Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-cr
February 04, 2001 - February 21, 2001
john h
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| From: | Scott Watson <Scott(at)disney.com> |
| Subject: | Newbee Firestar owner! Heel Brakes, Trim and BRS and More |
Dear fellow Kolb owners,
Today I played with my new toy for the first time - some high speed
taxies and the like, and after doing so I have a lot of questions! You
can see the plane at the following link:
http://etv.go.com/scott/pic/kolb.html
First - everyone who sees the tubes that stick out of the wings where
the 'gap filler' goes thinks I should fit a tube over them, drill and
pin them. What are these tubes for?
Second - who ever installed the heel brakes did it in such a way that
they can flop forward. Was there a standard way to install these or
this a 'mod'? Also - I'd love to hear some opinions about the role of
differtial braking on Kolbs. I may just figure out someway to put on a
spring.
Thirdly - are there any examples of installing elevator trim (electric
or otherwise) and any recommendations.
Lastly (for now!) - I have a BRS 750 (cannister) and I'm trying to
figure out where to install it. I got the directions from BRS but it
shows it installed inside the fuselage. I'd hate to have to cut holes
and the like and I'd like to install it just aft of the fuselage - but
I'm concerned about the effects on the CG - what should I do??
-Scott
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
Kolbers,
Here is a message I received a few days ago from Dave Miller of Culver
props.
Bad news, Culver is a first class outfit, and I hate to see them close
up shop.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: D J Miller
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: price check and advice request
Denny,
thank you for your e-mail-unfortunately in January we lost our lease on
our manufacturing space on very short notice-had to be out by Jan 31.
The building had been sold. the machinery & patterns are in temporary
storage. I do not know at this time what will happen. I am leaning
toward selling Culver Props. Information will be on our web site soon.
www.culverprops.com
Best regards.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: djmiller(at)penn.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:58 AM
Subject: price check and advice request
Dave,
I be needing another prop. :-)
This one will be for a Kolb Mk-3 that I am building.
It has a 2SI 690L-70 engine with a 2.65 to 1 reduction.
Would appreciate your advice on dia and pitch. I'm thinking between
68" and 72" dia.
I can raise the engine for the 72" if neccesary but would like to have
your opinion on the proper dia for this ratio gearbox.
Also will need a price estimate with and without leading edge
protection, and with yellow tips.
Thanks,
Denny Rowe
rowdl(at)alltel.net
724-845-1431
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| From: | b young <byoung(at)brigham.net> |
hillbilly mike.
i am not an expert. but i put the electric pump below the
tank and ran it series through the pump on my 912. for
start up i turn on the elect pump to prime the float bowls
and also use it for "to and ldg." during flight i only
use the mechanical pump on the 912. they work fine for me
in this config. i use no pressure gague. and just went
over the 100 hour mark
boyd
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| From: | Michael Peer <quick503(at)yahoo.com> |
I need a little help from youse guys. I'm looking at
possible engine/airframe combinations for the MK III
I'm rebuilding. But I need some weight figures to look
at the effect on cg. All I need is main and tail
weight for a MK III with a 582. I can figure the rest.
Thanks, Mike
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| From: | gerken(at)us.ibm.com |
| Subject: | two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat |
(regarding two-stroke cooling, radiator sizing, etc...)
Richard says "" if you don't run a thermostat, you're asking for a cold
seizure"" or something like that (Sorry Richard). My friend Dick says:""If
you run a thermostat, you're asking for a cold seizure"". Dick's case is
that if there is a thermostat, when the temp comes up enough to open the
thermostat, a rush of cold water will start to flow thru the engine,
causing thermal shock, etc, leading to seizure. On the other hand, I know
it is difficult to attain and maintain an acceptable (170 or greater)
operating temp in the winter weather here in Minnesota, unless you use the
thermostat, and you have to cover radiator area appropriate to the ambient
temp.
Richard, anyone, care to tell us the rest of the story? If so, also please
address the old-style cooling system on the 582, the one without the bypass
loop and $100 thermostat.
Jim G
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| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat |
Hi Jim,
Lots of vehicles out there running thermostats that don't suffer
from "thermal shock" as you describe. The thermostat lets the engine attain
the operating temperature range quicker than without. Without a thermostat,
the engine runs cold water continuously through the system, never coming up
to operating temp and running the chance of cracking the water jacket
(engine crankcase or cylinder jacket, as applicable) due to extreme temp
differences. Best to run a thermostat, then shield the radiator in very
cold conditions (like truckers do). My $.02 worth.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat
>
> (regarding two-stroke cooling, radiator sizing, etc...)
> Richard says "" if you don't run a thermostat, you're asking for a cold
> seizure"" or something like that (Sorry Richard). My friend Dick
says:""If
> you run a thermostat, you're asking for a cold seizure"". Dick's case is
> that if there is a thermostat, when the temp comes up enough to open the
> thermostat, a rush of cold water will start to flow thru the engine,
> causing thermal shock, etc, leading to seizure.
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
Last weekend, a friend showed us an engine he's had collecting dust.
Apparently it runs, and really screams. He showed it at our USUA
meeting Saturday, trying to find out what it is. No one there had any
idea.................so I bring it to you guys. Has anyone any idea of
who, what, why, etc., this engine is ?? How big ?? Horsepower ??
Rpm's ?? Lar.
www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/mystery.jpg
www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/engine.jpg
www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/engine3.jpg
www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/engine4.jpg
There's no information at all on the engine, and believe me - we looked.
TIA
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
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| From: | "HD Mitchell" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com> |
Gene Ledbetter and I met at the Panacea airport About 9 AM yesterday for
a trip to Dog Island. This island is located about 3 miles offshore near
the town of Carrabelle on the northern coast of the Gulf Of Mexico.
We unfolded our FireFlies, topped off our fuel tanks (5 Gals max), did careful
preflights and departed. Gene had left his radio in the charger at
his place so I did all of the departure calling and we were off. I was to take
the lead because I had the radio and he would follow. After leaving the strip
I did a couple of 360 turns to look for him but could not see
him. I went to our planned 2,000' altitude over the Ochlockonee Bay, did
another 360 and finally sighted him headed for our second checkpoint. Because his
plane/engine are still pretty new I was able to catch up with him and we were
on our way. The second checkpoint was where we leave the mainland to start
across the water. When we did start accross I could see the Dog Island landing
field. From 2,000' it looked mighty small and I knew that water was mighty cold.
Doing my best to "visualize success" and keeping my 9 to 1 glide ratio (-150'
for each turn) we zipped over there in no time.
There was no wind sock and I did not want to approach the field from the
wrong direction. I looked for one of those woods fires we always have but there
were none in sight. I tried to read the waves but in water that shallow it was
hard to tell. I finally noticed that several small boats moored on bouys in
the harbor were all faceing the same direction. These were $10,000 windsocks.
Perfect.
When I landed I met a gentleman who's name was Randy and was astonished when he
greeted me with "You are Duane the plane". Is this list great or what!
Randy cautioned us to minimize any low flying in the around the area because some
island residents did not want their peace and quiet disturbed. Randy was a
GA pilot and had a comercial ticket but he was really eyeing our Kolbs and hoped
to build or buy somthing similar one day soon. We chatted a while then headed
home.
Before we left Gene noted fuel level was below half so on the way back we flew
a direct course. Aside from a near miss with a 100 MPH Eagle-Vulture-whatever
the trip went off without a hitch.
Keep building guys, Gene is going back North in a month and I need all the flying
buddies I can get,
Duane the plane in Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN 007, 447, Ivo
http://explorer.msn.com
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat |
Jim,
Tell your friend Dick that is what the bypass hose is for. It allows a
limited amount of water to continuously circulate around the engine even
when the thermostat is closed. Don't let anyone talk you out of it. You
can over cool your engine on a hot summer day if you are doing a low power
desent from several thousand feet, I've done it.
You don't need to spend $100 on a gold plated Rotax thermostat. I'll
sell you one for $89.99 (Incliding shipping & handling) or you can do what I
did. I went to my local autoparts store & bought a thermostat that fit the
housing & was rated at 180 degrees. I don't remember the part number &
didn't write it down. I drilled two 3/16" holes in it to allow water to by
pass when it is closed. I then drilled & tapped a 1/4" PNP hole in the top
of the thermostat housing & screwed in a 1/4" hose fitting & ran a 1/4" hose
to the water pump inlet housing. You also will never get air in your system
as this bleeds it as well. Richard Swiderski
----- Original Message -----
From: <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat
>
> (regarding two-stroke cooling, radiator sizing, etc...)
> Richard says "" if you don't run a thermostat, you're asking for a cold
> seizure"" or something like that (Sorry Richard). My friend Dick
says:""If
> you run a thermostat, you're asking for a cold seizure"". Dick's case is
> that if there is a thermostat, when the temp comes up enough to open the
> thermostat, a rush of cold water will start to flow thru the engine,
> causing thermal shock, etc, leading to seizure. On the other hand, I know
> it is difficult to attain and maintain an acceptable (170 or greater)
> operating temp in the winter weather here in Minnesota, unless you use the
> thermostat, and you have to cover radiator area appropriate to the ambient
> temp.
>
> Richard, anyone, care to tell us the rest of the story? If so, also
please
> address the old-style cooling system on the 582, the one without the
bypass
> loop and $100 thermostat.
>
> Jim G
>
>
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| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/5/01 7:35:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
quick503(at)yahoo.com writes:
> All I need is main and tail
> weight for a MK III with a 582. I can figure the rest.
> Thanks, Mike
>
Mike,
Mine with BRS mounted on top is:
Left main 225
Right main 230
Tail 68
Steven Green
Mark III
3.6 hrs.
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| From: | bob n <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: torque wrench calibration |
I have gone thru several so-called click-stop torque wrenches and found
that they will retain their calibration much longer if returned to zero
after use--as in when you put it back in your roll a way. That way the
spring doesn't take a set. Maybe wrong on the cause, but the effect is
longer usefullness.
bn----old mech
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| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cold weather flying |
>
>Possum and Gang:
>
>Please give us an update on the Chilli Vest.
>
>Appreciate any feed back on Chilli Vest performance from you
>and your buddies who are chilling out and staying warm this
>winter.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
This one's for you Charlie - Ulflyer(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Bill Weber" <bweber2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: torque values |
It would seem to me that torque values are only needed when:
1. Two or more bolts must exert equal pressure on the structure, e.g. head
bolts, prop bolts
2. When the underlying structure must have a certain pressure for proper
operation.
3. or both
Otherwise, you just need to make sure the bolt or nut can't come off and
there is no play that isn't required.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher John Armstrong <Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: torque values
>
> > Go ahead and torque the bolts all you want.....it doesn't matter for
> > 99.99% of the installations!
> > J.Baker
>
> I was thinking the same thing!
>
> Topher
>
>
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| From: | gerken(at)us.ibm.com |
> You don't need to spend $100 on a gold plated Rotax thermostat. I'll
>sell you one for $89.99 (Incliding shipping & handling) or you can do what
I
>did. I went to my local autoparts store & bought a thermostat that fit the
>housing & was rated at 180 degrees. I don't remember the part number &
Richard, I have been to three parts stores and worn out my welcome looking
for radiator caps and thermostats to replace the Rotax/gold units. At your
next inspection or replacement of your thermostat, please please get me a
number/model. Lindy and I have both gone through this and given up.
Any way there might be a couple pictures of your home-built bypass, it
sounds like a good idea!
THANKS!!!
Jim G
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| From: | "Tom Giacometto" <brittani(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | brs vls pictures |
Hello, Yes I'm a newby, Just wondering if anybody has any close up
pictures of thier vls chute installed, they would'nt mind sharing with
me. Time to put a chute on the firestar II. Maybe even a site I could go
to and take a look. Did a search and was unsuccessful. Got a few black &
white drawings from brs. but would like to see actual photos of
installed vls if possible.
Thanks Tom
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| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brs vls pictures |
Tom, I have a VLS 750 between the wings of my Firestar II. I installed it
per BRS plans and it took about an hour and a half. When installed, it
sticks out of the top of my lexan gap seal about an inch and a half. I just
cut the lexan around the VLS as close as I could. I looks good and is
bareley noticeable on the ground .People ask where the chute is. You will
have to modify the gap seal attatch method. But if you have built a
Firestar, you will have no problem coming up with an idea. Sorry I don't
have any photos at this time.
Kip Laurie
N111KX
Atlanta
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Giacometto <brittani(at)mcn.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:03 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: brs vls pictures
>
> Hello, Yes I'm a newby, Just wondering if anybody has any close up
> pictures of thier vls chute installed, they would'nt mind sharing with
> me. Time to put a chute on the firestar II. Maybe even a site I could go
> to and take a look. Did a search and was unsuccessful. Got a few black &
> white drawings from brs. but would like to see actual photos of
> installed vls if possible.
>
>
> Thanks Tom
>
>
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| Subject: | Chilli vest testimonial |
>Possum and Gang:
>Please give us an update on the Chilli Vest.
>Appreciate any feed back on Chilli Vest performance from you and your buddies
who are chilling out and staying warm this winter.
>Take care,
>
>john h
Fellow Kolb Folks,
As requested by John H., here's another testimonial for the Chilli vest - the following
is a short technical [sic] evaluation of the previously testimonialed
Chilli vest. :-)
Vendor response - I ordered my Chilli vest last week and received it in 4 working
days after the order.
Trial conditions - AWOS says weather was clear, visibility 10 miles, OAT was 51
degrees (not so cold), winds 240 degrees at 7 mph.
Aircraft ....oooops ....Vehicle - Firestar II with usual full windshield enclosure;
no enclosure aft of windshield (get a smattering of breeze on the back of
my head at times).
Pilot dress conditions - Underpants, T-shirt, long-sleeved flannel shirt, jeans,
belt, thin socks, loafer shoes, woosey light-weight gardening gloves, eyeglasses,
and headset; Chilli vest over flannel shirt and light windbreaker zipped
over vest.
General flight pattern - took off, climbed to 1100 feet, flew around in general
area, and landed = 37 minutes flight time.
Performance of Chilli vest - kept my central body area (say, from groin to neck)
very comfortable; feeling of warmth varied depending on vest control setting
- about 50% setting = nice and comfy; 25% setting could feel a tiny bit of cool
but not uncomfortable; 75 % setting = a bit too warm; over 75% = too damn hot.
There was no perceptible warm distributed to my legs or feet but maybe a bit
to my arms; none to my hands; these extremities were noticeably cool.
Personal evaluation - I LIKE itI LIKE it. For me, it's worth the cost; I like the
fact that I don't need restrictive coat coverings. I'm told that further experimentation
and a bit more time of flight should show heat distribution to my
extremities. ... hmmmm .... we'll see.
Final note - be sure to unplug yourself before exiting the....uh....vehicle. Otherwise,
things jerk. Something else to add to the post-flight checklist.
Charlie
FS II - DCDI 503
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| From: | "Tom Giacometto" <brittani(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | brs vls installation |
Dama, Thanks for responding, Two quick question does the whole unit
stick out above the gap seal or is it just the rocket part?
May of been dreaming, but I thought I saw a picture of a firestar II
with the vls installed, and all that was sticking above the gap seal was
the rocket, like I said maybe I thought!!
Would still like to see some close up pictures if anybody has any. Quite
a few bones to shell out and not knowing fully if this is the version I
want to go with, like the idea of vls verses canister, looks I quess.
Also does it make it more of a hassel to fold and unfold wing, then it
already is?
By the way John H. I live in the southeastern corner of the state of MT.
Curious to know if there's any other Kolb flyers in the Big Sky State.
Thanks Tom
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brs vls installation |
> By the way John H. I live in the southeastern corner of the state of MT.
> Curious to know if there's any other Kolb flyers in the Big Sky State.
>
> Thanks Tom
Tom and Gang:
There is one guy in Big Arm or Elmo, Montana, that we have
not heard from is a while. His name is Michael D. Heit. He
claimed to be a VN era Army Helicopter Pilot, Special Forces
NCO, and now retired Army Command Sergeant Major. He is
also a certified A&E, something I could verify. Said he was
rebuilding or finish building an Ultrastar. He was quite
active on the Kit Fox List in the later 90's. I think he
also has a Glider rating, but not a private ticket.
We need a volunteer, with the know withall, how to set up
and maintain a Kolb List Roster, with name, address,
aircraft, email address. Would be handy to have when we are
tooling around the country.
What is the name of the city where you live, Tom? Was
through SE and out the NW corner of Montana last summer,
during recovery of my MK III in Canada.
Take care,
john h
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| From: | "Tom Giacometto" <brittani(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: brs vls installation |
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Giacometto
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:14 AM
Subject: brs vls installation
Dama, Thanks for responding, Two quick question does the whole unit
stick out above the gap seal or is it just the rocket part?
May of been dreaming, but I thought I saw a picture of a firestar II
with the vls installed, and all that was sticking above the gap seal was
the rocket, like I said maybe I thought!!
Would still like to see some close up pictures if anybody has any. Quite
a few bones to shell out and not knowing fully if this is the version I
want to go with, like the idea of vls verses canister, looks I quess.
Also does it make it more of a hassel to fold and unfold wing, then it
already is?
By the way John H. I live in the southeastern corner of the state of MT.
Curious to know if there's any other Kolb flyers in the Big Sky State.
Thanks Tom
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| From: | "Tom Giacometto" <brittani(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | brs vls installation |
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brs vls installation
>
>
> > By the way John H. I live in the southeastern corner of the state of MT.
> > Curious to know if there's any other Kolb flyers in the Big Sky State.
> >
> > Thanks Tom
>
>
> Tom and Gang:
>
> There is one guy in Big Arm or Elmo, Montana, that we have
> not heard from is a while. His name is Michael D. Heit. He
> claimed to be a VN era Army Helicopter Pilot, Special Forces
> NCO, and now retired Army Command Sergeant Major. He is
> also a certified A&E, something I could verify. Said he was
> rebuilding or finish building an Ultrastar. He was quite
> active on the Kit Fox List in the later 90's. I think he
> also has a Glider rating, but not a private ticket.
>
> We need a volunteer, with the know withall, how to set up
> and maintain a Kolb List Roster, with name, address,
> aircraft, email address. Would be handy to have when we are
> tooling around the country.
>
> What is the name of the city where you live, Tom? Was
> through SE and out the NW corner of Montana last summer,
> during recovery of my MK III in Canada.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> John,
You were probably traveling highway 212, I'm guessing!! I live
south.
east of Broudus 35 Miles, little town called Belle Creek
Newby to computers to bare with me.
Tom
>
>
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| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brs vls installation |
Tom, by the way, my wife is Dama, she just controls the E-mail. About 1/3 of
the box holding the VLS is exposed. The rocket is well above everything
else. You probably saw Johann's from Iceland where he modified the assembly
to fit inside the gap seal which involves fabricating your own brackets. It
can be done. Again, mine is well hidden despite sticking out above the gap
seal (I would not change it given a second chance).
Sincereley
Kip Laurie
N111KX
Atlanta
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Giacometto <brittani(at)mcn.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: brs vls installation
>
> Dama, Thanks for responding, Two quick question does the whole unit
> stick out above the gap seal or is it just the rocket part?
> May of been dreaming, but I thought I saw a picture of a firestar II
> with the vls installed, and all that was sticking above the gap seal was
> the rocket, like I said maybe I thought!!
> Would still like to see some close up pictures if anybody has any. Quite
> a few bones to shell out and not knowing fully if this is the version I
> want to go with, like the idea of vls verses canister, looks I quess.
> Also does it make it more of a hassel to fold and unfold wing, then it
> already is?
>
>
> By the way John H. I live in the southeastern corner of the state of MT.
> Curious to know if there's any other Kolb flyers in the Big Sky State.
>
> Thanks Tom
>
>
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: brs vls pictures |
http://members.aol.com/cesaru/KolbFSII/247.jpg
http://members.aol.com/guillermou/236.jpg
In a message dated 2/6/01 10:06:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, brittani(at)mcn.net
writes:
> Hello, Yes I'm a newby, Just wondering if anybody has any close up
> pictures of thier vls chute installed, they would'nt mind sharing with
> me. Time to put a chute on the firestar II. Maybe even a site I could go
> to and take a look. Did a search and was unsuccessful. Got a few black &
> white drawings from brs. but would like to see actual photos of
> installed vls if possible.
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At an airshow in Frederick, Md. I spoke with an auto-gyro pilot who was
using a four cylinder, horizontaly opposed McCulloch two stroke drone engine.
He told me he has never heard of anyone getting more than 150 hours out of
one of those engines before it self-destructed. I guess that makes sense when
you consider it was designed to fly once and then (hopefully) get shot down.
Definately something to stay away from!
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| From: | "Clive Hatcher" <clive_hatcher(at)lineone.net> |
John and Kolbers,
I had a diaphragm rupture on a Mikuni pump. The
onset of the problem was so slow that it took me
about 3 months to track it down! It must have
started as a pin hole and gradually increased to a
small slit about 1/8 in. long on the edge at the
diaphragm clamp line. The first symptom was 1
cylinder running cooler and slightly rich and by
the end I had lost about 100 rpm on takeoff with
very sooty spark plug on the cylinder that fed the
pulse line to the pump. Most of my trouble
shooting had been on the carbs without any success
before I investigated the pump, even then I needed
an eye glass to be sure. I now replace the
diaphragms and check valves/flaps at 150 hrs.
Clive, Mk III / 582
Never forget: Takeoffs are optional - Landings are
mandatory!
-----Original Message-----
Snip -----
"However, I have never heard of a diaphragm
rupturing in a
Mikuni pump. I am not saying it won't happen, but
know of
no case where it has. Has anyone else heard of a
diaphragm
rupturing in a Mikuni pump? "
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| From: | "Jon Croke" <jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | List Roster.. well close! |
> We need a volunteer, with the know withall, how to set up
> and maintain a Kolb List Roster, with name, address,
> aircraft, email address. Would be handy to have when we are
> tooling around the country.
>
Fellow Kolbers
This may come close to satisfying the need for an unofficial roster, check
out
www.UltralightPilot.com
This database site has been a hobby of mine for the last couple years: a
database of ultralight pilots that have voulunteered their piloting info in
an attempt to help fellow pilots as they navigate thru the US on X country
flights. Obviously it is not a Kolb exclusive list, but there ARE quite a
few Kolb owners listed!
One of the newest features is the GPS search - where you enter your present
coordinates and the database lists the closest pilots from that point!
Everyone is welcome to use and play with the database... and by all means
add YOURSELF so that others can find YOU!!
And, it should go without saying (but maybe not in this day and age!) that
this is NOT a commercial site and the info is not going to be sold,
marketed, spammed, etc. But, like any phone book, the info is available to
anyone who can use a computer (thats good and bad!)
And if you have any questions or comments, email me..... I am waiting for
the snow to dissappear to get my FSII back in the sky!
Jon
Green Bay, Wi
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com> |
| Subject: | priming aluminum |
Hello everyone,
Need some advice. Kolb says prime and paint the fuselage tube only. Others
(Jim and Dondi) say prime all aluminum parts. The plane will be kept in a
hanger in Ohio and would probably seldom, if ever, be near the ocean.
It it worthwhile to prime the wings and tail? Pros and cons?
Thanks,
Rody in Cincinnati (Mark III X-tra)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/05/01 two stroke cooling |
| From: | Scott and Pam Trask <PTrask(at)diisd.org> |
on 2/6/01 1:58 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server at kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com
wrote:
>
> From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Tell your friend Dick that is what the bypass hose is for. It allows a
> limited amount of water to continuously circulate around the engine even
> when the thermostat is closed. Don't let anyone talk you out of it. You
> can over cool your engine on a hot summer day if you are doing a low power
> desent from several thousand feet, I've done it.
> You don't need to spend $100 on a gold plated Rotax thermostat. I'll
> sell you one for $89.99 (Incliding shipping & handling) or you can do what I
> did. I went to my local autoparts store & bought a thermostat that fit the
> housing & was rated at 180 degrees. I don't remember the part number &
> didn't write it down. I drilled two 3/16" holes in it to allow water to by
> pass when it is closed. I then drilled & tapped a 1/4" PNP hole in the top
> of the thermostat housing & screwed in a 1/4" hose fitting & ran a 1/4" hose
> to the water pump inlet housing. You also will never get air in your system
> as this bleeds it as well. Richard Swiderski
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:14 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: two stroke cooling with and without a thermostat
>
Hi Guys
Interesting debate on thermostat or no thermostat. I may have started it by
giving advice on size of radiator and covering part of it, what I had done
with my 582 when I had it about 7 years ago. When I installed the 582 in
'89, Rotax did not have or recommended a thermostat of any kind. It was my
understanding that they had some problems with cold shocking with a
thermostat. So I ran it with no thermostat for over 150hrs, covering my 912
radiator part way up to obtain proper temperatures. No problems. Then Rotax
came out with a thermostat for the 582's so I got one. I figured I could get
rid of the radiator cover that I had made for it. I was wrong.
All the thermostat did was to help heat up the engine sooner before take
off. The thermostat they sold me had a hole in it for a bypass. I put 300hrs
on the 582 had no problems with it. Then I traded it for a 912.
Scott Trask
Iron Mountain MI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Guy Swenson" <guys(at)rrt.net> |
| Subject: | Re: priming aluminum |
Rody,
I'm not going to disagree with Jim and Dondi, However, If you do not
properly clean and etch all of the aluminum parts you intend to prime, you
run the risk of the primer releasing, and given the fact that you will
attach the covering to this primer. Having it fail could result in a failure
of the covering.
Just something to think about.
Guy S.
MK III Xtra
Barnesville, MN
-----Original Message-----
From: jrodebush <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: priming aluminum
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>Need some advice. Kolb says prime and paint the fuselage tube only.
Others
>(Jim and Dondi) say prime all aluminum parts. The plane will be kept in a
>hanger in Ohio and would probably seldom, if ever, be near the ocean.
>
>It it worthwhile to prime the wings and tail? Pros and cons?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rody in Cincinnati (Mark III X-tra)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
Doesn't ANYONE know what this thing is ?? C'mon guys, you're our last
hope. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: larrybiglar
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: Fw: Engine
Last weekend, a friend showed us an engine he's had collecting dust.
Apparently it runs, and really screams. He showed it at our USUA
meeting Saturday, trying to find out what it is. No one there had any
idea.................so I bring it to you guys. Has anyone any idea of
who, what, why, etc., this engine is ?? How big ?? Horsepower ??
Rpm's ?? Lar.
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/mystery.jpg
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/engine.jpg
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/engine3.jpg
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/files/engine4.jpg
There's no information at all on the engine, and believe me - we looked.
TIA
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
Any Kolb people in Dallas or Denver. I will be overnight there Thursday thru
Sunday.
Kip Laurie
Firestar II
N111KX
Atlanta
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
I've wondered about these engines. I know reliability is not up to par
with what we want but could it be that most of the users don't know about
EGT and CHT. They just bolt it on and adjust the carb to give it the most
rpm and then go fly. Knowing how some people operate I can see it
happening. I would like to get more details just out of curiosity.
>
> At an airshow in Frederick, Md. I spoke with an auto-gyro pilot who was
>using a four cylinder, horizontaly opposed McCulloch two stroke drone engine.
>He told me he has never heard of anyone getting more than 150 hours out of
>one of those engines before it self-destructed. I guess that makes sense when
>you consider it was designed to fly once and then (hopefully) get shot down.
>Definately something to stay away from!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
>
>Doesn't ANYONE know what this thing is ?? C'mon guys, you're our last
>hope. Lar.
(This is "not" a McCulloch two stroke drone engine).
But what do "I" know. -- more info on the "web".
mostly nowadays I kill "Trikes".
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/
http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/stans_fun_house.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
You DO know ! ! ! The same guy had his Bensen gyro copter on his truck,
showing it off, and I took a couple of pics of it, too. It has the 2 stroke
McCulloch engine, and it's nothing at all like this little engine. Not even
close. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Possum" <possums(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Engine
>
> >
> >Doesn't ANYONE know what this thing is ?? C'mon guys, you're our last
> >hope. Lar.
>
> (This is "not" a McCulloch two stroke drone engine).
> But what do "I" know. -- more info on the "web".
> mostly nowadays I kill "Trikes".
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/
>
> http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/stans_fun_house.htm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
>
>You DO know ! ! ! The same guy had his Bensen gyro copter on his truck,
>showing it off, and I took a couple of pics of it, too. It has the 2 stroke
>McCulloch engine, and it's nothing at all like this little engine. Not even
>close.
No, I don't know what the heck it is, do you want me to reply off-line ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> |
They were intended to be used over and over again. Parachute recovery.
Seams to me they burned 32/1 ratio. Never heard of one seizing once it was
in flight. The desert floor in the impact area here is littered with them.
The fuel tanks were made of iron for weight and balance (not very nice of
them.)
Dave
El Paso
-----Original Message-----
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:07 PM
-List message posted by: Woody
>
> I've wondered about these engines. I know reliability is not up to par
>with what we want but could it be that most of the users don't know about
>EGT and CHT. They just bolt it on and adjust the carb to give it the most
>rpm and then go fly. Knowing how some people operate I can see it
>happening. I would like to get more details just out of curiosity.
>
>
>>
>> At an airshow in Frederick, Md. I spoke with an auto-gyro pilot who was
>>using a four cylinder, horizontaly opposed McCulloch two stroke drone
engine.
