Bluff on the left. Thanks, everybody,
see you tomorrow, Les Featherston 417-466-4663
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Wilson" <air(at)echoweb.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Liberal democrats and the death of 58,000 Americans |
AGREED....................Howard Wilson dba Aero Inspection & Restoration,
Grants Pass Oregon
Thank you for your comment and opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Liberal democrats and the death of 58,000 Americans
>
> The Democratic party has cost the US 58,000 lives...........
>
> Somebody had President Kennedy killed, right?
>
> President Lyndon Johnson used his new-found power to gear up the US
> military industrial complex to prosecute the Vietnam war. The biggest
> problem with Johnson was that he would not allow our troops to win. He
> micro-managed the Vietnam war and held back our troops. He wouldn't
> allow us to win the war out of a fear of the Chinese. His holding back
> American troops and micro-managing the war caused the death of tens of
> thousands of Americans.
>
> Contrast that with Bush who gave our military a set of objectives and
> then let them conduct the war as they saw fit. Our military doesn't
> allow the needless loss of both military and civilian lives.....unlike
> the democratic party's micro-managing Johnson administration did. Let me
> say it again.......Lyndon Johnson held back our troops in Vietnam and
> it cost us more than 50,000 lives and the disrespect of the world. We
> are only now recovering from the damage the democrats have caused this
> country.
>
> Our military has re-written the book on warfare and that is a testament
> to Bush allowing our military to do what it needs to do to win and save
> lives.
>
> Liberal democrats are the antithesis of freedom despite their attempts
> to carry it's banner. The ills that have visited America in the last 50
> years are a direct result of the failed democratic party world views and
> the imposition of those views on the American people thru a liberal
> biased media.
>
> For example, what idiot would allow virtual unchecked immigration from
> islamic countries?
> As it is today, anyone who would suggest limiting immigration from
> virtually any country in the world is labeled a xenophobe and destroyed
> by the liberal, democratic news media. Countless politicians have been
> destroyed the moment they dared to speak up against immigration by a
> liberal media. Chalk it up as another example of the policies of the
> democrats backed up by a liberal news media. The liberal news media in
> America carries water for the democrats......plain and simple.
>
> The 1994 elections were a "sea change" in America and marks the gradual
> decline of the democratic party. I might add that this was, for the most
> part, a result of Americas' disgust with the democrat's attempts to
> eliminate the right to bear arms.
>
> Don't forget, the liberal news media and the democratic party thinks it
> knows better what is good for you than you do.
>
> I take great consolation in the decline of ratings with liberal news
> stations. Gives me new hope for America!
>
> Frank Haertlein
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Liberal democrats and the death of 58,000 Americans |
here here frank you tell em
uh are you proposing to rid the country of democrats?
u sound em like saddam
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Highams" <aerostar(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Could some one tell me the thickness of the temporary blocks that sit on top of
the spar to support the back of the tank spar while attaching the skin . I believe
the measurement is 3/4 of one inch!
Frank Higham Kiwi Rocket
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In |
Listers
This past weekend, for me, defined why I fly a rocket. Les Featherston
hosted a flyin at his strip, Rebel's Bluff, and it provided me with a
perfect weekend of flying. Rebel's Bluff, MO, is 700nm from our farm in
Canada and the rocket made it possible to do this in 3.7 hours of flight.
There is something about gliding over the landscape at 9500 feet and 200
knots that lightens the heart.
Les, and his wife Linda, were the perfect hosts. Their property is
beautiful, the curved runway a delight, and their neighbours came out in
full force to welcome visitors. This is a property that is a only a dream
for most plane owners and I highly recommend that you put this place on your
map and attend next years flyin. I would like to note, however, that there
needs to be more than one rocket next year! Well done Les and Linda.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Morocketman(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In
Hi Guys and Gals, Please consider coming to a Fly-In this Saturday and
Sunday at Rebel's Bluff Airport. N37 06.1 and W93 52.2. It is two miles
north of Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI, Airport (2MO). I'd like to have this be
the
largest fly-in of RV's and Rockets outside of Osh, S n Fun, and Van's
Homecoming. The lunch will be a Memphis Style Bar-B-Que sandwich from "Hawg
Wild" Bar-B-Que. That alone is worth the trip, and free for the pilot.
We'll have some special demo flights, and a presentation at 2:00 PM. If you
can stay overnight, the local motel is offering $50/couple or two to a room.
Camp on the airstrip if you like. Dinner will be a "cook it yersef"
charcoal steaks, chicken etc. With baked potato and salad. And lot's of
"good flying lying". I'll whip up a breakfast guaranteed to get you at
least
halfway home. I have had a great response with airplanes coming from
Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Albuquerque, and all points in between. Looks
like the weather will be super all over the Midwest with clear skies here
and
temps around 70F. Ya'll come and experience some "good olde Ozarks"
hospitality. Send e-mail or call for more infomation.
lwfeatherston(at)aol.com, morocketman(at)aol.com, or 417-466-4663. YOUR RSVP
WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, Thanks, Les Featherston
Could someone be sure this shows up on the Matronics RV list.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/27/03 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP
Could some one tell me the thickness of the temporary blocks that sit on top of
the spar to support the back of the tank spar while attaching the skin . I believe
the measurement is 3/4 of one inch!
SNIP
Blocks? You don't need no stinkin' blocks. The tank spar (called the rear baffle,
IIRC, on the plans) can wiggle around a bit if you're not careful. The easy
way to keep it in perfect position is to pop rivet it to the spar flange in
a few places. Then install the skin. Drill out the pop rivets later when deburring
everything. I've got good pics of the process on my wing page.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Construction%20Notes%20for%20the%20tail%20and%20wings.htm
Vince Frazier
1946 Stinson, NC97535, FOR SALE
F-1H Rocket, "Shangrila", N540VF reserved,
<http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html>
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In |
I hear ya Tom........... It just wasn't possible this year. Great report!
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In
>
> Listers
> This past weekend, for me, defined why I fly a rocket. Les
Featherston
> hosted a flyin at his strip, Rebel's Bluff, and it provided me with a
> perfect weekend of flying. Rebel's Bluff, MO, is 700nm from our farm in
> Canada and the rocket made it possible to do this in 3.7 hours of flight.
> There is something about gliding over the landscape at 9500 feet and 200
> knots that lightens the heart.
> Les, and his wife Linda, were the perfect hosts. Their property is
> beautiful, the curved runway a delight, and their neighbours came out in
> full force to welcome visitors. This is a property that is a only a dream
> for most plane owners and I highly recommend that you put this place on
your
> map and attend next years flyin. I would like to note, however, that
there
> needs to be more than one rocket next year! Well done Les and Linda.
>
> Tom Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Morocketman(at)aol.com
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In
>
>
> Hi Guys and Gals, Please consider coming to a Fly-In this Saturday and
> Sunday at Rebel's Bluff Airport. N37 06.1 and W93 52.2. It is two miles
> north of Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI, Airport (2MO). I'd like to have this be
> the
> largest fly-in of RV's and Rockets outside of Osh, S n Fun, and Van's
> Homecoming. The lunch will be a Memphis Style Bar-B-Que sandwich from
"Hawg
> Wild" Bar-B-Que. That alone is worth the trip, and free for the pilot.
> We'll have some special demo flights, and a presentation at 2:00 PM. If
you
> can stay overnight, the local motel is offering $50/couple or two to a
room.
> Camp on the airstrip if you like. Dinner will be a "cook it yersef"
> charcoal steaks, chicken etc. With baked potato and salad. And lot's of
> "good flying lying". I'll whip up a breakfast guaranteed to get you at
> least
> halfway home. I have had a great response with airplanes coming from
> Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Albuquerque, and all points in between. Looks
> like the weather will be super all over the Midwest with clear skies here
> and
> temps around 70F. Ya'll come and experience some "good olde Ozarks"
> hospitality. Send e-mail or call for more infomation.
> lwfeatherston(at)aol.com, morocketman(at)aol.com, or 417-466-4663. YOUR RSVP
> WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, Thanks, Les Featherston
> Could someone be sure this shows up on the Matronics RV list.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steven B. Janicki" <longezav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Rocket II Plans for Sale |
Hello, I have a set of untouched Rocket II plans for sale. I paid $95.00 for them
and I am asking $75.00 which will include shipping. I also have an issue of
Sport Aviation which has a full color article on the RII that I will include
with the plans. Regards, Steven
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Schnebeck" <schnebeck(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket II Plans for Sale |
I am interested in the plans. How long have you had them? Are they current?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven B. Janicki" <longezav8r(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket II Plans for Sale
>
> Hello, I have a set of untouched Rocket II plans for sale. I paid $95.00
for them and I am asking $75.00 which will include shipping. I also have an
issue of Sport Aviation which has a full color article on the RII that I
will include with the plans. Regards, Steven
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Les Featherston's fly-in |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)" ,
"Indyrvs (E-mail)"
Les Featherston's flyin report:
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20Gallery.html
Very fun!
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Nuse" <gnuse(at)attbi.com> |
I am interested in trading a 1970 Ferrari Daytona coupe for a Rocket. I can provide
photos and details if there is anyone interested in trading.
Thanks,
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tedd McHenry <tedd(at)vansairforce.org> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates |
> Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
You've obviously never seen any of my landings.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Nuse" <gnuse(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket wanted |
I have owned the car for quite some years now and I am not sure I understand the
humor in your post. Maybe you could take the time to explain yourself.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates |
It was my understanding that the swagger (or stagger) came from the tail
wheel being implanted upon landing and the included "pucker" factor. They
don't call a "tail" wheel only because it's at the rear, opps there another
backside referance, opps ...dang I did it again. 8+) KABONG (GBA) Do Not
Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> That's okay Chuck, I think $2 is a small price to pay for the swagger we
get to walk with after we valt out of our taildraggers. :-)
>
> Bill VonDane wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill
VonDane"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Saturday May 3rd, Bakersfield Municipal airport (L45) |
Saturday May 3rd
Its a possibility the weather might suck on Saturday but if it doesn't fly in
to Bakersfield Municipal airport (L45) Hot Rods, Motorcycles, Live Band, BBQ
and some of the hottest airplanes in the valley....see you there!
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Nuse" <gnuse(at)attbi.com> |
Apology accepted. I don't think such things should interfere with our love and
enthusiasm for airplanes, especially really cool ones.
Regards,
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket wanted |
THE WEBSITE SOUNDS MORE LIKE A TRUCKERS CB RADIO RATCHET JAW BONE CHANNEL
WITH A LOT OF BUTT PATTING INSTEAD OF GOOD IDEAS ON ROCKET BUILDING
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bakersfield flyin Saturday May 3rd |
In a message dated 5/2/2003 6:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
VFrazier(at)usi.edu writes:
>
> Somebody puuuuulleeeeeaze take a bunch of digipics and send them to me so I
> can post 'em for all of us still pounding rivets.
>
I will be taking digital pictures of the planes flying in....weather permited
of course.
Saturday May 3rd
Its a possibility the weather might suck on Saturday but if it doesn't fly in
to Bakersfield Municipal airport (L45) Hot Rods, Motorcycles, Live Band, BBQ
and some of the hottest airplanes in the valley....see you there!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
There is a picture in the "what our members are building" section of the
latest EAA sport Aviation mag of a RV-8 with a O-540. A few folks over
the years have done this with 8's & sixes. Has anyone done the W&B and
other studies to see the extent of such a undertaking??
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
PM-There has been a lot of research on the IO-540 in the RV-8. We can go
fast too.
TOM
Tom Whelan
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01(at)aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Getting Close)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Japundza <bjapundza(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
The super-8 in SA is owned by a friend of mine. There are four super-8's flying
here in Indy, and those guys did their homework. They have to be very careful
flying them in normal flight out of fear of overloading the wings. They use
a larger 35ah battery mounted mid-way in the tailcone. They are about 10mph
slower than a Rocket at cruise. Regards, Bob
There is a picture in the "what our members are building" section of the
latest EAA sport Aviation mag of a RV-8 with a O-540. A few folks over
the years have done this with 8's & sixes. Has anyone done the W&B and
other studies to see the extent of such a undertaking??
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Kowalski" <salned(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Parachutes for Sale |
Two new strong Parachutes for sale. $1200.00 each new. One back and One seat.
$600.00 each plus shipping and handling.
E-mail salned(at)msn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Bob--
What's this "overloading the wings" stuff? They're still built to
+6/-3g, aren't they? Are these guys "who did their homework" saying
that because of a little extra engine and battery weight that their
wings are more likely to depart the airframe in a "normal flight"
envelope? Something is not right with this picture. What is the empty
weight of these airplanes? And, (reaching under the desk for my
soapbox) why go to all the trouble with a Super-8 mod and not go with an
IO-540 (esp. up there in the Midwest where icing is much more prevalent
than down here in SW Florida)? And, mmmnph, mmnnnppphhh....Oh, thanks,
honey--I was starting to drool, there, wasn't I?
Boyd
RV-Super 6/325 LyCon hp
design gross weight 1900#--flight tested to 2000#--guess what my design
aerobatic weight is?
wings chopped 7" ala Harmon Rocket--lotsa good advice out there in
Bakersfield for anyone wanting to put a -540 in any RV.
Bob Japundza wrote:
>
>The super-8 in SA is owned by a friend of mine. There are four super-8's flying
here in Indy, and those guys did their homework. They have to be very careful
flying them in normal flight out of fear of overloading the wings. They use
a larger 35ah battery mounted mid-way in the tailcone. They are about 10mph
slower than a Rocket at cruise. Regards, Bob
>
>
>
>There is a picture in the "what our members are building" section of the
>latest EAA sport Aviation mag of a RV-8 with a O-540. A few folks over
>the years have done this with 8's & sixes. Has anyone done the W&B and
>other studies to see the extent of such a undertaking??
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Japundza <bjapundza(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Boyd, the wings on the Super-8's aren't chopped down like the Rockets or your airplane.
