delays are different for these channels (80Hz will be
      in phase from the front to the rear of the door
      without any delay, adding delay will screw up the
      phase in the low mid-bass region).  You might want to
      throw a second active crossover (or use the amp's if
      it has one) to cut off the woofer WAY lower (like 150
      or 200Hz) - this will reduce phase issues in the upper
      midrange if the delays are set identical for mid-bass
      reinforcement. I find 250Hz gets Boomy really quick,
      and midrange drivers usually do just fine in this
      range without any help from a woofer.  If only the XDP
      had more x-over frequencies live the XES - I'd be in
      heaven!
      
      Anyway, good luck!
      
      Later,
      Randy V.
      C90 + 4000X
      C910 + 210EQ
      
      --- Dick Brussee  wrote:
      > 
      > 
      > Hello XDP people,
      > 
      > I was the one with the loud tweeters.... Well, I've
      > done it ! I have rewired my carstereo....
      > 
      > After days of tuning (it never sounds right) I find
      > it sounding like an echo. especially when the music
      > has a little echo in it itself. The sub is sometimes
      > too loud, sometimes I hear no sub where I should
      > hear sub. And sometimes the bass of the sub is
      > perfect !
      > 
      > I typed in all the inches from ear to speaker.
      > 
      > I have :
      > high : 2 tweeters - 4.00 khz -24db/oct
      > mid : 2 woofers front - 78 hz -36 db/oct <-> 4.00k
      > -24 db/oct
      > low : 2 woofers in the back of the frontdoor which I
      > use as :
      > 78 hz -72 db/oct <-> 500 Hz -72 db/oct
      > 
      > And the sub : 78Hz -72 db/oct
      > 
      > High -1 db l+r
      > mid  0 db l+r
      > low -10 db l+r
      > sub 0 db l+r
      > 
      > What am I doing wrong here ?
      > 
      > Dick Brussee
      > 
      >
      >
      > http://www.matronics.com/archives
      >
      > 
      
      
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From: 
Sqxpert(at)aol.com
Date: 
Nov 27, 2003
Subject: 
Re: Loud tweeters....Is there an echo in here ?
      
      
      i can honestly say that if you are running  things @ 72db-
      it could definately cause  phaseing issues
      
      i have a few settings in my car- and one of them , os @ all  72db
      
      my  center goes from being  exact center, to going as wide as lc-to-rc and 
      maybe even some  more than that
      
      
      tim koehle
      meca sql custom class
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Dick Brussee" <djpbruss(at)xs4all.nl>
Subject: 
Re: Loud tweeters....Is there an echo in here ?
Date: 
Nov 27, 2003
      
      
      Hello,
      
      thanks for thinking with me....
      
      Isn't there any test-CD title I can buy for this kind of tests ?
      
      Dick
      
      
      > Have you run a frequency sweep sample on your system since making your
      > changes, listening to the levels of your channels, the transitions between
      > your different crossover points, and the peaks and valleys of your
      frequency
      > response?  If you haven't that'd be the first step I'd recommend.  I'd say
      > that you run the test at least through your highest crossover point, the
      > higher the frequency, the more difficult it can be to make those minute
      > adjustments, but it's always my first step I take after making any changes
      > to my stereo.  I have a program that can generate a frequency sweep if you
      > need, but it get's pretty technical after you have to separate the
      different
      > frequency sweeps and their speed of the increase in frequency, track the
      > ratio of time vs frequency so you know what sound you're hearing at what
      > time, and  to burn it to cd.  But in any case, you'll be able to hear
      > exactly what your ears think your stereo is doing (wrong).  Anyways, good
      > luck, let me know if I can help you out anymore.
      >
      > Bobby
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Dick Brussee" <djpbruss(at)xs4all.nl>
      > To: 
      > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Loud tweeters....Is there an echo in here ?
      >
      >
      > >
      > > Hello XDP people,
      > >
      > > I was the one with the loud tweeters.... Well, I've done it ! I have
      > rewired my carstereo....
      > >
      > > After days of tuning (it never sounds right) I find it sounding like an
      > echo. especially when the music has a little echo in it itself. The sub is
      > sometimes too loud, sometimes I hear no sub where I should hear sub. And
      > sometimes the bass of the sub is perfect !
      > >
      > > I typed in all the inches from ear to speaker.
      > >
      > > I have :
      > > high : 2 tweeters - 4.00 khz -24db/oct
      > > mid : 2 woofers front - 78 hz -36 db/oct <-> 4.00k -24 db/oct
      > > low : 2 woofers in the back of the frontdoor which I use as :
      > > 78 hz -72 db/oct <-> 500 Hz -72 db/oct
      > >
      > > And the sub : 78Hz -72 db/oct
      > >
      > > High -1 db l+r
      > > mid  0 db l+r
      > > low -10 db l+r
      > > sub 0 db l+r
      > >
      > > What am I doing wrong here ?
      > >
      > > Dick Brussee
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Dick Brussee" <djpbruss(at)xs4all.nl>
Subject: 
Re: Loud tweeters....Is there an echo in here ?
Date: 
Nov 27, 2003
      
      
      Ok, the amps are XM-4045's from Sony... I have them quite a while now. I
      only use the crosovers from the xdp4000x
      
      
      D 36 Left 53 Right
      C 37 left 56 right
      B 30 left 47 right
      A 63 left and 63 right
      
      I tell you about the -10 db.... When I did that, the echo was less
      irritating, so I think I should disable those speakers and have a 2-way at
      the front and the sub only at the back.... I think that's much better, but I
      will try it once the wetter gets better over here.....
      
      Well, that's it for now..
      
      Thanks for thinking with me....
      
      Dick Brussee
      
      
      
      >
      > Hi!
      >
      > What amps are driving what drivers, and do any of the
      > amps have any kind of DSP built in (Like Fosgate's
      > newer X series).
      >
      > If you are getting an "echo", it sounds like either
      > you have a distance parameter WAY out of spec, or your
      > amps are somehow delaying the signal relative to each
      > other.  You are sure you have the correct output
      > (A,B,C,D) feeding the correct amp and so forth?
      >
      > I have yet to "Fine Tweak" my system, but even with
      > the exact distance measurements entered, I get a
      > fantastic center image, but stereo width is slightly
      > narrow.  I MUCH prefer an accurate center image over
      > "hyped" L/R seperation anyday!  No "Echo" issues here
      > with a bi-amped front, an "inconspicuous" rear fill
      > set-up, and a sub cluster. Go figure.
      >
      > Just out of curiosty, what are your distance settings
      > per channel, per side (A Left = ?"; A Right = ?",
      > etc.)
      >
      > One more thing, I would mirror the 36dB slope on the
      > mid-range for the "woofer" in your door.  As it
      > stands, your "Mid" is actually getting more bass than
      > your "Woofer" since the woofer has a steeper low-end
      > cutoff of 72 dB at 78Hz.  And why do you have the
      > "Mid-Bass" out set to -10dB relative to the others?
      >
      > Since these drivers overlap in the 78Hz - 500Hz
      > region, you will end up with phase issues if the
      > delays are different for these channels (80Hz will be
      > in phase from the front to the rear of the door
      > without any delay, adding delay will screw up the
      > phase in the low mid-bass region).  You might want to
      > throw a second active crossover (or use the amp's if
      > it has one) to cut off the woofer WAY lower (like 150
      > or 200Hz) - this will reduce phase issues in the upper
      > midrange if the delays are set identical for mid-bass
      > reinforcement. I find 250Hz gets Boomy really quick,
      > and midrange drivers usually do just fine in this
      > range without any help from a woofer.  If only the XDP
      > had more x-over frequencies live the XES - I'd be in
      > heaven!
      >
      > Anyway, good luck!
      >
      > Later,
      > Randy V.
      > C90 + 4000X
      > C910 + 210EQ
      >
      > --- Dick Brussee  wrote:
      > > 
      > >
      > > Hello XDP people,
      > >
      > > I was the one with the loud tweeters.... Well, I've
      > > done it ! I have rewired my carstereo....
      > >
      > > After days of tuning (it never sounds right) I find
      > > it sounding like an echo. especially when the music
      > > has a little echo in it itself. The sub is sometimes
      > > too loud, sometimes I hear no sub where I should
      > > hear sub. And sometimes the bass of the sub is
      > > perfect !
      > >
      > > I typed in all the inches from ear to speaker.
      > >
      > > I have :
      > > high : 2 tweeters - 4.00 khz -24db/oct
      > > mid : 2 woofers front - 78 hz -36 db/oct <-> 4.00k
      > > -24 db/oct
      > > low : 2 woofers in the back of the frontdoor which I
      > > use as :
      > > 78 hz -72 db/oct <-> 500 Hz -72 db/oct
      > >
      > > And the sub : 78Hz -72 db/oct
      > >
      > > High -1 db l+r
      > > mid  0 db l+r
      > > low -10 db l+r
      > > sub 0 db l+r
      > >
      > > What am I doing wrong here ?
      > >
      > > Dick Brussee
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
Sqxpert(at)aol.com
Date: 
Nov 27, 2003
Subject: 
Re: Loud tweeters....Is there an echo in here ?
      
      
      test cd- check any local pro audio shop  in your town , i m pretty shure they 
      should have something that  will  work for you
      
      happy t- day everyone(im full!)
      
      
      tim koehle
      
      
      
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From: 
Sqxpert(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 06, 2003
Subject: 
Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/05/03
      
      
      hey guys - im looking for a  rm-x90 remote for my c-90
      
      anyone have any?
      or one that is not in use?
      
      thanks  
      
      tim koehle
      419-810-6082
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Dec 11, 2003
From: 
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 
XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
      
      
      Hey Guys,
      
      I was wondering if anyone knew why the Toslink inputs on the Sony XDP-4000x 
      are hard set at a 480000 sample rate?  It will not auto-sync at any other 
      sample rate such as the common CD rate of 44.1k.  This means that all of 
      the Sony Changers and head unit CD outputs have to be up converted from the 
      native 44.1k sample rate to the 48k required by the 4k.  This just doesn't 
      make any sense to me from a performance or quality standpoint.  It would 
      keep 4k owners from just hooking up any generic cd changer to the unit, but 
      that seems a little subversive.
      
      Any thoughts or information on this would be most appreciated.
      
      Matt Dralle
      
      
      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Vs. Pioneer P-9
Date: 
Dec 20, 2003
      
      
      I have a friend who has been thinking of going with a pioneer p-9 setup so I've
      become a little familiar with some of it's options.  I'm wondering if anyone
      else out there has any experience with this unit.  I'm curious, am I correct that
      this unit doesn't have an actual parametric eq, just a 31 band?  I'm also
      wondering if there is an option to connect the unit to a computer for programming,
      I like the idea of being able to make changes from the head unit, but I'd
      think that programming the entire thing using that method would get rather tedious.
      What do you guys think of the P-9 setup? Is it an upgrade from the 4000x
      or not?
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
Sqxpert(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 21, 2003
Subject: 
Re: Vs. Pioneer P-9
      
      
      i have my 4000x for sale,  $300 shipped in the usa
      i have everything you need for it
      cosmetically it is a 9 out of a 10 , there is a small scratch where the unit 
      is mounted
      
      thanks
      
      
      tim koehle
      419-810-6082
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 25, 2003
Subject: 
Newer Focal Speakers particularly the TN52 tweet
      
      
      Anyone have any experience with these?  Thanks..
      
      Dan
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Raymund Guerrero" <oc768(at)houston.rr.com>
Subject: 
XDP-4000X For Sale
Date: 
Dec 26, 2003
      
      
           I will be selling a XDP-4000X on ebay at the beginning of the year and
      wanted to post here first.  It is the unit only and is in good condition.  I
      wish to offer it to anyone on the list before I ebay it. Any questions, feel
      free to email for more info and to request a picture of the actual item.
      Thanks.
      
      Raymund
      oc768(at)houston.rr.com
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 26, 2003
Subject: 
Neeeded XA-D211
      
      
      Anyone have an extra?
      
      Thanks..
      
      Dan
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
Sqxpert(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 27, 2003
Subject: 
Re: Neeeded XA-D211+ 4kx for sale
      
      
      whats that?
      
      the optical  adapter?
      if so , i have one
      
      (and also have  my 4kx for sale
      
      w/ everything inc. cabels, optical adap. software, and everything you need to 
      run the 4kx)
      $300 shipped  in usa
      please give me a call , if interested
      
      tim koehle
      419-810-6082
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: Neeeded XA-D211+ 4kx for sale
Date: 
Dec 27, 2003
      
      
      Tim, I may have a friend who's interested, how soon are you looking to get
      rid of it, It'll be a few days till I see him.  Also, are you looking to get
      rid of the head unit that controls it?
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <Sqxpert(at)aol.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Neeeded XA-D211+ 4kx for sale
      
      
      >
      > whats that?
      >
      > the optical  adapter?
      > if so , i have one
      >
      > (and also have  my 4kx for sale
      >
      > w/ everything inc. cabels, optical adap. software, and everything you need
      to
      > run the 4kx)
      > $300 shipped  in usa
      > please give me a call , if interested
      >
      > tim koehle
      > 419-810-6082
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Ryan Conway" <conway_ryan(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
anyone looking for a Sony XA-U40D?
Date: 
Dec 28, 2003
      
      
      The Sony XA-U40D will allow you to hook up multiple changers (up to 16) to a 
      XDP-4000x using the optical connections for the best signal quality.  I know 
      many people on the list may be searching for this item as they have become 
      extremely hard to locate.  I have one for sale on Ebay, if anyone is 
      interested please go to:
      
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52479&item=3068424786
      
      This was part of my Mobile ES setup which included the XDP-4000X DSP, 
      CDX-C90 head unit, CDX-91 CD changer and MDX-65 MD changer.  I am very 
      familiar with the entire ES line and would be happy to help anyone on this 
      list with setup and other questions they may have.
      
      Thanks
      Ryan
      
      Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet 
      
      
      
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From: 
Sqxpert(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 29, 2003
Subject: 
Re: Neeeded XA-D211+ 4kx for sale
      
      
      i will have the unit(c-90) up  for sale , as soon as i find a eclipse 8061 
      deck(the one w/ balenced out
      
      anyways , i think i may have it sold, but not to shure i just sent the guy a 
      e-mail   about it , and will be waiting for the check in the mail- or a 
      replyed e-mail- but as for right now,  it is still for sale- until i hear back
      from 
      him
      
      thanks
      
      tim koehle
      419-810-6082
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
XA-U40D--What a RARE unit!  (But 16 devices???)
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
       PLING_QUERY
      
      
      A VERY rare peice indeed and the condition looks like it was new at that! 
      Looks like Matt won it!  What a price tag though--$250 US!  Imagine if Sony 
      had only made more of these things--they would likely be available for about 
      1/3rd that.  Instead they made all 5 of them (okay an exaggeration but you 
      get the point) and you're paying over $250 for one and that is if you ever 
      find one!  Anyway congrats on picking this up Matt--one rare item indeed.
      
      My only nitpick from the below description is the claim of "up to 16" 
      changers below.  This is strange to me for two reasons.  One is that a 
      single XA-U40D will only allow 4 changers to the one UniLink connection on 
      the XDP or head unit.  I would guess Ryan meant that if you chained more 
      than one of these together (yeah right as if you are going to find another 
      U40D!) you could get more changers going.  This is true and it may even be 
      combined with XA-U40 or U20 (non-"D") or XA-C30 MCAs.  However I've never 
      seen mention of 16 changers before...
      
      You can either connect devices on the UniLink bus in serial or parallel so 
      to connect 16 changers you would have to connect 4 U40/U40D MCAs in parallel 
      to a fifth (so 5 in total) in order to get to 16 device ports available 
      (you'd need more if you were using models with fewer ports like the C30).  
      On the first you would connect each of the other 4 which would then have 4 
      ports available on each of the 4 remaining U40/U40D units.   Theoretically 
      that would work out but I've never heard of 16 devices being part of the 
      UniLink standard.
      
      In the early days of UniLink (when "U" in the model number was used to 
      denote UniLink capability) Sony had advertised a maximum of 10 changers 
      (devices?) using MCAs.  Later as they changed the UniLink designator to the 
      "C" in the model number, Sony changed their tune saying 7 was now the limit 
      and since there were also MD and CD changers the limit of 7 was said to be 7 
      but with a maximum of 5 of any one type of changer.  (I.e. Out of that 7 you 
      could only have 5 CD changers, the remaining 2 would have to be MD or vice 
      versa.).  I wonder why they changed the limit from 10 to 7 but I'd imagine 
      it might have to do with also having a DSP unit and/or TV Tuner connected as 
      well as these were released a little later on I believe.  Furthermore the 
      XA-300 AUX adapter takes up 3 CD changer addresses on its own!  I wonder how 
      that figures in?
      
      In any case I'm curious to know whether anyone else has ever heard of "16" 
      being the number for maximum UniLink devices?  I only remember the "10" and 
      the "7"/"5 of one type" limitations being printed by Sony.  I really doubt 
      you'd be able to successfully address 16 devices on the UniLink BUS!  I 
      guess it may be possible but it cerainly isn't "certified" for that many!
      
      Roland M.
      
      >From: "Ryan Conway" <conway_ryan(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: anyone looking for a Sony XA-U40D?
      >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:01:31 -0700
      >
      >
      >
      >The Sony XA-U40D will allow you to hook up multiple changers (up to 16) to 
      >a
      >XDP-4000x using the optical connections for the best signal quality.  I 
      >know
      >many people on the list may be searching for this item as they have become
      >extremely hard to locate.  I have one for sale on Ebay, if anyone is
      >interested please go to:
      >
      >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52479&item=3068424786
      >
      >This was part of my Mobile ES setup which included the XDP-4000X DSP,
      >CDX-C90 head unit, CDX-91 CD changer and MDX-65 MD changer.  I am very
      >familiar with the entire ES line and would be happy to help anyone on this
      >list with setup and other questions they may have.
      >
      >Thanks
      >Ryan
      >
      >
      
      
      
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From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      TEST
      
      
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From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
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From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 30, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: MJDesign Dials
      
      
      what is this and why am I getting multiple copies
      
      
      <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> wrote:
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
Subject: 
A/D/S P2110 power plate amp for sale...
      
      
      specs are as follows:
      
      2 X 110 @ 4 ohms
      1 X 360 @ 4 ohms
      
      both high and low pass filters as well as RCA pass throughs.
      
      Thanks.
      
      Dan
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Christian Arvizo" <xesz50(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Roland M. my good man you have way too much time on your hands!!!
      
      Christian A.
      
      
      >From: XDP4000X-List Digest Server <xdp4000x-list-digest(at)matronics.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: XDP4000X-List Digest List 
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03
      >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:58:27 -0800
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      >                      Total Messages Posted Tue 12/30/03: 11
      >
      >
      >Today's Message Index:
      >----------------------
      >
      >      1. 01:47 AM - Re: XA-U40D--What a RARE unit! (But 16 devices???)  
      >(Roland M)
      >      2. 01:50 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      3. 01:52 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      4. 01:56 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      5. 01:57 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      6. 01:59 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      7. 02:03 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      8. 02:05 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >      9. 02:07 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >     10. 02:12 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >     11. 02:16 AM - MJDesign Dials  ()
      >
      >
      >________________________________  Message 1  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XA-U40D--What a RARE unit!  (But 16 devices???)
      >  PLING_QUERY
      >
      >
      >A VERY rare peice indeed and the condition looks like it was new at that!
      >Looks like Matt won it!  What a price tag though--$250 US!  Imagine if Sony
      >had only made more of these things--they would likely be available for 
      >about
      >1/3rd that.  Instead they made all 5 of them (okay an exaggeration but you
      >get the point) and you're paying over $250 for one and that is if you ever
      >find one!  Anyway congrats on picking this up Matt--one rare item indeed.
      >
      >My only nitpick from the below description is the claim of "up to 16"
      >changers below.  This is strange to me for two reasons.  One is that a
      >single XA-U40D will only allow 4 changers to the one UniLink connection on
      >the XDP or head unit.  I would guess Ryan meant that if you chained more
      >than one of these together (yeah right as if you are going to find another
      >U40D!) you could get more changers going.  This is true and it may even be
      >combined with XA-U40 or U20 (non-"D") or XA-C30 MCAs.  However I've never
      >seen mention of 16 changers before...
      >
      >You can either connect devices on the UniLink bus in serial or parallel so
      >to connect 16 changers you would have to connect 4 U40/U40D MCAs in 
      >parallel
      >to a fifth (so 5 in total) in order to get to 16 device ports available
      >(you'd need more if you were using models with fewer ports like the C30).
      >On the first you would connect each of the other 4 which would then have 4
      >ports available on each of the 4 remaining U40/U40D units.   Theoretically
      >that would work out but I've never heard of 16 devices being part of the
      >UniLink standard.
      >
      >In the early days of UniLink (when "U" in the model number was used to
      >denote UniLink capability) Sony had advertised a maximum of 10 changers
      >(devices?) using MCAs.  Later as they changed the UniLink designator to the
      >"C" in the model number, Sony changed their tune saying 7 was now the limit
      >and since there were also MD and CD changers the limit of 7 was said to be 
      >7
      >but with a maximum of 5 of any one type of changer.  (I.e. Out of that 7 
      >you
      >could only have 5 CD changers, the remaining 2 would have to be MD or vice
      >versa.).  I wonder why they changed the limit from 10 to 7 but I'd imagine
      >it might have to do with also having a DSP unit and/or TV Tuner connected 
      >as
      >well as these were released a little later on I believe.  Furthermore the
      >XA-300 AUX adapter takes up 3 CD changer addresses on its own!  I wonder 
      >how
      >that figures in?
      >
      >In any case I'm curious to know whether anyone else has ever heard of "16"
      >being the number for maximum UniLink devices?  I only remember the "10" and
      >the "7"/"5 of one type" limitations being printed by Sony.  I really doubt
      >you'd be able to successfully address 16 devices on the UniLink BUS!  I
      >guess it may be possible but it cerainly isn't "certified" for that many!
      >
      >Roland M.
      >
      > >From: "Ryan Conway" <conway_ryan(at)hotmail.com>
      > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > >Subject: XDP4000X-List: anyone looking for a Sony XA-U40D?
      > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:01:31 -0700
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >The Sony XA-U40D will allow you to hook up multiple changers (up to 16) 
      >to
      > >a
      > >XDP-4000x using the optical connections for the best signal quality.  I
      > >know
      > >many people on the list may be searching for this item as they have 
      >become
      > >extremely hard to locate.  I have one for sale on Ebay, if anyone is
      > >interested please go to:
      > >
      > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52479&item=3068424786
      > >
      > >This was part of my Mobile ES setup which included the XDP-4000X DSP,
      > >CDX-C90 head unit, CDX-91 CD changer and MDX-65 MD changer.  I am very
      > >familiar with the entire ES line and would be happy to help anyone on 
      >this
      > >list with setup and other questions they may have.
      > >
      > >Thanks
      > >Ryan
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >________________________________  Message 2  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >TEST
      >
      >________________________________  Message 3  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 4  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 5  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 6  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 7  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 8  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 9  
      >_____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 10  
      >____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >________________________________  Message 11  
      >____________________________________
      >
      >
      >From: "" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: MJDesign Dials
      >
      >
      >Please send payment to the following address:
      >
      >Colin Smith
      >9 Culzean Avenue
      >Prestwick
      >Scotland
      >KA9 2EY
      >
      >And payment will be:
      >
      >7 Dials - 80
      >
      >Temp Gauge - 15
      >
      >Heater Panel - 20
      >
      >
      >Many Thanks
      >
      >Colin
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: 
MJDesign Dials
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
      
      
      Please send payment to the following address:
      
      Colin Smith
      9 Culzean Avenue
      Prestwick
      Scotland
      KA9 2EY
      
      And payment will be:
      
      7 Dials - 80
      
      Temp Gauge - 15
      
      Heater Panel - 20
      
      
      Many Thanks
      
      Colin
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Dec 31, 2003
Subject: 
Re: MJDesign Dials (I've unsubscribed this guy!)
      
      
      In a message dated 12/31/03 2:15:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
      dremgragen(at)hotmail.com writes:
      
      Thanks so much. I was ready to strangle him! lol. 
      
      
      -Brody
      
      
      X 2.........
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Digital Output on C90
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      Hey all,
      
      Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital coaxial
      output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a proprietary output intended
      to bring in more money (by selling the DA-211 as an accessory)?
      
      I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700 processor and
      a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have a fiber optic digital
      output, just a coaxial digital output. If the DA-211 isa digital coaxial -
      fiber opticconverter, then I could just use it with one of the new decks with
      coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic output to put into the H700 input. 
      
      Anyone know? 
      
      Thanks,
      -Brody Z.
      
      P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for a few
      reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during daytime (otherwise
      I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am tired of the less than optimal
      crossover point selections on the 4000X. 3). I hate having to use a laptop
      to make changes, I want to be able to do it at the driver's seat without any
      extra trouble. 4). I hate that anytime you want to add something to the combo
      that you have to buy an accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto
      install (like how I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to
      the processor and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on the
      4kX while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog input).
       line computer scan. 
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
From: 
DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: 
Re: Digital Output on C90
      
      
      Hi brody,
      
      The Fibre optical out is not propritery...and the connector on the C90 
      is not a true
      coaxial output.  Not sure why sony didn't go with a typical interface, 
      but if you saw
      the xad211, you'd know what I'm talking about...
      
      If you had the XAD211, you should be able to get a fibre output, and 
      then buy a fibre
      to coaxial output converter if you want to convert it to a digital 
      coaxial output...
      
      Hope this helps,
      
      Daniel
      
      Brody Z wrote:
      
      >
      >Hey all,
      >
      >Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital coaxial
      output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a proprietary output intended
      to bring in more money (by selling the DA-211 as an accessory)?
      >
      >I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700 processor and
      a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have a fiber optic digital
      output, just a coaxial digital output. If the DA-211 isa digital coaxial
      - fiber opticconverter, then I could just use it with one of the new decks with
      coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic output to put into the H700 input. 
      >
      >Anyone know? 
      >
      >Thanks,
      >-Brody Z.
      >
      >P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for a few
      reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during daytime (otherwise
      I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am tired of the less than
      optimal crossover point selections on the 4000X. 3). I hate having to use a laptop
      to make changes, I want to be able to do it at the driver's seat without
      any extra trouble. 4). I hate that anytime you want to add something to the combo
      that you have to buy an accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto
      install (like how I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to
      the processor and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on
      the 4kX while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog input).
      > line computer scan. 
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: Digital Output on C90
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      Daniel,
      
      
      I think you misunderstood me on multiple accounts.
      
