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November 10, 2012 - April 12, 2014

Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Please make your Contribution today at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: New RV-8 Quick builder
Date: Nov 10, 2012
I am helping a friend finish a quick build and my part is working on the wings. I'm ready to attach the flaps but can't seem to find any information on the placement of the flap hinge on the bottom of the wind. On my RV-9A and on my RV-10 the inboard aileron attach bracket used a flat head screw to connect the push rod from the bell crank. The RV-8 uses a hex head so I would think you would need some clearance for that as well as a little extra room between the aileron and flap but the plans seem to indicate a much narrower gap. Am I missing something? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's Your Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers, You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 22 years of on-line archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists?
Dear Listers, Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists anyway? I've been working in the Information Technology industry for over 28 years, primarily in computer networking design and implementation and more recently as an embedded software engineer. I have also done a fair amount of work in web design and development. I started the Matronics Email Lists way back in 1990 shortly after I started building my RV-4 with about 30 fellow RV builders from around the world. Since that time, I have added many other types of aircraft related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few. For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter, a local T1 Internet router, and a bonded dual T1 commercial-grade business Internet connection with full static addressing. The computer servers include a dual quad-core Linux server for List web services with 24GB of memory, a quad -core Linux system dedicated to the email processing List functions, and another standalone Linux system serving as a remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based backup system with multi-terra byts of online storage. This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply systems (UPS) that assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. On the average, the elctric bill is in the neighborhood of $7000-$8000/yr and the newly upgraded dual-T1 Internet connection runs roughly $6000/yr. A while back, I upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer Center for the Matronics Email Lists and followed that upgrade up with a second rack upgrade to house the MONSTER web system that didn't quite fit into the first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center prior to the addition of the second rack: http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister. But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've mentioned many times before, I don't use commercial advertisments to support any of these systems. It is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you... and YOU! To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make a Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running! Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely through your Contributions during this time of the year. *Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another great year! Use a credit card or your PayPal account here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by sending a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Some Nice Comments...
Dear Listers, I've been getting some very nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions. I've shared a number of them below. Please read them over and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are lots of sweet gifts available this year, so please browse the nice selection and pickup something fun with your qualifying Contribution! You may use a credit card or your PayPal account here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or feel free to send a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -------------------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -------------------- I have been flying my Pietenpol for a month now and am enjoying the fruits of ten hard years of work. I seriously doubt it would ever have been finished but for the help, encouragement and friendships I've received and made through the Pietenpol list. Douwe B Outstanding service to the flying community. George A Matt, I look forward to support each others projects, Glenn B Great list!!! Thanks for all your efforts! Roger C Thank you for keeping up the lists. Without it i would never have completed my aircraft. Stan S Keep up the good work my friend. I don't think I could ever finish my Pietenpol Air Camper without the help I get from this List. Tom S Thank you for keeping these list alive. Lee V The List is invaluable!! Svein J Thanks for continuing to provide the list service! Earl S You have a really GREAT service. Thankyou so much I've been on for nearly 30 years and I still check-in every morning. John B I rely fully on the lists which govern my every decision. The flexibility provides the security I seek. Fergus K My RV 7 Finally flies... 7 years of Matronics.com certainly helped. Martin H Great service here, thanks! I am just getting back to a project I dropped for a few years, great to see your site and all the folks again! James C Thanks for the great site. Robert U The Rotax list is good and the AeroElectric list outstanding! Jay H Thank you for a great resource! Jack T Thanks for your great record of outstanding service to the homebuilding community! Larry W This service is invaluable. Michael W You're doing a great job Matt. Robert D Thanks for all your work, its a great asset to all. John F Thank you for your time & effort Matt! Ted W Matt, been a follower since 2005 on the -10 list, now starting an -8. Keep up the great work! John M Still my favorite place to hang out. William W I'm not a Piet builder, but this is the most informative and congenial list I've ever run across. Please forgive my lurking-I learn a LOT here! Ken M Many thanks for keeping this alive, keep pushing! Adrian C Thanks! Please keep r going! Rich Z Many thanks for your hard work. Robert C Thanks for the Lists! I probably need to subscribe to a few more... John M Been a quick 14 years. Think I subscribed to the Kolb List in 1998, when I got my first computer. Thanks for keeping everything running smoothly for all these years. John H Great resource - thank you. David M I don't post very much, but get the postings, a lot of really practical info. John N Great job Matt, thanks for all you do. Roger M Thanks for ANOTHER great year, Matt! True grassroots experimental aviation has been pushed aside in many ways. But the List represents the evolution of this great tradition of home-building. One man, the plans, the tools, and the List - that's all you need to build the dream! Robert B This message board is a real help to my project and creating friendships. John S Many thanks for your continuing excellent work. Mike G Thank you for your work Matt. Your lists have helped me a great deal during the construction of my plane. Hal B Nice List Van E These lists are priceless for builders. Ronald C Thanks for keeping me in touch with the Pulsar community. Otto S Thanks for keeping up this great warbird sight!! Yak Ron Thanks for providing all the lists for so many years. H H Thanks for all that you do. Your dedication is much appreciated! Warren H Best service on the internet! Owen B I have learned so much from the "list". Nick C Great Service You Are Providing! Giffen M Thanks so much for maintaining these great resources. Dave S I no longer fly due to age and health problems, but I still enjoy the reading from other pilots. Dallas S This is a wonderful site. Robert B Useful service over the last year - thanks. Om T -------------------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...?
Dear Listers, The number of List subscriptions are up by a fair amount this year, but support during this year's Fund Raiser is substantially behind last year, and there's only about a week left until the end of the Fund Raiser. I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping this operation a float. Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors! The List Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums. The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit card, Paypal, or a personal check: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 23%...
Dear Listers, As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by roughly 23%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, dual T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming in December!
Dear Listers, There's just a couple more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today!
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser. Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors! Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by sending your personal check to: Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support of these List services! Matt Dralle Matronics Email and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind...
Dear Listers, There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last couple of weeks I have received some more really nice comments from members on what the Lists have meant to them. I have included a few more of them below. Please read over the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support and camaraderie you have found here. We are still behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today. If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time to do it! Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a check in the mail: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ==================== A Few List Member Comments ===================== I have been flying my Pietenpol for a month now and am enjoying the fruits of ten hard years of work. I seriously doubt it would ever have been finished but for the help, encouragement and friendships I've received and made through the Pietenpol list. Douwe B Hey-Long time subscriber, zero-time contributor. Just a note of thanks. This is first time I have the resources to contribute. Thanks for carrying a lightweight for years and a special thanks for your time and effort. Billy R My 601 hd is flying with the help with the listers. Noel G A very useful facility. Graeme B ..great site! Robert C Great Pietenpol site! Don Y Not active but always interested in keeping up. Enjoy when I can. Richard R Dave and Tim from Aircrafters just want to reiterate our thanks for hosting the lists. Tim F. I don't have a lot to give at this time of year, but I hope my contribution helps none the less. I really enjoy the message board. Mark C Thanks to your continued work on maintaining these lists. Ralph C The lists and the various contributors have been a great help while I was building and also now that I'm flying. Albert G Very helpful tools for the homebuilder. Vaughn T We appreciate your great help! Richard H Many of our customers have expressed to us that you provide them with an invaluable service - and we agree! Bill B I Fly a Quicksilver GT400 but love to read what the Kolb boys have to say and it was on your list that I found out about the Yamaha product Ring Free,, now called engine med, that shit works.. no carbon in my rings or any to speak of with the use of the Yamaha product with a premix 503 with over 300 hrs of use.. thanks to your Kolb bulletin board. Robert B You are providing a valuable service that helps a lot of people through information sharing. When I built my Pietenpol over 40 years ago we were largely on our own, working without a resource like this list. Graham H Thanks for the opportunity to link us all, keep the good work! Peter B ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again; number 49 actually! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 10, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2012 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, The 2012 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended about a week ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. It is the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running! You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some excellent products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites: Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com And finally, I'm proud to present The 2012 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc/2012.html Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 29, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matt's RV-8 Rebuild...
Dear fellow RV Builders and Flyers, I've been working hard on the RV-8 rebuild over the holidays and thought I'd share. Here the current status as of December 28 2012 on the new RV-8 2.0. This quick video highlights the new instrument panel including the recently finished cockpit audio output for the video camera. Line level output from the airplane's intercom is routed out through the RCA outputs in the rear of the cabin through some matching circuitry in the gold RCA connectors up to the camera's Mic input. The matching seems to be working pretty well. The audio in the video is coming right from the intercom and includes a mix of the intercom voice, the music or DVD output from the Kenwood stereo, and the audio output from the Garmin SL-30 Com unit (aircraft communications radio). Yet to be wired in is the audio outputs from the EFIS's, the VP-200, and the ADS600B. Note also that the video output from the camera is also routed in though the new A/V panel and then out through the headrest LCD display for the passenger. The video is also available on the pilot's Kenwood display. Everything is working pretty nicely. I'm particularly pleased with the new A/V panel I/O. Matt's HD YouTube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrTKAuDEyI&feature=share&list=PLB2F39639392A90DE - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 29, 2012
From: Viorel Nichols <viorel.nichols(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Auto-response
Away on holiday from the 22 December 2012 till 29 January 2013 Wishing you a happy festive season . Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from Viorel ... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2013
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/31/12
From: RST <rthornton62(at)triad.rr.com>
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From: Chris Michael <stinson46(at)rtelco.net>
Date: Jan 01, 2013
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Date: Jan 03, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: All New RV-14 List At Matronics!
Dear RV'rs, I've just setup an all new RV-14 email list and forum on the Matronics servers. Please surf over and register for and email account and access to the Forums. To get email distribution, sign up here: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe and to view the new RV-14 forum directly go here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=79 Enjoy! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 129+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Subject: Matco brake cylinder part number request
Date: Jan 23, 2013
I am ordering brake cylinder rebuild kits and though I can get them simply enough from Vans=2C the price direct from MATCO is much cheaper especially when you add in shipping and handling. I would like to pre order this part from the warmth of home and I am hoping someone will have the complete part number for the Matco brake cylinder as Matco makes several 'M/C RBD4' as i n: RBD4=2C RBD4A=2C RBD4S=2C etc. For those interested=2C the Technical Man ual (pdf) for these cylinders is here. The web page for the rebuild kits is here. Thanks=2CVince H.RV8-SBN8432 100hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2013
Subject: Re: Matco brake cylinder part number request
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
I thought I could help you out, but there are no numbers on mine. And being on a 7, they might be different than yours. Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http:// BowenAero.com On Jan 23, 2013 11:08 AM, "Vincent Himsl" wrote: > I am ordering brake cylinder rebuild kits and though I can get them > simply enough from Vans, the price direct from MATCO is much cheaper > especially when you add in shipping and handling. > > I would like to pre order this part from the warmth of home and I am > hoping someone will have the *complete* part number for the Matco brake > cylinder as Matco makes several 'M/C RBD4' > <http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1345574673-134-522&browse=am&product=brake-kit>as > in: > > RBD4, RBD4A, RBD4S, etc. > > For those interested, the Technical Manual (pdf) for these cylinders is > here <http://static.veracart.com/matco/item_pdfs/2420/document1.pdf>. > > The web page for the rebuild kits is here<http://www.matcomfg.com/catalog.html?Tp=6&adv_search%5B4%5D=46&adv_search%5Bkeywords%5D=rebuild&sbT=Go> > . > > Thanks, > Vince H. > RV8-SB > N8432 100hrs. > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 24, 2013
Subject: Re: Matco brake cylinder part number request
Vince, Let me look into it tomorrow. If you haven't already placed an order I can probably get the info for you. Stan Sutterfield Spruce Creek FBO In a message dated 1/24/2013 3:11:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes: I am ordering brake cylinder rebuild kits and though I can get them simply enough from Vans=2C the price direct from MATCO is much cheaper especially when you add in shipping and handling. I would like to pre order this part from the warmth of home and I am hoping someone will have the complete part number for the Matco brake cylinder as Matco makes several 'M/C RBD4' as i n: RBD4=2C RBD4A=2C RBD4S=2C etc. For those interested=2C the Technical Man ual (pdf) for these cylinders is here. The web page for the rebuild kits is here. Thanks=2CVince H.RV8-SBN8432 100hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Subject: Re: Matco brake cylinder part number request
Date: Jan 25, 2013
Thanks, but I went ahead and ordered it from Van's. When I get the part I will try to narrow the part number down and post should some consider ordering direct from Matco a less expensive option. I guess I could contact Matco and ask, but then what's the fun in that?J Vince N8432 RV8-SB Flying From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:51 PM Subject: RV8-List: Re: Matco brake cylinder part number request Vince, Let me look into it tomorrow. If you haven't already placed an order I can probably get the info for you. Stan Sutterfield Spruce Creek FBO In a message dated 1/24/2013 3:11:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes: I am ordering brake cylinder rebuild kits and though I can get them simply enough from Vans=2C the price direct from MATCO is much cheaper especially when you add in shipping and handling. I would like to pre order this part from the warmth of home and I am hoping someone will have the complete part number for the Matco brake cylinder as Matco makes several 'M/C RBD4' as i n: RBD4=2C RBD4A=2C RBD4S=2C etc. For those interested=2C the Technical Man ual (pdf) for these cylinders is here. The web page for the rebuild kits is here. Thanks=2CVince H.RV8-SBN8432 100hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Matco brake cylinder part number request
It doesn't seem to me that ordering direct would cost less than ordering from Van's. Whenever possible, Van's tries to price items something less than retail. I would assume that ordering direct would be List or Retail pricing. Maybe the two aren't the same thing some how. IMHO. Matt Dralle At 08:53 AM 1/25/2013 Friday, you wrote: >Thanks, but I went ahead and ordered it from Vans. When I get the part I will try to narrow the part number down and post should some consider ordering direct from Matco a less expensive option. > >I guess I could contact Matco and ask, but then whats the fun in that?J > >Vince N8432 >RV8-SB Flying > > >From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:51 PM >To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV8-List: Re: Matco brake cylinder part number request > >Vince, >Let me look into it tomorrow. If you haven't already placed an order I can probably get the info for you. >Stan Sutterfield >Spruce Creek FBO > > >In a message dated 1/24/2013 3:11:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes: >I am ordering brake cylinder rebuild kits and though I can get them simply >enough from Vans=2C the price direct from MATCO is much cheaper especially >when you add in shipping and handling. I would like to pre order this part >from the warmth of home and I am hoping someone will have the complete part >number for the Matco brake cylinder as Matco makes several 'M/C RBD4' as i >n: RBD4=2C RBD4A=2C RBD4S=2C etc. For those interested=2C the Technical Man >ual (pdf) for these cylinders is here. The web page for the rebuild kits is >here. Thanks=2CVince H.RV8-SBN8432 100hrs. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: External Flight Plans - Dynon Skyview/Garmin 696
Dear Listers, Below is a dialog that I'm currently having with Dynon technical support regarding the support for External Flight Plans on the Dynon Skyview. I have a Garmin 696 connected serially to the Dynon and use it for primary GPS positional data. I would like to also have it transfer the current flight plan data as its a LOT easier to look up remote airports, etc. on the Garmin696. But, for some reason, the flight plan data doesn't seem to propagate to the Skyview; I can only assume because the Dynon is ignoring the GPRMB NMEA0182 data fields. In contrast, I have a King Skymap IIIc connected to the GRT HXs in the RV-8 (for testing) and I am able to easily get external flight plan data from the Skymap to the GRT HX over the serial line (see screen shots) Finally, with the new ADSB receiver on the Skyview, I'm no longer getting Traffic data on the Garmin 696. With just the Mode S transponder, I get traffic targets when I'm in traffic areas so the TIS data link (Skyvew->Garmin696) seems to be working. But as soon as I enable the ADSB receiver, I no longer get the traffic on the Garmin 696 even though the ADSB traffic is showing up on the Skyview Map and PDF displays. Below are some composite screen shots I made for Dynon with embedded comments and documentation to describe what I'm seeing. I thought I'd share with the rest of the group in case someone maybe had some feedback or thoughts. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode At 10:36 AM 2/1/2013 Friday, you wrote: >Matt, > >Please do send some screen shots. We will fly a flight plan from the Garmin. Do you see the CDI on the HSI? > >I can make sense out of this with a picture. > >Mike H > >Dynon Avionics Technical Support >support(at)dynonavionics.com >Phone: 425-402-0433 - 07:00-17:00 Pacific weekdays >--- > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> >Reply-To: "Matt Dralle" >Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:01:39 -0800 >To: "Dynon Technical Support" >Cc: "dralle(at)matronics.com" , "michael Woolson" >Subject: Re: (Case 117228) Garmin GPS696 Input to Skyview > >>Hi Mike, >> >>That's not what I'm talking about. What I mean is when I go into the Garmin and enter in a flight plan. For example, KLVK to KEDU to KMRY. These destinations are being transmitted by the Garmin over the NMEA 0183 serial output but the Skyview isn't using them. I have to go into the Skyview and reenter the destinations. >> >>In contrast, on my Garmin to GRT HX installation, if I have a flight plan entered into the Garmin, that information is picked up and used by the GRT HX. If I don't have a flight plan on the Garmin, then the GRT HX uses whatever I enter in on the GRT HX. I can sent you some screen shots if you want. >> >>Matt >> >>At 09:26 AM 2/1/2013 Friday, you wrote: >> Hi Mike, Please see that attached two images. The first describes what I'm seeing on the Dynon/Garmin696 and the second shows what I'm getting on the GRT HX/SkymapIIIc. The third shot is of my Dynon and Garmin 696 configuration. Note that with the Dynon, there's no external flight plan data utiliation. Note on the GRT, there is full external flight plan data utilization. I've included the NMEA0183 data strings that include the flight plan data. Also note, the lack of ADSB traffic on the Garmin 696 when the ADSB is enabled. With the ADSB DISABLED, the Mode S traffic appears. Emacs! Emacs! Emacs! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: External Flight Plans - Dynon Skyview/Garmin 696
Dear Listers, Below is a dialog that I'm currently having with Dynon technical support regarding the support for External Flight Plans on the Dynon Skyview. I have a Garmin 696 connected serially to the Dynon and use it for primary GPS positional data. I would like to also have it transfer the current flight plan data as its a LOT easier to look up remote airports, etc. on the Garmin696. But, for some reason, the flight plan data doesn't seem to propagate to the Skyview; I can only assume because the Dynon is ignoring the GPRMB NMEA0182 data fields. In contrast, I have a King Skymap IIIc connected to the GRT HXs in the RV-8 (for testing) and I am able to easily get external flight plan data from the Skymap to the GRT HX over the serial line (see screen shots) Finally, with the new ADSB receiver on the Skyview, I'm no longer getting Traffic data on the Garmin 696. With just the Mode S transponder, I get traffic targets when I'm in traffic areas so the TIS data link (Skyvew->Garmin696) seems to be working. But as soon as I enable the ADSB receiver, I no longer get the traffic on the Garmin 696 even though the ADSB traffic is showing up on the Skyview Map and PDF displays. Below are some composite screen shots I made for Dynon with embedded comments and documentation to describe what I'm seeing. I thought I'd share with the rest of the group in case someone maybe had some feedback or thoughts. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode At 10:36 AM 2/1/2013 Friday, you wrote: >Matt, > >Please do send some screen shots. We will fly a flight plan from the Garmin. Do you see the CDI on the HSI? > >I can make sense out of this with a picture. > >Mike H > >Dynon Avionics Technical Support >support(at)dynonavionics.com >Phone: 425-402-0433 - 07:00-17:00 Pacific weekdays >--- > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> >Reply-To: "Matt Dralle" >Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:01:39 -0800 >To: "Dynon Technical Support" >Cc: "dralle(at)matronics.com" , "michael Woolson" >Subject: Re: (Case 117228) Garmin GPS696 Input to Skyview > >>Hi Mike, >> >>That's not what I'm talking about. What I mean is when I go into the Garmin and enter in a flight plan. For example, KLVK to KEDU to KMRY. These destinations are being transmitted by the Garmin over the NMEA 0183 serial output but the Skyview isn't using them. I have to go into the Skyview and reenter the destinations. >> >>In contrast, on my Garmin to GRT HX installation, if I have a flight plan entered into the Garmin, that information is picked up and used by the GRT HX. If I don't have a flight plan on the Garmin, then the GRT HX uses whatever I enter in on the GRT HX. I can sent you some screen shots if you want. >> >>Matt >> >>At 09:26 AM 2/1/2013 Friday, you wrote: >> Hi Mike, Please see that attached two images. The first describes what I'm seeing on the Dynon/Garmin696 and the second shows what I'm getting on the GRT HX/SkymapIIIc. The third shot is of my Dynon and Garmin 696 configuration. Note that with the Dynon, there's no external flight plan data utiliation. Note on the GRT, there is full external flight plan data utilization. I've included the NMEA0183 data strings that include the flight plan data. Also note, the lack of ADSB traffic on the Garmin 696 when the ADSB is enabled. With the ADSB DISABLED, the Mode S traffic appears. Emacs! Emacs! Emacs! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: (Case 117320) VP-200 Compatibility with Dynon Skyview 5.1
