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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (Harley)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (Malcolm Ferguson)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (RV7ASask)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Andrew Zachar)
6. 10:56 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (John Ciolino)
7. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Dennis Golden)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Lynn Cole)
9. 02:09 PM - Nav Data Headsets (BobsV35B@aol.com)
10. 07:47 PM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (Lynn Cole)
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
Thank you, Kelly...I agree...
I think it's a little naive to blame all hearing loss in pilots
on flying/headsets (or lack of). A little more than a quarter of
the people I know that are older than me (70+) have hearing aids,
and NONE of them ever flew (including my dad who just started
wearing one last year at age 96) other than in commercial planes.
In fact, at age 69, my hearing is fine...despite a life of race
cars, rock bands, motorcycles, and, oh yes, flying...the majority
of the time with NO headsets! And, I was in an artillery
battalion in the 60s...nothing like an 8" gun going off right
next to you!
There are many reasons for hearing loss...and many people who
don't have any despite what one may have considered risky
behavior in their lives.
Harley
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> <kellym@aviating.com>
>
>
> Yes, but many of us lost our high frequency hearing courtesy of
> that little distraction we had occupying the lives of high
> school graduates, brought to us by Ike, JFK, LBJ and Tricky
> Dick. Flying was one of the few pleasurable things we could do
> while waiting for the next set of orders to proceed to the
> nearest flight across the Pacific. Only benefit is VA providing
> the hearing aids gratis.
>
> On 6/23/2011 4:49 PM, John Cox wrote:
>> I belong to an Aviation club where the average membership age
>> is 68. Most of the members over 50 begin pursuit of hearing
>> aids from the flights back in the 60's & 70's.
>> John Cox
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
I use a homemade headset similar to the Clarity Aloft using the mic and
preamp of an old headset and these little beauties:
http://www.cep-usa.com/id23.htm They place the speaker in your ear canal
with a foam tip attached-very quiet and comfortable. I have significant
hearing loss and wear hearings aids and the homemade set is the only one I
have confidence in talking to ATC. My other headset is a Telex Stratus 50D
and my wife uses Bose. For clarity I rate my homemade set No 1, the Telex No
2 and the Bose No 3. For quietness Bose No 1, 50D No 2, Mine No 3. Comfort
Mine No 1, 50D No 2, Bose No 3( I have largish ears that don't fit that well
in the small Bose cup) An inline pot controls volume. For amazing quiet I
sometimes put the Telex over my homemade set.
Malcolm Ferguson
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:
Quiet as an ANR headset
Clearer audio - critical to communication
Unbelievably lightweight
Rugged design
Long-distance flying comfort
Inexpensive replacement ear tips
No head-squeeze
No sweaty earmuffs
No "bad hair" days
Easy to carry and pack
LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
My 2 cents
Regards
David Lamb
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343982#343982
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve
hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than
the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a
foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:
Quiet as an ANR headset
Clearer audio - critical to communication
Unbelievably lightweight
Rugged design
Long-distance flying comfort
Inexpensive replacement ear tips
No head-squeeze
No sweaty earmuffs
No "bad hair" days
Easy to carry and pack
LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the
radio with some local hams. One of them was needing
a lightweight headset that would let him listen to
a radio in a busy office (emergency operations
center) but anything that pressed on or covered
his ears was uncomfortable.
We tossed around some ideas. After several passes
at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds
with nice foam seals. He said that he could not
wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which
they were designed but he fashioned a head band
from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached
to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.
With simple manipulation of the wire, he could
get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear
canal without actually forcing anything into
the ear. Since the seal to the outside world
was still quite effective, noise attenuation
was on a par with foam ear-plugs.
The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db
attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises
to 1% or less. This combination of head-set
and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,
low cost and effective solution.
Telex had a super-light headset way back when
with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples
to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were
still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few
months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept
in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset
but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to
be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear
them for more than an hour. Kept them many years
as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier
but very seldom needed them.
The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance
matching transformer to work well with the higher
impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter
study is needed.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
I did a DIY headset after studying some of the guys on vaf for awhile.
I haven't actually flown with it yet (or really figured out a good way to
attach the microphone to my head), but initial tests with the impedance
matching and volume control work well).
I use Klipsh S4 headphones with this setup, they are awesome in-ear
headphones, cost $80 and are marketed (in consumer reviews) as sounding like
the $300 audiophile in-ear headphones.
Here's the link to my page describing the DIY portion:
http://n999za.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/roll-your-own-in-ear-headset/.
I need to try them out in an RV to see how they'll work in my future rv-7.