      
      I meant is the output on the C90 proprietary, not fiber optic out. The digital
      output on the C90 deck itself is what I am talking about.
      
      
      I own the C90, 4000X, and the D211, I know exactly what they all look like. I use
      them in my setup right now.
      
      
      I want to change to the Alpine PXA-H700 processor and get a different head unit.
      Problem is the H700 takes fiber optic and all the decks I find have coaxial
      digital output. So I don't need a fiber optic to coaxial conversion, I need a
      coaxial to fiber optic conversion. I was asking if the D211 could be used as a
      coaxial to fiber optic converter so I could use a head unit with coaxial digital
      output with the Alpine H700 processor that takes fiber optic inputs.
      
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: DB <DBOTEL6500(at)ROGERS.COM>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90 
      Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:31 -0500 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: DB 
      
      Hi brody, 
      
      The Fibre optical out is not propritery...and the connector on the C90 
      is not a true 
      coaxial output.Not sure why sony didn't go with a typical interface, 
      but if you saw 
      the xad211, you'd know what I'm talking about... 
      
      If you had the XAD211, you should be able to get a fibre output, and 
      then buy a fibre 
      to coaxial output converter if you want to convert it to a digital 
      coaxial output... 
      
      Hope this helps, 
      
      Daniel 
      
      Brody Z wrote: 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" 
      
      Hey all, 
      
      Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital coaxial
      output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a proprietary output intended
      to bring in more money (by selling the DA-211 as an accessory)? 
      
      I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700 processor and
      a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have a fiber optic digital
      output, just a coaxial digital output. If the DA-211 isa digital coaxial -
      fiber opticconverter, then I could just use it with one of the new decks with
      coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic output to put into the H700 input. 
      
      Anyone know? 
      
      Thanks, 
      -Brody Z. 
      
      P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for a few
      reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during daytime (otherwise
      I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am tired of the less than optimal
      crossover point selections on the 4000X. 3). I hate having to use a laptop
      to make changes, I want to be able to do it at the driver's seat without any
      extra trouble. 4). I hate that anytime you want to add something to the combo
      that you have to buy an accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto
      install (like how I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to
      the processor and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on the
      4kX while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog input).
      
       line computer scan. 
      
      
       Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home.  
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: 
Digital Output on C90
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      "I want to change to the Alpine PXA-H700 processor and get a different
      head unit. Problem is the H700 takes fiber optic and all the decks I
      find have coaxial digital output. So I don't need a fiber optic to
      coaxial conversion, I need a coaxial to fiber optic conversion. I was
      asking if the D211 could be used as a coaxial to fiber optic converter
      so I could use a head unit with coaxial digital output with the Alpine
      H700 processor that takes fiber optic inputs."
      
      DON'T'T DO IT!
      
      The h700 is no where near the 4k for straight sq, comparatively the
      alpine is a cheap piece in almost all respects. I would rather keep the
      4k even if the x-overs are not perfect, solution is to base your
      speakers around the xdp and you have one fine system. Too much hype
      surrounds the h700. Firstly they had a noise issue which is supposed to
      be fixed which is fine but I listened to it and the highs are no where
      near as good (I think its just cheap really, bit of a pretender in this
      company). Many people agree on this issue too. Unless you are going for
      multimedia which I personally cant see the point in). You would have to
      pay me to use an h700 :)
      
      The alpine IMHO is a not in the same league.
      
      Hope that helps.
      
      Pete
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brody Z
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90
      
      
      Daniel,
      
      
      I think you misunderstood me on multiple accounts.
      
      
      I meant is the output on the C90 proprietary, not fiber optic out. The
      digital output on the C90 deck itself is what I am talking about.
      
      
      I own the C90, 4000X, and the D211, I know exactly what they all look
      like. I use them in my setup right now.
      
      
      I want to change to the Alpine PXA-H700 processor and get a different
      head unit. Problem is the H700 takes fiber optic and all the decks I
      find have coaxial digital output. So I don't need a fiber optic to
      coaxial conversion, I need a coaxial to fiber optic conversion. I was
      asking if the D211 could be used as a coaxial to fiber optic converter
      so I could use a head unit with coaxial digital output with the Alpine
      H700 processor that takes fiber optic inputs.
      
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: DB <DBOTEL6500(at)ROGERS.COM>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90 
      Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:31 -0500 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: DB 
      
      Hi brody, 
      
      The Fibre optical out is not propritery...and the connector on the C90 
      is not a true 
      coaxial output.Not sure why sony didn't go with a typical interface, 
      but if you saw 
      the xad211, you'd know what I'm talking about... 
      
      If you had the XAD211, you should be able to get a fibre output, and 
      then buy a fibre 
      to coaxial output converter if you want to convert it to a digital 
      coaxial output... 
      
      Hope this helps, 
      
      Daniel 
      
      Brody Z wrote: 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" 
      
      Hey all, 
      
      Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital
      coaxial output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a
      proprietary output intended to bring in more money (by selling the
      DA-211 as an accessory)? 
      
      I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700
      processor and a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have
      a fiber optic digital output, just a coaxial digital output. If the
      DA-211 isa digital coaxial - fiber opticconverter, then I could just use
      it with one of the new decks with coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic
      output to put into the H700 input. 
      
      Anyone know? 
      
      Thanks, 
      -Brody Z. 
      
      P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for
      a few reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during
      daytime (otherwise I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am
      tired of the less than optimal crossover point selections on the 4000X.
      3). I hate having to use a laptop to make changes, I want to be able to
      do it at the driver's seat without any extra trouble. 4). I hate that
      anytime you want to add something to the combo that you have to buy an
      accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto install (like how
      I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to the processor
      and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on the 4kX
      while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog
      input). 
       line computer scan. 
      
      
       Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House &
      Home.  
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
<dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: 
Re: Digital Output on C90
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      Ahh...I was totally confused on that front, as I was not
      sure what you wanted to do.  (For a second there, I thought you were considering
      using the C90 as a source deck, but I totally missed your postscript!  ;-)
      
      Unfortunatly, you won't be able to use the DA211 as a 
      coax to optical converter, as that is not what it does.
      
      There are converters that you can buy in the store for
      around 30-40 bucks...
      
      Hope this helps!
      
      D
      
      
      > 
      > From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      > Date: 2004/01/06 Tue AM 09:45:48 EST
      > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90
      > 
      > 
      
      1
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: Digital Output on C90
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      >
      >Ahh...I was totally confused on that front, as I was not
      >sure what you wanted to do.  (For a second there, I thought you were 
      >considering using the C90 as a source deck, but I totally missed your 
      >postscript!  ;-)
      >
      >Unfortunatly, you won't be able to use the DA211 as a
      >coax to optical converter, as that is not what it does.
      >
      >There are converters that you can buy in the store for
      >around 30-40 bucks...
      >
      >Hope this helps!
      >
      >D
      >
      >
      Well technically speaking that is exactly what the XA-D210/211 does.  It 
      does indeed have to convert some kind of electrical signal to an optical 
      one.  The problem is that the output connector on the CDX-C90/C910 and 
      MDX-400 (and any other decks that have the "UniLink Digital Out" connector) 
      don't actually have an RCA type connection, thought it does look like it at 
      first.
      
      The format is almost certainly the conventional electrical S/PDIF format 
      (aka Coax) but the connector isn't conventional.  Instead it has a "3-line" 
      or "4-pole" miniplug/jack system with an "RCA-type" ring around it which 
      serves as a ground AFAIK.
      
      The connection seems to have multiple grounds (judging from the service 
      manual)--meaning one ground and +xV ("x" becuase I don't know what the 
      voltage is for the adapter)--this powers the XA-D210/211 adapter's LED and 
      circuitry.  The other poles seem to be for ground and signal for the S/PDIF 
      connection.  Finally the ring seems to serve as another ground...
      
      If you could determine which poles were which and how much voltage goes to 
      the adapter then technically speaking you should be able to do a coax to 
      optical conversion using a 4-pole minijack and plugging it into that and 
      getting all the connections right.
      
      There is another consideration, however.  S/PDIF comes in two 
      "flavours"--one is called TTL and the other is something else.  One is +/- 
      0.5V and the other is +/- 5.0V.  One is usually used "internally" in devices 
      while the other is used for external connections/cables--I can't remember 
      which is which.  Also, which one Sony uses for that adapter interface I 
      don't know.
      
      It is all too much of a hassle if you ask me.  Instead you can pick up a 
      coax. to optical converter (1 way) for like $17 US from PartsExpress, 
      including a 6V AC adapter.  Of course, in-car the adapter will be of no use 
      to you and you'll have to use a DC-DC converter to get the 6V to power the 
      converter.
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Christian Arvizo" <xesz50(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03
      >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:21:13 +0000
      >
      >
      >
      >Roland M. my good man you have way too much time on your hands!!!
      >
      >Christian A.
      >
      >
      
      LOL, yeah you are probably right! :D
      
      Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home.  
      http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
Date: 
Jan 06, 2004
      
      
      A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting the USB
      port to an RS232 serial port.  I was a bit skeptical at the time as to whether
      or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and learned that a
      serial port isn't an option on computers anymore.  I was forced to try the USB-Serial
      convertor, and even though there was some minor installation problems
      with XP it did end up working, which is great news for us planning on using our
      4000x's down the road!  Just thought some of you would like to know, I don't
      remember anyone else saying they'd successfully made the connection using a convertor
      before.
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
Date: 
Jan 07, 2004
      
      
      >
      >A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting the 
      >USB port to an RS232 serial port.  I was a bit skeptical at the time as to 
      >whether or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and 
      >learned that a serial port isn't an option on computers anymore.  I was 
      >forced to try the USB-Serial convertor, and even though there was some 
      >minor installation problems with XP it did end up working, which is great 
      >news for us planning on using our 4000x's down the road!  Just thought some 
      >of you would like to know, I don't remember anyone else saying they'd 
      >successfully made the connection using a convertor before.
      
      Yes this is correct AFAIK--no one has reported a USB to Serial converter to 
      work with the XDP-4kX (it was speculated it was because of the lack of 
      having a hardware interrupt I think...).  Anyway, the key here is probably 
      the USB-->Serial converter you are using!  Please share what brand and model 
      of converter you are using--I'm sure it would help out a lot of ppl!
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
Date: 
Jan 07, 2004
      
      
      This specific convertor I have is an Iogear Model GUC232A. Again,
      installation was a bit sketchy, the software manual gave no guarantees with
      windows XP, but I did in the end get it to work.
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
      
      
      >
      
      > >
      > >A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting
      the
      > >USB port to an RS232 serial port.  I was a bit skeptical at the time as
      to
      > >whether or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and
      > >learned that a serial port isn't an option on computers anymore.  I was
      > >forced to try the USB-Serial convertor, and even though there was some
      > >minor installation problems with XP it did end up working, which is great
      > >news for us planning on using our 4000x's down the road!  Just thought
      some
      > >of you would like to know, I don't remember anyone else saying they'd
      > >successfully made the connection using a convertor before.
      >
      > Yes this is correct AFAIK--no one has reported a USB to Serial converter
      to
      > work with the XDP-4kX (it was speculated it was because of the lack of
      > having a hardware interrupt I think...).  Anyway, the key here is probably
      > the USB-->Serial converter you are using!  Please share what brand and
      model
      > of converter you are using--I'm sure it would help out a lot of ppl!
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
      
      
      what issues did you run into and what was the work around??
      
      "Bobby Braun" 
      
      This specific convertor I have is an Iogear Model GUC232A. Again,
      installation was a bit sketchy, the software manual gave no guarantees with
      windows XP, but I did in the end get it to work.
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" 
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
      
      
      >
      
      > >
      > >A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting
      the
      > >USB port to an RS232 serial port. I was a bit skeptical at the time as
      to
      > >whether or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and
      > >learned that a serial port isn't an option on computers anymore. I was
      > >forced to try the USB-Serial convertor, and even though there was some
      > >minor installation problems with XP it did end up working, which is great
      > >news for us planning on using our 4000x's down the road! Just thought
      some
      > >of you would like to know, I don't remember anyone else saying they'd
      > >successfully made the connection using a convertor before.
      >
      > Yes this is correct AFAIK--no one has reported a USB to Serial converter
      to
      > work with the XDP-4kX (it was speculated it was because of the lack of
      > having a hardware interrupt I think...). Anyway, the key here is probably
      > the USB-->Serial converter you are using! Please share what brand and
      model
      > of converter you are using--I'm sure it would help out a lot of ppl!
      >
      >
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Sony Product Press release 
      
      
      HEARING IS BELIEVING:SONY'S NEW XPLOD LINE OF HEAD UNITS BRING LIFE AND EXCITEMENT
      BACK TO CAR AUDIO 
      
      
      LAS VEGAS (CES, Booth #N110), Jan. 7, 2004 - A longtime leader in car audio, Sony
      Electronics is set to revitalize the mobile electronics industry with its 2004
      line of Xplod head units featuring new technology and enhanced styling. 
      
      
      "People want to take their music and video wherever they spend their time, and
      for a lot them, that's in their cars," said Bill Lee, general manager for mobile
      electronics at Sony Electronics. "From MP3, XM satellite radio and CD-R compatibility
      to video input playback, we'll be bringing customized entertainment
      to the car. Not only are the head units easy to use, they employ the latest technology
      and offer the `cool' factor that our customers demand." 
      
      
      Customized Designs 
      
      
      The new head units share a similar design, but can be customized to reflect individual
      tastes. With unexpected extras like multi-color displays and video playback,
      Sony has a head unit for every car enthusiast. The new CDX-R3000 model
      for example incorporates a new retractable faceplate mechanism called "Motion
      Blade", which provides a convenient means to eject CDs and protects the player
      from airborne contaminants. The CDX-R3000 model is shipping in January for about
      $140. 
      
      
      The CDX-F7000 model brings sophistication to the dashboard with an aluminum faceplate
      and high-quality fluorescent display that features full-motion animation,
      for about $250. Drivers looking for enhanced customization can opt for the
      CDX-M9900 CD receiver, which facilitates external source video playback on its
      TFT display. Plus, it provides the ability to capture up to 100 still images
      from the video input as "screen-savers." This model will be available in March
      for about $650. 
      
      
      Beneath the Surface 
      
      
      For great quality music in the car, all 2004 Sony CD head units include a new CD
      playback mechanism and power chip called "DRIVE-S". The key benefit of DRIVE-S
      is improved sound quality, as evidenced by its industry-leading 120 dB signal-to-noise
      ratio. In addition, most new models feature a built-in subwoofer crossover
      and level control that offer flexibility to build an even better system.
      
      
      Sony continues to broaden enhancements in its car stereo systems, such as MP3 playback
      capability. In addition, all Sony head units are CD-R/RW compatible, and
      most are XM-Satellite ready. 
      
      
      The 2004 line also signifies the return of some features to enhance ease-of-use,
      while also introducing an innovative design. For instance, the 7000 series offers
      a large audio control knob, making the unit more intuitive to operate. Most
      units also include a wireless remote control for more convenient operation.
      
      
      Appealing to the aesthetics of a more discriminating Xplod enthusiast, Sony has
      developed an Xplod Specialty series of head units that incorporate a provocative
      blue highlight color in the face of the CDX-F7005X and CDX-F7705X models.
      They will be available in February for about $260 and $290 respectively. 
      
      
      Availability and Pricing 
      
      
      Model # 
      
      
      Description 
      
      
      Additional Features 
      
      
      Estimated Pricing 
      
      
      Availability 
      
      
      CDX-S2000 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 high power, detachable faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED display, gun-metallic
      finish, EQ3, optional remote 
      
      
      $119 
      
      
      January 
      
      
      CDX-R3000 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 high power, EQ3, detachable faceplate, white 13-seg LED display, optional
      remote, selectable subwoofer preamp output, new "MOTION BLADE" retractable
      faceplate 
      
      
      $139 
      
      
      January 
      
      
      CDX-F5000 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 high power, CD/MD changer control, XM ready, DSO, EQ3, selectable subwoofer
      preamp output, flip-down detachable faceplate,white 13-seg LED display, wireless
      card remote included 
      
      
      $159 
      
      
      January 
      
      
      CDX-F5005X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 high power, CD/MD changer control, XM ready, DSO; EQ3, selectable subwoofer
      preamp output, flip-down detachable faceplate, white 13-seg LED display,
      wireless card remote included 
      
      
      $169 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-F5500 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, DSO; EQ3, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM Ready, Dual
      Preamp Outputs (Rear Sub Selectable), Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Blue
      13-seg LED Display, Wireless Card Remote included 
      
      
      $179 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-R3300 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, EQ3, Detachable faceplate, White 13-seg LED display,
      Optional remote, Selectable Subwoofer Preamp Output, New "Motion Blade",
      Retractable Faceplate 
      
      
      $169 
      
      
      January 
      
      
      CDX-F5505X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, DSO, EQ3, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM Ready, Dual
      Preamp Outputs (Rear Sub Selectable), Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Blue
      13-seg LED Display, Wireless Card Remote included 
      
      
      $189 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-F5700 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM
      Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate,13-seg
      7 color LED Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card Remote included
      
      
      $199 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-F5705X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM
      Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate,13-seg
      7 color LED Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card Remote included
      
      
      $209 
      
      
      March 
      
      
      CDX-F7000 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp
      output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum Faceplate Finish,
      Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card Remote included
      
      
      $249 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-F7005X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp
      output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum Faceplate Finish,
      Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card Remote included
      
      
      $259 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-F7700 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM
      Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate,
      Aluminum Faceplate Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input,
      Wireless Card Remote included 
      
      
      $279 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-F7705X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3 Playback, BBE MP (Minimized Polynomial Non-Linear
      Compression), DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub
      Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum Faceplate
      Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card
      Remote included 
      
      
      $289 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-M8800 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM
      Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output with HPF/LPF, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input,
      Fixed Active Black Panel design, FL ABP Display, Wireless Card Remote included
      
      
      $349 
      
      
      February 
      
      
      CDX-M8805X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM
      Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output with HPF/LPF, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input,
      Fixed Active Black Panel design, FL ABP Display, Wireless Card Remote included
      
      
      $359 
      
      
      March 
      
      
      CDX-M9900 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      32,000 Color TFT Display, 52Wx4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, CD/MD Control;
      CD Text; XM Ready, DSO; EQ7, 4-volt F/R/S Preamp Outputs w/HPF/LPF, Wireless
      Card Remote included, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary, InputVideo Capture Function (Up to
      100 Images), Video Input for External Source Playback 
      
      
      $649 
      
      
      March 
      
      
      CDX-M9905X 
      
      
      Specialty Series 
      
      
      CD Receiver 
      
      
      32,000 Color TFT Display, 52Wx4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, CD/MD Control;
      CD Text; XM Ready, DSO; EQ7, 4-volt F/R/S Preamp Outputs w/HPF/LPF, Wireless
      Card Remote included, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary, InputVideo Capture Function (Up to
      100 Images), Video Input for External Source Playback 
      
      
      $659 
      
      
      March 
      
      
      ### 
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
From: 
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 
Re: Sony Product Press release 
      
      
      Yeah, cool, but where's the good stuff?  (smirk)
      
      Matt
      
      PS- Thanks for the info Scott.
      
      
      At 07:28 AM 1/8/2004 Thursday, you wrote:
      >
      >
      >HEARING IS BELIEVING:SONY'S NEW XPLOD LINE OF HEAD UNITS BRING LIFE AND 
      >EXCITEMENT BACK TO CAR AUDIO
      >
      >
      >LAS VEGAS (CES, Booth #N110), Jan. 7, 2004 - A longtime leader in car 
      >audio, Sony Electronics is set to revitalize the mobile electronics 
      >industry with its 2004 line of Xplod head units featuring new technology 
      >and enhanced styling.
      >
      >
      >"People want to take their music and video wherever they spend their time, 
      >and for a lot them, that's in their cars," said Bill Lee, general manager 
      >for mobile electronics at Sony Electronics. "From MP3, XM satellite radio 
      >and CD-R compatibility to video input playback, we'll be bringing 
      >customized entertainment to the car. Not only are the head units easy to 
      >use, they employ the latest technology and offer the `cool' factor that 
      >our customers demand."
      >
      >
      >Customized Designs
      >
      >
      >The new head units share a similar design, but can be customized to 
      >reflect individual tastes. With unexpected extras like multi-color 
      >displays and video playback, Sony has a head unit for every car 
      >enthusiast. The new CDX-R3000 model for example incorporates a new 
      >retractable faceplate mechanism called "Motion Blade", which provides a 
      >convenient means to eject CDs and protects the player from airborne 
      >contaminants. The CDX-R3000 model is shipping in January for about $140.
      >
      >
      >The CDX-F7000 model brings sophistication to the dashboard with an 
      >aluminum faceplate and high-quality fluorescent display that features 
      >full-motion animation, for about $250. Drivers looking for enhanced 
      >customization can opt for the CDX-M9900 CD receiver, which facilitates 
      >external source video playback on its TFT display. Plus, it provides the 
      >ability to capture up to 100 still images from the video input as 
      >"screen-savers." This model will be available in March for about $650.
      >
      >
      >Beneath the Surface
      >
      >
      >For great quality music in the car, all 2004 Sony CD head units include a 
      >new CD playback mechanism and power chip called "DRIVE-S". The key benefit 
      >of DRIVE-S is improved sound quality, as evidenced by its industry-leading 
      >120 dB signal-to-noise ratio. In addition, most new models feature a 
      >built-in subwoofer crossover and level control that offer flexibility to 
      >build an even better system.
      >
      >
      >Sony continues to broaden enhancements in its car stereo systems, such as 
      >MP3 playback capability. In addition, all Sony head units are CD-R/RW 
      >compatible, and most are XM-Satellite ready.
      >
      >
      >The 2004 line also signifies the return of some features to enhance 
      >ease-of-use, while also introducing an innovative design. For instance, 
      >the 7000 series offers a large audio control knob, making the unit more 
      >intuitive to operate. Most units also include a wireless remote control 
      >for more convenient operation.
      >
      >
      >Appealing to the aesthetics of a more discriminating Xplod enthusiast, 
      >Sony has developed an Xplod Specialty series of head units that 
      >incorporate a provocative blue highlight color in the face of the 
      >CDX-F7005X and CDX-F7705X models. They will be available in February for 
      >about $260 and $290 respectively.
      >
      >
      >Availability and Pricing
      >
      >
      >Model #
      >
      >
      >Description
      >
      >
      >Additional Features
      >
      >
      >Estimated Pricing
      >
      >
      >Availability
      >
      >
      >CDX-S2000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, detachable faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED display, 
      >gun-metallic finish, EQ3, optional remote
      >
      >
      >$119
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-R3000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, EQ3, detachable faceplate, white 13-seg LED display, 
      >optional remote, selectable subwoofer preamp output, new "MOTION BLADE" 
      >retractable faceplate
      >
      >
      >$139
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, CD/MD changer control, XM ready, DSO, EQ3, selectable 
      >subwoofer preamp output, flip-down detachable faceplate,white 13-seg LED 
      >display, wireless card remote included
      >
      >
      >$159
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5005X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, CD/MD changer control, XM ready, DSO; EQ3, selectable 
      >subwoofer preamp output, flip-down detachable faceplate, white 13-seg LED 
      >display, wireless card remote included
      >
      >
      >$169
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5500
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, DSO; EQ3, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM 
      >Ready, Dual Preamp Outputs (Rear Sub Selectable), Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED Display, Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$179
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-R3300
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, EQ3, Detachable faceplate, White 13-seg 
      >LED display, Optional remote, Selectable Subwoofer Preamp Output, New 
      >"Motion Blade", Retractable Faceplate
      >
      >
      >$169
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5505X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, DSO, EQ3, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM 
      >Ready, Dual Preamp Outputs (Rear Sub Selectable), Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED Display, Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$189
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5700
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD 
      >Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate,13-seg 7 color LED Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless 
      >Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$199
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5705X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD 
      >Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate,13-seg 7 color LED Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless 
      >Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$209
      >
      >
      >March
      >
      >
      >CDX-F7000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub 
      >Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum 
      >Faceplate Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, 
      >Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$249
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F7005X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub 
      >Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum 
      >Faceplate Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, 
      >Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$259
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F7700
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD 
      >Text, XM Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down 
      >Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum Faceplate Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, 
      >"Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$279
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F7705X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3 Playback, BBE MP (Minimized 
      >Polynomial Non-Linear Compression), DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD Text, XM 
      >Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate, Aluminum Faceplate Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, "Aux Lite" 
      >Auxiliary Input, Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$289
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-M8800
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control; CD 
      >Text, XM Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output with HPF/LPF, "Aux Lite" 
      >Auxiliary Input, Fixed Active Black Panel design, FL ABP Display, Wireless 
      >Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$349
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-M8805X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control; CD 
      >Text, XM Ready, 4-Volt F/R/Sub Preamp output with HPF/LPF, "Aux Lite" 
      >Auxiliary Input, Fixed Active Black Panel design, FL ABP Display, Wireless 
      >Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$359
      >
      >
      >March
      >
      >
      >CDX-M9900
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >32,000 Color TFT Display, 52Wx4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, CD/MD 
      >Control; CD Text; XM Ready, DSO; EQ7, 4-volt F/R/S Preamp Outputs 
      >w/HPF/LPF, Wireless Card Remote included, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary, InputVideo 
      >Capture Function (Up to 100 Images), Video Input for External Source Playback
      >
      >
      >$649
      >
      >
      >March
      >
      >
      >CDX-M9905X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >32,000 Color TFT Display, 52Wx4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, CD/MD 
      >Control; CD Text; XM Ready, DSO; EQ7, 4-volt F/R/S Preamp Outputs 
      >w/HPF/LPF, Wireless Card Remote included, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary, InputVideo 
      >Capture Function (Up to 100 Images), Video Input for External Source Playback
      >
      >
      >$659
      >
      >
      >March
      >
      >
      >###
      >
      >
      >---------------------------------
      
      
      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: Sony Product Press release 
      
      
      I dont know they have some products that are avail in japan that make what they
      just announce look like crap
      
      
      Matt Dralle  wrote:
      
      Yeah, cool, but where's the good stuff? (smirk)
      
      Matt
      
      PS- Thanks for the info Scott.
      