EMS Data (I sent the message below to Dynon this afternoon. FYI -Matt) Dear Dynon Support, I was forwarded the text immediately below regarding the new Skyview Version 5.1 issue and EMS data stream compatibility with Vertical Power VP-200 I think that Dynon is kind of missing the point here. Dynon has, for all intents and purposes, developed a "standard" for this EMS data format. Whether arbitrary 3rd parties use it and/or communicate that use to Dynon is also beside the point. Dynon has committed to a certain format and as such cannot change it without incurring some serious, potentially negative and/or life threatening ramifications in the field. The designers of TCP/IP didn't just randomly decide to change the order and meaning byte values in the standard. A standard is a standard. When its done and released, *its done*. Version 1.0 cannot be updated. Adding a "version string" to the data stream doesn't work either as the devices listening to version 1.0 don't know the version string is there and are equally as broken. The only option is to version each new format and allow the user to select between the various version. Or, depending on the flexibility of the protocol, ADD new data strings to the format. But the original data strings *cannot* be changed. For example, in NMEA0183, $GPGGAxxx, $GPRMCxxx etc. allow for a progression of new formats to be added. But the format of $GPGGAxxx always has to remain the same. I work at a Government research laboratory in Livermore where I engineer and write embedded firmware for remote security terminals that are used throughout the Department of Energy sites. Part of that responsibility is to design, implement, and utilize serial protocols for communicating between various devices over both RS485 and Ethernet. If I were to make a change to our protocol like Dynon has done in the upgrade between 5.0 and 5.1, I would be fired. Plain and simple. Even IF everyone that is using the protocol happens to be notified of the change, there is still the issue of incrementally upgrading all of the end devices. I guess my point here is that Dynon needs to take their various "proprietary" serial protocols a whole lot more seriously. I believe this is now at least the *third* time that a protocol change has adversely impacted the user community. That is *not* acceptable. I would have probably been fired after the first indiscretion, if not strongly reprimanded. The second and third times would just not have happened. For protocol versioning control, Dynon needs to either add additional named strings to their protocol or they need to simply start versioning each change AND including support for all versions in their products. For example, the user should be able to select between EMS Version 1 or EMS Version 2 or EMS Version 3 from the configuration menu. The format of EMS Version 1 or any previous versions can never change; period. And finally, given Dynon's lackadaisical attitude toward their protocol specifications, I find it almost impossible to believe that a simple downgrade from Version 5.1 to 5.0 is, by default, disallowed? Why aren't the same Draconian version control practices imposed on the customers, applied to their software developers as well? Matt Dralle RV-8/RV-6/RV-4 >Forwarded Email (Originally from Dynon Support) > > We updated the serial stream because we had some important customers that asked for specific elements to be added to the stream. We knew this was a possibility since day one, and even put a version number in the serial stream so an application can tell that the stream has been changed. We would always prefer to not change the format, but at some point you need to balance the needs of a variety of customers, and we had a clear business case to support customers asking for new features in the serial stream. > >One of the issues here is that the VP-200 is not a product we "support." While we have official support for the VP-X, >Vertical Power used our serial stream for the VP-200 on their own accord without any input from us. This is fine and in fact the whole reason that we created a documented serial stream, but this means we didn't even really know they were using it so it's hard for us to realize that we were going to break anything. Compatibility is something that we test every release for products we support, but isn't something that we can promise for arbitrary 3rd party devices that few of our customers use. > >We only moved a few parameters around in the new serial stream, so it's unfortunate that it will take them months to fix this as it's likely just a few constants in their code to make it work again. > >It is possible to revert to 5.0 without much hassle. Contact support via email or phone and we can send you instructions. At 03:48 PM 2/1/2013 Friday, Dynon Technical Support wrote: >Matt: > >Another customer told us today that Vertical Power recommended not updating to v5.1 because of changes Dynon made to the streaming data format. > >We advise talking to Vertical Power first. > >Thanks, > >Steve > >Dynon Avionics Technical Support >support(at)dynonavionics.com >Phone: 425-402-0433 - 07:00-17:00 Pacific weekdays > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> >Reply-To: "Matt Dralle" >Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:26:51 -0800 >To: "support(at)dynonavionics.com" >Cc: "support(at)verticalpower.com" >Subject: VP-200 Compatibility with Dynon Skyview 5.1 EMS Data > >>With the release of Skyview 5.1, it seems there might be an issue with the new EMS data format from the Skyview and compatibility with the Vertical Power VP-200 EMS input. >> >>I haven't upgraded my Skyview from 5.0 to 5.1 but I was planning to on Saturday. Any thoughts? >> >>Here's the thread from the RV10-List Forum (towards the bottom): >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393418#393418 >> >>Thanks for your help, >> >>Matt Dralle >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 06, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful...
Dear Listers, Good news. I was able to roll back to Skyview 5.0.0 using a special roll-back file supplied Mike Schofield at Dynon and carefully followed a procedure he outlined to accomplish the task at hand. I am again getting an EMS data feed from the Skyview to the VP-200. I haven't flown or started the engine yet, but I flipped on the Boost pump and saw fuel pressure so that's a good sign. Hopefully Vertical Power will have an update for the VP-200 soon... I had a long phone conversation with Mike Schofield, Marketing Manager at Dynon about the trials and tribulations of late. He was sympathetic to the plight of those of us utilizing their EMS protocol, but didn't seem like they were planning on really doing anything procedurally any different in the future with respect to not compromising the data integrity of the data format for devices such as the VP-200 in the field. I indicated that as a developer of products that might potentially use those protocols, I would be uncomfortable choosing to use those data feeds because of the lack of commitment to their stability and continuity by Dynon. I guess I got my point across. He went on to say that they hadn't intended for the protocol to be used by autonomous devices like the VP-200, but rather foresaw it simply being used as raw data that would be captured and used for post-analysis like with a spreadsheet. I countered that even in those applications, some consistency of format is expected and consumers of the data might very will write scripts and/or code to interpret the data and would be put off by constant format changes. Anyway, Dynon is a small company and they've got a lot on their plate and a lot of customers asking for a lot of different things. I think they get it, but it sometimes takes events like this to show them exactly why these things are important. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andrew Long - AANet" <along(at)aanet.com.au>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful...
Date: Feb 07, 2013
Hi All, I would also like to add that here in Australia there is a big discussion around IFR avionics, certification and experimental avionics. One of these areas is the software development protocols. It would be of benefit that a standard protocol was adapted that may enhance the ability of these instruments to be looked at more favourably when it comes to the approval processes in different countries. My view looking at the world at the moment is that Oz is not going to be the last to deal with these issues and the better they are managed, the better the outcomes. PS: This is in no way a dispersion on development, just how we can manage the perception of "Experimental" Andrew. www.ozrv10.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 2:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Good news. I was able to roll back to Skyview 5.0.0 using a special roll-back file supplied Mike Schofield at Dynon and carefully followed a procedure he outlined to accomplish the task at hand. I am again getting an EMS data feed from the Skyview to the VP-200. I haven't flown or started the engine yet, but I flipped on the Boost pump and saw fuel pressure so that's a good sign. Hopefully Vertical Power will have an update for the VP-200 soon... I had a long phone conversation with Mike Schofield, Marketing Manager at Dynon about the trials and tribulations of late. He was sympathetic to the plight of those of us utilizing their EMS protocol, but didn't seem like they were planning on really doing anything procedurally any different in the future with respect to not compromising the data integrity of the data format for devices such as the VP-200 in the field. I indicated that as a developer of products that might potentially use those protocols, I would be uncomfortable choosing to use those data feeds because of the lack of commitment to their stability and continuity by Dynon. I guess I got my point across. He went on to say that they hadn't intended for the protocol to be used by autonomous devices like the VP-200, but rather foresaw it simply being used as raw data that would be captured and used for post-analysis like with a spreadsheet. I countered that even in those applications, some consistency of for! mat is expected and consumers of the data might very will write scripts and/or code to interpret the data and would be put off by constant format changes. Anyway, Dynon is a small company and they've got a lot on their plate and a lot of customers asking for a lot of different things. I think they get it, but it sometimes takes events like this to show them exactly why these things are important. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: N880EE Exposed
Date: Feb 16, 2013
RV List I recently posted a First Flight on the Vans site and VAF. I thought I woul d share it with those on this list that didn't already know about 85. Robin http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=744277 http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/first-flights.htm More photos can be seen at: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/RV-8A/ HD Video can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ912gZyQ0U&feature=share&list=UU33RvU l-OACUdX3XIljn26w ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: N880EE Exposed
At 07:59 PM 2/15/2013 Friday, Robin Marks wrote: >RV List >I recently posted a First Flight on the Vans site and VAF. I thought I would share it with those on this list that didnt already know about 85. >Robin > > ><http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=744277>http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=744277 > >http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/first-flights.htm > > >More photos can be seen at: ><http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/RV-8A/>http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/RV-8A/ > >HD Video can be seen at: ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ912gZyQ0U&feature=share&list=UU33RvUl-OACUdX3XIljn26w>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ912gZyQ0U&feature=share&list=UU33RvUl-OACUdX3XIljn26w > VERY nice, Robin! Your workmanship is exquisite thorough out. Love the instrument panel! The paint-job quality looks absolutely fantastic. Who did the paint and airbrush work? Well done! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 21, 2013
From: Kevin Shannon <kevin(at)ceramiccementcorporation.com>
Subject: RV8/ Spokane, WA
-Hello, is anyone building an 8 anywhere near Spokane? I am in need of an outline of the firewall, and also looking for an 8 cowling if anyone has o ne for sale. Please contact me offlist.=0AThanks! Kevin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2013
From: Kevin Shannon <kevin(at)ceramiccementcorporation.com>
Subject: Re: RV8/ Spokane, WA
My cowling dilemma has been solved, thanks to those who replied!=0A=0A=0AKe vin Shannon=0ACeramic Cement Corporation=0Ahttp://www.ceramiccementcorporat ion.com/=0A360-473-8925=0A-=0A=0AFrom: Kevin Shannon <kevin@ceramiccement corporation.com>=0A>To: "rv8-list(at)matronics.com" =0A>Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:55 AM=0A>Subject: RV8-List: RV8/ S pokane, WA=0A>=0A>=0A>-Hello, is anyone building an 8 anywhere near Spoka ne? I am in need of an outline of the firewall, and also looking for an 8 c owling if anyone has one for sale. Please contact me offlist.=0A>Thanks! Ke ================== =0A>=0A> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Need RV-8 empannage inventory sheet
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Mar 10, 2013
Does anyone have an RV-8 empannage inventory sheet they can email me? Old or new are fine. Thank you! -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Need RV-8 empannage inventory sheet
From: Tim Nell <ttnell(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 10, 2013
I have an entire completed rv8 empennage for sale...cheap Tim nell Memphis Sent from my iPhone Tim Nell On Mar 10, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > Does anyone have an RV-8 empannage inventory sheet they can email me? Old or new are fine. > > Thank you! > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: I need your help ...
From: speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Hello, Apologies for having to reach out to you like this, I made a trip early to United Kingdom for a program and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and credit cards in it. The embassy is willing to help by letting me fly w ithout my passport, I just have to pay for a ticket and settle hotel bills. Unfortunately for me, I can't have access to funds without my credit card, I've made contact with my bank but they need more time to come up with a n ew one. I was thinking of asking you to lend me some quick funds that I can give back as soon as I get in. I really need to be on the next available f light. I will be waiting to read from you soonest because you can only reach me vi a email. Stan. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Engstad, Kai" <kengstad(at)orclinic.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Subject: Re: I need your help ...
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Subject: Re: Need RV-8 empannage inventory sheet
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Still need this if anyone has it. I have the hardware list, but still need a full list with all the aluminum parts. Thx -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Mar 10, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > Does anyone have an RV-8 empannage inventory sheet they can email me? Old or new are fine. > > Thank you! > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Subject: Re: Need RV-8 empannage inventory sheet
From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
Mike, You are looking for the Van's inventory printout? If so I have and can send tomorrow AM. Chris Stone RV-8 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > Still need this if anyone has it. I have the hardware list, but still > need a full list with all the aluminum parts. > > Thx > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > On Mar 10, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Michael Kraus > wrote: > > n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> > > > > Does anyone have an RV-8 empannage inventory sheet they can email me? > Old or new are fine. > > > > Thank you! > > > > -Mike Kraus > > RV-4 sold :-( > > RV-10 flying :-) > > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Need RV-8 empennage inventory sheet
At 03:46 PM 3/10/2013 Sunday, you wrote: > >Does anyone have an RV-8 empannage inventory sheet they can email me? Old or new are fine. > >Thank you! > >-Mike Kraus >RV-4 sold :-( >RV-10 flying :-) >KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) Hi Mike, Here you go. Here is a PDF scan of the sheets from my RV-8 kit circa 2008. Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Shelf FWF
At 11:55 AM 3/12/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >Someone on the RV-10 list shared a photo of their GPS shelf mounted FWF that had 4+ GPS antenna mounted. I recall the shelf was painted black and connected the firewall with the motor mount? Can the owner share the photo again with the group? I need something similar for my 8A and cannot locate the post. > >Thanks, >Robin Hi Robin, Here are some pictures of how I did the GPS antenna installations on my RV-8. Works great. Blast tubes keeps them cool. No unsightly pucks on the dash! Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca>
Subject: RV8a baffles
Date: Mar 13, 2013
nearing completion of FWFD, having trouble visualizing the baffle seal plan around the front of the top cowling. I have the Van's cowling and IO-360 angle valve engine. If anyone has good pics showing how to fit the seals to stop the air flow in the upper front center area, I would appreciate seeing them. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV8a baffles
At 06:23 PM 3/13/2013 Wednesday, you wrote: > >nearing completion of FWFD, having trouble visualizing the baffle seal plan around the front of the top cowling. I have the Van's cowling and IO-360 angle valve engine. If anyone has good pics showing how to fit the seals to stop the air flow in the upper front center area, I would appreciate seeing them. Hi Dennis, I've got an IO-390 with a front-mounted prop governor, but the seal layout is about the same. Attached are some pictures of how I did mine. I had no problems with CHT or EGTs. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: FW: Bill's polar flight - not RV related
Date: Mar 14, 2013
A neighbor at Dogwood (VA42) took off this morning to circumnavigate the globe, via the poles. Bill broke the distance record a couple of weeks ago, flying non-stop from Guam to Jacksonville Florida. His modified Lancair 4 holds 360 gallons of fuel, and the inherently efficient design allows him to cruise at 180 knots averaging less than 9gph fuel burn. Use the below link to follow his flight. He is up linking a data point every four minutes. His first refuel is southern Brazil, then the southern tip of Argentina, from there over the South Pole to New Zealand, then Hawaii, Fairbanks, then over the North Pole back to Bangor Maine. Carl Begin forwarded message: From: sh < <mailto:kitplanesue(at)gmail.com> kitplanesue(at)gmail.com> Subject: Bill's polar flight Good morning, In case you're interested in following Bill's attempt to fly around both poles, here's the web link: https://go.spidertracks.com/fleetpro/public/zqpilot There are 4 small icons at the top left, the airplane icon puts a panel at the left that shows what ZQ is doing. Use the plus to zoom in or the minus to zoom out. You use the pile of papers icon to determine the view. Try hybrid view. If you click the X, it will take you to a screen where you select Tracks and then click on the top latest date. Once he's flying this will get you Bill's track as it is reported by Spidertracks. (it also shows him taxiing while on the ground) You must click on the last little teardrop to get his latest position info in a box on the screen. As he gets closer to some interesting landmarks you can zoom in. Let's all keep our fingers crossed for a safe journey, Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca>
Subject: Re: RV8a baffles
Date: Mar 15, 2013
thanks for the pics, helps a lot. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:55 AM Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a baffles At 06:23 PM 3/13/2013 Wednesday, you wrote: > >nearing completion of FWFD, having trouble visualizing the baffle seal plan >around the front of the top cowling. I have the Van's cowling and IO-360 >angle valve engine. If anyone has good pics showing how to fit the seals >to stop the air flow in the upper front center area, I would appreciate >seeing them. Hi Dennis, I've got an IO-390 with a front-mounted prop governor, but the seal layout is about the same. Attached are some pictures of how I did mine. I had no problems with CHT or EGTs. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Gear Tower Covers
Date: Mar 18, 2013
I=99ve cut out each gear tower lower web in my QB fuselage and plan to install 0.063 thick covers, but a bit different from what I have seen. I am curious as to whether anyone else has done this and/or if I=99m missing something which would make this a bad idea. My covers will have cutouts matching the lower half of the middle hole and upper half of the lower hole. Essentially a very exaggerated =9CH=9D. The overall dimensions are 4.13=9Dx7=9D. Each plate will install with 16 #8 machine screws, probably AN525=99s, and AN365 nuts. The primary advantage I see is that this eliminates all the nutplates required with full covers. Also, the holes will be preserved for inspection purposes and in the unlikely event that any maintenance or servicing at all can be done through them. All feedback greatly appreciated. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Need RV-8 empennage inventory sheet
Date: Mar 20, 2013
From: "Rasmussen, Robert CAPT USFF, N7" <robert.rasmussen(at)navy.mil>
This might be helpful to RV-8 builders... -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 22:45 Subject: Re: RV8-List: Need RV-8 empennage inventory sheet At 03:46 PM 3/10/2013 Sunday, you wrote: >--> > >Does anyone have an RV-8 empannage inventory sheet they can email me? Old or new are fine. > >Thank you! > >-Mike Kraus >RV-4 sold :-( >RV-10 flying :-) >KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) Hi Mike, Here you go. Here is a PDF scan of the sheets from my RV-8 kit circa 2008. Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Koehn" <mskoehn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Gear Tower Covers
Date: Mar 20, 2013
Got Pictures or a drawing? That is about my next job on my QB 8. Saw a mod years ago on the board that looked pretty good but I believe it is a two cover version. Yours may be much better. Regards, Mike Koehn DogTick From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stazel(at)cpros.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: RV8-List: Gear Tower Covers I=99ve cut out each gear tower lower web in my QB fuselage and plan to install 0.063 thick covers, but a bit different from what I have seen. I am curious as to whether anyone else has done this and/or if I=99m missing something which would make this a bad idea. My covers will have cutouts matching the lower half of the middle hole and upper half of the lower hole. Essentially a very exaggerated =9CH=9D. The overall dimensions are 4.13=9Dx7=9D. Each plate will install with 16 #8 machine screws, probably AN525=99s, and AN365 nuts. The primary advantage I see is that this eliminates all the nutplates required with full covers. Also, the holes will be preserved for inspection purposes and in the unlikely event that any maintenance or servicing at all can be done through them. All feedback greatly appreciated. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Local Builders
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Are there any RV8 builders within a 100 mile or so radius of Grants Pass, OR? I=99m at a stage where it would be helpful if I could look at other projects and exchange info with other builders in a reasonable proximity. I have a TD Piper Colt, so I can extend my range somewhat. Of course, I=99ll also be looking at flying examples during the upcoming fly-in season. Stan Loer RV8 (not so) QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Engstad, Kai" <kengstad(at)orclinic.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Subject: Re: Local Builders
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Date: Apr 01, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Canopy Mid Retention Block
Hey fellow RV-8 builders, On Dwg 44, right in the middle, it talks about a "1/2" x 1/2" UHMW "Canopy Mid Retention Block" for holding the canopy half open. I guess I'm just not getting "how" this is suppose to work. Does anyone have any pictures of their installation that shows the what, where, how of this thing? On Ruby 1.0 I had this little black knob on the right hand side of the canopy that had a pin that would stick down into a hole in the rail. It worked pretty well in theory, but in practice, it would jump out of the hole and drag along the canopy rail top and scratch the paint off. Needless to say, I wasn't diggin' that. Here's a little picture of it before I moved it to the right side: Emacs! Anyway, I'm wondering if this little 1/2" x 1/2" UHMW block is somehow more magical than this knob arrangement...? - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Canopy Lock Source...