>>He told me he has never heard of anyone getting more than 150 hours out of
>>one of those engines before it self-destructed. I guess that makes sense
when
>>you consider it was designed to fly once and then (hopefully) get shot
down.
>>Definately something to stay away from!
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Sudlow" <suds77(at)telocity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: priming aluminum |
When I covered, I etched & epoxy primed all surfaces where the fabric would
be glued - leading trailing edges, sides of the elevators etc...epoxy had to
cure for a week, and then glued the fabric. I don't think they're talking
about priming the entire structure, are they?
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Swenson <guys(at)rrt.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: priming aluminum
>
>Rody,
>I'm not going to disagree with Jim and Dondi, However, If you do not
>properly clean and etch all of the aluminum parts you intend to prime, you
>run the risk of the primer releasing, and given the fact that you will
>attach the covering to this primer. Having it fail could result in a
failure
>of the covering.
>Just something to think about.
>
>Guy S.
>MK III Xtra
>Barnesville, MN
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jrodebush <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com>
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:41 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: priming aluminum
>
>
>>
>>
>>Hello everyone,
>>
>>Need some advice. Kolb says prime and paint the fuselage tube only.
>Others
>>(Jim and Dondi) say prime all aluminum parts. The plane will be kept in a
>>hanger in Ohio and would probably seldom, if ever, be near the ocean.
>>
>>It it worthwhile to prime the wings and tail? Pros and cons?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Rody in Cincinnati (Mark III X-tra)
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
Any Kolb pilots/builder near Dallas or Denver. I will be overnight there
thru Sunday.
Kip Laurie
Firestar II
Atlanta
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Watson <Scott(at)disney.com> |
| Subject: | Being careful with the CG |
Hey guys - you were great with fielding all my last questions!
(flattery will get you everywhere) I could use help on another:
How do I make sure my CG is the correct place?? I read a horror story
about someone who moved their seat back and the CG with it and could
never get the nose down until it stalled and went straight down.
I'm still picking a location for the BRS AND I'm looking at changing
the fuel tank location.
Is it as simple putting scales under the wheels and doing a little
math?
I'd hate to end up an interesting but unfortunate story.
-Scott
This Kolb is on an older Firstar that I bought built. If your curious
here are some pictures -
http://etv.go.com/scott/pic/kolb.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: List Roster.. sort of... |
Group,
The Kolb Map is not really a roster, but it does have a lot of the
information. If there was more interest in it, I might even get motivated to
update it. One feature that it has is finding websites of other list members.
Just click on the name and if there is a website the owners mane will appear
underlined and in color in the information line at the top. Try it at:
http://www.execpc.com/~jrjung/Kolb_Map.html
If you have a new website that you would like to have included, or other
information for me to update, e-mail me at jrjung(at)execpc.com
John Jung
Creator of the Kolb List Map
> > We need a volunteer, with the know withall, how to set up
> > and maintain a Kolb List Roster, with name, address,
> > aircraft, email address. Would be handy to have when we are
> > tooling around the country
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Neilsen" <neilsenr(at)state.mi.us> |
| Subject: | Re: priming aluminum |
The biggest concern in our area is weight. Aluminum tends to corrode just a bit
till it gets a thin skin of corrosion then it stops. Its that black stuff that
gets on you hands when working with aluminum. If you are going to paint or even
prime aluminum you will need to etch it to make sure it will stick. If I remember
correctly the etching solution is alumadine(sp). In a salt environment
the importance of priming is much more of a concern. Again the biggest concern
is weight, there is an incredible amount of square feet of aluminum in our planes
and even a very thin layer of primer will add up. Then if your argument
is you have to stop all this corrosion then shouldn't you prime the inside of
all the tubing? Its not worth it. As for priming the area where the fabric is
glued? Lets hear from those people that have older airplanes, is this a problem?
Go ahead and etch the external aluminum for cosmetic reasons then prime it
quickly before the aluminum corrodes again. I found the etching process to be
a pain.
Rick Neilsen
VW powered MKIII
Grand Ledge, Michigan
>>> jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com 02/06/01 09:01PM >>>
Hello everyone,
Need some advice. Kolb says prime and paint the fuselage tube only. Others
(Jim and Dondi) say prime all aluminum parts. The plane will be kept in a
hanger in Ohio and would probably seldom, if ever, be near the ocean.
It it worthwhile to prime the wings and tail? Pros and cons?
Thanks,
Rody in Cincinnati (Mark III X-tra)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Being careful with the CG |
Hi Scott,
I also have an "Original Firestar" that I would like to do a CG check
on. Got mine about a year ago. I'm bigger than the guy I bought it from so
I was not too worried about being tail heavy if you know what I mean. I
have the plans but do not have any other specs that tell me how to do the
weight and balance check on it and what the CG range should be. It fly's
fantastic, the only problem I have is I can't go full throttle on it because
it came with a 503 DCDI, Dual carb and it is a five rib wing. I was looking
to go to a 447 but everyone talked me out of taking the 503 off. Everyone
tells me just don't go full throttle. So I don't!
I'm sure someone on the list can get the information for us.
Dennis Watson
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Watson" <Scott(at)disney.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Being careful with the CG
>
>
> Hey guys - you were great with fielding all my last questions!
> (flattery will get you everywhere) I could use help on another:
>
> How do I make sure my CG is the correct place?? I read a horror story
> about someone who moved their seat back and the CG with it and could
> never get the nose down until it stalled and went straight down.
>
> I'm still picking a location for the BRS AND I'm looking at changing
> the fuel tank location.
>
> Is it as simple putting scales under the wheels and doing a little
> math?
>
> I'd hate to end up an interesting but unfortunate story.
>
> -Scott
>
> This Kolb is on an older Firstar that I bought built. If your curious
> here are some pictures -
>
> http://etv.go.com/scott/pic/kolb.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: priming aluminum |
I'm with you, Rick ! ! ! Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Neilsen" <neilsenr(at)state.mi.us>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: priming aluminum
>
> The biggest concern in our area is weight. Aluminum tends to corrode just
a bit till it gets a thin skin of corrosion then it stops. Its that black
stuff that gets on you hands when working with aluminum. If you are going to
paint or even prime aluminum you will need to etch it to make sure it will
stick. If I remember correctly the etching solution is alumadine(sp). In a
salt environment the importance of priming is much more of a concern. Again
the biggest concern is weight, there is an incredible amount of square feet
of aluminum in our planes and even a very thin layer of primer will add up.
Then if your argument is you have to stop all this corrosion then shouldn't
you prime the inside of all the tubing? Its not worth it. As for priming the
area where the fabric is glued? Lets hear from those people that have older
airplanes, is this a problem? Go ahead and etch the external aluminum for
cosmetic reasons then prime it quickly before the aluminum corrodes again. I
found !
> the etching process to be a pain.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> VW powered MKIII
> Grand Ledge, Michigan
>
>
> >>> jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com 02/06/01 09:01PM >>>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Need some advice. Kolb says prime and paint the fuselage tube only.
Others
> (Jim and Dondi) say prime all aluminum parts. The plane will be kept in a
> hanger in Ohio and would probably seldom, if ever, be near the ocean.
>
> It it worthwhile to prime the wings and tail? Pros and cons?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rody in Cincinnati (Mark III X-tra)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)telepath.com> |
> Doesn't ANYONE know what this thing is ?? C'mon guys, you're our last
> hope. Lar.
Last hope rewarded? Looks like a Fuji Robin engine converted to
free air with a homemade (?) jackshaft for the belt drive. Can't be
sure but seems I've seen something like that jackshaft used in golf
cart Fuji engines. Try
http://blackice.com.au/av8/robin/#page1
for an engine drawings.......
J.Baker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com> |
| Subject: | Being careful with the CG |
I have heard from many people that the 5 rib Original Firestar is not meant
to have a 503--to much torque--maybe too much speed. They came with the
377 and the 447 was the upgrade, the KXP has extra wing ribs and I have
been told , can handle the 503. The original Firestar is alot different
than the Firestar II. If I try fast full throttle on mine in wet grass I
will tip over on the nose--only time I go to quick full throttle is on
paved runway--otherwise always gradual (3-4 seconds) full throttle.
Dale Seitzer
Hi Scott,
I also have an "Original Firestar" that I would like to do a CG check
on. Got mine about a year ago. I'm bigger than the guy I bought it from
so
I was not too worried about being tail heavy if you know what I mean. I
have the plans but do not have any other specs that tell me how to do the
weight and balance check on it and what the CG range should be. It fly's
fantastic, the only problem I have is I can't go full throttle on it
because
it came with a 503 DCDI, Dual carb and it is a five rib wing. I was
looking
to go to a 447 but everyone talked me out of taking the 503 off. Everyone
tells me just don't go full throttle. So I don't!
I'm sure someone on the list can get the information for us.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "INFO" <info(at)aircrafttechsupport.com> |
| Subject: | Aluminum treatment |
Hi, Kolbers,
******** We totally agree, and add that you should use Aluma-Dyne Phosphoric
acid etch, if you have older aluminum with surface corrosion, followed by
Aluma-Dyne Conversion coating, before priming with two part epoxy primer.
Jim & Dondi Miller
Aircraft Technical Support, Inc.
Poly-Fiber & Ceconite Distributors
(Toll Free) (877) 877-3334
Web Site: www.poly-fiber.com
www.aircrafttechsupport.com
E-mail: info(at)aircrafttechsupport.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Being careful with the CG |
> I have heard from many people that the 5 rib Original Firestar is not meant
> to have a 503--to much torque--maybe too much speed.
> Dale Seitzer
Dale and Gang:
When I ordered my origianal Firestar I asked for a 447.
Homer Kolb would not sell me one because he felt that it was
more engine than necessary for it. I went ahead and got the
377 and swapped it with Gerry Olenik for a 447. Eventually
wore the Firestar out. Don't know if it was the extra 5 hp
or my style of aviating. Most like my style of flying. ;-)
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Being careful with the CG |
Nice Looking FS,
Congrats.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Watson <Scott(at)disney.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Being careful with the CG
>
>
> Hey guys - you were great with fielding all my last questions!
> (flattery will get you everywhere) I could use help on another:
>
> How do I make sure my CG is the correct place?? I read a horror story
> about someone who moved their seat back and the CG with it and could
> never get the nose down until it stalled and went straight down.
>
> I'm still picking a location for the BRS AND I'm looking at changing
> the fuel tank location.
>
> Is it as simple putting scales under the wheels and doing a little
> math?
>
> I'd hate to end up an interesting but unfortunate story.
>
> -Scott
>
> This Kolb is on an older Firstar that I bought built. If your curious
> here are some pictures -
>
> http://etv.go.com/scott/pic/kolb.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Being careful with the CG |
http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~ransom/BensAlbum/build/a3weight.html
In a message dated 2/7/01 10:38:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Scott(at)disney.com
writes:
> Hey guys - you were great with fielding all my last questions!
> (flattery will get you everywhere) I could use help on another:
>
> How do I make sure my CG is the correct place?? I read a horror story
> about someone who moved their seat back and the CG with it and could
> never get the nose down until it stalled and went straight down.
>
> I'm still picking a location for the BRS AND I'm looking at changing
> the fuel tank location.
>
> Is it as simple putting scales under the wheels and doing a little
> math?
>
> I'd hate to end up an interesting but unfortunate story.
>
> -Scott
>
> This Kolb is on an older Firstar that I bought built. If your curious
> here are some pictures -
>
> http://etv.go.com/scott/pic/kolb.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Being careful with the CG |
Like I said, I never go full throttle.
Dennis
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Being careful with the CG
>
> I have heard from many people that the 5 rib Original Firestar is not
meant
> to have a 503--to much torque--maybe too much speed. They came with the
> 377 and the 447 was the upgrade, the KXP has extra wing ribs and I have
> been told , can handle the 503. The original Firestar is alot different
> than the Firestar II. If I try fast full throttle on mine in wet grass I
> will tip over on the nose--only time I go to quick full throttle is on
> paved runway--otherwise always gradual (3-4 seconds) full throttle.
> Dale Seitzer
>
> Hi Scott,
> I also have an "Original Firestar" that I would like to do a CG check
> on. Got mine about a year ago. I'm bigger than the guy I bought it from
> so
> I was not too worried about being tail heavy if you know what I mean. I
> have the plans but do not have any other specs that tell me how to do the
> weight and balance check on it and what the CG range should be. It fly's
> fantastic, the only problem I have is I can't go full throttle on it
> because
> it came with a 503 DCDI, Dual carb and it is a five rib wing. I was
> looking
> to go to a 447 but everyone talked me out of taking the 503 off. Everyone
> tells me just don't go full throttle. So I don't!
> I'm sure someone on the list can get the information for us.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
I made a computer program for calculating the CG. in MSWorks. I am
attaching it as a file to this.
Julian Warren
Eugene, Oregon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cessna21(at)aol.com |
Do you have the CG program for the kolb twinstar?
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| From: | "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net> |
I believe that there are no attachments to messages sent to the Kolb-List.
Therefore, no one can get it unless e-mailed directly. Send mine to
ron.carroll(at)att.net
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: CG
>
> I made a computer program for calculating the CG. in MSWorks. I am
> attaching it as a file to this.
>
> Julian Warren
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
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| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
Julian,
Could you send it direct to me at djwatson(at)olg.com
Thanks,
Dennis ---
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Warren" <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: CG
>
> I made a computer program for calculating the CG. in MSWorks. I am
> attaching it as a file to this.
>
> Julian Warren
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
Since I've been sitting home sick with a mild, stubborn case of the 'flu
( I guess ) for the past 2 days, you guys are the victims. "Hang
Gliding / Paragliding," and "Seats & Fuel System" are published, as of a
few minutes ago. Seats & Fuel took way more than I
expected.............hope it isn't too long of a download.
Big Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
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| From: | KHe1144783(at)aol.com |
Larry; The eagle has Flown !! Spent 1 1/2 hours on Sat. building time over
North salton sea and La Quinta. Finally put McCreary Tires on it to cure the
square tire problem. Slow cruise was 105 @ 2750 Rpm. and 115 @ 2900
Rpm.normal healthy cruise. Still breaking in the engine so didnt push it much
but it was SMOOTH ! Went from 2000 to 5000 Ft. and just strolled around
enjoying the day. Kris
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| From: | "Mike Lovett" <lovett(at)aerotwin.com> |
| Subject: | Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
Hi folks,
Great list you have here.
I've decided I need to build a Kolb, and am
leaning toward the 582/Slingshot. My own flying
background is 500 hr in a Luscombe 8A, and
another 100 odd in various small GA stuff.
But its been 4 years since I was active.
I wounder if someone with experience in both
(or either, FTM) could kinda run down the
comparison/contrast twixt the SS and the Kolbra.
John H, you've flown both and I've seen that
you find the Kolbra to be the best flying
Kolb yet (other than the Ultra ;). How is it
better than the SS, in your view?
I understand the choice depends a lot on the
type of flying one has in mind. I lean toward
the SS for it's speed and what I would guess
is very sporty handling, but I don't want to
give up gravel-bar capability, nor potential
float capability.
Internal space is not a huge consideration -
the SS is adequate there, I believe, for my needs.
Thanks in advance!
Mike, in balmy Anchorage
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
I lean toward
> the SS for it's speed and what I would guess
> is very sporty handling, but I don't want to
> give up gravel-bar capability, nor potential
> float capability.
> Mike, in balmy Anchorage
Mike and Gang:
Anchorage, Alaska. Not too much difference ;-)
Mike my comments on flying the Kolbra were based on less
than an hour's flight time in the traffice pattern at
Oshkosh last year. Not the best place in the world to fly a
new airplane. However, based on my hours in Kolbs other
models, I was taken to the Kolbra very quickly. It feels a
lot like a good flying MK III, only better. Much more
stable in all three axis's. Performance with a 912, or
912S, would make it a good bush plane and still have decent
cruise, not much slower than the SS. I flew the 582 powered
Kolbra after getting out of my 912S powered MK III. A lot
of power difference. The SS is a fun airplane to fly and
play with. Although I have never flown the SS cross country
more than 50 to 75 miles, I think it is a good XC aircraft.
Short stubby wings and higher wing loading make a more
comfortable airplane in rough air. Plus it has good XC
speed.
Hopefully, I will get more time in the Kolbra soon. I have
no plans of selling my MK III, but if I was going to build a
new Kolb, it would most likely be the Kolbra powered with my
favorite engine, the 912S. Uuuuhhhhhhhhh!!! What a combo.
Going back to my AH-1G Cobra days, I like tandem seating. I
should also mention my Firestar days also. I like sitting
in the center of the aircraft, strap that sucker on and go.
:-)
Since I have very little time in the Kolbra and never landed
it on anything but sod, I can not truthfully comment on its
super rough field, sand bar, bush landing capability. But I
bet it will be a good one.
Take care,
john h
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
Congratulations ! ! ! That means you soloed it, right ?? That must be a
tremendous feeling. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: <KHe1144783(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Web Site
>
> Larry; The eagle has Flown !! Spent 1 1/2 hours on Sat. building time over
> North salton sea and La Quinta. Finally put McCreary Tires on it to cure
the
> square tire problem. Slow cruise was 105 @ 2750 Rpm. and 115 @ 2900
> Rpm.normal healthy cruise. Still breaking in the engine so didnt push it
much
> but it was SMOOTH ! Went from 2000 to 5000 Ft. and just strolled around
> enjoying the day. Kris
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
Nice to know you've got a sense of humor up there in "balmy" anchorage.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Lovett" <lovett(at)aerotwin.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:28 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Great list you have here.
>
> I've decided I need to build a Kolb, and am
> leaning toward the 582/Slingshot. My own flying
> background is 500 hr in a Luscombe 8A, and
> another 100 odd in various small GA stuff.
> But its been 4 years since I was active.
>
> I wounder if someone with experience in both
> (or either, FTM) could kinda run down the
> comparison/contrast twixt the SS and the Kolbra.
>
> John H, you've flown both and I've seen that
> you find the Kolbra to be the best flying
> Kolb yet (other than the Ultra ;). How is it
> better than the SS, in your view?
>
> I understand the choice depends a lot on the
> type of flying one has in mind. I lean toward
> the SS for it's speed and what I would guess
> is very sporty handling, but I don't want to
> give up gravel-bar capability, nor potential
> float capability.
>
> Internal space is not a huge consideration -
> the SS is adequate there, I believe, for my needs.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mike, in balmy Anchorage
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
See what happens when they stick me at home with nothing to do ??
Another page, "Rudder Trim." Once again, hope you all enjoy it. Guess
I'll be starting to slow down a bit now. The easy ones are done.
Creative Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
Well there ya go. Thought I was replying direct, and never even looked.
You guys can bark if you want, but I'd like to say that Kris has been a
lurker on the Kolb List for several years now, and from time to time, has
offered advice and assistance to us, without tooting his own horn. I say,
"Congratulations Again, Kris" for your 1st flight in your Tornado. It's a
beautiful job, and a real nice airplane. Big Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Web Site
>
> Congratulations ! ! ! That means you soloed it, right ?? That must be a
> tremendous feeling. Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KHe1144783(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Web Site
>
>
> >
> > Larry; The eagle has Flown !! Spent 1 1/2 hours on Sat. building time
over
> > North salton sea and La Quinta. Finally put McCreary Tires on it to cure
> the
> > square tire problem. Slow cruise was 105 @ 2750 Rpm. and 115 @ 2900
> > Rpm.normal healthy cruise. Still breaking in the engine so didnt push it
> much
> > but it was SMOOTH ! Went from 2000 to 5000 Ft. and just strolled around
> > enjoying the day. Kris
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | WingManBill2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Mark III Classic for Sale |
Hey folks, I'm bout finished my Mark III Classic project and thinking about
maybe selling if anyone is interested. It's got a Rotax 582 engine with a
3-blade Powerfin Prop, It has the EIS w/ altimeter. Guages include ASI, ALT,
Compass, turn and bank. Also have it fitted with a strobe and landing
lights, Polyfiber covered and painted white. I'm located in the DC metro
area, make me an offer off list at: wingmanbill2(at)aol.com
I've got pictures for those interested! Email with any questions!
___!___
-----------( / )-----------
" "
Bill Johnston Jr
Building Mark III Classic
Harpers Ferry, WV
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
Hi Mike,
A couple things to keep in mind. The positives of the SS are its short span
and length which contribute to a stiffer, more solid feeling aircraft. In
this regard the SS is exceptional. "Tight" and "solid" describe it very
well even in very rowdy conditions. The shorter span and smaller wing area
are great for speed and handling rougher air, but short span aircraft don't
like being over-loaded very much. At 28+ foot span the Kolbra is closer to
the Mark-III in terms of wing area plus it is pretty long. I have flown
some Mark-III's with 27-1/2 to 28 foot spans and they were noticeably more
solid feeling than the standard Mark-III's 30 ft span. But nowhere near the
rock solid feeling the SS had.
But for X-country it is easier to gain more weight than you may have planned
and you may wind up really appreciating the extra wing area when it comes to
rough fields. The 582 will help to keep things lighter, and if a 2-stroke
is in mind a faster cruise can be a big help as far as range and mileage are
concerned.
I think the SS may cruise faster than the 87 mph listed. John Russel, as I
recall, had a 2-blade Warp Drive prop and was getting cruise speeds around
95. John are your listening?
If your heart is set on floats, the Kolbra would be the way to go. But the
gravely beach may not eliminate the SS. The old saying of not landing where
you haven't walked is good advise - except for airports and private strips.
Otherwise you are inviting trouble, esp. when heavy. So how much do you
really plan on landing off-field?
If off-field landings are more a wish than a firm plan, the SS might be your
better choice. I had utmost confidence in the SS no matter what the wind I
found myself it - I always said the SS just laughed at the wind.
Good luck in choosing! It would seem you are picking between two excellent
choices.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Lovett
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra
Hi folks,
Great list you have here.
I've decided I need to build a Kolb, and am
leaning toward the 582/Slingshot. My own flying
background is 500 hr in a Luscombe 8A, and
another 100 odd in various small GA stuff.
But its been 4 years since I was active.
I wounder if someone with experience in both
(or either, FTM) could kinda run down the
comparison/contrast twixt the SS and the Kolbra.
John H, you've flown both and I've seen that
you find the Kolbra to be the best flying
Kolb yet (other than the Ultra ;). How is it
better than the SS, in your view?
I understand the choice depends a lot on the
type of flying one has in mind. I lean toward
the SS for it's speed and what I would guess
is very sporty handling, but I don't want to
give up gravel-bar capability, nor potential
float capability.
Internal space is not a huge consideration -
the SS is adequate there, I believe, for my needs.
Thanks in advance!
Mike, in balmy Anchorage
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| From: | KHe1144783(at)aol.com |
Lar: Yeah about time, huh ? When you start doing your Fly-off time, I can fly
with you to the test area and show you around. Will go there on my next trip.
Kris
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
Have had several of you guys write me off list with questions. Am on vacation and
checking e-mail with laptop and Juno. Will answer Sunday after I get home.
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Morning Gang:
I don't know whether this will make you all feel any better
or not. Out of 9 reported aircraft accidents in this
morning's FAA Accident Briefs, 3 were caused by engine
failures. One of those engine failures was on a twin, which
caused a fatal crash. All were general aviation aircraft.
Just goes to show you that "real" airplane engines also have
problems. Nothing is "bullet proof".
john h
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| From: | sabean(at)ns.sympatico.ca (Tom Sabean) |
| Subject: | Wing Construction |
I'm just starting to build the wing of a Mark111 Xtra and I have a few
questions. I'm planning on building on saw horses and I just want to
confirm that the inboard steel rib will rest on the sawhorse itself.
Same for the outboard aluminum rib?
I also need help with attaching the ribs to the spar.
I can't drill a straight hole through the rib flange because the rib
structure interferes with the drill. Is it a problem if the hole is
drilled at an angle?
Also, is there a sequence to placing the rivets to ensure the rib
doesn't twist during riveting?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've been reading the list for the past
year and have found many helpful tips here.
Tom Sabean
Building Mark111 Xtra
Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From: | Cavuontop(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
In a message dated 2/9/01 8:07:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sabean(at)ns.sympatico.ca writes:
> I can't drill a straight hole through the rib flange because the rib
> structure interferes with the drill. Is it a problem if the hole is
>
Tom:
Here is a trick that I used when building the wings on my Mark three.
First, go out and buy yourself a Roper-Whitney hand punch. It is a super
tool that will put nice clean holes in sheet metal. Just like a hand paper
punch but it has better leverage. It comes with a number of different sized
punches. It was one of the best tool investments I made while building the
Mark 3. Harbor Freight sells a Chinese made copy for about twenty bucks.
Also note that a punched hole is almost always more accurate than a drilled
hole and does not have to be deburred.
The problem you have run into is that the manual wants you to locate
the ribs on the spars first and then mark and drill them. I found that
leaning over the wing to try to mark the rib flanges with a flair pen tended
to displace them, and trying to snap punch the marked rib flanges, especially
from below, was a real strain, and also tended to move them from the place
where I originally set them.
So here is the trick-- set the rib flange on a piece of cardboard and
trace the circle. Cut out the circle and you now have a template. Mark the
locations for the rivets on the paper template. Use the template to put
flair pen markings at the points on the flange where a rivet should go, then
use your hand punch to punch out holes at those positions. Now when you
slide the ribs onto the spar you have convenient starter holes that make
drilling quite a bit easier.
After I had the ribs on the spar and had them all trued up according
to the plans I just went down the line drilling out the top hole in each
flange and dropped in a cleco, that held everything in place nicely and
prevented the rib from shifting while I drilled the other holes. My wings
came out nice and straight.
Good luck.
Mark R. Sellers
Kolb Twinstar Mark III
N496BM
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Wing Construction |
Tom in the builders manual it says to drill one rivet (I believe starting on
the top) on the front side then the same rivet on the back side and
alternate back and forth. If you haven't read that builders manual cover to
cover at least twice than don't drill anymore holes till you do. Don't want
to sound like a jerk but until you have heard the crying sound that a
homebuilder makes when he realizes he's about to have to drill out a few
HUNDRED rivets , just trust me on this one. If you still aren't 100% sure
what your next several steps are then ask this list and surely someone will
give you the low down.
Blue skies and happy drilling.
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)mindspring.com
P.S. You'll love putting the wings together...looks like an AIRPLANE part in
just a little time...then you start putting all the little braces in and all
the flange rivets and you realize that it want happen overnight again and
you just keep pressing on...such is life!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Sabean
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing Construction
I'm just starting to build the wing of a Mark111 Xtra and I have a few
questions. I'm planning on building on saw horses and I just want to
confirm that the inboard steel rib will rest on the sawhorse itself.
Same for the outboard aluminum rib?
I also need help with attaching the ribs to the spar.
I can't drill a straight hole through the rib flange because the rib
structure interferes with the drill. Is it a problem if the hole is
drilled at an angle?
Also, is there a sequence to placing the rivets to ensure the rib
doesn't twist during riveting?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've been reading the list for the past
year and have found many helpful tips here.
Tom Sabean
Building Mark111 Xtra
Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From: | Gdledbetter(at)aol.com |
Kolbsters,
Need to share a real squeaker.
As Duane the Plane reported earlier, I trailered my Firefly to Panacea in
January and have been enjoying the hospitality and pleasure of Duane's
company on local flights. The scenery over the Florida coast is spectacular.
John, who is my ground crew, and I are staying on St. George Island for the
month and went to Panacea on Tuesday so I could do some more flying even tho
Duane had other things on his agenda that day.
After setting up the firefly and doing the preflight, I donned the helmet,
started the engine and proceeded to board the plane. Recollection suggests
that I must have hit the throttle as I clambered aboard and the engine really
accelerated. John was standing there and tried to hold the plane back but
was only able to cause the Firefly to turn and start in a new direction,
DIRECTLY TOWARD THE CAR! I was desperately trying to get the throttle
retarded and was finally able to set both brakes which immediately caused the
Firefly to nose up and give the pitot tube a good bend when the plane
stopped. I was finally able to hit the kill switch.
After the adrenaline bled off, we were able to get out, examine the damage
and determine the problem. The pitot tube had a relatively minor bend and
fortunately, we had missed the car by a good 14 inches. That was worth at
least two aw-shucks.
Examination revealed that the allen screw setting the throttle cable to the
throttle handle had loosened, the cable had advanced the throttle, but
retarding the throttle handle slipped on the cable and DID NOT retard the
throttle at the carburetor causing the engine to continue to do its job of
propelling that Firefly.
Of course, I didn't have that size allen wrench with me but a trip to the
hardware store provided one and resetting the set screw made the needed
repair.
I'm almost embarrassed to report this event but decided that my embarrassment
shouldn't keep me from reporting this problem to other Kolb flyers who might
have the same potential problem lurking with their throttle handle.
I plan on adding a second set screw at 90 to the initial screw for
additional safety at this connection.
Yesterday, I met Duane again and we flew both Fireflys from Panacea back to
Duane's home field in Quincy, FL where we were able to get both Fireflys in
his hangar without having to fold the wings. Duane is going to Europe for 10
days so I will have the pleasure of using his hangar for local flights while
he is away.
I will be returning to Cincinnati in midMarch but plan on returning to Sun N
Fun in April and hope to see a lot of you there.