Couple that with a significantly higher empty weight and higher cruise
speeds, a wing that's already longer than a RV-4 wing, it is possible to overstress
the wings when going thru turbulence since they are cruising right on
the RV-8's designed red-line, when operating at 75%. These guys usually loaf
around under 50% power at typical RV speeds/fuel burns so life is smooth and
quiet. Unlike the Rockets with the heavier skins up front and other structure
mods, these are stock airframes, so there is some merit to their thinking--just
being careful. I don't know off hand what their empty weights were. Three
of them are carbureted, and that was just out of personal preference, ease of
maintenance, starting, etc. The reason for using a 540 is there's more bang for
the buck there. Regards, Bob
"Boyd C. Braem"
Bob--
What's this "overloading the wings" stuff? They're still built to
+6/-3g, aren't they? Are these guys "who did their homework" saying
that because of a little extra engine and battery weight that their
wings are more likely to depart the airframe in a "normal flight"
envelope? Something is not right with this picture. What is the empty
weight of these airplanes? And, (reaching under the desk for my
soapbox) why go to all the trouble with a Super-8 mod and not go with an
IO-540 (esp. up there in the Midwest where icing is much more prevalent
than down here in SW Florida)? And, mmmnph, mmnnnppphhh....Oh, thanks,
honey--I was starting to drool, there, wasn't I?
Boyd
RV-Super 6/325 LyCon hp
design gross weight 1900#--flight tested to 2000#--guess what my design
aerobatic weight is?
wings chopped 7" ala Harmon Rocket--lotsa good advice out there in
Bakersfield for anyone wanting to put a -540 in any RV.
Bob Japundza wrote:
>
>The super-8 in SA is owned by a friend of mine. There are four super-8's flying
here in Indy, and those guys did their homework. They have to be very careful
flying them in normal flight out of fear of overloading the wings. They use
a larger 35ah battery mounted mid-way in the tailcone. They are about 10mph slower
than a Rocket at cruise. Regards, Bob
>
>P M Condon
>
>
>There is a picture in the "what our members are building" section of the
>latest EAA sport Aviation mag of a RV-8 with a O-540. A few folks over
>the years have done this with 8's & sixes. Has anyone done the W&B and
>other studies to see the extent of such a undertaking??
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Whoa!!! Boyd!
Chill out dude don't blow a base gasket. Remember " " "EXPERIMENTAL" "
" , get it?
Hey, by the way, I noticed you list your Ly-Con 540 at 325 hp. Would you
mind listing whats been done to that bad boy and at what settings your
getting that much power? I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been dynoed. At
full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
Thanks
Ron Carter
HRII #49
335 ttsn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boyd C.
Braem
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport
Aviation
Bob--
What's this "overloading the wings" stuff? They're still built to
+6/-3g, aren't they? Are these guys "who did their homework" saying
that because of a little extra engine and battery weight that their
wings are more likely to depart the airframe in a "normal flight"
envelope? Something is not right with this picture. What is the empty
weight of these airplanes? And, (reaching under the desk for my
soapbox) why go to all the trouble with a Super-8 mod and not go with an
IO-540 (esp. up there in the Midwest where icing is much more prevalent
than down here in SW Florida)? And, mmmnph, mmnnnppphhh....Oh, thanks,
honey--I was starting to drool, there, wasn't I?
Boyd
RV-Super 6/325 LyCon hp
design gross weight 1900#--flight tested to 2000#--guess what my design
aerobatic weight is?
wings chopped 7" ala Harmon Rocket--lotsa good advice out there in
Bakersfield for anyone wanting to put a -540 in any RV.
Bob Japundza wrote:
>
>The super-8 in SA is owned by a friend of mine. There are four
>super-8's flying here in Indy, and those guys did their homework. They
>have to be very careful flying them in normal flight out of fear of
>overloading the wings. They use a larger 35ah battery mounted mid-way
>in the tailcone. They are about 10mph slower than a Rocket at cruise.
>Regards, Bob
>
>P M Condon
>
>
>There is a picture in the "what our members are building" section of
>the latest EAA sport Aviation mag of a RV-8 with a O-540. A few folks
>over the years have done this with 8's & sixes. Has anyone done the W&B
>and other studies to see the extent of such a undertaking??
>
>
>
>
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Ron,
What's your takeoff fuel flow at sea level? That is a pretty good
indicator (and BS filter). I believe you can figure something like:
ff divided by .1 on most piston engines. I'm told it is impossible to
get more than 300 with an RSA5 due to fuel delivery limitations. The
bigger injection units can do it however.
Russ
> I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
> been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been
dynoed. At
> full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
He fellas, stop and think a minute. If you have full fuel and NO PASSENGER
OR BAGGAGE, versus low fuel (6-8 gallons) you have made a much more
significant (+250 LB) change in the wing loading than the IO-540
engine/battery combination. I believe the wings can easily stand the load on
any RV design IF you fly the airplane sensibly. That means respecting
"design maneuvering speed". If you fly in turbulent air, doing aerobatics
over-the-top, with a passenger, and are not extremely aware, you'd best have
a prepaid burial plan, and a hefty umbrella policy to cover the liability.
Please don't do this, and ruin the program for the rest of us? I do solo
aerobatics in my RV-4 and have never seen 4 g's. It is not necessary.
On another note, unless you can fork
over the big bucks for a new Lycoming or Superior Kit engine, where are you
going to find an IO-360, or O-360? There is a used or overhaul-able -540
lying around in half the hangars in the country. And I believe that a -540
is cheaper to buy, and from what I hear, as economical to run if you can
manage the "money lever" with your left hand. Seems almost everything in
aviation "comes down to good judgment!"
I had a two hour conversation with Van in 1999,
asking why (with the above concerns) that he did not design the RV-8 for the
Lycoming 540 engines. He said, "My airplanes are designed for the "average
pilot". Let's don't criticize someone for making his airplane a bit more
that the average IF HE IS CAREFUL AND CAN HANDLE IT! Les Featherston
N206KT HRII w 262HP Very soon to fly!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Russ-
My field elevation is 4,230 so I don't get to sea level much. But at
4,230 I see 20.3 - 20.7 gph @ 2,730 rpm on take off. By the .1 gph p/hp
you suggest I am doing 215 mph w/ 116 hp since I burn 11.6 gph @2400 and
21 in. So I guess one can use the gph as a current hp output calculator?
Ron Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ Werner
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport
Aviation
Ron,
What's your takeoff fuel flow at sea level? That is a pretty good
indicator (and BS filter). I believe you can figure something like:
ff divided by .1 on most piston engines. I'm told it is impossible to
get more than 300 with an RSA5 due to fuel delivery limitations. The
bigger injection units can do it however.
Russ
> I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
> been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been
dynoed. At
> full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
>
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Hey, Bob--
I understand what you're saying, but all RVs (all aircraft, for that
matter) that cruise well above Va (maneuvering speed)(around 135 mph
indicated for RVs) need to be cautious in this regard. I've spoken to
several RV pilots in the past who had no idea what their Va was or why
it was important. I guess that if you learn in a low speed trainer, the
subject does not come up much (and, I am NOT disparaging low-speed
trainers--I love flying J-3 Cubs/AirCams, etc.) And, the length of the
wing, if properly designed for the anticipated loading, should not
matter--I mean, the +10/-10g rating on the Extra 300 is not derived from
the wingspan (with the exception that the FAA (at least they used to)
will accept calculations of wing loading based on vertical gusts of
25/50 fps velocities as opposed to physically flying a full Vn flight
envelope to establish a figure for Vne--then Vd-max becomes Vne +
10%--unless there are some other structural concerns that would limit
max airspeed--like wheelpants ripping off in flight).
So, anyway, what I'm rambling about, here, is that if you want to fly a
fast airplane, you need to design/build a fast airplane--if you take a
"slow" airplane and fly it "fast", then prudence, is indeed, its own
reward--tho, maybe not the best solution to the problem.
Boyd.
Bob Japundza wrote:
>
>Boyd, the wings on the Super-8's aren't chopped down like the Rockets or your
airplane. Couple that with a significantly higher empty weight and higher cruise
speeds, a wing that's already longer than a RV-4 wing, it is possible to overstress
the wings when going thru turbulence since they are cruising right on
the RV-8's designed red-line, when operating at 75%. These guys usually loaf
around under 50% power at typical RV speeds/fuel burns so life is smooth and
quiet. Unlike the Rockets with the heavier skins up front and other structure
mods, these are stock airframes, so there is some merit to their thinking--just
being careful. I don't know off hand what their empty weights were. Three
of them are carbureted, and that was just out of personal preference, ease of
maintenance, starting, etc. The reason for using a 540 is there's more bang
for the buck there. Regards, Bob
>
"Boyd C. Braem"
>
>Bob--
>
>What's this "overloading the wings" stuff? They're still built to
>+6/-3g, aren't they? Are these guys "who did their homework" saying
>that because of a little extra engine and battery weight that their
>wings are more likely to depart the airframe in a "normal flight"
>envelope? Something is not right with this picture. What is the empty
>weight of these airplanes? And, (reaching under the desk for my
>soapbox) why go to all the trouble with a Super-8 mod and not go with an
>IO-540 (esp. up there in the Midwest where icing is much more prevalent
>than down here in SW Florida)? And, mmmnph, mmnnnppphhh....Oh, thanks,
>honey--I was starting to drool, there, wasn't I?
>
>Boyd
>RV-Super 6/325 LyCon hp
>design gross weight 1900#--flight tested to 2000#--guess what my design
>aerobatic weight is?
>wings chopped 7" ala Harmon Rocket--lotsa good advice out there in
>Bakersfield for anyone wanting to put a -540 in any RV.
>
>Bob Japundza wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>The super-8 in SA is owned by a friend of mine. There are four super-8's flying
here in Indy, and those guys did their homework. They have to be very careful
flying them in normal flight out of fear of overloading the wings. They use
a larger 35ah battery mounted mid-way in the tailcone. They are about 10mph slower
than a Rocket at cruise. Regards, Bob
>>
>>P M Condon
>>
>>
>
>
>>There is a picture in the "what our members are building" section of the
>>latest EAA sport Aviation mag of a RV-8 with a O-540. A few folks over
>>the years have done this with 8's & sixes. Has anyone done the W&B and
>>other studies to see the extent of such a undertaking??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Ron--
Engines, like minds, are a terrible thing. The dyno report from LyCon
(temp-60F, 29.84"Hg) at 2750 rpm showed 323 hp (so I lied about the
325!) at??? 25.6 gal/hr??? (maybe they meant 35.6) and a MAP of 27.51".
However, down here in Venice, FL (which is 19' msl), on a good high
pressure day, I generally run about 2.5" below ambient air pressure at
the start of the take-off run and after I get some speed up my ram-air
port reduces this to about 1.5" below ambient (non-filtered air)--fuel
flow from my VM-1000, which has proved to be remarkably accurate, is
usually around 35-36 gal/hr at 2800 rpm at sea-level take-off. One of
the mechs at LyCon told me to divide the gal/hr flow at sea level, full
power, by 0.11 to get an estimate of hp. I'm not sure how to correct
that calculation for your msl altitude.
With a "wide-body" -6, I generally get about 240 mph indicated at 75%
(24/24) and around 260 at 2800 rpm, down where the deer and the buffalo
roam. Max rate of climb with solo pilot is 4,300 fpm. I really love
this airplane. Gross aerobatic weight is 1650 and max gross weight is
1900. Ready to fly empty weight is 1230.
Boyd.
Super-6
Ron C wrote:
>
>Whoa!!! Boyd!
>
>Chill out dude don't blow a base gasket. Remember " " "EXPERIMENTAL" "
>" , get it?
>
>Hey, by the way, I noticed you list your Ly-Con 540 at 325 hp. Would you
>mind listing whats been done to that bad boy and at what settings your
>getting that much power? I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
>been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been dynoed. At
>full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
>
>Thanks
>
>Ron Carter
>HRII #49
>335 ttsn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Winnick645(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Parachutes for Sale |
In a message dated 5/5/2003 9:27:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, salned(at)msn.com
writes:
> salned(at)msn.com
Please send a phone # So that we can discuss parachute sale. Thanks
Rich Winnick 303-429-5213
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jamesbaldwin(at)attglobal.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Rocketeers and others -
The questions and rules of thumb given here regarding horsepower and fuel
consumption indicate to me you guys might like to understand how this thing
really works.
ALL engines, turbine or reciprocating, are very simple converter devices.
They convert fuel -- in the recip case gasoline, at 6.0 pounds per gallon
(auto fuel varies but is about 6.5 lbs/gal average) -- into useful work with
some undesirable byproducts -- heat and noise. I'm sure a lot of you
understand most of the heat energy lost in a recip goes out the exhaust pipe
with a smaller amount lost to the air through the cooling fins which exits
the cowl. Mechanical friction takes some too. This waste costs a major
portion of the energy prevalent in a pound of gasoline but still yields us
enough to turn our props.
In almost all common aircraft engines currently used in light planes, the
term BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption) falls within the range of 0.375
(rare) to 0.55 and the units are 'pounds per hour per horsepower'. In other
words, it takes about (average number) 0.45 pounds of fuel to produce one
horsepower for one hour. Remember this is pounds. If it is gallons it would
be about .075 gallons.
Multiply gallons per hour times the weight of fuel per gallon to get
consumption in pounds per hour. Then multiply by the number of horses you
are using -- i.e. 200 horsepower engine at 75% power is 150 HP. If the BSFC
is .45 (pretty average but good number these days) then the hourly
consumption of fuel is .45 times 150 which equals 67.5 pounds per hour. This
is equal to 11.25 gallons per hour if the fuel weighs 6.0 pounds per gallon.
If a guy leans his injected, flow optimized, blueprinted engine with great
fuel atomization (more complete burning of the fuel/air mixture) with
electronic ignition he might get down to either a lower burn per hour or
simply get more horsepower to the prop. An interesting note -- I always got
more range out of my Grumman Cheetah using auto gas because in some cases it
was as much as 8 or 9% heavier! More BTU's per pound, and engines don't burn
gallons, they burn pounds!