Fellow Builders, On Ruby 1.0 I engineered a custom canopy lock that I really liked. I worked really well and in 172 hours of flying I never had a problem with it. (See attached pictures.) I also really liked having that lock sticking out right there because it made it really easy to open the canopy and pop the back end of the canopy up. For Ruby 2.0 I plan to do the same thing, but I would really like to fine a higher quality lock. The one I used I got from the hardware store and is really kind of a piece of garbage. It seems like a Chinese copy of something that was actually good. Does anyone know where I could get a similar lock, but of exceptionally high quality and maybe made out of stainless? Thanks! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Subject: Re: Canopy Lock Source...
Hi Matt, I haven't specifically looked, but there is a place called Dad's Locksmith in downtown Danville that generally has high end stuff. They did all the locks in my office and the hardware is first class. I could check in there next time I am wandering around town. Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 Finishing San Ramon, CA In a message dated 4/2/2013 11:37:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dralle(at)matronics.com writes: Fellow Builders, On Ruby 1.0 I engineered a custom canopy lock that I really liked. I worked really well and in 172 hours of flying I never had a problem with it. (See attached pictures.) I also really liked having that lock sticking out right there because it made it really easy to open the canopy and pop the back end of the canopy up. For Ruby 2.0 I plan to do the same thing, but I would really like to fine a higher quality lock. The one I used I got from the hardware store and is really kind of a piece of garbage. It seems like a Chinese copy of something that was actually good. Does anyone know where I could get a similar lock, but of exceptionally high quality and maybe made out of stainless? Thanks! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: ADSB antenna
Date: Apr 03, 2013
I now have a few hours flying with the integrated Dynon SkyView ADSB receiver and can report it works as advertised. For those looking for an ADSB antenna, this is what I'm using: http://deltapopaviation.com/Delta_Pop_Aviation/ADS-B_Antenna.html Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADSB antenna
Carl, Do you have any installation pictures? Where did you install it? Did you use a doubler? Ralph Already have the same antenna - just trying to figure out where / how to install. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Froehlich Sent: Apr 3, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: RV10-List: ADSB antenna I now have a few hours flying with the integrated Dynon SkyView ADSB receiver and can report it works as advertised. For those looking for an ADSB antenna, this is what Im using: http://deltapopaviation.com/Delta_Pop_Aviation/ADS-B_Antenna.html Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Canopy Lock Source...
At 05:09 PM 4/2/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/2/2013 11:37:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dralle(at)matronics.com writes: >[] >[] > >Fellow Builders, > >On Ruby 1.0 I engineered a custom canopy lock that I really liked. I worked really well and in 172 hours of flying I never had a problem with it. (See attached pictures.) I also really liked having that lock sticking out right there because it made it really easy to open the canopy and pop the back end of the canopy up. > >For Ruby 2.0 I plan to do the same thing, but I would really like to fine a higher quality lock. The one I used I got from the hardware store and is really kind of a piece of garbage. It seems like a Chinese copy of something that was actually good. > >Does anyone know where I could get a similar lock, but of exceptionally high quality and maybe made out of stainless? > >Thanks! >Matt Dralle Thanks to all that have replied both on and off List. I found these babies today and, at least in the pictures, look pretty manly. I ordered one and it should be here tomorrow. Hopefully it will be better quality than the pot-metal ones from Home Depot. At $33.49/ea, they cost literally about 10-times as much as Home Depot units. So, that HAVE to be 10-times better, right? ;-/ http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=664 After I ordered the ones above, I found an "Olympus" brand of something similar for even more money ($50/ea). These look even more manly, although they have a 1/125" dia barrel which is starting to get a little too big: http://buyaccess.com/olympus-lock-800sc-deadbolt-cabinet-drawer-lock?gdftrk=gdfV22700_a_7c1040_a_7c4922_a_7c800SC I'll post some pictures when I get the Rockler units in the mail. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Landing/Taxi Light Options
Date: Apr 05, 2013
I would like some feedback on this subject as it is one of the loose ends in planning my electrical system. I have settled on AeroLED for the position lights/strobes, but am having difficulty sorting through all the landing/taxi light options. Plan A would be to use LED lights in the tips, but I am not sure what all will or will not fit there. Although I understand that leading edge lights are an easy installation, I would just prefer not to incur the additional work to do the leading edge cutouts. Another question: Given the landing attitude of the 8, are separate landing and taxi lights required? Seems to me that maybe a combination of the right output and targeting angle could work using single light sources in each tip. Stan Loer RV8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 05, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Landing/Taxi Light Options
At 11:58 AM 4/5/2013 Friday, you wrote: >I would like some feedback on this subject as it is one of the loose ends in planning my electrical system. I have settled on AeroLED for the position lights/strobes, but am having difficulty sorting through all the landing/taxi light options. Plan A would be to use LED lights in the tips, but I am not sure what all will or will not fit there. Although I understand that leading edge lights are an easy installation, I would just prefer not to incur the additional work to do the leading edge cutouts. Another question: Given the landing attitude of the 8, are separate landing and taxi lights required? Seems to me that maybe a combination of the right output and targeting angle could work using single light sources in each tip. > >Stan Loer >RV8 QB I installed two Duckworks 50w HID lights, one in each wing tip; one angled for Taxi, one for Landing. Installation was straightforward. Brightness of the HID lights is amazing! On final approach, I light the whole runway up! Like landing during the day! I highly recommend the Duckworks product; one in each wing. I've got no question that I'm going to be able to make a safe landing with the amount and position of light I get from the installation. And that's really what its all about. Here is a detailed installation log on my experience: <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2982&log=81622&row=175>http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2982&log=81622&row=175 There are 9 parts to the log, so be sure to click through all of the various pictures and log entries related. Best, - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Landing/Taxi Light Options
Date: Apr 05, 2013
On the AeroLED choice, I found the wingtip NAV/Strobe units create a lot of RFI, the nav light much more than the strobe. Dean Wilkinson at AeroLED was helpful however, and provided recommendations on how to limit the interference. Bottom line: . Use three conductor, 20 gauge shielded wire, the shield grounded to the airframe at both ends of the run. . At the unit itself, install a aluminum plate on the inside of the wingtip - the plate is held in via the AeroLED mounting screws. . Connect the unit's black ground wire to this plate - and then the electric ground from your three conductor shielded lead to the same point. The objective is to make the black ground wire on the AEROLED electrically connected to the unit case with as short a lead as possible. The case electrically connects to the aluminum backing plate via the mounting screws. Don't just ground at the mounting screw without the aluminum plate - I tried this and it did not work. After doing all this I eliminated the noise to a point where it is no longer a problem in the radios. I do however have my nav antenna in the wingtip. With the nav LED on, I do hear the interference but it is not bad. I mounted the wingtip nav antenna as far aft in the wingtip as possible. I still hear VORs out 90+ miles so I'm good. Considering I don't use VORs for much of anything this really has no practical impact. Below is the photo Dean sent me of what one of his customer did (I recommend a bigger backing plate however). I attached a photo of what I did. BTW - the units themselves work very well. This is still a much better way to go over the old incandescent lights and strobe tubes. Carl RV-8A (700 hrs) RV-10 (70 hrs) http://imageshack.us/a/img713/2052/img2180t.jpg From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stazel(at)cpros.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:59 PM Subject: RV8-List: Landing/Taxi Light Options I would like some feedback on this subject as it is one of the loose ends in planning my electrical system. I have settled on AeroLED for the position lights/strobes, but am having difficulty sorting through all the landing/taxi light options. Plan A would be to use LED lights in the tips, but I am not sure what all will or will not fit there. Although I understand that leading edge lights are an easy installation, I would just prefer not to incur the additional work to do the leading edge cutouts. Another question: Given the landing attitude of the 8, are separate landing and taxi lights required? Seems to me that maybe a combination of the right output and targeting angle could work using single light sources in each tip. Stan Loer RV8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: fuel vent lines
Date: Apr 13, 2013
Seems to me the fuel vent line design leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to installation and maintenance. In researching problems/solutions with these, I came across references to the coiled lines used on the F1 Rocket and (I believe) the RV10. They seem to work fine and I am leaning that direction, but I do not have as much info as I feel I need to be comfortable incorporating this mod. Since I am doing a QB, my plan would be to run a short L-shaped tube between each existing belly vent line hole pair and bulkhead fitting (using what is already there) and coupling up the the coil to that fitting. It would then be easy to remove the short lines inside the gear towers to avoid possible inadvertent damage which could occur when retorquing the landing gear bolts or any other maintenance/servicing inside the towers. The only fab concern I have will be to make sure the new vent line routing will not interfere with the brake lines, but I see that as a minor issue easily dealt with. Guess I=99m looking for a confidence builder here. Any and all feedback gratefully received. Photos if possible. Stan Loer RV-8 (Very slow) QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: fuel vent lines
Date: Apr 13, 2013
My humble suggestion would be to do it as designed. I am not aware of any glaring issues with the standard installation over the many thousands of RV=99s flying with the vent lines installed that way, nor in any of them I=99ve built/own/flown in the past number of decades. As soon as you start changing things for no good reason, you become a test pilot, test engineer, and also could create other unforeseen consequences. There are people who=99ve done it differently and changed fuel systems, but none can point to any conclusive benefit nor reasoning for doing so, other than their desire to do so (or someone=99s idea of what =9Cmight=9D be better). The fact is that the standard Van=99s way of doing things usually ends up being the best. No reason to create a solution to a problem that doesn=99t exist, nor to expend much energy and time researching said solution to the problem that doesn=99t exist when that time could be best spent working on the plane. My opinion for confidence building is to follow the plans and =9Cgit =98er done=9D! J Just my 2 cents as usual. Cheers, Stein From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stazel(at)cpros.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: RV8-List: fuel vent lines Seems to me the fuel vent line design leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to installation and maintenance. In researching problems/solutions with these, I came across references to the coiled lines used on the F1 Rocket and (I believe) the RV10. They seem to work fine and I am leaning that direction, but I do not have as much info as I feel I need to be comfortable incorporating this mod. Since I am doing a QB, my plan would be to run a short L-shaped tube between each existing belly vent line hole pair and bulkhead fitting (using what is already there) and coupling up the the coil to that fitting. It would then be easy to remove the short lines inside the gear towers to avoid possible inadvertent damage which could occur when retorquing the landing gear bolts or any other maintenance/servicing inside the towers. The only fab concern I have will be to make sure the new vent line routing will not interfere with the brake lines, but I see that as a minor issue easily dealt with. Guess I=99m looking for a confidence builder here. Any and all feedback gratefully received. Photos if possible. Stan Loer RV-8 (Very slow) QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fuel vent lines
From: "C. Dan Miller" <cdmiller131(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 13, 2013
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Date: Apr 14, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RV-8 Canopy Half-Open Latch...
I found a pretty ingenious canopy half-open latch system from fellow RV-8 builder Mike Zeller. The pictures pretty much tell the story along with my YouTube video of the system in operation. The system has a free spinning cam and a latch that allows the canopy to be fully opened and closed normally. If you open the canopy just past half way, then pull it forward slowly, the cam will line up and fall into the latch perfectly and then will keep the canopy from sliding back any further! To close the canopy, you just pull on it and close it. To open it all the way, you just pull it forward a few inches, then slide it back all the way. The best part is that there is no chance of scratches on any paint and it seems to hold the canopy *very* securely in the half-open position. A pretty amazing piece of engineering. Van's should just include this system as a part of the stock canopy installation. The latch kit only comes with the black plastic parts and that little machined aluminum fitting. I needed a .125" spacer and wanted to use flush screws, so I fabricated some additional plates to go on either side of the latch. To give the whole thing a bit more strength, I made a backing plate out of .063" and added a couple of platenuts. All of the bits and pieces will get black power coated to match everything else in the cockpit, so you won't even notice its there when all's said and done! Super Cool! Here's a YouTube video I made of the cam and latch system in action: http://youtu.be/f0BSlcYxU4M Pretty cool. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-8 Canopy Half-Open Latch...
Date: Apr 15, 2013
this looks very useful, do you have contact info for Mike? does he sell the kitz/ -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 Canopy Half-Open Latch... I found a pretty ingenious canopy half-open latch system from fellow RV-8 builder Mike Zeller. The pictures pretty much tell the story along with my YouTube video of the system in operation. The system has a free spinning cam and a latch that allows the canopy to be fully opened and closed normally. If you open the canopy just past half way, then pull it forward slowly, the cam will line up and fall into the latch perfectly and then will keep the canopy from sliding back any further! To close the canopy, you just pull on it and close it. To open it all the way, you just pull it forward a few inches, then slide it back all the way. The best part is that there is no chance of scratches on any paint and it seems to hold the canopy *very* securely in the half-open position. A pretty amazing piece of engineering. Van's should just include this system as a part of the stock canopy installation. The latch kit only comes with the black plastic parts and that little machined aluminum fitting. I needed a .125" spacer and wanted to use flush screws, so I fabricated some additional plates to go on either side of the latch. To give the whole thing a bit more strength, I made a backing plate out of .063" and added a couple of platenuts. All of the bits and pieces will get black power coated to match everything else in the cockpit, so you won't even notice its there when all's said and done! Super Cool! Here's a YouTube video I made of the cam and latch system in action: http://youtu.be/f0BSlcYxU4M Pretty cool. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-8 Canopy Half-Open Latch...
You can get the basic kit from Flyboy Accessories: <http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82&products_id=277>http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82&products_id=277 Matt At 07:47 PM 4/15/2013 Monday, you wrote: > >this looks very useful, do you have contact info for Mike? does he sell the kitz/ > >-----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:54 PM >To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 Canopy Half-Open Latch... > > >I found a pretty ingenious canopy half-open latch system from fellow RV-8 builder Mike Zeller. The pictures pretty much tell the story along with my YouTube video of the system in operation. The system has a free spinning cam and a latch that allows the canopy to be fully opened and closed normally. If you open the canopy just past half way, then pull it forward slowly, the cam will line up and fall into the latch perfectly and then will keep the canopy from sliding back any further! To close the canopy, you just pull on it and close it. To open it all the way, you just pull it forward a few inches, then slide it back all the way. The best part is that there is no chance of scratches on any paint and it seems to hold the canopy *very* securely in the half-open position. A pretty amazing piece of engineering. Van's should just include this system as a part of the stock canopy installation. The latch kit only comes with the black plastic parts and that little machined aluminum fitting. I needed a .125" spacer and wanted to use flush screws, so I fabricated some additional plates to go on either side of the latch. To give the whole thing a bit more strength, I made a backing plate out of .063" and added a couple of platenuts. All of the bits and pieces will get black power coated to match everything else in the cockpit, so you won't even notice its there when all's said and done! Super Cool! > >Here's a YouTube video I made of the cam and latch system in action: > > http://youtu.be/f0BSlcYxU4M > >Pretty cool. > > >- >Matt Dralle - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Unleaded aviation fuel - what are our General Aviation champions
doing to make 91/96UL AVGAS available? (was Avgas UL 91 approved by Lycoming for the IO-540-D models)
Date: Apr 24, 2013
Not really RV related, so delete now if you like. While Lycoming is taking a much needed step toward a fuel that we can actually afford, I'm afraid our aviation champions simply reject any option other than a still non-existent 100LL drop in replacement. Below is an email I wrote to both the EAA and AOPA last January. EAA did not respond. AOPA sent a disjointed response about auto fuel availability in Virginia. Perhaps if we all pinged on AOPA and EAA they may hear us over the turbine noise. Carl I note with interest articles such as in General Aviation on aviation fuel predictions: http://www.generalaviationnews.com/2013/01/predictions-aviation-fuel-in-2013 /?utm_source=The+Pulse+Subscribers <http://www.generalaviationnews.com/2013/01/predictions-aviation-fuel-in-201 3/?utm_source=The+Pulse+Subscribers&utm_campaign=6f588e756e-TP2013&utm_mediu m=email> &utm_campaign=6f588e756e-TP2013&utm_medium=email After a couple of decades of study and discussion, my evaluation is we are on a trajectory toward avgas prices that simply end the private pilot aspect of general aviation. We no longer have the luxury of time to cling to the only acceptable option for 100LL as a full replacement drop in. I have reviewed the "70%/30%" argument; 70% of all piston GA aircraft can run on non-ethanol unleaded premium auto fuel based avgas such as 91/96UL, but the remaining 30% of the piston GA aircraft that need 100LL consume 70% of the fuel. This logic has run its course and now needs to be revised in the light of current realities. I also question if we can rely on this argument's base assumptions as they are untested by market demand as no affordable unleaded aviation fuel is readily available, and is a backward look at the legacy engine/aircraft population, not new engines/aircraft that would be tailored for a 91/96UL environment. For the private pilot segment of general aviation, a non-ethanol premium auto fuel type product like 91/96UL is exactly the right solution and the market base for the fuel makes it continued availability, at reasonable prices, assured. While it is not a perfect, the clock is running out on producing a 100LL replacement fuel. If such a full replacement is ever delivered, the price for this novelty fuel is already estimated to be $.50 to $1 per gallon more than today's 100LL. The added cost will accelerate the private pilot death spiral. Although there are a few FBOs offering non-ethanol premium auto fuel the market penetration is dismal. I also note little evidence of organized efforts to promote widespread FBO, engine and aircraft manufacture embracing of existing unleaded aviation fuel options. I recommend a new strategy. I believe we have opportunity to bridge this fuel gap by a managed portfolio of options. Some FBOs may choose to carry both 100LL and the lower octane unleaded fuel, others may carry only one or the other based on their customer demand. What is needed is advocacy to establish the required policies and regulations, and collaboration with fuel suppliers, FBOs, aircraft and engine manufactures, state and federal agencies. This will mitigate the primary obstacle for 91/96UL adoption, legal risk. While continued study of aviation fuel options is needed I believe we are at a tipping point. $6+ per gallon is not sustainable for the majority of private pilots paying for fuel out of their pocket. At the very least an affordable unleaded aviation fuel option would help slow the continued decline in the number of active private pilots. Immediate action is needed to make an affordable 91/96UL type aviation fuel widely available . -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Whisky Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: RV10-List: Abgas UL 91 approved by Lycoming for the IO-540-D models --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Whisky" < rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> See press release from today <http://www.lycoming.com/news-and-events/press-releases/release-4-23-2013.ht ml> http://www.lycoming.com/news-and-events/press-releases/release-4-23-2013.htm l Not sure what the price difference of UL91 is compared to 100LL. Mike -------- RV-10 builder (final assembly) #511 Read this topic online here: <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399293#399293> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399293#399293 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Canopy Cutting Made Easy!