Gene Ledbetter
Cincinnati, OH
Firefly 00-2-00018, both canopies, big wheels and brakes, Ivo 2 blade
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| From: | "Guy Swenson" <guys(at)rrt.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Sabean <sabean(at)ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Friday, February 09, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing Construction
Tom,
>confirm that the inboard steel rib will rest on the sawhorse itself.
>Same for the outboard aluminum rib?
Set the sawhorses in so the wing rests on the leading and trailing edges
only.
>I can't drill a straight hole through the rib flange because the rib
>structure interferes with the drill. Is it a problem if the hole is
>drilled at an angle?
I purchased an aviation drill bit, it's 6 inches long and can reach the
flange straight in. I got mine at Graingers.
>Also, is there a sequence to placing the rivets to ensure the rib
>doesn't twist during riveting?
Pick a rivet location on each rib flange, drill and rivet or cleco it, do
this for each rib in the same location on each flange, then go to the
opposite side(IE: if you started with the top rivet then go to the bottom
rivet) of the flange and install another rivet or cleco (again on each
flange) always make sure the ribs do not move while you are drilling, duct
tape works very well to hold the flanges in place until they are riveted.
Once you get three rivets or clecos in each flange, the ribs should be
fairly stable and not move around. I used duct tape on the flanges and nylon
zip ties on the leading and trailing edges. I had everything aligned before
I started drilling.
Guy Swenson
MKIII Xtra
Barnesville, MN
>
>
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| From: | ronoy <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
| Subject: | Two aw-shucks, & A Pitot-saver |
Gene's recent tale of using his FireFly's pitot tube as a devining rod
causes me to suggest a remedy---not for nosing over, but for keeping
pitot tubes from permanent bending.
John Yates, late of Old Kolb, put a very short section of flexible clear
poly tubing between the inchlong pitot extending out of the nose and the
remaining 6" tube. Now when anyone accidentally brushes against the
pitot, or when someone tries to snowplow with the nose down, the little
flexible section will bend and spring right back--without permanently
bending the tube, or breaking the nose cone.
Works on all vehicles, except with heated pitots.
bn FF70
pee ess where was the engine kill switch?
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| From: | "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart(at)ncfcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Two aw-shucks, & A Pitot-saver |
One of my few brilliant ideas was after having an ultralight club meet
at
my place while I was building my plane. No less than 3 pilots walked around
the nose and brushed/bent the pitot tube. I came up with an idea that's at
the bottom of http://www.users.ncfcomm.com/challenger/j_d.htm
Works Great and is cheap!
J.D. Stewart
NCF Communications, Inc.
http://www.ncfcomm.com
UltraFun AirSports
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger Owners E-mail list and Website Administrator
http://www.users.ncfcomm.com/challenger
> -
> Gene's recent tale of using his FireFly's pitot tube as a devining rod
> causes me to suggest a remedy---not for nosing over, but for keeping
> pitot tubes from permanent bending.
>
> John Yates, late of Old Kolb, put a very short section of flexible clear
> poly tubing between the inchlong pitot extending out of the nose and the
> remaining 6" tube. Now when anyone accidentally brushes against the
> pitot, or when someone tries to snowplow with the nose down, the little
> flexible section will bend and spring right back--without permanently
> bending the tube, or breaking the nose cone.
>
> Works on all vehicles, except with heated pitots.
>
> bn FF70
>
> pee ess where was the engine kill switch?>
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| From: | "Mike Lovett" <lovett(at)aerotwin.com> |
| Subject: | Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
Thanks, John and Dennis, for the replies.
With regard to off-field landings, it's pretty
common up here, though it might be more appropriate,
in my case, to say 'operations from unimproved strips'.
There are many, many places to land around here that
are definately not airports, but are long/smooth enough
to be frequented by local GA fliers in everything from
150's to Champs (and even 65 hp Luscombes ;). That may
not be what you think of as off-field, but I still
think in GA terms.
Those are the kinds of places I have in mind, though
I'm hoping to be able to do a bit better than I
did with the Luscombe.
It is mandatory that I be able to land anywhere
my friend's Citabria lands! (famous last words?)
With regard to floats, I'm interested but it might
well be a passing interest. If I had lake-front
property that'd be one thing; I don't, so I guess it's
another.
Based on your comments, I'm still thinking SS.
Where's my checkbook?
Mike
PS: Lar, Anchorage HAS been balmy this year! It's
the warmest winter I've seen in my 11 years in
the state.
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| From: | Gdledbetter(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Two aw-shucks, & A Pitot-saver |
Fortunately, the pitot tube is mounted in the plastic tubing extending out
the front of the nosecone.
The kill switch is at the left front edge of the seat. I'm also moving it to
a better location.
Gene
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| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
>I'm planning on building on saw horses and I just want to
>confirm that the inboard steel rib will rest on the sawhorse itself.
>Same for the outboard aluminum rib?
>I also need help with attaching the ribs to the spar.
>I can't drill a straight hole through the rib flange because the rib
>structure interferes with the drill. Is it a problem if the hole is
>drilled at an angle?
It's good to see another Canook on the list and building.
Don't worry about drilling crooked. The tube is thin enough that there
should be minimal problem with the rivit. I rivited my front and rear spars
on first and then did the main spar flange. It keeps every thing aligned on
the spar and the saw horses can be reshimmed for accuracy before you do the
main spar. It would be nice if Kolb would redesign the wing so the front
and rear spars would be 48" apart so a standard 4' level could be used. No
real need to buy a smart level unless you like to spend money. Reading the
bubble is still pretty accurate.
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
It would be nice if Kolb would redesign the wing so the
front
> and rear spars would be 48" apart so a standard 4' level could be used.
Woody and Gang:
Tape the level to a straight piece of wood to span from
front to rear, or whatever gap you need to span and level.
john h
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| From: | "Mike Lovett" <lovett(at)aerotwin.com> |
| Subject: | RE: smart level (was Wing Construction) |
Woody sez:
>No real need to buy a smart level unless you like to spend money.
> Reading the bubble is still pretty accurate.
An acquaintance was building a Glastar, working on the stab.
He had a smart level, which gave hem supreme confidence that
all would be well.
I stopped by when he had finished the stab, and he was real
proud of the nearly negligible 0.2 degree of twist in the
finished surface. He whipped out the ol' 'smart' level to
show me: He set the level core unit on the top of the stab
(a curved surface) at one end, zeroed the level, then moved
it to the other end end...hmmm...now showing 4 degrees off...
he moved the level around on the surface until it showed a
smaller deviation...ah, there! He beamed.
After I showed him a better way to make the measurement, it
turned out that there was nearly 3 degrees twist in the surface
end-to-end.
I hated to bust that bubble, but better he knew the truth. SH
said not to worry 'bout the twist, so all was OK afterall.
Just one of those stories about how those tools aren't always
all that smart, afterall.
Mike
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
Seems like it's warming up all over. My old home in Idaho seldom has the 30
& 40 below weather that used to be common, and seldom has the 3 to 6 ft of
snow. It's almost unheard of now. I'll think "Anchorage" next summer,
when it's 115 down here. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
P.S. The only part of Alaska I've been to is Ketchikan, and Kodiak. Not
too cold, but WET ! ! !
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Lovett" <lovett(at)aerotwin.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra
>
> Thanks, John and Dennis, for the replies.
>
> With regard to off-field landings, it's pretty
> common up here, though it might be more appropriate,
> in my case, to say 'operations from unimproved strips'.
> There are many, many places to land around here that
> are definately not airports, but are long/smooth enough
> to be frequented by local GA fliers in everything from
> 150's to Champs (and even 65 hp Luscombes ;). That may
> not be what you think of as off-field, but I still
> think in GA terms.
>
> Those are the kinds of places I have in mind, though
> I'm hoping to be able to do a bit better than I
> did with the Luscombe.
>
> It is mandatory that I be able to land anywhere
> my friend's Citabria lands! (famous last words?)
>
> With regard to floats, I'm interested but it might
> well be a passing interest. If I had lake-front
> property that'd be one thing; I don't, so I guess it's
> another.
>
> Based on your comments, I'm still thinking SS.
> Where's my checkbook?
>
> Mike
>
> PS: Lar, Anchorage HAS been balmy this year! It's
> the warmest winter I've seen in my 11 years in
> the state.
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry Felts" <nr5a(at)actcom.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Intro, and SS vs. Kolbra |
>> Seems like it's warming up all over. >> Hmm, my friend, come to Rapid
City, SD where its -1 deg at this minute, last night coming home from work
was -13 degs. Didn't get below 0 last year. hee hee Not warm in SD
Jerry
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| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
>
>front
> > and rear spars would be 48" apart so a standard 4' level could be used.
>
>Woody and Gang:
>
>Tape the level to a straight piece of wood to span from
>front to rear, or whatever gap you need to span and level.
>
>john h
Thats what I have allways done but it would be easier if Kolb would
shorten the chord 1 inch so the 48" level would fit on without a helper
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| From: | b young <byoung(at)brigham.net> |
"kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
From: sabean(at)ns.sympatico.ca (Tom Sabean)
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing Construction
Sabean)
I'm just starting to build the wing of a Mark111 Xtra and I
have a few
questions. I'm planning on building on saw horses and I just
want to
confirm that the inboard steel rib will rest on the sawhorse
itself.
Same for the outboard aluminum rib?
this is my 2 cents worth.
i put the main spar and the trailing edge on the sawhorses.
i figured if there was any differences in the inboard rib. (
bad welding ) or outboard rib ( my fault) that the wing
would be straight.. by lining us the main and rear spar it
was easy to make sure the thing was straight.. you could
look past one at the other and see if there was any twist..
( making sure that the top of the two spars were
parrell. this way it also seemed that if there was any
differences from 1 rib to another the wing would be an
average of them all and not twisted because of a bad one.
boyd
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)telepath.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
> It would be nice if Kolb would redesign the wing so the
> front
> > and rear spars would be 48" apart so a standard 4' level could be used.
If during the building phase, why do that when you can use one of
the saw horse kits that use dimension lumber for the legs then just
use whatever width and length of lumber for the top is convenient to
bridge the gap...just level the top and the LE an TE are level with
each other.
If during the setup phase....it's too late.....
J.Baker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ZepRep251(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Look for a manufacture
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| From: | "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> |
Help. I have never been able to set the idle adjustment circuit properly on
my 503 DCDI. Not a very big problem, but annoying. I must adjust the
slides above the adjustment screws in order to establish a smooth idle. My
compression is 117 on both cylinders, #45 idle jets, carburetors just
rebuilt, float level at 1/2 in, and good fuel pressure. When reducing
throttle to idle, it wants to nearly die, then creep back up to idle speed.
My airscrews are set at 1 turn out.
After playing with the adjustment for a year now, I'm no closer to getting
it right. Have used the trouble shooting guide from CPS without positive
results.
SUGGESTIONS?
Dave, El Paso.
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| From: | ZepRep251(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: kolb wing build |
Considering the entire project, you will gain the most satisfaction form the
one you now are undertaking. Level the saw horses after you determine the
distance apart they need to be to center the inboard rib on one and another
rib about 3/4 of the way out. Using cedar shims from the building center
makes leveling the horses easy. Hang cement blocks under the horses to make
them difficult to move accidently.You will make them super straight by
starting with a stable level platform.
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| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Idle Adjustment |
Dave,
What rpm are you trying to idle at?? Mine runs very smooth at 2100 rpm.
It will run terrible at lower rpm's. I know you have been working this
problem for a while, but something is not right if the slides are not
contacting the adjuster screws.
Dennis
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Rains <rr(at)htg.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Idle Adjustment
>
> Help. I have never been able to set the idle adjustment circuit properly
on
> my 503 DCDI. Not a very big problem, but annoying. I must adjust the
> slides above the adjustment screws in order to establish a smooth idle.
My
> compression is 117 on both cylinders, #45 idle jets, carburetors just
> rebuilt, float level at 1/2 in, and good fuel pressure. When reducing
> throttle to idle, it wants to nearly die, then creep back up to idle
speed.
> My airscrews are set at 1 turn out.
> After playing with the adjustment for a year now, I'm no closer to getting
> it right. Have used the trouble shooting guide from CPS without positive
> results.
> SUGGESTIONS?
> Dave, El Paso.
>
>
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| From: | "HD Mitchell" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com> |
Gene Ledbetter and I flew our FireFlys from our temporary base at Ochlockonee Bay
to my home base at Quincy FL last Thursday. The flight was only
~45 miles (with a dogleg around Tallahassee Regional Airport) but it is over the
~100 square mile Apalachee National forest. It is said that there are WWll planes
that went down out there that have not been found to this day. As we were
flying along I looked down and saw only a few US Forest Service firebreak-roads.
At least I wouldn't have to worry about power poles or lines if things got
real quiet. The flight was smooth and everything worked just right. The wind
was 15 mph when we got there and I made a very PIO landing. NOBODY is ever there
when I make those angel's kiss touch-downs but as always the sloppy landing
was witnessed by a full grandstand. Their sympathetic comments were almost unbareable.
That big swamp made me think about surviving lightplane crashes. My emergency kit
(flares, shelter-blanket, bug spray, first aid kit, flashlight and knife) would
be of little use if I was seriously injured. There are several things that
are in my favor. My draggy 9-1 glide ratio gives me about 1 mile of glide for
every 600' of altitude so at 2500' I had about a 4 mile glide range (-150' for
every 180o turn). I could use this range to
pick the best area to attempt a landing. I would have to allow for the wind and
pick the best available piece of fire road. It would be payback day for those
simulated emergency landings we should all be doing. Physics
would also help. When John Hauck refers to those FAA reports they almost
always involve a ton of steel, aluminum, flesh/bone and Avgas hitting the ground
at reletively high speeds. I don't look forward to wearing my Kolb cage like
a full length chastity belt but it would seem logical that my puny 450lbs of
me and my Fly stalling in @ 30mph would have a better chance. More weight more
energy to dissipate.
I'm saving my chute for control failures and then only after all else fails.
Flames Away !!!!
Duane the Plane in Tallahasse FL, FireFly, SN 007, 447, Ivo
er at http://explorer.msn.com
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Idle Adjustment |
If the slides need to be higher than normal, then the engine wants more air
than normal. That would imply that the engine is too rich.
(Surely you do not have your needle jets/clips sitting on top of your nylon
gizmos, do you?)
Many years ago, Rotax shipped some Bing carbs that did not have the notch
cut out of the back of the slide, that is unlikely in your case, but there
should be a 1/8" (approx) square notch cut out of the back of the carb
slide. If you do have the notch already, then I would guess it is too rich,
go to the next smaller idle jet? (And that is just a shot in the dark)
Do you have the intake silencer system? That requires smaller idle jets
sometimes.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Help. I have never been able to set the idle adjustment circuit properly on
>my 503 DCDI. Not a very big problem, but annoying. I must adjust the
>slides above the adjustment screws in order to establish a smooth idle. My
>compression is 117 on both cylinders, #45 idle jets, carburetors just
>rebuilt, float level at 1/2 in, and good fuel pressure. When reducing
>throttle to idle, it wants to nearly die, then creep back up to idle speed.
>My airscrews are set at 1 turn out.
>After playing with the adjustment for a year now, I'm no closer to getting
>it right. Have used the trouble shooting guide from CPS without positive
>results.
>SUGGESTIONS?
>Dave, El Paso.
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Web Site - Again |
Lot's of happenings today ! ! ! Finally started doing preliminary setup
work on the engine electronics, and it looks to me like SDS did a really
nice job of putting things together for me. All connectors are GM
weatherproof snap togethers, all set up so you can't cross connect.
Very nicely done. Even tho' there's a LOT of wires, it went quickly and
smoothly. Lookin' good. Also, Kris came over today, after a session at
Thermal airport with his new toy, and reports that the A&P is working on
Vamoose' tail feathers. Good News. Inspired with ambition after all
that, I built the final - for now - page for my web site. This one is
called "Gull Wing Doors," and if you want to hear Lar cry, here's the
place. Unless anyone can suggest changes, additions, or improvements to
my site - I promise to at least listen - that'll be the last page for a
while. Pretty well up to date now, and don't really want to get into
the engine too much, at least until it's running. That engine is a big
"if," and a lot of people are waiting to see how it does. Me too, you
bet ! ! ! Enjoy, let me know what you think.
Exhausted Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
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| From: | John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
Duane ad Group,
Some things to think about when flying over places that are difficult to get
out of:
Lets assume that thinks went quiet and you survived the landing, how much
would it cost to retrieve your plane? This is what I think about before
flying over such places. The thought of losing my plane upsets me so much
that it keeps me from flying over these places. But protecting my plane, I
protect myself.
You may have thought that you were not alone, and that the other could get
help in an emergency. Did each of you have a GPS so that the other could find
you again? Where you close enough together so that either of you would
notice, right away, if the other went down? I have flown with other planes
and lost sight of them numerous times. Does one mark the spot on the GPS
every time they lose sight? My point is that, even flying with someone else,
they may not know what happened to you. Maybe you had radios so that you
could notify the other of an engine out and report your condition from the
ground, so that he would know what kind of help to bring.
About pulling the chute or not, what kind of trees are in that forest? I've
seen the results of an ultralight (engine out) landing in tall pines, the
pine branches just broke and the plane hit nose down about as hard as if it
had been spun in. The pilot was injured and had to crawl about a mile back to
the runway to get help. No one had seen him go down. I avoid flying over
heavily forested areas, because I feel that an engine out would destroy the
plane if the chute were pulled or not. I think that I would pull the chute
and give myself a chance to walk out.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
SE Wisconsin
HD Mitchell wrote:
>
> Gene Ledbetter and I flew our FireFlys from our temporary base at Ochlock> onee
Bay to my home base at Quincy FL last Thursday. The flight was only
> ~45 miles (with a dogleg around Tallahassee Regional Airport) but it is o> ver
the ~100 square mile Apalachee National forest. It is said that there> are
WWll planes that went down out there that have not been found to thi> s day.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
Duane and Group,
One more though about survival: I have carried a cell phone while flying for the
past 5 years. I got the phone specifically to call for help if my plane went
down. Within the last year I bought an aircraft radio, and I think that it might
be helpful, also. It will work where a cell phone won't.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
SE Wisconsin
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| From: | TCowan1917(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/11/2001 2:01:30 AM Central Standard Time,
kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> ground at reletively high speeds. I don't look forward to wearing my Kol> b cage
like a full length chastity belt but it would seem logical that my> puny 450lbs
of me and my Fly stalling in @ 30mph would have a better cha> nce. More
weight more energy to dissipate.
>
>
Well, if you want to see what happens to a firestar when you have a heart
attack and fall 1400' free fall in a spiral, look at the pics. My buddy lost
it and survived. Messed up his feet which were fixed after time. Pushed in
chest which also healed. Would not wear a helmet which was his downfall.
Caught a branch of a tree accross the temperal area of his head and lost a
lot of brain work. Was wearing a set of earphones but that cut off part of
his ear. Sadly, this friend had another heart attack three years later. The
big one. Will miss him. By the way, this was all two weeks after he
RETIRED. You never know what life is going to do to you. Make the best of
it. Buckle up and put on that helmet. Ted Cowan. p.s. I watched him go
down and through the trees from 1700'. Still can see and hear it. Never get
it out of your head. Love that crome molley cage.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
>
> > It would be nice if Kolb would redesign the wing so the
> > front
> > > and rear spars would be 48" apart so a standard 4' level could be used.
>
>If during the building phase, why do that when you can use one of
>the saw horse kits that use dimension lumber for the legs then just
>use whatever width and length of lumber for the top is convenient to
>bridge the gap...just level the top and the LE an TE are level with
>each other.
It would be a lot easier to keep checking if the level could be put on
at anytime during the construction phase and not remove the wing to check
for levelness of the saw horses if you feel you may have bumped the
sawhorse. Just a little thought to make the building a bit easier.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/10/01 7:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
slyck(at)frontiernet.net writes:
> Thanks to whoever it was posted his weights per wheel recently. GC
> measurements are usually taken with a certain part of the aircraft level
>
Bob,
The Mark III is weighed with the wing at 9 degrees positive incidence.
Steven
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "PFI" <redhill(at)rose.net> |
| Subject: | Spokane, Washington |
John Hauk,
I hope to fly to spokane WA in June for a meeting on June 17-20. I also have a
good friend a few miles from there I plan to give an introductory lesson to try
and hook him on ULs. He will be very impressed if I make it all the way there
in my UL. A couple of UL friends are considering making the trip also. We
hope to leave SW Georgia around June 6th and then leave Washington on the 21st
for the return trip.
When is your departure date for Alaska? Can you email me privately about a recommended
route to go to get to WA. I'd like to go out one route and return another
route to see more states and scenery. I'm also curious about best flying
hours of the day for that month. (6am-10am then 4pm-8pm or whatever the weather
allows?)
anyone else wishing to join up on the way, please let me know (we may first fly
to the Atlantic to depart from the coast and make this a coast to coast trip)
. (Duane the Plane?, Yellowjacket?, Firestar?)
Andy Vann (PFI)
PS: Jim (Yellowjacket), I bought the video camera like yours. How do I wire
it? Only one yellow wire for video marked on the camera, (Use ground wire too?)
One Red for positive, One black for negative 12 volt.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
> I avoid flying over
> heavily forested areas, because I feel that an engine out would destroy the
> plane if the chute were pulled or not. I think that I would pull the chute
> and give myself a chance to walk out.
>
> John Jung
Good Morning John, Duane and Gang:
Duane remembers Seth Mathew's crash just off Quincy,
Florida, airport. Think Seth was flying a Teenie Two (or
something similar) VW powered, lost engine right after
takeoff. His touch down spot happened to be in extremely
tall trees, pines or cypress, then he had a 50 ft fall to
the ground, straight down. Banged him up pretty bad. In
Seth's case, a parachute would probably have prevented his
serious injuries.
My philosophy for emergency parachute use is, first and
foremost, my survival. The last thing on my mind should be
"will the aircraft survive?" The aircraft probably will not
survive. No sweat, I can rebuild or build another, if I
have to. This old body might be a little more difficult to
repair.
Do not forget, you have a ballistic parachute recovery
system on board. Train yourself, practice, until you can
deploy it without thinking. Every split second is in your
favor. You should be able to grab the deployment handle
without looking for it, no matter what configuration you are
in. You may not be in a straight and level attitude. Don't
fly with the safety pin installed.
Have fun, fly safe,
john h
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
Hi Duane and Kolbers,
When going down in trees, I doubt you can make too many generalizations
about survivability. I landed in trees when I failed the wing on the
UltraStar years ago (with some pretty crazy flying). The hand deployed
parachute worked and I made my "landing" in a tree about 12 feet off the
ground. I wasn't even scratched, but when I jumped down and looked back up
at the airplane, there was a large limb right across the seat - I could just
as well have been killed. You don't need much momentum to impale yourself
on a broken limb, your very own momentum is sufficient to do the job, even
without an airplane pushing you. (BTW, that particular UltraStar continued
to fly another day with the replacement of the broken wing and the
recovering of the other wing. Tail got a couple small rips, etc. and was
patched.)
I was not flying over an area with lots of trees at the time of the failure,
but when you decide to use the parachute, you relinquish all your "landing"
options. In this case I was absolutely delighted to land in a tree
considering it was the power lines I was sweating about as I tried to guess
where I would hit. (I missed the power lines by less than 200 feet.)
Use your helmets, I visited the site of a FireStar crash, it was later
determined the pilot was dead of a heart attach before he hit the trees.
His head was crushed by impact with a limb. A helmet could make a pivotal
difference in a similar situation.
Concerning parachutes. I, at one time, would have expressed similar
sediments concerning the use of the chute. The only problem with that
mindset is that it might delay your use of the chute and lose your critical
window of opportunity at a time when you really should use it. I too once
said that I would never use a parachute just because the engine failed. I
don't say that anymore. I was flying a Maxair Rocket in Taiwan and the
engine quit. I was close to the airport; I thought I was withing gliding
range. I think I would have easily reached the runway in anything but what
I was flying. "Rocket" was a usefully descriptive term for the Maxair
Rocket, as the short wing span and high drag resulted in a very low glide
ratio. Not many places to land in Taiwan, there is not much land ... and
all of it is used for something. In this case I made my forced landing in a
quarry off the end of the runway and just about totaled the aircraft.
Basically, my landing option was not an option, it was what appeared to be a
quarry with nothing by random piles of rock. I stretched the glide until
none was left and I then did a free fall the last number of feet and hit a
... you guessed it: a big pile of rocks.
My worst injury was a severely bruised heel which tormented me for the next
half year. Looking back on it, the thought of using the parachute never
once occurred to me in that situation; it should have occurred to me! I
should have used it, If nothing else, just before impact to lessen the blow.
After that, whenever I would fly a plane equipped with a parachute I would
take a bit of time just before take-off to prepare my mind-set: this
airplane has a parachute and I will use it for events even less severe than
a wing failure. I reach for the handle a couple times to make sure my arm
and hand know where the handle is, in case my mind was busy with other
things at the time.
I understand the reasoning that would use a parachute for only catastrophic
failures. Parachutes are a little like airbags, they have the potential to
save, but they also have the potential to injure and kill. Using a
parachute requires knowledge and presence of mind, and the latter is many
times not in abundant supply in emergency situations. I feel it best to be
as informed as possible and then you will be in a better position to decide
what to do when the emergency comes.
Dennis
It would be payback day for those simulated emergency landings we should all be
doing. Physics
would also help. When John Hauck refers to those FAA reports they almost
always involve a ton of steel, aluminum, flesh/bone and Avgas hitting the ground
at reletively high speeds. I don't look forward to wearing my Kolb cage like
a full length chastity belt but it would seem logical that my puny 450lbs of
me and my Fly stalling in @ 30mph would have a better chance. More weight more
energy to dissipate.
I'm saving my chute for control failures and then only after all else fails.
Flames Away !!!!
Duane the Plane in Tallahasse FL, FireFly, SN 007, 447, Ivo
er at http://explorer.msn.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
In a message dated 2/10/01 8:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, mitchmnd(at)msn.com
writes:
> I don't look forward to wearing my Kol> b cage like a full length chastity belt
but it would seem logical that my> puny 450lbs of me and my Fly stalling in
@ 30mph would have a better cha> nce. More weight more energy to dissipate.
>
> I'm saving my chute for control failures and then only after all else fai> ls.
>
> Flames Away !!!!
>
> Duane the Plane in Tallahasse FL, FireFly, SN 007, 447, Ivo
>
I agree with you on "when to use your chute" business, and would even go
almost a whole step farther by suggesting using it only if one of the wings
falls off cause of CRS on the pins....if the elevator goes on mine I have it
trimmed to respond to the throttle for up and down and if the rudder goes...I
can use the ailerons.....but if a control device goes anywhere but neutral
and sticks there....your right....it is chute time!!
GeoR38
ps...see Mitch...shoulda flew mine when you were here
Akron Oh
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Web Site - Again |
In a message dated 2/10/01 11:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com writes:
> . Good News. Inspired with ambition after all
> that, I built the final - for now - page for my web site. This one is
> called "Gull Wing Doors," and if you want to hear Lar cry, here's the
> place.
Your webpage is the GREATEST Lar with a WELL WRITTEN commentary....I even
toyed with the idea of printing it out and reading it at bedtime to the
"grands" sometime....But I didn't see Gull Wing Doors.....
GeoR38
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
>
>In a message dated 02/11/2001 2:01:30 AM Central Standard Time,
>kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
>
For another testimony to the cromemoly cage look at my crash photo of my
flyer. Straight down from 75 ft.. The wheels were buried up to the axels in
the dirt from a 90* impact. The seatbelt was torn in half at the buckle. I
was able to pull the wings off. Store it in a hanger and then drive to the
hospital. Will posted the photos on his site a couple weeks ago. They
should still be there somewhere.
> > ground at reletively high speeds. I don't look forward to wearing my Kol> >
b cage like a full length chastity belt but it would seem logical that my> >
puny 450lbs of me and my Fly stalling in @ 30mph would have a better cha> > nce.
More weight more energy to dissipate.
> >
> >
>
>Well, if you want to see what happens to a firestar when you have a heart
>attack and fall 1400' free fall in a spiral, look at the pics. My buddy lost
>it and survived.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
>. I avoid flying over
>heavily forested areas, because I feel that an engine out would destroy the
>plane if the chute were pulled or not. I think that I would pull the chute
>and give myself a chance to walk out.
I take it you have never visited the factory in London. I remember
getting a ride in Miss P'fer and John showing me how nice it stalled. I
couldn't get over how many trees there were. Only bare spot for miles
around was the spot we took off from. Far cry from my area where an engine
out gets an Aw shit and the main concern for a landing site is how near can
I get it to a farm house so I don't have to walk to far to a phone.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Guy Swenson" <guys(at)rrt.net> |
What Pics???????????????????
-----Original Message-----
From: TCowan1917(at)aol.com <TCowan1917(at)aol.com>
Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 5:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: crash
>
>In a message dated 02/11/2001 2:01:30 AM Central Standard Time,
>kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
>
>
>> ground at reletively high speeds. I don't look forward to wearing my Kol>> b
cage like a full length chastity belt but it would seem logical that
my>> puny 450lbs of me and my Fly stalling in @ 30mph would have a better cha>>
nce. More weight more energy to dissipate.
>>
>>
>
>Well, if you want to see what happens to a firestar when you have a heart
>attack and fall 1400' free fall in a spiral, look at the pics. My buddy
lost
>it and survived. Messed up his feet which were fixed after time. Pushed
in
>chest which also healed. Would not wear a helmet which was his downfall.