I guarantee you these numbers are readily available to anyone using a decent
dyno with modern digital data acquisition. The engine used in the Voyager
was hitting some pretty low BSFC numbers because they used all the tricks --
high operating temps, low RPM, fuel injection, tuned exhaust, etc, etc. Our
Rocket engines with open exhaust (no mufflers), fuel injection, high CRs, etc
should do pretty well except that we are all speed freaks and use a lot of
power playing around most of the time. When we get serious and do a X
country the numbers can be pretty good.
This was a simple, abbreviated version of horsepower estimation using fuel
flow. The bottom line is this: fuel consumption in gallons per hour times
the weight in pounds per gallon divided by the BSFC will give you how much
horsepower is being delivered to the prop. A dynamometer or torque
transducer is the only way to really know the actual HP number delivered to
the prop but the numbers from the factory for my Piper Twin Comanche with
fuel injected, open exhaust, 160 horsepower IO-320s ranges from .44 to .58
lbs/HP/hr. Get your calculators and have at it guys! JBB
p.s. I checked my calculations but if I made a mistake let me know.
"Boyd C. Braem" wrote:
>
> Ron--
>
> Engines, like minds, are a terrible thing. The dyno report from LyCon
> (temp-60F, 29.84"Hg) at 2750 rpm showed 323 hp (so I lied about the
> 325!) at??? 25.6 gal/hr??? (maybe they meant 35.6) and a MAP of 27.51".
> However, down here in Venice, FL (which is 19' msl), on a good high
> pressure day, I generally run about 2.5" below ambient air pressure at
> the start of the take-off run and after I get some speed up my ram-air
> port reduces this to about 1.5" below ambient (non-filtered air)--fuel
> flow from my VM-1000, which has proved to be remarkably accurate, is
> usually around 35-36 gal/hr at 2800 rpm at sea-level take-off. One of
> the mechs at LyCon told me to divide the gal/hr flow at sea level, full
> power, by 0.11 to get an estimate of hp. I'm not sure how to correct
> that calculation for your msl altitude.
>
> With a "wide-body" -6, I generally get about 240 mph indicated at 75%
> (24/24) and around 260 at 2800 rpm, down where the deer and the buffalo
> roam. Max rate of climb with solo pilot is 4,300 fpm. I really love
> this airplane. Gross aerobatic weight is 1650 and max gross weight is
> 1900. Ready to fly empty weight is 1230.
>
> Boyd.
> Super-6
>
> Ron C wrote:
>
> >
> >Whoa!!! Boyd!
> >
> >Chill out dude don't blow a base gasket. Remember " " "EXPERIMENTAL" "
> >" , get it?
> >
> >Hey, by the way, I noticed you list your Ly-Con 540 at 325 hp. Would you
> >mind listing whats been done to that bad boy and at what settings your
> >getting that much power? I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
> >been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been dynoed. At
> >full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ron Carter
> >HRII #49
> >335 ttsn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Parachutes for Sale |
Hi Please give me a call at 417-466-4663 or 417-425=3595 Thx Les Featheston
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Mr. Baldwin is absolutely correct with his discussion of BSFC. I use this
concept whenever someone starts comparing their fuel burn per hour with my
rocket. Especially the "modern" engine guys. They will talk about how
efficient their engines are but when you break it down to lbs of fuel burned
per HP per hour it will be very close to my old lycoming. It always is
amazing to people how efficient the rocket is on a mpg basis compared with
other planes. This is no surprise if you use the BSFC concept and how clean
our airframes are.
gallons per hour. My engine is stock and I was flying at 800 feet above sea
level full throttle full rich. This yielded a speed of 208 knots or 240 mph.
I have about 500 hours of rocket time now in two planes, both of them with
stock engines. A very real and repeatable cross country number that I use
for flight planning is 175 knots at a fuel burn of 11.5 gph, wheels up to
wheels down. The power setting for this would be 22 to 23 inches and 2000 to
2100 rpm. I usually run 50 to 75 degrees rich of peak, yes I will run lean
of peak on occasion when I am high and using a low power setting. To run
properly lean of peak you need to have an engine monitor and you have to
know which cylinder peaks last. It takes a bit of fussing to get it right so
I usually do not bother
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jamesbaldwin(at)attglobal.net
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport
Aviation
Rocketeers and others -
The questions and rules of thumb given here regarding horsepower and fuel
consumption indicate to me you guys might like to understand how this thing
really works.
ALL engines, turbine or reciprocating, are very simple converter devices.
They convert fuel -- in the recip case gasoline, at 6.0 pounds per gallon
(auto fuel varies but is about 6.5 lbs/gal average) -- into useful work with
some undesirable byproducts -- heat and noise. I'm sure a lot of you
understand most of the heat energy lost in a recip goes out the exhaust pipe
with a smaller amount lost to the air through the cooling fins which exits
the cowl. Mechanical friction takes some too. This waste costs a major
portion of the energy prevalent in a pound of gasoline but still yields us
enough to turn our props.
In almost all common aircraft engines currently used in light planes, the
term BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption) falls within the range of 0.375
(rare) to 0.55 and the units are 'pounds per hour per horsepower'. In other
words, it takes about (average number) 0.45 pounds of fuel to produce one
horsepower for one hour. Remember this is pounds. If it is gallons it
would
be about .075 gallons.
Multiply gallons per hour times the weight of fuel per gallon to get
consumption in pounds per hour. Then multiply by the number of horses you
are using -- i.e. 200 horsepower engine at 75% power is 150 HP. If the BSFC
is .45 (pretty average but good number these days) then the hourly
consumption of fuel is .45 times 150 which equals 67.5 pounds per hour.
This
is equal to 11.25 gallons per hour if the fuel weighs 6.0 pounds per gallon.
If a guy leans his injected, flow optimized, blueprinted engine with great
fuel atomization (more complete burning of the fuel/air mixture) with
electronic ignition he might get down to either a lower burn per hour or
simply get more horsepower to the prop. An interesting note -- I always got
more range out of my Grumman Cheetah using auto gas because in some cases it
was as much as 8 or 9% heavier! More BTU's per pound, and engines don't
burn
gallons, they burn pounds!
I guarantee you these numbers are readily available to anyone using a decent
dyno with modern digital data acquisition. The engine used in the Voyager
was hitting some pretty low BSFC numbers because they used all the tricks --
high operating temps, low RPM, fuel injection, tuned exhaust, etc, etc. Our
Rocket engines with open exhaust (no mufflers), fuel injection, high CRs,
etc
should do pretty well except that we are all speed freaks and use a lot of
power playing around most of the time. When we get serious and do a X
country the numbers can be pretty good.
This was a simple, abbreviated version of horsepower estimation using fuel
flow. The bottom line is this: fuel consumption in gallons per hour times
the weight in pounds per gallon divided by the BSFC will give you how much
horsepower is being delivered to the prop. A dynamometer or torque
transducer is the only way to really know the actual HP number delivered to
the prop but the numbers from the factory for my Piper Twin Comanche with
fuel injected, open exhaust, 160 horsepower IO-320s ranges from .44 to .58
lbs/HP/hr. Get your calculators and have at it guys! JBB
p.s. I checked my calculations but if I made a mistake let me know.
"Boyd C. Braem" wrote:
>
> Ron--
>
> Engines, like minds, are a terrible thing. The dyno report from LyCon
> (temp-60F, 29.84"Hg) at 2750 rpm showed 323 hp (so I lied about the
> 325!) at??? 25.6 gal/hr??? (maybe they meant 35.6) and a MAP of 27.51".
> However, down here in Venice, FL (which is 19' msl), on a good high
> pressure day, I generally run about 2.5" below ambient air pressure at
> the start of the take-off run and after I get some speed up my ram-air
> port reduces this to about 1.5" below ambient (non-filtered air)--fuel
> flow from my VM-1000, which has proved to be remarkably accurate, is
> usually around 35-36 gal/hr at 2800 rpm at sea-level take-off. One of
> the mechs at LyCon told me to divide the gal/hr flow at sea level, full
> power, by 0.11 to get an estimate of hp. I'm not sure how to correct
> that calculation for your msl altitude.
>
> With a "wide-body" -6, I generally get about 240 mph indicated at 75%
> (24/24) and around 260 at 2800 rpm, down where the deer and the buffalo
> roam. Max rate of climb with solo pilot is 4,300 fpm. I really love
> this airplane. Gross aerobatic weight is 1650 and max gross weight is
> 1900. Ready to fly empty weight is 1230.
>
> Boyd.
> Super-6
>
> Ron C wrote:
>
> >
> >Whoa!!! Boyd!
> >
> >Chill out dude don't blow a base gasket. Remember " " "EXPERIMENTAL" "
> >" , get it?
> >
> >Hey, by the way, I noticed you list your Ly-Con 540 at 325 hp. Would you
> >mind listing whats been done to that bad boy and at what settings your
> >getting that much power? I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
> >been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been dynoed. At
> >full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ron Carter
> >HRII #49
> >335 ttsn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport Aviation |
Guys
This sentence, "For your information while I was running in the Sun 100
I
was burning 24 gallons per hour" should lead paragraph two of my posting.
It was clipped in the transmission, my apologies.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Martin
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport
Aviation
Mr. Baldwin is absolutely correct with his discussion of BSFC. I use this
concept whenever someone starts comparing their fuel burn per hour with my
rocket. Especially the "modern" engine guys. They will talk about how
efficient their engines are but when you break it down to lbs of fuel burned
per HP per hour it will be very close to my old lycoming. It always is
amazing to people how efficient the rocket is on a mpg basis compared with
other planes. This is no surprise if you use the BSFC concept and how clean
our airframes are.
gallons per hour. My engine is stock and I was flying at 800 feet above sea
level full throttle full rich. This yielded a speed of 208 knots or 240 mph.
I have about 500 hours of rocket time now in two planes, both of them with
stock engines. A very real and repeatable cross country number that I use
for flight planning is 175 knots at a fuel burn of 11.5 gph, wheels up to
wheels down. The power setting for this would be 22 to 23 inches and 2000 to
2100 rpm. I usually run 50 to 75 degrees rich of peak, yes I will run lean
of peak on occasion when I am high and using a low power setting. To run
properly lean of peak you need to have an engine monitor and you have to
know which cylinder peaks last. It takes a bit of fussing to get it right so
I usually do not bother
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jamesbaldwin(at)attglobal.net
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: RV-8 with O-540 in this months EAA Sport
Aviation
Rocketeers and others -
The questions and rules of thumb given here regarding horsepower and fuel
consumption indicate to me you guys might like to understand how this thing
really works.
ALL engines, turbine or reciprocating, are very simple converter devices.
They convert fuel -- in the recip case gasoline, at 6.0 pounds per gallon
(auto fuel varies but is about 6.5 lbs/gal average) -- into useful work with
some undesirable byproducts -- heat and noise. I'm sure a lot of you
understand most of the heat energy lost in a recip goes out the exhaust pipe
with a smaller amount lost to the air through the cooling fins which exits
the cowl. Mechanical friction takes some too. This waste costs a major
portion of the energy prevalent in a pound of gasoline but still yields us
enough to turn our props.
In almost all common aircraft engines currently used in light planes, the
term BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption) falls within the range of 0.375
(rare) to 0.55 and the units are 'pounds per hour per horsepower'. In other
words, it takes about (average number) 0.45 pounds of fuel to produce one
horsepower for one hour. Remember this is pounds. If it is gallons it
would
be about .075 gallons.
Multiply gallons per hour times the weight of fuel per gallon to get
consumption in pounds per hour. Then multiply by the number of horses you
are using -- i.e. 200 horsepower engine at 75% power is 150 HP. If the BSFC
is .45 (pretty average but good number these days) then the hourly
consumption of fuel is .45 times 150 which equals 67.5 pounds per hour.
This
is equal to 11.25 gallons per hour if the fuel weighs 6.0 pounds per gallon.
If a guy leans his injected, flow optimized, blueprinted engine with great
fuel atomization (more complete burning of the fuel/air mixture) with
electronic ignition he might get down to either a lower burn per hour or
simply get more horsepower to the prop. An interesting note -- I always got
more range out of my Grumman Cheetah using auto gas because in some cases it
was as much as 8 or 9% heavier! More BTU's per pound, and engines don't
burn
gallons, they burn pounds!
I guarantee you these numbers are readily available to anyone using a decent
dyno with modern digital data acquisition. The engine used in the Voyager
was hitting some pretty low BSFC numbers because they used all the tricks --
high operating temps, low RPM, fuel injection, tuned exhaust, etc, etc. Our
Rocket engines with open exhaust (no mufflers), fuel injection, high CRs,
etc
should do pretty well except that we are all speed freaks and use a lot of
power playing around most of the time. When we get serious and do a X
country the numbers can be pretty good.
This was a simple, abbreviated version of horsepower estimation using fuel
flow. The bottom line is this: fuel consumption in gallons per hour times
the weight in pounds per gallon divided by the BSFC will give you how much
horsepower is being delivered to the prop. A dynamometer or torque
transducer is the only way to really know the actual HP number delivered to
the prop but the numbers from the factory for my Piper Twin Comanche with
fuel injected, open exhaust, 160 horsepower IO-320s ranges from .44 to .58
lbs/HP/hr. Get your calculators and have at it guys! JBB
p.s. I checked my calculations but if I made a mistake let me know.
"Boyd C. Braem" wrote:
>
> Ron--
>
> Engines, like minds, are a terrible thing. The dyno report from LyCon
> (temp-60F, 29.84"Hg) at 2750 rpm showed 323 hp (so I lied about the
> 325!) at??? 25.6 gal/hr??? (maybe they meant 35.6) and a MAP of 27.51".