The first step with any Van's canopy installation is cutting the plexiglass bubble out of the molding frame. For me, this went smoothly mostly thanks to an awesome tool called a "Roto-Zip" that is available from a local Lowes hardware store. I have a right-angle cut-off wheel attachment for it. I can't remember if this came with it or if I bought it separately as an accessory. In either case, it is a must have for this Plexi cutting. I got some 3.5" "metal cutting wheels" for it and I have to say it is the cat's meow when it comes to cutting the canopies out. The tool has plenty of power and doesn't bog down, yet it is very controllable and accurate cutting is pretty easy. Don't get me wrong, this is definitely a manly tool and it requires a fair amount of respect. But it has just the right weight and fits nicely in your hand. The right-angle attachment can be unlatched and spun in any direction in relation to the handle and cord, which is really nice. Highly recommend! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Filter-to-Pump Fuel Line
Date: Apr 30, 2013
I am looking for advice on the best way to bend this line. The instructions are not very helpful. At least I have only one line through the gear tower to bend as I am going with a carbureted engine. I have bent a practice line in two sections that meet inside the gear tower just to get the bends at each end right, but I don=99t know how much this will help with the final line. I will leave it in place while I bend the brake line just to occupy the space. Bending and flaring this line looks near impossible to me at this point, but I know that cannot be the case. I am also not sure when the best time is to install the line. I may be premature. My fuselage is still wide open as I want to do as much as possible inside before I install the top skins. I will greatly appreciate all suggestions including any viable alternatives to in-place fabrication. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2013
From: Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Filter-to-Pump Fuel Line
I tried this myself more than once. All my other fuel lines turned out rea lly =0Agood except that one and the one from the Facet pump to the firewall . I finally =0Adecided there was no way I was going to be able to do a res pectable job with =0Athem, so I went ahead and had Tom at TSFlightlines mak e a couple of braided =0Alines for me. Turned out great. Now that they're installed, I've decided to go =0Afuel injection instead. So now I get to redo them again.=0A=0ABill Settle=0ARV-8 Slow Build=0A=0A=0A_______________ _________________=0AFrom: "stazel(at)cpros.com" <stazel(at)cpros.com>=0ATo: rv8-l ist(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, April 30, 2013 1:42:09 PM=0ASubject: RV8-Lis t: Filter-to-Pump Fuel Line=0A=0A=0AI am looking for advice on the best way to bend this line. The instructions =0Aare not very helpful. At least I have only one line through the gear tower to =0Abend as I am going with a carbureted engine. I have bent a practice line in =0Atwo sections that m eet inside the gear tower just to get the bends at each end =0Aright, but I don=99t know how much this will help with the final line. I will =0Aleave it in place while I bend the brake line just to occupy the space. =0ABending and flaring this line looks near impossible to me at this poi nt, but I =0Aknow that cannot be the case. I am also not sure when the be st time is to =0Ainstall the line. I may be premature. My fuselage is st ill wide open as I =0Awant to do as much as possible inside before I insta ll the top skins. I will =0Agreatly appreciate all suggestions including any viable alternatives to =0Ain-place fabrication. =0A=0A =0AStan Loer=0A ============== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 04, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Top Aft Skin Question...
Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa. Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back: TOP SKIN, AFT F-825-1 $126.40 TOP SKIN, AFT -8 F-825PP $124.00 What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well. My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form. Thanks, Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Gear tower
Date: May 06, 2013
New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 builder now building an 8). Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for advice." Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was described in one of the forums. Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear tower
From: Al Grajek <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Date: May 06, 2013
MANY of us have done this. 2nd RV8 with 200hrs on it with no issues. Go for it! Al Grajek Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2013, at 12:02, Miller John wrote: > > New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 builder now building an 8). > > Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for advice." > > Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? > > I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was described in one of the forums. > > Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Gear tower
At 09:02 AM 5/6/2013 Monday, you wrote: > >New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 builder now building an 8). > >Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for advice." > >Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? > >I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was described in one of the forums. > >Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) John, I wouldn't do it. My experience has been that the gear towers in the -8 are a little underwhelming in terms of strength to begin with. The attached pictures show what happened to my RV-8 when I got it sideways during a high speed taxi incident. I had already landed and was making the turn off the runway onto the taxiway. I wish there was some engineered, accepted way of beefing up these gear towers. It would have been a lot less work than having to rebuild a whole new fuselage... - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear tower
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: May 06, 2013
Al, Did you do this on your first one as well? Do I assume that you used the same aluminum as the tower? Any tips on how you did it? I was thinking of a simple total cover plate, not just filling in like the VAF post by Dan Horton showed. John On May 6, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Al Grajek wrote: > > MANY of us have done this. 2nd RV8 with 200hrs on it with no issues. Go for it! > Al Grajek > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2013, at 12:02, Miller John wrote: > >> >> New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 builder now building an 8). >> >> Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for advice." >> >> Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? >> >> I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was described in one of the forums. >> >> Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear tower
From: Al Grajek <jetjocal(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 06, 2013
Yes. Just a .032 or .040 aluminum plate Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2013, at 12:43, Miller John wrote: > > Al, > > Did you do this on your first one as well? > > Do I assume that you used the same aluminum as the tower? > > Any tips on how you did it? I was thinking of a simple total cover plate, not just filling in like the VAF post by Dan Horton showed. > > John > > On May 6, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Al Grajek wrote: > >> >> MANY of us have done this. 2nd RV8 with 200hrs on it with no issues. Go for it! >> Al Grajek >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2013, at 12:02, Miller John wrote: >> >>> >>> New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 builder now building an 8). >>> >>> Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for advice." >>> >>> Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? >>> >>> I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was described in one of the forums. >>> >>> Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear tower
From: Al Grajek <jetjocal(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 06, 2013
I did it the same way on 3 RV 8s. Just a simple cover plate. Send me your email and ill send you a picture. algrajek(at)msn.com Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2013, at 12:43, Miller John wrote: > > Al, > > Did you do this on your first one as well? > > Do I assume that you used the same aluminum as the tower? > > Any tips on how you did it? I was thinking of a simple total cover plate, not just filling in like the VAF post by Dan Horton showed. > > John > > On May 6, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Al Grajek wrote: > >> >> MANY of us have done this. 2nd RV8 with 200hrs on it with no issues. Go for it! >> Al Grajek >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2013, at 12:02, Miller John wrote: >> >>> >>> New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 builder now building an 8). >>> >>> Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for advice." >>> >>> Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? >>> >>> I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was described in one of the forums. >>> >>> Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2013
Subject: Re: Gear tower
From: edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com>
I did it also but used 090 al for the cover with 8/32's 450 hours and close to 900 landings. Ed Clegg On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Al Grajek wrote: > > I did it the same way on 3 RV 8s. Just a simple cover plate. Send me your > email and ill send you a picture. > algrajek(at)msn.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2013, at 12:43, Miller John wrote: > > > > > Al, > > > > Did you do this on your first one as well? > > > > Do I assume that you used the same aluminum as the tower? > > > > Any tips on how you did it? I was thinking of a simple total cover > plate, not just filling in like the VAF post by Dan Horton showed. > > > > John > > > > On May 6, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Al Grajek wrote: > > > >> > >> MANY of us have done this. 2nd RV8 with 200hrs on it with no issues. Go > for it! > >> Al Grajek > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On May 6, 2013, at 12:02, Miller John wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> New to the list and I did not find the answer in the archives (RV10 > builder now building an 8). > >>> > >>> Asked Van's about cutting out the area between the lower and middle > lightening holes to improve access to that area, especially the attach > bolts. KenS sent me the following reply this morning: "We know that some > builders have done this, but we've never found the need. We have no > engineering data one way or another on such a mod so we have no basis for > advice." > >>> > >>> Have any of the 8 builders done this modification and were you able to > do any engineering analysis on resulting tower? > >>> > >>> I plan to cover this area with a plate using plate nuts as was > described in one of the forums. > >>> > >>> Thanks - John Miller (Grumpy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jbombard" <jbombard(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
Date: May 12, 2013
Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but look at the bad things. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so. ******************* Background checks reasonable, I think not. The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences. There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents. Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review the requirements of the bill. Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: EXAMPLE #1 Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME. 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line. He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM. EXAMPLE #2 It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee. Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck. Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON. In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations. EXAMPLE #3 Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer. EXAMPLE #4 Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again. Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property. A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them how you feel about this. Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activities. Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce these restrictions. Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected. Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move
??...
Date: May 12, 2013
And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s? From: jbombard Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but look at the bad things. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so. ******************* Background checks reasonable, I think not. The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences. There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents. Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review the requirements of the bill. Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: EXAMPLE #1 Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME. 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line. He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM. EXAMPLE #2 It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee. Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck. Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON. In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations. EXAMPLE #3 Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer. EXAMPLE #4 Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again. Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property. A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them how you feel about this. Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activities. Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce these restrictions. Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected. Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: James Dearborn <jdearborn(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move
??...
Date: May 12, 2013
Totally agree! On May 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "FLYBOY.BOB" wrote: > And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s? > > From: jbombard > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... > > > Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... > >>>> >>>> >>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but look at the bad things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so. >>>>> ******************* >>>>> >>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not. >>>>> >>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences. >>>>> >>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents. >>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review the requirements of the bill. >>>>> >>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #1 >>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME. >>>>> >>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license >>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) >>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line. >>>>> >>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM. >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #2 >>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee. >>>>> >>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck. >>>>> >>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON. >>>>> >>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations. >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #3 >>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer. >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #4 >>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again. >>>>> >>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. >>>>> >>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property. >>>>> >>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". >>>>> >>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: >>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them how you feel about this. >>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activities. >>>>> >>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. >>>>> >>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce these restrictions. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected. >>>>> >>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move
??...
From: tailgummer(at)aol.com
Date: May 12, 2013
Hey FLYBOY.BOB. Loosen up and switch to Decaf. If you don't like the conten t of a post, hit delete and move on. Ther just MAY be others who are intere sted in what the OP has to say. John D -----Original Message----- From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:33 pm Subject: Re: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back doo r move ??... And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s? From: jbombard Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door mo ve ??... Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but look at the bad things. Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentione d that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many c ongressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below mi ght explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main str eam media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because the y use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so. ******************* Background checks reasonable, I think not. The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senat e gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at f irst but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences. There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public h as a chance to consider its contents. Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crim es. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review the requirements of the bill. Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: EXAMPLE #1 Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be consid ered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAV E BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME. 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line. He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick u p the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WIL L BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREAR M. EXAMPLE #2 It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a tr ansfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearm s dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the tr ansferee. Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for put ting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or pac king them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck. Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is c onsidered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON. In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a fede ral crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and G ame violations. EXAMPLE #3 Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considere d weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federa l laws as a terrorist arms dealer. EXAMPLE #4 Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenario s) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon ag ain. Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring leg alese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison ti me plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property. A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website . See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Te ll them how you feel about this. Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and o pens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for oth erwise routine activities. Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce these restrictions. Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected. Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move
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From: Tom Davies <weride(at)surewest.net>
Date: May 12, 2013
Way to go guys. Ruin a terrific site with political BS. Stay on point this i s a builder site. Sent from my I phone On May 12, 2013, at 6:21 PM, James Dearborn wrote: > Totally agree! > > On May 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "FLYBOY.BOB" wrote: > >> And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s? >> >> From: jbombard >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; >> Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door m ove ??... >> >> >> Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but l ook at the bad things. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, no t reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did n ot like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the probl ems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make i t so. >>>>>> ******************* >>>>>> >>>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not. >>>>>> >>>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate g un control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is m ore restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents. >>>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes . These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review t he requirements of the bill. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #1 >>>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be consider ed a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMM ITTED A FEDERAL CRIME. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license >>>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) >>>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not acro ss a state line. >>>>>> >>>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up t he shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMI TTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LO OSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM. >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #2 >>>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon le aves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of p ossession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee. >>>>>> >>>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, re quires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them i n a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, l ocked in a gunsafe into a moving truck. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is con sidered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal cri me which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YO UR WEAPON. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federa l crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violati ons. >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #3 >>>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered w eapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a t errorist arms dealer. >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #4 >>>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being p rohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legal ese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those ab ove that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property. >>>>>> >>>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. S ee Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". >>>>>> >>>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: >>>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them how you feel about this. >>>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in C olumbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the do or for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activ ities. >>>>>> >>>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned t hat exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce t hese restrictions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected. >>>>>> >>>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move
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From: Al Grajek <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Date: May 13, 2013
But he IS right. This sight should not be for politics etc. there are plenty other types of f orums for that. The Moderator should have deleted it Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 19:16, tailgummer(at)aol.com wrote: > Hey FLYBOY.BOB. Loosen up and switch to Decaf. If you don't like the conte nt of a post, hit delete and move on. Ther just MAY be others who are intere sted in what the OP has to say. > John D > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> > To: rv8-list > Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:33 pm > Subject: Re: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back do or move ??... > > And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s? > > From: jbombard > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door m ove ??... > > > Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... > >>>> >>>> >>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but lo ok at the bad things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the o ne big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not r eported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senator s did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of th e problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports w hat serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasona ble doesnt make it so. >>>>> ******************* >>>>> >>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not. >>>>> >>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate g un control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is m ore restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences. >>>>> >>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents. >>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review t he requirements of the bill. >>>>> >>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #1 >>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considere d a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMI TTED A FEDERAL CRIME. >>>>> >>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license >>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) >>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is n ot yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line. >>>>> >>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, p ick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and she lls then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HA VE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM. >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #2 >>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon lea ves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of po ssession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the t ransfer fee and a background check for the transferee. >>>>> >>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, req uires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, l ocked in a gunsafe into a moving truck. >>>>> >>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is cons idered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crim e which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOU R WEAPON. >>>>> >>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violatio ns. >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #3 >>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered w eapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a t errorist arms dealer. >>>>> >>>>> EXAMPLE #4 >>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) m ay result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being pro hibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again. >>>>> >>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legale se but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. >>>>> >>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those abo ve that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the c onfiscation of your weapons and other property. >>>>> >>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. S ee Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". >>>>> >>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: >>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell t hem how you feel about this. >>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Co lumbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the doo r for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activi ties. >>>>> >>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. >>>>> >>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned th at exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to e nforce these restrictions. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affec ted. >>>>> >>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2013
From: Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move
??... Far too people ever visit a political site. Their attitude is that it doesn't affect me. What good will it do to complain. I'm too busy to worry about how politics affect me. Most saddening is the "Who cares," attitude. I feel strongly that there is a place in every forum for some political topics. They should include links to sites that are pressing for the issues given. Let the members read the post and go to the site linked. Delete the message if it bothers you so much that you can't stand to worry about what is going on in the country and the world that will in some way affect you. On 5/13/2013 6:14 PM, Al Grajek wrote: > But he IS right. > This sight should not be for politics etc. there are plenty other > types of forums for that. > The Moderator should have deleted it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2013, at 19:16, tailgummer(at)aol.com > wrote: > >> HeyFLYBOY.BOB. Loosen up and switch to Decaf. If you don't like the >> content of a post, hit delete and move on. Ther just MAY be others >> who are interested in what the OP has to say. >> John D >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com <mailto:flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>> >> To: rv8-list > >> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:33 pm >> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical >> back door move ??... >> >> *And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?* >> *From:* jbombard >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM >> *To:* Undisclosed-Recipient:; >> *Subject:* RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back >> door move ??... >> *Subject:* Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill >>>>> but look at the bad things. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> *Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned >>>>>> that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there >>>>>> was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many >>>>>> congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below >>>>>> might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main >>>>>> stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. >>>>>> Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt >>>>>> make it so. >>>>>> ******************* >>>>>> * >>>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not. >>>>>> >>>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back >>>>>> Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good >>>>>> idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and >>>>>> will have significant unintended consequences. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public >>>>>> has a chance to consider its contents. >>>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal >>>>>> crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a >>>>>> moment to review the requirements of the bill. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill: >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #1 >>>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be >>>>>> considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, >>>>>> YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license >>>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it) >>>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where >>>>>> season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited >>>>>> and certainly not across a state line. >>>>>> >>>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick >>>>>> up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license >>>>>> and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, >>>>>> YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR >>>>>> WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR >>>>>> OWN A FIREARM. >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #2 >>>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your >>>>>> weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation >>>>>> considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require >>>>>> going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a >>>>>> background check for the transferee. >>>>>> >>>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's >>>>>> possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no >>>>>> exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to >>>>>> your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into >>>>>> a moving truck. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is >>>>>> considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is >>>>>> a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT >>>>>> IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a >>>>>> federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish >>>>>> and Game violations. >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #3 >>>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are >>>>>> considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the >>>>>> same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer. >>>>>> >>>>>> EXAMPLE #4 >>>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine >>>>>> scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL >>>>>> your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever >>>>>> owning a weapon again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring >>>>>> legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like >>>>>> those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in >>>>>> prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property. >>>>>> >>>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate >>>>>> website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers". >>>>>> >>>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649: >>>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. >>>>>> Tell them how you feel about this. >>>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's >>>>>> in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal >>>>>> and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property >>>>>> for otherwise routine activities. >>>>>> >>>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also >>>>>> learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is >>>>>> set aside to enforce these restrictions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected. >>>>>> >>>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>> >>> > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Subject: Does gear leg fairing float?
Date: May 26, 2013
Does the gear leg fairing on an RV8=2C not 8a=2C float inside the intersect ion fairings=2C both upper and lower? Thanks=2C Vince H RV8432 Flying "It's news to me!" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2013
Subject: Re: Does gear leg fairing float?
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Yes. -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On May 27, 2013 1:59 AM, "Vincent Himsl" wrote: > Does the gear leg fairing on an RV8, not 8a, float inside the intersection > fairings, both upper and lower? > > Thanks, > Vince H > RV8432 Flying > "It's news to me!" > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Tail Wheel Upgrade Video...