>Caught a branch of a tree accross the temperal area of his head and lost a
>lot of brain work. Was wearing a set of earphones but that cut off part of
>his ear. Sadly, this friend had another heart attack three years later.
The
>big one. Will miss him. By the way, this was all two weeks after he
>RETIRED. You never know what life is going to do to you. Make the best of
>it. Buckle up and put on that helmet. Ted Cowan. p.s. I watched him go
>down and through the trees from 1700'. Still can see and hear it. Never
get
>it out of your head. Love that crome molley cage.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Web Site - Again |
I just put it on last night. Checked it again this morning, and it should
go. It's the bottom button on the right side of the "Building Vamoose"
page. Let me know if you still have a problem, cause I'll sure want to take
care of it. Thanks. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Web Site - Again
>
> In a message dated 2/10/01 11:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com writes:
>
>
> > . Good News. Inspired with ambition after all
> > that, I built the final - for now - page for my web site. This one is
> > called "Gull Wing Doors," and if you want to hear Lar cry, here's the
> > place.
>
> Your webpage is the GREATEST Lar with a WELL WRITTEN commentary....I even
> toyed with the idea of printing it out and reading it at bedtime to the
> "grands" sometime....But I didn't see Gull Wing Doors.....
> GeoR38
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
Hey Dennis,
I just happen to have watched the video this morning of you in the
Ultrastar that was tested to destruction. All I can say is you have a big
set. :) Oh, and the Ultrastar is one very capable ultralight.
The other Dennis in MD.
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Souder <flykolb(at)epix.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Crash survival
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MIKE HOUSEWERT <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Mark III For Sale |
Gentlemen (and Ladies),
I am putting my new (used) Mark III up for sale. We are moving to Florida
sooner than expected and I have nowhere (reasonably priced) to store it
while our house is being built. We will be renting until our house is
finished.
Here is the story for those who have not read about it before. I bought the
plane in July 2000 after test fying it with a licenced and experienced Kolb
pilot. The plane then went to The New Kolb Co., who then shipped it to
there quick build licensed airplane builder, Lite Speed Aviation, about 45
minutes away.
Lite Speed aviation proceeded to go through my plane from nose to tail, top
to bottom. They brought everything up to specification, and I had a new BRS
chute installed as well. Anything and everything Lite Speed Aviation
suggested be done to bring this bird up to specification was done.
I then flew the plane with the Lite Speed Aviation master builder/pilot,
Brian. He said "the engine is runs so smooth and the plane fly's
beautifully". We then packed it up and I brought her home in a rental
truck. My bird has been sitting in my barn ever since, November 18, 2000,
as we have had a terrible winter and I have not had an opportunity to do any
flying.
The plane has a total of 89.9 hours on the entire airplane, including
engine.
Specifications: 582 Liquid Cooled Rotax, Warp 3 blade prop, all instruments
including: Altimeter, airspeed, vertical airspeed, RPM's, CHT and EGT
gauges for each cylinder, water temperature, water pressure, compass,
inclinometer, stobes, 12 volt outlet, and electric fuel pump. Also there
are 2 - 5 gallons fuel tanks, both seats have 4 point harnesses, hydralic
brakes (heel type), full enclosure with gull wing doors, dual throttle
controls, Stits fabric, painted white with red and blue stripes.
I paid $15,500.00 for the plane, I added an additional $5,500.00
(approximately) with Lite Speed Aviation, for a total of $21,000.00.
I am asking $20,000.00 for this beauty.
Photos available upon request.
I am leaving for Florida on March 3. If it is not sold by then I will be
moving it to a friends hanger at a local airport and he will continue to
market this plane in my absence.
If you are interested:
Mike Housewert
815-332-3136
815-332-3334
pager 815-296-6003
email = mhousewert(at)earthlink.net
Mike Housewert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
>
>What Pics???????????????????
Will posted these a couple weeks ago. Scroll down to the bottom of the
picture that comes up first and the hit NEXT. There are more pictures and
one of them is my Kolb lawn dart.
Here are some pictures Woody sent me for everyone to see.
Hope this works.
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/Page1.html
Click here
Enjoy,
Will
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Prop balance/vibration |
Hi fellow Kolbers. I am a lurker and don't write much. But I've got a
problem. Or a couple of them. I've installed the Geo/Raven combo on my
Mark III and not being the electrical whiz that I should be it took a
few months to get the wiring harness sorted out. Well, it's been running
for about a month now with about 5hrs on it without a prop. So for the
application has been worth the effort. The motor runs flawlessly. It
starts instantly and runs very smoothly. The redrive and remote oil tank
seem to work great. It is smooth and quiet. Well, when I mounted the IVO
3 blade ground adjustable prop and started doing run ups I got quite a
bit of shaking. I talked to my local Kolb expert and he said that some
shaking is going to occur but I believe I have more than is normal. The
engine sits on lord mounts. Has anyone else experienced this much
shaking after installing an IVO? What sort of things fix this problem?
I've also need some advice on getting current. I've had my concentration
focused on completing the Kolb and now I need to get current. I haven't
been flying for about 15yrs as pilot in command. I could go down to the
local airport and get current in a Cessna 150. This would be fairly
expensive and not give me the experience I need to fly the Kolb,
although it is what I will probably do. Does any one else have some
suggestions? Does the Kolb factory offer this service?
Also, Ive done a real lousy job of documenting my progress. In fact I
will probably document my building by researching my receipts. How
detailed a log is required by the FAA?
Any assistance or ideas from you guys would be appreciated. Jeff Wilde
in Oviedo (Orlando) Fl
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WHAT KOLB IS IT? |
Someone bought a plane that looks almost like a Firestar I we'd like to
identify. Biggest difference is the steel cage is not squared off in the
back but goes back to a point. The aileron torque rods are horizontal. Only
room for one 5 gal. tank. Has a sling seat. Windshield goes all the way to
a bow next to the wing, but isn't very wide. Seems to fly better than FS I.
Has a 503 DCDI and a wood prop. Seven rib wings.
Anyone tell me what he has?
Shack
FS I
SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ZepRep251(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Idle Adjustment |
Do you have the carbs syncronized?Use 2 wood pencils. Stick the eraser end
under the throttle slides. Back out the speed adjustments so they are not in
contact with the slides. Now adjust the cable slack adjusters to remove all
the slack without wiggling the pencils. Run the speed screws in until contact
on both carbs.From here on make all adjustments equal on both carbs.Lightly
bottom the low speed screws and set them an equal amount. You will start and
stop the engine quite a few times before you get the speed you want moving
1/8 turn at a time, but once you get it, it stays put.G.Aman FS2 80Hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | WHAT KOLB IS IT? |
Sounds like the original FireStar.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of HShack(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WHAT KOLB IS IT?
Someone bought a plane that looks almost like a Firestar I we'd like to
identify. Biggest difference is the steel cage is not squared off in the
back but goes back to a point. The aileron torque rods are horizontal.
Only
room for one 5 gal. tank. Has a sling seat. Windshield goes all the way to
a bow next to the wing, but isn't very wide. Seems to fly better than FS I.
Has a 503 DCDI and a wood prop. Seven rib wings.
Anyone tell me what he has?
Shack
FS I
SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WHAT KOLB IS IT? |
Shack,
Sounds to me like your talking about an Original Firestar with seven ribs
(KXP) ?
Dennis,
Original Firestar
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WHAT KOLB IS IT?
>
> Someone bought a plane that looks almost like a Firestar I we'd like to
> identify. Biggest difference is the steel cage is not squared off in the
> back but goes back to a point. The aileron torque rods are horizontal.
Only
> room for one 5 gal. tank. Has a sling seat. Windshield goes all the way
to
> a bow next to the wing, but isn't very wide. Seems to fly better than FS
I.
> Has a 503 DCDI and a wood prop. Seven rib wings.
>
> Anyone tell me what he has?
>
> Shack
> FS I
> SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Prop balance/vibration |
What RPM was the engine running with the prop attached, and what ratio is
the re-drive?
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Prop balance/vibration
Hi fellow Kolbers. I am a lurker and don't write much. But I've got a
problem. Or a couple of them. I've installed the Geo/Raven combo on my
Mark III and not being the electrical whiz that I should be it took a
few months to get the wiring harness sorted out. Well, it's been running
for about a month now with about 5hrs on it without a prop. So for the
application has been worth the effort. The motor runs flawlessly. It
starts instantly and runs very smoothly. The redrive and remote oil tank
seem to work great. It is smooth and quiet. Well, when I mounted the IVO
3 blade ground adjustable prop and started doing run ups I got quite a
bit of shaking. I talked to my local Kolb expert and he said that some
shaking is going to occur but I believe I have more than is normal. The
engine sits on lord mounts. Has anyone else experienced this much
shaking after installing an IVO? What sort of things fix this problem?
I've also need some advice on getting current. I've had my concentration
focused on completing the Kolb and now I need to get current. I haven't
been flying for about 15yrs as pilot in command. I could go down to the
local airport and get current in a Cessna 150. This would be fairly
expensive and not give me the experience I need to fly the Kolb,
although it is what I will probably do. Does any one else have some
suggestions? Does the Kolb factory offer this service?
Also, Ive done a real lousy job of documenting my progress. In fact I
will probably document my building by researching my receipts. How
detailed a log is required by the FAA?
Any assistance or ideas from you guys would be appreciated. Jeff Wilde
in Oviedo (Orlando) Fl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WHAT KOLB IS IT? |
Shack,
I almost forgot, whoever it is also has a great ultralight.
Dennis (the other one)
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WHAT KOLB IS IT?
>
> Someone bought a plane that looks almost like a Firestar I we'd like to
> identify. Biggest difference is the steel cage is not squared off in the
> back but goes back to a point. The aileron torque rods are horizontal.
Only
> room for one 5 gal. tank. Has a sling seat. Windshield goes all the way
to
> a bow next to the wing, but isn't very wide. Seems to fly better than FS
I.
> Has a 503 DCDI and a wood prop. Seven rib wings.
>
> Anyone tell me what he has?
>
> Shack
> FS I
> SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop balance/vibration |
The main thing is to be able to prove that you really are the builder, and
not someone else. As long as you can prove that, you should be OK.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>Also, Ive done a real lousy job of documenting my progress. In fact I
>will probably document my building by researching my receipts. How
>detailed a log is required by the FAA?
>
>Any assistance or ideas from you guys would be appreciated. Jeff Wilde
>in Oviedo (Orlando) Fl
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/Nice%20Landing.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/flyercrash.jpg
http://members.aol.com/TCowan1917/Fcrash1.jpg
In a message dated 2/11/01 11:19:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, guys(at)rrt.net
writes:
> What Pics???????????????????
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> (by way of Matt Dralle 925-606-1001 <dralle(at)matronics.com>) |
Below is a picture of my W-10 project at 780 hrs. JohnD
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Public/frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net/IMG_0071.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Elbie(at)aol.com (by way of Matt Dralle 925-606-1001 <dralle(at)matronics.com>) |
2/9/2001
Fellow Pilots and Builders:
EM aviation is pleased to announce that the RiteAngle III Angle of
Attack system is in production. I know this has been a long, long wait for
some of you, however I will not sell a system that is not up to my standards.
The long delay was partially caused by the total new design required
after the RiteAngle 2000 system was terminated. The remainder of the delay
was insuring the system met all our requirements such as both hot and cold
environment testing. The first production group of systems off the line
are being again extensively tested for approximately 2 weeks before we
deliver any systems to insure there are no "bugs" appearing.
When all production testing is accomplished I will ship according to who
has sent in the order form via fax or US mail. (Again, DO NOT send your
credit card number via e-mail! I DO NOT have a secure e-mail line.)
If you want a spot in line for early delivery you can request this via
e-mail, and mail your check or CC number.
At present time I estimate 4- 10 weeks before your delivery, depending on
when I receive your payment.
To those of you who have been in correspondence with me for the last year,
thanks for your belief in EM aviation's product, and soon you will have a
product in your hands. I honor my correspondence of the quoted price.
Current price $295 + mount & options see web site for information.
www.riteangle.com
Elbie Mendenhall
President
EM Aviation, LLC
P NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie WA 98606
360-260-0772
www.riteangle.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop balance/vibration |
One of the steps I took to prepare for flying my Mk III, ( if ever ) was to
take taildragger lessons in an Aeronca Champ. OK, OK, you guys, it was for
the J-5 in Port Angeles too, but many people told me it would be an
excellent cross-over for the Mk III as well. I'm current and experienced in
the C-150 as well, and I'm here to tell you that the Champ is far more
demanding. You'll learn very quickly to control your inputs. Besides that,
it's a lot of fun, too. Best thing, of course, is another Mk III, or
failing that, something similar, but the Champ was a great experience.
Big Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Prop balance/vibration
getting current. I've had my concentration
> focused on completing the Kolb and now I need to get current. I haven't
> been flying for about 15yrs as pilot in command. I could go down to the
> local airport and get current in a Cessna 150. This would be fairly
> expensive and not give me the experience I need to fly the Kolb,
> although it is what I will probably do. Does any one else have some
> suggestions? Does the Kolb factory offer this service?
>
> Also, Ive done a real lousy job of documenting my progress. In fact I
> will probably document my building by researching my receipts. How
> detailed a log is required by the FAA?
>
> Any assistance or ideas from you guys would be appreciated. Jeff Wilde
> in Oviedo (Orlando) Fl
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
I've been told that some people have to scroll back and forth to read
the pages on my web site. Does anyone else have this problem ?? Can't
it be cured by going to a smaller font, or something ?? Also, some
people don't get the highlighted URL, and can't just click on it. Mine
seems to highlight all URL's. What makes the difference ?? Just for
interest, I've added "http://" to my URL's on the automatic thingie
below. Does that help ?? Puzzled Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Sharp" <mlsharp_1(at)hotmail.com> |
Lar....
The HTTP: below makes all the diff in the world.
The folks with the problem on non hilite links, that is a setting in there
explorer properties. The scroll back and forth is probably due to there
screen size being smaller than the one you made. Not physical screen size,
but screen area, I.E. 800 x 600, 1028 x 768 etc.. you can change this by
right clicking in the desktop and choosing properties then settings....
It's nuttin than you did dude..... you keep on man...
mike
>From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "Kolb"
>Subject: Kolb-List: Problems
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:18:28 -0800
>
>
>I've been told that some people have to scroll back and forth to read
>the pages on my web site. Does anyone else have this problem ?? Can't
>it be cured by going to a smaller font, or something ?? Also, some
>people don't get the highlighted URL, and can't just click on it. Mine
>seems to highlight all URL's. What makes the difference ?? Just for
>interest, I've added "http://" to my URL's on the automatic thingie
>below. Does that help ?? Puzzled Lar.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, Ca.
>Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
>http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Mark III For Sale |
| From: | MIKE HOUSEWERT <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net> |
Jim Ballenger,
I have tried 3 times to send you photos, and once just an email and all have
come back as "unknown address". I am sending them to
JamesBallenger(at)gateway.net. Is this correct?
I am attaching 3 photos of my plane. Hope this works.
Mike H.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Sudlow" <suds77(at)telocity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
Dennis,
I'll pay you to send me a copy of that video. I've been trying to get a look
at that for about 5 years now. I'll copy it for you, whatever. Let me know.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Watson <djwatson(at)olg.com>
Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash survival
>
>Hey Dennis,
> I just happen to have watched the video this morning of you in the
>Ultrastar that was tested to destruction. All I can say is you have a big
>set. :) Oh, and the Ultrastar is one very capable ultralight.
>
>The other Dennis in MD.
>http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dennis Souder <flykolb(at)epix.net>
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:10 AM
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Crash survival
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
Hi Chris!
It's really only a couple of min. at the end of one of the Kolb
advertising videos it's labeled "History", it does not show the actual
destruction but it does show Dennis doing some really fantastic stuff in the
Ultrastar. It shows the twin recording "G" meters also. I would be happy
to send you a copy of the tape, might take me a week or so to make the copy,
my second VCR is out of commission. Send me your address off list.
Dennis
(Original Firestar) and I also love the Rans aircraft.
P.S. I had the video on at our club meeting last night, it's fun to mess
with my good friend and partner in crime, he's a Rans Dealer and I'm in
charge of Sales and Marketing. He He
Dennis
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Sudlow" <suds77(at)telocity.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash survival
>
> Dennis,
>
> I'll pay you to send me a copy of that video. I've been trying to get a
look
> at that for about 5 years now. I'll copy it for you, whatever. Let me
know.
>
> Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
In a message dated 2/11/01 3:14:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, djwatson(at)olg.com
writes:
> Hey Dennis,
> I just happen to have watched the video this morning of you in the
> Ultrastar that was tested to destruction. All I can say is you have a big
> set. :) Oh, and the Ultrastar is one very capable ultralight.
>
> The other Dennis in MD.
> http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis Souder <flykolb(at)epix.net>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:10 AM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Crash survival
>
Hey Dennis....what a GREAT WEBSITE you have and the picture of Randy Settle
by his blue hyperlite...awesome! What engine is in it...it goes pretty dad
blamed good even on a 277 ..someone here had one,....couldn't believe it!
And that picture of a beautifully painted original firestar (5 rib) same as
mine...in downloaded as my wallpaper...neeto buddy!
GeoR38
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| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
GeoR38
What is the URL for that web site??
Dennis (In MD)
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash survival
>
> In a message dated 2/11/01 3:14:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
djwatson(at)olg.com
> writes:
>
>
> > Hey Dennis,
> > I just happen to have watched the video this morning of you in the
> > Ultrastar that was tested to destruction. All I can say is you have a
big
> > set. :) Oh, and the Ultrastar is one very capable ultralight.
> >
> > The other Dennis in MD.
> > http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dennis Souder <flykolb(at)epix.net>
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:10 AM
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Crash survival
> >
>
> Hey Dennis....what a GREAT WEBSITE you have and the picture of Randy
Settle
> by his blue hyperlite...awesome! What engine is in it...it goes pretty dad
> blamed good even on a 277 ..someone here had one,....couldn't believe it!
> And that picture of a beautifully painted original firestar (5 rib) same
as
> mine...in downloaded as my wallpaper...neeto buddy!
> GeoR38
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 2/12/01 3:20:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com writes:
> I've been told that some people have to scroll back and forth to read
> the pages on my web site. Does anyone else have this problem ?? Can't
> it be cured by going to a smaller font, or something ?? Also, some
> people don't get the highlighted URL, and can't just click on it. Mine
> seems to highlight all URL's. What makes the difference ?? Just for
> interest, I've added "http://" to my URL's on the automatic thingie
> below. Does that help ?? Puzzled Lar.
>
> Larry, I have the scrolling problem too but I think it is due to my scotch
> blood...I'm too CHEAP to buy a SVGA monitor instead of the ol VGA that I
> have.
> You can't solve all the problems for all of us!...especially the pecuniary
> ones.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Crash survival |
In a message dated 2/12/01 9:27:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
suds77(at)telocity.com writes:
> I'll pay you to send me a copy of that video. I've been trying to get a look
> at that for about 5 years now. I'll copy it for you, whatever. Let me know.
>
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Watson <djwatson(at)olg.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash survival
>
>
> >
> >Hey Dennis,
> > I just happen to have watched the video this morning of you in the
> >Ultrastar that was tested to destruction. All I can say is you have a big
> >set. :) Oh, and the Ultrastar is one very capable ultralight.
> >
> >The other Dennis in MD.
>
me too.... just send me a bill....
GeoR38(at)aol.com
George Randolph
585 lindell St
Akron, Oh 44305
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Chilli vest testimonial |
If you don't have a Chili vest you can use hand and toe warmers used by
skiers and hunters.
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/hand.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/toe.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/toe.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/hand.jpg
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pucker Factor |
As I was starting to touch the runway a gust of wind was pushing me towards a
runway light. At the time I didn't realized I was holding the stick so hard
I depressed the PTT button while I was busy trying to keep the FS centered on
the runway.
Oops
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
In a message dated 2/12/01 9:24:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, rr(at)htg.net
writes:
> Sunday, Will and I went flying and ended up at Las Cruces International.
> Received a warm welcome from the local UL & EAA community, had a very nice
> lunch and departed for home territory. The wind had been increasing
> steadily all day, and as we approached Will's home field, was gusting to
> 15kts crosswind. I landed first without incident and as I was shutting
> down, heard very clearly over the unicom, S___ !!! All eyes immediately
> turned toward the approaching UL, the FBO jumped into his truck and headed
> toward the runway, only to find Will taxing toward the terminal. Everyone
> then went about their business. I mentioned to Will at his hanger that
> perhaps he should be more careful with his radio procedures. He looked
> somewhat surprised, until I mentioned the utterance. AT some point during
> his flair, every muscle in his body tensed, he inadvertently pushed the push
> to talk button, and..........
> All had a good laugh with the FBO afterwards.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com> |
| Subject: | Chilli vest testimonial |
I tried some battery powered socks single D size battery in each and I
could not tell they were working until I got back in my car and the heater
warmed up. Dale Seitzer
-----Original Message-----
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Chilli vest testimonial
If you don't have a Chili vest you can use hand and toe warmers used by
skiers and hunters.
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/hand.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/toe.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/ai
rplane/toe.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/a
irplane/hand.jpg
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net> |
Well, I found out why the IVO caused the engine to shake so. I'm too
embarrassed to say. Thanks for your help. My local Kolb expert informed
me that Kolb A/C might be able to get me current up in KY. I zipped them
an E Mail and am waiting for their reply. Thanks for the documentqtion
hints as well. I have plenty of pictures. Jeff in Oviedo.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kottke, Dwight" <dkottke(at)scherping.carlisle.com> |
| Subject: | Chilli vest testimonial |
Fellow Kolb people, I have removed the wings off of my Firestar, when I put
them back on I would like to replace the pins with bolts. What do you all
suggest I use?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Seitzer [mailto:dale(at)gmada.com]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Chilli vest testimonial
I tried some battery powered socks single D size battery in each and I
could not tell they were working until I got back in my car and the heater
warmed up. Dale Seitzer
-----Original Message-----
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Chilli vest testimonial
If you don't have a Chili vest you can use hand and toe warmers used by
skiers and hunters.
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/hand.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/toe.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/ai
rplane/toe.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/a
irplane/hand.jpg
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: prop balance |
Come on Jeff, you got to tell us. Is it possible to put a IVO on
backwards?? Friend of mine did that on his Quick, couldn't figure out why
he could hold the plane back with his feet when he was at full throttle.
Lesson learned.
Dennis
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: prop balance
>
> Well, I found out why the IVO caused the engine to shake so. I'm too
> embarrassed to say. Thanks for your help. My local Kolb expert informed
> me that Kolb A/C might be able to get me current up in KY. I zipped them
> an E Mail and am waiting for their reply. Thanks for the documentqtion
> hints as well. I have plenty of pictures. Jeff in Oviedo.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Chilli vest testimonial |
Don't use anything but an "AN" bolt of the proper size.
Dennis
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kottke, Dwight" <dkottke(at)scherping.carlisle.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Chilli vest testimonial
>
> Fellow Kolb people, I have removed the wings off of my Firestar, when I
put
> them back on I would like to replace the pins with bolts. What do you all
> suggest I use?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale Seitzer [mailto:dale(at)gmada.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:24 PM
> To: 'kolb-list(at)matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Chilli vest testimonial
>
>
> I tried some battery powered socks single D size battery in each and I
> could not tell they were working until I got back in my car and the heater
> warmed up. Dale Seitzer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:31 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Chilli vest testimonial
>
>
> If you don't have a Chili vest you can use hand and toe warmers used by
> skiers and hunters.
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/hand.jpg
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/toe.jpg
>
> HREF="http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/toe.jpg">http://home.elp.rr.com/ai
> rplane/toe.jpg
> HREF="http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/hand.jpg">http://home.elp.rr.com/a
> irplane/hand.jpg
>
> Regards,
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop balance/vibration |
Hi Jeff,
Did you figure out your vibration problem? What kind of prop were you using
before the Ivo? From what I've heard, Ivo is the prop recommended by Raven.
Bill Griffin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop balance/vibration |
Oops! Reread the note and see that you hadn't had a prop on it yet. Sorry.
Must be a balance problem.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry" <tswartz(at)hydrosoft.net> |
Watch for this one. It came to me today.
subject: Here you have , ;o
attachment: AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
Do no open the attachment.
Terry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Sharp" <mlsharp_1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Folks,
I have aquired some lexan that had Duct Tape on the edges for protection. It
has been on for a while, the goo from the tape is stuck to the lexan. Any
ideas on what to use to get the goo off??????
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: prop balance |
backwards ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/12/01 4:14:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tswartz(at)hydrosoft.net writes:
<< AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs >>
its just a nudy pic!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
| Subject: | Center of Gravity |
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim tab |
| From: | erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com |
02/12/2001 05:36:59 PM
Hey Gang - someone straighten me out here.
I want to stick a trim tab on the rudder of my Mrk III with the new 912S.
I, like others, needed a fair amount of right rudder on take-off with the
old 912. I am expecting even more will be necessary with the 912S.
Anyway, I checked a trim tab plan sheet from Dennis at Old Kolb, and was
surprised to see that it indicated the rudder trim tab for a 912-equipped
vehicle should be deflected to the left. To be specific, it shows the trim
tab deflected to the right in the picture, but says that is for 2-strokes,
and the deflection would be opposite for a 912. This doesnt seem correct.
Lets see, right pedal deflects the rudder to the right, causing more air
resistance on that side, which in turn rotates (yaws) the plane toward the
right. So, my logic tells me to install a trim tab that is deflected to
the right, not left. No?
Erich Weaver
erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Timandjan(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
I find that the citrus based Goo Gone, Goo off (something like this) works
wonders on a lot. And it seems to be harmless on the finishes that I have
tried.
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder trim tab |
So, my logic tells me to install a trim tab that is
deflected to
> the right, not left. No?
>
> Erich Weaver
Erich and Gang:
Stand at the rear of the airplane, facing forward. The trim
tab is deflected to the left. The trim tab pushes the
rudder to the right, swings tail to left and nose to the
right. Am I confusing you??? 912 and 912S trim tab to
left, two strokes trim tab to the right.
Look in the Kolb Archives. I posted the size and deflection
of my trim tab I experimented with and did the final
installation last May 2000. If you can't find the post, let
me know and I will go measure mine plus the amount of
deflection in degrees.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Try it on a scrap 1st ! ! ! ! ! When I had the huge problem with my lexan
protective paper last year, a neighbor gave me some stuff in the same
category, and it damaged the surface of the lexan. FYI Wiser
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timandjan(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan
>
> I find that the citrus based Goo Gone, Goo off (something like this) works
> wonders on a lot. And it seems to be harmless on the finishes that I have
> tried.
>
> Tim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Hi Gang:
Jim and Dondi Miller have some stuff that works real good on
lexan, paint, polytone, you name it. It is Poly Fiber Paint
Cleaning Solvent. I have been using it since day one with
excellent results. A gal can will last a long time, but it
is worth it and it is good to have around the shop. It
loves to eat tape goo, all kinds, tar, stains, and all that
kind of stuff we don't want on our pretty little airplanes.
Official title of this stuff is:
Paint Cleaning Solvent: C-2210
Brochure mentions it is also good for getting stains out of
carpets; grease, oil, etc. Nothing about stains on blue
dresses though. :-)
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: rudder trim tab |
No Erich , The trim tab will deflect the rudder to right if it is
deflected the left itself, Just think about it for a min. the trim tab
being to the left ,, the air flow will push it and the rudder the other
way...
Richard Harris MK3 912 N912RH
>
>
> Hey Gang - someone straighten me out here.
>
> I want to stick a trim tab on the rudder of my Mrk III with the new 912S.
> I, like others, needed a fair amount of right rudder on take-off with the
> old 912. I am expecting even more will be necessary with the 912S.
>
> Anyway, I checked a trim tab plan sheet from Dennis at Old Kolb, and was
> surprised to see that it indicated the rudder trim tab for a 912-equipped
> vehicle should be deflected to the left. To be specific, it shows the trim
> tab deflected to the right in the picture, but says that is for 2-strokes,
> and the deflection would be opposite for a 912. This doesnt seem
correct.
> Lets see, right pedal deflects the rudder to the right, causing more air
> resistance on that side, which in turn rotates (yaws) the plane toward the
> right. So, my logic tells me to install a trim tab that is deflected to
> the right, not left. No?
>
>
> Erich Weaver
> erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ronoy <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
WD-40 or light oil, even salad oil may loosen the stuff. Be very careful
not to scrape except with something soft, like a tonque depresser well
soaked in oil to make it soft.
bn
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It's Hard To Be Humble When You Have A Kolb |
Kolbers,
As I was reading about all the beautiful flying by these wonderful
Kolbs, I thought I'd share about this Saturday's Dunnelon FL Flyin.
But 1st, Merle your story was dejavu for me. At that same FL Flying
Gators field I learned my lesson about those sucker holes in the mid
'80s. The fog burned off about 9:30am & the ceiling was 300ft with blue
holes scattered around. I eagerly took off & poked up thru one of them.