      
      At 07:28 AM 1/8/2004 Thursday, you wrote:
      >
      >
      >HEARING IS BELIEVING:SONY'S NEW XPLOD LINE OF HEAD UNITS BRING LIFE AND 
      >EXCITEMENT BACK TO CAR AUDIO
      >
      >
      >LAS VEGAS (CES, Booth #N110), Jan. 7, 2004 - A longtime leader in car 
      >audio, Sony Electronics is set to revitalize the mobile electronics 
      >industry with its 2004 line of Xplod head units featuring new technology 
      >and enhanced styling.
      >
      >
      >"People want to take their music and video wherever they spend their time, 
      >and for a lot them, that's in their cars," said Bill Lee, general manager 
      >for mobile electronics at Sony Electronics. "From MP3, XM satellite radio 
      >and CD-R compatibility to video input playback, we'll be bringing 
      >customized entertainment to the car. Not only are the head units easy to 
      >use, they employ the latest technology and offer the `cool' factor that 
      >our customers demand."
      >
      >
      >Customized Designs
      >
      >
      >The new head units share a similar design, but can be customized to 
      >reflect individual tastes. With unexpected extras like multi-color 
      >displays and video playback, Sony has a head unit for every car 
      >enthusiast. The new CDX-R3000 model for example incorporates a new 
      >retractable faceplate mechanism called "Motion Blade", which provides a 
      >convenient means to eject CDs and protects the player from airborne 
      >contaminants. The CDX-R3000 model is shipping in January for about $140.
      >
      >
      >The CDX-F7000 model brings sophistication to the dashboard with an 
      >aluminum faceplate and high-quality fluorescent display that features 
      >full-motion animation, for about $250. Drivers looking for enhanced 
      >customization can opt for the CDX-M9900 CD receiver, which facilitates 
      >external source video playback on its TFT display. Plus, it provides the 
      >ability to capture up to 100 still images from the video input as 
      >"screen-savers." This model will be available in March for about $650.
      >
      >
      >Beneath the Surface
      >
      >
      >For great quality music in the car, all 2004 Sony CD head units include a 
      >new CD playback mechanism and power chip called "DRIVE-S". The key benefit 
      >of DRIVE-S is improved sound quality, as evidenced by its industry-leading 
      >120 dB signal-to-noise ratio. In addition, most new models feature a 
      >built-in subwoofer crossover and level control that offer flexibility to 
      >build an even better system.
      >
      >
      >Sony continues to broaden enhancements in its car stereo systems, such as 
      >MP3 playback capability. In addition, all Sony head units are CD-R/RW 
      >compatible, and most are XM-Satellite ready.
      >
      >
      >The 2004 line also signifies the return of some features to enhance 
      >ease-of-use, while also introducing an innovative design. For instance, 
      >the 7000 series offers a large audio control knob, making the unit more 
      >intuitive to operate. Most units also include a wireless remote control 
      >for more convenient operation.
      >
      >
      >Appealing to the aesthetics of a more discriminating Xplod enthusiast, 
      >Sony has developed an Xplod Specialty series of head units that 
      >incorporate a provocative blue highlight color in the face of the 
      >CDX-F7005X and CDX-F7705X models. They will be available in February for 
      >about $260 and $290 respectively.
      >
      >
      >Availability and Pricing
      >
      >
      >Model #
      >
      >
      >Description
      >
      >
      >Additional Features
      >
      >
      >Estimated Pricing
      >
      >
      >Availability
      >
      >
      >CDX-S2000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, detachable faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED display, 
      >gun-metallic finish, EQ3, optional remote
      >
      >
      >$119
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-R3000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, EQ3, detachable faceplate, white 13-seg LED display, 
      >optional remote, selectable subwoofer preamp output, new "MOTION BLADE" 
      >retractable faceplate
      >
      >
      >$139
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5000
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, CD/MD changer control, XM ready, DSO, EQ3, selectable 
      >subwoofer preamp output, flip-down detachable faceplate,white 13-seg LED 
      >display, wireless card remote included
      >
      >
      >$159
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5005X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 high power, CD/MD changer control, XM ready, DSO; EQ3, selectable 
      >subwoofer preamp output, flip-down detachable faceplate, white 13-seg LED 
      >display, wireless card remote included
      >
      >
      >$169
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5500
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, DSO; EQ3, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM 
      >Ready, Dual Preamp Outputs (Rear Sub Selectable), Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED Display, Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$179
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-R3300
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, EQ3, Detachable faceplate, White 13-seg 
      >LED display, Optional remote, Selectable Subwoofer Preamp Output, New 
      >"Motion Blade", Retractable Faceplate
      >
      >
      >$169
      >
      >
      >January
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5505X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, DSO, EQ3, CD/MD Control; CD Text, XM 
      >Ready, Dual Preamp Outputs (Rear Sub Selectable), Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate, Blue 13-seg LED Display, Wireless Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$189
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5700
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO, EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD 
      >Text, XM Ready, F/R/Sub Preamp output w/HPF & LPF, Flip-down Detachable 
      >Faceplate,13-seg 7 color LED Display, "Aux Lite" Auxiliary Input, Wireless 
      >Card Remote included
      >
      >
      >$199
      >
      >
      >February
      >
      >
      >CDX-F5705X
      >
      >
      >Specialty Series
      >
      >
      >CD Receiver
      >
      >
      >52W x 4 High Power, MP3 Playback, BBE MP, DSO; EQ7, CD/MD Control, CD 
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      >
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      >
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      >
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      >Detachable Faceplate, Aluminum Faceplate Finish, Full-Motion FL Display, 
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      >Control; CD Text; XM Ready, DSO; EQ7, 4-volt F/R/S Preamp Outputs 
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Anyone a fan of the Clarion DRX9255?
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
      
      
      If anyone is a fan of the Clarion DRX9255, let me introduce you to the new and
      improved DRZ9255!!!
      
      http://www.clarion.com/usa/product/index.php?mod=detailscategory=sourceproduct=DRZ9255#
      
      Me want. :)
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
      
      
      Nothing major, I bypassed the standard installation software, and did the
      install directly from the add new hardware option in the control panel,
      choosing the device myself by selecting the .inf file located under the Win
      2000 folder on the cd that came with the device, from that point on XP
      warned that this software was not certified to run under Windows XP and that
      there may be issued, but after that point everything worked flawlessly.
      Pretty simple for me, however other computers running different software or
      hardware may run into different issues.  Good luck all!
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Scott Thibault" <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
      
      
      >
      > what issues did you run into and what was the work around??
      >
      > Bobby Braun  wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message
      posted by: "Bobby Braun"
      >
      > This specific convertor I have is an Iogear Model GUC232A. Again,
      > installation was a bit sketchy, the software manual gave no guarantees
      with
      > windows XP, but I did in the end get it to work.
      >
      > Bobby
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Roland M"
      > To:
      > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x
      >
      >
      > >
      >
      > > >
      > > >A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting
      > the
      > > >USB port to an RS232 serial port. I was a bit skeptical at the time as
      > to
      > > >whether or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and
      > > >learned that a serial port isn't an option on computers anymore. I was
      > > >forced to try the USB-Serial convertor, and even though there was some
      > > >minor installation problems with XP it did end up working, which is
      great
      > > >news for us planning on using our 4000x's down the road! Just thought
      > some
      > > >of you would like to know, I don't remember anyone else saying they'd
      > > >successfully made the connection using a convertor before.
      > >
      > > Yes this is correct AFAIK--no one has reported a USB to Serial converter
      > to
      > > work with the XDP-4kX (it was speculated it was because of the lack of
      > > having a hardware interrupt I think...). Anyway, the key here is
      probably
      > > the USB-->Serial converter you are using! Please share what brand and
      > model
      > > of converter you are using--I'm sure it would help out a lot of ppl!
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      > ---------------------------------
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Subject: 
Some items for sale
      
      
      I have 3 CDX-805 changers
      an XDP-U50D, XR-C900, also a 766EQ, and some other misc. stuff......  most of which
      was a friends who went to a clarion in dash DVD..  Anyone interested before
      eBay??  
      
      Dan
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 08, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: Some items for sale
      
      
      what is the other stuff
      
      
      I have 3 CDX-805 changers
      an XDP-U50D, XR-C900, also a 766EQ, and some other misc. stuff...... most of which
      was a friends who went to a clarion in dash DVD.. Anyone interested before
      eBay?? 
      
      Dan
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      I currently use an OLD OLD XR-U700 hu with an equally old XDP-U50D
      (You guys  are the ONLY ones who still remember these. Also had an old U404 
      CD
      changer,  but my dad finally broke the RCA connection part. Maybe i'll fix 
      that up)
      
      Finally, an upgrade after 8 years... I'm about to receive a second
      hand C90  and a XDP-210EQ soon, and I would very much like to run the 
      signals
      using  the toslink cable. (reduce possible RCA noise interference)
      
      However, when i browsed some Q&A here, (actually, i looked at ALL the ones 
      that were posted herer)  some say they use the XAD210, while the websites 
      are telling me to get the XAD211. What are the diff between the  two?
      
      Also, what would be the ideal thickness of the optical cable that I should 
      use? So far, I can find either a 5mm, and up to 7.5mm.
      
      
      Hmmm, that guy selling his 4000x for $300 shipped, he still have it?
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: Sony Product Press release
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >I dont know they have some products that are avail in japan that make what 
      >they
      just announce look like crap
      
      
      Well, I am in Seoul, Korea, closer to Japan than most of you guys here on 
      the board. Sony's local market stuff is pretty much the same, if you exclude 
      the navigation series.
      
      And yeah, they still sell the C90 and XDP-210EQ through their website. Brand 
      new.
      
      And no, no 4000x :(
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Sony Product Press release
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony Product Press release Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 
      >
      >
      >HEARING IS BELIEVING:SONY'S NEW XPLOD LINE OF HEAD UNITS BRING LIFE AND 
      >EXCITEMENT BACK TO CAR AUDIO
      >
      >
      >LAS VEGAS (CES, Booth #N110), Jan. 7, 2004 - A longtime leader in car 
      >audio, Sony Electronics is set to revitalize the mobile electronics 
      >industry with its 2004 line of Xplod head units featuring new technology 
      >and enhanced styling.
      >
      >
      
      Thanks for the info Scott! But do you have the link (URL) available for this 
      press release?  The reason I ask is b/c I'd like to see the pics (if there 
      are any).  Are there any pics to go with this?
      
      Nice that they are coming out with some new stuff that SOUNDS a bit 
      promising.  I mean nothing major, but at least an improvement over older 
      Xplod stuff--they seem to be improving each year which is at least something 
      good if not great.  This S-Drive thing--120dB S/N???  Wow--sounds pretty 
      optimistic but I'm sure it has to do something good right?
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
From: 
DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such...
      
      
      Hey,
      
      Don't use the XDP-210EQ...either stick with the XDP-U50 or the XDP-4000...
      
      The 210 is a dirty piece, IMHO.  I've had my experiences with it, as the 
      unit works
      out well, but when the volume is turned up, there's an inherent "hiss" 
      in the background.
      
      I took it up with sony of canada, and showed their techs on their test 
      bench. 
      They concurred.  In the end, they bought it back from me, as they could not
      repair the hiss.  Design fault. :-P
      
      Just an FYI...
      
      D
      
      One Park wrote:
      
      >
      >I currently use an OLD OLD XR-U700 hu with an equally old XDP-U50D
      >(You guys  are the ONLY ones who still remember these. Also had an old U404 
      >CD
      >changer,  but my dad finally broke the RCA connection part. Maybe i'll fix 
      >that up)
      >
      >Finally, an upgrade after 8 years... I'm about to receive a second
      >hand C90  and a XDP-210EQ soon, and I would very much like to run the 
      >signals
      >using  the toslink cable. (reduce possible RCA noise interference)
      >
      >However, when i browsed some Q&A here, (actually, i looked at ALL the ones 
      >that were posted herer)  some say they use the XAD210, while the websites 
      >are telling me to get the XAD211. What are the diff between the  two?
      >
      >Also, what would be the ideal thickness of the optical cable that I should 
      >use? So far, I can find either a 5mm, and up to 7.5mm.
      >
      >
      >Hmmm, that guy selling his 4000x for $300 shipped, he still have it?
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such... 
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      **************QUOTE************************
      
      
      "Subject:      Re: c90 and such...
      From:      DB (dbotel6500(at)rogers.com)
      Date:      Fri Jan 09 - 6:01 AM
      
      
      Hey,
      
      Don't use the XDP-210EQ...either stick with the XDP-U50 or the XDP-4000...
      
      The 210 is a dirty piece, IMHO.  I've had my experiences with it, as the
      unit works
      out well, but when the volume is turned up, there's an inherent "hiss"
      in the background.
      
      I took it up with sony of canada, and showed their techs on their test
      bench.
      They concurred.  In the end, they bought it back from me, as they could not
      repair the hiss.  Design fault. :-P
      
      Just an FYI...
      
      D
      
      ********UNQUOTE*************
      
      SOrry I had to reply this way, cause I don't think my subscription has been 
      approved as yet.
      
      Ok, I DID read about that hiss, but the music would pretty much make that 
      sound go away.. I'm not competing in any SQ event (rather leaning more 
      towards SPL).
      
      My U50D seems...inadequate. Although I don't compete, I do like good 
      imaging. That being said, I find that certain frequencies aren't being 
      produced as well as the others. This is why I figure the EQ ability of the 
      210 might give me some help. (Who knows? If someone offers a good deal on a 
      mint condition 4000x, i'll be changing it).
      
      so two questions now..
      1. what is teh diff between the XAD210 and the SAD211?
      2. what is  the preout voltage of the U50D as well as the 210EQ?
      
      thanks guys~
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such... 
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      There is no difference between the xad210 and xad211, just model number, as
      for the output voltage of the 210eq, it's the same as the c90, 4volt, I
      cannot say what it is for the u50d.
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: Re: c90 and such...
      
      
      >
      > **************QUOTE************************
      >
      >
      > "Subject:      Re: c90 and such...
      > From:      DB (dbotel6500(at)rogers.com)
      > Date:      Fri Jan 09 - 6:01 AM
      >
      >
      > Hey,
      >
      > Don't use the XDP-210EQ...either stick with the XDP-U50 or the XDP-4000...
      >
      > The 210 is a dirty piece, IMHO.  I've had my experiences with it, as the
      > unit works
      > out well, but when the volume is turned up, there's an inherent "hiss"
      > in the background.
      >
      > I took it up with sony of canada, and showed their techs on their test
      > bench.
      > They concurred.  In the end, they bought it back from me, as they could
      not
      > repair the hiss.  Design fault. :-P
      >
      > Just an FYI...
      >
      > D
      >
      > ********UNQUOTE*************
      >
      > SOrry I had to reply this way, cause I don't think my subscription has
      been
      > approved as yet.
      >
      > Ok, I DID read about that hiss, but the music would pretty much make that
      > sound go away.. I'm not competing in any SQ event (rather leaning more
      > towards SPL).
      >
      > My U50D seems...inadequate. Although I don't compete, I do like good
      > imaging. That being said, I find that certain frequencies aren't being
      > produced as well as the others. This is why I figure the EQ ability of the
      > 210 might give me some help. (Who knows? If someone offers a good deal on
      a
      > mint condition 4000x, i'll be changing it).
      >
      > so two questions now..
      > 1. what is teh diff between the XAD210 and the SAD211?
      > 2. what is  the preout voltage of the U50D as well as the 210EQ?
      >
      > thanks guys~
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >
      >Finally, an upgrade after 8 years... I'm about to receive a second
      >hand C90  and a XDP-210EQ soon, and I would very much like to run the
      >signals
      >using  the toslink cable. (reduce possible RCA noise interference)
      >
      >However, when i browsed some Q&A here, (actually, i looked at ALL the ones
      >that were posted herer)  some say they use the XAD210, while the websites
      >are telling me to get the XAD211. What are the diff between the  two?
      >
      >Also, what would be the ideal thickness of the optical cable that I should
      >use? So far, I can find either a 5mm, and up to 7.5mm.
      >
      >
      >Hmmm, that guy selling his 4000x for $300 shipped, he still have it?
      >
      >
      
      The 210EQ is not that bad.  Bobby's right about the hiss problem but still, 
      it isn't really a big deal--you can even eliminate it if you set your amps' 
      gain controls up so that you max the volume before the hiss "kicks in" 
      (which it literally does, like an "on/off" switch!).  Then just put a mark 
      or remember the max volume on the HU before the hiss and you're all set.
      
      The 210EQ is definitely a better processor than the U50D.  It has better 
      D/As (and A/D) than the U50D and is an EQ rather than a soundfield processor 
      (unless you rather have the surround modes that is).  The one small 
      disadvantage of the 210EQ (and even the 4000X for that matter) v. the U50D 
      is the fact that the U50D has a BUILT-IN capability for 2 changers, without 
      an MCA (Multi-Changer Adapter).  For more than 2 changers, an MCA is 
      required with the U50D.  The other two require an MCA for anything more than 
      one changer.
      
      The 210EQ has a rated output voltage of 4V across the board.  The U50D I 
      *think* was the same but it might have been only 4V on the F/R outputs (I'm 
      not certain really).
      
      Having said all that you should realise, however that the D/As in the 210EQ 
      and the U50D are inferior to those that are already in the C90, they are 
      still quite competent but the C90 does have better D/As.  There is a 
      difference in that the 210EQ has a D/A per output PAIR while the C90 has a 
      PAIR of D/A one for Left, one for Right channels.  The outputs F/R/Sub are 
      all then run after the D/A.  This means any crossover is done in the digital 
      domain on a 210EQ or U50D while it would be done in the analog domain on the 
      C90 alone.
      
      The 4000X is really the match for the C90--often times people will actually 
      say it is better to use the C90 alone rather than use the C90 with the 210EQ 
      or U50D.
      
      As for the D210 and D211 adapters, the D211 is just the newer "revision" of 
      the adapter.  Sony changed *something*--likely to make it more reliable as 
      most revisions do; but functionally they are identical.  Either one will fit 
      the bill for any given application that calls for either of them.
      
      Roland M.
      
      Expand your wine savvy  and get some great new recipes  at MSN Wine. 
      http://wine.msn.com
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >From: DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: c90 and such...
      >Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:00:52 -0500
      >
      >
      >Hey,
      >
      >Don't use the XDP-210EQ...either stick with the XDP-U50 or the XDP-4000...
      >
      >The 210 is a dirty piece, IMHO.  I've had my experiences with it, as the
      >unit works
      >out well, but when the volume is turned up, there's an inherent "hiss"
      >in the background.
      >
      >I took it up with sony of canada, and showed their techs on their test
      >bench.
      >They concurred.  In the end, they bought it back from me, as they could not
      >repair the hiss.  Design fault. :-P
      >
      >Just an FYI...
      >
      >D
      >
      
      Oops, sorry I thought it was Bobby that commented about the hiss from the 
      210EQ (what I said in my last post); looks like it was "D" (Dan?) above 
      though...
      
      Roland M.
      
      Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed 
      providers now.  https://broadband.msn.com
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >
      >
      >Also, what would be the ideal thickness of the optical cable that I should
      >use? So far, I can find either a 5mm, and up to 7.5mm.
      >
      
      Oh, as for the optical cable, the difference in the 5mm and 7.5mm ones is 
      simply the *jacket*.  The actual optical fibre inside the cable is always 
      the same diameter and is part of the Toslink standard.  The difference is 
      mainly in the protection of the cable.  A thicker jacket = more protection 
      so it will stand up better in harsher environments.  The car is indeed one 
      of these environments so it would be better to use the thicker jacket cable.
      
      Also the thicker cable will prevent (to some degree) over bending/flexing of 
      the cable which would otherwise permanently damage it.
      
      You may also want to look for other "new" Toslink features such as the 
      non-directional "round" end cables.  These cables don't have the dumb square 
      plug on the end which requires insertion in only one way--instead they fit 
      the standard square Toslink connection in any way making for an easier 
      install.  (NOTE: The "round" standard end cables are NOT the same as the 
      Toslink miniplug connection which is a smaller, minijack connection).
      
      Also if you can afford it, a glass-core optical cable is technically best. 
      Though one of these would cost a lot more than a "regular" Toslink cable, 
      AND it would be more fragile as well.  Really you should be fine to stick 
      with a "regular" cable with a nice jacket.
      
      Roland M.
      
      Expand your wine savvy  and get some great new recipes  at MSN Wine. 
      http://wine.msn.com
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >
      >Hey Guys,
      >
      >I was wondering if anyone knew why the Toslink inputs on the Sony XDP-4000x
      >are hard set at a 480000 sample rate?  It will not auto-sync at any other
      >sample rate such as the common CD rate of 44.1k.  This means that all of
      >the Sony Changers and head unit CD outputs have to be up converted from the
      >native 44.1k sample rate to the 48k required by the 4k.  This just doesn't
      >make any sense to me from a performance or quality standpoint.  It would
      >keep 4k owners from just hooking up any generic cd changer to the unit, but
      >that seems a little subversive.
      >
      >Any thoughts or information on this would be most appreciated.
      >
      >Matt Dralle
      >
      >
      
      Are you certain of that Matt?  That would also mean that the sampling rates 
      coming out of the C90, C910, MDX-400, and all CD changers with an optical 
      output would ALL be throwing 48kHz through their outputs.  And that would 
      also mean both the 210EQ and U50D also use 48kHz sampling.
      
      This is non-optimal indeed!  I know that I once used the optical out from my 
      CDX-828 to record to a portable MD player (by simply removing the optical 
      cable and plugging it another optical into the MD unit) but of course the 
      portable MD had a built-in sampling rate converter so I'd never have known 
      it was 48kHz or not.  This certainly seems odd...  I think I should try 
      hooking some of this equipment up in my house (I have a spare MDX-400 I can 
      use for starters) to my receiver and since it displays the word lenth, 
      sampling frequency and bit length I can see if that is the case without a 
      4000X connected.  (Perhaps the changers, etc. can be "commanded" to output 
      either 44.1kHz or 48kHz?)
      
      I'm assuming you have done something similar already to verify this 48k 
      sampling frequency yourself then eh?
      
      The CS D/As in the 4000X are certainly capable of multiple sampling rates so 
      I wonder why they wouldn't allow them to be used?  I'm guessing you've also 
      tried inputting other sampling rates such as 44.1kHz or 32kHz without 
      success?
      
      This is certainly quite the revelation!  48kHz?  Why on earth???
      
      Roland M.
      
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From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
      
      
      >The 210EQ is not that bad.  Bobby's right about the hiss problem but still,
      >it isn't really a big deal--you can even eliminate it if you set your amps'
      >gain controls up so that you max the volume before the hiss "kicks in"
      >(which it literally does, like an "on/off" switch!).  Then just put a mark
      >or remember the max volume on the HU before the hiss and you're all set.
      
      
      Hmmm, then again, the C90's manual says it's got a digital volume 
      mumbo-jumbo, and so I shuldn't set the gains too high. I'llmake a few 
      adjustments and see what I like. But again, I'm convined that I won't be 
      able to hear the hiss with the music playing at such volumes. :)
      
      
      >The 210EQ is definitely a better processor than the U50D.  It has better
      >D/As (and A/D) than the U50D and is an EQ rather than a soundfield 
      >processor
      >(unless you rather have the surround modes that is).  The one small
      >disadvantage of the 210EQ (and even the 4000X for that matter) v. the U50D
      >is the fact that the U50D has a BUILT-IN capability for 2 changers, without
      >an MCA (Multi-Changer Adapter).  For more than 2 changers, an MCA is
      >required with the U50D.  The other two require an MCA for anything more 
      >than
      >one changer.
      
      Nah, only planning to use one. Currently using the 757MX, gives me mp3 
      capabilities on any sony, so I can't complain. If anything, though, them 
      757MX changers skip like crazy with mp3 (clean disc and won't skip on PC's). 
      Is there a way I could control the C90 to access tracks that are really 
      really far ahead, like track 125, or would I have to use the old-fashioned 
      way(hit random, hope it hits a higher number, then switch off random and go 
      to desired track)?
      
      
      >The 210EQ has a rated output voltage of 4V across the board.  The U50D I
      >*think* was the same but it might have been only 4V on the F/R outputs (I'm
      >not certain really).
      
      Ok, so I'll take it that my current U50D has 4v. You think the U50D is a 
      collector's item, or get rid of it?
      
      >Having said all that you should realise, however that the D/As in the 210EQ
      >and the U50D are inferior to those that are already in the C90, they are
      >still quite competent but the C90 does have better D/As.  There is a
      >difference in that the 210EQ has a D/A per output PAIR while the C90 has a
      >PAIR of D/A one for Left, one for Right channels.  The outputs F/R/Sub are
      >all then run after the D/A.  This means any crossover is done in the 
      >digital
      >domain on a 210EQ or U50D while it would be done in the analog domain on 
      >the
      >C90 alone.
      
      
      But what are my chances of being able to tel the diff between D/A's? I 
      couldn't tell the diff between the alpha 24 bit processor(Denon) and an 
      alpine 7998(although I know both can't be set EXACTLY the same).
      
      >The 4000X is really the match for the C90--often times people will actually
      >say it is better to use the C90 alone rather than use the C90 with the 
      >210EQ
      >or U50D.
      
      Ok, so my next post will prolly be WTB XDP-4000x cheap! ;)
      
      
      >As for the D210 and D211 adapters, the D211 is just the newer "revision" of
      >the adapter.  Sony changed *something*--likely to make it more reliable as
      >most revisions do; but functionally they are identical.  Either one will 
      >fit
      >the bill for any given application that calls for either of them.
      >
      >Roland M.
      
      Ah...so either one of them will work. Looks like many people have been 
      problems with that stupid lil adaptor. I think I'll order a few of them in 
      case any breaks off.
      