> However, down here in Venice, FL (which is 19' msl), on a good high
> pressure day, I generally run about 2.5" below ambient air pressure at
> the start of the take-off run and after I get some speed up my ram-air
> port reduces this to about 1.5" below ambient (non-filtered air)--fuel
> flow from my VM-1000, which has proved to be remarkably accurate, is
> usually around 35-36 gal/hr at 2800 rpm at sea-level take-off. One of
> the mechs at LyCon told me to divide the gal/hr flow at sea level, full
> power, by 0.11 to get an estimate of hp. I'm not sure how to correct
> that calculation for your msl altitude.
>
> With a "wide-body" -6, I generally get about 240 mph indicated at 75%
> (24/24) and around 260 at 2800 rpm, down where the deer and the buffalo
> roam. Max rate of climb with solo pilot is 4,300 fpm. I really love
> this airplane. Gross aerobatic weight is 1650 and max gross weight is
> 1900. Ready to fly empty weight is 1230.
>
> Boyd.
> Super-6
>
> Ron C wrote:
>
> >
> >Whoa!!! Boyd!
> >
> >Chill out dude don't blow a base gasket. Remember " " "EXPERIMENTAL" "
> >" , get it?
> >
> >Hey, by the way, I noticed you list your Ly-Con 540 at 325 hp. Would you
> >mind listing whats been done to that bad boy and at what settings your
> >getting that much power? I have a balanced 540 with 10 to ones and have
> >been wondering how much it actually puts out- it has not been dynoed. At
> >full blow im doing 250 at 5,500 msl
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ron Carter
> >HRII #49
> >335 ttsn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Rocket listers
I had my first flight in my F1 today. The plane is very nice, a good solid
performer. I will update the list later when I get some flight data.
Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Bowen" <rollnloop(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congrats Tom!!!
Let us know details asap!
Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations!! Tom
Jim Ayers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
>
>Rocket listers
>
> I had my first flight in my F1 today. The plane is very nice, a
> good solid
>performer. I will update the list later when I get some flight data.
>
>Tom Martin
CONGRATS TOM ON #3 I HOPE TO BE UP THERE AT THE END OF JUNE TO SEE IT.
HARRY PAINE
HR11A 266HP #43
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tfl4077" <tfl4077(at)blackfoot.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Tom,
Big Congrats!
Erick Doty
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Flying Tigers Rocket |
As I was taxiing out to go fly today at APV, I saw a very pretty Rocket taxi
to the fuel pumps. Anyway, by the time I had returned, they were already
back inside the plane and ready to TO. I didn't get to see a close up view
but from a distance, it looked great. Paint job was CAMO with the shark
mouth painted around the front of the cowl.
Sorry, I missed you. Several folks came up to me and told me about the how
nice your plane looked.
Take care,
Tom Gummo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner(at)wans.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Tigers Rocket |
Dear Tom,
I think I saw the same Rocket @ Albuquerque's Double Eagle-II Airport over
the Easter Weekend (in company of a RV-4). Dont know who owns either on
though! BUT both were Sharp & Fast looking AirCraft!
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Flying Tigers Rocket
>
> As I was taxiing out to go fly today at APV, I saw a very pretty Rocket
taxi
> to the fuel pumps. Anyway, by the time I had returned, they were already
> back inside the plane and ready to TO. I didn't get to see a close up
view
> but from a distance, it looked great. Paint job was CAMO with the shark
> mouth painted around the front of the cowl.
> Sorry, I missed you. Several folks came up to me and told me about the
how
> nice your plane looked.
> Take care,
> Tom Gummo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Tigers Rocket |
Sounds like Dean Berry's Rocket out of dvt phx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner(at)wans.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Flying Tigers Rocket
>
> Dear Tom,
> I think I saw the same Rocket @ Albuquerque's Double Eagle-II Airport over
> the Easter Weekend (in company of a RV-4). Dont know who owns either on
> though! BUT both were Sharp & Fast looking AirCraft!
> Konrad
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
> To: "Rocket List"
> Subject: Rocket-List: Flying Tigers Rocket
>
>
> >
> > As I was taxiing out to go fly today at APV, I saw a very pretty Rocket
> taxi
> > to the fuel pumps. Anyway, by the time I had returned, they were
already
> > back inside the plane and ready to TO. I didn't get to see a close up
> view
> > but from a distance, it looked great. Paint job was CAMO with the
shark
> > mouth painted around the front of the cowl.
> > Sorry, I missed you. Several folks came up to me and told me about the
> how
> > nice your plane looked.
> > Take care,
> > Tom Gummo
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Tigers Rocket |
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Probably Dean from DVT in Phoenix.....
On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 04:26 PM, Tom Gummo wrote:
>
> As I was taxiing out to go fly today at APV, I saw a very pretty
> Rocket taxi
> to the fuel pumps. Anyway, by the time I had returned, they were
> already
> back inside the plane and ready to TO. I didn't get to see a close up
> view
> but from a distance, it looked great. Paint job was CAMO with the
> shark
> mouth painted around the front of the cowl.
> Sorry, I missed you. Several folks came up to me and told me about
> the how
> nice your plane looked.
> Take care,
> Tom Gummo
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
HOOAH for Tom! Can't wait for the report. Congrats. Luv, TT back in Indy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Humor - Delete Now |
GEE I MISS THE DAYS WHEN GUYS TALKED ABOUT ENGINES ,ELECTRICAL IDEAS AND
SOLUTUONS, METAL PROBLEMS, BRAKES,RADIOS,METAL WORKING REAL PLANE TALK
NOW JUST JIBBER JABBER TO HEAR THEMSELVES
GUESS NO ONE IS REALLY BUILDING .....JUST USELESS CYBER JAWING
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
Hay Ross when is the fly date, after all it is all signed off.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Humor - Delete Now |
In a message dated 5/12/2003 5:00:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Fouga434(at)aol.com writes:
> GEE I MISS THE DAYS WHEN GUYS TALKED ABOUT ENGINES ,ELECTRICAL IDEAS AND
> SOLUTUONS, METAL PROBLEMS, BRAKES,RADIOS,METAL WORKING REAL PLANE TALK
> NOW JUST JIBBER JABBER TO HEAR THEMSELVES
> GUESS NO ONE IS REALLY BUILDING .....JUST USELESS CYBER JAWING
>
>
I think the guys out there are buiding quick build kits and they just do not
encounter those type of problems anymore.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)infionline.net> |
| Subject: | Humor - Delete Now |
Maybe the guys that are building are busy and not on line.
Ken
av8or(at)infionline.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
www.irisweb.net
www.mountainviewdogs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Humor - Delete Now
In a message dated 5/12/2003 5:00:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Fouga434(at)aol.com writes:
> GEE I MISS THE DAYS WHEN GUYS TALKED ABOUT ENGINES ,ELECTRICAL IDEAS AND
> SOLUTUONS, METAL PROBLEMS, BRAKES,RADIOS,METAL WORKING REAL PLANE TALK
> NOW JUST JIBBER JABBER TO HEAR THEMSELVES
> GUESS NO ONE IS REALLY BUILDING .....JUST USELESS CYBER JAWING
>
>
I think the guys out there are buiding quick build kits and they just do not
encounter those type of problems anymore.
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| Subject: | Re: Another new one |
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| Subject: | Re: Another new one |
Hay John,
We appreciate your interest. We'll keep you posted.
Ross Anderson N28BE
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| Subject: | guys that are building are busy and not on line |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP Maybe the guys that are building are busy and not on line. SNIP
Not so! I was up until 12:30 last night slobbering West epoxy all over my tail
fairing.
Monday night I prepped the tail for the horrible mess to come by covering all of
the exposed aluminum. The guy building an RV-7 in my shop will notice that
somebody stole a bunch of that protective plastic crap off of his wing panel.
I used it to cover my tail. Worked great, epoxy peels off of it fairly easily,
and the price was right. I did use a little black tape around the edges to
seal the plastic down.
Yesterday I brought home about 15# of modeling clay that I "borrowed" from the
art department (they're on summer break). I smooshed it all over the tail intersection
until it looked about right. Actually you don't really look at it so
much as you feel for lumps. Heck any good body shop guy could do this in no
time. For that matter, Ray Charles could too.
So, after I spent an hour molding the sticky stuff, it was time to start with the
really yucky stuff. No, I'll never win any awards for fiberglass work. The
local Glassygofast builder tells me that the ratio (by weight) of glass to resin
should be 2:1. My ratio is more like 1:1 or 1:2. Doh! I can't believe that
you can actually build an entire airplane out of that stuff.
After a quick double checking to make sure that everything was ready, the tail
is covered, and the glass is cut, it was time to glove up... double glove actually.
A few thousand pumps of the West cans later and VOILA (drum roll).... well,
I'll be dipped... a suitable looking fairing had appeared where before there
was only lumps of clay!
Now to trim it with the band saw (with the old blade)and proceed to the really
fun part... hours and hours of sanding and filling. ACK!
Now, who says nobody on this list builds?
Sorry to those who were hoping for a discussion about my tee-shirt, religion, primer,
or political views. LOL!!!
Vince Frazier
1946 Stinson, NC97535, FOR SALE (the world's nicest Stinson... really!)
F-1H Rocket, "Shangrila", N540VF reserved,
<http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html>
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| From: | "Phil Ayrton" <ayrton(at)ihug.com.au> |
| Subject: | plumbing of tip tanks |
I am building a 180hp RV-4 here in Australia and am currently converting the
standard fibreglass tips to tip tanks.
I am using John Johanson's plans but there's not much information about
plumbing methods and I think I need help.
I have a very simple approach to managing this fuel. I propose gravity feed
from tips to mains, actuated by a float shutoff valve in the outer baffle of
the main tanks. Mains and tips vented separately. Once the level in the
mains goes down and the float drops, the transfer commences. Conversely the
float valve ensures that no syphon into tip tanks occurs when parked on a
slope and when fuel is required in mains only. I propose another inspection
cover adjacent to the main tank to allow a spanner for connection, and at
the tip tank the connection is made just prior to final location. The
connection to the tip is a 90deg fitting with a finger strainer inside lying
along the bottom of the tank adjacent to the main spar area, which should be
the lowest point when in the flying attitude.
Now my question.......in the outer wing bay I am proposing a 30deg bend
forward in the alum fuel line, then after 2-3" a 30 deg bend back again, to
provide a "kink" to allow for expansion and contraction, and to ensure that
not too much strain is placed on either the fuel line or tank baffles. Does
this sound sensible or is there a better way. I dont want to reinvent the
wheel if I can help it.....thanks for any assistance.
Phil Ayrton
Wollongong, Australia
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| From: | Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com> |
Phil,
The advice on plumbing the tip tanks together "the tips are teed together which
gives
you, left, right, tips and off." is best not done that way.
This will, in effect, give you a "both" position when you feed from the tip tanks.
The problem is that you will get crossfeed, possible dumping overboard on the low
wing and probably start sucking air from one tip tank before the other is empty.
Ever notice that only airplanes without fuel pumps have a "both" position for the
fuel selector?
Bob Seibert
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Tip Tanks |
That is because when you use a pump you are sucking from the tank. If you
suck from TWO tanks and one is empty, you will suck air and not gas because
the air sucks easier than the gas even if the other tank is full. Remember
that tanks don't empty at the same rate. One will empty before the other
leaving you sucking air.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seibert Bob-r18643" <Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Tip Tanks
>
> Phil,
> The advice on plumbing the tip tanks together "the tips are teed together
which gives
> you, left, right, tips and off." is best not done that way.
> This will, in effect, give you a "both" position when you feed from the
tip tanks.
> The problem is that you will get crossfeed, possible dumping overboard on
the low wing and probably start sucking air from one tip tank before the
other is empty.
> Ever notice that only airplanes without fuel pumps have a "both" position
for the fuel selector?
> Bob Seibert
>
>
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| From: | "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner(at)wans.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Tip Tanks |
OR,
Put the recommended check valves on either side of the "T", so Fuel can only
feed into the "T", but not drain back to the tanks.
Select the Tips for Cruise ONLY, use fullest Main Tank for Take Off &
Landings.
If you manage to keep the Ball centered in flight, you should not have a
"low" wing.
Konrad
> Phil,
> The advice on plumbing the tip tanks together "the tips are teed together
which gives
> you, left, right, tips and off." is best not done that way.
> This will, in effect, give you a "both" position when you feed from the
tip tanks.
> The problem is that you will get crossfeed, possible dumping overboard on
the low wing and probably start sucking air from one tip tank before the
other is empty.
> Ever notice that only airplanes without fuel pumps have a "both" position
for the fuel selector?
> Bob Seibert
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I have found that I have a bit of a problem with my tail wheel unlocking
on me when I land thus causing some tense moments in a x wind. Does
anyone know of a locking tail wheel that could be used on take off and
landing or of a tail wheel that won't unlock on you when you have to get
fancy on the rudder pedals to keep it heading down the runway.
Thanks,
Ernest Hale
Harmon Rocket N540HB
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Ernest
I am not sure which tail wheel you have but if it is the Vans' then there
are some things you can do to help this. Often with use the little pin that
slides in and out gets a burr on it, or the hole that it goes into does.
Clean these things up with a small file and lubricate the assembly. This is
a part that needs to be taken apart and cleaned on a semi annual basis
depending on how much you fly. It could be that the grove in the upper
steering arm is getting worn. It can be replaced or you could purchase a
Terry Jantzi steering link which comes with a new steering arm.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Hale
Subject: Rocket-List: Tail Wheel
I have found that I have a bit of a problem with my tail wheel unlocking
on me when I land thus causing some tense moments in a x wind. Does
anyone know of a locking tail wheel that could be used on take off and
landing or of a tail wheel that won't unlock on you when you have to get
fancy on the rudder pedals to keep it heading down the runway.