Dear Listers, I upgraded the tail wheel assembly on The Flyer last weekend and installed a new spring, fork, wheel, control arm, and upgraded to a single spring push rod, replacing the original dual springs and chains. The original tail wheel appeared to have been mis-drilled at a slight angle which caused the tire to wear at an angle which could have also been caused by the single arm/axle arrangement I suppose. In any case, steering The Flyer was somewhat of a suggestion rather than a positive decision so I decided to upgrade the whole thing. Once I got in and started looking at what I had to do, it became obvious that I was going to have to remove the horizontal and vertical stabilizers to be able to have the access I needed to drill the hole for the replacement tail spring. Nothing is easy, it seems. Anyway, the installation came out great, and I can't believe how much BETTER the plane steers with the semi-ridge control rod! Wow! Amazing. I also like the looks of the traditional Van's fork and the tail rides a little bit lower now giving the plane a bit more rake which I like too. Here is a video I made of the installation. I used a mix of time-lapse stills from the hangar security cams along with some high resolution stills from my Nikon D300. The video was really more of an exercise in honing my Adobe Premier Pro video editing skills, but it came out pretty cool! Check it out! Be sure to select a high-resolution such as 720p or 1080p and click the full-screen view to be able to see the detail in the time-lapse photos. http://youtu.be/H-wHdtxNX_U - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-8 Canopy
>At 12:01 PM 5/28/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >I'll second the air conditioner. Gets a little warm at LVK on summer afternoons. I bought an evaporative cooler that helps considerably. Nice video. > >Regards, > >Michael Wynn Hey Michael, How'd your canopy turn out? I'm on my second try now on the rebuild. I think this one might be the one. I drilled the mounting holes #36 then tapped for #6 screws. I like to be able to remove the skirts well into the process and using screws instead of rivets seems to work out a lot better. On Ruby 1.0 I used those Rivnuts which worked well. But, they are very large and its hard to properly fit the plexiglass because they protrude by 1/16" and you can't put them in until after the fitting is done - a Catch 22 of sorts. I'm hoping that tapping the frame will work. The frame metal is fairly thick and really hard so it would seem that tapping might work really well. You don't want to over tighten the screws because of the plexi anyway, so you don't need much to hold the screw. Today I enlarge the holes in the plexi from #40 to about 3/16" then try out my tapping/screw idea. Wish me luck! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2013
Subject: Re: RV-8 Canopy
From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
Matt et al... I see from your log photos that you cut the forward top skin back to flush with the support brackets that attach to the windshield frame. I was considering doing the same since the canopy frame does not really fit under the skin. Further the fibre glass fabricated faring will cover this gap between canopy fairing and forward top skin. Am I missing something here? WRT your tapping the canopy frame for 6-32 screws... are clecos not sufficient to hold things together during fitting? You builders log has been a great reference... Even though this is my second RV-8 with a couple of years in between builds the minds eye flickers and doesn't always present a clear mental picture as to the "best way". Thanks! Chris Stone Newberg, OR > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: RV-8 Canopy
Yes, I did in fact use these very drill bits from Avery to enlarge the holes in the Plexiglass from #40 up to 3/16" for the #6 screw. They work great! Also, I strongly recommend putting a piece of wood behind the Plexiglass with a ClecoClamp before drilling. Didn't have a single problem with any of the holes; and I've got a couple that are a little close to the edge. By the way, the 3/16" hole for a #6 may seem like a lot, but the swimming room greatly reduces the stress on the Plexiglass by any given screw. Consider also that most all of the screw holes are sandwiched between the tube and the fiberglass skirt, so all you really need is the clamping action (and just a little shear action). Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode At 04:18 PM 5/29/2013 Wednesday, Vincent Himsl wrote: >I used special pointed tipped plexiglass drill bits from Avery Tools. Didn't see that mentioned. I suppose you could grind the ends of conventional drill bits to a sharp point. ><http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=11080> >PLAS-DRILL KIT FOR DRILLING > > >Vince Himsl >RV8432 150 hours. SB traditional paint scheme (primer and metal), Idaho back country ready...ehr no wheel pants. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:06 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy > >--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> > > >>At 12:01 PM 5/28/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >>I'll second the air conditioner. Gets a little warm at LVK on summer afternoons. I bought an evaporative cooler that helps considerably. Nice video. >> >>Regards, >> >>Michael Wynn > > >Hey Michael, > >How'd your canopy turn out? I'm on my second try now on the rebuild. I think this one might be the one. I drilled the mounting holes #36 then tapped for #6 screws. I like to be able to remove the skirts well into the process and using screws instead of rivets seems to work out a lot better. On Ruby 1.0 I used those Rivnuts which worked well. But, they are very large and its hard to properly fit the plexiglass because they protrude by 1/16" and you can't put them in until after the fitting is done - a Catch 22 of sorts. I'm hoping that tapping the frame will work. The frame metal is fairly thick and really hard so it would seem that tapping might work really well. You don't want to over tighten the screws because of the plexi anyway, so you don't need much to hold the screw. Today I enlarge the holes in the plexi from #40 to about 3/16" then try out my tapping/screw idea. Wish me luck! > >Matt Dralle ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Re: RV-8 Canopy
I definitely did consider the very elegant solution of bonding the canopy to the frame. It would certainly reduce the stress factor. For me, however, it presents a couple of problems. One, I like to be able to remove the skirts well after the initial flight for adding dampening and antiskuff material in just the right places. I had the skirts off at least three times after my first flight. The other issue with bonding for me is the painting process. I like to powder coat the frame, then match spray the insides of the skirts, then add labeling. For maximum flexibility, having everything simply screwed together really allows for a high-quality assembly and painting process. Attached are a few pictures from Ruby 1.0's canopy installation to give an idea what I'm talking about. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode At 03:49 PM 5/29/2013 Wednesday, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England > >Hi Matt, > >I haven't followed this thread closely, so ignore this if it's been covered. There is always the Sikaflex option. No holes at all, & no risk of plexi cracks. There's a fairly long history now of RV-s flying with Sika'd canopies, with very good results. > >Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: May 30, 2013
Subject: Re: RV-8 Canopy
Hi Matt, Took me two tries. I cracked the first one. I got a Todd's replacement--which lead to some interesting issues. The Van's skirt did not fit to speak of so I had to do a lot of lay-ups to get it right. I sikaflexed both the canopy and the skirt. Didn't get the skirt on exactly right and had to cut off the rear and lay it up again. Whew. What a learning curve on this one. All in all, I would do the sikaflex again. It is on really solidly and no holes. Thing is, it has to be aligned just right. I didn't align the skirt on the plane and missed by about a half inch. I think that tapping the frame ought to work pretty well. The metal is quite substantial. I agree that you will have a lot more control with screws than with rivets. Anyway, good luck with it. Regards, Michael Wynn RV8 LVK 199 In a message dated 5/29/2013 10:09:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dralle(at)matronics.com writes: --> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle >At 12:01 PM 5/28/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >I'll second the air conditioner. Gets a little warm at LVK on summer afternoons. I bought an evaporative cooler that helps considerably. Nice video. > >Regards, > >Michael Wynn Hey Michael, How'd your canopy turn out? I'm on my second try now on the rebuild. I think this one might be the one. I drilled the mounting holes #36 then tapped for #6 screws. I like to be able to remove the skirts well into the process and using screws instead of rivets seems to work out a lot better. On Ruby 1.0 I used those Rivnuts which worked well. But, they are very large and its hard to properly fit the plexiglass because they protrude by 1/16" and you can't put them in until after the fitting is done - a Catch 22 of sorts. I'm hoping that tapping the frame will work. The frame metal is fairly thick and really hard so it would seem that tapping might work really well. You don't want to over tighten the screws because of the plexi anyway, so you don't need much to hold the screw. Today I enlarge the holes in the plexi from #40 to about 3/16" then try out my tapping/screw idea. Wish me luck! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2013
Subject: canopy fitting RV-8
From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
I see from Matt's log photos that you cut the forward top skin back to flush with the support brackets that attach to the windshield frame. I was considering doing the same since the canopy frame does not really fit under the skin. Further the fibre glass fabricated faring will cover this gap between canopy fairing and forward top skin. Am I missing something here? Has anyone else done this? chris stone RV-8 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: canopy fitting RV-8
At 08:11 AM 5/30/2013 Thursday, Christopher Cee Stone wrote: >I see from Matt's log photos that you cut the forward top skin back to flush with the support brackets that attach to the windshield frame. =C2 I was considering doing the same since the canopy frame does not really fit under the skin. =C2 Further the fibre glass fabricated faring will cover this gap between canopy fairing and forward top skin. =C2 Am I missing something here? =C2 Has anyone else done this? > >chris stone >RV-8 Chris, Yeah, no need to leave those flanges. They just interfere with the skirts. The bezel over the top of the windscreen/rollbar cover the union between the front and the back. Here are some pictures of how I made my rear windscreen bezel and they also detail the area you're talking about. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2013
Subject: Re: canopy fitting RV-8
From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
Great photos! That's what I thought with the extra material on the forward skin... Unnecessary. chris On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > At 08:11 AM 5/30/2013 Thursday, Christopher Cee Stone wrote: > >I see from Matt's log photos that you cut the forward top skin back to > flush with the support brackets that attach to the windshield frame. =C3 =82 I > was considering doing the same since the canopy frame does not really fit > under the skin. =C3=82 Further the fibre glass fabricated faring will cov er this > gap between canopy fairing and forward top skin. =C3=82 Am I missing some thing > here? =C3=82 Has anyone else done this? > > > >chris stone > >RV-8 > > > Chris, > > Yeah, no need to leave those flanges. They just interfere with the > skirts. The bezel over the top of the windscreen/rollbar cover the union > between the front and the back. Here are some pictures of how I made my > rear windscreen bezel and they also detail the area you're talking about. > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer > Mode > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: alternate air
At 09:36 AM 5/31/2013 Friday, you wrote: >I think the alternate air is just this, if the ram air box becomes plugged with snow, ice or a bird you will need air from somewhere for the engine to run, I think the cowling air would be the best air and I hope I will never need it. Once it is opened. you will need to remove the cowling to make sure it is closed properly, per plans. Hope this helps. > >Jim If you design the cable installation correctly, there's no need to remove the cowling. It will work like a normal control. Here are a few pictures of my installation. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Flex brake lines
Date: Jun 01, 2013
After many hours and several feet of scrap, I am finished bending fuel lines and moving on to brake lines. Wondering if flex hoses would be a viable option to the hard lines inside the fuselage. I know some of the pros for hard lines, but I can get the hoses made up locally, so it is something to consider. Any builders out there who have gone the flex hose route? Stan Loer RV8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Flex brake lines
At 03:27 PM 6/1/2013 Saturday, you wrote: >After many hours and several feet of scrap, I am finished bending fuel lines and moving on to brake lines. Wondering if flex hoses would be a viable option to the hard lines inside the fuselage. I know some of the pros for hard lines, but I can get the hoses made up locally, so it is something to consider. Any builders out there who have gone the flex hose route? > >Stan Loer >RV8 QB Hi Stan, Here's how I did mine in the RV-8. Worked great. Took me three tries to get a scheme I was happy with. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Flex brake lines
At 04:18 PM 6/1/2013 Saturday, you wrote: >At 03:27 PM 6/1/2013 Saturday, you wrote: >>After many hours and several feet of scrap, I am finished bending fuel lines and moving on to brake lines. Wondering if flex hoses would be a viable option to the hard lines inside the fuselage. I know some of the pros for hard lines, but I can get the hoses made up locally, so it is something to consider. Any builders out there who have gone the flex hose route? >> >>Stan Loer >>RV8 QB > > >Hi Stan, > >Here's how I did mine in the RV-8. Worked great. Took me three tries to get a scheme I was happy with. > >Matt Dralle Whoops, I didn't mean for that picture of the Grove Mini Brake Fluid Reservoir to get into that set of pictures. The GMBF seemed like a good idea, but in reality, it stuck out too far and required that I pull the rudder peddles back one notch to clear the firewall when full rudder was applied. I didn't like losing any leg room so I scrapped the GMBF's and did the braid hoses as shown. After I sent those pictures, I also realized that I had a slightly modified 4th revision. Attached are pictures of that version. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flex brake lines
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jun 01, 2013
I used stainless steel braided lines from Summit Racing. Super easy to fabr icate yourself to your exact dimensions. -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Jun 1, 2013, at 6:27 PM, wrote: > After many hours and several feet of scrap, I am finished bending fuel lin es and moving on to brake lines. Wondering if flex hoses would be a viable o ption to the hard lines inside the fuselage. I know some of the pros for ha rd lines, but I can get the hoses made up locally, so it is something to con sider. Any builders out there who have gone the flex hose route? > > Stan Loer > RV8 QB > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Time to sell the RV-8A
Date: Jun 07, 2013
All, Now that the RV-10 is pretty well tweaked in, and considering my son Steve is at sea on the Nimitz and 10 years from a stable shore job, I decided to sell the RV-8A. I would appreciate you all letting anyone know who may be looking. Here are some details: Airplane: 2002 Van's RV-8A. I am the original owner and builder. 660 total hours. Always in a hangar. Day/night VFR/IFR. Price: $80,000 Engine: Lycoming IO-360 (180hp), 660 hours since new Prop: Hartzell constant speed blended airfoil, 320 hours since new Dual pMag electronic ignitions Dual batteries feeding independent power busses GX-60 GPS comm/nav SL-30 comm/nav SL-70 XPDR Dynon D10A EFIS Garmin 396 PS Engineering audio panel JPI fuel flow computer Grand Rapids Engine Information System Wing leveler autopilot Location: Dogwood Airpark (VA42), Fredericksburg Virginia Thanks, Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Grove gear
Date: Jun 13, 2013
For those who went with the Grove gear, what is the credit Van's gives for not getting their gear legs? Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Grove gear
At 10:16 AM 6/13/2013 Thursday, you wrote: >For those who went with the Grove gear, what is the credit Van's gives for not getting their gear legs? > >Carl Seems like it was about $500. I was kind of surprised at the low-ness of the credit. Especially considering the comparative cost of the Grove replacements. That being said, the Grove Gear are *really* nice. Just don't get the plane sideways or you'll be building a whole new fuselage. Ask me how I know... ;-/ - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Grove gear
Date: Jun 14, 2013
Shoot - that is small compared to the Grove price tag. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:23 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Grove gear At 10:16 AM 6/13/2013 Thursday, you wrote: >For those who went with the Grove gear, what is the credit Van's gives for not getting their gear legs? > >Carl Seems like it was about $500. I was kind of surprised at the low-ness of the credit. Especially considering the comparative cost of the Grove replacements. That being said, the Grove Gear are *really* nice. Just don't get the plane sideways or you'll be building a whole new fuselage. Ask me how I know... ;-/ - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Grove gear
Note that you can also delete the fiberglass fairings and other associated bit and pieces which will add up to a few more dollars. Ease of installation, not having to mess around with yet more fiberglass, and the totally sweet plumbing for the brake lines make the Grove gear a no-brainer, IMHO. Matt At 04:51 AM 6/14/2013 Friday, you wrote: > >Shoot - that is small compared to the Grove price tag. > >Thanks, >Carl > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:23 PM >To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Grove gear > > >At 10:16 AM 6/13/2013 Thursday, you wrote: >>For those who went with the Grove gear, what is the credit Van's gives for >not getting their gear legs? >> >>Carl > > >Seems like it was about $500. I was kind of surprised at the low-ness of >the credit. Especially considering the comparative cost of the Grove >replacements. That being said, the Grove Gear are *really* nice. Just >don't get the plane sideways or you'll be building a whole new fuselage. >Ask me how I know... ;-/ > > >- >Matt Dralle - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Grove gear
Date: Jun 14, 2013
Thanks Matt. With the 8A gone the Navy Pilot son is a little pissed as he had his eye on it. He is somewhere in WestPac on the Nimitz now and at least 7 years or so away from being in a place to own his own plane so I'm looking to build him an RV-8. This will be the third build so I may need him to talk the wife into this deal. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: Grove gear Note that you can also delete the fiberglass fairings and other associated bit and pieces which will add up to a few more dollars. Ease of installation, not having to mess around with yet more fiberglass, and the totally sweet plumbing for the brake lines make the Grove gear a no-brainer, IMHO. Matt At 04:51 AM 6/14/2013 Friday, you wrote: >--> > >Shoot - that is small compared to the Grove price tag. > >Thanks, >Carl > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:23 PM >To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Grove gear > > >At 10:16 AM 6/13/2013 Thursday, you wrote: >>For those who went with the Grove gear, what is the credit Van's gives >>for >not getting their gear legs? >> >>Carl > > >Seems like it was about $500. I was kind of surprised at the low-ness >of the credit. Especially considering the comparative cost of the >Grove replacements. That being said, the Grove Gear are *really* nice. >Just don't get the plane sideways or you'll be building a whole new fuselage. >Ask me how I know... ;-/ > > >- >Matt Dralle - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Parking Brake
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the Matco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons? Stan Loer rv8 very slow QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
I haven't had one, and haven't missed it. On Saturday, June 15, 2013, wrote: > Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the > Matco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it > is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons? > > Stan Loer > rv8 very slow QB > > * > > * > > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 15, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
I agree with Larry. Save the weight and hassle. Add another NACA air vent on the right side of the fuselage instead. You will appreciate and use that *way more*. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode At 11:14 AM 6/15/2013 Saturday, you wrote: >I haven't had one, and haven't missed it. > >Larry Bowen >Larry(at)BowenAero.com ><http://BowenAero.com>http://BowenAero.com > >>On Saturday, June 15, 2013, wrote: >>Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the Matco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons? >> >>Stan Loer >>rv8 very slow QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
From: Vince Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Maybe once in 4 years flying I thought it would be nice. You can add it any t ime so I suggest you defer until it flies (DTIF) if you are still building. VinceH RV 8432 flying On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:41 AM, wrote: > Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the Ma tco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it is w orth the time and effort. Pros and cons? > > Stan Loer > rv8 very slow QB > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Parking Brake
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Recommend it. You may not need to use it much, but when you need it you really need it. No need for a actuator cable. Just mount it on the bulkhead between the panel and firewall at the bottom and in the center. Very easy to plumb and you just need to reach under the panel to actuate the lever. Simple. Carl From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stazel(at)cpros.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: RV8-List: Parking Brake Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the Matco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons? Stan Loer rv8 very slow QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com>
Stan After four years and 410 hours on my RV-7A I can think of maybe two or three instances when it would have been nice to have have a parking brake - I'd say forget it - I carry a set of small / lightweight aluminum chocks - they weren't much work - cost only a few pennies - hardly weigh a thing - and work every time - Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 410 hours since first flight on Aug 4, 2009 On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > Recommend it. You may not need to use it much, but when you need it you > really need it.**** > > ** ** > > No need for a actuator cable. Just mount it on the bulkhead between the > panel and firewall at the bottom and in the center. Very easy to plumb and > you just need to reach under the panel to actuate the lever. Simple.**** > > > Carl**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *stazel(at)cpros.com > *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:42 PM > *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV8-List: Parking Brake**** > > ** ** > > Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the > Matco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it > is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons?**** > > **** > > Stan Loer**** > > rv8 very slow QB**** > > * *http://www.matronics=================**** > > **http://forums.matronics.com** - List Contribution Web generous > nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c=**** > > * * > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2013
From: <geezer02(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
Don't bother. 2 1/2 years and haven't needed one. small angle chocks best. You can always add it if you ever find a need. RV8 N18LD 125 Hrs, Louis ---- stazel(at)cpros.com wrote: > Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the Matco parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons? > > Stan Loer > rv8 very slow QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Parking Brake
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Agree! I don't use it very often on either RV but when I do I am really hap py to have it. Plus it's an ultra-simple addition. Robin From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: Parking Brake Recommend it. You may not need to use it much, but when you need it you re ally need it. No need for a actuator cable. Just mount it on the bulkhead between the pa nel and firewall at the bottom and in the center. Very easy to plumb and y ou just need to reach under the panel to actuate the lever. Simple. Carl From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matr onics.com> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stazel (at)cpros.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: RV8-List: Parking Brake Now that I am seriously looking at what will be required to install the Mat co parking brake unit and route an actuator cable, I am wondering if it is worth the time and effort. Pros and cons? Stan Loer rv8 very slow QB http://www.matronics=============== = http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http:/ /www.matronics.com/c=<http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Tailwheel Bearing - Separating Bronze Bearing...