      Thanks!
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 09, 2004
      
      
      >From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: c90 and such...
      >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:00:15 +0000
      >
      >
      >Hmmm, then again, the C90's manual says it's got a digital volume
      >mumbo-jumbo, and so I shuldn't set the gains too high. I'llmake a few
      >adjustments and see what I like. But again, I'm convined that I won't be
      >able to hear the hiss with the music playing at such volumes. :)
      >
      >
      
      Yeah, but both the C90 and the 210EQ would be using digital volume.  The 
      thing is once you hook up an XDP unit, the C90 no longer controls the 
      volume, the XDP unit does.  The control is still handled by the C90 as a 
      user interface but it is acutally the XDP which changes the volume.  This is 
      why you will find there will be a certain point (if you're playing back pure 
      silence) that the hiss will come on.  It actually quite weird because it is 
      really just like that--it just goes from not being there to being "on" just 
      like that.  Anyhow if you use the XDP-210EQ what I described is a way to 
      avoid that situation.  Truth be told when the volume is up that high you 
      aren't going to notice the added hiss while actually listening to program 
      material--well I don't at least.
      
      
      >Nah, only planning to use one. Currently using the 757MX, gives me mp3
      >capabilities on any sony, so I can't complain. If anything, though, them
      >757MX changers skip like crazy with mp3 (clean disc and won't skip on 
      >PC's).
      >Is there a way I could control the C90 to access tracks that are really
      >really far ahead, like track 125, or would I have to use the old-fashioned
      >way(hit random, hope it hits a higher number, then switch off random and go
      >to desired track)?
      >
      >
      
      Really?  The 757MX skips with MP3 discs?  Do you mean it skips due to read 
      errors or it skips because of impact/rough roads?  You'd think the buffer 
      would hold quite a bit of information in MP3 mode thus eliminating any skips 
      due to vibration.  I'm guessing it just can't read the discs very well?  In 
      that case I'd try a different brand of CD-R or RW (depending on what you are 
      using).  Give Verbatim discs with the AZO or Super AZO dyes a try.  The 
      original AZO ones can be found in their "Vinyl" CD-Rs (look like records) 
      and the Super AZO in their current DataLife Plus line.  Barring that you 
      could also try discs with black bottoms and see if that helps.
      
      
      >Ok, so I'll take it that my current U50D has 4v. You think the U50D is a
      >collector's item, or get rid of it?
      >
      Ahh, I dunno--if it is in mint condition in might be a "collector's item" 
      but even then I'd imagine it wouldn't really be a collector's item at all.  
      Not many people looking for those processors these days.  You might get 
      $50-$100 US for it on eBay though.  Even 210EQs aren't fetching much these 
      days--they are usually going around $100-$120 or so.  People are all into 
      new fancy dancy HUs with screens, MP3, DVD, etc. etc.  Plus there haven't 
      been any Sony models for pretty much the last 4-5 years that can even 
      control an XDP unit--they stopped DSP control a long time ago :(
      
      You could keep the U50D for old time's sake or for another car, or just sell 
      it--it's up to you.
      
      
      >But what are my chances of being able to tel the diff between D/A's? I
      >couldn't tell the diff between the alpha 24 bit processor(Denon) and an
      >alpine 7998(although I know both can't be set EXACTLY the same).
      >
      > >The 4000X is really the match for the C90--often times people will 
      >actually
      > >say it is better to use the C90 alone rather than use the C90 with the
      > >210EQ
      > >or U50D.
      >
      >Ok, so my next post will prolly be WTB XDP-4000x cheap! ;)
      
      Well you're right--the chances are that you won't hear a difference in the 
      D/As.  That is why I said that some people would say the above.  Not 
      everyone would agree.  Some people would see the EQ and crossover 
      adjustments from the 210EQ to outweigh the fact that it uses lesser D/As 
      (which probably aren't very different audibly to most people anyway).  The 
      210EQ is still a very competent unit for what it does, IMO.
      
      
      >Thanks!
      
      Hey no problem!  Hope everything works out with the new gear!  The C90 is a 
      really nice peice! :)
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
      
      
      >Yeah, but both the C90 and the 210EQ would be using digital volume.  The
      >thing is once you hook up an XDP unit, the C90 no longer controls the
      >volume, the XDP unit does.  The control is still handled by the C90 as a
      >user interface but it is acutally the XDP which changes the volume.  This 
      >is
      >why you will find there will be a certain point (if you're playing back 
      >pure
      >silence) that the hiss will come on.  It actually quite weird because it is
      >really just like that--it just goes from not being there to being "on" just
      >like that.  Anyhow if you use the XDP-210EQ what I described is a way to
      >avoid that situation.  Truth be told when the volume is up that high you
      >aren't going to notice the added hiss while actually listening to program
      >material--well I don't at least.
      
      Ah, okok... so basically raise my gains enough so I don't "enter the hiss 
      realm"
      Got it.:) Curious.. jsut what kind of hiss are we talking about? As loud as 
      what you'd get on a tape deck?
      
      >Really?  The 757MX skips with MP3 discs?  Do you mean it skips due to read
      >errors or it skips because of impact/rough roads?  You'd think the buffer
      >would hold quite a bit of information in MP3 mode thus eliminating any 
      >skips
      >due to vibration.  I'm guessing it just can't read the discs very well?  In
      >that case I'd try a different brand of CD-R or RW (depending on what you 
      >are
      >using).  Give Verbatim discs with the AZO or Super AZO dyes a try.  The
      >original AZO ones can be found in their "Vinyl" CD-Rs (look like records)
      >and the Super AZO in their current DataLife Plus line.  Barring that you
      >could also try discs with black bottoms and see if that helps.
      
      
      Yes, it skips with mp3, and the SLIGHTEST bump will do that. I'm thinking 
      maybe something's wrong with the MP# conversion thingy, since CD's don't 
      EVER skp, even if I shake it violently with my hands (yes, i literally did 
      it to test )
      About brands, I thought that might have been the prob, so what I did was try 
      various brands (except TDK). Tried imation, kodak, samsung, and a horad of 
      loudy b grade stuff as well (We're talking USD20 for 50~80 CD's) I'll give 
      the black surface a try. Technically, it shouldn't have any difference at 
      all, all just 1's and 0's...
      
      
      >Ahh, I dunno--if it is in mint condition in might be a "collector's item"
      >but even then I'd imagine it wouldn't really be a collector's item at all.
      >Not many people looking for those processors these days.  You might get
      >$50-$100 US for it on eBay though.  Even 210EQs aren't fetching much these
      >days--they are usually going around $100-$120 or so.  People are all into
      >new fancy dancy HUs with screens, MP3, DVD, etc. etc.  Plus there haven't
      >been any Sony models for pretty much the last 4-5 years that can even
      >control an XDP unit--they stopped DSP control a long time ago :(
      >
      >You could keep the U50D for old time's sake or for another car, or just 
      >sell
      >it--it's up to you.
      
      Since it's served me so well for so long, I think i'll more than likely keep 
      it. Thanks!~
      
      
      >Well you're right--the chances are that you won't hear a difference in the
      >D/As.  That is why I said that some people would say the above.  Not
      >everyone would agree.  Some people would see the EQ and crossover
      >adjustments from the 210EQ to outweigh the fact that it uses lesser D/As
      >(which probably aren't very different audibly to most people anyway).  The
      >210EQ is still a very competent unit for what it does, IMO.
      
      So basically, I'll be happy with the 210EQ anyhow. Still, the 4000x looks 
      very tempting. God knows I dont need it, but then again....hmmmm
      
      >
      >Hey no problem!  Hope everything works out with the new gear!  The C90 is a
      >really nice peice! :)
      
      Yupyup~
      
      also, if things go well, i might be ble to get my hands on the XES here in 
      about 3 months time. Gotta see why that's so hyped. I wasn't too impressed 
      with the Alpine F1 anyway. no diff to me.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
      
      
      To be honest here, I worked with the 210eq for over 2 years before I
      upgraded to the 4000x.  I'm sure the hiss they're talking about is quite
      dependant on the type of music you listen to, but this hiss was never a
      major issue to me.  I get the feeling that this is the sort of issue that,
      once you notice it, if you're picky enough, you'll find yourself noticing it
      over and over again thereafter.  I'm quite picky, but, I did not have that
      issue.
      But, if you were to ask me if I'd ever go back to the 210eq, no thanks.  The
      quality of the dac's in that particular unit are so inferior to those in the
      4000x and the c90, it really shames the quality of equipment that you'd be
      using.  There were major differences in the quality of the mid's and the
      high's that I noticed immediately after making the switch, I can't even
      begin to explain.
      If you have a c90 already, and don't have the $$ to upgrade to the 4000x,
      personally I'd skip the 210eq and output directly to my amps.  That is my
      opinion, but then again the 210eq does have some nice features built in, and
      if you're going for spl, none of these issues should really matter to you.
      And one major option when using the 210eq that you'd lose when upgrading to
      the 4000x is the subwoofer volume control. Again, it's not something you
      find yourself missing if you're going for quality, I find now that I've set
      my system properly to my liking, I never make any changes to the eq.
      Now, unless you're dead set on using the c90 or have already bought it, you
      might want to think about using a different head and save some $$.
      Personally I don't see the point of spending loads of money on the head when
      you're processor which is running digital in the first place will be the
      only deciding factor of sound quality.  As long as you're using a head with
      a digital out, appearance would be the only difference.  I'm not sure of all
      the models Sony made with DSP control and digital out, but I'm sure there
      are more than the c90 and c910.  Then again, I love the cool blue color of
      the volume control at night, with the display dimmed, it looks much better
      than those noisy newer heads with flashy screen savers and futuristic colors
      and shaping.
      Again, I must say, the 4000x was the best decision I've made since I went
      with Sony ES, the clarity is just awe inspiring to me, still, everytime I
      get in the car.  I wish you the best of luck in your system, whichever
      direction you take, hope some of this makes sense to you.
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: c90 and such...
      
      
      >
      > >Yeah, but both the C90 and the 210EQ would be using digital volume.  The
      > >thing is once you hook up an XDP unit, the C90 no longer controls the
      > >volume, the XDP unit does.  The control is still handled by the C90 as a
      > >user interface but it is acutally the XDP which changes the volume.  This
      > >is
      > >why you will find there will be a certain point (if you're playing back
      > >pure
      > >silence) that the hiss will come on.  It actually quite weird because it
      is
      > >really just like that--it just goes from not being there to being "on"
      just
      > >like that.  Anyhow if you use the XDP-210EQ what I described is a way to
      > >avoid that situation.  Truth be told when the volume is up that high you
      > >aren't going to notice the added hiss while actually listening to program
      > >material--well I don't at least.
      >
      > Ah, okok... so basically raise my gains enough so I don't "enter the hiss
      > realm"
      > Got it.:) Curious.. jsut what kind of hiss are we talking about? As loud
      as
      > what you'd get on a tape deck?
      >
      > >Really?  The 757MX skips with MP3 discs?  Do you mean it skips due to
      read
      > >errors or it skips because of impact/rough roads?  You'd think the buffer
      > >would hold quite a bit of information in MP3 mode thus eliminating any
      > >skips
      > >due to vibration.  I'm guessing it just can't read the discs very well?
      In
      > >that case I'd try a different brand of CD-R or RW (depending on what you
      > >are
      > >using).  Give Verbatim discs with the AZO or Super AZO dyes a try.  The
      > >original AZO ones can be found in their "Vinyl" CD-Rs (look like records)
      > >and the Super AZO in their current DataLife Plus line.  Barring that you
      > >could also try discs with black bottoms and see if that helps.
      >
      >
      > Yes, it skips with mp3, and the SLIGHTEST bump will do that. I'm thinking
      > maybe something's wrong with the MP# conversion thingy, since CD's don't
      > EVER skp, even if I shake it violently with my hands (yes, i literally did
      > it to test )
      > About brands, I thought that might have been the prob, so what I did was
      try
      > various brands (except TDK). Tried imation, kodak, samsung, and a horad of
      > loudy b grade stuff as well (We're talking USD20 for 50~80 CD's) I'll give
      > the black surface a try. Technically, it shouldn't have any difference at
      > all, all just 1's and 0's...
      >
      >
      > >Ahh, I dunno--if it is in mint condition in might be a "collector's item"
      > >but even then I'd imagine it wouldn't really be a collector's item at
      all.
      > >Not many people looking for those processors these days.  You might get
      > >$50-$100 US for it on eBay though.  Even 210EQs aren't fetching much
      these
      > >days--they are usually going around $100-$120 or so.  People are all into
      > >new fancy dancy HUs with screens, MP3, DVD, etc. etc.  Plus there haven't
      > >been any Sony models for pretty much the last 4-5 years that can even
      > >control an XDP unit--they stopped DSP control a long time ago :(
      > >
      > >You could keep the U50D for old time's sake or for another car, or just
      > >sell
      > >it--it's up to you.
      >
      > Since it's served me so well for so long, I think i'll more than likely
      keep
      > it. Thanks!~
      >
      >
      > >Well you're right--the chances are that you won't hear a difference in
      the
      > >D/As.  That is why I said that some people would say the above.  Not
      > >everyone would agree.  Some people would see the EQ and crossover
      > >adjustments from the 210EQ to outweigh the fact that it uses lesser D/As
      > >(which probably aren't very different audibly to most people anyway).
      The
      > >210EQ is still a very competent unit for what it does, IMO.
      >
      > So basically, I'll be happy with the 210EQ anyhow. Still, the 4000x looks
      > very tempting. God knows I dont need it, but then again....hmmmm
      >
      > >
      > >Hey no problem!  Hope everything works out with the new gear!  The C90 is
      a
      > >really nice peice! :)
      >
      > Yupyup~
      >
      > also, if things go well, i might be ble to get my hands on the XES here in
      > about 3 months time. Gotta see why that's so hyped. I wasn't too impressed
      > with the Alpine F1 anyway. no diff to me.
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
From: 
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 
MP3 Playback Skipping...
      
      
      >
      > >Really?  The 757MX skips with MP3 discs?  Do you mean it skips due to read
      > >errors or it skips because of impact/rough roads?  You'd think the buffer
      > >would hold quite a bit of information in MP3 mode thus eliminating any
      > >skips
      > >due to vibration.  I'm guessing it just can't read the discs very well?  In
      > >that case I'd try a different brand of CD-R or RW (depending on what you
      > >are
      > >using).  Give Verbatim discs with the AZO or Super AZO dyes a try.  The
      > >original AZO ones can be found in their "Vinyl" CD-Rs (look like records)
      > >and the Super AZO in their current DataLife Plus line.  Barring that you
      > >could also try discs with black bottoms and see if that helps.
      >
      >
      >Yes, it skips with mp3, and the SLIGHTEST bump will do that. I'm thinking
      >maybe something's wrong with the MP# conversion thingy, since CD's don't
      >EVER skp, even if I shake it violently with my hands (yes, i literally did
      >it to test )
      >About brands, I thought that might have been the prob, so what I did was try
      >various brands (except TDK). Tried imation, kodak, samsung, and a horad of
      >loudy b grade stuff as well (We're talking USD20 for 50~80 CD's) I'll give
      >the black surface a try. Technically, it shouldn't have any difference at
      >all, all just 1's and 0's...
      
      
      This problem with the MP3s is probably more due to the encoding (ripping) 
      method you are using.  Have you checked to see if the errors always occur 
      at the same place?  I have a Phatbox and when I first got it, certain songs 
      would "skip", generally always at the same spot.  The problem was related 
      to a combination of two things; the poor performance of the ripping utility 
      I was using (Phatnoise Music Manager), and poor I/O performance of the 
      computer system I was ripping it on.
      
      The later releases of the Phatnoise Music Manger are much better now and I 
      rip at 128bpm at the Maximum Quality setting.  On my main Windows system it 
      takes about 30 seconds to rip a 4 minute song.
      
      The other problem seems to be poor I/O performance of the given Windows 
      system.  When I first got my Phatbox, I wanted to rip all 1000 of my CDs, 
      which, at 30 seconds per song x 1000 CDs x 10 songs per CD = ~84 hours of 
      continuous ripping!
      
      Not wanting to sit and rip CDs for 4 straght days, I setup a couple of old 
      laptops and a couple of other old computers I could get my hands on.  The 
      ripping of the collection went much faster, but what happened was that all 
      of the songs that were ripped on the older laptops suffered badly from 
      "skipping".  I finally just had to go back and re-rip all of the CDs that I 
      had done on the old laptops.  Fortunately, the system clocks on the two old 
      laptops were off by about a year, so it made it easy to find the "bad rips" 
      from the good rips from the file date stamps.  Whew.
      
      Anyway, I reripped all of those CDs on my new Windows system and haven't 
      had any skipping problems.
      
      Best regards,
      
      Matt Dralle
      
      
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Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
From: 
DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such...MP3 changers!!!
      
      
      Funny you've mentioned the MP3 changer...
      
      I bought one of the first MP3 changers (the 6 disc model) last year, and 
      it was great,
      except for the fact that it would skip only on MP3 songs!  It drove me 
      nuts, until it finally
      died a slow and painful death...(bought the unit in january/03)  Heck, I 
      wouldn't even hit
      a bump, and it skipped!
      
      Sony exchanged the 6 disc model for the 10 disc model 757MX...(This was 
      later last
      year)   Never skipped on me since.  :-)
      
      I'm wondering if your unit is under warranty, and they could swap it for 
      a newer version...
      My guess would have to be that the earlier units have buggy firmware in 
      place.  The one
      I have now works like a champ, never skips period.
      
      >Yes, it skips with mp3, and the SLIGHTEST bump will do that. I'm thinking 
      >maybe something's wrong with the MP# conversion thingy, since CD's don't 
      >EVER skp, even if I shake it violently with my hands (yes, i literally did 
      >it to test )
      >About brands, I thought that might have been the prob, so what I did was try 
      >various brands (except TDK). Tried imation, kodak, samsung, and a horad of 
      >loudy b grade stuff as well (We're talking USD20 for 50~80 CD's) I'll give 
      >the black surface a try. Technically, it shouldn't have any difference at 
      >all, all just 1's and 0's...
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
From: 
DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: 
Re: MP3 Playback Skipping...
      
      
      Good point, matt.
      
      As well, I found with the older changer, that it would skip mostly with 
      VBR MP3 encoded tracks.
      CBR tracks were as prone to skipping...
      
      I guess, YMMV!
      
      Daniel
      
      Matt Dralle wrote:
      
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      >>>Really?  The 757MX skips with MP3 discs?  Do you mean it skips due to read
      >>>errors or it skips because of impact/rough roads?  You'd think the buffer
      >>>would hold quite a bit of information in MP3 mode thus eliminating any
      >>>skips
      >>>due to vibration.  I'm guessing it just can't read the discs very well?  In
      >>>that case I'd try a different brand of CD-R or RW (depending on what you
      >>>are
      >>>using).  Give Verbatim discs with the AZO or Super AZO dyes a try.  The
      >>>original AZO ones can be found in their "Vinyl" CD-Rs (look like records)
      >>>and the Super AZO in their current DataLife Plus line.  Barring that you
      >>>could also try discs with black bottoms and see if that helps.
      >>>      
      >>>
      >>Yes, it skips with mp3, and the SLIGHTEST bump will do that. I'm thinking
      >>maybe something's wrong with the MP# conversion thingy, since CD's don't
      >>EVER skp, even if I shake it violently with my hands (yes, i literally did
      >>it to test )
      >>About brands, I thought that might have been the prob, so what I did was try
      >>various brands (except TDK). Tried imation, kodak, samsung, and a horad of
      >>loudy b grade stuff as well (We're talking USD20 for 50~80 CD's) I'll give
      >>the black surface a try. Technically, it shouldn't have any difference at
      >>all, all just 1's and 0's...
      >>    
      >>
      >
      >
      >This problem with the MP3s is probably more due to the encoding (ripping) 
      >method you are using.  Have you checked to see if the errors always occur 
      >at the same place?  I have a Phatbox and when I first got it, certain songs 
      >would "skip", generally always at the same spot.  The problem was related 
      >to a combination of two things; the poor performance of the ripping utility 
      >I was using (Phatnoise Music Manager), and poor I/O performance of the 
      >computer system I was ripping it on.
      >
      >The later releases of the Phatnoise Music Manger are much better now and I 
      >rip at 128bpm at the Maximum Quality setting.  On my main Windows system it 
      >takes about 30 seconds to rip a 4 minute song.
      >
      >The other problem seems to be poor I/O performance of the given Windows 
      >system.  When I first got my Phatbox, I wanted to rip all 1000 of my CDs, 
      >which, at 30 seconds per song x 1000 CDs x 10 songs per CD = ~84 hours of 
      >continuous ripping!
      >
      >Not wanting to sit and rip CDs for 4 straght days, I setup a couple of old 
      >laptops and a couple of other old computers I could get my hands on.  The 
      >ripping of the collection went much faster, but what happened was that all 
      >of the songs that were ripped on the older laptops suffered badly from 
      >"skipping".  I finally just had to go back and re-rip all of the CDs that I 
      >had done on the old laptops.  Fortunately, the system clocks on the two old 
      >laptops were off by about a year, so it made it easy to find the "bad rips" 
      >from the good rips from the file date stamps.  Whew.
      >
      >Anyway, I reripped all of those CDs on my new Windows system and haven't 
      >had any skipping problems.
      >
      >Best regards,
      >
      >Matt Dralle
      >
      >
      >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      >925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: c90 and such...
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
      
      
      >
      >I'm not sure of all
      >the models Sony made with DSP control and digital out, but I'm sure there
      >are more than the c90 and c910.
      
      Actually, AFAIK I thought the CDX-C90 and C910 and the MDX-400 were the only 
      HUs that had both DSP Control and the digital out.  (Someone please correct 
      me if I'm mistaken...).
      
      Unfortunately the MDX-400 on it's own (i.e. using its pre-amp and having the 
      MDX-400 as the HU in a system) you can't control the XDP-210EQ properly.  
      The MDX-400 was made to control the U50D or (analog-only) 766EQ.  Using the 
      210EQ with the 400 alone and you just get "Digital Bass" and "Digital 
      Treble" as well as balance, fader, etc. controls.  You can't access the EQ 
      presets or even the EQ settings themselves.  Since the 400 doesn't work 
      properly with the 210EQ, I'd imagine that it could not be used properly with 
      the 4000X either as it is even more complex.
      
      The predecessor to the C910, I *think* that was the CDX-C900 (?)--it didn't 
      have a digital output I don't *think* but I could be wrong.  Still, even if 
      it did I would imagine its DSP Control functionality would be like the 
      MDX-400's.
      
      Roland M.
      
      Find out everything you need to know about Las Vegas here for that getaway.  
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 10, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Sony Product Press release
      
      
      here you go:  
      http://news.sel.sony.com/xplod/
      
      Roland M  wrote:
      
      >From: Scott Thibault 
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony Product Press release Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 
      >
      >
      >HEARING IS BELIEVING:SONY'S NEW XPLOD LINE OF HEAD UNITS BRING LIFE AND 
      >EXCITEMENT BACK TO CAR AUDIO
      >
      >
      >LAS VEGAS (CES, Booth #N110), Jan. 7, 2004 - A longtime leader in car 
      >audio, Sony Electronics is set to revitalize the mobile electronics 
      >industry with its 2004 line of Xplod head units featuring new technology 
      >and enhanced styling.
      >
      >
      
      Thanks for the info Scott! But do you have the link (URL) available for this 
      press release? The reason I ask is b/c I'd like to see the pics (if there 
      are any). Are there any pics to go with this?
      
      Nice that they are coming out with some new stuff that SOUNDS a bit 
      promising. I mean nothing major, but at least an improvement over older 
      Xplod stuff--they seem to be improving each year which is at least something 
      good if not great. This S-Drive thing--120dB S/N??? Wow--sounds pretty 
      optimistic but I'm sure it has to do something good right?
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 
Utilization of a cdx-m650
Date: 
Jan 11, 2004
      
      
      Can one possibly use a cdx-m650 with a xdp-4000x ? Looking at the specs for the
      cdx-m650 via Crutchfield, says that it has DSP controls. But the real question
      is, to what extent ? Basically I would like to have a head unit where by, I
      do not have to worry about removing a faceplate all the time.  Sure I would love
      a cdx-c90, but I get in and out of my truck all day long, and the prospect
      of removing the head unit all the time is not one I cherish. The cdx-m650 has
      that stealth all black face, which is non-removable. If I understand it correctly
      to analog. So with my changer's ( cdx-828 ) digital out going directly to my
      xdp-4000x , I have purity of signal. The head unit then hopefully just adjusts
      the eq, and adjusts the volume.
      
      Thanks
      Tarik
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Utilization of a cdx-m650
Date: 
Jan 12, 2004
      
      
      Yes, I'm pretty sure the CDX-M650 was the only Xplod unit that had DSP 
      control.  However it was discontinued quite some years ago, so I'm guessing 
      you are looking at the Crutchfield "archives" site/pages?  I think the 
      (cassette) XR-M550 also had DSP Control  but I can't be sure about that.
      
      I would add however that the M650 (and all Xplod models) dropped the ESP 
      feature as well as had some degree of decline in quality.  It was of the 
      Xplod mobile ES series but that wasn't really as good as previous mobile ES 
      products.
      
      The M650 may look good but it isn't the greatest in reliability really.  If 
      you can find a brand new one you might be a bit better off, as a used one 
      will be, well, already used.  I would recommend a CDX-C780, CDX-C7850 or 
      CDX-C880 instead as the quality of those units is much higher, IMO.  Of 
      course they have completely different cosmetics/design...  (As another note 
      the CDX-C8850 though being the top of the line unit before the C90 the year 
      before Xplod, should not be considered as it had HX DSP and therefore it 
      dropped DSP Control.  An excellent unit on its own but you cannot pair it 
      with an XDP unit.)
      
      But, yes, the M650 should indeed control the XDP unit--any one of the 766EQ, 
      U50D, 210EQ or 4000X should work.  I once saw a competition vehicle featured 
      in a car audio magazine that used the M650 paired with the 4000X.  The PC 
      programming aspect of the 4000X still requires a PC of course ;)
      
      Roland M.
      