Thanks,
Ernest Hale
Harmon Rocket N540HB
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| Subject: | RE: looking for HR spinner and bulkhead |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
You can post a note to the rocket list rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com or get
a carbon fiber one from Mark Frederick for around $450. I've got one of those
and they appear to be fine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rideandflyhigh(at)aol.com [mailto:Rideandflyhigh(at)aol.com]
Subject: looking for HR spinner and bulkhead
Hi Vince,
i am building a Harmon R. here in Montana and looking for a Spinner and Bulkhead
for my IO 540 c4b5 . is there a way to find a used spinner ( maybe from people
who went to a MT prop and spinner) or where i can post a add that i am looking
for one?
Or maybe you know someone?
Thanks for your help
Peter Vogt 406-5820263 or Rideandflyhigh(at)aol.com
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| From: | Christopher Norris <chrissnorris(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Three point landings |
Does anyone have some advice on the technique for
eliminating the bounce on three point landings? I've
been flying power-off landings, but always seem to
end up with the nose coming back up on me. Is a
little power the solution? In the citabria, I can
dial landings all day long, so looking for the magic I
don't have yet!
thanks,
chris
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| From: | "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Three point landings |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Norris
Subject: Rocket-List: Three point landings
Does anyone have some advice on the technique for
eliminating the bounce on three point landings? I've
been flying power-off landings, but always seem to
end up with the nose coming back up on me. Is a
little power the solution? In the citabria, I can
dial landings all day long, so looking for the magic I
don't have yet!
thanks,
chris
Hi, Chris,
Three-point landings should always follow one simple rule. The
airplane wing should stall at the exact same instant, OR VERY SLIGHTLY
BEFORE, the wheels touch the ground. If you don't have the stick all
the way back to achieve the angle that the wing will stall, you will
touch down prematurely, and with the extreme low wing of the Rocket, the
strong ground effect will probably cause a slight balloon away from the
touchdown, at which point the wing will stall, (further away from ground
effect), and Plop! You mentioned "always having the nose coming
up"---that tells me you aren't getting fully flared before touchdown.
Try three things. First, get the stick a little further back
just before touchdown. Don't let it "skid" onto the ground before the
stall occurs. The Citabria has a high wing, so the ground effect isn't
as strong, plus that plane quits flying pretty softly. Rarely fully
stalls on the touchdown, and little real ground effect. By getting the
stick further back just immediately before/at touchdown, you give the
wing a better chance to quit flying at the right time.
Second, are you using enough nose-up trim on final? If you are
holding the plane in the glide manually, rather than via trim, (very
easy to do in a Rocket, since they are so delightfully sensitive), you
will probably not be giving enough back-stick against that force at
touchdown flare. In my Cessna 180, (one of the most challenging planes
to PROPERLY land, I LOVE it!), without full up-trim, getting that last
inch of NECESSARY back pressure the split-second before touchdown is
rather difficult.
Third, the BEST three-point landing is one with a slight "Plop"
from about three inches, rather than the greased-on landing. Especially
in a very low-wing plane like the Rocket, if the plane isn't fully
stalled at/before the touchdown, there is a strong possibility that it
will "bounce off" of the ground effect, and then the landing probably
isn't just a "slight plop".
What I teach my taildragger students is that the actual
touchdown SHOULD BE A SLIGHT DISAPOINTMENT! The idea is to "keep the
plane at 2 inches off the runway", until "Shucks, it just plain won't
fly anymore, darn." (GRIN!)
The properly-done three-point is just about the prettiest
maneuver in flying. Keep at it until you are GOOD, and you can curl
your lip a little arrogantly towards anyone who drives their plane into
the ground in a wheel landing. There is a difference between airplane
drivers and pilots.
Lee Taylor
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| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings |
And if you really do it right, the tailwheel will grease the landing first
before the main wheels plop.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)idcomm.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Three point landings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Norris
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: Three point landings
>
>
>
> Does anyone have some advice on the technique for
> eliminating the bounce on three point landings? I've
> been flying power-off landings, but always seem to
> end up with the nose coming back up on me. Is a
> little power the solution? In the citabria, I can
> dial landings all day long, so looking for the magic I
> don't have yet!
>
> thanks,
> chris
>
> Hi, Chris,
>
> Three-point landings should always follow one simple rule. The
> airplane wing should stall at the exact same instant, OR VERY SLIGHTLY
> BEFORE, the wheels touch the ground. If you don't have the stick all
> the way back to achieve the angle that the wing will stall, you will
> touch down prematurely, and with the extreme low wing of the Rocket, the
> strong ground effect will probably cause a slight balloon away from the
> touchdown, at which point the wing will stall, (further away from ground
> effect), and Plop! You mentioned "always having the nose coming
> up"---that tells me you aren't getting fully flared before touchdown.
> Try three things. First, get the stick a little further back
> just before touchdown. Don't let it "skid" onto the ground before the
> stall occurs. The Citabria has a high wing, so the ground effect isn't
> as strong, plus that plane quits flying pretty softly. Rarely fully
> stalls on the touchdown, and little real ground effect. By getting the
> stick further back just immediately before/at touchdown, you give the
> wing a better chance to quit flying at the right time.
> Second, are you using enough nose-up trim on final? If you are
> holding the plane in the glide manually, rather than via trim, (very
> easy to do in a Rocket, since they are so delightfully sensitive), you
> will probably not be giving enough back-stick against that force at
> touchdown flare. In my Cessna 180, (one of the most challenging planes
> to PROPERLY land, I LOVE it!), without full up-trim, getting that last
> inch of NECESSARY back pressure the split-second before touchdown is
> rather difficult.
> Third, the BEST three-point landing is one with a slight "Plop"
> from about three inches, rather than the greased-on landing. Especially
> in a very low-wing plane like the Rocket, if the plane isn't fully
> stalled at/before the touchdown, there is a strong possibility that it
> will "bounce off" of the ground effect, and then the landing probably
> isn't just a "slight plop".
> What I teach my taildragger students is that the actual
> touchdown SHOULD BE A SLIGHT DISAPOINTMENT! The idea is to "keep the
> plane at 2 inches off the runway", until "Shucks, it just plain won't
> fly anymore, darn." (GRIN!)
>
> The properly-done three-point is just about the prettiest
> maneuver in flying. Keep at it until you are GOOD, and you can curl
> your lip a little arrogantly towards anyone who drives their plane into
> the ground in a wheel landing. There is a difference between airplane
> drivers and pilots.
>
> Lee Taylor
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Three point landings - another free opinion |
In a message dated 5/15/2003 2:46:23 PM Central Daylight Time, dmagaw(at)att.net
writes:
> And if you really do it right, the tailwheel will grease the landing first
> before the main wheels plop.
>
Agreed, and you might want to try carrying a bit of power to get a bit more
elevator effectiveness. Then, you'll find the extra power a liability with a
pax in the back...
Don't try genuine 'full stall' landings -- the wing stalls at ~20deg (re:
Terry Jantzi's testing), and the ship sets at ~12 deg. We're talking a
substantial PLOP if done this way.
Sounds like a practice issue -- keep practicing! You are likely not quite
aware of the 1' AGL visual cue yet, but it will come. Might try a few
landings from the BACK seat of the Citrabia? This might get your peripheral
vision working a bit better too.
Cheers
Mark
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Three point landings |
Three point landings
Good topic, with 500 hours I still do not have the absolute answers to
that
question. What I can tell you is that this plane has negligible ground
effect and the sink rate at the lower, almost stall speeds are, how do I
phrase this, impressive? Yes it is important that you have the stick all
the way back at the right time but the key is the flare, too early and you
will bounce, too late on the flare and, well, you will bounce even more. I
make better three point landings with a passenger. I am not ashamed of
wheel landings, I like them in this airplane and they can be very pretty and
a LOT easier on the gear than a blotched three point. But sometimes you need
to land in a shorter distance than a wheel landing permits so three pointers
are a necessary. If for no other reason, then three pointers will bring a
rocket guy down to earth, (pun intended), and humble him a little.
I am going to continue practising for as long as I own one of these things.
Tom Martin
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| From: | Christopher Norris <chrissnorris(at)yahoo.com> |
Ernest,
I had this problem with my rocket. The aluminum
steering arm began to wear and the pin pops out during
brisk movement of the rudder pedals. I replaced it
with a steel version. I think it was from Vans. Very
cheap replacement item compared to going off the
runway ... Dave Hallmark at Massey Aircraft in
Bakersfield can help you. - Chris
>
<ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
>
> I have found that I have a bit of a problem with my
tail wheel unlocking
> on me when I land thus causing some tense moments in
a x wind. Does
> anyone know of a locking tail wheel that could be
used on take off and
> landing or of a tail wheel that won't unlock on you
when you have to get
> fancy on the rudder pedals to keep it heading down
the runway.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ernest Hale
> Harmon Rocket N540HB
>
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
Mlfred--
You really have to think of your career. How many people on this list
know that you sorta hepped a little with the Exxon Tiger??? You Texas
boys keep it close to home.
But, anyway, I have to disagree with that tailwheel comment--while,
theoretically, you can drag the tailwheel down the runway, (and it makes
a nice picture for your friends) the bearings in Van's standard
tailwheel really don't like that. Van's standard bearings are what you
would find in some cart to move wharehouse furniture around. And,
besides, that's why they call those two other wheels the "main landing
gear".
Love, Boyd.
Mlfred(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 5/15/2003 2:46:23 PM Central Daylight Time, dmagaw(at)att.net
>writes:
>
>
>
>
>>And if you really do it right, the tailwheel will grease the landing first before
the main wheels plop.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Agreed, and you might want to try carrying a bit of power to get a bit more
>elevator effectiveness. Then, you'll find the extra power a liability with a
>pax in the back...
>
>Don't try genuine 'full stall' landings -- the wing stalls at ~20deg (re:
>Terry Jantzi's testing), and the ship sets at ~12 deg. We're talking a
>substantial PLOP if done this way.
>
>Sounds like a practice issue -- keep practicing! You are likely not quite
>aware of the 1' AGL visual cue yet, but it will come. Might try a few
>landings from the BACK seat of the Citrabia? This might get your peripheral
>vision working a bit better too.
>
>Cheers
>Mark
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Tip Tanks |
Yes, but let us not forget the FAR's state every fuel tank must have a vent,
sump, and an indicator gauge. I'd hate to have those extra tanks plumbed
into a nice $250 Anadair fuel valve and run out of fuel on a tip tank with no
gauge or sump. The insurance company would not loose any money that way,
only you would.... That is why everyone is plumbing them into the main
tanks.... this way the FAR's state only the main tank cannot overflow due to
fuel from another tank.
I'd like to hear everyone's comments on this at I just installed the Hotel
Whiskey Aviation wing tanks on my RV-4 and struggled to come up with
something better than they had for the plumbing.... I ended up improving on
their design by adding check valves between the 2 tanks to prevent fuel from
feeding back into the tip tanks from either leaving the tip tank valves open
during aerobatics or when on the ground with full main tanks and empty tip
tanks......
I really was ready to buy the 5 way valve so I could pull fuel from each tank
as I choose, but with no indicator and no sump I just didn't think it to be a
wise choice.
Comments?
-Mike Kraus
N223RV RV-4 60 some hours and dreading the painting process....
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Eyeball Swivel Vent |
Some Rocket guy had some very large all Aluminum ones for sale at SNF this
year. I met him at the beer tent but don't recall his name. He was asking
somewhere around $135 each for them but they were very nice.... Vents seem
overpriced to me, but compared to others they were well worth it. Maybe
someone on the rocket list knows who this was and has contact information?
If so, please cross post on the RV-List. Thanks
-Mike Kraus
N223RV
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| From: | Bob Japundza <bjapundza(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Eyeball Swivel Vent |
Hi Mike,
Contact Jeff Mears 317-745-0656, or 317-745-7551 (he was the guy at snf you're
referring to.) His vents are a direct replacement for those crappy black plastic
vents Vans sells. They are well worth the $$ for $135. The "mouth" of the
vent (or whatever you want to call it) is about 20% larger.
Regards, Bob
N223RV(at)aol.com wrote:
Some Rocket guy had some very large all Aluminum ones for sale at SNF this
year. I met him at the beer tent but don't recall his name. He was asking
somewhere around $135 each for them but they were very nice.... Vents seem
overpriced to me, but compared to others they were well worth it. Maybe
someone on the rocket list knows who this was and has contact information?
If so, please cross post on the RV-List. Thanks
-Mike Kraus
N223RV
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| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
In a message dated 5/15/2003 5:34:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
bcbraem(at)comcast.net writes:
> Mlfred--
>
> You really have to think of your career. How many people on this list
> know that you sorta hepped a little with the Exxon Tiger??? You Texas
> boys keep it close to home.
>
> But, anyway, I have to disagree with that tailwheel comment--while,
> theoretically, you can drag the tailwheel down the runway, (and it makes
> a nice picture for your friends) the bearings in Van's standard
> tailwheel really don't like that.
Hey Boyd:
Thanx for the plug re: the Flyin' Tiger. I figure Bruce might start telling
folks at SOME point who actually built the thing! That was a fun project,
with true napkin quality drawings!
As for the wheel bearings, the compnay that makes the dang things sells a kit
to install sealed bearings (yep, real bearings) for about $15, if memory
serves. If there is enough interest, I'll stock a few, and sell 'em to the
needy. Sure does make things quieter, and neater!
And, get some of those Michelin Air-Stop tubes too! You'll air your tires 2x
a year at most.
Cheers
Mark
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| From: | Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
I expected a bunch more comments on the three-point landings topic. I
guess I'm not afraid to show my ignorance so I'll comment.
I only have about 250 hours of tail wheel time so I am definiely a low
timer. While the beauty of a true three-point landing can't be
debated, neither can the effect of a botched one on your gear and
engine mount. Mark is right. To do a true three-pointer, you have to
drag the tailwheel in. And all that bouncing on the mains can't help
out the engine mount and hardware.
To save the wear and tear on my RV, I adopted a "modified Three-point"
landing, which is what I believe most Rv'ers use. Technically, it is a
tail wheel low wheel landing. If you search the RV-List archive,
you'll find tons of comments.