Dear Listers, Well, I disassembled the tailwheel on the RV-6 and RV-8 this weekend and took the wad of parts including the steel spring, bearing knuckles, forks and little hub caps to the local powdercoaters. But they won't accept the bearing knuckle because it has a bronze or brass sleeve! They claim it will leak oil and make a mess in the oven. They expect me to somehow get that sleeve out of the steel part! That seems crazy? Is that even possible? Surely it won't just come out with a gentle knocking, will it? Help... Thanks! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Koehn" <mskoehn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tailwheel Bearing - Separating Bronze Bearing...
Date: Jul 02, 2013
I was faced with the same situation on the 8 but had second thoughts about removing the bushing. In the end I left it in and had the painters ultrasonically strip the thing in the degreaser tank. That worked reasonably well. In the end there was a very small amount of oil that leached out of the bearing or surround during the bake cycle which stained the powder coat at one small spot on the bottom (depends probably on which way you hang it on the rack) which even with the white coating was almost unnoticeable. Am satisfied with the paint job and it surely was better than beating the housing senseless with a hammer... -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: RV8-List: Tailwheel Bearing - Separating Bronze Bearing... Dear Listers, Well, I disassembled the tailwheel on the RV-6 and RV-8 this weekend and took the wad of parts including the steel spring, bearing knuckles, forks and little hub caps to the local powdercoaters. But they won't accept the bearing knuckle because it has a bronze or brass sleeve! They claim it will leak oil and make a mess in the oven. They expect me to somehow get that sleeve out of the steel part! That seems crazy? Is that even possible? Surely it won't just come out with a gentle knocking, will it? Help... Thanks! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: G3x Autopilot & Accessories
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Considering they are matching Dynon on autopilot pricing, I'm thrilled that Garmin is finally feeling some competition pressure. Considering the grossly overpriced GTN-650 I put in my RV-10 (and horrible Garmin after the sale service), perhaps we will soon have more value based options for the rest of our avionics. I predict Dynon will again lead the way. Carl RV-10 (105 hours) RV-8A (sold - but it went to a good home) From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: G3x Autopilot & Accessories Not sure everyone has seen the new Garmin G3x AP & servos but it looks like they are kicking it into high gear with full G3x accessories. The AP is only $750! Servos are also $750 ea. Garmin is also offering a AOA Pitot & Heated AOA Pitot for $199 & $299 with a regulated AOA Pitot coming. They also have a new back up ADAHRS. Products http://www.garmin.com/us/products/intheair/sport-aviation/prices Here are some videos http://www.garmin.com/us/products/intheair/sport-aviation/media/ https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation/s f/gmc305.jpg https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation/s f/gap26.jpg https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation/s f/gsa28.jpg https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation/s f/gsu25.jpg Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matt's KLVK ATC Streaming...
Dear Listers, A couple of weeks ago I found a web site on the Internet called LiveATC.net that has the Air Traffic Control (ATC) tower communications on line for streaming for a number of airports around the country. Lo 'n behold, they even have a stream for my home base, the Livermore Airport. But, much to my dismay, the quality of their KLVK feed was just plain awful. It was obvious the airband source didn't have a decent antenna or perhaps even a good radio. I suppose that given that their site is a consortium of local citizens providing the feeds, the lack of quality goes with the territory. But, I really liked the idea of being able to monitor the LVK ATC and also the ability to bring up the archives and listen to my personal communications with the tower after a flight. Since I had a computer at the hangar along with a pretty decent Internet connection and, in the spirit of Experimental Homebuilding, I had an idea... I mounted an air-band antenna on the top of the hangar and brought the RG-58 coax down to near the computer and plugged it into my trusty Icom IC-A20 hand held. I was AMAZED at the quality of signal I was getting. It was picking up guys in airplanes 19 miles out like they were sitting next to my hangar! I set the radio to high-speed scan between the Tower and Ground frequencies so with a single feed I could get all communications. So next, I made an audio connection from the handheld to the Line In input on the computer. Sure enough, now I was getting great sound from the hand held on the computer! I found some software from Australia called BroadWave from a company called NCH ( http://www.nch.com.au/streaming ). It lets you connect to the Line In port on the computer and then generate real time audio streams that can be served up via the Internet. And sure enough, it works great! Next, I found some software from Germany called Loop Recorder ( http://looprecorder.de ) that let's you monitor an audio input on your computer and generate archive files. You can select an increment in which to rotate the files automatically, for example, every 30 minutes. I downloaded this software and installed it and sure enough, I was able to start archiving the ATC transmissions coming in, all the while streaming them live as well! The last piece of the puzzle was to enable the Web and FTP servers on the Windows 7 system and come up with a front-end web page that would tie all of these new resources together for easy access from the Internet. I'm happy to report, the whole thing came together very nicely and even allows you stream directly to your Android or iPhone as well as your desktop! Pretty darn cool! And so, without further ado, here is my new web site for monitoring the ATC communications at KLVK: http://klvk.matronics.com/ Just to state the obvious, the stream is silent if there isn't any current ATC or aircraft communications. During the day, you'll usually hear something within five or ten minutes. Sometimes much quicker. I contacted LiveATC.net and they were excited about adding my new stream to their web site as well. So, at some point soon, the LiveATC.net feed for Livermore Airport will be coming from my hangar! My site http://klvk.matronics.com will continue to be available as well. For entertainment purposes only! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 170+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andrew M Morgan" <amorgan53(at)charter.net>
Subject: Matt's KLVK ATC Streaming...
Date: Jul 18, 2013
Wow! You rock, Matt. Tried out the feed on klvk.matronics, and it works great! Andrew -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: RV8-List: Matt's KLVK ATC Streaming... Dear Listers, A couple of weeks ago I found a web site on the Internet called LiveATC.net that has the Air Traffic Control (ATC) tower communications on line for streaming for a number of airports around the country. Lo 'n behold, they even have a stream for my home base, the Livermore Airport. But, much to my dismay, the quality of their KLVK feed was just plain awful. It was obvious the airband source didn't have a decent antenna or perhaps even a good radio. I suppose that given that their site is a consortium of local citizens providing the feeds, the lack of quality goes with the territory. But, I really liked the idea of being able to monitor the LVK ATC and also the ability to bring up the archives and listen to my personal communications with the tower after a flight. Since I had a computer at the hangar along with a pretty decent Internet connection and, in the spirit of Experimental Homebuilding, I had an idea... I mounted an air-band antenna on the top of the hangar and brought the RG-58 coax down to near the computer and plugged it into my trusty Icom IC-A20 hand held. I was AMAZED at the quality of signal I was getting. It was picking up guys in airplanes 19 miles out like they were sitting next to my hangar! I set the radio to high-speed scan between the Tower and Ground frequencies so with a single feed I could get all communications. So next, I made an audio connection from the handheld to the Line In input on the computer. Sure enough, now I was getting great sound from the hand held on the computer! I found some software from Australia called BroadWave from a company called NCH ( http://www.nch.com.au/streaming ). It lets you connect to the Line In port on the computer and then generate real time audio streams that can be served up via the Internet. And sure enough, it works great! Next, I found some software from Germany called Loop Recorder ( http://looprecorder.de ) that let's you monitor an audio input on your computer and generate archive files. You can select an increment in which to rotate the files automatically, for example, every 30 minutes. I downloaded this software and installed it and sure enough, I was able to start archiving the ATC transmissions coming in, all the while streaming them live as well! The last piece of the puzzle was to enable the Web and FTP servers on the Windows 7 system and come up with a front-end web page that would tie all of these new resources together for easy access from the Internet. I'm happy to report, the whole thing came together very nicely and even allows you stream directly to your Android or iPhone as well as your desktop! Pretty darn cool! And so, without further ado, here is my new web site for monitoring the ATC communications at KLVK: http://klvk.matronics.com/ Just to state the obvious, the stream is silent if there isn't any current ATC or aircraft communications. During the day, you'll usually hear something within five or ten minutes. Sometimes much quicker. I contacted LiveATC.net and they were excited about adding my new stream to their web site as well. So, at some point soon, the LiveATC.net feed for Livermore Airport will be coming from my hangar! My site http://klvk.matronics.com will continue to be available as well. For entertainment purposes only! - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 170+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV8 LED Panel Flood Lighting diversions
From: "Morkel" <netcreativemind.net(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2013
Nice Post................... :) :) Led Flood Lights (http://www.theledlight.com) | Residential Led Lighting (http://www.theledlight.com) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406042#406042 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: comm. radio installation
Date: Aug 14, 2013
A personal preference issue: On my instrument panel layout, I have been showing a SL-40 located on the vertical centerline below a Dynon D1000 display, however, a trial fit of a mock-up at this location looks awkward due to having to work around the cross braces. Doable, but. A location on the upper left side looks easier and puts the face more at eye level. I have seen radios at both locations, so I=99m soliciting feedback based on operational experience. I am planning a single radio installation only, but might opt for the Dynon remote radio as a second unit. The center mount allows for better access by either hand, but I can see the advantages of the upper mount. This all has to do with selecting locations for the Skyview components and everything else that has to go behind the panel. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2013
Subject: Re: comm. radio installation
From: GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins(at)gmail.com>
HI Stan- My radios are up the left side of the panel, as I will be using my throttle hand to tune them. Getting the knobs and switches off the centerline of the panel improves crashworthiness, as well. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/14/13
From: speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2013
Stan, I mounted my SL-30 in the location you are suggesting and I strongly recomm end against it. 1. It is too low to easily see the display. 2. It is too easy to bend or break the knobs when climbing in and out. ? As k me how I know. 3. The center location is easier for service, but only for the radio itself . ? I recommend your alternate location on the upper left panel. ?I plan to rem ove my SL-30 and install a transponder there. ?I'm going to put in a 430w i n the upper left panel. Regards, Stan Sutterfield Reno Race 84 RV -8A Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/14/13 ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ From: <stazel(at)cpros.com> Subject: RV8-List: comm. radio installation A personal preference issue: On my instrument panel layout, I have been showing a SL-40 located on the vertical centerline below a Dynon D1000 display, however, a trial fit of a mock-up at this location looks awkward due to having to work around the cross braces. Doable, but. A location on the upper left side looks easier and puts the face more at eye level. I have seen radios at both locations, so feedback based on oper ational experience. I am planning a single radio installation only, but might opt for the Dynon remote radio as a second unit. The center mount allows for better access by either hand, but I can see the advantages of the upper mount. This all has to do with selecting locations for the Skyview components and everything else that has to go behind the panel. Stan Loer RV-8 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: audio panel alternative
Date: Aug 19, 2013
Responses to my comm. radio installation question opened up a new path. As a result (thanks, Robin), I am now looking at a dual Garmin GTR 200 installation on the upper left side of the panel. However, since I will be VFR only with the Dynon Skyview system, I see no reason for an audio panel. Even the simplest ones I have seen have far more capability than I will ever need. What I think I am looking for is a simple way to switch the mic. input and audio output back and forth between radios, possibly through a switch on the stick grip. May be more involved than that. This is outside the envelope of my limited electronics knowledge, so I will take all the help I can get. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Carbon Fiber Rear Cockpit Panel
From: "skydivebob" <skydivebob(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2013
Hi all, Ever want a panel for the rear seat of your RV8... Check this out a carbon fiber panel that fits nicely, out of the way, in the back seat. You can mount a Garmin 496, Ipod, smartphone or like is pictured a aera 560. If you'd like a custom carbon fiber panel for your RV8, they are $125 +$5 shipping. Drop me an email for details. Thanks, Bob[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407142#407142 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv8_rear_cockpit_panel_w_aera_560_v1_red_134.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv8_rear_cockpit_panel_r_865.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111(at)clear.net>
Subject: Parachutes For Sale
Date: Aug 23, 2013
_____ TWO PARACHUTES W/ FRESH RE-PACKS, $950 EACH OR BOTH FOR $1800.00 For Both are Butler Backpacks with 26' TriConical Canopy, Steerable w/ toggles. Pictures available upon request. Never been jumped. Keep at home in closet when not actually being flown in airplane. dav1111 at clear dot net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca>
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/30/13
Date: Aug 31, 2013
My RV8a project is ready for wheels, and I keep thinking about the brake system and lines. Seem to me like some weight could be saved by going with 3/16 brake lines, (smaller line and less fluid). Problem with small lines is the heavy viscosity of A/C hydraulic oil, especially when cold. Solution would be automotive Dot 3 or Dot 4, but are there compatability issues with the Matco master cylinders and Cleveland calipers? Maybe new o-rings could solve the problem? Anyone know the answer? -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:02 AM Subject: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/30/13 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-08-30&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 13-08-30&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/30/13: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca>
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/30/13
Date: Aug 31, 2013
My RV8a project is ready for wheels, and I keep thinking about the brake system and lines. Seem to me like some weight could be saved by going with 3/16 brake lines, (smaller line and less fluid). Problem with small lines is the heavy viscosity of A/C hydraulic oil, especially when cold. Solution would be automotive Dot 3 or Dot 4, but are there compatability issues with the Matco master cylinders and Cleveland calipers? Maybe new o-rings could solve the problem? Anyone know the answer? -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:02 AM Subject: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/30/13 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-08-30&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 13-08-30&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/30/13: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 31, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: 3/16 vs 1/4 Brake Lines...
At 06:22 PM 8/31/2013 Saturday, you wrote: > >My RV8a project is ready for wheels, and I keep thinking about the brake system and lines. Seem to me like some weight could be saved by going with 3/16 brake lines, (smaller line and less fluid). Problem with small lines is the heavy viscosity of A/C hydraulic oil, especially when cold. Solution would be automotive Dot 3 or Dot 4, but are there compatability issues with the Matco master cylinders and Cleveland calipers? Maybe new o-rings could solve the problem? Anyone know the answer? Hi Dennis, Hum, you should actually put the parts and fluid between a 1/4" and a 3/16" system on a scale and weigh them. I think that you're going to find the difference in weight is almost negligible. Oh the other hand, the difference in braking capabilities could be deadly. Personally, I could stand to lose 50 lbs around my belly. That is some realy weight savings that would make my RV fly a lot better. :-) I've done a fair amount of custom stuff on my RV, but when it comes to engineered stuff like the size of the brake lines, and other dimensional stuff, Van's is the man. Van's hates fat airplanes. If he felt that 3/16" brake lines would be adequate, I know for certain that he would have used them. Matt's $.02. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 31, 2013
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 3/16 vs 1/4 Brake Lines...