      >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:50:03 -0800
      >
      >
      >Can one possibly use a cdx-m650 with a xdp-4000x ? Looking at the specs for 
      >the cdx-m650 via Crutchfield, says that it has DSP controls. But the real 
      >question is, to what extent ? Basically I would like to have a head unit 
      >where by, I do not have to worry about removing a faceplate all the time.  
      >Sure I would love a cdx-c90, but I get in and out of my truck all day long, 
      >and the prospect of removing the head unit all the time is not one I 
      >cherish. The cdx-m650 has that stealth all black face, which is 
      >non-removable. If I understand it correctly , the xdp-4000x controls 
      >everything from volume to the conversion of digital to analog. So with my 
      >changer's ( cdx-828 ) digital out going directly to my xdp-4000x , I have 
      >purity of signal. The head unit then hopefully just adjusts the eq, and 
      >adjusts the volume.
      >
      >Thanks
      >Tarik
      >
      
      Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. 
      http://wine.msn.com/
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 
Re: Utilization of a cdx-m650
Date: 
Jan 12, 2004
      
      
      Thanks for the response. I appreciate the recommendation of the earlier,
      higher grade ES line, but I think the non-removable face of the cdx-m650
      really suits my needs. As to, if one can get one in good shape is another
      question. As to the ESP feature, I believe that the only function I am going
      to use the head unit for is, remote volume control of the xdp-4000x.
      Thanks  again !
      Tarik
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      
      
      >
      > Yes, I'm pretty sure the CDX-M650 was the only Xplod unit that had DSP
      > control.  However it was discontinued quite some years ago, so I'm
      guessing
      > you are looking at the Crutchfield "archives" site/pages?  I think the
      > (cassette) XR-M550 also had DSP Control  but I can't be sure about that.
      >
      > I would add however that the M650 (and all Xplod models) dropped the ESP
      > feature as well as had some degree of decline in quality.  It was of the
      > Xplod mobile ES series but that wasn't really as good as previous mobile
      ES
      > products.
      >
      > The M650 may look good but it isn't the greatest in reliability really.
      If
      > you can find a brand new one you might be a bit better off, as a used one
      > will be, well, already used.  I would recommend a CDX-C780, CDX-C7850 or
      > CDX-C880 instead as the quality of those units is much higher, IMO.  Of
      > course they have completely different cosmetics/design...  (As another
      note
      > the CDX-C8850 though being the top of the line unit before the C90 the
      year
      > before Xplod, should not be considered as it had HX DSP and therefore it
      > dropped DSP Control.  An excellent unit on its own but you cannot pair it
      > with an XDP unit.)
      >
      > But, yes, the M650 should indeed control the XDP unit--any one of the
      766EQ,
      > U50D, 210EQ or 4000X should work.  I once saw a competition vehicle
      featured
      > in a car audio magazine that used the M650 paired with the 4000X.  The PC
      > programming aspect of the 4000X still requires a PC of course ;)
      >
      > Roland M.
      >
      > >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > >To: 
      > >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:50:03 -0800
      > >
      > >
      > >Can one possibly use a cdx-m650 with a xdp-4000x ? Looking at the specs
      for
      > >the cdx-m650 via Crutchfield, says that it has DSP controls. But the real
      > >question is, to what extent ? Basically I would like to have a head unit
      > >where by, I do not have to worry about removing a faceplate all the time.
      > >Sure I would love a cdx-c90, but I get in and out of my truck all day
      long,
      > >and the prospect of removing the head unit all the time is not one I
      > >cherish. The cdx-m650 has that stealth all black face, which is
      > >non-removable. If I understand it correctly , the xdp-4000x controls
      > >everything from volume to the conversion of digital to analog. So with my
      > >changer's ( cdx-828 ) digital out going directly to my xdp-4000x , I have
      > >purity of signal. The head unit then hopefully just adjusts the eq, and
      > >adjusts the volume.
      > >
      > >Thanks
      > >Tarik
      > >
      >
      > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.
      > http://wine.msn.com/
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: Utilization of a cdx-m650
Date: 
Jan 12, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:08:07 -0800
      >
      >
      >Thanks for the response. I appreciate the recommendation of the earlier,
      >higher grade ES line, but I think the non-removable face of the cdx-m650
      >really suits my needs. As to, if one can get one in good shape is another
      >question. As to the ESP feature, I believe that the only function I am 
      >going
      >to use the head unit for is, remote volume control of the xdp-4000x.
      >Thanks  again !
      >Tarik
      >
      >
      
      Hey no problem re the info :)  Since you said you wouldn't be using the ESP 
      or using the M650 for anything other than controlling the XDP, then I'm 
      assuming you wouldn't be using the CD mechanism of the M650 at all?  The 
      reason I ask is because (you may already know this but I'm not sure from 
      your answer) ESP is the Electronic Shock Protection for the CD section of 
      the HU.  Since the M650 doesn't have this feature it will be susceptible to 
      skipping due to hard vibrations from the road.  Some early Xplod-unit-owners 
      complained of skipping even during heavy bass notes :(
      
      I realise you probably plan on using the CDX-828 most of the time for CD 
      playback but I would think that you might use the M650s CD unit at least 
      some of the time--so it might be something to consider.
      
      If you really think you'll NEVER use the M650s CD section, you may want to 
      check into finding out about (and subsequently finding) an XR-M550.  
      Identical in looks and features to the M650 but has a cassette drive instead 
      of CD.  I'm pretty sure it also supports DSP control--I'm not 100% sure but 
      I'm pretty sure.  You may want to check into that. The reason?  Well you'll 
      probably be able to get an XR-M550 a good bit cheaper than a CDX-M650.  Then 
      again the M550 is even more rare than the M650 so the M650 might work out 
      better for you anyhow.
      
      Just some additional points to ponder :)
      
      Roland M.
      
      Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. 
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 
Re: Utilization of a cdx-m650
Date: 
Jan 13, 2004
      
      
      Roland,
      Did not even consider the xr-m550, but actually that is a better option,
      since I do own tapes.
      Thanks
      T
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      
      
      >
      > >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > >To: 
      > >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      > >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:08:07 -0800
      > >
      > >
      > >Thanks for the response. I appreciate the recommendation of the earlier,
      > >higher grade ES line, but I think the non-removable face of the cdx-m650
      > >really suits my needs. As to, if one can get one in good shape is another
      > >question. As to the ESP feature, I believe that the only function I am
      > >going
      > >to use the head unit for is, remote volume control of the xdp-4000x.
      > >Thanks  again !
      > >Tarik
      > >
      > >
      >
      > Hey no problem re the info :)  Since you said you wouldn't be using the
      ESP
      > or using the M650 for anything other than controlling the XDP, then I'm
      > assuming you wouldn't be using the CD mechanism of the M650 at all?  The
      > reason I ask is because (you may already know this but I'm not sure from
      > your answer) ESP is the Electronic Shock Protection for the CD section of
      > the HU.  Since the M650 doesn't have this feature it will be susceptible
      to
      > skipping due to hard vibrations from the road.  Some early
      Xplod-unit-owners
      > complained of skipping even during heavy bass notes :(
      >
      > I realise you probably plan on using the CDX-828 most of the time for CD
      > playback but I would think that you might use the M650s CD unit at least
      > some of the time--so it might be something to consider.
      >
      > If you really think you'll NEVER use the M650s CD section, you may want to
      > check into finding out about (and subsequently finding) an XR-M550.
      > Identical in looks and features to the M650 but has a cassette drive
      instead
      > of CD.  I'm pretty sure it also supports DSP control--I'm not 100% sure
      but
      > I'm pretty sure.  You may want to check into that. The reason?  Well
      you'll
      > probably be able to get an XR-M550 a good bit cheaper than a CDX-M650.
      Then
      > again the M550 is even more rare than the M650 so the M650 might work out
      > better for you anyhow.
      >
      > Just some additional points to ponder :)
      >
      > Roland M.
      >
      > Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips
      here.
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: Utilization of a cdx-m650
Date: 
Jan 13, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:18:58 -0800
      >
      >
      >Roland,
      >Did not even consider the xr-m550, but actually that is a better option,
      >since I do own tapes.
      >Thanks
      >T
      >
      
      Yeah it might be a good choice then.  They are pretty rare though, in North 
      America at least.  I checked the product manual and it does indeed support 
      DSPs, the XDP-4000X is even listed in the optional equipment section of the 
      manual.
      
      Roland M.
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 13, 2004
From: 
"Leo G. Divingracia III" <ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu>
Subject: 
news from CES 2004
      
      
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      -- 
      Leo G. Divinagracia III
      ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu
      
      zzzzz
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
news from CES 2004
Date: 
Jan 14, 2004
      
      
      Thought that much of it huh?
      
      
      TRU Tech has some promising new equipment coming out this year. There are others
      but none worth mentioning. :)
      
      
      Oh, well there is that new Clarion DRZ9255. I'm half tempted to get it since it
      will replace the C90 AND the 4000X and I'll have less installation issues and
      no more fuss aboutadd onsbeing compatible with Unilink or buying adapters for
      $30-300 that should be $5-30.
      
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: "Leo G. Divingracia III" <LDIVINAG(at)CSUHAYWARD.EDU>
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: news from CES 2004 
      Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:50:20 -0800 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Leo G. Divingracia III" 
      
      
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      -- 
      Leo G. Divinagracia III 
      ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu 
      
      zzzzz 
      
      
       Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. 
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 14, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
news from CES 2004
      
      
      I liked the new alpine with the touch screen. I guess the on screen buttons have
      force feedback that makes the screen simulate real buttons.
      
      Z" 
      
      
      Thought that much of it huh?
      
      
      TRU Tech has some promising new equipment coming out this year. There are others
      but none worth mentioning. :)
      
      
      Oh, well there is that new Clarion DRZ9255. I'm half tempted to get it since it
      will replace the C90 AND the 4000X and I'll have less installation issues and
      no more fuss aboutadd onsbeing compatible with Unilink or buying adapters for
      $30-300 that should be $5-30.
      
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: "Leo G. Divingracia III" 
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: news from CES 2004 
      Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:50:20 -0800 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Leo G. Divingracia III" 
      
      
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      -- 
      Leo G. Divinagracia III 
      ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu 
      
      zzzzz 
      
      
      Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. 
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: CDX-M650
Date: 
Jan 14, 2004
      
      
      All
      
      Re: the use of an M650 for the control of a 4000x, I originally built my
      system using a M650. It worked well but when I finally switched out the M650
      for a C90, there was a substantial increase in sound quality and dynamic
      range. This I cant understand, because I wasnt using the headunit for CD
      playback, rather Im using an 805 changer with digital into the 4000x. So, I
      dont know why and/or cant explain, but there was a big difference, and I
      only swapped the head unit. Compared to the C90, the sound when using the
      M650 was dull and muffled.
      
      Mark
                                 XDP4000X-List Digest Archive
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      Today's Message Index:
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           1. 09:23 AM - Re: Utilization of a cdx-m650  (Tarik Karah)
           2. 01:32 PM - Re: Utilization of a cdx-m650  (Roland M)
           3. 05:50 PM - news from CES 2004  (Leo G. Divingracia III)
           4. 06:11 PM - Re: news from CES 2004  (Brody Z)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 1
      _____________________________________
      
      
      From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      
      
      Roland,
      Did not even consider the xr-m550, but actually that is a better option,
      since I do own tapes.
      Thanks
      T
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      
      
      >
      > >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > >To: 
      > >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      > >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:08:07 -0800
      > >
      > >
      > >Thanks for the response. I appreciate the recommendation of the earlier,
      > >higher grade ES line, but I think the non-removable face of the cdx-m650
      > >really suits my needs. As to, if one can get one in good shape is another
      > >question. As to the ESP feature, I believe that the only function I am
      > >going
      > >to use the head unit for is, remote volume control of the xdp-4000x.
      > >Thanks  again !
      > >Tarik
      > >
      > >
      >
      > Hey no problem re the info :)  Since you said you wouldn't be using the
      ESP
      > or using the M650 for anything other than controlling the XDP, then I'm
      > assuming you wouldn't be using the CD mechanism of the M650 at all?  The
      > reason I ask is because (you may already know this but I'm not sure from
      > your answer) ESP is the Electronic Shock Protection for the CD section of
      > the HU.  Since the M650 doesn't have this feature it will be susceptible
      to
      > skipping due to hard vibrations from the road.  Some early
      Xplod-unit-owners
      > complained of skipping even during heavy bass notes :(
      >
      > I realise you probably plan on using the CDX-828 most of the time for CD
      > playback but I would think that you might use the M650s CD unit at least
      > some of the time--so it might be something to consider.
      >
      > If you really think you'll NEVER use the M650s CD section, you may want to
      > check into finding out about (and subsequently finding) an XR-M550.
      > Identical in looks and features to the M650 but has a cassette drive
      instead
      > of CD.  I'm pretty sure it also supports DSP control--I'm not 100% sure
      but
      > I'm pretty sure.  You may want to check into that. The reason?  Well
      you'll
      > probably be able to get an XR-M550 a good bit cheaper than a CDX-M650.
      Then
      > again the M550 is even more rare than the M650 so the M650 might work out
      > better for you anyhow.
      >
      > Just some additional points to ponder :)
      >
      > Roland M.
      >
      > Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips
      here.
      >
      >
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 2
      _____________________________________
      
      
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      
      
      >From: "Tarik Karah" <karah(at)sbcglobal.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Utilization of a cdx-m650
      >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:18:58 -0800
      >
      >
      >Roland,
      >Did not even consider the xr-m550, but actually that is a better option,
      >since I do own tapes.
      >Thanks
      >T
      >
      
      Yeah it might be a good choice then.  They are pretty rare though, in North 
      America at least.  I checked the product manual and it does indeed support 
      DSPs, the XDP-4000X is even listed in the optional equipment section of the 
      manual.
      
      Roland M.
      
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      ________________________________  Message 3
      _____________________________________
      
      
      From: "Leo G. Divingracia III" <ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu>
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: news from CES 2004
      
      
      
      
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      -- 
      Leo G. Divinagracia III
      ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu
      
      zzzzz
      
      ________________________________  Message 4
      _____________________________________
      
      
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: news from CES 2004
      
      
      Thought that much of it huh?
      
      
      TRU Tech has some promising new equipment coming out this year. There are
      others
      but none worth mentioning. :)
      
      
      Oh, well there is that new Clarion DRZ9255. I'm half tempted to get it since
      it
      will replace the C90 AND the 4000X and I'll have less installation issues
      and
      no more fuss aboutadd onsbeing compatible with Unilink or buying adapters
      for
      $30-300 that should be $5-30.
      
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      
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      Subject: XDP4000X-List: news from CES 2004 
      
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      Leo G. Divinagracia III 
      ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu 
      
      zzzzz 
      
      
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From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
cd changer into aux input of C90
Date: 
Jan 18, 2004
      
      
      Ok, here's the scenario..
      
      I just changed my hu to the CDX-C90 (an AWESOME deck), linked to a U50D (I 
      have yet to link the 210EQ as yet).
      
      Thing is, instead of how people usually link the change to the EQ, what I 
      did was link the CD changer's RCA to the hu's aux input (this was how I was 
      advised to hook it up in the U50D's manual).
      
      However, I see in the 210EQ's manual that I should link the CD changer to 
      the EQ.
      
      Now, would it make a diff in sound quality? Honestly, I hear a LOAD of 
      difference from my old XR-U700 deck (cassette), even when playing CD's from 
      the CD changer. Everything seems louder and more distinct. Is my mind 
      playing games?
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
cd changer into aux input of C90
Date: 
Jan 18, 2004
      
      
      >From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: cd changer into aux input of C90
      >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:14:07 +0000
      >
      >
      >Ok, here's the scenario..
      >
      >I just changed my hu to the CDX-C90 (an AWESOME deck), linked to a U50D (I
      >have yet to link the 210EQ as yet).
      >
      >Thing is, instead of how people usually link the change to the EQ, what I
      >did was link the CD changer's RCA to the hu's aux input (this was how I was
      >advised to hook it up in the U50D's manual).
      >
      >However, I see in the 210EQ's manual that I should link the CD changer to
      >the EQ.
      >
      >Now, would it make a diff in sound quality? Honestly, I hear a LOAD of
      >difference from my old XR-U700 deck (cassette), even when playing CD's from
      >the CD changer. Everything seems louder and more distinct. Is my mind
      >playing games?
      >
      >
      
      You are correct, the older U50D has some hook up directions that seem weird 
      by today's standards.  Really the U50D was designed before any HUs were out 
      that had digital outputs (i.e. it was made with cassette HUs in mind).
      
      What the U50D "has in mind" for the changer hookup is that you route the 
      RCAs of an analog changer through the HU and then the audio travels to the 
      U50D from the HU.  However depending on the location of the changer this may 
      be impractical.  If the changer is mounted up front this might be a useful 
      thing to do since only a short RCA is required to go from the changer to the 
      HU.  If the changer is mounted at the rear (where presumably the XDP would 
      be) then it might make less sense to run an RCA all the way back to the 
      front only to have it travel back in the HUs output line to the XDP unit.
      
      Really, it would be a better idea just to connect the changer's analog 
      output directly to the analog changer input on the XDP.  However in the case 
      of the U50D it is important to see if this will work in a single-changer 
      configuration.  Also I believe that this is the only way to do it (run the 
      RCAs from the changer to the DSP) in the case of both the XDP-210EQ and the 
      XDP-4000X.  Meaning if it will work properly on the U50D it is better to do 
      it that way so that if/when you change to another XDP unit the changeover 
      will be very easy.
      
      If it won't work without routing it through the HU, well, then you have no 
      choice.  I would try to see if it will work the other way though from what 
      I've seen of the U50D hookups it sounds like it *may* not work that way :(
      
      Out of curiousity what CD changer was it?  I'm assuming it wasn't a digital 
      output model?  (If it were this dilemma could be easily solved by simply 
      hooking it up via an optical cable to the U50D).
      
      As for the louder output, it may be that the analog output (as well as the 
      digital output) from the C90 is at a higher level than the old XR-U700 
      (which it is--the C90 is 4V, I doubt the U700 was) and that makes a 
      difference, even with the XDP unit hooked up in the signal path.  I doubt 
      you're imagining things--I think it all has to do with the superior analog 
      output of the C90.
      
      (Note: If for any reason you hear distortion on musical peaks when using the 
      U50D you may actually have to attenuate the audio output from the C90!  This 
      can be done in the menu, by selecting a lower line-out level.  On most HUs 
      w/DSP control, analog or digital there are two settings a high and a low 
      one.  If the U50D is overloaded input-wise then you might hear distortion 
      and that is the way to cure it.  If you don't get any distortion then just 
      leave it as is.)
      
      Roland M.
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
RE: cd changer into aux input of C90
Date: 
Jan 19, 2004
      
      
      >    If it won't work without routing it through the HU, well, then you have 
      >no choice.  I would try to see if it will work the other way though from 
      >what I've seen of the U50D hookups it sounds like it *may* not work that 
      >way :(
      
      
      well, i've not tried to hook up the CD changer directly to the U50D as yet. 
      Yes, it is a pain, but i still have one pair of RCA's from the hu to xdp, 
      and also another pair for the CD to hu. Won't be hard to make one pair 
      redundant. :)
      
      But again, will it make a diff in SQ, if I were to go through the hu, as 
      opposed to the XDP?
      
      >    Out of curiousity what CD changer was it?  I'm assuming it wasn't a 
      >digital output model?  (If it were this dilemma could be easily solved by 
      >simply hooking it up via an optical cable to the U50D).
      
      
      Nah, can't seem to find any digital output changers with unilink controls 
      here (if they exist at all). I'm using the 757MX. It was the cheapest I 
      could find with MP3 and anti skip tech. I decided to do away with the stupid 
      opt cable thing even for the C90, can't seem to find the adapter here 
      easily.
      
      >    As for the louder output, it may be that the analog output (as well as 
      >the digital output) from the C90 is at a higher level than the old XR-U700 
      >(which it is--the C90 is 4V, I doubt the U700 was) and that makes a 
      >difference, even with the XDP unit hooked up in the signal path.  I doubt 
      >you're imagining things--I think it all has to do with the superior analog 
      >output of the C90.
      
      
      Well, i do think the C90 is superior, but according to old mags, the XR-U700 
      is in fact one of the first 4V preout hu's in the market. It even spanked 
      the pioneer ODR in nearly every test (save the looks).
      
      
      >    (Note: If for any reason you hear distortion on musical peaks when 
      >using the U50D you may actually have to attenuate the audio output from the 
      >C90!  This can be done in the menu, by selecting a lower line-out level.  
      >On most HUs w/DSP control, analog or digital there are two settings a high 
      >and a low one.  If the U50D is overloaded input-wise then you might hear 
      >distortion and that is the way to cure it.  If you don't get any distortion 
      >then just leave it as is.)
      >
      >Roland M.
      
      
      ah, that's something I couldn't seem to adjust, the VC, DVOL, etc, etc... 
      Imma have to refer to my manual again...
      there is a
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Jan 19, 2004
Subject: 
Re: RE: cd changer into aux input of C90
      
      
      In a message dated 1/19/04 8:35:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
      paikiah(at)hotmail.com writes:
      
      Nah, can't seem to find any digital output changers with unilink controls 
      here (if they exist at all). I'm using the 757MX. It was the cheapest I 
      could find with MP3 and anti skip tech. I decided to do away with the stupid 
      opt cable thing even for the C90, can't seem to find the adapter here 
      easily.
      
      I have a CDX-805 (actually 3) i could sell ya........... Digital output....
      
      
      Dan
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the
      XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true?  I'm
      having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm
      trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible.
      
      
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From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      There was a c90 faceplate like new on ebay, i think it's gone now though. :(
      
      -Brody
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: "Bobby Braun" <BOBBYBRAUN(at)COMCAST.NET>
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0600 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" 
      
      I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the 
      XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true?I'm 
      having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm 
      trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible. 
      
      
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From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      yeah, the guy pulled it early, I was going to bid, he decided to sell
      locally, god I hate ebay sometimes
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      >
      > There was a c90 faceplate like new on ebay, i think it's gone now though.
      :(
      >
      > -Brody
      >
      >
      > ----Original Message Follows---- 
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      > To: 
      > Subject: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0600
      >
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      >
      > I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the
      > XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true?I'm
      > having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm
      > trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible.
      >
      >
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Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      they still sell the cdx-c90 in japan
      
      "Bobby Braun" 
      
      I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the
      XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true? I'm
      having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm
      trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible.
      
      
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From: 
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Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      Supposedly repair is still available for the unit, as well as the face, but
      there are no replacement faces left.  I don't really mind, the replacement
      face was quoted at $180 before, and the repair is only $125, still, going
      weeks without my tunes, ouch. What a pain, I'm so glad sony decided to take
      the Xplod route, that means in a few years I won't have to deal with them
      ever again!
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      >
      > There was a c90 faceplate like new on ebay, i think it's gone now though.
      :(
      >
      > -Brody
      >
      >
      > ----Original Message Follows---- 
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      > To: 
      > Subject: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0600
      >
      > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" 
      >
      > I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the
      > XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true?I'm
      > having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm
      > trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible.
      >
      >
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From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      I think that is one of the reasons many affectionately refer to it as eGay.
      
      
      I wouldn't mind a new face for my C90 either. It looks pretty beat. I'd like to
      replace it with something newer but this unit is just so incredible matched with
      the 4000X. I can't dream of having anything less now that these units are
      so affordable. I'm interested in seeing how low the new Clarion DRZ9255 will go
      used. I may try to switch to that since it does EVERYTHING that I use with the
      c90/4000x combo now... I worry about the overall sound being as good though.
      I've never heard any in dash unit with as clear and separated images as my outboard
      4kX.
      
      
      -Brody
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: "Bobby Braun" <BOBBYBRAUN(at)COMCAST.NET>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:17:12 -0600 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" 
      
      yeah, the guy pulled it early, I was going to bid, he decided to sell 
      locally, god I hate ebay sometimes 
      
      Bobby 
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" <DREMGRAGEN(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
      
      
       -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" 
      
      
       There was a c90 faceplate like new on ebay, i think it's gone now though. 
      :( 
      
       -Brody 
      
      
       ----Original Message Follows---- 
       From: "Bobby Braun" <BOBBYBRAUN(at)COMCAST.NET>
       To: 
       Subject: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
       Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0600 
      
       -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" 
      
       I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the 
       XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true?I'm 
       having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm 
       trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible. 
      
      
       ----- Original Message ----- 
       From: "XDP4000X-List Digest Server" <XDP4000X-LIST-DIGEST(at)MATRONICS.COM>
       To: "XDP4000X-List Digest List" 
       Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/21/04 
      
      
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Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      glad I picked up the cdx-c90 and 2 face plats and 2 wireles remotes off ebay for
      250 when I could. HAHAHAHA !!!! sorry and will keep eye out locally for you
      though
      
      Z" 
      
      
      I think that is one of the reasons many affectionately refer to it as eGay.
      
      
      I wouldn't mind a new face for my C90 either. It looks pretty beat. I'd like to
      replace it with something newer but this unit is just so incredible matched with
      the 4000X. I can't dream of having anything less now that these units are
      so affordable. I'm interested in seeing how low the new Clarion DRZ9255 will go
      used. I may try to switch to that since it does EVERYTHING that I use with the
      c90/4000x combo now... I worry about the overall sound being as good though.
      I've never heard any in dash unit with as clear and separated images as my outboard
      4kX.
      
      
      -Brody
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: "Bobby Braun" 
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:17:12 -0600 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" 
      
      yeah, the guy pulled it early, I was going to bid, he decided to sell 
      locally, god I hate ebay sometimes 
      
      Bobby 
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" 
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
      
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" 
      
      
      There was a c90 faceplate like new on ebay, i think it's gone now though. 
      :( 
      
      -Brody 
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      From: "Bobby Braun" 
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available? 
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0600 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" 
      
      I heard somewhere in this forum this past month that the CDX-C90 and the 
      XDP-210EQ are still being sold in Korea or somewhere, is that true?I'm 
      having a hell of a time getting a replacement face for my deck, and I'm 
      trying to get Sony to help me out here, they're parts dept is horrible. 
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "XDP4000X-List Digest Server" 
      Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/21/04 
      
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:21:12 -0600
      >
      >
      >Supposedly repair is still available for the unit, as well as the face, but
      >there are no replacement faces left.  I don't really mind, the replacement
      >face was quoted at $180 before, and the repair is only $125, still, going
      >weeks without my tunes, ouch.
      
      Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it just need 
      a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
      
      Roland M.
      