Ego aside, I don't mind admitting that I can't perform a true three-
pointer on a regular basis. On the other hand, I can grease the wheel
landing every time and it is much easier on my engine mount. If I have
to stop it in a short distance, I can. I just don't see the point when
there is over 3,000' of asphalt in front of me.
Randy
F1 Rocket
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
Randy--
The problem is that the geometry of the wings and the airfoil and blah,
blah, blah (anfle-of-attack)--you can't really do a "true" fully stalled
landing (3-pointer) in a RV/Rocket. It's better in the Rocket with the
taller titanium gear but still just not quite enough--still just misses
that little edge of the envelope. So, basically, you have to cheat. I
mean, you don't know how much grief I got from my fellow pilots when I
started to try different landings and even to switch from one to the
other on the landings--man, I bounced all over the place and the guys
used to come out and line up alongside the runway when I was doing my
touch-n-goes (or, flop-and-bangs) and they would sit there with their
thumbs up or down and one guy even brought a number board (1-10)..
Don't worry--that nice, fat wing on the RV/Rocket gives you a very big
sink rate when you're slow and you have to use power, sometimes, where
you wouldn't have to in a similar spam-can machine. Ya just gotta
experiment a little. Practice at altitude with the nose really high,
stay on your rudder (don't use ailerons when your slow), get slow and
then just use the throttle to go up and down, staying just a hair above
stall.
Boyd
RV-Super 6
Randy Pflanzer wrote:
>
>I expected a bunch more comments on the three-point landings topic. I
>guess I'm not afraid to show my ignorance so I'll comment.
>
>I only have about 250 hours of tail wheel time so I am definiely a low
>timer. While the beauty of a true three-point landing can't be
>debated, neither can the effect of a botched one on your gear and
>engine mount. Mark is right. To do a true three-pointer, you have to
>drag the tailwheel in. And all that bouncing on the mains can't help
>out the engine mount and hardware.
>
>To save the wear and tear on my RV, I adopted a "modified Three-point"
>landing, which is what I believe most Rv'ers use. Technically, it is a
>tail wheel low wheel landing. If you search the RV-List archive,
>you'll find tons of comments.
>
>Ego aside, I don't mind admitting that I can't perform a true three-
>pointer on a regular basis. On the other hand, I can grease the wheel
>landing every time and it is much easier on my engine mount. If I have
>to stop it in a short distance, I can. I just don't see the point when
>there is over 3,000' of asphalt in front of me.
>
>Randy
>F1 Rocket
>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/
>
>
>
>
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| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings |
In a message dated 5/15/2003 9:57:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
chrissnorris(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> Does anyone have some advice on the technique for
> eliminating the bounce on three point landings? I've
> been flying power-off landings, but always seem to
> end up with the nose coming back up on me. Is a
> little power the solution? In the citabria, I can
> dial landings all day long, so looking for the magic I
> don't have yet!
>
> thanks,
> chris
>
>
The technique for eliminating the bounce on three point landings?
I believe it is good instruction and practice....practice and more practice.
Even the most seasond pilots bounce, just not as high as others.
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
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| From: | "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Three point landings - update from Lee Taylor |
This is fun! Hope you guys know that you have touched on one of
my favorite career topics, landings. The only consistent point in
flying where you are really REQUIRED to demonstrate your piloting
ability.
To go a little further in the landings discussion, let's review
exactly what happens in a full three-point landing.
First, very rarely does a plane COMPLETELY STALL on an initial
touchdown. Those of you that have pointed out that the stall angle is
higher than the ground sitting angle are correct. What we arrive at in
a full three-point attitude landing is an AIRSPEED at which the plane
will no longer sustain the LIFT to keep the plane airborne, hopefully
1-2" above the ground. Since this is usually a PARTIAL STALL of part of
the wing, (usually starting at the tips working inward), this PARTIAL
loss of lift is dramatic enough to cause a "good, solid arrival" if not
properly timed.
This can be easily felt in most taildragger planes because the
initial rollout is frankly a little flaky, until enough speed is bled
off that the wing actually does fully stall. In a plane like the
Citabria or my Cessna 180, there is a definite point in the rollout when
the plane actually settles its weight fully onto the gear after
touchdown. In a low-wing plane like the Rocket, this bleed-off can be
even more impressive, because the ground effect on a high-speed rollout
is very highly pronounced.
O-K, how can the landing be fine-tuned? First off, lets assume
for now that we are only going to talk about the full three-point
landing. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING to take into consideration is
AIRSPEED CONTROL. Do you have, and tightly control, the EXACT airspeed
that is proper for your plane and landing situation? HOW DO YOU KNOW
what is proper? Did someone tell you, or are you analyzing exactly how
your plane performs to arrive at the proper airspeed FOR YOUR PLANE?
(and load, and CG condition, and wind conditions, and a dozen other
affecting considerations).
This really is fairly simple. If your landings tend to be
flare-and-plop arrivals, with very little float in the flare, you are
probably a little too slow on very short final. If you tend to
flare-and-float, then that final speed is a little too high. Neither is
a good thing! The slower than desired speed gives you very little
leeway in adjusting your flare, sink rates tend to be high, (which urges
you to pull the nose up a little higher to "slow the sink", DEFINITE
OUCH!), there is very little leeway to fine-tune the flare, and it takes
very little judgment mistake to turn a slow approach into a disaster.
The higher than desired speed sets you up for ballooning tendencies
which will get you into situations where you have lost too much speed,
TOO HIGH! And OUCH! Is the proper statement when that happens.
Remember that the landing is a fine demonstration (or,
sometimes, an embarrassing demonstration!), of Aircraft Inertial Energy
Control. Get too slow, the energy is too low to be able to effect a
good landing. Too fast, and there is TOO MUCH energy. You are trying
to arrive at that perfect balance that will give you exactly the right
amount of energy/control to allow the perfect landing.
In high-performance planes like the Rocket, control of that
energy is much more critical than most planes. That's why they are more
fun.
The point has been made that other types of landings can be made
more consistently in a smoother manner. Yes, that is true, but my point
is that the full three-point landing is the most demanding of piloting
ability, the most efficient in making the flying/rolling transition, and
therefore is the one that is the most fun. It is the one that I practice
most commonly. I KNOW I can do the other kinds satisfactorily!
Having said that, I also want to make the strong point that
THERE IS NO "BEST" WAY to make a landing. You need to know ALL the
various techniques, be PROFICIENT in all the techniques, and USE THE ONE
THAT IS BEST for your immediate needs. Only by knowing and practicing
all the techniques are you fully familiar with your plane and its/your
abilities. Once you are proficient in ALL of the techniques, spend
a lot of time sorting out exactly what works best for you, and you are
most comfortable with, and develop your own technique, unique to you and
your plane, and KNOW that you can use the other techniques whenever you
want, then you are a pilot.
Most importantly, whenever you "bobble" something, SIT DOWN AND
ANALYZE OUT exactly WHAT, HOW and WHY it happened. The same analytical
thinking should follow something that worked out well. "WHY did it
happen that way?" Only by thoroughly understanding the fine details of
why something happens can you arrive at comprehension. Comprehension is
what gives you control. If you are just "rote flying" the way that
someone told you was the "right way", then you really don't understand
what you are doing. And lack of understanding is the only really
dangerous thing in flying.
Lee Taylor
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| From: | "Larry E. James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
First, it was neat this morning to see 17 messages in the Rocket List ....
and all concerning airplanes. Whoooo hoooo !!
I have a question probably best answered with input from several Rocket
drivers; regarding CG. I am building an HR2 with Mark's firewall and gear
legs. Standard HR2 configurations establish a tailwheel weight in the 20#
to 30# range. Standard F1 configurations establish a tailwheel weight in
the 50# to 60# range (please correct me here if I'm incorrect on either
count :-). I would like to end up with a tailwheel weight of 30# to 35#
with the following configuration: Lycon IO-540, MT 3-blade prop (at least
I'm pretty sure), and FI gear geometry (Mark's firewall and gear legs and an
Indy engine mount). The primary item up for moving is the battery, and this
is my reason for asking at this time. My rough thumb-in-the-air says that I
might be able to put the battery up on the firewall with this combination
and wind up with my tailwheel weight at the targeted 30#. Any helpful
advice is greatly appreciated.
Larry E. James (Bellevue, WA HR2, fuselage)
New Concepts Prototyping and Production
phone 206 633 3111
fax 206 633 3114
larry(at)ncproto.com
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| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
> To save the wear and tear on my RV, I adopted a "modified Three-point"
> landing, which is what I believe most Rv'ers use. Technically, it is a
> tail wheel low wheel landing. If you search the RV-List archive,
> you'll find tons of comments.
After trying every technique I could think of this is EXACTLY what my RV-8
likes best, unless I have my 245 lb buddy in the back seat, and in that case
it's more of a true 3-pointer. But in every other loading scenario there's
no question that the tail-low wheel landing just plain works best and is
what the aircraft seems to naturally want to do. Why fight it, it seems to
work quite well?
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 310 hrs.
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
> As for the wheel bearings, the compnay that makes the dang things sells a
kit
> to install sealed bearings (yep, real bearings) for about $15, if memory
> serves. If there is enough interest, I'll stock a few, and sell 'em to the
> needy. Sure does make things quieter, and neater!
Mark, I'll take a set, and could sell at least a half dozen more to local
builders.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 310 hrs.
www.rv-8.com
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The RV-4 plans show the battery behind the firewall on the floor in the
center. You can mount the Master Relay, Starter Relay and Alternator
Regulator there, also.
Assuming that you keep access to these area open for later maintenance.
I expect to mount all of the above items next to the elevator bellcrank on my
HR2. (Very difficult mainteneance/battery replacement.) But will be
monitoring the empty CG for the final location.
Jim Ayers
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Larry
Without doing the math I would not recommend moving the battery forward.
When you compare tail weights of an F1 and a HRII you are comparing two
different aircraft due to the position of the main gear. However the flight
CofG is more or less the same and they tend to be nose heavy in flight.
When you do a weight and balance the final determination is the centre of
gravity and that is what you have to be concerned with.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry E.
James
Subject: Rocket-List: CG
First, it was neat this morning to see 17 messages in the Rocket List ....
and all concerning airplanes. Whoooo hoooo !!
I have a question probably best answered with input from several Rocket
drivers; regarding CG. I am building an HR2 with Mark's firewall and gear
legs. Standard HR2 configurations establish a tailwheel weight in the 20#
to 30# range. Standard F1 configurations establish a tailwheel weight in
the 50# to 60# range (please correct me here if I'm incorrect on either
count :-). I would like to end up with a tailwheel weight of 30# to 35#
with the following configuration: Lycon IO-540, MT 3-blade prop (at least
I'm pretty sure), and FI gear geometry (Mark's firewall and gear legs and an
Indy engine mount). The primary item up for moving is the battery, and this
is my reason for asking at this time. My rough thumb-in-the-air says that I
might be able to put the battery up on the firewall with this combination
and wind up with my tailwheel weight at the targeted 30#. Any helpful
advice is greatly appreciated.
Larry E. James (Bellevue, WA HR2, fuselage)
New Concepts Prototyping and Production
phone 206 633 3111
fax 206 633 3114
larry(at)ncproto.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S |
First question: NO ! ! !
We, Gummibear and I have mounted a spinner three times. The first time was
during construction. The second was the same spinner and plate after it had
made contact with the cowl. Repaired same and re-installed. Backing plate
was cracked and the spinner "wobbled". Bought the second spinner/backing
plate from Mark (F-1 fame). Much better plate and spinner than the first
one. "HIGHLY" recommend this one. (This one had a forward bulkhead support
that is a tight fit on the prop hub nose piece).
In all the cases we put a pointer soildly mounted to almost touch the
pointed end of the spinner. With switch off (key removed) we pulled the top
plugs and slowly rotated the engine by hand. Centered spinner on pointer
(adjusted pointer and spinner several times) until the engine was turned and
the pointer and the spinner points were in line. Held the spinner on the
backing place with cleko clamps until perfect alignment obtained then
drilled holes for regular cleko's.
The other method to align spinner and not turn the engine would be to
somehow suspend the aircraft and rotate the whole thing using the same fix
pointer. 8+) What's the problem with rotating the engine ? We pulled the
plugs to eliminate the airframe "shake" against compression. KABONG
(GBA) HRII Flying. Please Archive, this might help someone in the future.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DWENSING(at)aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S
> --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING(at)aol.com
>
> When installing the spinner on a Hartzell C/S model HC-C2YK-1BF ......Is
it
> safe to assume that when the spinner is firmly seated against the front
> bulkhead and aligned with the back plate that the nose of the spinner is
> concentric with the crankshaft? I do not want to rotate the engine to
check
> this out.
> Dale Ensing
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S |
RE: Spinner alignment.
John's comments are right on, in all details. The only change I
would make is to make the pointer a dial indicator, it is easier to
adjust things that way. Oh, by the way, an obvious consideration is
that the pointer/dial indicator is right at the forward tip of the
spinner. Don't try to make the measurement halfway back on the spinner,
for instance.
The only stipulation to make about rotating the engine is to
rotate it IN NORMAL ROTATION DIRECTION ONLY. This is important because,
normally, you have a vane-type vacuum pump mounted. The vanes in these
pumps are designed to operate IN THE NORMAL DIRECTION ONLY, they are
rather brittle carbon, and forcing them to rotate in the wrong direction
is a great way to jam and destroy them. Other accessory items might also
require proper direction rotation only also.
You HAVE to rotate the engine in order to find an exact neutral
position for the spinner, so that it won't wobble. I have never seen
any other method that will work. If you use either the pointer, or the
dial indicator, and adjust the spinner until either method shows no
wobble, and are then careful to do the rest of the mounting work as John
described, you are almost guaranteed a beautiful, wobble-free spinner.
Any other method is not precise enough, and a wobbling spinner is both
an eyesore, a safety concern, and a demonstration for all to see every
time the engine runs that you were careless and/or didn't know what you
were doing when you did it.
Lee Taylor
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| From: | Ron Patterson <scc_ron(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Guy's!