-Andrew
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com**>
>
>
> At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
>
> Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours
> over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet
> Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.**com/<http://www.quiettechnologies.com/>It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:
> Quiet as an ANR headset
> Clearer audio - critical to communication
> Unbelievably lightweight
> Rugged design
> Long-distance flying comfort
> Inexpensive replacement ear tips
> No head-squeeze
> No sweaty earmuffs
> No "bad hair" days
> Easy to carry and pack
> LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
>
> A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the
> radio with some local hams. One of them was needing
> a lightweight headset that would let him listen to
> a radio in a busy office (emergency operations
> center) but anything that pressed on or covered
> his ears was uncomfortable.
>
> We tossed around some ideas. After several passes
> at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds
> with nice foam seals. He said that he could not
> wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which
> they were designed but he fashioned a head band
> from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached
> to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.
> With simple manipulation of the wire, he could
> get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear
> canal without actually forcing anything into
> the ear. Since the seal to the outside world
> was still quite effective, noise attenuation
> was on a par with foam ear-plugs.
>
> The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db
> attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises
> to 1% or less. This combination of head-set
> and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,
> low cost and effective solution.
>
> Telex had a super-light headset way back when
> with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples
> to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were
> still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few
> months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept
> in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset
> but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to
> be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear
> them for more than an hour. Kept them many years
> as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier
> but very seldom needed them.
>
> The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance
> matching transformer to work well with the higher
> impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter
> study is needed.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
--
Andrew Zachar
andrew.d.zachar@gmail.com
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Subject: | Nav Data Headsets |
Harley,
I have a Dave Clark 13.4 headset that is used but in fairly good condition
that I'll sell to you for $75 plus shipping. It needs a new mic muff but
has the Oregon Aero ear pad upgrade as well as the DC gel pads.
If interested respond off-line to johnciolino@comcast.net.
John Ciolino
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets
Time to replace my 20+ year old Telex headsets. Been looking around and am
interested in the Nav Data headset ( www.navdatakneeboard.com/index.html ).
ANR is not necessary, as I'll modify my headset to ANR if I feel I need it
(Headsets Inc.).
So these seem like a pretty good choice. The price is right, and judging by
the information, they are a US company (Florida). They are being sold at
ACS, Tropicaero, The Pilot shop and several other pilot supply stores.
But I can't find any reviews on them. Has anyone any experience with them?
Or know anyone who has?
Or opinions?
Harley Dixon
Long EZ N28EZ
Canandaigua, NY
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
On 06/24/2011 08:12 AM, RV7ASask wrote:
> <rv7alamb@sasktel.net>
>
> Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve
> hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than
> the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a
> foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: Quiet as an ANR
> headset Clearer audio - critical to communication Unbelievably
> lightweight Rugged design Long-distance flying comfort Inexpensive
> replacement ear tips No head-squeeze No sweaty earmuffs No "bad hair"
> days Easy to carry and pack LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
>
> My 2 cents Regards David Lamb
I bought two sets at Oshkosh a few years ago. My wife and I both love them.
--
Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers
on the engine). The problem that I have is that the microphone picks
up the noise. If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously
pick up the noise, I have to shout to break the squelch. Any
solutions to this problem?
Lynn Cole
LynnCole@foxvalley.net
On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
> <rv7alamb@sasktel.net>
>
> Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve
> hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than
> the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a
> foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:
> Quiet as an ANR headset
> Clearer audio - critical to communication
> Unbelievably lightweight
> Rugged design
> Long-distance flying comfort
> Inexpensive replacement ear tips
> No head-squeeze
> No sweaty earmuffs
> No "bad hair" days
> Easy to carry and pack
> LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
>
> A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the
> radio with some local hams. One of them was needing
> a lightweight headset that would let him listen to
> a radio in a busy office (emergency operations
> center) but anything that pressed on or covered
> his ears was uncomfortable.
>
> We tossed around some ideas. After several passes
> at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds
> with nice foam seals. He said that he could not
> wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which
> they were designed but he fashioned a head band
> from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached
> to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.
> With simple manipulation of the wire, he could
> get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear
> canal without actually forcing anything into
> the ear. Since the seal to the outside world
> was still quite effective, noise attenuation
> was on a par with foam ear-plugs.
>
> The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db
> attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises
> to 1% or less. This combination of head-set
> and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,
> low cost and effective solution.
>
> Telex had a super-light headset way back when
> with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples
> to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were
> still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few
> months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept
> in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset
> but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to
> be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear
> them for more than an hour. Kept them many years
> as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier
> but very seldom needed them.