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From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      The volume control became loose and didn't click anymore, probably the most
      common problem, happened over a year ago, was just waiting for a good
      opportunity to take care of it, (i.e. Ebay).  Overall the face was in great
      cosmetic condition for it's age, being on of the originals produced in 98.
      But, as I understood, the face was non-servicable, and that Sony only
      replaced them, guess I was wrong.
      
      bobby
      
      
      > Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it just
      need
      > a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
      >
      > Roland M.
      >
      
      
      
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From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      Mine stopped clicking too.  I like it to tell you the truth.  :)
      
      ----Original Message Follows----
      From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:12:29 -0600
      
      
      The volume control became loose and didn't click anymore, probably the most
      common problem, happened over a year ago, was just waiting for a good
      opportunity to take care of it, (i.e. Ebay).  Overall the face was in great
      cosmetic condition for it's age, being on of the originals produced in 98.
      But, as I understood, the face was non-servicable, and that Sony only
      replaced them, guess I was wrong.
      
      bobby
      
      
       > Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it just
      need
       > a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
       >
       > Roland M.
       >
      
      
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From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
      allow for very precise control.  It's doable, but driving down the road
      makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance.  Honestly, I just hate the fact
      that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things, since
      there isn't a scratch on anything I have.  Maybe someone understands?
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      > Mine stopped clicking too.  I like it to tell you the truth.  :)
      >
      > ----Original Message Follows----
      > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      > To: 
      > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:12:29 -0600
      >
      
      >
      > The volume control became loose and didn't click anymore, probably the
      most
      > common problem, happened over a year ago, was just waiting for a good
      > opportunity to take care of it, (i.e. Ebay).  Overall the face was in
      great
      > cosmetic condition for it's age, being on of the originals produced in 98.
      > But, as I understood, the face was non-servicable, and that Sony only
      > replaced them, guess I was wrong.
      >
      > bobby
      >
      >
      >  > Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it just
      > need
      >  > a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
      >  >
      >  > Roland M.
      >  >
      >
      >
      > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!
      > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418
      >
      >
      
      
      
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From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      I understand.  I knew about the faceplate on ebay because mines' not perfect 
      and I want it to be.
      
      Thinking about replacing my Zapco amps because they aren't flawless anymore.
      
      Thought about changing the C90 and 4000X out cause they're not new anymore.
      
      Blah I need to learn to be happy with what I have instead of want want want 
      all the time.
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows----
      From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:45:55 -0600
      
      
      It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
      allow for very precise control.  It's doable, but driving down the road
      makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance.  Honestly, I just hate the fact
      that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things, since
      there isn't a scratch on anything I have.  Maybe someone understands?
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
       >
       > Mine stopped clicking too.  I like it to tell you the truth.  :)
       >
       > ----Original Message Follows----
       > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
       > To: 
       > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
       > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:12:29 -0600
       >
      
       >
       > The volume control became loose and didn't click anymore, probably the
      most
       > common problem, happened over a year ago, was just waiting for a good
       > opportunity to take care of it, (i.e. Ebay).  Overall the face was in
      great
       > cosmetic condition for it's age, being on of the originals produced in 
      98.
       > But, as I understood, the face was non-servicable, and that Sony only
       > replaced them, guess I was wrong.
       >
       > bobby
       >
       >
       >  > Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it 
      just
       > need
       >  > a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
       >  >
       >  > Roland M.
       >  >
       >
       >
       > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!
       > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418
       >
       >
      
      
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From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      In a message dated 1/22/04 3:45:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
      mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
      Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it just need 
      a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
      
      Roland M.
      
      My C910's volume control has sh*t the bed as well........... After 3 attempts 
      to get the right part from Sony..... i just gave up......... mine still 
      clicks.... but it just has a mind of its own........ it can go from 20 to nearly
      
      max volume by barely moving it sometimes...... so yes, i am annoyed....... and
      i 
      have a couple extra faceplate parts that i have no use 
      for........somewhere......once i re-install everything, i will hook up the wired
      remote 
      sometime.......that should get rid of that problem...... though, i would love to
      have my 
      dial work too......... 
      
      
      Dan
      
      
      
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From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
Subject: 
4 Way front stage........
      
      
      OK guys.... talk me out of this.... but here's what i have in 
      mind.........after a $5700 encounter with a deer.... i Decided to remove all my
      equipment 
      when my car was being fixed...... and of course, as you all may know, ideas and
      
      thoughts change as you're not having your car...... currently i was using for 
      my front stage a set of Focal 165 EX Mistral line 3 ways.....Great 
      speakers............ now...... i have picked up a set of 8" Mackie Studio Monitor
      (vifa) 
      8" speakers for midbass........    and here are my thoughts....... i also 
      picked up an A/D/S P4100 amp to help me accomplish this............
      
      
      My new Concept:
      
      A/D/S P4100        (100 X 4 @ 4 ohms) powering..................:
      
      both right and left 8" midbass X'd over from somewhere around 50-250 hz..... 
      each at 100 watts.....
      
      Both front 165mm Focal Midbass drivers X'd over 250hz or so to 500hz.....   
      each also @100 watts...
      
      A/D/S PQ 20 (80 X 4) powering.....       one of the best amps ever made btw 
      imho..........
      
      both right and left 110mm midranges (amazing speakers) X'd over somewhere 
      between whatever my available options are with the XDP (memory is failing me 
      right now).
      
      both right and left tweets from i believe 4k up...............
      
      
      What are your thoughts?  Pro's and con's???   any help or advice would be 
      appreciated.......
      
      
      Dan
      
      
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:45:55 -0600
      >
      >
      >It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
      >allow for very precise control.  It's doable, but driving down the road
      >makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance.  Honestly, I just hate the 
      >fact
      >that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things, 
      >since
      >there isn't a scratch on anything I have.  Maybe someone understands?
      >
      >
      
      Yeah I understand--I would get quite irritated with that problem as well.  
      You know it is strange how the C90s volume control seems to be so 
      problematic.  It *appears* to use the same volume knob (internally) as do 
      other models like the C480/580/680/780/880/7850 etc. but those I haven't 
      heard many problems about.  (Then again there is no forum specifically aimed 
      at models like those).  I know that the older encoder on the C910/XR-C900 
      felt a little "unsure" even when new and I could imagine that after years of 
      good use it might get a little messed up.  But the ones (actually the same 
      one) on my XR-C9100 and CDX-C7850 units seem pretty durable.  I guess they 
      must have used something slightly different on the C90 although it looks the 
      same...
      
      Does anyone have the service manual for the C90 by any chance?  It would 
      show the part number for the (internal) rotary encoder in the FP so ppl 
      would know which part to order (if they wanted to fix it themselves that 
      is).  I'll try and see what Sony DAPC says...
      
      Roland M.
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      Hmm, well I couldn't find the rotary encoder (internal part) on 
      partsolver.com, but I did see something I *think* might be rather 
      interesting.  Now I don't know a whole lot about part description suffixes 
      but here is what I make of this...
      
      Original optical pickup (aka laser) for the C90 was this part:
      
      884840202 PICK-UP, OPTICAL KSS-520A/J2NP (Price: ~$70)
      
      Replacement part for above part number(revised part):
      
      884840208 DEVICE, OPTICAL KSS-520A/K1 (Price: ~$50)
      
      Well not too expensive for a pickup really (which is a good thing) but I'm a 
      litte curious about the letters following the pickup name (KSS-520A)...  
      Like I said I don't know that much about the part descriptions, but I always 
      *thought* the ending letters in pickup names had something to do with the 
      country of manufacture.
      
      Could it be that the original pickup was made in Japan (J at the end of the 
      pickup name) and the newer, cheaper one is made in Korea (K at the end)?  Or 
      do those letters mean something else.  I know the part itself shouldn't be 
      any differnent because the letter after "520" would have changed from "A" to 
      "B" or something, right?  Then again I guess K does come after J in the 
      alphabet so maybe that could be it?
      
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From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
      
      
      yeah, that'd be great if that's something people could order.  Also, I
      wonder if the clear plexiglass cover of the face could be ordered and
      replaced, imagine, pretty much all of our faces would look pretty new if
      doing that fix.
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      > >From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      > >To: 
      > >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      > >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:45:55 -0600
      > >
      
      > >
      > >It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
      > >allow for very precise control.  It's doable, but driving down the road
      > >makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance.  Honestly, I just hate the
      > >fact
      > >that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things,
      > >since
      > >there isn't a scratch on anything I have.  Maybe someone understands?
      > >
      > >
      >
      > Yeah I understand--I would get quite irritated with that problem as well.
      > You know it is strange how the C90s volume control seems to be so
      > problematic.  It *appears* to use the same volume knob (internally) as do
      > other models like the C480/580/680/780/880/7850 etc. but those I haven't
      > heard many problems about.  (Then again there is no forum specifically
      aimed
      > at models like those).  I know that the older encoder on the C910/XR-C900
      > felt a little "unsure" even when new and I could imagine that after years
      of
      > good use it might get a little messed up.  But the ones (actually the same
      > one) on my XR-C9100 and CDX-C7850 units seem pretty durable.  I guess they
      > must have used something slightly different on the C90 although it looks
      the
      > same...
      >
      > Does anyone have the service manual for the C90 by any chance?  It would
      > show the part number for the (internal) rotary encoder in the FP so ppl
      > would know which part to order (if they wanted to fix it themselves that
      > is).  I'll try and see what Sony DAPC says...
      >
      > Roland M.
      >
      > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed
      >
      >
      
      
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      >
      >yeah, that'd be great if that's something people could order.  Also, I
      >wonder if the clear plexiglass cover of the face could be ordered and
      >replaced, imagine, pretty much all of our faces would look pretty new if
      >doing that fix.
      >
      
      Well the display lens is available as a part for every other Sony HU pretty 
      much so I would imagine you could get the lens for the C90 as well.  It 
      would probably be a little expensive though, maybe around $40-$60 I'm 
      guessing, since everything for the C90 is a little more expensive it seems 
      (except for the pickup which isn't badly priced but it isn't a C90-only 
      part--it works for a lot of other HUs).
      
      The one hitch might be that Sony (USA) might not have anymore of the lenses 
      left :(  They no longer have the C90 FP so who knows what else they are out 
      of :(
      
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Date: 
Jan 22, 2004
From: 
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 
CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available...
      
      
      If you want a new plastic faceplate for your C90, Sony Online parts has 
      them in stock and at a mere $107.59.  The part number is:
      
               X-3375-934-1    Panel Sub Assy, Front (US)
      
      Go to the following URL and in the upper right hand side of the page, 
      select the "Part or Accessory Number" radio button, and then enter the part 
      number above and get your credit card number ready!
      
               http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/web/index.jsp
      
      I've ordered lot's of spare parts from Sony this way and it works 
      great.  Stuff shows up fast and I've generally always been able to find 
      even the oddest of parts available.
      
      Here's some info on disassembling the C90:
      
               http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90ServiceManual.pdf
      
      Cheers,
      
      Matt Dralle
      
      
      At 10:35 PM 1/22/2004 Thursday, you wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >yeah, that'd be great if that's something people could order.  Also, I
      > >wonder if the clear plexiglass cover of the face could be ordered and
      > >replaced, imagine, pretty much all of our faces would look pretty new if
      > >doing that fix.
      > >
      >
      >Well the display lens is available as a part for every other Sony HU pretty
      >much so I would imagine you could get the lens for the C90 as well.  It
      >would probably be a little expensive though, maybe around $40-$60 I'm
      >guessing, since everything for the C90 is a little more expensive it seems
      >(except for the pickup which isn't badly priced but it isn't a C90-only
      >part--it works for a lot of other HUs).
      >
      >The one hitch might be that Sony (USA) might not have anymore of the lenses
      >left :(  They no longer have the C90 FP so who knows what else they are out
      >of :(
      
      
      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      
      
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available...
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and 
      >Available...
      >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:41:38 -0800
      >
      >
      >If you want a new plastic faceplate for your C90, Sony Online parts has
      >them in stock and at a mere $107.59.  The part number is:
      >
      
      LOL!  A "mere" $108, eh?  Well there goes my guess at the $60 range, lol...  
      Seems even the smallest part for the C90 is crazy expensive!  The "1-10" 
      number buttons ring in at a good $55 as well.  At these prices you may as 
      well buy a whole new FP (oh yeah but they are rare finds).
      
      Anyway, thanks for the S/M for the C90, Matt!  I don't have a C90 myself but 
      I was always interested in taking a look at it.  Always good to be able to 
      track down part costs in case you see one on eBay without certain parts 
      (e.g. trim ring, remote(s), etc.).  But it seems its a waste to even look up 
      the prices--they are pretty unreasonable...  I mean part costs are always a 
      tad on the expensive side but for the C90 they are beyond a "tad".  I guess 
      the best way to buy a C90 is to buy a *COMPLETE* one, with everything 
      included.
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      
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Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
From: 
Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      I have to jump in here on my faceplate problems.  All the controls still
      work, it's the display that has gone out.  I've disassembled and looked
      around, but can't see anything blatently wrong.
      
      And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN DIRECT
      SUNLIGHT.
      
      I figured I was in my own personal car audio purgatory.  Glad to see there
      are others here with me ;)
      
      scott
      
      On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Bobby Braun wrote:
      
      >
      > It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
      > allow for very precise control.  It's doable, but driving down the road
      > makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance.  Honestly, I just hate the fact
      > that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things, since
      > there isn't a scratch on anything I have.  Maybe someone understands?
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      > To: 
      > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >
      >
      > >
      > > Mine stopped clicking too.  I like it to tell you the truth.  :)
      > >
      > > ----Original Message Follows----
      > > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      > > To: 
      > > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:12:29 -0600
      > >
      > 
      > >
      > > The volume control became loose and didn't click anymore, probably the
      > most
      > > common problem, happened over a year ago, was just waiting for a good
      > > opportunity to take care of it, (i.e. Ebay).  Overall the face was in
      > great
      > > cosmetic condition for it's age, being on of the originals produced in 98.
      > > But, as I understood, the face was non-servicable, and that Sony only
      > > replaced them, guess I was wrong.
      > >
      > > bobby
      > >
      > >
      > >  > Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again?  Did it just
      > > need
      > >  > a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
      > >  >
      > >  > Roland M.
      > >  >
      > >
      > >
      > > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!
      > > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      -- 
      Scott Walters
      -PacketPusher
      
      
      
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From: 
"Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available...
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      I was looking at the C90 service manual, and on the second page it shows 
      that you can use a cotton swab to clean the objective lens...is this 
      something I can do myself? Or do I have to pull the C90 apart to get to it?  
      I'd imagine that after about 3-4 yrs of use the lens has probalby gotten 
      dirty.
      
      Any other mainteance tips you guys use that other should know about?
      
      Thanks,
      Mike
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows----
      From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available...
      Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:41:38 -0800
      
      
      If you want a new plastic faceplate for your C90, Sony Online parts has
      them in stock and at a mere $107.59.  The part number is:
      
                X-3375-934-1    Panel Sub Assy, Front (US)
      
      Go to the following URL and in the upper right hand side of the page,
      select the "Part or Accessory Number" radio button, and then enter the part
      number above and get your credit card number ready!
      
                http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/web/index.jsp
      
      I've ordered lot's of spare parts from Sony this way and it works
      great.  Stuff shows up fast and I've generally always been able to find
      even the oddest of parts available.
      
      Here's some info on disassembling the C90:
      
                http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90ServiceManual.pdf
      
      Cheers,
      
      Matt Dralle
      
      
      At 10:35 PM 1/22/2004 Thursday, you wrote:
       >
      
       > >
       > >yeah, that'd be great if that's something people could order.  Also, I
       > >wonder if the clear plexiglass cover of the face could be ordered and
       > >replaced, imagine, pretty much all of our faces would look pretty new if
       > >doing that fix.
       > >
       >
       >Well the display lens is available as a part for every other Sony HU 
      pretty
       >much so I would imagine you could get the lens for the C90 as well.  It
       >would probably be a little expensive though, maybe around $40-$60 I'm
       >guessing, since everything for the C90 is a little more expensive it seems
       >(except for the pickup which isn't badly priced but it isn't a C90-only
       >part--it works for a lot of other HUs).
       >
       >The one hitch might be that Sony (USA) might not have anymore of the 
      lenses
       >left :(  They no longer have the C90 FP so who knows what else they are 
      out
       >of :(
      
      
      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available...
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      >
      >I was looking at the C90 service manual, and on the second page it shows
      >that you can use a cotton swab to clean the objective lens...is this
      >something I can do myself? Or do I have to pull the C90 apart to get to it?
      >I'd imagine that after about 3-4 yrs of use the lens has probalby gotten
      >dirty.
      >
      >Any other mainteance tips you guys use that other should know about?
      >
      >Thanks,
      >Mike
      >
      
      Well it is something you can do yourself on most CD players but on a car one 
      you will indeed have to disassemble a good bit of the mechanism to get to 
      the lens.  Usually for cars, you'd be okay using a commercially available 
      Lens-Cleaner CD...
      
      As for other maintenance, depending on the environment and how much you 
      attach/remove the FP you may want to periodically clean the contacts on the 
      FP and on the HU with a q-tip and alcohol (just as with the lens).
      
      Can't really think of anything else...  I would advise not to touch the FP 
      controls/buttons with dirty/oily/greasy hands though.  Oils from foods and 
      car chemicals can accelerate wear on the FP buttons by eroding the 
      coating/paint on them.  The older Sony HUs were bad for button coatings 
      wearing off, but the newer ones are pretty good as far as I've seen...
      
      Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. 
      
      
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      >
      >
      >
      >I have to jump in here on my faceplate problems.  All the controls still
      >work, it's the display that has gone out.  I've disassembled and looked
      >around, but can't see anything blatently wrong.
      >
      >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN DIRECT
      >SUNLIGHT.
      >
      >I figured I was in my own personal car audio purgatory.  Glad to see there
      >are others here with me ;)
      >
      >scott
      >
      
      The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or 
      frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or was that 
      someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?  If so, I'd 
      suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire on 
      the little box leading out of the main unit.
      
      You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to see if 
      the lighting comes on.
      
      If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be 
      something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
      
      Roland M.
      
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Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
From: 
Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN DIRECT
      > >SUNLIGHT.
      >
      > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
      > frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or was that
      > someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
      
      Someone else.
      
      > If so, I'd
      > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire on
      > the little box leading out of the main unit.
      
      I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can look
      again.
      
      > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to see if
      > the lighting comes on.
      
      That *used* to work.
      
      > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
      > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
      
      I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
      
      -- 
      Scott Walters
      -PacketPusher
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      Well, in couple weeks when I get my face back I'll be sure to comment on the
      workmanship from Sony, I did request to have the crystal lens replaced as
      well, as it was showing some wear, we'll see what they do for my $125.00.  I
      let y'all know.
      
      Bobby
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Scott Walters" <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      
      >
      > > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN
      DIRECT
      > > >SUNLIGHT.
      > >
      > > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
      > > frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or was
      that
      > > someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
      >
      > Someone else.
      >
      > > If so, I'd
      > > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire
      on
      > > the little box leading out of the main unit.
      >
      > I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can look
      > again.
      >
      > > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to
      see if
      > > the lighting comes on.
      >
      > That *used* to work.
      >
      > > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
      > > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
      >
      > I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
      >
      > -- 
      > Scott Walters
      > -PacketPusher
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      I have tje service manual for the xdp-4000x and that cdx-c90 and the xm-7557.
      
      M" 
      
      >From: "Bobby Braun" 
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:45:55 -0600
      >
      >
      >It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
      >allow for very precise control. It's doable, but driving down the road
      >makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance. Honestly, I just hate the 
      >fact
      >that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things, 
      >since
      >there isn't a scratch on anything I have. Maybe someone understands?
      >
      >
      
      Yeah I understand--I would get quite irritated with that problem as well. 
      You know it is strange how the C90s volume control seems to be so 
      problematic. It *appears* to use the same volume knob (internally) as do 
      other models like the C480/580/680/780/880/7850 etc. but those I haven't 
      heard many problems about. (Then again there is no forum specifically aimed 
      at models like those). I know that the older encoder on the C910/XR-C900 
      felt a little "unsure" even when new and I could imagine that after years of 
      good use it might get a little messed up. But the ones (actually the same 
      one) on my XR-C9100 and CDX-C7850 units seem pretty durable. I guess they 
      must have used something slightly different on the C90 although it looks the 
      same...
      
      Does anyone have the service manual for the C90 by any chance? It would 
      show the part number for the (internal) rotary encoder in the FP so ppl 
      would know which part to order (if they wanted to fix it themselves that 
      is). I'll try and see what Sony DAPC says...
      
      Roland M.
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      >
      >
      > > If so, I'd
      > > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire 
      >on
      > > the little box leading out of the main unit.
      >
      >I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can look
      >again.
      >
      
      Scott, the inverter isn't in the FP, it is a cord that comes off the HU main 
      body and leads to a small box (usually has a yellow sticker on it)--make 
      sure the wires for that box are not pinched or cut in any way.
      
      > > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
      > > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
      >
      >I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
      >
      
      Well that is kinda what I meant, the electronics within the FP regulating 
      the backlight to turn on...
      
      However this reminds me of a problem I had breifly with my C7850 (or was it 
      the XR-C9100? can't remember now) but anyway I had a similar problem...  The 
      display wouldn't come on but the controls would light up and some of them 
      operated okay, but the display was off.  It happened all of a sudden one day 
      and I didn't know why.  Pressing on the FP at the top corners intermittently 
      turned on the display, but that was obviously no solution.
      
      I examined and opened the external inverter and nothing looked fried or out 
      of place in there so I re-assembled it. (Note the external inverter says 
      "never disassemble" but you can't really hurt anything by popping the thing 
      open.  Just as long as you don't crack the inverter board or something 
      inside--very difficult to do--it'll be fine).
      
      So I opened the HU (there was nothing wrong with the FP, by the way) and 
      then I found the wires from the external inverter box lead to an area up at 
      the front of the HU where the FP mounts.  It was a heat-sink-like thing that 
      had some thermal paste (white stuff) on it and also what looked to me like a 
      thermistor on top as well.  So I fiddled around with that, gently pushing on 
      it and I moved the thermistor a bit (it looked a little bent out of place) 
      and found with the FP connected it would come on by gently pushing on that 
      area.  So I got to where the FP was on properly again and left it like that. 
        After that the FP worked fine.  In fact the display has never gone out on 
      me again and that was probably about 8-9 months ago I'd say.
      
      I dunno if the failure of the C90's FP is caused by the same thing, but it 
      sounds similar.  But do check the inverter cord first as I've heard of ppl 
      who had the wire on that cut or pinched and the display go out on them.
      
      Also if you haven't already done so, clean the contacts on the HU and FP 
      with some isopropyl alcohol and a q-tip...
      
      Roland M.
      
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From: 
"Patrick Freeland" <ultra_19(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
(Reply) 4 way front stage
Date: 
Jan 23, 2004
      
      
      sounds like a great plan Dan.  The four way setup is fun, cause there is 
      more to tweek and play with, as well as more power can be optomized.
      Here is my recommendation, or at least the way I have cometo improve my car. 
         I would recommend that for the midrange driver (assuming they are in the 
      kicks or a good location) that you set the midrange from 500 to 6K, instead 
      of 4K.  The reason for this is that your overall stereo image will be much 
      better if most of the sound can come from one central point.
      
      Hopefully I'm not rambling for nothing and that I am also not insulting your 
      audio intelligence.  But if you had only a 2 way set up (say tweet and 
      midrange)....you would obviously have 4 different speaker locations (2 left, 
      2 right).  Then lets say you hypothetically placed the x over at ik.  On the 
      left side, 1/2 of your image would be coming from the tweets speaker 
      location, and the other would come from the midrange.  And of coarse, the 
      same for the right side. Thus all your sound would be coming from 4 
      different places.  So basically 50% here, and 50% there on the left.  Same 
      for the right.  Your image would be sharper, better centered, and tonally 
      accurate if lets say 75% came from one of the drivers (midrange for 
      instance) and the other 25% came from the tweet.  In this case most of your 
      stereo image would be coming form 2 total spots (left and right).
      
      So by use of your crossovers, you should try to place as much sound as 
      possible into your two best placed speakers (usualy the midange..if in 
      kicks).  The trick is to maximize the amount of sound field to those 2 
      speaker locations.
      
      Also, it is always best to try to put your tweets as close to your midange 
      as possible, since this achieves a solid left and solid right for your 
      stereo image.  The midbass and down is not near as directional obviously, 
      which is why subs are in the rear and midbass speakers are not always angled 
      towards the listener.
      
      So again, i would place the midrange from 500k - 6k.  Your image will be 
      much sharper, and tuning wil be easier, since the sound waves are more 
      closly matched in terms of amplitude, arrival, and location.
      
        I like you midbass range.  Actually my setup is arranged with my midbass 
      playing 50- 200.  And the 4 way setup does sound very nice, though I want to 
      move my midbass closer to my tweet and midrange, thus maximizing the amount 
      of osund coming from one place left and right, which results in a better 
      stereo image.
      
      perhaps I am just feeling like rambling, and I'm sure your overall question 
      from your post was regading your amp usage, power, and the 4 way set up in 
      general.  best of luck.  I hit a deer with my car once too, and i ended up 
      getting new stuff as well.  Sucks to have the car hit, but fun to plan and 
      look at new options.  Give me a call if you ever want to talk.   561 
      379-5336
                                            ---------Patrick
      
      
      Patrick Freeland
      
      Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. 
      
      
      
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Date: 
Jan 24, 2004
From: 
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 
Excellent C90s on EBay!
      
      
      Hey guys,
      
      There's a great C90 on EBay right now.  Looks like its in perfect condition 
      according to the Pics and write up.  Its currently at $202 which is a great 
      price.  If I were in the market, I'd snap this baby up...
      
        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3073634818&category=39763
      
      Here's another one that looks like it may actually be brand new.  A little 
      on the pricey side at $405 currently, but still if its new, not a bad deal...
      
        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3072411029&category=39763
      
      And finally, here's one more that looks to be in awesome condition.  It 
      tips the scale at $459 currently, but if you want a C90 you have to have a C90!
      
        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3073355979&category=39763
      
      I'm amazed at how many excellent C90's there are available.  Pretty cool.
      
      Have fun.
      
      Matt Dralle
      
      
      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      
      
      
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From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Moving on...
Date: 
Jan 24, 2004
      
      
      Well guys, I've had my C90/4000X combo for a few years now.  It's brought me 
      a lot of enjoyment but I really want to try an active setup on my crossovers 
      and I don't feel like adding more junk in the trunk, so I'm thinking about 
      dumping my combo.  I also grow tired of struggling to read the C90 display 
      in the daytime.  Third, my CD transport slips and I have to assist my CDs 
      into and out of the unit.  I think this can be fixed by simply taking it 
      apart and cleaning the contacts though.
      