From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com>
Dennis Re use of 3/16" brake line instead of Vans' 1/4" - I'm not an engineer but the folks who design airplanes at Vans Aircraft are - they use 1/4" brake lines for a reason - my advice would be don't do it - there is a serious safety issue here - braking action would almost certainly be dangerously impacted - want to save a few ounces - Matt offered some great advice - go on a diet - Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 425 hours since first flight on 8/6/09 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > At 06:22 PM 8/31/2013 Saturday, you wrote: > > > >My RV8a project is ready for wheels, and I keep thinking about the brake > system and lines. Seem to me like some weight could be saved by going with > 3/16 brake lines, (smaller line and less fluid). Problem with small lines > is the heavy viscosity of A/C hydraulic oil, especially when cold. > Solution would be automotive Dot 3 or Dot 4, but are there compatability > issues with the Matco master cylinders and Cleveland calipers? Maybe new > o-rings could solve the problem? Anyone know the answer? > > > Hi Dennis, > > Hum, you should actually put the parts and fluid between a 1/4" and a > 3/16" system on a scale and weigh them. I think that you're going to find > the difference in weight is almost negligible. Oh the other hand, the > difference in braking capabilities could be deadly. Personally, I could > stand to lose 50 lbs around my belly. That is some realy weight savings > that would make my RV fly a lot better. :-) > > I've done a fair amount of custom stuff on my RV, but when it comes to > engineered stuff like the size of the brake lines, and other dimensional > stuff, Van's is the man. Van's hates fat airplanes. If he felt that 3/16" > brake lines would be adequate, I know for certain that he would have used > them. > > Matt's $.02. > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer > Mode > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/31/13
From: speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 02, 2013
Dennis, I would stay with the Van's supplied brake lines - at least dimensionally. I believe you are trying to save weight in the wrong place. There are compatibility problems with using automotive fluids. It will des troy the seals which are designed for use with 5606. Stan Sutterfield Reno Race 84 My RV8a project is ready for wheels, and I keep thinking about the brake system and lines. Seem to me like some weight could be saved by going with 3/16 brake lines, (smaller line and less fluid). Problem with small lines is the heavy viscosity of A/C hydraulic oil, especially when cold. Solution would be automotive Dot 3 or Dot 4, but are there compatability issues with the Matco master cylinders and Cleveland calipers? Maybe new o-rings could solve the problem? Anyone know the answer? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: ADAHRS attaching hardware
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Dynon, and I am sure all other manufacturers, specify non-magnetic attach hardware. I am thinking AN3C bolts with MS 21044 locknuts, but not sure if these are truly non-magnetic. Some stainless is not. Brass may be a better choice, but I do not see much brass hardware in my catalogs, especially nuts. Am curious as to what other builders have used for these installations. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: ADAHRS attaching hardware
Date: Sep 17, 2013
#6 stainless steel hardware from the Lowes aviation department. Use a magnet to make sure they are not magnetic. Carl From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stazel(at)cpros.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: RV8-List: ADAHRS attaching hardware Dynon, and I am sure all other manufacturers, specify non-magnetic attach hardware. I am thinking AN3C bolts with MS 21044 locknuts, but not sure if these are truly non-magnetic. Some stainless is not. Brass may be a better choice, but I do not see much brass hardware in my catalogs, especially nuts. Am curious as to what other builders have used for these installations. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ADAHRS attaching hardware
From: Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Loses aviation dept has brass hrdware. Worked for me. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, wrote: > Dynon, and I am sure all other manufacturers, specify non-magnetic attach h ardware. I am thinking AN3C bolts with MS 21044 locknuts, but not sure if t hese are truly non-magnetic. Some stainless is not. Brass may be a better c hoice, but I do not see much brass hardware in my catalogs, especially nuts. Am curious as to what other builders have used for these installations. > > Stan Loer > RV-8 QB > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Subject: ADAHRS attaching hardware
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Finding a =98magnetically=99 suitable location in an RV8 is quite a challenge. I first tried the usual recommendations (Tail, floor, etc.) which appeared OK until you moved the controls. Then Whoaaaaa! Thing to remember is you need to keep compass away from moving magnetic materials (canopy, control column, Roll bars, Screws, pedal linkage, etc.). Using my standard compass as a field test device, I finally settled on mounting my Dynon D-10A behind the panel and mounted to the back of my AVMAP gizmo plastic mount using fabricated aluminum brackets and nylon screws and washers (1/4=9D I think) available most anywhere for isolation. It is several inches from the wiring harness, radio and transponder (and cables). Good luck getting a foot. Apparently I chose wisely as I have not noticed any Heading Indicator (Dynon D-180) jumps or lags. A children=99s toy compass will give you a good indication of location suitability. Place in test spot, then move everything that moves in flight. Turn on/off electronics, etc. Frankly I was amazed at how susceptible to most everything the compass (Magnetic Sensing Units) is. As a result, I am most thankful for GPS. I have the standard compass as well (FAA requirement), but would use my cell phone GPS (AVARE for the android) before I would that. Has a pretty red light though Have picture will postif you are interested. VinceHimsl RV8 100 hrs =9CI really need to finish the wheel pants=9D From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:53 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: ADAHRS attaching hardware Loses aviation dept has brass hrdware. Worked for me. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, wrote: Dynon, and I am sure all other manufacturers, specify non-magnetic attach hardware. I am thinking AN3C bolts with MS 21044 locknuts, but not sure if these are truly non-magnetic. Some stainless is not. Brass may be a better choice, but I do not see much brass hardware in my catalogs, especially nuts. Am curious as to what other builders have used for these installations. Stan Loer RV-8 QB 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Subject: Re: ADAHRS attaching hardware
From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
Stan... Here is a source for brass and/or plastic machine screws and washers. I used all brass hardware to mount the Dynon ans AFS magnetometer /AHRS. I doubled up on nuts to jam them together as there is no self locking brass hardware in a #10. I fabricated an aluminum bar that spans the upper longerons at the third former behind the rear seat. (I don't have plans in front of me for ref callouts). The aluminum bar is a piece of .040 2024 T3 the width of the magnetometer cases with bent flanges along the length for stiffness. Attachment to the airframe is with steel AN3 hardware. Chris Stone RV-8 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > Dynon, and I am sure all other manufacturers, specify non-magnetic > attach hardware. I am thinking AN3C bolts with MS 21044 locknuts, but not > sure if these are truly non-magnetic. Some stainless is not. Brass may be > a better choice, but I do not see much brass hardware in my catalogs, > especially nuts. Am curious as to what other builders have used for these > installations. > > Stan Loer > RV-8 QB > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: ADAHRS mounting hardware
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Thanks to all for the feedback regarding sources for the subject hardware. Guess I should not be so quick to grab the ACS catalog when a trip to Home Depot or Lowes works just as well or better. As for location, I too have chosen the aft fuselage, mounting the ADAHRS (not yet purchased) on top of a tray bridging the upper longerons approx. 6 in. forward of the F809 bulkhead. It will be at least 24 in. from any fixed magnetic source and I=99m keeping the aft fuselage wiring runs as far away as possible. The canopy frame is another issue, but it will only be a potential influence on the ground with the canopy open. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ADAHRS mounting hardware
From: speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Stan, You are right on target. I mounted mine in that very location and it has worked great. Stan Sutterfield Reno Race 84 Thanks to all for the feedback regarding sources for the subject hardware. Guess I should not be so quick to grab the ACS catalog when a trip to Home Depot or Lowes works just as well or better. As for location, I too have chosen the aft fuselage, mounting the ADAHRS (not yet purchased) on top of a tray bridging the upper longerons approx. 6 in. forward of the F809 bulkhead. It will be at least 24 in. from any fixed magnetic source and I=99m keeping the aft fuselage wiring runs as far away as possible. The canopy frame is another issue, but it will only be a potential influence on the ground with the canopy open. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Koehn" <mskoehn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: ADAHRS mounting hardware
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Got Pictures? From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of speedy11(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: RV8-List: Re: ADAHRS mounting hardware Stan, You are right on target. I mounted mine in that very location and it has worked great. Stan Sutterfield Reno Race 84 Thanks to all for the feedback regarding sources for the subject hardware. Guess I should not be so quick to grab the ACS catalog when a trip to Home Depot or Lowes works just as well or better. As for location, I too have chosen the aft fuselage, mounting the ADAHRS (not yet purchased) on top of a tray bridging the upper longerons approx. 6 in. forward of the F809 bulkhead. It will be at least 24 in. from any fixed magnetic source and I=99m keeping the aft fuselage wiring runs as far away as possible. The canopy frame is another issue, but it will only be a potential influence on the ground with the canopy open. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Subject: Re: ADAHRS mounting hardware
From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
[image: Inline image 1] Stan, Here is a photo of my mounting of dual AHRS boxes on a bracket spanning the longerons aft of the rear baggage compartment. Notice that the AHRS units are inclined at the same angle as the panel. You can also see the brass hardware using jam nuts to lock the hardware and a dab of indicating lacquer on each. The bracket is attached to the longerons with SS hardware. Although the SS hardware is slightly magnetic as indicated by testing with a permanent magnet they don't appear to affect the indication or operation of the AHRS units. Chris Stone RV-8 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > Thanks to all for the feedback regarding sources for the subject > hardware. Guess I should not be so quick to grab the ACS catalog when a > trip to Home Depot or Lowes works just as well or better. As for locatio n, > I too have chosen the aft fuselage, mounting the ADAHRS (not yet purchase d) > on top of a tray bridging the upper longerons approx. 6 in. forward of th e > F809 bulkhead. It will be at least 24 in. from any fixed magnetic source > and I=99m keeping the aft fuselage wiring runs as far away as possi ble. The > canopy frame is another issue, but it will only be a potential influence on > the ground with the canopy open. > > Stan Loer > RV-8 QB > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Subject: ADAHRS mounting hardware
I mounted my magnetometer with shoegoo between the HS mounting point under the Emp fairing. While I get lots of criticism for using shoegoo it hasn't budged in nearly 7 years/925 hrs, it took about 5 minutes to do and I didn't have to mess with non ferris hardware, drilling holes or awkwardly backing up the nuts inside of the end of the tailcone. Bill Judge N84WJ > Subject: Re: RV8-List: ADAHRS mounting hardware > From: Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com> > > [image: Inline image 1] > > Stan, > > Here is a photo of my mounting of dual AHRS boxes on a bracket spanning the > longerons aft of the rear baggage compartment. Notice that the AHRS units > are inclined at the same angle as the panel. You can also see the brass > hardware using jam nuts to lock the hardware and a dab of indicating > lacquer on each. The bracket is attached to the longerons with SS > hardware. Although the SS hardware is slightly magnetic as indicated by > testing with a permanent magnet they don't appear to affect the indication > or operation of the AHRS units. > > Chris Stone > RV-8 > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > > > Thanks to all for the feedback regarding sources for the subject > > hardware. Guess I should not be so quick to grab the ACS catalog when a > > trip to Home Depot or Lowes works just as well or better. As for locatio > n, > > I too have chosen the aft fuselage, mounting the ADAHRS (not yet purchase > d) > > on top of a tray bridging the upper longerons approx. 6 in. forward of th > e > > F809 bulkhead. It will be at least 24 in. from any fixed magnetic source > > and I=99m keeping the aft fuselage wiring runs as far away as possi > ble. The > > canopy frame is another issue, but it will only be a potential influence > on > > the ground with the canopy open. > > > > Stan Loer > > RV-8 QB > > > > * > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > * > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Subject: AHRS hardware
From: GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins(at)gmail.com>
Then there is nylon hardware.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2013
From: bob@fairings-etc.com
Subject: Fairings-Etc Reply
I will be unable to access my computer for a few days. My lady, Sonya, who does all my computer things for me, will be gone for a few days starting on the 17th. I will reply to your emails and orders starting on the 21th. If you need to urgently speak with me directly before that date, please call me on my cell phone: 623-203-09795. Bob Snedaker Fairings-Etc ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Dynon Skyview Installation
Date: Oct 18, 2013
Any pictures of Skyview installations available? I=99m in the process of locating components (with mock-ups) and looking at wire routing options. Especially interested in the EMS sensor cables routing through the firewall and into the avionics bay. Would be interested in swapping ideas with anyone who is also at this point in the build. Stan Loer RV-8 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 19, 2013
From: bob@fairings-etc.com
Subject: Fairings-Etc Reply
I will be unable to access my computer for a few days. My lady, Sonya, who does all my computer things for me, will be gone for a few days starting on the 17th. I will reply to your emails and orders starting on the 21th. If you need to urgently speak with me directly before that date, please call me on my cell phone: 623-203-09795. Bob Snedaker Fairings-Etc ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2013
From: bob@fairings-etc.com
Subject: Fairings-Etc Reply
I will be unable to access my computer for a few days. My lady, Sonya, who does all my computer things for me, will be gone for a few days starting on the 17th. I will reply to your emails and orders starting on the 21th. If you need to urgently speak with me directly before that date, please call me on my cell phone: 623-203-09795. Bob Snedaker Fairings-Etc ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 21, 2013
From: bob@fairings-etc.com
Subject: Fairings-Etc Reply
I will be unable to access my computer for a few days. My lady, Sonya, who does all my computer things for me, will be gone for a few days starting on the 17th. I will reply to your emails and orders starting on the 21th. If you need to urgently speak with me directly before that date, please call me on my cell phone: 623-203-09795. Bob Snedaker Fairings-Etc ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: tail wheel springs
Date: Oct 22, 2013
I'm at the point of mounting the tail wheel. I've seen the regular Vans springs, a very nice looking set of stainless steel springs and the new single arm control rod. Please share your thoughts on what you are using and why. If you know where the stainless steel springs can be found, I'd appreciate that as well. Thanks - Grumpy closing up the fuselage ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: tail wheel springs
At 11:05 AM 10/22/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: > >I'm at the point of mounting the tail wheel. I've seen the regular Vans springs, a very nice looking set of stainless steel springs and the new single arm control rod. > >Please share your thoughts on what you are using and why. > >If you know where the stainless steel springs can be found, I'd appreciate that as well. > >Thanks - Grumpy >closing up the fuselage Hi Grumpy, Go with the single arm control rod!!!! I have one on the RV-8 and now on the RV-6! Its like driving a car with the control rod! Much better, positive control! Highly recommend. Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Landing gear towers modification
Date: Oct 30, 2013
I am now to the point where I plan to cut out the solid portion between the bottom and middle lightning holes to provide better access inside the towers. I plan to fab a cover plate to go over this area using plate nuts and ss #8 screws. If you have opened this area up, or if you have done any engineering analysis of this mod (Vans has not done any analysis) please let me hear from you, both good and bad. Thanks - grumpy gengrumpy(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible. You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements. During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution counts! This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 30 different gifts to choose from - more than we've ever had before! There's something for everyone, to be sure. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on the Matronics Lists and they have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates. This year, these generous members include: Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/ Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product line. I would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their generous support of the Lists again this year!! Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers, There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums. The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November Fund Raiser. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution too! You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your generous support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days...
Dear Listers, Starting sometime on Friday November 1st, my Internet Service Provider (ISP) began "upgrading" their Domain Name Servers (DNS). DNS servers allow the resolution of computer names such as "www.matronics.com" to real addresses such as 64.81.74.3. This also impacts email delivery as well, since there is another layer of resolution that applies to email names. Because of this upgrade on the part of my ISP, DNS service started getting unreliable around Friday sometime, but I didn't notice it until sometime on Saturday. When I used a tool called "nslookup" to test the resolution of name-to-address, about 50-75% of the time my ISP's servers would response with an "SERVFAIL" indicating that they didn't know the answer. I opened a ticket with the ISP on Saturday, and by Sunday afternoon I had no feedback on the ticket so I called in to support. "We upgrading the DNS servers, and it should back by Sunday at 5pm." 5pm came and went with no resolution. Well, long story short by Tuesday morning things were still not fixed and in fact much worse. So, I opted to move all my DNS service to a different service provider. I have a lot of DNS entries, so it took a while to get everything moved over. It generally takes about 24 hours for a change like that to fully propagate across the Internet which would be Wednesday morning sometime. I've noticed that the Matronics web server traffic is picking up again, so many sites have already propagated the new information. I really should have just moved the DNS on Saturday when I first noticed the troubles, but with stuff like this, you just keep believing that it gonna be fixed any minute now.... And, in fact, that's what my ISP kept telling me... Its always a giant bummer when stuff like this happens and particularly during the Fund Raiser. I apologize to anyone that has tried to make a Contribution in the last few days and had issues or was simply unable to connect. By the time you read this email, the DNS should be fully propagated, and I ask that you please try again. The Contribution web site URL is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your kind consideration and patience, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94551-0347 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button...
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-) I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Email Disruption Fixed...
Dear Listers, Starting around midnight this morning 11/11/13, the Matronics Barracuda spam filter that receives all incoming email from the Internet, developed a problem and started rejecting all incoming email. I just got off the phone with the Barracuda technical support and we have If you have posted to any of the Lists during this time, you will need to resend your email to the respective List. My apologies for the disruption! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A List Contribution Today; Some Nice Comments...
Dear Listers, I've been getting some very nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions. I've shared a number of them below. Please read them over and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are lots of really nice gifts available this year, so please browse the selections and pickup something fun with your qualifying Contribution! You may use a credit card or your PayPal account here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or feel free to send a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -------------------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -------------------- I wondered off for a few years & am coming back. I firmly believe you provide greater value to us than some magazine subscriptions. William F Thanks for helping me connect to people have truly blazed the trail. Terry M Thank you for the time and effort you put into keeping these lists going. I am on the verge of flying my RV 8 and would not be here without the help of Matronics. Michael W Thank you for providing a valuable service. Vaughn T Matt I like your forums. Jerry D Thank you for another year of service. Oscar Z Been a "member" for years - this has been a fantastic resource and a great gift to the aviation community. Reade G Thanks for the many years of support to RV builders. Roy H Best run list on the net. Roger C Thanks for your excellent forum! Fred D Truly respect your work and service to many readers!! Fergus K Thanks for an ad-free list! William A Thank you for your GREAT service. I read it every day. John B ..great service! Ralph C Thanks so much for being there. Your contribution to aviation knowledge is invaluable. Benjamin B Thank you for providing the list service. It's great! William V I'd never have finished my Glasair without them. Ronald C Thank you Matt for the valuable forum, am pleased to contribute! Jeffrey J Fine service. Byron G Thanks for your support of our community! Kenneth B -------------------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today!
Dear Listers, The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums! Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List and Forums Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today!
From: SKothe <stef601(at)att.net>
Date: Nov 18, 2013
Stefan Kothe Chief Pilot Sierra Land Group, Inc. 4561 West Empire Ave Burbank CA 91505-1111 > On Nov 18, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Dear Listers, > > The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums! > > Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. > > Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > 581 Jeannie Way > Livermore CA 94550 > USA > > I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! > > Matt Dralle > Email List and Forums Administrator > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution Today...
Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the List of Contributors is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...
>From the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't want. Yahoo, Google and that elk are not "free". The user must constantly endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb to that. That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning, maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory. Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine. However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way. Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]...
[Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a very insightful piece and I asked Bob if I could forward it to the rest of the Lists for the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gladly agreed, and so below I have included the text from that message. Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator] "As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial details for the exchange of data on the 'net a few weeks ago. The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really flakey. . . I was 'unhooked' from the List and all of three of my e-mail services for several days. Out of business and out of touch. After two days, I was beginning to worry. I had no idea as to root cause nor was there a time table for resolution . . . I began to mull over plan-B options. Of course, plan-B would have entailed seeking a new home for aeroelectric.com and ancillary services. NOT a quick, inexpensive or happy thing to contemplate. The time talents and resources that go into fabrication and maintenance of some of the 'simplest' features of our lives often go unnoticed . . . not because they're unappreciated . . . but simply because we're unaware of their significance. I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written in 1958 titled "I pencil". See: http://tinyurl.com/me3q3hj It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of unacquainted, self-interested individuals who exploited uncountable windows of opportunity for what has been called "spontaneous order" in the manufacture and sales of the simple wood pencil. The point of citing Mr. Read's essay is to examine two features of the human experience that contribute to the success of this List and our various interests in airplanes. The first point I'd like to make is that we cannot know the millions of individuals who contributed to the materials and infrastructure that make this List possible. We sit at the top of a pyramid of work-product derived from the time, talents and resources of millions of people who we'll never know. Another feature I'd like to emphasis is our ignorance of the criticality for any single component for a host of materials and components for the manufacture and sales of a simple pencil or an affordable airplane. Suppose any one of the materials or processes described in Read's essay were simply unavailable. How would that impact the price of a pencil? Would the pencil even continue to exist at it's new price? The really big question is, "How might some seemingly small loss ripple throughout the economy of our existence?" The time, talent and resources that support infrastructure for this List, my website, Matt's website, and our e-mails cannot be accurately known. That infrastructure stands on an exceedingly complex array of activities that arose from the ingenuity and spontaneous organization of free- market enterprises. But from our perch at the top of this pyramid we need only look down a few layers and see that this resource upon which we depend is vulnerable. There are risks we all assume . . . Matt could get t-boned in an intersection tomorrow. Lightning could strike the pole behind his facility and do catastrophic damage to the hardware. Yours truly could take a deer through the windshield on his way to Wichita some morning. Other risks are less catastrophic. They include things like amateurish behaviors by maintainers of the Internet highway's potholes. Perhaps some material critical to the manufacture of terabyte hard drives dries up. Or maybe the cost of keeping the lights on and the bytes herded become more than Matt can justify given his personal needs for existence. Several times a year I get an opportunity to plant new seeds of thought in the minds of fellow citizens. One of my favorites is to be standing in a long line at Panera's waiting to purchase a bagel and coffee and hear somebody in line complaining about the wait. I suggest to them that to wait in line for a much desired product is a GOOD thing. Not having to wait is a BAD thing if there is not enough business to encourage them to be open tomorrow. It goes without saying that few, if any of us, possess the talents, resources or motivation to step up and do what Matt does. At last count, there were about 1600 individuals who subscribe to this List [Aeroelectric-List]. . . certainly many more make up the population of subscribers to all of the Lists on Matronics. A few years back, Matt was besieged by legal trials and tribulations over the naming of his products . . . seems somebody claimed ownership of the words 'scan' and/or 'scanner' . . . We here on the AeroElectric-List perceived a risk to Matt's operations and came up with several thousands of dollars to contribute to his defense fund. We need make no greater 'investment' in Matt's operations now than it takes to stand in a line for a Quarter-Pounder Combo . . . or a fist full of pencils. You and I can have no more positive influence over the manufacture of pencils and hard drives than to continue to purchase such things and encourage those with the time, talent and resources to continue doing what they do best. Let's contribute to the comfortable maintenance of this service which is probably more valuable than we know. Just a little bit from thousands of us on the Matronics Lists can make a big difference. Bob . . ." Please take a minute to make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon!
Dear Listers, There's just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left...
Dear Listers, There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose from this year. I personally want at least four of them! There's probably something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your Lists! Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists! Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again; the big 50, in fact! But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: IO360B1E
Date: Dec 14, 2013
I have a line on a used one that was on an Arrow. Anyone have any insight on this particular engine and whether or not it works well on the RV8? grumpy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: IO360B1E
From: Alan Searle <alan(at)airweigh.com.au>
Date: Dec 15, 2013
I believe that it will not be suitable due to the aft induction system. Alan. On 15/12/2013, at 7:03 AM, Miller John wrote: > > I have a line on a used one that was on an Arrow. > > Anyone have any insight on this particular engine and whether or not it works well on the RV8? > > grumpy > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ALBERT THOMAS <althomas454(at)msn.com>
Subject: IO360B1E
Date: Dec 14, 2013
>From VAF 2009 on the B1E in an RV-7A. From what's below you may be able to make it work but it would be a lot of "extra" work! I have fitted a converted B1E to my 7A=2C the engine originally came from a Lancair. It now has a forward facing fuel servo=2C the same one that was o riginally fitted at the back. It appears that the sump was modified with a new internal tube for the forward facing servo and a new mounting pad welde d to the sump. I contacted Vans about the installation and they replied that to their know ledge a B1E had never been fitted to an rv before. It has been now!! The only problems I have had are the Vetterman exhaust from Vans did not fi t=2C I ended up modifying it and it now clears the induction tube and nose gear socket on the engine mount. I did contact Larry Vetterman about the ex haust and he did offer to manufacture a new one to fit=2C I chose to modify mine but would next time have Larry manufacture a new one for me. The fibe rglass induction system from Vans also would not work and I have manufactur ed a new one using Scat tubing. I believe on some IO 360 B1E's there was a 45 degree bend that was fitted t o the sump / fuel servo=2C After looking at this option i think it would cl ear the engine mount and would need no modifications to the induction. If you would like some pics let me know and I'll send them through. Cheers Michael Haynes > Subject: Re: RV8-List: IO360B1E > From: alan(at)airweigh.com.au > Date: Sun=2C 15 Dec 2013 08:51:43 +1100 > To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com > > > I believe that it will not be suitable due to the aft induction system. > > Alan. > > On 15/12/2013=2C at 7:03 AM=2C Miller John wrote: > > > > > I have a line on a used one that was on an Arrow. > > > > Anyone have any insight on this particular engine and whether or not it works well on the RV8? > > > > grumpy > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: IO360B1E
From: rikvincent(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 14, 2013
I put one in a RV6. I changed the oil sump to a down draft -----Original Message----- From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:04 am Subject: RV8-List: IO360B1E I have a line on a used one that was on an Arrow. Anyone have any insight on this particular engine and whether or not it wor ks well on the RV8? grumpy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 16, 2013
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2013 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, The 2013 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors. It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running! You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I also want to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon for their generous support through the supply of many great gifts this year!! These guys have some excellent products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites: Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com Corbin Glowacki - My Pilot Store - http://www.mypilotstore.com George Race - Race Consulting - http://www.mrrace.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com And finally, I'm proud to present The 2013 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc/2013.html Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Quick Build Wing "Option"...