The most stunning picture was burned into my memory. The earth
suddenly was covered with a billowing blanket of white fluff as far as I
could see. I played around skimming the tops then climbed another 100ft
to see the morning sun reflecting off the lakes & back up thru other
holes. I was intoxicated with the beauty & actually felt like screaming
"Wow!" or something stupid, but I didn't dare break the profound
solitude and deep sense of solidarity with nature & God. The Ultimate
Artist was creating the ultimate picture & I was the only one who would
ever see it. My stupor turned to sober when I realized the few holes
that were left were now too small to fly through. Then it occured to me
that I wasn't all that sure of were the field was & it was not my home
turf. I flew south a few minutes to make sure I wasn't near the tower
close to the field & proceeded to circle in a slow climb hoping to find
a hole. I decided then that I would not attempt to fly thru the clouds,
but would circle untill I had 15 minutes of fuel left & then do an
elevator desent. I had my UltraStar then & I modified its huge barn
door airlerons to flaperons that could retract 45 degrees. If I did
that with 3500rpm & full back stick she would mush almost straight down
& never drop a wing. I did that often to lose altittude fast. Well,
the old Artist heard my prayer & I did find a hole to get down thru & I
found the field with no problem. Before that day, I never understood
why those inviting things were called sucker holes.
Back to last Saturday's flyin: There was a nice variety of aircraft
represented, a Kitfox, 2 Tierras, a Dragonfly tug, a Chinook, a rotory
engine Challanger, a Flightstar, a dual surface/airleron MX, an early
Quicksilver clone, 2 beautiful trikes & my kind of ugly dirty off white
SlingShot. I trailored in late & wasn't setup till 9:30. By then the
wind really picked up. While I was setting up, the Flightstar went up &
came back down. Nobody was flying or even talking about it. The events
were cancelled & it was decided that all would just enjoy each other's
company & planes. After an hour, I had all the enjoyment I could handle
& figured it would be a good time to practice cross wind landings. The
wind was gusty, 15-20mph, & right down runway 23. I chose to use 27 to
"hone" (this word proved a little too optimistic of a discription.) my
skill level. There was a tree line upwind that added a little spice
with its occational rotors.
I confidently saddled up in my new mount, checked out the radio, put
on my fighter pilot sunglasses & cranked up the ol SeaDoo motor. I have
one of those nifty tailwheels that can unlock & swivel 360. The spring
links are not strong enough to pull it back straight when its swiveled
past its locking point. So when I gave her the go juice I just did a
360 donut, pivoting around the left tire. Everyone was watching the
only plane moving of course. I pretended as best as I could that I
wanted to do that & went on my way to 27.
BTW, this did not look nearly as stupid as the time at another flyin
my buddy asked me if the brakes were strong enough to hold the plane &
let the nose tip over. We were in my old MkII, on a grass field with no
one else but us to look at. Without a lot of deep thought, I said lets
see. I held the brake & gently increased the throttle while giving it
forward stick. Slowly the tail raised. I figured I would let her keep
going till she pointed down a little & then gradually throttle back till
the tail was back on the ground. I didn't figure on the ground cg
carrying us over once we got to the balancing point. Suddenly we were
hanging by our seat belts, looking at the grass in front of us as the
nose rested on the ground. I backed off the power & it just stayed in
that stupid posture, with the tail pointing to the sky & 2 stupid guys
looking at the ants in the grass. I will admitt that we were seriously
discussing what the crowd of people were thinking about us. Now if my
buddy got out, the plane would probably fall down hard & bend the tail
wheel. If he didn't get out, our present level of unacceptable
humiliation would not come to an end. We agreed to try a never before
attempted manuver. I applied a brisk amount of throttle & he hung out
the canopy & put one leg on the ground, then I gradually let off the the
throttle as the tail began to fall back down & when he pulled his leg
off the ground I gave it more throttle & gently let it down all the way.
We immediately took off & rather than face those people's questions, we
decided to continue on home.
Anyway, back to the Dunnelon Flyin. Take off was uneventful accept
for the fact the the needles on my VSI & Altimeter were bouncing about 1
1/4 of an inch. I did a short pattern, climbed to 300ft, turned
crosswind & climbed to 500ft, turned downwind, reduced power to 3/4,
released flaperons, announce a short base & final to 27 for a touch &
go, put in 3/4 flaps on finial appoach, cut power to 3000, & setup
descent for 50mph with room to land short if engine quits. Without
rudder, I was crabbing about 40 degrees to maintain runway alignment.
The landing was a lot harder than I anticipated. I was told it
looked like my SlingShot mount was a bucking bronco. Every time she
bucked, I slid closer to the runway lites. I kept telling my hand to
relax but it would not listen to me in the least. The bucking would not
stop so I said adios to the approaching lites with a full throttle. I
did this for 50 minutes straight. After the 3rd time, I held my course
on the runway & was not porpoising. After about 30 minutes I wasn't
bouncing, I was keeping one wheel on the ground & its wing lowered into
the wind. By the end of the 50 minutes, I was trying different flaperon
settings & could easily bring the tail down to the ground & maintain
control. It was a great feeling to reconquer that part of the learning
curve. It was well worth looking a little bit stupid.
On my 1st touch & go (Where I touched & went about 8 times), Greg, a
flight instructor, was told by a bystander, "I'll bet after that
bouncing run at it, he will put it down & stay down." Greg replied, "If
he's like me he'll say, that was so aweful I have to do at least one
more just to show them that I'n not that bad. I won't say I din't think
that thought, but I will say it is hard to be humble when you have a
Kolb, the wind is up , & you want to fly! ...Richard
Swiderski
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Its Hard To Be Humble When You Have A Kolb... |
Kolbers,
As I was reading about all the beautiful flying by these wonderful
Kolbs, I thought I'd share about this Saturday's Dunnelon FL Flyin.
But 1st, Merle your story was dejavu for me. At that same FL Flying
Gators field I learned my lesson about those sucker holes in the mid '80s.
The fog burned off about 9:30am & the ceiling was 300ft with blue holes
scattered around. I eagerly took off & poked up thru one of them. The most
stunning picture was burned into my memory. The earth suddenly was covered
with a billowing blanket of white fluff as far as I could see. I played
around skimming the tops then climbed another 100ft to see the morning sun
reflecting off the lakes & back up thru other holes. I was intoxicated with
the beauty & actually felt like screaming "Wow!" or something stupid, but I
didn't dare break the profound solitude and deep sense of solidarity with
nature & God. The Ultimate Artist was creating the ultimate picture & I was
the only one who would ever see it. My stupor turned to sober when I
realized the few holes that were left were now too small to fly through.
Then it occured to me that I wasn't all that sure of were the field was & it
was not my home turf. I flew south a few minutes to make sure I wasn't near
the tower close to the field & proceeded to circle in a slow climb hoping to
find a hole. I decided then that I would not attempt to fly thru the
clouds, but would circle untill I had 15 minutes of fuel left & then do an
elevator desent. I had my UltraStar then & I modified its huge barn door
airlerons to flaperons that could retract 45 degrees. If I did that with
3500rpm & full back stick she would mush almost straight down & never drop a
wing. I did that often to lose altittude fast. Well, the old Artist heard
my prayer & I did find a hole to get down thru & I found the field with no
problem. Before that day, I never understood why those inviting things were
called sucker holes.
Back to last Saturday's flyin: There was a nice variety of aircraft
represented, a Kitfox, 2 Tierras, a Dragonfly tug, a Chinook, a rotory
engine Challanger, a Flightstar, a dual surface/airleron MX, an early
Quicksilver clone, 2 beautiful trikes & my kind of ugly dirty off white
SlingShot. I trailored in late & wasn't setup till 9:30. By then the wind
really picked up. While I was setting up, the Flightstar went up & came
back down. Nobody was flying or even talking about it. The events were
cancelled & it was decided that all would just enjoy each other's company &
planes. After an hour, I had all the enjoyment I could handle & figured it
would be a good time to practice cross wind landings. The wind was gusty,
15-20mph, & right down runway 23. I chose to use 27 to "hone" (this word
proved a little too optimistic of a discription.) my skill level. There was
a tree line upwind that added a little spice with its occational rotors.
I confidently saddled up in my new mount, checked out the radio, put on
my fighter pilot sunglasses & cranked up the ol SeaDoo motor. I have one of
those nifty tailwheels that can unlock & swivel 360. The spring links are
not strong enough to pull it back straight when its swiveled past its
locking point. So when I gave her the go juice I just did a 360 donut,
pivoting around the left tire. Everyone was watching the only plane moving
of course. I pretended as best as I could that I wanted to do that & went
on my way to 27.
BTW, this did not look nearly as stupid as the time at another flyin my
buddy asked me if the brakes were strong enough to hold the plane & let the
nose tip over. We were in my old MkII, on a grass field with no one else
but us to look at. Without a lot of deep thought, I said lets see. I held
the brake & gently increased the throttle while giving it forward stick.
Slowly the tail raised. I figured I would let her keep going till she
pointed down a little & then gradually throttle back till the tail was back
on the ground. I didn't figure on the ground cg carrying us over once we
got to the balancing point. Suddenly we were hanging by our seat belts,
looking at the grass in front of us as the nose rested on the ground. I
backed off the power & it just stayed in that stupid posture, with the tail
pointing to the sky & 2 stupid guys looking at the ants in the grass. I
will admitt that we were seriously discussing what the crowd of people were
thinking about us. Now if my buddy got out, the plane would probably fall
down hard & bend the tail wheel. If he didn't get out, our present level of
unacceptable humiliation would not come to an end. We agreed to try a never
before attempted manuver. I applied a brisk amount of throttle & he hung
out the canopy & put one leg on the ground, then I gradually let off the the
throttle as the tail began to fall back down & when he pulled his leg off
the ground I gave it more throttle & gently let it down all the way. We
immediately took off & rather than face those people's questions, we decided
to continue on home.
Anyway, back to the Dunnelon Flyin. Take off was uneventful accept for
the fact the the needles on my VSI & Altimeter were bouncing about 1 1/4 of
an inch. I did a short pattern, climbed to 300ft, turned crosswind &
climbed to 500ft, turned downwind, reduced power to 3/4, released flaperons,
announce a short base & final to 27 for a touch & go, put in 3/4 flaps on
finial appoach, cut power to 3000, & setup descent for 50mph with room to
land short if engine quits. Without rudder, I was crabbing about 40 degrees
to maintain runway alignment.
The landing was a lot harder than I anticipated. I was told it
looked like my SlingShot mount was a bucking bronco. Every time she bucked,
I slid closer to the runway lites. I kept telling my hand to relax but it
would not listen to me in the least. The bucking would not stop so I said
adios to the approaching lites with a full throttle. I did this for 50
minutes straight. After the 3rd time, I held my course on the runway & was
not porpoising. After about 30 minutes I wasn't bouncing, I was keeping one
wheel on the ground & its wing lowered into the wind. By the end of the 50
minutes, I was trying different flaperon settings & could easily bring the
tail down to the ground & maintain control. It was a great feeling to
reconquer that part of the learning curve. It was well worth looking a
little bit stupid.
On my 1st touch & go (Where I touched & went about 8 times), Greg, a
flight instructor, was told by a bystander, "I'll bet after that bouncing
run at it, he will put it down & stay down." Greg replied, "If he's like me
he'll say, that was so aweful I have to do at least one more just to show
them that I'n not that bad. I won't say I din't think that thought, but I
will say it is hard to be humble when you have a Kolb, the wind is up , &
you want to fly! ...Richard Swiderski
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| From: | "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | ok, ok, prop balance. |
After reading Richard Swiderski's hilarious recount of looking at the
ants with the tail up in the air I guess I can confide in you guys with
my recent experience with the IVO prop shaking the engine. Maybe it will
help some one else in the future. After attaching the first two blades
correctly I put the third one on backwards. It just came to me last
night when I got to thinking about stuff that I might have done this. I
was so intent on getting everything lined up I missed the obvious. I
went back to the plane and sure enough, I put one on backwards. Funny
thing though, I thought I was getting pretty good thrust with the blades
messed up. I hope to get the blade turned around tommorrow and try
again. I'll let everyone know. Jeff in Oviedo
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| From: | John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com> |
Guys,
I don't care if it is a hoax or not, it is not Kolb related.
John Jung
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| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
| Subject: | Cdnter of Gravity |
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| From: | "Peter Volum" <PVolum(at)etsmiami.com> |
Ditto.
PV
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: virus alert
Guys,
I don't care if it is a hoax or not, it is not Kolb related.
John Jung
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| From: | "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Sport Pilot and Light-Sport Aircraft |
FYI This is information you may want to publish in your newsletter. Feel
free to use it.
On Feb. 9th and 10th at the Airsports Expo in Indianapolis, I had
the privilege to be part of a private briefing by the FAA to the USUA staff
on the current state of the Sport pilot program. It must be noted that
because of Ex Parte laws they could not address specific details, i.e. what
is the min. number of training hours to receive the Sport pilot rating etc.
and other like questions, but did speak very openly about the general
direction the project was heading. On several points those present voiced
objection to what we were told, and their response was that the community
needed to express those objections in writing during the comment period.
AIRMAN CERTIFICATION
Mr. Mike Henry of FAA made the presentation on Airman certification
issues. The FAA expects that in the first two years of Sport pilot there
will be 1,000 new Sport pilot instructors, 15,000 new Sport pilots, and from
15,000 to 20,000 new vehicles to be N-numbered. He stated that while the
Dept. of Transportation had not approved the Sport pilot program, the most
important aspect of it, the D.L. medical, had been discussed with them and
it appears at this time that the DOT does not have objection to using it as
the medical standard for Sport pilot. From the time that Sport pilot becomes
rule, registered ultralight pilots would have a 24 month window of
opportunity during which the FAA will accept their documented hours of
instruction as meeting the required training hours of the sport pilot
certificate. However their solo hours of experience as a ultralight pilot
prior to becoming a Sport pilot will not be carried over or count toward a
higher ratting. In addition to meeting the time requirements, the applicant
will have to take a aeronautical knowledge test administered by a approved
FAA testing center, and pass a flight test administered by a FAA Designated
Pilot Examiner (DPE).
The Sport pilot rating will allow the holder to fly fixed wing, glider,
lighter-than-air, powered parawing, and weight shift vehicles. Rotorcraft
will be excluded from being operated under the Sport pilot certificate. The
stated reason was because of the higher number of moving parts and
complexity. A pilot must be 16 years old to solo and hold a student Sport
pilot rating. A pilot must be 17 years old to hold the Sport pilot rating
and 18 years old to hold a Sport pilot instructor rating. Mr. Henry offered
that it may require 200 hours of flight experience to qualify for the SPI
rating.
Registered ultralight instructors would have a 36 month window of
opportunity to have their hours of instruction and hours of logged flight
experience count toward the SPI rating. SPI's may be designated by the FAA
to administer the SP written and flight test. The FAA has asked all three
Ultralight training exemption holders to submit ideas on how to endorse
individuals as Designated Pilot Examiners (DPE), Designated Airworthyness
Representatives (DAR), and mechanics with a Inspection Authority (SP-IA).
The FAA will issue only two Sport pilot ratings, Sport pilot-Land and
Sport pilot -Sea. All other privileges will be by instructors log book
endorsement. Sport pilots will be limited to flying Light-Sport Aircraft
(see below) by daylight VFR only. They may fly into class B, C, and D
airspace with training and a instructors logbook endorsement.
AIRCRAFT CERTIFICATION
The aircraft certification portion of the briefings were presented by
Mike Kiesov and Scott Sedgewick of the Kansas City, MO. Aircraft
certification and maintenance Division. Aircraft flown by Sport pilots are
to be known as "Light-Sport Aircraft." Light-Sport Aircraft will be defined
as being two occupants or less, up to 1232# max. take-off weight, have a 39
kt stall speed, a 115 kt Vne speed, single engine, fixed gear, daylight VFR
only, etc. The target aircraft groups are those that exceed the weight or
occupant limits of part 103, new aircraft sold as ready to fly for personal
flight, as well as training and rental use, aircraft assembled from kits
that do not meet the 51 % Amateur-built rule, and aircraft ineligible for
Primary category certification..
EXISTING ONE OR TWO PLACE VEHICLES THAT EXCEED PART 103 LIMITS
All existing aircraft which exceeds part 103 will be eligible to be
N-numbered and receive an airworthyness certificate as a "Experimental
Light-Sport Aircraft." There will be a 24 month window of opportunity to
make application to the FAA to have your aircraft receive an airworthyness
certificate as an Exp. light-sport aircraft. If you make application on the
last day of the window you may operate your aircraft as an Exp. light-sport
aircraft until such time as the FAA processes your application and a DAR
inspects your plane. The DAR will assign a designated number of hours and
area that you must fly the plane solo till the restrictions are lifted. On
existing planes, the DAR may waive this requirement if evidence exist that
the plane has been safely flown for a number of hours prior to the new rule.
Operating restrictions will be similar to part 103.
EXISTING TRAINERS
Two place aircraft that are registered with one of the training exemption
holders, and used for training will be allowed a 36 month window of
opportunity to make application to the FAA to become Exp. light-sport
aircraft. Two place aircraft registered with one of the exemption holders up
to 36 months AFTER Sport pilot becomes rule will be allowed to be used for
training for hire for the life of that airplane.
AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURED AFTER SPORT PILOT BECOMES RULE
All new aircraft that fit this category manufactured after the Sport
pilotbecomes rule will be issued a Special Airworthyness Certificate. All
kit built aircraft will receive a "Kit-built Light-Sport Aircraft"
airworthyness certificate and a factory built plane will receive a "Special
Light-Sport Aircraft" airworthyness certificate. To qualify for these
certificates the aircraft must meet "industry standards" for aircraft design
(airworthyness), Manufacture (quality assurance), and production. These
"industry standards will be developed by the industry without direct FAA
oversight. The FAA will not approve these standards. Each kit and
completed aircraft that leaves the factory will have a manufacturer's
"statement of compliance" to those standards with it.
To sell a Light-Sport kit, the manufacturer must hold a Special
airworthyness certificate issued from the FAA for that make and model
aircraft. In other words he must have a flying prototype before he can sell
kits. The manufacturer must provide with each aircraft/kit a "statement of
compliance" that it meets the industry standard. All aircraft sold as
completed must be in a condition for safe flight. The manufacturer must
provide with each aircraft/kit a pilot operating handbook, manufacturer's
maintenance schedule, and manufacturer's "statement of compliance." For
aircraft sold completed, the manufacturer is responsible for the continued
airworthyness support (must provide newsletters / AD type notices on
problems). ALL aircraft sold as completed aircraft must undergo an
inspection every 100 hours by a qualified A&P mechanic.
A manufacturer may sell kit aircraft with up to 99% of the work
completed. The purchaser would then do the remaining 1% of the work (bolt
the wings on?) and apply for a "Kit-Built Light Sport Aircraft"
airworthyness certificate. The manufacturer would then not be the
certificate holder and the "builder" would hold a repairman's certificate
and would be responsible to maintain the aircraft per the manufacturers
instructions (parts replacement schedule, etc.) and perform the annual
condition report. FAA expects ASC/EAA/USUA to develop training programs that
would allow a person to purchase a used flying airplane, attend a repairmans
class, then receive a repairman's certificate for that airplane.
TRAINERS AND RENTAL PLANES
ALL trainers not grandfather in within the 36 months window of
opportunity, and ALL rental aircraft would be required to be 100% factory
built. They would require an inspection every 100 hours performed by a qual
ified A&P mechanic.
NPRM
The U.S. Ultralight Association has committed to putting the text of the
NPRM on their website (www.usua.com) as soon as it is published. Mr.
Henry stated that the FAA now expects the NPRM to be published sometime in
April with a 60 day comment period. They must consider and reply to each
written comment submitted. He stated that they hoped to do that within a 6
month time frame so that the rule could be final by the end of this year.
Sam Cox
http://www.dfwliteflyers.org
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | ok, ok, prop balance or ... 2 steps forward and one step |
back
Props will work when installed backwards, but will only make less than 1/2
the thrust. Most instances I have been aware of were with wood props; this
may be a first for composite, certainly first for one blade. One even flew,
but the low thrust just allowed him to get out of ground effect and he
wallowed around the pattern and then lost it and almost totaled his
FireStar. He rebuilt it and reported he could not believe how much better
it flew with the prop installed correctly. Thanks for sharing - we all learn
and profit from such experiences!
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: ok, ok, prop balance.
After reading Richard Swiderski's hilarious recount of looking at the
ants with the tail up in the air I guess I can confide in you guys with
my recent experience with the IVO prop shaking the engine. Maybe it will
help some one else in the future. After attaching the first two blades
correctly I put the third one on backwards. It just came to me last
night when I got to thinking about stuff that I might have done this. I
was so intent on getting everything lined up I missed the obvious. I
went back to the plane and sure enough, I put one on backwards. Funny
thing though, I thought I was getting pretty good thrust with the blades
messed up. I hope to get the blade turned around tommorrow and try
again. I'll let everyone know. Jeff in Oviedo
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| Subject: | Re: It's Hard To Be Humble When You Have A Kolb |
Richard I enjoyed your message. You are right when you are above a solid
bank of clouds it is beautiful but scary. I think to myself how do I get
thru this stuff if something fails.
Merle Hargis at Orlando, Fl.
flying Twinstar building Firefly
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| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
HAS ANYONE USED A CHOP SAW FOR CUTTING TUBING ? AND IF SO , HOW DOES IT
COMPARE TO THE HACKSAW ?
DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. FSII
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
A fine tooth carbide tip blade on chop saw works great on AL tubing. I also
used same carbide blade on my table saw to cut an AL Geo head in 1/2. It
went through like butter. The standard composite blades work great on
cromoly tubing, it also shapes the ends for fitting very nicely. You'll
probably never use a hack so again. ...Richard Swiderski
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: CHOP SAW
>
> HAS ANYONE USED A CHOP SAW FOR CUTTING TUBING ? AND IF SO , HOW DOES IT
> COMPARE TO THE HACKSAW ?
>
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. FSII
>
>
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's Hard To Be Humble When You Have A Kolb |
I think to myself how do I get
> thru this stuff if something fails.
>
> Merle Hargis at Orlando, Fl.
Merle and Gang:
That is the problem. You have no choice. If the engine
gets extremely quiet, you are going to "get thru this
stuff,"
one way or the other.
Got suckered in in 1984 in my new Ultrastar, about 0700 on a
Sunday morning. Did some high powered praying, headed south
for Bald Knob, the only terrain above the cloud layer. Low
and behold, directly above Bob Colquit's grass strip was a
hole. I did not hesitate. Zipped through it, landed,
climbed the fence, walked to the Vet's office where I saw a
car, called my gal friend and said come and get me.
Take care,
john h
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In a message dated 2/12/01 8:56:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jrjung(at)execpc.com writes:
>
> Guys,
>
> I don't care if it is a hoax or not, it is not Kolb related.
>
> John Jung
>
>
John, I'm sure that I am not the only one who has no idea what you are
talking about.....did you leave something out?
GeoR38
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's Hard To Be Humble When You Have A Kolb |
Yaaaaa-Hooo ! ! ! What a story ! ! ! I've never done nothin' like
that...........Naw ! ! !
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: It's Hard To Be Humble When You Have A Kolb
>
> Kolbers,
>
> As I was reading about all the beautiful flying by these wonderful
> Kolbs, I thought I'd share about this Saturday's Dunnelon FL Flyin.
> But 1st, Merle your story was dejavu for me. At that same FL Flying
> Gators field I learned my lesson about those sucker holes in the mid
> '80s. The fog burned off about 9:30am & the ceiling was 300ft with blue
> holes scattered around. I eagerly took off & poked up thru one of them.
> The most stunning picture was burned into my memory. The earth
> suddenly was covered with a billowing blanket of white fluff as far as I
> could see. I played around skimming the tops then climbed another 100ft
> to see the morning sun reflecting off the lakes & back up thru other
> holes. I was intoxicated with the beauty & actually felt like screaming
> "Wow!" or something stupid, but I didn't dare break the profound
> solitude and deep sense of solidarity with nature & God. The Ultimate
> Artist was creating the ultimate picture & I was the only one who would
> ever see it. My stupor turned to sober when I realized the few holes
> that were left were now too small to fly through. Then it occured to me
> that I wasn't all that sure of were the field was & it was not my home
> turf. I flew south a few minutes to make sure I wasn't near the tower
> close to the field & proceeded to circle in a slow climb hoping to find
> a hole. I decided then that I would not attempt to fly thru the clouds,
> but would circle untill I had 15 minutes of fuel left & then do an
> elevator desent. I had my UltraStar then & I modified its huge barn
> door airlerons to flaperons that could retract 45 degrees. If I did
> that with 3500rpm & full back stick she would mush almost straight down
> & never drop a wing. I did that often to lose altittude fast. Well,
> the old Artist heard my prayer & I did find a hole to get down thru & I
> found the field with no problem. Before that day, I never understood
> why those inviting things were called sucker holes.
> Back to last Saturday's flyin: There was a nice variety of aircraft
> represented, a Kitfox, 2 Tierras, a Dragonfly tug, a Chinook, a rotory
> engine Challanger, a Flightstar, a dual surface/airleron MX, an early
> Quicksilver clone, 2 beautiful trikes & my kind of ugly dirty off white
> SlingShot. I trailored in late & wasn't setup till 9:30. By then the
> wind really picked up. While I was setting up, the Flightstar went up &
> came back down. Nobody was flying or even talking about it. The events
> were cancelled & it was decided that all would just enjoy each other's
> company & planes. After an hour, I had all the enjoyment I could handle
> & figured it would be a good time to practice cross wind landings. The
> wind was gusty, 15-20mph, & right down runway 23. I chose to use 27 to
> "hone" (this word proved a little too optimistic of a discription.) my
> skill level. There was a tree line upwind that added a little spice
> with its occational rotors.
> I confidently saddled up in my new mount, checked out the radio, put
> on my fighter pilot sunglasses & cranked up the ol SeaDoo motor. I have
> one of those nifty tailwheels that can unlock & swivel 360. The spring
> links are not strong enough to pull it back straight when its swiveled
> past its locking point. So when I gave her the go juice I just did a
> 360 donut, pivoting around the left tire. Everyone was watching the
> only plane moving of course. I pretended as best as I could that I
> wanted to do that & went on my way to 27.
> BTW, this did not look nearly as stupid as the time at another flyin
> my buddy asked me if the brakes were strong enough to hold the plane &
> let the nose tip over. We were in my old MkII, on a grass field with no
> one else but us to look at. Without a lot of deep thought, I said lets
> see. I held the brake & gently increased the throttle while giving it
> forward stick. Slowly the tail raised. I figured I would let her keep
> going till she pointed down a little & then gradually throttle back till
> the tail was back on the ground. I didn't figure on the ground cg
> carrying us over once we got to the balancing point. Suddenly we were
> hanging by our seat belts, looking at the grass in front of us as the
> nose rested on the ground. I backed off the power & it just stayed in
> that stupid posture, with the tail pointing to the sky & 2 stupid guys
> looking at the ants in the grass. I will admitt that we were seriously
> discussing what the crowd of people were thinking about us. Now if my
> buddy got out, the plane would probably fall down hard & bend the tail
> wheel. If he didn't get out, our present level of unacceptable
> humiliation would not come to an end. We agreed to try a never before
> attempted manuver. I applied a brisk amount of throttle & he hung out
> the canopy & put one leg on the ground, then I gradually let off the the
> throttle as the tail began to fall back down & when he pulled his leg
> off the ground I gave it more throttle & gently let it down all the way.
> We immediately took off & rather than face those people's questions, we
> decided to continue on home.
> Anyway, back to the Dunnelon Flyin. Take off was uneventful accept
> for the fact the the needles on my VSI & Altimeter were bouncing about 1
> 1/4 of an inch. I did a short pattern, climbed to 300ft, turned
> crosswind & climbed to 500ft, turned downwind, reduced power to 3/4,
> released flaperons, announce a short base & final to 27 for a touch &
> go, put in 3/4 flaps on finial appoach, cut power to 3000, & setup
> descent for 50mph with room to land short if engine quits. Without
> rudder, I was crabbing about 40 degrees to maintain runway alignment.
> The landing was a lot harder than I anticipated. I was told it
> looked like my SlingShot mount was a bucking bronco. Every time she
> bucked, I slid closer to the runway lites. I kept telling my hand to
> relax but it would not listen to me in the least. The bucking would not
> stop so I said adios to the approaching lites with a full throttle. I
> did this for 50 minutes straight. After the 3rd time, I held my course
> on the runway & was not porpoising. After about 30 minutes I wasn't
> bouncing, I was keeping one wheel on the ground & its wing lowered into
> the wind. By the end of the 50 minutes, I was trying different flaperon
> settings & could easily bring the tail down to the ground & maintain
> control. It was a great feeling to reconquer that part of the learning
> curve. It was well worth looking a little bit stupid.
> On my 1st touch & go (Where I touched & went about 8 times), Greg, a
> flight instructor, was told by a bystander, "I'll bet after that
> bouncing run at it, he will put it down & stay down." Greg replied, "If
> he's like me he'll say, that was so aweful I have to do at least one
> more just to show them that I'n not that bad. I won't say I din't think
> that thought, but I will say it is hard to be humble when you have a
> Kolb, the wind is up , & you want to fly! ...Richard
> Swiderski
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, ok, prop balance. |
Good on you, Jeff. That's how we learn, and hopefully help some other dumb
yo-yo from making the same mistake. Thanks. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: ok, ok, prop balance.