      Anyway...
      
      I don't know if any of you guys keep up with the market, but here are my 
      decided substitues:
      
      Clarion VRX935VD + Alpine PXA-H700
      Alpine DVA-7996 + Alpine PXA-H700
      Clarion DRZ9255
      
      Basically the 7996 and the 935VD do the same thing but the clarion has a 
      screen built in where I'd have to buy one for the Alpine.  Then again since 
      I'll be buying unauthorized over the internet, I don't know how safe it is 
      buying an in-dash tv unit where so many things can easily go wrong (moreso 
      than a regular headunit I think), but it's cheaper going the all-in-one 
      route than buying a tv separate for the 7996.  I am adding my PS2 so I will 
      need a tv in some way shape or form in the final install.
      
      The new 9255 does everything all in one, cd player and processor.  Killer 
      unit.  However I question the kind of sound quality I'll get out of the 
      unit.  Thing is, I've never heard any in-dash cd player that had the same 
      beautiful, full, spacious sound that the 4000X has.  I've a/b compared the 
      4000X with the c90 as many of you may have and you can tell the difference 
      quite easily.  I have faith in the H700, especially after learning that it 
      has the same output and DACs that the H900 has, just less features.  I do 
      not have faith in the in-dash all-in-one 9255 though.  I'd love to own it 
      though because man would it make installation a whole lot easier.
      
      Anyone have any thoughts, opinions, or better ideas?  I'm going to try to 
      make the best decision I possibly can and I AM on a budget here, so don't 
      even suggest something like the IVA D900.  :P
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. 
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Jan 29, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR 
      
      
      This Item is currently listed on e-bay does anyone have any details on what it
      actually does???
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: 
SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR 
Date: 
Jan 29, 2004
      
      
      It just allows you to run multiple digital sources, say 3 Sony changers
      all using digital out to an xdp pre amp.
      
      Complete RIP off IMHO at that price, you might as well make your own.
      
      Pete
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
      Thibault
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR 
      
      
      
      This Item is currently listed on e-bay does anyone have any details on
      what it actually does???
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Eli A." <ea62(at)msn.com>
Subject: 
SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR
Date: 
Jan 29, 2004
      
      
      I have one, it does this exactly: "It just allows you to run multiple digital sources,
      say 3 Sony changers
      all using digital out to an xdp pre amp." For me it helps cause I have a CD  MD
      changer, both with optical outs. 
      
      
      Eli
      
      
      RacerXRed.com
      ImportFX.netFrom: "Pete" <DABROW(at)ORANGE.NET>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com To: <XDP4000X-LIST(at)MATRONICS.COM>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:24:21 -0000  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Pete" <DABROW(at)ORANGE.NET> It just allows you to run multiple digital sources, say 3 Sony changers all using digital out to an xdp pre amp.  Complete RIP off IMHO at that price, you might as well make your own.  Pete  -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thibault To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com Subject: XDP4000X-List: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <TBONE7467(at)YAHOO.COM>  This Item is curren
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 30, 2004
      
      
      Hey all,
      
      A week ago or so we were talking about repair / replacement of the c90 face,
      and here is what I've found.  I just got my face back from Sony, well, at
      least they say it's my original face.  It looks brand new, everything is
      replaced, there's no connection marks on the back, no fading on the buttons,
      no scratches on the face or release button, wow!  On top of that, they sent
      a new case with it.  I'm thinking that they just replaced the whole thing,
      there's even a label on the back with the item number of the replacement
      face (cdx-c90fp) ha ha, but I could be wrong, who knows, as they say they
      don't have replacement faces available anymore.  Well, all I have to say is
      that, for $125.00, compared to what a used one would go for on Ebay or what
      Sony asked for, ($184.00 plus shipping for a replacement face) I'm
      satisfied.  My C90 looks brand new again!
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      
      >
      > Well, in couple weeks when I get my face back I'll be sure to comment on
      the
      > workmanship from Sony, I did request to have the crystal lens replaced as
      > well, as it was showing some wear, we'll see what they do for my $125.00.
      I
      > let y'all know.
      >
      > Bobby
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Scott Walters" <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
      > To: 
      > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >
      >
      > 
      > >
      > > > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN
      > DIRECT
      > > > >SUNLIGHT.
      > > >
      > > > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
      > > > frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or was
      > that
      > > > someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
      > >
      > > Someone else.
      > >
      > > > If so, I'd
      > > > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire
      > on
      > > > the little box leading out of the main unit.
      > >
      > > I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can
      look
      > > again.
      > >
      > > > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to
      > see if
      > > > the lighting comes on.
      > >
      > > That *used* to work.
      > >
      > > > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
      > > > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the
      backlight.
      > >
      > > I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
      > >
      > > -- 
      > > Scott Walters
      > > -PacketPusher
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 30, 2004
      
      
      How long was turn around?  I would consider doing this for $125 for THOSE 
      results.
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      ----Original Message Follows----
      From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:52:59 -0600
      
      
      Hey all,
      
      A week ago or so we were talking about repair / replacement of the c90 face,
      and here is what I've found.  I just got my face back from Sony, well, at
      least they say it's my original face.  It looks brand new, everything is
      replaced, there's no connection marks on the back, no fading on the buttons,
      no scratches on the face or release button, wow!  On top of that, they sent
      a new case with it.  I'm thinking that they just replaced the whole thing,
      there's even a label on the back with the item number of the replacement
      face (cdx-c90fp) ha ha, but I could be wrong, who knows, as they say they
      don't have replacement faces available anymore.  Well, all I have to say is
      that, for $125.00, compared to what a used one would go for on Ebay or what
      Sony asked for, ($184.00 plus shipping for a replacement face) I'm
      satisfied.  My C90 looks brand new again!
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      
       >
       > Well, in couple weeks when I get my face back I'll be sure to comment on
      the
       > workmanship from Sony, I did request to have the crystal lens replaced as
       > well, as it was showing some wear, we'll see what they do for my $125.00.
      I
       > let y'all know.
       >
       > Bobby
       >
       >
       > ----- Original Message -----
       > From: "Scott Walters" <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
       > To: 
       > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
       >
       >
       > 
       > >
       > > > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN
       > DIRECT
       > > > >SUNLIGHT.
       > > >
       > > > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
       > > > frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or was
       > that
       > > > someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
       > >
       > > Someone else.
       > >
       > > > If so, I'd
       > > > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter 
      wire
       > on
       > > > the little box leading out of the main unit.
       > >
       > > I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can
      look
       > > again.
       > >
       > > > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to
       > see if
       > > > the lighting comes on.
       > >
       > > That *used* to work.
       > >
       > > > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
       > > > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the
      backlight.
       > >
       > > I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
       > >
       > > --
       > > Scott Walters
       > > -PacketPusher
       > >
       > >
       >
       >
      
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR
Date: 
Jan 30, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR 
      >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:24:21 -0000
      >
      >
      >It just allows you to run multiple digital sources, say 3 Sony changers
      >all using digital out to an xdp pre amp.
      >
      >Complete RIP off IMHO at that price, you might as well make your own.
      >
      >Pete
      >
      
      The thing is you CAN'T make one--well it would be pretty darn hard!  The 
      price comes from it being VERY rare in North America...  Still $350-$400 is 
      excessive.  To have an understanding of the UniLink bus well enough to make 
      a Multi-Changer adapter is not easy--then you have to make the MCA and that 
      requires a lot of work including finding also very hard to find UniLink 
      female connectors!
      
      I guess what Pete *might* be trying to say is use an analog MCA (like the 
      XA-C30 or XA-U40--no "D") and then make your own (active) optical switcher.  
        You can even buy an active optical switcher, however they are also not 
      very cheap.  I'd imagine at least $150-$200 for a device like that...  You 
      could also go with a manual optical switcher and just change the source 
      yourself (some use push buttons and other more expensive ones you can use a 
      remote); but changing the digital source yourself is a little more involved 
      than just changing sources on the HU.
      
      One of these is not necessary for more than one changer, only for more than 
      one *digital* output changer to be connected via digital output.  You could 
      use a much cheaper XA-C30 or XA-U40 (discontinued) MCA for analog changers.  
      Furthermore if you have only one digital changer you could connect other 
      another analog changer(s) as well as the digital one using the standard 
      MCAs.  Only when you have more than one digital-output changer does it 
      become an issue.  Even then you *could* always go analog on the other 
      digital-out changer(s) keeping just one connected digitally...
      
      Roland M.
      
      Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed 
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 30, 2004
      
      
      >
      >Hey all,
      >
      >A week ago or so we were talking about repair / replacement of the c90 
      >face,
      >and here is what I've found.  I just got my face back from Sony, well, at
      >least they say it's my original face.  It looks brand new, everything is
      >replaced, there's no connection marks on the back, no fading on the 
      >buttons,
      >no scratches on the face or release button, wow!  On top of that, they sent
      >a new case with it.  I'm thinking that they just replaced the whole thing,
      >there's even a label on the back with the item number of the replacement
      >face (cdx-c90fp) ha ha, but I could be wrong, who knows, as they say they
      >don't have replacement faces available anymore.  Well, all I have to say is
      >that, for $125.00, compared to what a used one would go for on Ebay or what
      >Sony asked for, ($184.00 plus shipping for a replacement face) I'm
      >satisfied.  My C90 looks brand new again!
      >
      >
      
      Good to hear! :)  As for the $125 flat-rate from Sony USA there are a few 
      good things about it...  One is that it is $125 US flat-rate is a pretty 
      good rate.  It is also done by the Sony factory repair ppl so they usually 
      know what they are doing.  It applies to most of Sony electronics, provided 
      the item is within 7 years of its last market date (as determined by Sony).  
      It also covers return shipping which is nice and all parts and labour for 
      the repair.  The flat-rate is void, however if the unit was abused or 
      otherwise physically damaged (e.g it was dropped and broken that way), was 
      water damaged, etc.  It is also void if a non-Sony authorised repair was 
      performed/attempted prior to sending it to them.
      
      Really if your pickup was gone on the C90 you might have been able to send 
      the whole thing in and they would have refurbed the FP and repaired the C90 
      and sent it all back--all for $125!
      
      AFAIK Sony USA is the only one that offers this service, however.  I.e. it 
      isn't available in Canada.  Though what you could do if you were in Canada 
      is mail it to them in the US and have it mailed back to a US return 
      address...
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying
Date: 
Jan 30, 2004
      
      
      >
      >
      >Have your Fuel Caps engraved, it's permanent and easy to read. Aircraft 
      >Engravers has been engraving fuel caps for over 14 years.
      >You can see our web page at http://engravers.net/aircraft/fuel_caps.htm
      >Other types of engraving jobs can be viewed at 
      >http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm
      >There are a few sets of loaner fuel caps for the more common styles if your 
      >tanks are wet.
      >
      >FREE shipping by USPS Priority mail for all fuel cap engraving orders in 
      >the month of February.
      >
      
      LOL!  I'm guessing this is for Aircraft and NOT automobiles??? :) :D
      
      Ha, ha.  Yeah I understand Matronics is really an Aviation site and the XDP 
      list is just a small side-addition to it, but humorous nonetheless :P
      
      Roland M.
      
      Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. 
      http://wine.msn.com/
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      Just so you know, the pickup on my deck is perfect, must've been someone
      else you're thinking about, but you're right, if I had any other issues with
      my deck, they would've taken care of it also.  But the rest of my deck is
      mint, so, nothing to fix, thank god, for now neways!
      
      Bobby
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      
      > >
      > >Hey all,
      > >
      > >A week ago or so we were talking about repair / replacement of the c90
      > >face,
      > >and here is what I've found.  I just got my face back from Sony, well, at
      > >least they say it's my original face.  It looks brand new, everything is
      > >replaced, there's no connection marks on the back, no fading on the
      > >buttons,
      > >no scratches on the face or release button, wow!  On top of that, they
      sent
      > >a new case with it.  I'm thinking that they just replaced the whole
      thing,
      > >there's even a label on the back with the item number of the replacement
      > >face (cdx-c90fp) ha ha, but I could be wrong, who knows, as they say they
      > >don't have replacement faces available anymore.  Well, all I have to say
      is
      > >that, for $125.00, compared to what a used one would go for on Ebay or
      what
      > >Sony asked for, ($184.00 plus shipping for a replacement face) I'm
      > >satisfied.  My C90 looks brand new again!
      > >
      > >
      >
      > Good to hear! :)  As for the $125 flat-rate from Sony USA there are a few
      > good things about it...  One is that it is $125 US flat-rate is a pretty
      > good rate.  It is also done by the Sony factory repair ppl so they usually
      > know what they are doing.  It applies to most of Sony electronics,
      provided
      > the item is within 7 years of its last market date (as determined by
      Sony).
      > It also covers return shipping which is nice and all parts and labour for
      > the repair.  The flat-rate is void, however if the unit was abused or
      > otherwise physically damaged (e.g it was dropped and broken that way), was
      > water damaged, etc.  It is also void if a non-Sony authorised repair was
      > performed/attempted prior to sending it to them.
      >
      > Really if your pickup was gone on the C90 you might have been able to send
      > the whole thing in and they would have refurbed the FP and repaired the
      C90
      > and sent it all back--all for $125!
      >
      > AFAIK Sony USA is the only one that offers this service, however.  I.e. it
      > isn't available in Canada.  Though what you could do if you were in Canada
      > is mail it to them in the US and have it mailed back to a US return
      > address...
      >
      > Roland M.
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      Took 7 Days from the day I sent it, they even 2 day mailed it back to me,
      had I done the same when shipping to them, it would've been even faster! I
      can't believe it, the display is even brighter, you can almost see it in the
      sunlight now! If Sony didn't make such crap for car audio now, I'd be sold
      on them for life!
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      >
      > How long was turn around?  I would consider doing this for $125 for THOSE
      > results.
      >
      > -Brody Z.
      >
      > ----Original Message Follows----
      > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      > To: 
      > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:52:59 -0600
      >
      
      >
      > Hey all,
      >
      > A week ago or so we were talking about repair / replacement of the c90
      face,
      > and here is what I've found.  I just got my face back from Sony, well, at
      > least they say it's my original face.  It looks brand new, everything is
      > replaced, there's no connection marks on the back, no fading on the
      buttons,
      > no scratches on the face or release button, wow!  On top of that, they
      sent
      > a new case with it.  I'm thinking that they just replaced the whole thing,
      > there's even a label on the back with the item number of the replacement
      > face (cdx-c90fp) ha ha, but I could be wrong, who knows, as they say they
      > don't have replacement faces available anymore.  Well, all I have to say
      is
      > that, for $125.00, compared to what a used one would go for on Ebay or
      what
      > Sony asked for, ($184.00 plus shipping for a replacement face) I'm
      > satisfied.  My C90 looks brand new again!
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      > To: 
      > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >
      >
      > 
      >  >
      >  > Well, in couple weeks when I get my face back I'll be sure to comment
      on
      > the
      >  > workmanship from Sony, I did request to have the crystal lens replaced
      as
      >  > well, as it was showing some wear, we'll see what they do for my
      $125.00.
      > I
      >  > let y'all know.
      >  >
      >  > Bobby
      >  >
      >  >
      >  > ----- Original Message -----
      >  > From: "Scott Walters" <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
      >  > To: 
      >  > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      >  >
      >  >
      >  > 
      >  > >
      >  > > > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN
      >  > DIRECT
      >  > > > >SUNLIGHT.
      >  > > >
      >  > > > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit
      (or
      >  > > > frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or
      was
      >  > that
      >  > > > someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
      >  > >
      >  > > Someone else.
      >  > >
      >  > > > If so, I'd
      >  > > > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter
      > wire
      >  > on
      >  > > > the little box leading out of the main unit.
      >  > >
      >  > > I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can
      > look
      >  > > again.
      >  > >
      >  > > > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP
      to
      >  > see if
      >  > > > the lighting comes on.
      >  > >
      >  > > That *used* to work.
      >  > >
      >  > > > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might
      be
      >  > > > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the
      > backlight.
      >  > >
      >  > > I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
      >  > >
      >  > > --
      >  > > Scott Walters
      >  > > -PacketPusher
      >  > >
      >  > >
      >  >
      >  >
      >
      >
      > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the
      max!
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      That is pretty impressive.  I'm glad to see that they gave you some VIP 
      treatment.  My deck has problems ejecting CDs (I have to assist CDs in and 
      out of the deck), the volume knob is wearing away, the lettering is wearing 
      off some of the buttons... makes me wonder if I could do without my deck for 
      a week and if they would doctor is up really nice like that.  Did you just 
      call their parts dept or something?
      
      -Brody Z.
      
      ----Original Message Follows----
      From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:53:41 -0600
      
      
      Took 7 Days from the day I sent it, they even 2 day mailed it back to me,
      had I done the same when shipping to them, it would've been even faster! I
      can't believe it, the display is even brighter, you can almost see it in the
      sunlight now! If Sony didn't make such crap for car audio now, I'd be sold
      on them for life!
      
      Bobby
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
       >
       >
       > How long was turn around?  I would consider doing this for $125 for THOSE
       > results.
       >
       > -Brody Z.
       >
       > ----Original Message Follows----
       > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
       > To: 
       > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
       > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:52:59 -0600
       >
      
       >
       > Hey all,
       >
       > A week ago or so we were talking about repair / replacement of the c90
      face,
       > and here is what I've found.  I just got my face back from Sony, well, at
       > least they say it's my original face.  It looks brand new, everything is
       > replaced, there's no connection marks on the back, no fading on the
      buttons,
       > no scratches on the face or release button, wow!  On top of that, they
      sent
       > a new case with it.  I'm thinking that they just replaced the whole 
      thing,
       > there's even a label on the back with the item number of the replacement
       > face (cdx-c90fp) ha ha, but I could be wrong, who knows, as they say they
       > don't have replacement faces available anymore.  Well, all I have to say
      is
       > that, for $125.00, compared to what a used one would go for on Ebay or
      what
       > Sony asked for, ($184.00 plus shipping for a replacement face) I'm
       > satisfied.  My C90 looks brand new again!
       >
       >
       > ----- Original Message -----
       > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
       > To: 
       > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
       >
       >
       > 
       >  >
       >  > Well, in couple weeks when I get my face back I'll be sure to comment
      on
       > the
       >  > workmanship from Sony, I did request to have the crystal lens replaced
      as
       >  > well, as it was showing some wear, we'll see what they do for my
      $125.00.
       > I
       >  > let y'all know.
       >  >
       >  > Bobby
       >  >
       >  >
       >  > ----- Original Message -----
       >  > From: "Scott Walters" <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
       >  > To: 
       >  > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
       >  >
       >  >
       >  > 
       >  > >
       >  > > > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN
       >  > DIRECT
       >  > > > >SUNLIGHT.
       >  > > >
       >  > > > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit
      (or
       >  > > > frontlit), correct?  (Does it use EL?)  Didn't you have 2 FPs or
      was
       >  > that
       >  > > > someone else?  If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
       >  > >
       >  > > Someone else.
       >  > >
       >  > > > If so, I'd
       >  > > > suspect the dispay inverter.  Check for a pinched or cut inverter
       > wire
       >  > on
       >  > > > the little box leading out of the main unit.
       >  > >
       >  > > I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I 
      can
       > look
       >  > > again.
       >  > >
       >  > > > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP
      to
       >  > see if
       >  > > > the lighting comes on.
       >  > >
       >  > > That *used* to work.
       >  > >
       >  > > > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might
      be
       >  > > > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the
       > backlight.
       >  > >
       >  > > I don't think so.  I think it is def in the FP.
       >  > >
       >  > > --
       >  > > Scott Walters
       >  > > -PacketPusher
       >  > >
       >  > >
       >  >
       >  >
       >
       >
       > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the
      max!
       >
       >
      
      
      Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the max! 
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      >
      >Just so you know, the pickup on my deck is perfect, must've been someone
      >else you're thinking about, but you're right, if I had any other issues 
      >with
      >my deck, they would've taken care of it also.  But the rest of my deck is
      >mint, so, nothing to fix, thank god, for now neways!
      >
      >Bobby
      
      LOL well that is what I meant really (what you said in your second part).  I 
      didn't mean to imply there was something wrong with your pickup just meant 
      to say what you said in the above--*IF* you did have something else wrong 
      with it (say the pickup for *example*) they probably would have fixed that 
      too, all for the same price :)
      
      The C90 is very well built though and the pickups from that era of Sony 
      decks are pretty bulletproof.  Unfortunately they don't seem to play CD-RW 
      (well at least my C7850 can't)--not a big deal though, most ppl don't use 
      CD-RW much, especially for music CD format as most CD players can't read 
      them...
      
      In any case I doubt you'd have anything else ever go wrong with the C90 for 
      the remainder of its service--if anything I bet the volume control will go 
      again before anything else ever does, LOL!
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      I just called the 800 number on sony's website under contact for car audio.
      Here's the number if you or anyone else is interested.
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      >
      > That is pretty impressive.  I'm glad to see that they gave you some VIP
      > treatment.  My deck has problems ejecting CDs (I have to assist CDs in and
      > out of the deck), the volume knob is wearing away, the lettering is
      wearing
      > off some of the buttons... makes me wonder if I could do without my deck
      for
      > a week and if they would doctor is up really nice like that.  Did you just
      > call their parts dept or something?
      >
      > -Brody Z.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      Sorry Roland,
      
      I thought I remembered someone else talking about how their c90 wouldn't
      read cd's anymore or something of the sort. I missed your point in the
      beginning.
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      > LOL well that is what I meant really (what you said in your second part).
      I
      > didn't mean to imply there was something wrong with your pickup just meant
      > to say what you said in the above--*IF* you did have something else wrong
      > with it (say the pickup for *example*) they probably would have fixed that
      > too, all for the same price :)
      >
      > The C90 is very well built though and the pickups from that era of Sony
      > decks are pretty bulletproof.  Unfortunately they don't seem to play CD-RW
      > (well at least my C7850 can't)--not a big deal though, most ppl don't use
      > CD-RW much, especially for music CD format as most CD players can't read
      > them...
      >
      > In any case I doubt you'd have anything else ever go wrong with the C90
      for
      > the remainder of its service--if anything I bet the volume control will go
      > again before anything else ever does, LOL!
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      In a message dated 1/31/04 9:58:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
      bobbybraun(at)comcast.net writes:
      I just called the 800 number on sony's website under contact for car audio.
      Here's the number if you or anyone else is interested.
      
      
      Um....... where is the #? :)
      
      
      Dan
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 still available?
Date: 
Jan 31, 2004
      
      
      ha ha, just teasing, no. Guess I didn't look after I tried to paste it, here
      you go.
      1-800-222-7669
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <NOTGSXR(at)aol.com>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
      
      
      >
      > In a message dated 1/31/04 9:58:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
      > bobbybraun(at)comcast.net writes:
      > I just called the 800 number on sony's website under contact for car
      audio.
      > Here's the number if you or anyone else is interested.
      >
      >
      > Um....... where is the #? :)
      >
      >
      > Dan
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Feb 02, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" 
            
            Radio broadcasting has differences between USA and Europe. Because of
            that digitally tuning radios bought form USA do not work well in Europe
            and in the other way around too. 
            
            North American FM broadcast channels are on multiples of odd 200KHz
            frequencies: 99.5MHz, 100.1MHz, etc. In Europe, channels can be on any
            multiple of 100KHz, even or odd. 
            also
            FM stations in Europe use 75 microseconds pre-emphasis
            FM stations in North America use 50 microseconds pre-emphasis
            For AM, the difference is 10 kHz steps in the US vs. 9 kHz steps in
            Europe.
            
            This means that a digitally tuning radio from the USA will not tune
            European stations properly. Frequency synthesizing tuners in Europe do
            their actual tuning in shorter steps (for example 25 kHz). 
            
            For program type information 
            Europe uses RDS - Radio Data System; developed by European Broadcasting
            Union (EBU)
            US uses RBDS - Radio Broadcast Data System; developed by National Radio
            Systems Committee (NRSC)
            
            For digital/satellite radio
            US uses XM
            Europe uses DAB
            
            Sony has DAB-100 Unilink DAB tuner (~$1100) for Europe and XT-XM1
            Unilink XM Satellite Tuner (~$175 at crutchfield) for US.
            
            CDX-C90R can control DAB-100 and has RDS support.
            
            I'm not sure if CDX-C90 can control XT-XM1.
            Supposedly XT-XM1 can be controlled by 2000-and up Sony receivers with
            changer controls (except the CDX-CA400 and WX-4500X)
            
            In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
            It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
            European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
            up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
            
            If anyone tested the XT-XM1 with CDX-C90, please tell..
            Also if anyone tested the XT-63V with CDX-C90, please tell..
            
            XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
            receiver/monitor 
            
            ToR.
      
      
      ---My question is this  ---  anyone tested the XT-63V with CDX-C90, please tell..
            
            XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
            receiver/monitor 
      
      what feature will I lose if I tried to hook up a xav-7w to my CDX-C90. I was told
      that the unilink protocal was diffrent.
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
Stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
Date: 
Feb 02, 2004
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      any good sony service center can switch european radio tuners to us and vice 
      versa......I worked at a sony distributor/service center for 5 years and we 
      did it for thousands of radios for the european boat market.
      If you have any needs for this service call CPS Marketing in Kansas City  
      816-241-2552
      
      Paul
      stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
Date: 
Feb 02, 2004
      
      
      >
      >XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" 
      >
      >       For program type information
      >       Europe uses RDS - Radio Data System; developed by European 
      >Broadcasting
      >       Union (EBU)
      >       US uses RBDS - Radio Broadcast Data System; developed by National 
      >Radio
      >       Systems Committee (NRSC)
      >
      Well I understand that there are differences in stepping and frequency range 
      and I don't know how much work/parts is involved in switching a unit to the 
      other stepping/frequency range, but as offered by another lister, it can be 
      done by someone who knows the Sony mobile gear and the tuner sections in 
      them...
      
      What I *didn't* know was that RDS was actually slightly different in Europe 
      than it was in NA.  I wonder if US RDS and Canadian RDS (in rare use in both 
      countries anyway) is the same.  Regardless I'm pretty sure that a Canadian 
      car with RDS picks up US RDS fine and vice versa...  Furthermore I remember 
      coming across somone online that was a technician for electronics and 
      changed his US XR-C900 to be RDS capable and it worked fine (in the US) he 
      said.  He said there were a few parts that needed to be changed, much like 
      what I believe the other lister was talking about regarding the 
      conversion...
      