I just moved my RV-4 from the Garage to the Hayward Airport to complete the engine
and avionics and get this baby in the air. Anyone with a lead on an IO-320
or 360 / and any 2-1/4 inch instruments would be appreciated.
Ron Patterson N8ZD (reserved)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | CORRECTION: my comments about 3-point landings |
In my previous comments about three-point landings, I mentioned
that in a slow-deceleration stall such as in the flare, the stall begins
at the tip, and the gradual loss of lift is what causes the plane to
settle to the runway.
Don't know where my head was on that statement, but it was
dramatically wrong in one area. The loss of lift, "stall", does NOT
originate at the tips, it almost invariably starts at the WING ROOT, not
the tips. Any other stall configuration would mean that you would have
a nasty tip drop when the stall started.
Much egg on face!
One other comment by a highly knowledgeable individual brought
up the very technically correct point that there are virtually no modern
planes that actually stall on landings, simply because they never
achieve the airflow angle of attack on landing that will actually
generate a stall. Stall being correctly described as the point at which
the airflow actually separates from the airfoil. This is completely
true- - what actually happens is that the airspeed degenerates to the
point that there is not sufficient LIFT being generated to keep the
plane airborne, and it descends because of this until it is stopped by
the ground. Which is HOPEFULLY just an inch or two away. An actual
stall virtually never occurs on landings.
This is a totally correct statement based on actual physics--it
is just a little easier to "simplify" the concept by saying that the
plane stalls on landing. If you are to FULLY understand what goes on
during a landing, then a complete understanding of stall, which can ONLY
occur when stall angle of attack is exceeded, is necessary. This,
however, gets pretty involved, and the basic concept of the plane "no
longer being able to fly" because it is no longer able to supply
sufficient lift on touchdown is the basic knowledge needed. It isn't
technically correct, but we do commonly refer to the
loss-of-adequate-lift-to-maintain-flight on landings, as a landing
stall.
Lee Taylor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
Larry--
Two different schools of thought. John Harmon likes light tailwheels
and Mark Fredericks like heavier tailwheels. IIRC, John has stated in
previous emails that his personal plane had a tailwheel weight of 12-15#
(airframe horizontal) and has a gabillion hrs on the original bearings.
Mark has indicated that he prefers the heavier tailwheel weight to
reduce the chances of the tail coming up and the prop going down into
the pavement--could be largely an insurance concern. The tailwheel on
the Super 6 weighs 45# horizontal, but 95# in the 3-point stance. 95%
of the time I do wheels landings and the tailwheel doesn't come down
until the last moment--and yes I do get "attaboys" from the biz jet
pilots when I really slick one on! My battery is waaayyy in the back
and my cg range is actually broader than the standard -6. However, the
bearings on the tailwheel (after 500 hrs) are now louder than my
Falcon/Wultrad Turn Coordinator.
Probably the best way to start is to set up a W&B spreasheet and figure
out the station numbers for your fuselage and then just sit back and
play around with a bunch of numbers
Boyd.
Larry E. James wrote:
>
>First, it was neat this morning to see 17 messages in the Rocket List ....
>and all concerning airplanes. Whoooo hoooo !!
>
>I have a question probably best answered with input from several Rocket
>drivers; regarding CG. I am building an HR2 with Mark's firewall and gear
>legs. Standard HR2 configurations establish a tailwheel weight in the 20#
>to 30# range. Standard F1 configurations establish a tailwheel weight in
>the 50# to 60# range (please correct me here if I'm incorrect on either
>count :-). I would like to end up with a tailwheel weight of 30# to 35#
>with the following configuration: Lycon IO-540, MT 3-blade prop (at least
>I'm pretty sure), and FI gear geometry (Mark's firewall and gear legs and an
>Indy engine mount). The primary item up for moving is the battery, and this
>is my reason for asking at this time. My rough thumb-in-the-air says that I
>might be able to put the battery up on the firewall with this combination
>and wind up with my tailwheel weight at the targeted 30#. Any helpful
>advice is greatly appreciated.
>
>Larry E. James (Bellevue, WA HR2, fuselage)
>New Concepts Prototyping and Production
>phone 206 633 3111
>fax 206 633 3114
>larry(at)ncproto.com
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Huft" <skywagon(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - another free opinion |
Well, first I think we are agreeing that a 3 point landing and a full stall
landing are not usually the same thing, even though they are often spoken of
that way.
A few years ago, I was experimenting with different size tires on my C-180.
I wanted to go fast in the winter, so I put 6.00x6 on it (smallest
certified), and I wanted to camp at backcountry strips in Idaho in the
summer, so I put 8.50x6 on. The difference in attitude on the ground is
substantial, and the difference in the way it behaved in a 3 point landing
was large too. With the small tires, after the landing the plane would just
skitter down the runway, with little weight on the tires, because the wings
were still producing a fair amount of lift. With the larger tires, after a 3
pt. landing, it would calmly roll out; the wings were not producing much
lift at the higher angle of attack.
I would say my RV-8 behaves more like the 180 with small tires... right
after touchdown after a 3 pt landing the angle of attack is low enough that
the wings are still producing some lift. I also feel that the tailwheel
steering is over-sensitive at this point (maybe due to 1600 hours in
180/185s), so I don''t do it much.
As far as always landing the same way, I guess that is OK if you always have
the same conditions. Here in the Colorado mountains, conditions vary widely,
calling for different landing techniques. When we have a crosswind, it is
never steady, but always gusty and swirlly due to terrain, and I am more
comfortable with a wheel landing, and if it is real windy, half flaps and a
few extra knots. Even a nice, down the runway head wind is so gusty that to
approach stall speed in the air is foolish, so a wheel landing, with the
usual addition of 1/2 the gust speed is best. A couple of inches of snow on
the runway calls for 3-point, with power on and ready for more. A nice calm
morning and the tail-low wheely is nice.
Just one more opinion, fly safe y'all.
John Huft
Pagosa Springs, CO
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| From: | JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com |
Guys, I am collecting engine bits... looking at old list-mail regarding the
Lycoming crankbolt AD. I need the kit for that... I see a 6-month old
posting from Jim Stone noting a supplier, A.E.R.O. Aviation with kit for $48.
Can't find the company, anyone have the ph. number or another supplier
similar price ?
Thanks, John Meyers Golden, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: kabong? |
OK, OK, one more time. See very short verison below. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg(at)snowcrest.net>
Subject: RV-List: kabong?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
>
> What or who is Kabong???? Or is this just some sort of computer geek code
:)??? Just curious...Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: John Starn
Subject: Re: KABONG
No relation to Bong. Kabong is a handle shortened from El Kabong of cartoon
fame. He "kabongs" bad guys with a guitar when I was a patrol Sgt on Fontana
PD and broke the stocks of two 12 ga shotguns by using the shotgun more like
a baton. Went to a City Halloween party dress all in western black complete
with guns. Someone asked if I were Quicks Draw McGraw, one of my patrolman
chimed with "Na, he's El Kabong" (Quicks Draw McGraws masked alter ego) and
it stuck. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom
To: jhstarn(at)earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:15 AM
Subject: KABONG
Hey John!
I'm new here. What's the KABONG mean? Are you a relative of DickBONG or
an Aussie?
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| From: | Jones15183(at)aol.com |
john, you can get this crankshaft gear bolt kit direct from Lycoming. Just
contactLycoming service center.. The proper part # is 05K19987,
nomenclature is Kit- C"Shaft Gear. Be sure that the gaskets are included.
If you have the engine out of plane and you don't have replace sump gasket
you can do the job in about 2 hours....billly waters
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Morgan Hetrick" <morgan(at)heifercreek.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Three point landings - update from Lee Taylor |
Angle of attack indicator?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)idcomm.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Three point landings - update from Lee Taylor
>
>
> This is fun! Hope you guys know that you have touched on one of
> my favorite career topics, landings. The only consistent point in
> flying where you are really REQUIRED to demonstrate your piloting
> ability.
>
> To go a little further in the landings discussion, let's review
> exactly what happens in a full three-point landing.
> First, very rarely does a plane COMPLETELY STALL on an initial
> touchdown. Those of you that have pointed out that the stall angle is
> higher than the ground sitting angle are correct. What we arrive at in
> a full three-point attitude landing is an AIRSPEED at which the plane
> will no longer sustain the LIFT to keep the plane airborne, hopefully
> 1-2" above the ground. Since this is usually a PARTIAL STALL of part of
> the wing, (usually starting at the tips working inward), this PARTIAL
> loss of lift is dramatic enough to cause a "good, solid arrival" if not
> properly timed.
> This can be easily felt in most taildragger planes because the
> initial rollout is frankly a little flaky, until enough speed is bled
> off that the wing actually does fully stall. In a plane like the
> Citabria or my Cessna 180, there is a definite point in the rollout when
> the plane actually settles its weight fully onto the gear after
> touchdown. In a low-wing plane like the Rocket, this bleed-off can be
> even more impressive, because the ground effect on a high-speed rollout
> is very highly pronounced.
>
> O-K, how can the landing be fine-tuned? First off, lets assume
> for now that we are only going to talk about the full three-point
> landing. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING to take into consideration is
> AIRSPEED CONTROL. Do you have, and tightly control, the EXACT airspeed
> that is proper for your plane and landing situation? HOW DO YOU KNOW
> what is proper? Did someone tell you, or are you analyzing exactly how
> your plane performs to arrive at the proper airspeed FOR YOUR PLANE?
> (and load, and CG condition, and wind conditions, and a dozen other
> affecting considerations).
> This really is fairly simple. If your landings tend to be
> flare-and-plop arrivals, with very little float in the flare, you are
> probably a little too slow on very short final. If you tend to
> flare-and-float, then that final speed is a little too high. Neither is
> a good thing! The slower than desired speed gives you very little
> leeway in adjusting your flare, sink rates tend to be high, (which urges
> you to pull the nose up a little higher to "slow the sink", DEFINITE
> OUCH!), there is very little leeway to fine-tune the flare, and it takes
> very little judgment mistake to turn a slow approach into a disaster.
> The higher than desired speed sets you up for ballooning tendencies
> which will get you into situations where you have lost too much speed,
> TOO HIGH! And OUCH! Is the proper statement when that happens.
> Remember that the landing is a fine demonstration (or,
> sometimes, an embarrassing demonstration!), of Aircraft Inertial Energy
> Control. Get too slow, the energy is too low to be able to effect a
> good landing. Too fast, and there is TOO MUCH energy. You are trying
> to arrive at that perfect balance that will give you exactly the right
> amount of energy/control to allow the perfect landing.
> In high-performance planes like the Rocket, control of that
> energy is much more critical than most planes. That's why they are more
> fun.
>
> The point has been made that other types of landings can be made
> more consistently in a smoother manner. Yes, that is true, but my point
> is that the full three-point landing is the most demanding of piloting
> ability, the most efficient in making the flying/rolling transition, and
> therefore is the one that is the most fun. It is the one that I practice
> most commonly. I KNOW I can do the other kinds satisfactorily!
>
> Having said that, I also want to make the strong point that
> THERE IS NO "BEST" WAY to make a landing. You need to know ALL the
> various techniques, be PROFICIENT in all the techniques, and USE THE ONE
> THAT IS BEST for your immediate needs. Only by knowing and practicing
> all the techniques are you fully familiar with your plane and its/your
> abilities. Once you are proficient in ALL of the techniques,
spend
> a lot of time sorting out exactly what works best for you, and you are
> most comfortable with, and develop your own technique, unique to you and
> your plane, and KNOW that you can use the other techniques whenever you
> want, then you are a pilot.
> Most importantly, whenever you "bobble" something, SIT DOWN AND
> ANALYZE OUT exactly WHAT, HOW and WHY it happened. The same analytical
> thinking should follow something that worked out well. "WHY did it
> happen that way?" Only by thoroughly understanding the fine details of
> why something happens can you arrive at comprehension. Comprehension is
> what gives you control. If you are just "rote flying" the way that
> someone told you was the "right way", then you really don't understand
> what you are doing. And lack of understanding is the only really
> dangerous thing in flying.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
>
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| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Three point landings |
>
>
> Three point landings
> Good topic, with 500 hours I still do not have the absolute
> answers to that
>question. What I can tell you is that this plane has negligible ground
>effect and the sink rate at the lower, almost stall speeds are, how do I
>phrase this, impressive?
As in why the heck did I land from 10 feet high?? Why I will never attempt
a 3 wheeler at hi density altitudes (6,000) & up
I think one of the big problem nobody addressed is how much the elevator is
blanked out if you attempt a three wheeler without power!!!!!!! yikes! good
thing that titanium absorbs a lot of shock!!
Tom ya know its interesting I had a t-18 for 12 years and could 80 - 90% of
the time do a real good 3 pointer but then I flew a friends with a
different gear set up and engine and couldn't do it at all!!
>Yes it is important that you have the stick all
>the way back at the right time but the key is the flare, too early and you
>will bounce, too late on the flare and, well, you will bounce even more. I
>make better three point landings with a passenger. I am not ashamed of
>wheel landings, I like them in this airplane and they can be very pretty and
>a LOT easier on the gear than a blotched three point. But sometimes you need
>to land in a shorter distance than a wheel landing permits so three pointers
>are a necessary. If for no other reason, then three pointers will bring a
>rocket guy down to earth, (pun intended), and humble him a little.
> I am going to continue practising for as long as I own one of
> these things.
>
>Tom Martin
>
>
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| From: | "Blair" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Additional parts to build HR2? |
I'm currently most of the way through an F1 tail kit and have ordered RV4
fuse & wing kit and HR2 kit.
Was wondering if anyone has a list of other parts, that aren't in above
kits, that I should start collecting and any advice on specific items. (EG
wheels, brakes, fairings, throttles, canopy material etc)
Cheers
Tony Blair
Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Three point landings
>
> >
> >
> > Three point landings
> > Good topic, with 500 hours I still do not have the absolute
> > answers to that
> >question. What I can tell you is that this plane has negligible ground
> >effect and the sink rate at the lower, almost stall speeds are, how do I
> >phrase this, impressive?