>
> After reading Richard Swiderski's hilarious recount of looking at the
> ants with the tail up in the air I guess I can confide in you guys with
> my recent experience with the IVO prop shaking the engine. Maybe it will
> help some one else in the future. After attaching the first two blades
> correctly I put the third one on backwards. It just came to me last
> night when I got to thinking about stuff that I might have done this. I
> was so intent on getting everything lined up I missed the obvious. I
> went back to the plane and sure enough, I put one on backwards. Funny
> thing though, I thought I was getting pretty good thrust with the blades
> messed up. I hope to get the blade turned around tommorrow and try
> again. I'll let everyone know. Jeff in Oviedo
>
>
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| From: | "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, ok, prop balance. |
Hey! I made that mistake!
Dave
El Paso
do not arcive
-----Original Message-----
From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ok, ok, prop balance.
>
>Good on you, Jeff. That's how we learn, and hopefully help some other dumb
>yo-yo from making the same mistake. Thanks. Lar.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, Ca.
>Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
>http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff" <firedude9(at)prodigy.net>
>To: "Kolob mailing list"
>Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:53 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: ok, ok, prop balance.
>
>
>>
>> After reading Richard Swiderski's hilarious recount of looking at the
>> ants with the tail up in the air I guess I can confide in you guys with
>> my recent experience with the IVO prop shaking the engine. Maybe it will
>> help some one else in the future. After attaching the first two blades
>> correctly I put the third one on backwards. It just came to me last
>> night when I got to thinking about stuff that I might have done this. I
>> was so intent on getting everything lined up I missed the obvious. I
>> went back to the plane and sure enough, I put one on backwards. Funny
>> thing though, I thought I was getting pretty good thrust with the blades
>> messed up. I hope to get the blade turned around tommorrow and try
>> again. I'll let everyone know. Jeff in Oviedo
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Dean Halstead" <deanbo(at)calweb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
"Goo Gone"
Dean Halstead
Fair Oaks, California
MK-III
http://www.calweb.com/~deanbo/kolb/index.htm
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Kolb and Heart are broken ... |
Noel and Gang:
Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Tearing up airplanes is a fact of life in this hobby. We
break them flying or Mother Nature gets them. And big ass
rats. My rat is back. Since I got my MK III in the shop I
discovered where this sorry rascal had eaten some more wires
behind the instrument panel, eaten clear through a hydraulic
brake line, and cut through several places in my brand new
pitot and static lines under the deck. I am turning into
the guy on "Caddy Shack", who had a chipmonk problem on his
golf course.
Did you ask the folks at Kolb about using a Firestar tail
section?
Keep us posted.
john h
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| From: | "John Russell" <john(at)rometool.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Cleaning lexan, a few weeks ago I had to make some repairs to the nose on my
slingshot,
so I mask everything to keep from getting paint on what I did not want
painted, trying to mask
around the windshield was alittle difficult but I thought I had done a good
job, well, after
spraying epoxy primer and aerothane and unmasking I find that I had misted
the windshield,
I did not even try to get it off, I had decided that I would replace it,
several days went by and
I figured I would try to clean the paint off, I had some paint cleaning
solvent made by poly fiber,
that stuff really did the trick, it removed all the misted aerothane that
had been sitting for several
days.
John R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Halstead" <deanbo(at)calweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan
>
> "Goo Gone"
>
> Dean Halstead
> Fair Oaks, California
> MK-III
> http://www.calweb.com/~deanbo/kolb/index.htm
>
>
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
> I had some paint cleaning
> solvent made by poly fiber,
> that stuff really did the trick, it removed all the misted aerothane that
> had been sitting for several
> days.
>
> John R
John R and Gang:
OK, now this is a serious list, tell the truth. :-)
Did the C-2210 Paint Cleaning Solvent really clean epoxy
primer and aerothane off the Lexan???
That is great news. I never woulda thought that.
Thanks for the info.
john h
BTW: Why are you repainting the nose of the SS?
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noelbou(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: My Kolb and Heart are broken ... |
Hello John,
Thanks for your good words ...
Yes that's the first thing i asked (Firestar tail) and they said
that it is different enough in size and especially control surface
mechanism that
it would not really fit and would require some modifications to the boom
tube
that could compromise it's strngth (The tail section fitting to the boom
tube is appenrently not the same at all.
I would also have to modify the surfaces size because the application is
quite different ...
Thank you in any case for your help ... I will keep posting my progress
on the list ..
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Noel and Gang:
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
>
> Tearing up airplanes is a fact of life in this hobby. We
> break them flying or Mother Nature gets them. And big ass
> rats. My rat is back. Since I got my MK III in the shop I
> discovered where this sorry rascal had eaten some more wires
> behind the instrument panel, eaten clear through a hydraulic
> brake line, and cut through several places in my brand new
> pitot and static lines under the deck. I am turning into
> the guy on "Caddy Shack", who had a chipmonk problem on his
> golf course.
>
> Did you ask the folks at Kolb about using a Firestar tail
> section?
>
> Keep us posted.
>
> john h
>
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
Listers,
I picked up most of my birds Aluminum from the anodizing shop
yesterday, looks pretty nice. We did most of it in gold, but the gap
seal metal had to be done in clear because they couldn't rack the thin
edge pieces in the die tanks, oh well.
The floor trays are black teflon impregnated hard coat, they should
hold up well to the scrapes.
I mounted the tank tray, fuel pump and gasculator yesterday, I hope to
assemble the gap seal spar this afternoon.
Still have to finish and prime the nose cone before I remove it to cover
the fuselage.
Seems like an endless string of little details keep getting in the way
of the fabric covering. Oh well, better to take care of them now,
rather than after the fabric is in the way.
Mailed the checks for the radiators and lord mounts this morning. got a
great deal on both. The rads are off a Honda ATC 250R trike. They are
slightly taller and wider than the standard dual Rotax rads, so I figure
they should cool the 690L OK.
More on how they work later this year, even if they don't, I'm only out
$40. :-) Beats the snot out of any other rad prices I have seen.
Better get down stairs and get somthing done,
Later,
Denny
Western PA
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 61 Msgs - 02/12/01 |
Big Lar,
When you fly your Kolb to Port Angeles, WA from Palm Springs, let me know
will buy lunch when you cross the Columbia River! A nice grass strip 2 miles
from my place, all my friends are welcome. Lancair IV P has been in so smooth
enough! I keep my Cherokee there. Several Kites use it, and Drifters,
Hyperlites, Rans. Need a Kolb to visit!
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation, LLC
www.riteangle.com
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| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My Kolb and Heart are broken ... |
Sorry to hear of your loss. If you have a 5" boom I would think a
Firestar tail section should fit. I believe the main problem is the fold
mechanism which is different from yours. I am assuming you have the fold
down and capture rather than the newer torque arm set up. Using this new
set up would probably mean all new tail surfaces and nothing salvaged but
you would have a more convenient folding tail. Go ahead and try and do it
yourself. You will be surprised how fast and easy it is. If you need to
replace the wing spar get all new "H" sections and inboard rib. It is hard
to drill into the pre existing holes when you try and reassemble. It's
possible but a lot of effort. From your description I would say you have a
good 3 weekend project.
I had an old Vector ultra light do the same thing in a wind storm.
Broke 2 out of 3 ropes. I had to tie it down upside down and wait 3 days
for the wind to die down so I could turn it right side up. No damage that time.
>
>Hello all ... !
>
>My plane and heart are broken :-(
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| From: | "John Russell" <john(at)rometool.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Hehehehehe, yes actually it did clean it, very well, I am sure though that
it did not adhere
very well to the slick lexan, but it got it all off without a trace. Nose
was a victim of hanger
rash, no I did not do what Richard did with his, nose over with the tail
looking at the sky, lol,
I had to throw that in.
JR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan
>
> > I had some paint cleaning
> > solvent made by poly fiber,
> > that stuff really did the trick, it removed all the misted aerothane
that
> > had been sitting for several
> > days.
> >
> > John R
>
> John R and Gang:
>
> OK, now this is a serious list, tell the truth. :-)
>
> Did the C-2210 Paint Cleaning Solvent really clean epoxy
> primer and aerothane off the Lexan???
>
> That is great news. I never woulda thought that.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> john h
>
> BTW: Why are you repainting the nose of the SS?
>
>
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| From: | Bob Currie <bnb(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Hi john, I have been watching the list for several weeks as I am
building a FSII. I will send suggestion to my wife Betty. Bob Currie
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| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan |
Hey Bob,
You missed the meeting Sunday, don't tell me it was too far to drive. OK,
what exactly were you referring too with your statement to John.
Dennis
http://www.aero-sports.com/bb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Currie" <bnb(at)erols.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cleaning Goo off of Lexan
>
> Hi john, I have been watching the list for several weeks as I am
> building a FSII. I will send suggestion to my wife Betty. Bob Currie
>
>
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| From: | Timandjan(at)aol.com |
Does anybody know the availability of original Twinstar parts, plans etc. How
about engines.
I found one for sale in my area, the price might be real good, but all that
is there is the airframe so I would need a lot to rebuild. Just thinking
about a project because it's close and I might get it cheap and make it
worthwhile. Would be kinda neat to rebuild an antique and have a piece of the
Kolb history.
Tim
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| From: | "Bill Elder" <billelder(at)denver.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar info |
So sorry for your mishap. A friend of mine, Darryl Collins from Bailey
Colorado has (had?) a Twinstar Mark II project for sale a couple of months
ago. I think it was in pretty good shape, just needed recovering. I think
he put it up on the Kolb List and I'm not sure if it's still available.
Contact Darryl directly at SDCOLLINS2(at)aol.com and good luck to you!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com <Timandjan(at)aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:47 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Twinstar info
>
>Does anybody know the availability of original Twinstar parts, plans etc.
How
>about engines.
>>Tim
>
>
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| From: | "Craig Fordahl" <cafordahl(at)qwest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar info |
Tim,
I just bought a Twinstar (1986/87) this summer. Had some damage bringing it
home and am repairing it. I did received a manual with it and then acquired
the plans through some scouting around. I have the resources to make copies
of the drawings as well as the manual but there may be no guarantees on the
drawing pages with 1:1 scaling and their maintaining the scale on the
reproductions. I think there were only a couple of drawing pages with 1:1
scale items. Let me know if I can be of some assistance.
Craig
Loretto, MN.
cafordahl(at)qwest.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timandjan(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Twinstar info
>
> Does anybody know the availability of original Twinstar parts, plans etc.
How
> about engines.
>
> I found one for sale in my area, the price might be real good, but all
that
> is there is the airframe so I would need a lot to rebuild. Just thinking
> about a project because it's close and I might get it cheap and make it
> worthwhile. Would be kinda neat to rebuild an antique and have a piece of
the
> Kolb history.
>
> Tim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Noel Bouchard <noelbou(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar info |
Hello Craig !
That's great ! I have a set of original plans (19 large pages ) but no manual or
1:1 drawings ...
I would greatly appreciate if you could copy the manual and drawings for me !
I would, of course, pay you back for the time and postage ...
I give you my mailing address:
Noel Bouchard
4600 de Lanaudiere
Montreal, Qc
Canada H2J 3P7
Once again thank you as every piece of info i casn get will help in the repair
process.
I am not sure if you have the original plan but i would be glad to send it to
you for a copy
(after my bird is back on it's feet ... )
Regards
Noel
Craig Fordahl wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I just bought a Twinstar (1986/87) this summer. Had some damage bringing it
> home and am repairing it. I did received a manual with it and then acquired
> the plans through some scouting around. I have the resources to make copies
> of the drawings as well as the manual but there may be no guarantees on the
> drawing pages with 1:1 scaling and their maintaining the scale on the
> reproductions. I think there were only a couple of drawing pages with 1:1
> scale items. Let me know if I can be of some assistance.
> Craig
> Loretto, MN.
> cafordahl(at)qwest.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Timandjan(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:40 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Twinstar info
>
> >
> > Does anybody know the availability of original Twinstar parts, plans etc.
> How
> > about engines.
> >
> > I found one for sale in my area, the price might be real good, but all
> that
> > is there is the airframe so I would need a lot to rebuild. Just thinking
> > about a project because it's close and I might get it cheap and make it
> > worthwhile. Would be kinda neat to rebuild an antique and have a piece of
> the
> > Kolb history.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Airgriff2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 02/13/01WIND DAMAGE |
In a message dated 2/14/01 3:00:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> htm
> Here is a helpful hint that may prevent your plane from being ripped loose
> from your tiedown in strong winds. Clem Hoovler, has owned the Freehold
> Airport, in the Catskill Mts., where I keep my MK3, for 40 some years. He
> told me of a storm that came through one time, with such winds, that they
> dug 2-3 ft. holes in the ground, in front of all 3 wheels, rolled the
> planes ahead alittle, and filled the holes in again with dirt. They had a
> little cleaning to do afterwards, but all the aircraft was still intact
> when all was calm.
> Safe Flying
Bob G
Upstate N.Y.
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar info |
If you need help with any part write to me and I will see if I can find
it on my plans. What condition is the plane in?
I found another project for someone on ebay. An Ultra star for
$250. Needs covering and engine. Might be a great deal. I don't have the
number but search ebay for Kolb.
>Does anybody know the availability of original Twinstar parts, plans etc. How
>about engines.
>
>I found one for sale in my area, the price might be real good, but all that
>is there is the airframe so I would need a lot to rebuild. Just thinking
>about a project because it's close and I might get it cheap and make it
>worthwhile. Would be kinda neat to rebuild an antique and have a piece of the
>Kolb history.
>
>Tim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Foley" <mfoley(at)Thermawave.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 02/13/01WIND DAMAGE |
Hey All
Mike Foley here in the Sacramento Delta area, getting ready to begin a Mark 3
xtra with the 912 engine and full lotus floats
This is done all the time for sailboats in areas with tropical storms
You just bury the boat up to the waterline
regards
Mike Foley
Michael E Foley
THERMA-WAVE
Field Service Engineer
Western Region
Phone: 510-687-3505
Cell Phone:510-520-5579
Pager: 800-771-9214
Fax: 1-510-353-0130
E-Mail: MFoley(at)thermawave.com
>>> Airgriff2(at)aol.com 02/14/01 04:34AM >>>
In a message dated 2/14/01 3:00:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> htm
> Here is a helpful hint that may prevent your plane from being ripped loose
> from your tiedown in strong winds. Clem Hoovler, has owned the Freehold
> Airport, in the Catskill Mts., where I keep my MK3, for 40 some years. He
> told me of a storm that came through one time, with such winds, that they
> dug 2-3 ft. holes in the ground, in front of all 3 wheels, rolled the
> planes ahead alittle, and filled the holes in again with dirt. They had a
> little cleaning to do afterwards, but all the aircraft was still intact
> when all was calm.
> Safe Flying
Bob G
Upstate N.Y.
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Todd Thompson" <toddthom(at)wtco.net> |
Thanks, I actually heard about this on NPR today. SO far I haven't seen it.
SO when can I give Sophie a flying lesson? She got to old enough by now!
When does Olivia come home? Soon I hope.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry" <tswartz(at)hydrosoft.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: virus alert
>
> Watch for this one. It came to me today.
>
> subject: Here you have , ;o
>
> attachment: AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
>
> Do no open the attachment.
>
> Terry
>
>
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| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
| Subject: | Center ofr Gravity |
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| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
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| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
I had problems getting the complete story across on the List messages so
to cover
everything I put it on a web-page:
httlp://ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
Julian Warren
Eugene, Oregon
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
Julian,
Below is the message I keep getting from you. Not sure what's wrong,
but if you ever do get it figured out, I still would love to get hold of
your CG program. Thanks again. ...Richard Swiderski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Warren" <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: CG
>
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry, I didn'tread this before my last letter to you. I'll check it out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Warren" <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: CG
>
>
> I had problems getting the complete story across on the List messages so
> to cover
> everything I put it on a web-page:
>
> httlp://ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
>
>
> Julian Warren
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
I couldn't open the webpage until I added the 3 Ws.
http://www.ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
In a message dated 2/14/01 3:33:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jgw300(at)webolium.com writes:
> I had problems getting the complete story across on the List messages so
> to cover
> everything I put it on a web-page:
>
> httlp://ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
>
>
> Julian Warren
> Eugene, Oregon
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| From: | George Alexander <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
WillUribe(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> I couldn't open the webpage until I added the 3 Ws.
>
> http://www.ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
>
> In a message dated 2/14/01 3:33:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jgw300(at)webolium.com writes:
>
> > I had problems getting the complete story across on the List messages so
> > to cover
> > everything I put it on a web-page:
> >
> > httlp://ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
> >
> >
> > Julian Warren
> > Eugene, Oregon
>
The real secret code is to take out the 'l' from the
httlp://ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
and make it: http://ultralites.homestead.com/center.html
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com> |
Jabiru West's web site is down. The factory site says the agent for the
U.S. is being "reorganized". Anybody know what's going on?
Rody
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| From: | "Jon Croke" <jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | New Web site !!!! |
Ill take this opportunity during this 'pause' in list activity to mention a
website I found that should be of interest to many:
http://www.ultralightaccidents.org
It is full of great Rotax failure info amongst the other aircraft accidents
and the like....
still cold in Green Bay
Jon
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| Subject: | extra prop extensions available... |
| From: | "Jim Gerken" <gerken(at)us.ibm.com> |
02/16/2001 11:58:41 AM
I got carried away building prop extensions (and perfected the process),
and now have extras to sell. 2024 aluminum, Rotax patterns, 2.5" to 3"
extensions for 2-cycle redrive hub (under 4 lbs), or for 912 hub (4.75
lbs), $150 each without bolts, TIR gauranteed accurate to 0.0005", all have
the safety centering hub feature. Anyone interested?
If so, reply directly to me with what engine you're running, which rotax
hole pattern, which safety centering hub, and how much extension length you
want. Addtional features or lower weights are also available, at nominal
extra charge. Thanks,
Jim Gerken
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| From: | MIKE HOUSEWERT <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net> |
Kolb Mark III - 2 person
582 Rotax Liquid Cooled w/ electric starter
BRS Chute (New 11/18/00)
89.9 total hours plane and engine
Full Instruments altimeter, airspeed, vertical airspeed, RPMs, CHT x 2,
EGT x 2, water temperature, water pressure, inclinometer, compass
Strobes
Warp 3 Blade Prop
12 V outlet
Electric fuel pump
Dual Throttles
4 point harnesss
2 5 gallons fuel tanks
Hydraulic Disc (heel) brakes
Full enclosure
Stits fabric cover - White with some blue and red
Always Hangered
Purchased end of July 2000, then trucked to The New Kolb Co. who trucked it
to their authorized airplane builder, Lite Speed Aviation in Stranton,
Kentucky. Lite Speed went through the plane top to bottom, nose to tail,
and brought everything into original specifications, including installation
of a new BRS parachute.
Paid $21,075.00, which includes the initial cost plus all the inspections,
minor repairs, new BRS parachute, and test flying by The New Kolb Companys
authorized airplane builder Lite Speed Aviation.
Asking $20,000.00
Mike Housewert
815-332-3136
815-519-3332 (Cellular Phone)
815-296-6003 (Pager)
For photos go to this web sight: http://www.volkswagenhomebrew.com/Kolb.htm
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noelbou(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Pictures of my damages Twinstar MkII |
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| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pictures of my damages Twinstar MkII |
Hi Noel,
Nothing came through. Got a web site or url to look at?
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Bouchard" <noelbou(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures of my damages Twinstar MkII
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| From: | JIMMY HANKINSON <jhankin(at)planters.net> |
| Subject: | KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD |
HAS ANYONE TRIED FLYING A KOLB WITHOUR THE CANOPY. I LIKE TO FLY OUT IN
THE OPEN.
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| Subject: | Re: KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD |
| From: | ul15rhb(at)juno.com |
writes
>
> HAS ANYONE TRIED FLYING A KOLB WITHOUR THE CANOPY. I LIKE TO FLY OUT
> IN
> THE OPEN.
Jim,
I test flew a friends new FireStar without the lexan windscreen and it
flew fine. It reminded me of flying an UltraStar being out in the open.
It amazes me how a little piece of lexan can make you feel more secure.
Ralph Burlingame
Original FireStar
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| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Stick Throttle Conflict |
In a message dated 2/16/01 7:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbaker2(at)juno.com
writes:
> At this point I am considering removing the throttle lever and cutting it
>
Ray,
That is what I did on mine. I shortened the throttle so that there was about
1/2" clearance at the closest place. The throttle lever seemed a little long
anyway.
Steven Green
Serial #1151
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Cutting of swages |
Kolbers,
A little while back we had a string going on how to remove swages once
they had been crimped.
I think it was Richard Swiderski who said that cutting half way through
them with a chisle and hammer, than using side cutters to spread them
open would work well.
Well I am here to tell you that this procedure works FANTASTIC!
My father in law and I cut all the unsatisfactory cable ends off today
using this method, and my bench vise anvil, and we had 100 percent
success, not one frayed cable. Thats four cable ends and a total of
eight swages.
I held the cables tight while he carefully tapped a good chisle down
through each swage, as the chisle cut through, it spread the swage open
as it went and than he held the one side of the split swage with end
cutters resting on the vise, while I pryed it wide open with a medium
flat screwdriver. The key is to only cut through one side of the swage
Definitly is a plus to have two sets of hands for the job.
Now I need to order some more 3/32 swages as I did not have enough to
finish the cockpit end of the elevator trim.
Oh yeah, don't forget to mark the cable with a sharpy at the center of
the thimble, we forgot to mark a rudder cable, and now I have to wait
until the tail is installed after painting to crimp the cable, got to
have even rudder peddles. :-)
Anyway big Props to Richard or whoever shared this method with us.
Another case of this list saving my bacon and my casheeoowleee.
Take Care,
Denny Rowe
Mark-3 Pittsburgh "where we blow up perfectly good stadiums and charge
the tax payers for it, and two new ones" PA
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD |
Hi Jimmy,
Different Kolbs will fly differently without the windshield. The best
flying with out windshield/canopy is the FireStar KX / KXP; the FireStar-II,
Mark-III and the TwinStar. These had predominately open cages behind the
pilot - at least the upper half. Worst was the Mark-II with a completely
enclosed rear fuselage. Never did fly the SS without canopy. Orignal FS did
okay, but it did have an enclosed rear cage, but it was not as wide as the
Mark-II.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of JIMMY
HANKINSON
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD
HAS ANYONE TRIED FLYING A KOLB WITHOUR THE CANOPY. I LIKE TO FLY OUT IN
THE OPEN.
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
I just got back from a 4 day trip to Guerrero Negro, in Baja California,
for a whale watching tour. ( 2nd annual ) and had an absolute blast.
Took 7 rolls of film, and after I get them back, I'll post some URL's,
ala Will Uribe, if anyone's interested. Had whales right at the boat,
and patted their noses. Honest, got pics ! ! ! Big thing is:
I'm wading thru a backlog of 70 messages right now, and quite a few
need personal replies. I'm not ignoring anybody, honest, just need some
time. Left G.N. at 3:30 this morning, and rolled into home at 3:25 this
afternoon. 650 miles in Mexico, in 12 hours. Ol' Lar's about out to
dry................and still got a huge grin on my face.
Ol' Wore Out Lar..............can't hack it no mo'. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
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| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
>
>I just got back from a 4 day trip to Guerrero Negro, in Baja California,
>for a whale watching tour. ( 2nd annual ) and had an absolute blast.
>Took 7 rolls of film, and after I get them back, I'll post some URL's,
>ala Will Uribe, if anyone's interested. Had whales right at the boat,
>and patted their noses. Honest, got pics ! ! !
http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/stans_fun_house.htm
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
OK, uh.......................you didn't write anything ????????
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Possum" <possums(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Whales
>
> >
> >I just got back from a 4 day trip to Guerrero Negro, in Baja California,
> >for a whale watching tour. ( 2nd annual ) and had an absolute blast.
> >Took 7 rolls of film, and after I get them back, I'll post some URL's,
> >ala Will Uribe, if anyone's interested. Had whales right at the boat,
> >and patted their noses. Honest, got pics ! ! !
>
>
> http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/stans_fun_house.htm
>
>
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD |
How open can you get .....
http://www.adrielheisey.com/about.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of JIMMY
HANKINSON
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD
HAS ANYONE TRIED FLYING A KOLB WITHOUR THE CANOPY. I LIKE TO FLY OUT IN
THE OPEN.
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| From: | Cavuontop(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Stick Throttle Conflict |
In a message dated 2/16/01 4:40:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, rbaker2(at)juno.com
writes:
> At this point I am considering removing the throttle lever and cutting it
>
I did not find that necessary. I pulled the stick into the full back
position and then advanced the throttle until it was a half an inch from the
stick. I made that the full throttle position. On my mark 3 full throttle
is about 10 degrees beyond perpendicular to the aileron drive tube. No
conflict possible.
Mark R. Sellers
Kolb Twinstar Mark III
N496BM
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
HooooBoy ! ! ! I just went thru it again. Patted their noses, eh ??
OK, OK ! ! !
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
> > >Took 7 rolls of film, and after I get them back, I'll post some URL's,
> > >ala Will Uribe, if anyone's interested. Had whales right at the boat,
> > >and patted their noses. Honest, got pics ! ! !
> >
> >
> > http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/stans_fun_house.htm
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> |
I heard Paul Harvey talking today about on one of the whale boats they were
eating lunch and one of the whales surfaced and ended up in the back of the
boat. One lady ended up with a broken leg.
Sam Cox
Do nor archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Whales
>
> HooooBoy ! ! ! I just went thru it again. Patted their noses, eh ??
> OK, OK ! ! !
>
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose">
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| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:. Throttle Conflict & Alternative |
EXCELLENT IDEA!
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Morning Gang:
Since I am up to my ears into this rebuild, repair, replace
job, my memory has been jogged significantly. It has been a
long time since I have done any major work on the airplane.
Now I can better empathize with you all in the building
process. I had forgotten how much planning and organization
was required to accomplish a job, one task at a time. Some
things must be done in sequence, just because that is the
way they must be done. While others tasks, if grouped
together, save time, material, and money.
It pays to have all the small items prepped, primed, and
painted at one time. Setting up, preparing, painting, and
cleaning up is an involved process. Right now I am
repairing some old damage to the nose pod. Another coat of
sanding primer and it will be ready for epoxy primer, then
Cub Yellow Areothane.
All the glass is off the fuselage. I still have to cut out
a new windshield, but it can not be refitted and installed
until the nose pod is finished and reinstalled. Also have
to do the door glass and the rear quarter windows.
My landing gear legs, with welded on axle sockets, are back
from the heat treater. The day after I got the gear legs
back, discovered cracks in 4130 tail wheel strut. My friend
Dan Horton came through for me. In one evening we
fabricated new improved strut. Problem is this, $.85 per lb
to heat treat. Minimum fee is $60.00. That is going to be
about $60.00 a lb. Nothing I can do about it, but get it
done. Things happen that way some times.
While working on the axles and brakes yesterday, discovered
the new expensive MATCO brake rotors were not set up to
positively center themselves when attached to the wheels.
The three screw holes in the rotor are larger diameter than
the socket head screws. What to do? Too late to call
MATCO. Sent email to their Tech Rep. If I don't hear from
them Monday or Tuesday, will give them a call. This type
thing is called Hauck's luck. If it can be screwed up, it
will and I'll probably end up with it. :-)
The weather is not cooperating for my Painting Department.
Difficult to work around because the fuselage is in my small
shop and I have to paint outside.
The Citation HVLP spray paint system with fresh air supply
that I purchased from Jim and Dondi Miller has had its
"baptism in fire". First time I used it I had not spent
enough time studying the instructions for adjusting the gun
correctly. It does not adjust the same as a regular spray
gun. I was very disappointed that I was having problems
operating it. Before I used it the second time, went
through the operators manual, discovered the correct way to
set it up and now it works like a charm. So far I am
extremely happy with the HVLP system. It has been 8 years
since I have done any painting with a regular gun, so
getting up to speed with the new HVLP will probably be
easier, I hope. :-)
Pardon the long post. Take care,
john h
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noelbou(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Pictures of my damages Twinstar MkII |
Sorry for the last post ... i guess the list doesn't like HTML links so ...
here's the address of my site:
www3.sympatico.ca/noelbou
Nol
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| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | SlingShot Kit I For Sale |
I hate to do this but my life demands it...
I would like to offer my SlingShot project for sale. I have Kit I 90%
completely assembled which includes the wings, ailerons, and all tail
surfaces; esentially what you would get with the Quick Build option
from Kolb. This can all be seen on my construction log at my website:
http://roberthaines.tripod.com. I am asking $5,000.
If y'all could pass this information around I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
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| From: | "Chris Sudlow" <suds77(at)telocity.com> |
Hello Listers,
I'm looking for a BRS 1050 used that I can have repacked. If anyone knows
someone or has one they would like to sell, please reply offlist.
Thank you.
Chris
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Pics of North Slope |
Hi Gang:
One of the ways I relax is do searches of the North Slope,
the Arctic, Alaska, Yukon Territory, British Columbia, etc.