      
      >       For digital/satellite radio
      >       US uses XM
      >       Europe uses DAB
      >
      >       Sony has DAB-100 Unilink DAB tuner (~$1100) for Europe and XT-XM1
      >       Unilink XM Satellite Tuner (~$175 at crutchfield) for US.
      >
      >       CDX-C90R can control DAB-100 and has RDS support.
      >
      >       I'm not sure if CDX-C90 can control XT-XM1.
      >       Supposedly XT-XM1 can be controlled by 2000-and up Sony receivers 
      >with
      >       changer controls (except the CDX-CA400 and WX-4500X)
      >
      >       In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
      >       It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
      >       European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered 
      >an
      >       up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
      >
      >       If anyone tested the XT-XM1 with CDX-C90, please tell..
      >       Also if anyone tested the XT-63V with CDX-C90, please tell..
      >
      >       XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
      >       receiver/monitor
      >
      >       ToR.
      >
      >
      
      Well we know for sure that the XT-XM1 will work with the C90 because several 
      listers actually have a XM1 connected to it.  I believe it functions as a 
      MiniDisc changer (?) on the C90...  It is true that all Sony units from 2000 
      and up (i.e. Xplod) with changer control can control the XM tuner but there 
      are several other models, like the C90, that can as well.  The dumb thing is 
      that Sony never released that info!  They could have made it very easy by 
      just making a list of units it will work with but they never did!  Instead 
      they just say that "most" units from 98 (or was it 99) will control it and 
      that all units specifiying "XM Ready" will also control it.
      
      I wonder if the CDX-C680/C780/C880 would be able to control the XM tuner, 
      but I would think the C7850 and C8850 should be able to without problems 
      because they were actually a year later than the C90 and if the C90 can do 
      it I don't see why later designed units wouldn't be able to as well.
      
      As for the C90R and whether the C90R can control the XM tuner or vice versa 
      (if the C90 can control the DAB tuner), that I don't know.  UniLink is quite 
      intuitive, despite the fact that little is known about it, so I would 
      imagine that the DAB tuner would work similar to the XM tuner and show up as 
      an MD unit?  In that case I'd imagine it would be cross compatible...
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
Stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
Date: 
Feb 02, 2004
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      it is actually very cheap to change the tuner ...all that is needed is a 
      couple of caps and an o-scope.....Heath (our old service tech) could knock out
      50 
      conversions in a 8 hour work day :>
      
      Paul
      stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
From: 
Christof Gommers <christof.gommers(at)easynet.be>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      Scott Thibault wrote:
      
      > In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
      > It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
      > European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
      > up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
      
      The CDX-C90R is also discontinued in Europe and they switched to the 
      Xplod junk.
      
      Christof.
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
Date: 
Feb 02, 2004
      
      
      So is or isn't the C90 discontinued in Europe, I hear it's still available
      in Japan.  What's the deal?
      
      Bobby
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Christof Gommers" <christof.gommers(at)easynet.be>
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      
      >
      > Scott Thibault wrote:
      >
      > > In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
      > > It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
      > > European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
      > > up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
      >
      > The CDX-C90R is also discontinued in Europe and they switched to the
      > Xplod junk.
      >
      > Christof.
      >
      >
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
      
      
      >So is or isn't the C90 discontinued in Europe, I hear it's still available
      >in Japan.  What's the deal?
      >
      >Bobby
      >
      >
      
      It is still available brand new in Japan, but the tuner section is 
      different, wont' work in the US. (I'm guessing it's prolly the c90r then).
      
      FYI, the XDP-210EQ is still available in Japan too.
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      it is still availible in the asian market from my understanding and the japanese
      (sony) car audio site still lists the CDX-C90 as an option
      
      "Bobby Braun" 
      
      So is or isn't the C90 discontinued in Europe, I hear it's still available
      in Japan. What's the deal?
      
      Bobby
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Christof Gommers" 
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      >
      > Scott Thibault wrote:
      >
      > > In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
      > > It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
      > > European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
      > > up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
      >
      > The CDX-C90R is also discontinued in Europe and they switched to the
      > Xplod junk.
      >
      > Christof.
      >
      >
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: 
cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
      
      
      The cdx-c90 is available in Japan yes, the cdx-c90r (European) is no
      longer available. Euro rrp in the UK was 1050 - $1600+
      
      REF:
      
      So is or isn't the C90 discontinued in Europe, I hear it's still
      available
      in Japan. What's the deal?
      
      Bobby
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Christof Gommers" 
      Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      
      
      >
      > Scott Thibault wrote:
      >
      > > In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
      > > It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
      > > European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered
      an
      > > up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
      >
      > The CDX-C90R is also discontinued in Europe and they switched to the
      > Xplod junk.
      >
      > Christof.
      >
      >
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
From: 
Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
CDX-C90 and the XAV-7W
      
      
      Here is my question:
      
      I was told that the XAV-7w would not work with the CDX-c90. do to the unilink protocols
      being diffrent. What functionality will I lose if I still choose this
      set up?? I want the display as I want a motorized display for my CDX_C90 (xt-40v).
      I want to add a camera and a laptop for gps and dvd playback. is this going
      to be possible or should I look for another option??
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
CDX-C90 and the XAV-7W
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
      
      
      >
      >
      >Here is my question:
      >
      >I was told that the XAV-7w would not work with the CDX-c90. do to the 
      >unilink protocols being diffrent. What functionality will I lose if I still 
      >choose this set up?? I want the display as I want a motorized display for 
      >my CDX_C90 (xt-40v). I want to add a camera and a laptop for gps and dvd 
      >playback. is this going to be possible or should I look for another 
      >option??
      >
      >
      
      Correct it won't work with the C90.  The XAV-7W is a HU on its own.  It is 
      screen driven with a remote and has UniLink changer control.  I'm pretty 
      sure it can't be controlled on its own.  That would be like trying to 
      connect two HUs together I think (unless the XAV-7W has an external pre-amp 
      box???).
      
      However you could use the C90/XT-40V combo with the 7W as a video input 
      source, but there wouldn't be any cross-control functionality. The C90 would 
      not be able control the 7W and the reverse wouldn't work either I don't 
      think.
      
      Since you'd likely not use all the functionality of the XAV-7W (like the 
      changer control, volume control, etc.) then you might be better off buying a 
      screen from another manufacturer that is just a motorised screen and nothing 
      else...
      
      Roland M.
      
      High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet 
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
Date: 
Feb 03, 2004
      
      
      Really?  That doesn't sound too hard.  Can NA (non-RDS) units be modified 
      for RDS support just as easily?
      
      Roland M.
      
      
      >From: Stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
      >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:39:09 EST
      >
      >
      >it is actually very cheap to change the tuner ...all that is needed is a
      >couple of caps and an o-scope.....Heath (our old service tech) could knock 
      >out 50
      >conversions in a 8 hour work day :>
      >
      >Paul
      >stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
      >
      >
      
      Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. 
      http://wine.msn.com/
      
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: 
Feb 05, 2004
From: 
Randy Visentine <jvisentine(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 
Thoughts on Planar Drivers in near feild automobile use...?
      
      
      I am looking for a small (and low profile) yet
      versatile driver for use as a mid (or even a
      mid/tweet) for my front stage for A-Pillar mounting.
      
      I came across the "Bohlender Graebner" brand of Planar
      drivers in the Parts Express magazine.  They are
      simular to ribbons in size, but appear to be much more
      durible.  I see the "Neo8-PDR" Planar transducer with
      a dimension of approx 8" x 2.5" x .5" deep.  It has a
      frequency range of (useable) 500Hz - 20KHz (A true
      mid-tweeter).  A 4 Ohm impedance and 40W RMS/120W
      Music power handling with 92.5dB SPL @ 1Meter!  Seems
      too good to be true from a 1/2" deep driver that would
      fit nicely on an A-Pillar.
      
      Does anyone have experience with these or any simular
      Planar drivers in near-feild charachter (like 1 to 2
      feet away)?  They state very uniform coverage, and the
      wide frequency range would allow me to run subs to
      78Hz, 8" Vifa mid-bass in the doors from 78 - 500Hz,
      and the Planar drivers in the a-pillars from 500Hz up.
      
      This seems to be a good option, but I am scared they
      might not be a good near feild type driver (too harsh,
      or bad dispersion).  If this does not pan out, I will
      likely go with some Tang-Band 2" or 3" mid drivers (A
      Pair in each A-Pillar) and run some Vifa Dual
      Concentric or Scan Speak Ring Radiators for the
      treble.  
      
      I really want to get my midrange to chest level, but I
      don't want a 6.5" pod on my a-pillar!  I am willing to
      compromise a 500Hz crossover from the doors to the
      A-Pillars, and this seems to be the ticket.
      
      The Planar drivers are only $63 each from Parts
      Express, so it is a bargain to boot!
      
      I eagerly await any input on Planar Drivers...
      
      PS - For comparison I am running MB Quart PSC216
      Bi-Amped on a Sony XM-7547 and I am happy with them,
      but I want to get a bit more "air" and transient
      detail, and also raise my entire soundstage up to
      chest level.
      
      Thanks to Matt for keeping this forum up and running
      even though the XDP-4K is long out of production ;) !
      
      Randy V
      Audiophile/Musician/Crazy Guy
      
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From: 
"Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 07, 2004
      
      
      Hi, I have a 99' Grand Prix with steering wheel controls.  So I bought a
      Soundgate GMSW1 Interface
      (http://www.soundgate.com/products/remote-audio/gm.htm) to make the steering
      wheel controls still work.  According to the Soundgate website the "Sony
      radio must be RMX-2S or 4S Rotary Commander compatible" and a 1/8" mini-plug
      is required to be plugged in the back on the Sony deck (you can see the plug
      in the picture)...Well after taking out the C90 I realized that there's no
      place to plug in the mini-plug!  This Soundgate interface says if works with
      all Sony ES recievers.   Isn't the C90 joystick a RMX-2S?  Any one have any
      experience with this interface?
      
      Thanks,
      Mike
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 07, 2004
      
      
      I think this has been discussed in a little more detail before, but the 
      answer is that it is *possible* but it requires some modification of parts 
      somewhere along the line.
      
      The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony 
      decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control 
      System).  SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. an 
      electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless remote).
      
      The SIRCS line can be found on virtually ALL Sony electronics (not just car 
      audio) however it appears in different formats/connectors with varying 
      compatiblity and sometimes can only be accessed via internal taps on the 
      circuit board(s) of equipment.
      
      In Sony car audio, SIRCS is found both on that green coloured minijack on 
      most Sony HUs as well as on the UniLink connection/cable.  I remember 
      reading that SIRCS is also carried on the C90s wired remote connector but 
      since the connector is different, obviously the miniplug from the X4S, X2S, 
      or SoundGate adapter would not fit.  However if you spliced into the wire 
      for the C90 wired remote you would be able to find the proper SIRCS wires 
      and be able to connect it that way, I believe.  You could also go from 
      inside the C90 itself, tapping into the proper lines either on the remote 
      connection or on the UniLink connection.  So there are a number of ways you 
      can probably make the connection for the SW1.
      
      I know that it has been done on many cars with the GM steering controls and 
      the C90 combo, so it isn't something that no one has done--therefore you may 
      be able to find specifics on the internet (if not on the archives of this 
      very list).
      
      Also one could probably figure this info out pretty easily with the C90 
      service manual (nicely available on the Matronics site :) ), AND a service 
      manual from a unit which carries the green minijack for the X4S/X2S remote 
      (unfortunately NOT found on the Matronics site).  Then all you'd need to do 
      is figure out what connections you need on the minijack/plug (there would be 
      3--likely SIRCS, ground and something else) and find appropriate points in 
      the C90 to connect to.
      
      Roland M.
      
      >From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: 
      >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
      >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:31:20 -0500
      >
      >
      >Hi, I have a 99' Grand Prix with steering wheel controls.  So I bought a
      >Soundgate GMSW1 Interface
      >(http://www.soundgate.com/products/remote-audio/gm.htm) to make the 
      >steering
      >wheel controls still work.  According to the Soundgate website the "Sony
      >radio must be RMX-2S or 4S Rotary Commander compatible" and a 1/8" 
      >mini-plug
      >is required to be plugged in the back on the Sony deck (you can see the 
      >plug
      >in the picture)...Well after taking out the C90 I realized that there's no
      >place to plug in the mini-plug!  This Soundgate interface says if works 
      >with
      >all Sony ES recievers.   Isn't the C90 joystick a RMX-2S?  Any one have any
      >experience with this interface?
      >
      >Thanks,
      >Mike
      >
      
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Date: 
Feb 08, 2004
From: 
"Leo G. Divinagracia III" <ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu>
Subject: 
Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/07/04
      
      
      >The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony 
      >decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control 
      >System).  SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. an 
      >electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless remote).
      >  
      >
      
      i thought the sony wired remotes just used a simple resistor ladder design?
      
      
________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/07/04
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      >
      >
      >
      > >The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony
      > >decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control
      > >System).  SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. 
      >an
      > >electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless 
      >remote).
      > >
      > >
      >
      >i thought the sony wired remotes just used a simple resistor ladder design?
      >_-
      
      Yeah they pretty much do, but isn't that how SIRCS is acheived?  Hmm, 
      perhaps I'm confused?  I should probably take a look at a service manual to 
      be sure...
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      Wow, does this mean I have to cut the wires on the rotary control to get 
      this interface to work?  Are you saying to cut off the mini-plug of the 
      interface and then splice the wires from the interface into the wires of the 
      rotary control plug?
      
      Hmm, does anyone have a dead rotary control that doesn't work anymore so 
      that I could have just the plug that goes into the back of the C90?
      
      Thanks for the help,
      Mike
      
      
      ----Original Message Follows----
      From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
      Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:26:43 -0500
      
      
      I think this has been discussed in a little more detail before, but the
      answer is that it is *possible* but it requires some modification of parts
      somewhere along the line.
      
      The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony
      decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control
      System).  SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. an
      electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless remote).
      
      The SIRCS line can be found on virtually ALL Sony electronics (not just car
      audio) however it appears in different formats/connectors with varying
      compatiblity and sometimes can only be accessed via internal taps on the
      circuit board(s) of equipment.
      
      In Sony car audio, SIRCS is found both on that green coloured minijack on
      most Sony HUs as well as on the UniLink connection/cable.  I remember
      reading that SIRCS is also carried on the C90s wired remote connector but
      since the connector is different, obviously the miniplug from the X4S, X2S,
      or SoundGate adapter would not fit.  However if you spliced into the wire
      for the C90 wired remote you would be able to find the proper SIRCS wires
      and be able to connect it that way, I believe.  You could also go from
      inside the C90 itself, tapping into the proper lines either on the remote
      connection or on the UniLink connection.  So there are a number of ways you
      can probably make the connection for the SW1.
      
      I know that it has been done on many cars with the GM steering controls and
      the C90 combo, so it isn't something that no one has done--therefore you may
      be able to find specifics on the internet (if not on the archives of this
      very list).
      
      Also one could probably figure this info out pretty easily with the C90
      service manual (nicely available on the Matronics site :) ), AND a service
      manual from a unit which carries the green minijack for the X4S/X2S remote
      (unfortunately NOT found on the Matronics site).  Then all you'd need to do
      is figure out what connections you need on the minijack/plug (there would be
      3--likely SIRCS, ground and something else) and find appropriate points in
      the C90 to connect to.
      
      Roland M.
      
       >From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
       >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
       >To: 
       >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
       >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:31:20 -0500
       >
       >
       >Hi, I have a 99' Grand Prix with steering wheel controls.  So I bought a
       >Soundgate GMSW1 Interface
       >(http://www.soundgate.com/products/remote-audio/gm.htm) to make the
       >steering
       >wheel controls still work.  According to the Soundgate website the "Sony
       >radio must be RMX-2S or 4S Rotary Commander compatible" and a 1/8"
       >mini-plug
       >is required to be plugged in the back on the Sony deck (you can see the
       >plug
       >in the picture)...Well after taking out the C90 I realized that there's no
       >place to plug in the mini-plug!  This Soundgate interface says if works
       >with
       >all Sony ES recievers.   Isn't the C90 joystick a RMX-2S?  Any one have 
      any
       >experience with this interface?
       >
       >Thanks,
       >Mike
       >
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      Ok I emailed Sondgate and it looks like I'm out of luck...here's what hey wrote:
      
      
      "Actually no, the CDX-C90 uses a different rotary commander called the RMX-6s.
      Check the owners manual of the CD Player and you will see that it is a different
      special brushed aluminum thing that was built for that player only. Sorry it
      will not work with any other commander language than the 2s or 4s commanders.
      Thanks CHET."
      
      
      So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned below?
      
      
      Thanks, Mike
      
      ----Original Message Follows---- 
      
      
      From: "Roland M" <MDX400(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
      Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? 
      Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:26:43 -0500 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" 
      
      I think this has been discussed in a little more detail before, but the 
      answer is that it is *possible* but it requires some modification of parts 
      somewhere along the line. 
      
      The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony 
      decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control 
      System).SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. an 
      electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless remote). 
      
      The SIRCS line can be found on virtually ALL Sony electronics (not just car 
      audio) however it appears in different formats/connectors with varying 
      compatiblity and sometimes can only be accessed via internal taps on the 
      circuit board(s) of equipment. 
      
      In Sony car audio, SIRCS is found both on that green coloured minijack on 
      most Sony HUs as well as on the UniLink connection/cable.I remember 
      reading that SIRCS is also carried on the C90s wired remote connector but 
      since the connector is different, obviously the miniplug from the X4S, X2S, 
      or SoundGate adapter would not fit.However if you spliced into the wire 
      for the C90 wired remote you would be able to find the proper SIRCS wires 
      and be able to connect it that way, I believe.You could also go from 
      inside the C90 itself, tapping into the proper lines either on the remote 
      connection or on the UniLink connection.So there are a number of ways you 
      can probably make the connection for the SW1. 
      
      I know that it has been done on many cars with the GM steering controls and 
      the C90 combo, so it isn't something that no one has done--therefore you may 
      be able to find specifics on the internet (if not on the archives of this 
      very list). 
      
      Also one could probably figure this info out pretty easily with the C90 
      service manual (nicely available on the Matronics site :) ), AND a service 
      manual from a unit which carries the green minijack for the X4S/X2S remote 
      (unfortunately NOT found on the Matronics site).Then all you'd need to do 
      is figure out what connections you need on the minijack/plug (there would be 
      3--likely SIRCS, ground and something else) and find appropriate points in 
      the C90 to connect to. 
      
      Roland M. 
      
      From: "Mike Piccin" <MPICCIN2(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
      Subject: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? 
      Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:31:20 -0500 
      
      -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" 
      
      Hi, I have a 99' Grand Prix with steering wheel controls.So I bought a 
      Soundgate GMSW1 Interface 
      (http://www.soundgate.com/products/remote-audio/gm.htm) to make the 
      steering 
      wheel controls still work.According to the Soundgate website the "Sony 
      radio must be RMX-2S or 4S Rotary Commander compatible" and a 1/8" 
      mini-plug 
      is required to be plugged in the back on the Sony deck (you can see the 
      plug 
      in the picture)...Well after taking out the C90 I realized that there's no 
      place to plug in the mini-plug!This Soundgate interface says if works 
      with 
      all Sony ES recievers. Isn't the C90 joystick a RMX-2S?Any one have any 
      experience with this interface? 
      
      Thanks, 
      Mike 
      
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
      >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:54:01 -0500
      >
      >
      >Ok I emailed Sondgate and it looks like I'm out of luck...here's what hey 
      >wrote:
      >
      >
      >"Actually no, the CDX-C90 uses a different rotary commander called the 
      >RMX-6s. Check the owners manual of the CD Player and you will see that it 
      >is a different special brushed aluminum thing that was built for that 
      >player only. Sorry it will not work with any other commander language than 
      >the 2s or 4s commanders. Thanks CHET."
      >
      >
      >So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned 
      >below?
      >
      >
      >Thanks, Mike
      >
      
      Yeah that is what I thought (that it could still be used) but now I'm not so 
      sure...  You should check the list archive (maybe a search for soundgate 
      would do), because I'm sure this was discussed before.  I know that there 
      have been installs where they have gotten the GM steering controls to work 
      with the C90--it *might* have been a GM to IR emitter adapter though, but 
      I'm not 100% sure.
      
      Also the RM-X6S *isn't* the remote that comes with the C90.  I dunno what 
      the C90s wired remote model number is but it isn't the X6S.  The X6S is a 
      larger "knob" wireLESS remote which works on the "HiR" remote frequency that 
      a (relative) FEW Sony car decks are capable of (the CDX-CA850X and CA860X 
      were the first to use HiR, I believe).  Anyway the X6S is definitely not the 
      C90's remote and it isn't compatible with the C90.
      
      (This is a pic of the X6S remote, by the way:  
      http://i19.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/2d/e4/12_1.JPG )
      
      Roland M.
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      >From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
      >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:54:01 -0500
      >
      >
      >So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned 
      >below?
      >
      >
      >Thanks, Mike
      >
      
      Okay I have to apologise...  The resistor-ladder "protocol" that the X2S and 
      X4S use is NOT SIRCS and isn't related to SIRCS (it might get changed to 
      SIRCS inside the HU though as that is the internal command protocol of 
      nearly all Sony electronics--but this is besides the point).  I guess I just 
      got confused between SIRCS and the system used by the wired remote 
      commanders.
      
      So forget about anything I said about SIRCS.  However I was correct in 
      remember that someone did say something about the wired remote commander 
      cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote 
      signals.
      
      If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by 
      David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector:
      
      http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wired_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
      
      I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other 
      emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom 
      remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd imagine 
      he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to 
      with the pics is not coming up anymore :(
      
      There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the wires 
      David spoke of above...
      
      Roland M.
      
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      >
      >However I was correct in
      >remember[ing] that someone did say something about the wired remote 
      >commander
      >cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote
      >signals.
      >
      >If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by
      >David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector:
      >
      >http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wired_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
      >
      >I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other
      >emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom
      >remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd 
      >imagine
      >he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to
      >with the pics is not coming up anymore :(
      >
      >There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the 
      >wires
      >David spoke of above...
      >
      >Roland M.
      >
      
      Okay so I did a little research and found out this about the C90's remote 
      connector...  Before that I do have a question though--is the C90's remote 
      *illumintated* at night???  From the wiring diagram it looks like it is!  I 
      never knew that before!
      
      There appear to be 5 meaningful wire connections on the wired remote (though 
      I think there maybe upto 7pins in the connector?)...
      
      As David stated in another previous email to the list, he was speculating 
      that the C90's wired remote (the correct model number is the RM-X9 by the 
      way) uses an optical sensor system which is powered by +/- lines on the 
      wire/connector.  He was speculating that the two signal lines that carry the 
      actual control (equivalent resistance?) information were the same as the 
      previous remotes.  He never did clear that up in any subsequent mailings but 
      perhaps you could email him at the address he used then to see if he still 
      gets email there?
      
      Anyway the 5 wires seem to be as follows:
      
      Pin# |  Description
      5          RC IN0
      3          RC IN1
      4          ENC +
      6          ENC -
      2          ILL on 10V (I'm guessing this is the illumination wire? 10V or 
      more gets illumination, correct?)
      
      So it looks like if it were any two wires that would be related to the old 
      remote it would be the wires on pins 3 & 5 (RC IN lines).  Pins 4 & 6 would 
      be the power to the remote's sensor system I'm thinking and the information 
      going through 3/5 (if David was correct) would be the same remote info as 
      before.  Unfortunately the service manual does not seem to show what colour 
      the wires are--you'll have to use the S/M and determine which connector 
      postions are which on your own.
      
      Also I'm not sure which wires the X2S/X4S would be using.  Just from looking 
      at the S/M for the MDX-400 which uses a similar (but not exactly the same) 
      RM-X38 wired remote, it appears that there are 3 wire connections (this 
      agrees with the 3 conductor miniplug on the wired remotes' connection).  One 
      is for ground/sheild and the other two are for signal.
      
      It will take a little more looking into, to find which wires are the right 
      ones in the C90 and in the X4S/X2S agree with one another, BUT if David was 
      correct in thinking these wires would work the SAME as the other units then 
      it would work.
      
      There is always the small caution that it might not be exactly the same 
      resistance selections on the C90 as on the X4S/X2S using units.  For example 
      the X1S that was used in older units like the XK-R100 is completely 
      incompatible with the X2S/X4S and vice versa.  (Incidentally the X2S and X4S 
      themselves are nearly IDENTICAL to one another and are completely 
      cross-compatible).  Another example is the X38 from the MDX-400.  Plugging 
      an X2S/X4S into the remote jack on the 400's tuner/pre-amp results in a 
      remote which works but the commands are completely messed up and not all 
      commands are available).  This may not be the case with the C90 however, and 
      it may use the exact same resistance values as the X4S/X2S and it may work 
      out fine.
      
      I'd suggest trying to do a little more research though.  If you have an 
      X2S/X4S remote handy it would be especially helpful in determining how to 
      make the connection and if it would work 100% correctly or not.
      
      Roland M.
      
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From: 
"Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 
Re: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: 
Feb 09, 2004
      
      
      Well it was a little while ago that this topic was being discussed but I do 
      have an update of sorts...
      
      Okay so I finally got around to testing this in my house.  I hooked up a 
      spare MDX-400 unit to my PC (for 12V power), set the output for digital and 
      put the D210/D211 adapter in...  Connected it to my receiver and began play 
      of an MD...
      
      However I didn't find a 48kHz sampling rate--I found the sampling rate to be 
      a Linear PCM at a standard 44.1kHz with the appropriate (1411kpbs data 
      rate).  This, as displayed on my receiver's front panel while it was playing 
      the source material from the MDX-400's digital output.
      
      I could also try my CDX-828 in the house and see what it comes up with, but 
      I'm thinking I'm going to get 44.1kHz again anyway.  I wonder if, when the 
      XDP-4000X is connected, it would be able to "command" the source units 
      (CD/MD changers, C90/C910/MDX-400, etc.) to output PCM digital at 48kHz 
      instead of 44.1kHz???  This MAY be a possibility but I'm still kind of 

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