From: "N804RV" <nilskew(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 16, 2013
I'm looking at buying a 2nd hand Q/B wing kit from someone who bought a complete quick build RV-8 kit in 2005, and then apparently parted out the fuselage after his situation changed and he could no longer build. I'm hoping someone on here could go over a Van's packing list with me so that I can come up with a user-friendly inventory to go by when I go to inspect the kit. Anyone here purchase the Q/B wing "option" (as opposed to the whole Q/B kit) that can help me out? Would like to work with you offline (via email and maybe a phone call). Send me a PM if interested. Ken W. -------- Ken W. N804RV(reserved) RV-8 Empennage in work Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415777#415777 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Oil Cooler's...
Greetings RV'ers, On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions. I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack. Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit. One is the "Standard" model for $269: http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575: http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate. Thanks for the feedback. Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2014
From: <geezer02(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler's...
for what it is worth, I see nothing wrong with welding it. but you need to correct the real problem that caused it to crack in the first place. It maybe flexing or vibration mounting etc. but something caused it. Louis RV-8 100 Plus hours---- Matt Dralle wrote: > > Greetings RV'ers, > > On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions. > > I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack. > > Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit. > > One is the "Standard" model for $269: > > http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html > > The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575: > > http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html > > Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Matt > > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler's...
I thought the source of the cracking had been addressed. I had some issues with the left-rear baffle flange cracking too in the beginning. I made the rear baffle nice and strong, but used the stock left-rear piece which was .032. It just wasn't up for the task. I later added a cross strut from the crankcase just ahead of the hoist loop all the way back to the left rear corner and added some .063 angle stiffners over the oil cooler flanges for additional support. I'm wondering if I cracked the flange today taking the oil cooler off. It was pretty stuck on and I was having to do a fair amount of prying to get it to separate from the gasket. I would have been more careful if I'd of realized those flanges are made out of such crappy pot metal. Man, they are soft. Since I'm rebuilding, I decided to rebuild the left-rear baffle part and was taking the oil cooler off today to accommodate that. That's when I noticed the crack. Attached are some pictures of the setup prior to disassembly today. Matt At 06:10 PM 2/19/2014 Wednesday, Kelly McMullen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >I certainly recommend talking to Pacific Oil Cooler before you make any decisions. They can give you pricing to repair, and probably have a source for exact replacement as well. > >On 2/19/2014 6:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >>If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut feeling is that it'll crack too. If it was mine I would have it welded .... you can't braze aluminum .... and figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the first place. My first choice is engine vibration, and the second is stress due to the baffle mounting flange not being flat. >>Linn >> >>On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: >>>Greetings RV'ers, >>> >>>On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions. >>> >>>I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack. >>> >>>Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit. >>> >>>One is the "Standard" model for $269: >>> >>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html >>> >>>The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575: >>> >>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html >>> >>>Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate. >>> >>>Thanks for the feedback. >>> >>>Matt > - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler's...
From: vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 19, 2014
Matt- I see the probability of much motion in that area what with the sheet metal carrying the load and a long vectored brace like you have swinging it. I can show you a better way to mount it if you contact me directly or you can take some other advice that I'm sure you will get from the listers. -GV -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:53 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler's... I thought the source of the cracking had been addressed. I had some issues with the left-rear baffle flange cracking too in the beginning. I made the rear baffle nice and strong, but used the stock left-rear piece which was .032. It just wasn't up for the task. I later added a cross strut from the crankcas e just ahead of the hoist loop all the way back to the left rear corner and a dded some .063 angle stiffners over the oil cooler flanges for additional suppor t. I'm wondering if I cracked the flange today taking the oil cooler off. It was pretty stuck on and I was having to do a fair amount of prying to get it to separate from the gasket. I would have been more careful if I'd of realize d those flanges are made out of such crappy pot metal. Man, they are soft. Since I'm rebuilding, I decided to rebuild the left-rear baffle part and wa s taking the oil cooler off today to accommodate that. That's when I noticed the crack. Attached are some pictures of the setup prior to disassembly today. Matt At 06:10 PM 2/19/2014 Wednesday, Kelly McMullen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >I certainly recommend talking to Pacific Oil Cooler before you make any decisions. They can give you pricing to repair, and probably have a source for exact replacement as well. > >On 2/19/2014 6:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >>If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut feeling is that it'll crack too. If it was mine I would have it welded .... you can't braze aluminum . ... and figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the first place. My first choi ce is engine vibration, and the second is stress due to the baffle mounting flang e not being flat. >>Linn >> >>On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: >>>Greetings RV'ers, >>> >>>On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO -390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions. >>> >>>I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever t hey do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack. >>> >>>Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatibl e unit. >>> >>>One is the "Standard" model for $269: >>> >>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-co olers/standard/aec-8000081.html >>> >>>The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575: >>> >>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-co olers/he-series/aec-8001646.html >>> >>>Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE mo dels look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate. >>> >>>Thanks for the feedback. >>> >>>Matt > - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mo de Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil Cooler's...
Date: Feb 20, 2014
Matt, A few thoughts: - Mounting the cooler on the firewall solves the "heavy vibrating object mounted with a large moment arm" problem. Attached photo is how I did it on the RV-10 (not shown is the forward cooler support attached to the engine mount). On the RV-8A I mounted the cooler on the right side of the firewall with the 3" hose connecting on the right side of the plenum. I believe most 8s are on the right side as there is more room. - Mounting the cooler on the firewall allows for an easy "oil cooler air butterfly valve" install in the 3" hose between the cooler and firewall. Here is one place to get this butter fly valve: http://www.nonstopaviation.com/controller-cooler-p-14592.html?osCsid=bc77b7d 1ef861c7cd83d92c5a28010dc - Consider using the AirFlow oil cooler if you end up buying a replacement. I have this on my RV-10 and have never had a oil temp issue. Here is one place to get this cooler: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:50 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler's... I thought the source of the cracking had been addressed. I had some issues with the left-rear baffle flange cracking too in the beginning. I made the rear baffle nice and strong, but used the stock left-rear piece which was .032. It just wasn't up for the task. I later added a cross strut from the crankcase just ahead of the hoist loop all the way back to the left rear corner and added some .063 angle stiffners over the oil cooler flanges for additional support. I'm wondering if I cracked the flange today taking the oil cooler off. It was pretty stuck on and I was having to do a fair amount of prying to get it to separate from the gasket. I would have been more careful if I'd of realized those flanges are made out of such crappy pot metal. Man, they are soft. Since I'm rebuilding, I decided to rebuild the left-rear baffle part and was taking the oil cooler off today to accommodate that. That's when I noticed the crack. Attached are some pictures of the setup prior to disassembly today. Matt At 06:10 PM 2/19/2014 Wednesday, Kelly McMullen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >I certainly recommend talking to Pacific Oil Cooler before you make any decisions. They can give you pricing to repair, and probably have a source for exact replacement as well. > >On 2/19/2014 6:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >>If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut feeling is that it'll crack too. If it was mine I would have it welded .... you can't braze aluminum .... and figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the first place. My first choice is engine vibration, and the second is stress due to the baffle mounting flange not being flat. >>Linn >> >>On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: >>>Greetings RV'ers, >>> >>>On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions. >>> >>>I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack. >>> >>>Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit. >>> >>>One is the "Standard" model for $269: >>> >>> >>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers >>> /standard/aec-8000081.html >>> >>>The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575: >>> >>> >>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers >>> /he-series/aec-8001646.html >>> >>>Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate. >>> >>>Thanks for the feedback. >>> >>>Matt > - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Van's SBs
Date: Feb 20, 2014
Anyone on the net aware of the extent of horizontal stab spar and elevator attachment points cracks? Not exactly looking forward to doing those SBs if the incidence rate has been really low.. grumpy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2014
From: <geezer02(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
I have completed the inspection and didn't find any cracks. Be aware that SB 14-02-03 was superseded by SB 14-02-05. recommended that it not be done as a preventative maintenance. Louis RV-8 N18LD ---- Miller John wrote: > > Anyone on the net aware of the extent of horizontal stab spar and elevator attachment points cracks? > > Not exactly looking forward to doing those SBs if the incidence rate has been really low.. > > grumpy > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: Alan Searle <alan(at)airweigh.com.au>
Date: Feb 21, 2014
Hi Ya Grumpy, All you have to do is remove the fairing at the tailplane to inspect the stab main spar area. The elevators/rudder inspection does not require removal of anything. If no cracks are found then you must do nothing except inspect each year. If cracks are found then the rectification must be made. Be sure to check the Jam Nuts on the rod ends. ( seems that loose jam nuts can cause the problem) Cheers .... Alan. RV8 Flying in Australia. On 21/02/2014, at 4:00 AM, Miller John wrote: > > Anyone on the net aware of the extent of horizontal stab spar and elevator attachment points cracks? > > Not exactly looking forward to doing those SBs if the incidence rate has been really low.. > > grumpy > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Service Bulletin
From: speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 20, 2014
Just a note to make sure all know about the Van's SERVICE BULLETIN 14-01-31 . It's easy to accomplish the inspection - and important. I would advise Van's if you find any cracking so he can track the fleet inf ormation. If you don't have a copy of the SB then send me an email and I will send it to you in PDF. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A Reno Race 84 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Service Bulletin
From: rv8 <rv8(at)summergrove.net>
Thank you Stan!! Yes please send me a copy. Much appreciated. Wally Allington rv8(at)summergrove.net On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > Just a note to make sure all know about the Van's SERVICE BULLETIN > 14-01-31. > It's easy to accomplish the inspection - and important. > I would advise Van's if you find any cracking so he can track the fleet > information. > If you don't have a copy of the SB then send me an email and I will send > it to you in PDF. > > Stan Sutterfield > RV-8A > Reno Race 84 > > * > > > * > > -- Wally ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2014
Thanks, Louis. Got 05 downloaded today after I got back home. grumpy On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:27 AM, geezer02(at)windstream.net wrote: > > I have completed the inspection and didn't find any cracks. Be aware that SB 14-02-03 was superseded by SB 14-02-05. recommended that it not be done as a preventative maintenance. > Louis RV-8 N18LD > > ---- Miller John wrote: >> >> Anyone on the net aware of the extent of horizontal stab spar and elevator attachment points cracks? >> >> Not exactly looking forward to doing those SBs if the incidence rate has been really low.. >> >> grumpy >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2014
Thanks, Alan. I was wondering how many planes have turned up with cracks is either place. grumpy On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Alan Searle wrote: > > Hi Ya Grumpy, > > All you have to do is remove the fairing at the tailplane to inspect the stab main spar area. The elevators/rudder inspection does not require removal of anything. > > If no cracks are found then you must do nothing except inspect each year. If cracks are found then the rectification must be made. > > Be sure to check the Jam Nuts on the rod ends. ( seems that loose jam nuts can cause the problem) > > Cheers .... Alan. RV8 Flying in Australia. > > > > On 21/02/2014, at 4:00 AM, Miller John wrote: > >> >> Anyone on the net aware of the extent of horizontal stab spar and elevator attachment points cracks? >> >> Not exactly looking forward to doing those SBs if the incidence rate has been really low.. >> >> grumpy >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com>
I just finished doing both insp's on the elevator and horz stab and found nothing wrong. I look at the back end carefully every year as I had a Swift that was known for cracks back there. It would be nice to have an account of how many a/c have been insp vs how many have found cracks and what type of operating environment they have been in. Any thoughts how we could do that? Ed Clegg On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Miller John wrote: > > Thanks, Louis. > > Got 05 downloaded today after I got back home. > > grumpy > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:27 AM, geezer02(at)windstream.net wrote: > > > > > I have completed the inspection and didn't find any cracks. Be aware > that SB 14-02-03 was superseded by SB 14-02-05. recommended that it not be > done as a preventative maintenance. > > Louis RV-8 N18LD > > > > ---- Miller John wrote: > >> > >> Anyone on the net aware of the extent of horizontal stab spar and > elevator attachment points cracks? > >> > >> Not exactly looking forward to doing those SBs if the incidence rate > has been really low..... > >> > >> grumpy > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/21/14
From: speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 22, 2014
I would like to think that Van's is tracking the info, but I don't know th at for sure. I think I'll call them on Monday. Stan Sutterfield I just finished doing both insp's on the elevator and horz stab and found nothing wrong. I look at the back end carefully every year as I had a Swift that was known for cracks back there. It would be nice to have an account of how many a/c have been insp vs how many have found cracks and what type of operating environment they have been in. Any thoughts how we could do that? Ed Clegg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
Just inspected my circa 1994 RV-6 for both the stab spar and elevator spar cracks per the respective SB's and found nothing questionable. Whew. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 25, 2014
Any idea how many planes with cracks have been found to date? grumpy On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Just inspected my circa 1994 RV-6 for both the stab spar and elevator spar cracks per the respective SB's and found nothing questionable. Whew. > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: Alan Searle <alan(at)airweigh.com.au>
Date: Feb 26, 2014
Roughly 10% of those reporting their inspection. AKS On 26/02/2014, at 12:33 PM, Miller John wrote: > > Any idea how many planes with cracks have been found to date? > > grumpy > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >> >> Just inspected my circa 1994 RV-6 for both the stab spar and elevator spar cracks per the respective SB's and found nothing questionable. Whew. >> >> >> - >> Matt Dralle >> >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" >> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log >> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log >> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel >> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... >> >> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" >> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log >> Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 25, 2014
Are the numbers being reported to Vans and will Vans report the numbers found? JM On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:43 PM, Alan Searle wrote: > > Roughly 10% of those reporting their inspection. > > AKS > > > On 26/02/2014, at 12:33 PM, Miller John wrote: > >> >> Any idea how many planes with cracks have been found to date? >> >> grumpy >> >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Just inspected my circa 1994 RV-6 for both the stab spar and elevator spar cracks per the respective SB's and found nothing questionable. Whew. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Matt Dralle >>> >>> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" >>> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log >>> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log >>> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel >>> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... >>> >>> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" >>> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log >>> Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
But that's probably a pretty high percentage of "cracks found" because its more likely that someone finding a crack would report it to Van's than someone not finding a crack. 10% seems crazy high especially considering that it took this long to "discover". Seems like everyone should report their findings to Van's good or bad so that their stats are realistic. Just send them to "support@vansaircraft". Included my N number and Serial number. Matt Dralle At 06:43 PM 2/25/2014 Tuesday, Alan Searle wrote: > >Roughly 10% of those reporting their inspection. > >AKS > > >On 26/02/2014, at 12:33 PM, Miller John wrote: > >> >> Any idea how many planes with cracks have been found to date? >> >> grumpy >> >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Just inspected my circa 1994 RV-6 for both the stab spar and elevator spar cracks per the respective SB's and found nothing questionable. Whew. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Matt Dralle >>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Van's SBs
From: vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 26, 2014
According to those on the RV-List, none. I would like Van's to publish bet ter info on this issue and report under what conditions these problems seem to manifest themselves. -GV -----Original Message----- From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:34 pm Subject: RV-List: Re: RV8-List: Re: Van's SBs --> RV-List message posted by: Miller John Any idea how many planes with cracks have been found to date? grumpy On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Just inspected my circa 1994 RV-6 for both the stab spar and elevator spa r cracks per the respective SB's and found nothing questionable. Whew. > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-8 empennage for sale
From: Tim <ttnell(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 27, 2014
I have a complete empennage that I built circa 2002. I won't be going forward with the rest of the airplane. I am ready to pass this on to someone who can use it and for a very reasonable price. It is just time to get it out our the garage and attic. I can be reached at 662-549-0333. Located in the Memphis ,TN area. Tim Nell Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 18, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI
At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote: >--> Avionics-List message posted by: "c1jensen" > >Hi folks, > >Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com > >-------- >Chad Jensen >Vertical Power Support >RV-7, built, flown, sold Great to see you on the List, Chad. I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6. Absolutely love them. I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically. Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features? Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models. For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation. If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat. Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates. Big Fan of Vertical Power Products, - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2014
The best thing you can do is move all mail out of your Inbox into other folders. Every piece you leave in your inbox will need to be moved by hand. Other than that, its pretty straightforward On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote: >> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "c1jensen" >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com >> >> -------- >> Chad Jensen >> Vertical Power Support >> RV-7, built, flown, sold > > > > Great to see you on the List, Chad. I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6. Absolutely love them. I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically. Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features? Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models. > > For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation. If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat. > > Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates. > > Big Fan of Vertical Power Products, > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2014
Sorry guys (and gals), I wasnt paying attention and was responding to another email. Probably making it worse with this explanation. On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Robbie Walker wrote: > > The best thing you can do is move all mail out of your Inbox into other folders. Every piece you leave in your inbox will need to be moved by hand. > Other than that, its pretty straightforward > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >> At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote: >>> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "c1jensen" >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com >>> >>> -------- >>> Chad Jensen >>> Vertical Power Support >>> RV-7, built, flown, sold >> >> >> >> Great to see you on the List, Chad. I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6. Absolutely love them. I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically. Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features? Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models. >> >> For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation. If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat. >> >> Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates. >> >> Big Fan of Vertical Power Products, >> >> >> - >> Matt Dralle >> >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" >> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log >> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log >> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel >> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... >> >> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" >> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log >> Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode >> >> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! >> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore >> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! >> For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 21, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI
At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote: >--> Avionics-List message posted by: Ralph Finch > >Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just >don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that >is essentially the role of the VP-X. I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various phases of flight. The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great. The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night. I have to manually turn the position lights on. It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen. Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... :-) Best regards, - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shaun Dawson <scdawson(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI
Based on GPS information (position and time), you can know whether you are in Day or night, no problem, without having to resort to external devices such as a light sensor (which can break). I would think that sort of thing would be quite easy. Shaun On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote: > >--> Avionics-List message posted by: Ralph Finch < > ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com> > > > >Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just > >don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that > >is essentially the role of the VP-X. > > > I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers > didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is > and how it really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've > had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe > of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it > works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various > phases of flight. The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS > data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in - > Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the > electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is > simply genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the > market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great. > The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the > determination of Day vs. Night. I have to manually turn the position > lights o! > n. It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye > or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen. > > Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an > external embedded processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get > the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those > lines... :-) > > Best regards, > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer > Mode > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2014
Subject: Fairings Etc. Lower set for RV-8 (tailwheel only
Hi, I'm redoing my wheel pants and ended up re using the old fairings rather than install new ones. So, I paid $155 plus shipping, I'm selling for $90 to anyone who is interested in them. This is the lower set only. Thanks. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-8 flap fairing
From: pplous(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 12, 2014
Listers,

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