Here are a couple pics I found this morning. They will show
you what the predominate terrain type is from Dead Horse to
Barrow, 205 sm. Be a good place for floats, but wheels
won't do anything but put you on your back:
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/ponds.jpg
This is a pic of Teshekpuk Lake, about half way from
Helmericks to Barrow:
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/teshlake.jpg
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 02/16/01 |
| From: | Scott and Pam Trask <PTrask(at)diisd.org> |
on 2/17/01 1:58 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server at
kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> From: JIMMY HANKINSON <jhankin(at)planters.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB WITHOUT WINDSHIELD
>
>
> HAS ANYONE TRIED FLYING A KOLB WITHOUR THE CANOPY. I LIKE TO FLY OUT IN
> THE OPEN.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi
To fly in the open on a hot day it's great! On a Mk111 with just the
windshield on you'll get the wind up the nose. It's better with all the
lexan off. You'll get better climb out performance with enclosure off.
Scott Trask
Iron Mountain MI
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 02/16/01 |
That's two of the reasons I just have a partial windshield, and partial doors.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Hi
>
> To fly in the open on a hot day it's great! On a Mk111 with just the
>windshield on you'll get the wind up the nose. It's better with all the
>lexan off. You'll get better climb out performance with enclosure off.
> Scott Trask
> Iron Mountain MI
>
>
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| From: | Scott Watson <Scott(at)disney.com> |
| Subject: | Flying sideways... Yaw Strings and LEFT RUDDER |
Well - I now have 2.8 hours in my (new to me) Kolb Firestar (I? KXP? -
how do I tell the difference?) - so I think I now qualify as an 'old
hand'. :)
Newbie or not, I do now know that Kolb owners are blessed and that I
made a fortuitous choice of plane. I have DCDI 503 and a climb rate
around that magical 1kfpm (and more with only 5 gals), 65mph (what is
the real VNE for this plane? I seem to get buffeting around 70+)
cruise and a pleasure to land, or skim along the ground in. And on top
of it, I get to be in the taildragger club! Which makes reading "Stick
& Rudder" just that much more fun.
However - what is with this holding left rudder?? I noticed I was
holding left almost all the time... So I attached a yaw string and
according to it, I was flying sideways! And when I straightend the
plane up (according to the string) it felt REALLY wierd, and my IAS
was dropping a little.
In the end, I concluded that I must have installed the string off
center, or some such and decided to ignore it until I got on the
ground. It turns out it was a little off center, so I pulled it off
and will try to re-install it (maybe tie it to the pitot)
tomorrow. But I do think, mis-installed or not, the string was telling
part of the truth.
Looking back in the archives, I see people talking about rudder trim
tabs and yaw strings - but no real conclusion. I did find that when I
didn't know I was skidding the plane seemed to fly better... what is
up with this? Is there a recommended solution?
I do NOT have a rudder trim tab, I do have aileron trim (which seems
to having me banking to the left hands off) that seems to need some
adjustment.
Your brother in the land of Kolb,
-Scott
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SlingShot Kit I For Sale |
I just looked at your website, and I think you did a really good job. Lots
of detail, that will help others get a good start. Thing that really
caught my eye, was the Model A. I'm about 3/4 planning to build a kit Model
A Sedan when I'm done with Vamoose, and when I saw that listed on your site,
it was the 1st thing I opened. When do you plan on starting it ?? Or are
you working on it along with the plane ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: SlingShot Kit I For Sale
>
> I hate to do this but my life demands it...
>
> I would like to offer my SlingShot project for sale. I have Kit I 90%
> completely assembled which includes the wings, ailerons, and all tail
> surfaces; esentially what you would get with the Quick Build option
> from Kolb. This can all be seen on my construction log at my website:
> http://roberthaines.tripod.com. I am asking $5,000.
>
> If y'all could pass this information around I would appreciate it.
> Thanks.
>
>
> Robert Haines
> Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SlingShot Kit I For Sale |
Sheesh ! ! ! Story of my later life. You'd think by now that I'd know to
look at the address before I hit "send." Thought it was going direct.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SlingShot Kit I For Sale
>
> I just looked at your website, and I think you did a really good job.
Lots
> of detail, that will help others get a good start. Thing that really
> caught my eye, was the Model A. I'm about 3/4 planning to build a kit
Model
> A Sedan when I'm done with Vamoose, and when I saw that listed on your
site,
> it was the 1st thing I opened. When do you plan on starting it ?? Or are
> you working on it along with the plane ?? Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:48 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: SlingShot Kit I For Sale
>
>
> >
> > I hate to do this but my life demands it...
> >
> > I would like to offer my SlingShot project for sale. I have Kit I 90%
> > completely assembled which includes the wings, ailerons, and all tail
> > surfaces; esentially what you would get with the Quick Build option
> > from Kolb. This can all be seen on my construction log at my website:
> > http://roberthaines.tripod.com. I am asking $5,000.
> >
> > If y'all could pass this information around I would appreciate it.
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Robert Haines
> > Murphysboro, Illinois
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net> |
I used a stopwatch hung around my neck on a string to record my flight
time, and to compare with the GPS estimated time of arrival to warn of
adverse wind conditions that may keep me from reaching my destination on
five gallons of gas. Being old and wearing bifocals the string was quite
long. When I turned onto the runway, I would start it and drop the watch,
pull the stick clear back and advance the throttle for takeoff. One day I
followed this procedure and I discovered that liftoff was not occuring as
it should. I glanced down and the stopwatch had fallen inbetween the
leading edge of the seat and the stick, preventing the stick from being
held the whole way back. Also during a cross country flight, I would have
to fumble around to find the timer on the string.
To overcome these problems, I built a timer that attaches to the top of the
stick. I operate it with my thumb, and I never have to look or fumble
around for it. It makes my stick about two inches longer too. I can't use
a timer on the panel because using a five point seat belt prevents me from
reaching the panel. In answering a request for information about the stick
timer, I put a more detailed description on my web site at:
http://216.97.22.2/jack/firefly/firefly27a.html
If you are interested, please visit.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noelbou(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Link to Pictures of my damaged Twinstar MkII |
Hello All,
Once again a link to my WWW site (The link should work this time, thanks
Larry !)
http://www3.sympatico.ca/noelbou
Noel
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Dead Horse, Alaska |
Hi Gang:
A couple pics I found of Dead Horse, Alaska.
You never know who you might meet on the streets up there.
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bear%2520aci.jpg
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bearfamily.jpg
Dead Horse is not the average "run of the mill" town!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Horse, Alaska |
Howdy Rainer,
Guck Dir mal die Bilder an. Dann kanste sagen "Nur in Amerika!"
Hi Gang:
A couple pics I found of Dead Horse, Alaska.
You never know who you might meet on the streets up there.
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bear%2520aci.jpg
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bearfamily.jpg
Dead Horse is not the average "run of the mill" town!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dead Horse, Alaska |
Don't think I'd want to wake up the cute "doggy" in the 2nd pic, John. For
some reason, I get an error on the 1st one, and it switches over to the
earthlink homepage. ( ??? ) Anyone else ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Dead Horse, Alaska
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> A couple pics I found of Dead Horse, Alaska.
>
> You never know who you might meet on the streets up there.
>
> http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bear%2520aci.jpg
>
> http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bearfamily.jpg
>
> Dead Horse is not the average "run of the mill" town!
>
> john h
>
>
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
That looks like a darned good idea, Jack. Simple and convenient. It's
working out a lot better now that so many people are putting extra info on a
URL. Don't have to wait for long downloads if you don't want to, those who
aren't interested don't have to look at it, and a lot more info is
available, with little waiting time, for those who do want it. I think it
benefits everybody. Impressed Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Stick Timer
>
> I used a stopwatch hung around my neck on a string to record my flight
> time, and to compare with the GPS estimated time of arrival to warn of
> adverse wind conditions that may keep me from reaching my destination on
> five gallons of gas. Being old and wearing bifocals the string was quite
> long. When I turned onto the runway, I would start it and drop the watch,
> pull the stick clear back and advance the throttle for takeoff. One day I
> followed this procedure and I discovered that liftoff was not occuring as
> it should. I glanced down and the stopwatch had fallen inbetween the
> leading edge of the seat and the stick, preventing the stick from being
> held the whole way back. Also during a cross country flight, I would have
> to fumble around to find the timer on the string.
>
> To overcome these problems, I built a timer that attaches to the top of
the
> stick. I operate it with my thumb, and I never have to look or fumble
> around for it. It makes my stick about two inches longer too. I can't
use
> a timer on the panel because using a five point seat belt prevents me from
> reaching the panel. In answering a request for information about the
stick
> timer, I put a more detailed description on my web site at:
>
> http://216.97.22.2/jack/firefly/firefly27a.html
>
> If you are interested, please visit.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart(at)ldd.net
>
>
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| From: | TCowan1917(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ultra Light Fly -in June 2, 2001 |
In a message dated 02/17/2001 4:55:14 PM Central Standard Time, TCowan1917
writes:
> Bev and I are proud to announce that we are hosting another get together for
> our fine feathered friends. This will be as last year, a low keyed, no
> contest, get together. There will be toilet facilities, food and of course
> gas and oil on site for your convenience. We hope to have a mass fly of
> the sod farms to the West of us. Weather prevented this last year. This
> is approximately thirty five miles of zig zag toward Tuskegee, Al. All are
> welcome to come early, stay late. Camping on site, limited showers and
> beds available. No RSVP necessary. No admission fees. Tell your friends
> and fellow flyers. Again this year, the public is NOT invited. You may
> attend without an aircraft. But --- this is not an open field for the
> public to attend. Trikes are welcome but unfortunately, para planes are
> not. NO CHUTES. Fixed wing only. Anyone requiring a road map may email me
> for further info. The Flying C's Planetation co-ords: GPS
> N32-25-005/W85-17-900 That is approximately twenty miles West of Phenix
> City, Al and/or 15 miles South of Opelika, Auburn, Al. Feel free to reach
> me at: 1-334-480-0822.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lance McAfee" <southlandav(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultra Light Fly -in June 2, 2001 |
I got everything but the date, please advise. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TCowan1917(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:22 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ultra Light Fly -in June 2, 2001
In a message dated 02/17/2001 4:55:14 PM Central Standard Time, TCowan1917
writes:
> Bev and I are proud to announce that we are hosting another get together
for
> our fine feathered friends. This will be as last year, a low keyed, no
> contest, get together. There will be toilet facilities, food and of
course
> gas and oil on site for your convenience. We hope to have a mass fly of
> the sod farms to the West of us. Weather prevented this last year. This
> is approximately thirty five miles of zig zag toward Tuskegee, Al. All
are
> welcome to come early, stay late. Camping on site, limited showers and
> beds available. No RSVP necessary. No admission fees. Tell your friends
> and fellow flyers. Again this year, the public is NOT invited. You may
> attend without an aircraft. But --- this is not an open field for the
> public to attend. Trikes are welcome but unfortunately, para planes are
> not. NO CHUTES. Fixed wing only. Anyone requiring a road map may email
me
> for further info. The Flying C's Planetation co-ords: GPS
> N32-25-005/W85-17-900 That is approximately twenty miles West of Phenix
> City, Al and/or 15 miles South of Opelika, Auburn, Al. Feel free to reach
> me at: 1-334-480-0822.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Dead Horse, Alaska |
| From: | Ray L Baker <rbaker2(at)juno.com> |
Larry/John,
No trouble here. Both pix OK. The 2nd gives ne meaning to "Let sleeping
dogs/bears lay"
Ray
writes:
>
>
> Don't think I'd want to wake up the cute "doggy" in the 2nd pic,
> John. For
> some reason, I get an error on the 1st one, and it switches over to
> the
> earthlink homepage. ( ??? ) Anyone else ?? Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
> To: "Kolb List"
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:54 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Dead Horse, Alaska
>
>
>
> >
> > Hi Gang:
> >
> > A couple pics I found of Dead Horse, Alaska.
> >
> > You never know who you might meet on the streets up there.
> >
> >
> http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bear%2520aci.jpg
> >
> >
> http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%202001/Pics/bearfamily.jpg
> >
> > Dead Horse is not the average "run of the mill" town!
> >
> > john h
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Singer <hp2693(at)cmuonline.net> |
Just for info if anyone was watching, the Kolb on EBAY sold today for
$411. Probably was more worth there than that. Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MIKE HOUSEWERT <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net> |
Kolb Mark III - 2 person
582 Rotax Liquid Cooled w/ electric starter
BRS Chute (New 11/18/00)
89.9 total hours plane and engine
For photos go to this web sight: http://www.volkswagenhomebrew.com/Kolb.htm
Full Instruments altimeter, airspeed, vertical airspeed, RPMs, CHT x 2,
EGT x 2, water temperature, water pressure, inclinometer, compass
Strobes
Warp 3 Blade Prop
12 V outlet
Electric fuel pump
Dual Throttles
4 point harnesss
2 5 gallons fuel tanks
Hydraulic Disc (heel) brakes
Full enclosure
Stits fabric cover - White with some blue and red
Always Hangered
Purchased end of July 2000, then trucked to The New Kolb Co. who trucked it
to their authorized airplane builder, Lite Speed Aviation in Stranton,
Kentucky. Lite Speed went through the plane top to bottom, nose to tail,
and brought everything into original specifications, including installation
of a new BRS parachute.
Paid $21,075.00, which includes the initial cost plus all the inspections,
minor repairs, new BRS parachute, and test flying by The New Kolb Companys
authorized airplane builder Lite Speed Aviation.
Asking $19,000.00
Mike Housewert
815-332-3136
815-519-3332 (Cellular Phone)
815-296-6003 (Pager)
For photos go to this web sight: http://www.volkswagenhomebrew.com/Kolb.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
I HOIST A 21' BOAT FULL OF SCUBA GEAR ABOUT 25 TIMES A YEAR ONTO A TRAILER
WITH ONLY ONE NICO SLEEVE ON THE WINCH CABLE WITH NO SIGHNS OF SLIPPAGE.IS
THERE ANY REASON FOR TWO ,ON KOLBS CONTROL CABLES ?
DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J STILL WAITING TO BUILD FS II
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
What if that were your loved ones you were raising away from certain
death.....
Would two be too many!
Julian Warren
Eugene, Oregon
TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> I HOIST A 21' BOAT FULL OF SCUBA GEAR ABOUT 25 TIMES A YEAR ONTO A TRAILER
> WITH ONLY ONE NICO SLEEVE ON THE WINCH CABLE WITH NO SIGHNS OF SLIPPAGE.IS
> THERE ANY REASON FOR TWO ,ON KOLBS CONTROL CABLES ?
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J STILL WAITING TO BUILD FS II
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
YOU MAKE NO SENSE !
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
ULTRALIGHT FLYING MAG. HAS AN ARTICLE IN WING TIPS,NOV.ISSUE PAGE 40 ABOUT
NICO PRESS FITTINGS.VERY IMPORTANT TO FLARE NICO ENDS.WORTH READING.
DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
There are two nicos on there because sometimes one will slip. Sometimes not.
The second one is a .15 cent insurance policy. Cheap at twice the price.
I have had nicos slip before. Two nicos is the correct number.
Especially if you plan to take your wife and kids for a ride.
Especially if you only use one on your up elevator cable and it slips.
The first nicopress tool I ever used was borrowed from the Rockwell Aircraft
factory in Albany, Ga. many years ago, it was certified for proper squeeze,
and the test nico we made (me and a local A & P) slipped. Unfortunately,
what I had done was make a short length of 3/32" cable with a nico and
thimble on each end, Hung one thimble over a nail stuck in a rafter of
the garage, stuck a big screwdriver through the other thimble, grabbed it
on each side of the thimble with a hand and tried to chin myself.
When the cable slipped through the nico, my chinning exercise resulted in me
smashing the side of the screwdriver shaft into the bridge of my nose,
resulting in my acute distress, and my friends unseemly amusement.
Use two nicos.
PS. Using all caps in your message is the internet equivalent of
shouting at someone.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>I HOIST A 21' BOAT FULL OF SCUBA GEAR ABOUT 25 TIMES A YEAR ONTO A TRAILER
>WITH ONLY ONE NICO SLEEVE ON THE WINCH CABLE WITH NO SIGHNS OF SLIPPAGE.IS
>THERE ANY REASON FOR TWO ,ON KOLBS CONTROL CABLES ?
>
>DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J STILL WAITING TO BUILD FS II
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Citation HVLP Spray System |
Hey Gang:
I am in a good mood. Got a lot of work done today. Just
finished putting the last coat of epoxy primer on the nose
pod, got my gun and equipment cleaned and put up. Even got
the nose pod back in the shop without knocking the bark off
of it. Not much room hauling it through the shop door with
several wet coats of epoxy primer. This is the turning
point in repairing the nose pod which included a buncha
sanding and spraying and filling and more sanding. But I
got it. Maybe tomorrow, if the weather cooperates, the nose
pod will be Cub Yellow Aerothane.
Want to thank Jim and Dondi Miller for their generous
support of Polyfiber Materials for the repair of my MK
III. Because of their assistance I was able to purchase the
Citation HVLP Spray System with fresh air supply from them.
Three or four days ago, when I shot the first cup of sanding
filler, if you had asked me how I like it, I would have
shook my head and wondered why I spent all the money for
it. Today, I have a much better attitude about my new paint
system. I have to remember I have not had a gun in my hand
in 8 years, I have an new operating system that does not
adjust nor operate like the old Binks high pressure gun
did.
I especially like the fresh air system. The fact that I am
still on two feet, after all the painting I did with epoxy
and urethane paints back in the 80's and early 90's wearing
a respirator with charcoal filters, is a miracle, and I
still may pay for it in the future. The fresh air system
delivers nice cool air at low pressure. Thought it was
going to be a problem dragging around two hoses, but that is
part of the learning process and doesn't seem to be
troublesome.
Tomorrow will try and get the seat frames, main gear legs
cleaned and primed, also get the nose pod finished. After
the nose pod is thoroughly dry, I can reinstall it and start
installing the new windshield, door and quarter window
glass. We'll get the fuselage out of the shop this week, if
the weather cooperates. That means the wings come home to
the shop, remove fabric, repair left wing, replace fabric,
dope and paint.
Getting excited about flying again.
The New Kolb Aircraft Company has picked up sponsorship for
my flight to Oshkosh 2001 via Point Barrow, Alaska. They
are not going to be as generous as they were last year, but
I appreciate what they are doing. Everybody seems to be
"tightening their belts" these days. Dana Labhart is going
to keep up with preparation and execution of the flight on
the Kolb web site again this year. She did a great job last
year. She was also a shoulder I could lean on when things
were not going exactly like I wanted them to go. As soon as
I get a break I will start posting information on the web
site. We will have the Barrow Flight Patches for
sponsorship again this year. I do not know what the details
are, whether we will go with last years patch, come up with
new date, or what. I will leave that up the the big boys at
Kolb to make those decisions. I want to thank everyone who
supported the flight last year, whether you donated money or
not is not that important. The main thing is you were
behind me in spirit. I need all the support I can get.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
Dave,
On my Loehle Sport Parasols control cables I only used one swage per end,
these are more than strong enough,and are far from the weakest link in the
system. However I am using double swages on the Kolb, I guess since I will
be taking other lives along, I want to have the redundancy of two swages.
Make sure you have a gauge for checking your swages for proper crimping
when you build.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
> I HOIST A 21' BOAT FULL OF SCUBA GEAR ABOUT 25 TIMES A YEAR ONTO A TRAILER
> WITH ONLY ONE NICO SLEEVE ON THE WINCH CABLE WITH NO SIGHNS OF SLIPPAGE.IS
> THERE ANY REASON FOR TWO ,ON KOLBS CONTROL CABLES ?
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J STILL WAITING TO BUILD FS II
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
DENNY,I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REDUNDANCY BUT MY RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT ME TO THIS
QUOTE BY DENNIS PAGEN USUA 14 (I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SLIPPING CABLE ON A
PROPERLY APPLIED SINGLE NICO SYSTEM IN FACT,TWO NICOS CAN BE WEAKER IF THE
SECOND IS NOT APPLIED SO THAT THE CABLES BETWEEN THE NICOS ARE PERFECTLY EVEN
IN LENGTH.)
DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sabean(at)ns.sympatico.ca (Tom Sabean) |
| Subject: | Wing Constuction |
Thanks to all the listers who took the time to answer my questions about
building the wings. I have the left wing laid out and was trial fitting
the drag strut and now I have some more questions.
The plans say to place the drag strut assembly into position in the wing
but do not rivet the tubes together now. When do they get riveted
together?
Also, they say to fasten the drag strut to the gusset with a couple of
rivets. Again, when do they get completely riveted?
Tom Sabean
Building Mk3 Xtra
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
Any Kolb builders/pilots in/near Columbus Ohio? I'm there Tuesday night.
Kip Laurie
Firestar II
N111KX
Atlanta
52 hours since 9/00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
Dave,
You make a fair point and quote a very knowledgable person in Mr Pagen,
however through the list and also by meeting him at the new Kolb fly in, I
have come to deeply respect Mr Pikes technical savy, if he properly swaged a
cable, as I am sure he did, and had it slip, it can happen to anybody. Use
two swages, and do them properly. We DO now know of a properly single
swaged cable slipping, and Old Poops has a bent nose to prove it. :-)
Sincerely,
Denny Rowe
Godspeed Mr, Earnhardt :-{
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
> DENNY,I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REDUNDANCY BUT MY RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT ME TO THIS
> QUOTE BY DENNIS PAGEN USUA 14 (I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SLIPPING CABLE ON
A
> PROPERLY APPLIED SINGLE NICO SYSTEM IN FACT,TWO NICOS CAN BE WEAKER IF THE
> SECOND IS NOT APPLIED SO THAT THE CABLES BETWEEN THE NICOS ARE PERFECTLY
EVEN
> IN LENGTH.)
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
I didn't want to say anything until I had experience with Kolbs aluminum
tubing, but I now have my horizontal stab. done. Anyone using a
hacksaw certainly has my admiration, but as for me and my Xtra the table
saw with a 10 inch carbide saw blade is the way to go. It litterly cut
like a dream, absolutely no burrs. Sharp edges...you bet! I took 400
grit emery paper and took the edges off, by cupping the emery paper and
just spinning the tube. Interior edge taken off by depressing the emery
paper in the center of tube and spinning. Smooth as you could ever want
it.
I'll speak to the gussets later, but I took the little notch out of the
factory made gussets with my band saw.....again it cut like butter. No
aluminum in either blade. Not everyone has the lubricating spray, so I
did it cold turkey. I couldn't have been happier.
The only cautions I would offer is wear your safety glasses, and raise
the blade only far enough to clear your material by about a quarter of
an inch on the table saw. (Cut slowly....you are in no great hurry!) On
the band saw I lower the guide to about an eighth of an inch off the
material.
I second what I have seen on the LIST before. Read your manual, and
study the Blue prints. There are typo's on the blue prints, but nothing
you won't notice when studying the manual and blueprints. Also save
yourself some problems by knowing where the rivets are going to serve
double duty....... I took a yellow highlighter and marked every place
this happens. Hopefully I caught them all.
I'll keep you over informed as I go...... I am just forgetting to take
pictures! I am just not used to it, and I hate attempting to re-create.
Julian Warren
Eugene, Oregon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Citation HVLP Spray System |
Hey John,
Keep up the good work,we'll be watching.
John Bruzan FSII Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Fordahl" <cafordahl(at)qwest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cutting tubing |
Julian,
I took a sheet of 11x17 paper, which is very square, and wrapped it around
the tube so that the edges lined up at the proposed cut location with the
paper on the side of the cut-line of the material to keep. I then used a
marker and overlapped the paper and the tube to give me a sharp line to
follow after removing the paper. I used the finest hacksaw blade I could
get and started cutting.. Once I broke through the wall I only cut one side
rotating the tube as I cut. This allowed me to focus on a single narrow
portion. It came out great. I put a square on the end and it was dead on.
Dressed up the end and it was good to go.
If any one is interested I used a similar proceedure to copy hole patterns
from one tube to another in a repair job. I can give details if anyone is
interested.
Craig Fordahl
Kolb Twinstar
Loretto, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Warren" <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting tubing
>
> I didn't want to say anything until I had experience with Kolbs aluminum
> tubing, but I now have my horizontal stab. done. Anyone using a
> hacksaw certainly has my admiration, but as for me and my Xtra the table
> saw with a 10 inch carbide saw blade is the way to go. It litterly cut
> like a dream, absolutely no burrs. Sharp edges...you bet! I took 400
> grit emery paper and took the edges off, by cupping the emery paper and
> just spinning the tube. Interior edge taken off by depressing the emery
> paper in the center of tube and spinning. Smooth as you could ever want
> it.
>
........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Fordahl" <cafordahl(at)qwest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cutting tubing |
I neglected to say the technique I used was on the large boom tube.
Craig Fordahl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Warren" <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting tubing
>
> I didn't want to say anything until I had experience with Kolbs aluminum
> tubing, but I now have my horizontal stab. done. Anyone using a
> hacksaw certainly has my admiration, but as for me and my Xtra the table
> saw with a 10 inch carbide saw blade is the way to go. It litterly cut
> like a dream, absolutely no burrs. Sharp edges...you bet! I took 400
> grit emery paper and took the edges off, by cupping the emery paper and
> just spinning the tube. Interior edge taken off by depressing the emery
> paper in the center of tube and spinning. Smooth as you could ever want
> it.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Richmond" <dvrich(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Listers
Having a brainstorm, need info.
What does the covering fabric weigh per square foot or yard when
finished,sealed,painted ect?
Crazy Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DataBuilder" <DataBuilder(at)rcsis.com> |
Has anyone out there ever installed a more comfortable seat in a Firestar?
I have a feeling I am not the only one that thinks the built in seat is a
bit Spartan and can become uncomfortable on long flights. I have been
looking at some of the contoured fiberglass seats available and I am
thinking that the existing framing could be cut out and new mounts could be
welded in for the new seat. I could even picture a way to make the seat
hinge forward on the mounts.
Has anyone done something like this? Is this a bad idea? I would
appreciate any feedback(I think?).
Oh ya, I already have a nice cushion that came with the plane, and it is a
big help, but after about an hour or so I start getting butt aches.
Brian Hale
Sacramento, CA
Firestar I
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
Richard and Julian are absolutely right..........use two ! ! ! HOW COME
YOU'RE SHOUTING AT US ?? Big Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
> I HOIST A 21' BOAT FULL OF SCUBA GEAR ABOUT 25 TIMES A YEAR ONTO A TRAILER
> WITH ONLY ONE NICO SLEEVE ON THE WINCH CABLE WITH NO SIGHNS OF SLIPPAGE.IS
> THERE ANY REASON FOR TWO ,ON KOLBS CONTROL CABLES ?
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J STILL WAITING TO BUILD FS II
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cutting tubing |
You can't let us down like that, Julian.................take those pictures
! ! ! Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Warren" <jgw300(at)webolium.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting tubing
>
> I didn't want to say anything until I had experience with Kolbs aluminum
> tubing, but I now have my horizontal stab. done. Anyone using a
> hacksaw certainly has my admiration, but as for me and my Xtra the table
> saw with a 10 inch carbide saw blade is the way to go. It litterly cut
> like a dream, absolutely no burrs. Sharp edges...you bet! I took 400
> grit emery paper and took the edges off, by cupping the emery paper and
> just spinning the tube. Interior edge taken off by depressing the emery
> paper in the center of tube and spinning. Smooth as you could ever want
> it.
>
> I'll speak to the gussets later, but I took the little notch out of the
> factory made gussets with my band saw.....again it cut like butter. No
> aluminum in either blade. Not everyone has the lubricating spray, so I
> did it cold turkey. I couldn't have been happier.
>
> The only cautions I would offer is wear your safety glasses, and raise
> the blade only far enough to clear your material by about a quarter of
> an inch on the table saw. (Cut slowly....you are in no great hurry!) On
> the band saw I lower the guide to about an eighth of an inch off the
> material.
>
> I second what I have seen on the LIST before. Read your manual, and
> study the Blue prints. There are typo's on the blue prints, but nothing
> you won't notice when studying the manual and blueprints. Also save
> yourself some problems by knowing where the rivets are going to serve
> double duty....... I took a yellow highlighter and marked every place
> this happens. Hopefully I caught them all.
>
> I'll keep you over informed as I go...... I am just forgetting to take
> pictures! I am just not used to it, and I hate attempting to re-create.
>
> Julian Warren
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Seat |
Don't know about the FireStar, but I put dune buggy seats in my Mk III.
Look and feel great, but I'm still gonna fool with temper foam, and maybe a
little better lumbar support. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "DataBuilder" <DataBuilder(at)rcsis.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 8:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Seat
>
> Has anyone out there ever installed a more comfortable seat in a Firestar?
> I have a feeling I am not the only one that thinks the built in seat is a
> bit Spartan and can become uncomfortable on long flights. I have been
> looking at some of the contoured fiberglass seats available and I am
> thinking that the existing framing could be cut out and new mounts could
be
> welded in for the new seat. I could even picture a way to make the seat
> hinge forward on the mounts.
>
> Has anyone done something like this? Is this a bad idea? I would
> appreciate any feedback(I think?).
>
> Oh ya, I already have a nice cushion that came with the plane, and it is a
> big help, but after about an hour or so I start getting butt aches.
>
> Brian Hale
> Sacramento, CA
> Firestar I
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kottke, Dwight" <dkottke(at)scherping.carlisle.com> |
| Subject: | NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
This weekend while building my canopy for my Firestar I dropped a wrench
and put a hole in my fabric. Any suggestions on how to patch it?