>
> As in why the heck did I land from 10 feet high?? Why I will never attempt
> a 3 wheeler at hi density altitudes (6,000) & up
>
> I think one of the big problem nobody addressed is how much the elevator
is
> blanked out if you attempt a three wheeler without power!!!!!!! yikes!
good
> thing that titanium absorbs a lot of shock!!
>
> Tom ya know its interesting I had a t-18 for 12 years and could 80 - 90%
of
> the time do a real good 3 pointer but then I flew a friends with a
> different gear set up and engine and couldn't do it at all!!
>
>
> >Yes it is important that you have the stick all
> >the way back at the right time but the key is the flare, too early and
you
> >will bounce, too late on the flare and, well, you will bounce even more.
I
> >make better three point landings with a passenger. I am not ashamed of
> >wheel landings, I like them in this airplane and they can be very pretty
and
> >a LOT easier on the gear than a blotched three point. But sometimes you
need
> >to land in a shorter distance than a wheel landing permits so three
pointers
> >are a necessary. If for no other reason, then three pointers will bring a
> >rocket guy down to earth, (pun intended), and humble him a little.
> > I am going to continue practising for as long as I own one of
> > these things.
> >
> >Tom Martin
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Additional parts to build HR2? |
You might want to spend a lot of time visiting my friend, Vince
Frazier's web site. He is also building a HR2 and using F1 Rocket
parts to help. Vince is extremely helpful and I'm sure he wouldn't
mind answering a question or two along the way. His site is:
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
Randy
F1 Rocket
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/
----- Original Message -----
From: Blair <blairclan(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Monday, May 19, 2003 2:29 am
Subject: Rocket-List: Additional parts to build HR2?
>
>
> I'm currently most of the way through an F1 tail kit and have
> ordered RV4
> fuse & wing kit and HR2 kit.
>
> Was wondering if anyone has a list of other parts, that aren't in
> abovekits, that I should start collecting and any advice on
> specific items. (EG
> wheels, brakes, fairings, throttles, canopy material etc)
>
>
> Cheers
> Tony Blair
> Australia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Three point landings
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Three point landings
> > > Good topic, with 500 hours I still do not have the
> absolute> > answers to that
> > >question. What I can tell you is that this plane has negligible
> ground> >effect and the sink rate at the lower, almost stall
> speeds are, how do I
> > >phrase this, impressive?
> >
> > As in why the heck did I land from 10 feet high?? Why I will
> never attempt
> > a 3 wheeler at hi density altitudes (6,000) & up
> >
> > I think one of the big problem nobody addressed is how much the
> elevatoris
> > blanked out if you attempt a three wheeler without power!!!!!!!
> yikes!good
> > thing that titanium absorbs a lot of shock!!
> >
> > Tom ya know its interesting I had a t-18 for 12 years and could
> 80 - 90%
> of
> > the time do a real good 3 pointer but then I flew a friends with a
> > different gear set up and engine and couldn't do it at all!!
> >
> >
> > >Yes it is important that you have the stick all
> > >the way back at the right time but the key is the flare, too
> early and
> you
> > >will bounce, too late on the flare and, well, you will bounce
> even more.
> I
> > >make better three point landings with a passenger. I am not
> ashamed of
> > >wheel landings, I like them in this airplane and they can be
> very pretty
> and
> > >a LOT easier on the gear than a blotched three point. But
> sometimes you
> need
> > >to land in a shorter distance than a wheel landing permits so three
> pointers
> > >are a necessary. If for no other reason, then three pointers
> will bring a
> > >rocket guy down to earth, (pun intended), and humble him a little.
> > > I am going to continue practising for as long as I own
> one of
> > > these things.
> > >
> > >Tom Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com |
Tony,
Man, you need a lot of "stuff".
I am building HRocket... and have been humbled by the enormous number of
"bits" needed to make this thing fly. It is not a good "kit" if you are into
the "kit" concept, that is, everything listed and pre-packaged for you.
Nada !!
Earlier on, I resolved to keep track of all the parts + costs by using a
spreadsheet, but have lapsed into a semi-comatose records-keeper just tossing
all the lists, purchase orders, and invoices into a legal box. Someday when
I am old, I may go through it see how much this thing is costing.
Are you connected to the RVer's "down-under" ? You need the same "bits"
that any RV needs, plus some more. I bought the canopy kit from Mark
Frederick of F1,
tip tanks from Johanson, etc, ad-nauseum.
I don't know how it works for delivery 'down-under', but hereabouts, the UPS
delivery-man gets quite intimate with the project and its progress.
Regards, John Meyers Golden, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
Wait till that UPS man gets to bring you your new prop! (ok truck
freight guy).
I work on the 7th floor of an office building and joke with our mailroom
guy that he has delivered me my whole airplane one part at a time.
Soon you too will forget about spreadsheets and how much it cost and
will be creating spreadsheets comparing your speed at various
altitudes/power settings and collecting gas receipts.
Rob Mokry
N540RM
HRII #12
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Fellas:
I talked to Larry Vetterman at SWRFI -- he will be upgrading to an MT 3 blade
on his HR2 -- thus his current 2 blade is for sale.
$4800 asking price, 150TT or so SNEW, J twist blades, with carbon fiber
spinner.
Please call Larry at: 605.745.5932 for further details.
Cheers!
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com |
Whoops, I thought I had Larry Vetterman's (exhaust pipes) email, but notes
are getting bounced. vetxaust(at)qwtc.net NOT !
Does anyone have his current one ? Mark ??
Thanks, John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe(at)delphi.com> |
I've heard that Rockets have an extra doubler as compared to a RV where
the front fin spar attaches. Is this true? If it's so, could someone
share some details?
Rudder counter balances... I've noticed some Rockets without them yet
Van has included them on all the new series of RV's. Are they needed
for flutter prevention?
Thanks,
Dave
RV-6
180hp C/S
The need for (more) speed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket(at)comcast.net> |
You can go to http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/ for detail
construction pictures of the area in question.
On the F1, the rudder counter balance is mandatory.
Randy
F1 Rocket #95
----- Original Message -----
From: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe(at)delphi.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Fin attach
>
> I've heard that Rockets have an extra doubler as compared to a RV where
> the front fin spar attaches. Is this true? If it's so, could someone
> share some details?
>
> Rudder counter balances... I've noticed some Rockets without them yet
> Van has included them on all the new series of RV's. Are they needed
> for flutter prevention?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> RV-6
> 180hp C/S
> The need for (more) speed
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP
Subject: Rocket-List: Fin attach
From: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe(at)delphi.com>
I've heard that Rockets have an extra doubler as compared to a RV where
the front fin spar attaches. Is this true? If it's so, could someone
share some details?
Rudder counter balances... I've noticed some Rockets without them yet
Van has included them on all the new series of RV's. Are they needed
for flutter prevention?
Thanks,
Dave SNIP
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Everything%20else.htm
scroll about one third of the way down for a pic of how I changed my VS attach
to resemble the F-1 stuff.
I don't have a rudder counter balance.
Is any of this necessary? According to several HR drivers I've talked to.... No.
It's your choice then, isn't it?
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fin attach/rudder flutter |
The Super 6 has the old style rudder with the 0.020 skins. The
calculated Vne with the airframe improvements is 293 mph. I've had it
over 300 mph in a dive (Vd), and since I'm typing this, there was no
destructive flutter.
Boyd.
Frazier, Vincent A wrote:
>
>
>SNIP
>Subject: Rocket-List: Fin attach
>From: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe(at)delphi.com>
>
>
>I've heard that Rockets have an extra doubler as compared to a RV where
>the front fin spar attaches. Is this true? If it's so, could someone
>share some details?
>
>Rudder counter balances... I've noticed some Rockets without them yet
>Van has included them on all the new series of RV's. Are they needed
>for flutter prevention?
>
>Thanks,
>Dave SNIP
>
>
>http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Everything%20else.htm
>
>scroll about one third of the way down for a pic of how I changed my VS attach
to resemble the F-1 stuff.
>
>I don't have a rudder counter balance.
>
>Is any of this necessary? According to several HR drivers I've talked to....
No.
>
>It's your choice then, isn't it?
>
>Vince
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fin attach/rudder flutter |
GEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE GOING OVER 300 MPH IN A DIVE AND YOU DO GET
FLUTTER DO YOU GET A RE ENACTMENT OF THE COLUMBIA ONLY WITH OUT THE FIRE
BALL..... JUST THE CRUPPLED PLANE WITH A
SURPRISED EX TEST PILOT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe(at)delphi.com> |
Thanks Randy.
Dave
From: Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Fin attach
You can go to http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/ for detail
construction pictures of the area in question.
On the F1, the rudder counter balance is mandatory.
Randy
F1 Rocket #95
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe(at)delphi.com> |
Thanks Vince.
I wonder why Van thought he had to go to the counter balanced rudder?
Having been in R/C for a long time and seeing flutter first hand, I know I don't
want to experience it while my butt is in the airplane.
On a side note, the G-202 prototype had a case of aileron flutter. They were lucky,
from what I've heard it was over with a bang before the pilot knew what
happened. Blew the aileron off without damaging much else and he was able to
safely land the airplane...
Dave
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Everything%20else.htm
scroll about one third of the way down for a pic of how I changed my VS attach
to resemble the F-1 stuff.
I don't have a rudder counter balance.
Is any of this necessary? According to several HR drivers I've talked to.... No.
It's your choice then, isn't it?
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net> |
What time on Sat. is the BBQ at the home of the very famous HRII?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
Good company all day BBQ at 3:00 PM. L45 May 31.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Harry Paine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
ROKETMEN:
WHO MAKES A GOOD WATERTIGHT CANOPY COVER ??
HARRY PAINE
266HP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net> |
| Subject: | Re: canopy covers |
Harry:
Go here, in the matronics archives, for much more information about canopy covers.
DLB
N398DB
Match: #1 Message: #2455 Date: Sep 19, 2002 From: Sam Knight <knightair(at)lv.rmci.net>
Subject:
Re: Knight Aircraft Upholstery for Rocket
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net> |
| Subject: | Re: canopy covers |
Harry:
Here's some more information.
Match: #2 Message: #502 From: OrndorffG(at)aol.com Date: Aug 16, 1999 Subject:
Web site
Rocketeers,
When you have a spare moment, check out our new web site at
www.fly-gbi.com. We offer building videos, which though developed on the RV
series, many techinques apply to the rockets. We also offer seats and other
interior products and canopy covers for the rockets. Many of our other
products will aid you in finishing your planes. Let us know if we can help
you.
George and Becki Orndorff
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | watertight canopy |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Harry,
If your paint is sound and won't peel off, a nice way to waterproof it is to put
a strip of 3M eletrical tape over the front seam. Works for a slider or flopper.
And you don't have a big, hard to install, canopy cover to mess with or
carry around, just a small roll of tape. Much cheaper too. Also the tape won't
rub grit on your paint and plexiglas for hours on end when the wind blows
like the cover does. That alone keeps me from wasting any more money on a canopy
cover.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: watertight canopy Part Two! |
Several auto supply stores (even K-Mart) have Sun Screens made of light
aluminum colored fabric which have a metal spring frame inside. They have a trick
way of folding up to a very small circle, and weigh next to nothing. You can
open them up and put them INSIDE the canopy. They will not protect the canopy
from the sun, but will protect your avionics and upholstery by keeping the
temperatures, and UV rays under control when you park outside for a few days
with the airplane locked. The Rockettes in the back seat can even use them in
flight if she is trying to avoid the extra rays. Spend a couple of days
shopping for these as they come in many, many different shapes and sizes, one of
which will probably fit very well. Might even match your paint scheme! Les
Featherston HRII N206KT Soooooooooon to fly!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket cover |
Also, try Avery. They have real nice, very light weight travel covers as
well as heavier "home airport" covers.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
"Rocket List"
Everybody,
I just learned one of the problems with having the slowest Harmon Rocket.
I was just finishing a aileron roll when I saw a C-130 fly about 1000 feet
below me. My pax and I both saw TWO shadows on the ground but only one
plane. This caused some delay on my part as I didn't want to find the
second plane the HARD way (never found the second C-130, maybe the second
shadow was mine). So, after a very careful scan of the sky, I dropped the
nose of the Rocket and ran down the C-130. I was only able to get to about
1000 feet from the C-130 when he started to pull away.
If I just had one of those "big" engines, I might have been able to pull up
on their wing and waved to the pilots in the cockpit. HOW COOL WOULD THAT
HAVE BEEN.
I will just have to settle for close but no cigar. IT WAS FUN!!!!
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket II, N561FS, flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Tom
A few years ago when I was flying my RV4 there was a C130 in a holding
pattern south of Brantford, Ontario. They were monitoring the frequency I
was on so I asked if it would be ok to pull alongside. The pilot, a lady,
said that would be fine as long as I did not get too close. We chatted for
a while and then she inquired as to whether I had built my plane, to which I
answered, " yes, did you build yours?"
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Subject: Rocket-List: Plane FUN
Everybody,
I just learned one of the problems with having the slowest Harmon Rocket.
I was just finishing a aileron roll when I saw a C-130 fly about 1000 feet
below me. My pax and I both saw TWO shadows on the ground but only one
plane. This caused some delay on my part as I didn't want to find the
second plane the HARD way (never found the second C-130, maybe the second
shadow was mine). So, after a very careful scan of the sky, I dropped the
nose of the Rocket and ran down the C-130. I was only able to get to about
1000 feet from the C-130 when he started to pull away.
If I just had one of those "big" engines, I might have been able to pull up
on their wing and waved to the pilots in the cockpit. HOW COOL WOULD THAT
HAVE BEEN.
I will just have to settle for close but no cigar. IT WAS FUN!!!!
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket II, N561FS, flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | EAA Chapter 71 BBQ & Fly-in |
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