>
> The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance
> matching transformer to work well with the higher
> impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter
> study is needed.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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Subject: | Nav Data Headsets |
Good Afternoon Lynn,
Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that fits
over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound can get through.
That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I am confident that my
Stearman is at least as noisy an environment as is your Cessna 140! <G>
Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they came with
the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets.
You might give it a try.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS Which Fox Valley are you in? There is one nearby my Downers Grove, IL
home.
In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
LynnCole@foxvalley.net writes:
I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on
the engine). The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the
noise. If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up the noise,
I
have to shout to break the squelch. Any solutions to this problem?
Lynn Cole
_LynnCole@foxvalley.net_ (mailto:LynnCole@foxvalley.net)
On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
<_nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com_ (mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com) >
At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
<_rv7alamb@sasktel.net_ (mailto:rv7alamb@sasktel.net) >
Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours
over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet
Technologies. _http://www.quiettechnologies.com_
(http://www.quiettechnologies.com/) / It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:
Quiet as an ANR headset
Clearer audio - critical to communication
Unbelievably lightweight
Rugged design
Long-distance flying comfort
Inexpensive replacement ear tips
No head-squeeze
No sweaty earmuffs
No "bad hair" days
Easy to carry and pack
LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the
radio with some local hams. One of them was needing
a lightweight headset that would let him listen to
a radio in a busy office (emergency operations
center) but anything that pressed on or covered
his ears was uncomfortable.
We tossed around some ideas. After several passes
at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds
with nice foam seals. He said that he could not
wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which
they were designed but he fashioned a head band
from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached
to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.
With simple manipulation of the wire, he could
get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear
canal without actually forcing anything into
the ear. Since the seal to the outside world
was still quite effective, noise attenuation
was on a par with foam ear-plugs.
The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db
attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises
to 1% or less. This combination of head-set
and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,
low cost and effective solution.
Telex had a super-light headset way back when
with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples
to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were
still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few
months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept
in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset
but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to
be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear
them for more than an hour. Kept them many years
as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier
but very seldom needed them.
The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance
matching transformer to work well with the higher
impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter
study is needed.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Nav Data Headsets |
I'm at C77.
Lynn Cole
LynnCole@foxvalley.net
On Jun 24, 2011, at 4:04 PM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> Good Afternoon Lynn,
>
> Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that
> fits over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound
> can get through. That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I
> am confident that my Stearman is at least as noisy an environment
> as is your Cessna 140! <G>
>
> Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they
> came with the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets.
>
> You might give it a try.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
>
> PS Which Fox Valley are you in? There is one nearby my Downers
> Grove, IL home.
>
> In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> LynnCole@foxvalley.net writes:
> I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no
> mufflers on the engine). The problem that I have is that the
> microphone picks up the noise. If I turn the squelch up so it
> doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I have to shout to break
> the squelch. Any solutions to this problem?
> Lynn Cole
> LynnCole@foxvalley.net
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
>> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>>
>> At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
>> <rv7alamb@sasktel.net>
>>
>> Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve
>> hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset
>> than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It
>> is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says:
>> Quiet as an ANR headset
>> Clearer audio - critical to communication
>> Unbelievably lightweight
>> Rugged design
>> Long-distance flying comfort
>> Inexpensive replacement ear tips
>> No head-squeeze
>> No sweaty earmuffs
>> No "bad hair" days
>> Easy to carry and pack
>> LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset
>>
>> A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the
>> radio with some local hams. One of them was needing
>> a lightweight headset that would let him listen to
>> a radio in a busy office (emergency operations
>> center) but anything that pressed on or covered
>> his ears was uncomfortable.
>>
>> We tossed around some ideas. After several passes
>> at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds
>> with nice foam seals. He said that he could not
>> wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which
>> they were designed but he fashioned a head band
>> from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached
>> to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld.
>> With simple manipulation of the wire, he could
>> get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear
>> canal without actually forcing anything into
>> the ear. Since the seal to the outside world
>> was still quite effective, noise attenuation
>> was on a par with foam ear-plugs.
>>
>> The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db
>> attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises
>> to 1% or less. This combination of head-set
>> and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical,
>> low cost and effective solution.
>>
>> Telex had a super-light headset way back when
>> with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples
>> to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were
>> still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few
>> months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept
>> in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset
>> but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to
>> be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear
>> them for more than an hour. Kept them many years
>> as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier
>> but very seldom needed them.
>>
>> The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance
>> matching transformer to work well with the higher
>> impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter
>> study is needed.
>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
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