The Flying Farmer
-----Original Message-----
From: TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com [mailto:TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
DENNY,I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REDUNDANCY BUT MY RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT ME TO THIS
QUOTE BY DENNIS PAGEN USUA 14 (I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SLIPPING CABLE ON A
PROPERLY APPLIED SINGLE NICO SYSTEM IN FACT,TWO NICOS CAN BE WEAKER IF THE
SECOND IS NOT APPLIED SO THAT THE CABLES BETWEEN THE NICOS ARE PERFECTLY
EVEN
IN LENGTH.)
DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
What covering system and paint did you use?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kottke, Dwight <dkottke(at)scherping.carlisle.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
> This weekend while building my canopy for my Firestar I dropped a wrench
> and put a hole in my fabric. Any suggestions on how to patch it?
>
> The Flying Farmer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com [mailto:TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:37 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
>
> DENNY,I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REDUNDANCY BUT MY RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT ME TO THIS
> QUOTE BY DENNIS PAGEN USUA 14 (I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SLIPPING CABLE ON
A
>
> PROPERLY APPLIED SINGLE NICO SYSTEM IN FACT,TWO NICOS CAN BE WEAKER IF THE
> SECOND IS NOT APPLIED SO THAT THE CABLES BETWEEN THE NICOS ARE PERFECTLY
> EVEN
> IN LENGTH.)
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
>
>
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| From: | "Howard Ping" <howard.ping(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Seat |
Brian
I'm sure you will get a lot of feedback on this one.
Firestar seats are miserable at best. Several years
ago I got into a drawn out crosscountry due to headwind
and rough air. The rail that attaches the seat actually
pinched a nerve as I was being slammed down aganist
it, and other times half my butt was out of the seat.
I cured the cushion problem with a Gel-pad, about
60 bucks from any cycle outlet. and replaced the cloth
seat with a sheet of aluminum that goes all the way
across the seat and is turned up about three inches on
each end, to hold you in the seat. It's not bolted directly
to the seat rails but clamped around them, so the seat can
swivel to some degree. The last thing was better seat belts.
I'm very satisfied with this setup, If you wish I'll
e-mail you some pictures.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: DataBuilder <DataBuilder(at)rcsis.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Seat
>
> Has anyone out there ever installed a more comfortable seat in a Firestar?
> I have a feeling I am not the only one that thinks the built in seat is a
> bit Spartan and can become uncomfortable on long flights. I have been
> looking at some of the contoured fiberglass seats available and I am
> thinking that the existing framing could be cut out and new mounts could
be
> welded in for the new seat. I could even picture a way to make the seat
> hinge forward on the mounts.
>
> Has anyone done something like this? Is this a bad idea? I would
> appreciate any feedback(I think?).
>
> Oh ya, I already have a nice cushion that came with the plane, and it is a
> big help, but after about an hour or so I start getting butt aches.
>
> Brian Hale
> Sacramento, CA
> Firestar I
>
>
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| From: | "Kottke, Dwight" <dkottke(at)scherping.carlisle.com> |
| Subject: | NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ? |
I'm not sure, I'll have to go back to the original owner and ask him.
-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Rowe [mailto:rowedl(at)alltel.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
What covering system and paint did you use?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kottke, Dwight <dkottke(at)scherping.carlisle.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
> This weekend while building my canopy for my Firestar I dropped a wrench
> and put a hole in my fabric. Any suggestions on how to patch it?
>
> The Flying Farmer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com [mailto:TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:37 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
>
> DENNY,I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REDUNDANCY BUT MY RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT ME TO THIS
> QUOTE BY DENNIS PAGEN USUA 14 (I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SLIPPING CABLE ON
A
>
> PROPERLY APPLIED SINGLE NICO SYSTEM IN FACT,TWO NICOS CAN BE WEAKER IF THE
> SECOND IS NOT APPLIED SO THAT THE CABLES BETWEEN THE NICOS ARE PERFECTLY
> EVEN
> IN LENGTH.)
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
>
>
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Warp Drive Blade Grip Design |
Morning Gang:
Dan Horton, a friend and fellow Oshkosh Grand Champion
(1998) Light Plane builder and flyer, had an opportunity to
exam very closely the root end of a Warp Drive blade.
Attached is his post to another List. The url leads to a
picture of the cross section of the blade root.
john h
***********************************************************
Thought you guys might be interested in seeing this.
I've uploaded a photo to the "Files" section. It's a
cross-
section of a Warp Drive blade root. This blade was mounted
on an
EJ22 Subaru, flown on a gyro by a hangermate. The gyro
crashed
and
the blade hit the ground with the engine at WOT. (FWIW, the
pilot
walked away.) Anyway, that's how I obtained this blade.
I bandsawed the blade root at a right angle to the
blade
chord,
then sanded the surface to bring out the fabric grain. You
can
see
an outer aluminum sheath, an inner aluminum sheath embedded
in
the
carbon fiber, the ends of an embedded ring at the very base,
and
a
split pin. The core appears to be a hardwood dowel.
I've highlighted the important detail in yellow. Note
the
fabric grain at the imbedded ring. It wraps around the ring
and
tucks back inside the imbedded sheath. More weave wraps
around
the
end of the imbedded sheath and is trapped between the inner
sheath
and the outer sheath. The wood core is merely filler. The
effect is
to firmly anchor the core fabric. It's impossible to pull
out
the
blade core until load is high enough to fail the carbon
fabric in
tension. It's quite different from a system that merely
clamps
an
outer aluminum cup with a bonded-in wood blade.
The wrap process helps create a "knob" on the end of
the
blade
root. That knob would have to pull through the Warp blade
blocks
in
order for the entire blade to leave the hub.
Although I like the Warp very well I am not suggesting
it is
the
best choice for the 3-cyl Suzuki, for reasons stated in
previous
posts. I am suggesting that the Warp has very good blade
retention.
With an example to see for yourself, you can draw your own
conclusions.
Dan Horton
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/WarpDrive%2520blade%2520butt.jpg
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| From: | John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Seat |
Brian and FSI/II jockeys,
I agree that the Firestar I/II seat is uncomfortable for flights as short as
an hour. There are two things to consider when changing the seat in a Firestar
I/II. One is access and space for a passenger in II's, and the other is head
room for pilots that are about 6 feet or more.
I failed to come up with a design for an improved seat that would allow access
and leg room for the passenger. So I kept the original seat back and just
midified it with padding that includes lumbar support.
I think that I could have done well with the bottom of the seat, except that I
had limited headroom ( I am 6 feet tall) and I could add much padding. I did
add a piece of plywood under the seat pad so that the front could be raised to
give more leg support and "spread the load". The sides, under each leg, are
extended further forward than the original seat, leaving the center shorter to
not interfere with the stick.
The result is that I can fly about twice as long before getting uncomfortable.
But it is still less than two hours. I have not taken pictures of this seat
for my web page, but it is my plans. My goal is to document each of the
changes that I have made to my Firestar II.
John Jung
http://www.execpc.com/~jrjung/Firestar.html
DataBuilder wrote:
>
> Has anyone out there ever installed a more comfortable seat in a Firestar?
> I have a feeling I am not the only one that thinks the built in seat is a
> bit Spartan and can become uncomfortable on long flights. I have been
> looking at some of the contoured fiberglass seats available and I am
> thinking that the existing framing could be cut out and new mounts could be
> welded in for the new seat. I could even picture a way to make the seat
> hinge forward on the mounts.
>
> Has anyone done something like this? Is this a bad idea? I would
> appreciate any feedback(I think?).
>
> Oh ya, I already have a nice cushion that came with the plane, and it is a
> big help, but after about an hour or so I start getting butt aches.
>
> Brian Hale
> Sacramento, CA
> Firestar I
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Waligroski, Gregg" <Gregg.Waligroski(at)pantellos.com> |
Dave,
The real question you have to answer is how do you know the swage is
properly installed?
In the aerospace world we usually use visual inspection, calibrated tools,
specific procedures and typically a proof loading test that would be applied
prior to use. Sometimes, not often, you do all of the steps per procedure
and things inspect OK, the tool was calibrated and still something comes
apart in the proofload. During one set of tests we broke some cables in
proofload to create some reference break strengths. The failure never
occurred in the swaged end but in the cable itself, although in one case it
appeared if the first had slipped slightly but no breakage occurred. As far
as the second swage reducing the cable strength I never saw that but maybe
we had the second installed correctly. If the application is designed
properly the cables are not designed to be operating near their breaking
load strength. I have had a single swage slip on my rigging for my Hobie
Cat sailboat. Pretty dramatic and scary when the mast decides to part
company suddenly......The environmental exposure to salt water over time
probably contributed but they looked okay the day before when I rigged the
mast. There has been a hang glider fatality attributed to a single slipped
swage. My hang glider and my Kolb use double swages on all of the cables.
In addition you can put a little inspection paint on the cable so you can
visibly notice any slippage in the preflight (Fingernail polish actually
works pretty good and you can get it in some nasty bright colors that are
easy to see).
Since your rear end depends on it, as someone else said two are cheap
insurance for slippage.
Gregg Waligroski
Kolb North of Houston - now to find a runway.......
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
Dave,
You make a fair point and quote a very knowledgable person in Mr Pagen,
however through the list and also by meeting him at the new Kolb fly in, I
have come to deeply respect Mr Pikes technical savy, if he properly swaged a
cable, as I am sure he did, and had it slip, it can happen to anybody. Use
two swages, and do them properly. We DO now know of a properly single
swaged cable slipping, and Old Poops has a bent nose to prove it. :-)
Sincerely,
Denny Rowe
Godspeed Mr, Earnhardt :-{
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NICO SLEEVES TWO OR ONE ?
>
> DENNY,I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REDUNDANCY BUT MY RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT ME TO THIS
> QUOTE BY DENNIS PAGEN USUA 14 (I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SLIPPING CABLE ON
A
> PROPERLY APPLIED SINGLE NICO SYSTEM IN FACT,TWO NICOS CAN BE WEAKER IF THE
> SECOND IS NOT APPLIED SO THAT THE CABLES BETWEEN THE NICOS ARE PERFECTLY
EVEN
> IN LENGTH.)
>
> DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Skip Staub <skipnann(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Double swages |
Double swages or single swages? I wonder if there is not another aspect
which might be considered as the weak link?
Here is what happened to me recently with a cable. This was not on an
aircraft, but was on an antenna tower that was using aircraft grade, =BC inch
extra flexible cable. Due to an operator error, the cable was
inadvertently stressed beyond it's breaking point. The single swage did
not slip, however the cable broke immediately adjacent to the swaged
fitting as it exited the swage. Why the cable broke right next to the
swaged fitting, where the cable was not exposed to the outdoor elements, as
opposed to the majority of the cable run which was exposed to the elements,
is the question.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TAILDRAGGER503(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Double swages |
GREGG,THANKS FOR THE INTELLIGENT ANSWER TO MY CURIOUS QUESTION.
DAVE SNYDER LONG BRANCH ,N.J. BUILDING FSII
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| From: | ZepRep251(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Seat |
Brian; you can make that seat very comfortable by using temperfoam from
Hi-Tech Foams in Lincoln Nebraska. It is closed cell foam like they use in
the Shuttle seats. After you sit on it for a few minutes you can see the
wrinkles in your underwear imprinted in it. They make it multilayered
according to your wieght.Be prepared to spend about 90.00 bucks and be
pleasantly surprised too.G.Aman FS2
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> |
Kolbers,
I received my ATC 250R rads on monday. for being from an 85 off road
vehicle they are in great shape.
They are only slightly bigger in the cooling matrix area than the dual
Rotax rads. The matrix works out to be 90 sq inches total.
Hope to have the mounts worked out in a week or so. I am planning on
milling some really fancy hose fittings from 6061.
i'll send Julian some more photos for his web sight as things progress.
later,
Denny
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: covering weight |
| From: | Ray L Baker <rbaker2(at)juno.com> |
Dan,
Out of curiosity I weighed the rudder and elevators after covering and
before applying the Stits coatings. I sprayed on 2 coats of Poly-Brush, 3
coats of Poly-Spray and 2 coats of Poly-Tone Insignia White. (All coats
were cross coats). Afterward I weighed them again.
All the coatings resulted in an increase of 5 ounces on the elevators and
8 ounces on rudder. Most of the weight in the materials evaporates.
writes:
> What does the covering fabric weigh per square foot or yard when
> finished,sealed,painted ect?
>
> Crazy Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying sideways... Yaw Strings and LEFT RUDDER |
In a message dated 2/17/01 7:02:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Scott(at)disney.com
writes:
> However - what is with this holding left rudder?? I noticed I was
> holding left almost all the time... So I attached a yaw string and
> according to it, I was flying sideways! And when I straightend the
> plane up (according to the string) it felt REALLY wierd, and my IAS
> was dropping a little.
>
> In the end, I concluded that I must have installed the string off
> center, or some such and decided to ignore it until I got on the
> ground. It turns out it was a little off center, so I pulled it off
> and will try to re-install it (maybe tie it to the pitot)
> tomorrow. But I do think, mis-installed or not, the string was telling
> part of the truth.
>
> Looking back in the archives, I see people talking about rudder trim
> tabs and yaw strings - but no real conclusion. I did find that when I
> didn't know I was skidding the plane seemed to fly better... what is
> up with this? Is there a recommended solution?
>
> I do NOT have a rudder trim tab, I do have aileron trim (which seems
> to having me banking to the left hands off) that seems to need some
> adjustment.
>
> Your brother in the land of Kolb,
>
I had a similar problem and checked my wingtips and sure enough, noticed that
one was causing up and the other was neutral...y'might check your tips
GeoR38
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Double swages |
>
> The single swage did
>not slip, however the cable broke immediately adjacent to the swaged
>fitting as it exited the swage. Why the cable broke right next to the
>swaged fitting, where the cable was not exposed to the outdoor elements, as
How long was the dead end of the cable? Did it end right at the swage?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Richmond" <dvrich(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: covering weight |
That's part of what I wanted to know, now all I need is to know the
surface area of fabric and what it weighed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray L Baker
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering weight
Dan,
Out of curiosity I weighed the rudder and elevators after covering and
before applying the Stits coatings. I sprayed on 2 coats of Poly-Brush,
3
coats of Poly-Spray and 2 coats of Poly-Tone Insignia White. (All coats
were cross coats). Afterward I weighed them again.
All the coatings resulted in an increase of 5 ounces on the elevators
and
8 ounces on rudder. Most of the weight in the materials evaporates.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com> |
| Subject: | dune buggy seats |
"Don't know about the FireStar, but I put dune buggy seats in my Mk III."
A friend of mine has a buggy & I checked out his seats. Very comfortable
but seemed quite heavy. How much do yours weigh? Did you order them from a
catalog?
Thanks,
Rex Rodebush (Rody) MarkIIIXtra in Cincinnati
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Skip Staub <skipnann(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Double swages |
> Kolb-List message posted by: Woody
> > The single swage did
> >not slip, however the cable broke immediately adjacent to the swaged
> >fitting as it exited the swage. Why the cable broke right next to the
> >swaged fitting, where the cable was not exposed to the outdoor elements, as>
> How long was the dead end of the cable? Did it end right at the swage?
The "dead end" of the cable extended through the swage better than a
quarter of an inch. I was surprised when I saw where the .250" cable
broke. I can only theorize that the swage's squeezing of the cable
distorted the cable enough to cause a weak spot on the cable or create a
weak link (so to speak). The only thing that I know for sure is that the
cable breaking caused me over $3,000 in damage.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: dune buggy seats |
Never did weigh one, but it's just a fiberglass shell with an upholstery
insert. I think about 5 or 6# each. Any VW magazine has lots of ads for
them. Not too spendy either. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 5:40 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: dune buggy seats
>
>
> "Don't know about the FireStar, but I put dune buggy seats in my Mk III."
>
> A friend of mine has a buggy & I checked out his seats. Very comfortable
> but seemed quite heavy. How much do yours weigh? Did you order them from
a
> catalog?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rex Rodebush (Rody) MarkIIIXtra in Cincinnati
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DataBuilder" <DataBuilder(at)rcsis.com> |
| Subject: | dune buggy seats |
I am getting a lot of feedback seats, I was sure right about not being the
only one that is uncomfortable in the Firestar I. But I am leaning towards
the fiberglass seat. I am hoping to find a seat that does not weigh too
much and is contoured on the bottom. From the pictures that I have seen
from CPS and other catalogs, there seats are flat bottom. I was told these
are not as comfortable as the contour seats. A Beaver at our field has some
nice contour seats that are very comfortable. Does anyone know a good
source for contoured fiberglas seats?
Brian Hale
Sacramento, CA
Firestar I
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jrodebush
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: dune buggy seats
"Don't know about the FireStar, but I put dune buggy seats in my Mk III."
A friend of mine has a buggy & I checked out his seats. Very comfortable
but seemed quite heavy. How much do yours weigh? Did you order them from a
catalog?
Thanks,
Rex Rodebush (Rody) MarkIIIXtra in Cincinnati
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)telepath.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cutting tubing |
> I took 400
> grit emery paper and took the edges off, by cupping the emery paper and
> just spinning the tube. Interior edge taken off by depressing the emery
> paper in the center of tube and spinning. Smooth as you could ever want
> it.
Get yourself a deburring tool....abt $4-5 fo a useful one. Makes
really quick work of the tube edges.....like about 3 seconds...
J.Baker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: dune buggy seats |
I am hoping to find a seat that does not weigh too
> much and is contoured on the bottom.
> Brian Hale
Morning Brian and Gang:
Doesn't matter much what kind of seat you use, from a
concrete block to you TV chair, a small piece of temper foam
(ergonomic) is the answer to being comfortable and
preventing butt aches. This stuff works miracles in the
area of where you sit.
My MK III has the old Ultrastar seats with the Azusu covers
that were shipped out with the Ultrastar kits back in the
very early 80's. Happened to find them in the attic of
Homer Kolb's barn, the Kolb Aircraft Factory, in Feb 1991.
They were comfortable, but after 30 minutes my butt would
begin to literally ache so bad I would have to land and get
out to find comfort.
Can not remember if it was Alexander Airplane Co or whose
catalog I found it in but, I bought a piece of firm temper
foam to place in the bottom of the seat. Have never had
another butt ache from prolonged sitting in the saddle
since. I swear by this stuff. It is expensive, but worth
every cent.
To install, I simply cut to fit the bottom of the seat, then
slipped the old seat cover back on. Works for me. I would
have never been able to do the 1994 flight without it. Bill
Griffin, on this List, flies with me sometimes. After the
first little cross country flight, Bill ordered a couple
pieces of temper foam. One for his airplane and one for the
left seat of my airplane.
I used a small fiber glass "jon" boat seat in my Firestar,
hinged at the front so you could raise it up and have access
to the rear cargo area. Worked great. That was before
temper foam. Wish I had had it back then.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Foley" <mfoley(at)Thermawave.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cutting tubing |
It's time to look at the price of the kit $10,000 + and the price of a few good
tools to do the job, less than a $1000.00.
Like buy a sheet metal shear, a cutoff saw, Clecos, the expandable hole guide for
marking rivet holes, things like this make the job go easier.
Go look at your local GA Mechanics shop, if He uses it you should also, He is just
fixing a plane.
We are building it from scratch.
Mike Foley
Building a mark3 extra in the Sacramento Delta,
Who's out in the Delta area with Kolbs?
>>> jlbaker(at)telepath.com 02/21/01 06:31AM >>>
> I took 400
> grit emery paper and took the edges off, by cupping the emery paper and
> just spinning the tube. Interior edge taken off by depressing the emery
> paper in the center of tube and spinning. Smooth as you could ever want
> it.
Get yourself a deburring tool....abt $4-5 fo a useful one. Makes
really quick work of the tube edges.....like about 3 seconds...
J.Baker
Michael E Foley
THERMA-WAVE
Field Service Engineer
Western Region
Phone: 510-687-3505
Cell Phone:510-520-5579
Pager: 800-771-9214
Fax: 1-510-353-0130
E-Mail: MFoley(at)thermawave.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Double swages |
Somebody years ago, don't remember who, maybe Dennis Pagen, wrote that it
is good to crimp the nico so that the edge of the nico is not compressed at
the point where it meets the wire. When you squeeze a nico, it is possible
to do it in such a way that the very end is not compressed. It sorts of
bells out just a bit. The theory is that this gives a tiny radius curve
inside the edge of the nico, and does not concentrate the cable's stress at
the very edge of the nico. Supposedly this helps alleviate the stress at
the point where the cable exits the nico. Sounds reasonable, can't hurt.
For a large cable, that uses a large nico requiring more than one swedge,
you are supposed to squeeze the center of the nico first, then the portion
next to the thimble, then the portion next to the cable run.
If there is no tag end of cable sticking out of the nico when you swedge
it, then the nico will not develop it's rated strength. It is acceptable to
cut off the tag end after it is swedged. Or else slip a piece of heat
shrink tubing down the cable before you swedge it, and shrink it over the
end of the nico where the tag end sticks out, keeps the tag end from
snagging stuff.
Many times you will see older aircraft where the thimble seems very loose
inside the loop, even though the cable has not slipped in the nico. This is
because the little ends of the thimble that stick out have gotten bent, and
now there is play between the thimble and the nico. It is acceptable
practice to cut off those little ends with a Dremel tool, nippers, or
whatever, and then dress them down with a small round file. (No burrs
allowed!) This allows the nico to fit closer to the main part of the
thimble loop, and now the thimble will not loosen in service.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, Tn.
3TN0
>The "dead end" of the cable extended through the swage better than a
>quarter of an inch. I was surprised when I saw where the .250" cable
>broke. I can only theorize that the swage's squeezing of the cable
>distorted the cable enough to cause a weak spot on the cable or create a
>weak link (so to speak). The only thing that I know for sure is that the
>cable breaking caused me over $3,000 in damage.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Minewiser" <flykolb(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar II For Sale |
A friend of mine is looking for a Mark III or a Mark III Extra with at lest
a 582. does anyone on the list know of any for sale?
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Juneau" <bjuneau(at)megagate.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale
>
> For Sale: Kolb Firestar II, N717RJ, Oil injected Rotax 503, DC, DCDI,
> 61.5 hrs. T/T engine and air frame, custom trailer, many extras. phone
> no. 601/798-1822
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II For Sale |
| From: | MIKE HOUSEWERT <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net> |
on 2/21/01 1:51 PM, Jim Minewiser at flykolb(at)carolina.rr.com wrote:
>
> A friend of mine is looking for a Mark III or a Mark III Extra with at lest
> a 582. does anyone on the list know of any for sale?
>
> Jim
> Mark III
> Charlotte, NC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bonnie Juneau" <bjuneau(at)megagate.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:36 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale
>
>
>>
>> For Sale: Kolb Firestar II, N717RJ, Oil injected Rotax 503, DC, DCDI,
>> 61.5 hrs. T/T engine and air frame, custom trailer, many extras. phone
>> no. 601/798-1822
>>
>>
>
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>
Hi Jim,
I think this is probably old information for you, but thought I would email
it anyway in case you had not read it. Didn't I talk with you on the phone
yesterday?
Kolb Mark III - 2 person
582 Rotax Liquid Cooled w/ electric starter
BRS Chute (New 11/18/00)
89.9 total hours plane and engine
Full Instruments altimeter, airspeed, vertical airspeed, RPMs, CHT x 2,
EGT x 2, water temperature, water pressure, inclinometer, compass
Strobes
Warp 3 Blade Prop
12 V outlet
Electric fuel pump
Dual Throttles
4 point harnesss
2 5 gallons fuel tanks
Hydraulic Disc (heel) brakes
Full enclosure
Stits fabric cover - White with some blue and red
Always Hangered
Purchased end of July 2000, then trucked to The New Kolb Co. who trucked it
to their authorized airplane builder, Lite Speed Aviation in Stranton,
Kentucky. Lite Speed went through the plane top to bottom, nose to tail,
and brought everything into original specifications, including installation
of a new BRS parachute.
Paid $21,075.00, which includes the initial cost plus all the inspections,
minor repairs, new BRS parachute, and test flying by The New Kolb Companys
authorized airplane builder Lite Speed Aviation.
Asking $20,000.00
Mike Housewert
815-332-3136
815-519-3332 (Cellular Phone)
815-296-6003 (Pager)
For photos go to this web sight: http://www.volkswagenhomebrew.com/Kolb.htm
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
Typically Polyfiber covering weighs:
1/2 oz per square foot with no Polyspray;
and 1 oz per sq ft with PolySpray.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray L Baker
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering weight
Dan,
Out of curiosity I weighed the rudder and elevators after covering and
before applying the Stits coatings. I sprayed on 2 coats of Poly-Brush, 3
coats of Poly-Spray and 2 coats of Poly-Tone Insignia White. (All coats
were cross coats). Afterward I weighed them again.
All the coatings resulted in an increase of 5 ounces on the elevators and
8 ounces on rudder. Most of the weight in the materials evaporates.
writes:
> What does the covering fabric weigh per square foot or yard when
> finished,sealed,painted ect?
>
> Crazy Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass dune buggy seats |
> A friend of mine has a buggy & I checked out his seats. Very comfortable
> but seemed quite heavy. How much do yours weigh? Did you order them from
a
> catalog?
I have used the "fat boy" seats sold by Mark Smith who has sold products for
ultralights for years. They are like buggy
seats only wider and lighter. He also supplies the seat covers. Great for
those that don't have that youthful hipsize anymore.
Seats are $40 I think.
Sam Cox
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:mark(at)trikite.com
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass dune buggy seats |
I have seen all sorts of seats used over the years, but the topper was a
captains chair from a Van. I couldn't quite believe my eyes! The pilot was
on the light side, so the extra weight was probably pretty well utilized. I
tried it out ... exceedingly comfortable. About the only improvement that
could have been made would be to make it recline to take a nap while on
autopilot.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Cox
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fiberglass dune buggy seats
> A friend of mine has a buggy & I checked out his seats. Very comfortable
> but seemed quite heavy. How much do yours weigh? Did you order them from
a
> catalog?
I have used the "fat boy" seats sold by Mark Smith who has sold products for
ultralights for years. They are like buggy
seats only wider and lighter. He also supplies the seat covers. Great for
those that don't have that youthful hipsize anymore.
Seats are $40 I think.
Sam Cox
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:mark(at)trikite.com
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| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
Kolb Listers,
After 5 attempts to meet anyone from the Kolb List in 5 areas of the
country, I am wondering where everyone is! We are apparently more scattered
than I thought. I have thought of compiling a database of Kolb people,
organized by state and posted monthly with updates. I am willing to do this
because I think it might benefit all of us if we travel to where another
builder/pilot may be. A printout in the shop may be handy for quick building
advice also. So, if you would like to participate, I am starting with this
basic info: (consider any of it optional or suggest other info)
Name
City/State
Kolb Model/Engine
Hours on Airframe
E-mail address
Email me at dama(at)mindspring.com
Kip Laurie
Atlanta, GA
Firestar II/R503
53 hours
dama(at)mindspring.com
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<< Name
City/State
Kolb Model/Engine
Hours on Airframe
E-mail address
Email me at dama(at)mindspring.com
>>
George Randolph
Akron, Ohio
Firestar KX, Rotax 447
150 hrs on airframe
GeoR38(at)aol.com
Age 62 in 2001
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)epix.net> |
I should probably mention that the weights below(1/2 and 1 oz per sq. ft.)
include the fabric and paint.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Souder
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: covering weight
Typically Polyfiber covering weighs:
1/2 oz per square foot with no Polyspray;
and 1 oz per sq ft with PolySpray.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray L Baker
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering weight
Dan,
Out of curiosity I weighed the rudder and elevators after covering and
before applying the Stits coatings. I sprayed on 2 coats of Poly-Brush, 3
coats of Poly-Spray and 2 coats of Poly-Tone Insignia White. (All coats
were cross coats). Afterward I weighed them again.
All the coatings resulted in an increase of 5 ounces on the elevators and
8 ounces on rudder. Most of the weight in the materials evaporates.
writes:
> What does the covering fabric weigh per square foot or yard when
> finished,sealed,painted ect?
>
> Crazy Dan
>
>
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| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
I have 13 responses in the first 6 hours :) Will publish results on 3/1/01.
Kip Laurie
Firestar II
Atlanta
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| From: | "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> |
Hasn't this already been done ?? John ??
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 6:29 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Database
>
> Kolb Listers,
> After 5 attempts to meet anyone from the Kolb List in 5 areas of the
> country, I am wondering where everyone is! We are apparently more
scattered
> than I thought. I have thought of compiling a database of Kolb people,
> organized by state and posted monthly with updates. I am willing to do
this
> because I think it might benefit all of us if we travel to where another
> builder/pilot may be. A printout in the shop may be handy for quick
building
> advice also. So, if you would like to participate, I am starting with this
> basic info: (consider any of it optional or suggest other info)
>
> Name
> City/State
> Kolb Model/Engine
> Hours on Airframe
> E-mail address
>
> Email me at dama(at)mindspring.com
>
> Kip Laurie
> Atlanta, GA
> Firestar II/R503
> 53 hours
> dama(at)mindspring.com
>
>
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| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
I recall a map with alot of acreage between builders.
Kip
----- Original Message -----
From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Database
>
> Hasn't this already been done ?? John ??
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
>
February 04, 2001 - February 21, 2001
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