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1. 06:01 AM - Re: Weight and Balance Scales (pjeffers@talktalk.net)
2. 12:46 PM - Wardrive Prop ()
3. 04:07 PM - Fw: Europa for sale (Robert Berube)
4. 04:51 PM - Re: Fw: Europa for sale (Christoph Both)
5. 05:25 PM - Re: Fw: Europa for sale (Robert Berube)
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance Scales |
=0AHi Bud,=0A=0AHow much I concur with your advice re weighing
. =0ASome years ago I bought (from Spruce) a set of sca
les said to be suitable for aircraft weighing. They turned
out to be ordinary spring operated bathroom scales dressed up
with a fancy system designed to half or third the load on
each scale to bring them within weighing range.=0AI weighed on
e aircraft with this equipment and was not satisfied with th
e result so did it again with the same care and ended up
with discrepancies of up to 10 % between results (just
move the a/c an inch to one side of exact centre on the
pan and see the weight change (scary). I now have a set
of calibrated electronic scales from Sun'n'Fun. They proved j
ust how bad the bathroom scales realy are. On these electron
ic scales you can put a calibrated weight literally anywhere
on the pan and it reads exactly the same correct figure.
Try this test with your bathroom scales and watch the result
s. This test alone should prove how unreliable cheap scales
are. By the way it is interesting to note that good
electronic scales are calibrated and then even biased acording
to the lattitude where the scales are to be used.=0AYes, it
is yours and your families life you are talking about. Th
anks Bub for your wise input.=0A=0APete Jeffers=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>=0ATo:
europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 3:35=0ASubject: R
e: Europa-List: Weight and Balance Scales=0A=0A=0A=0AI hate to b
ut in, but weight and balance is not a sorta, kinda, maybe
about this many pounds measurement. We all spend hours m
aking sure our aircraft is within .1 degree and exact sweep
and incidence and then weigh the aircraft and measure the ba
lance points with a grease pencil and a bath scale certified
by our last physical weigh in. =0A=0AI know calibrated s
cales are expensive, but go to your airports certified weight
and balance professional or if you insist on doing it yourse
lf, go to the racing community and find a set of certified
scales of the proper size and range and rent them or bo
rrow them for a day.. Load cells are best, but I must
admit some spring types are quite accurate. It amazes me
that the car guys and go cart enthusiasts have superb scales
. I have seen them for as low as $500 new. I know
this as I lived next door to a sprint car builder and he
had the neatest stuff.=0A =0AUse a good level, plumb bobs,
and tape measures and be accurate. Follow the operators han
dbook instructions. I recently had a plane in the shop th
at was touted as only 875 lbs, using bath scales. The a
ctual weight was 904 and his CG was off by a half and
inch because he used the dimensions in the book instead of
measuring his own plane. Luckily our little bird is tolerab
le of many things, including loading and weight and balance
errors. Putting a 2 X 6 between two scales can work, bu
t verify with accurate weights and get a good tare of the
scales. Make sure the weigh ins are repeatable and use a
known set of weights to verify the scales range and accuracy
. If using two scales with a beam between, verify the p
ositon of the beam and where the tire center will sit.=0A
=0AIt costs me a couple of hours and a couple hundred buck
s for Walter Hudson (FAA Certified weight and balance tech,
A&P and homebuilder) to come by and weigh the planes in my
shop. Dead on, certified, and repeatable results.=0A =0AKevi
n, I do the same thing. I built ramps and blocks the
exact height of the scales and of course from plumb bobs d
own the cowl line, the axles and then careful measurements t
o get my distances for the moments. Jigs like this make
things simple. For the mono I must admit, to being extrem
ely lazy and use a finger to balance the wing by pushing
up on the heavy wing and down on the light wing and aver
age the difference. I have not found a mono more than a
couple of pounds out of perfect balance.=0A =0ABud Yerly
=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: K BURNS =0ATo:
europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 2:20 PM=0A
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight and Balance Scales=0A=0A=0A=0AHi,=0A
=0AOne set of scales would do with two spacer blocks unde
r the wheels same height as scale, weigh at one wheel then
either with jacks or 3 ramps move the scale from wheel
to wheel , replacing with a block to keep the a/c level
, recording your figures as you go on your balance sheet.
=0A(easier to use 3 blocks if only using one jack so you
can lift remove scale lower on spare block then move jack
to next wheel)=0A =0AKevin =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Robert Borger <rlborg
er@mac.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 20 March,
2011 14:44:45=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Weight and Balance Scale
s=0A=0AMike, =0A=0A=0AI played on balances.com for a bit and o
n a 400 lb search I found a Siltec 440LB GS1 digital sca
le for $78.95. It's a bathroom scale but three of them
($236.85) would probably do the job as long as your aircraft
is under 900 lbs and you are careful getting the mains
onto the scale.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABob Borger=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0AOn Mar 20, 2011, at 1:36, DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0AIn the USA, what are people using with regard to
scales when they do their weight and balance calculations? Wha
t capacity is needed?=0A =0AMike Duane=0ARedding, California=0AEurop
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Does anyone have a set of useable tapered blades for a ground adjustable
Warpdrive prop that they would like to sell.
Please reply to drewettcj@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Fwd: Europa for sale |
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Berube <bberube44@gmail.com>
Subject: Europa for sale
Flight Crafters is assisting a customer in selling his Monowheel Europa.
Aircraft wings and control surfaces are professionaly finished and painted.
Fuselage needs painting and panel. Antennas, wiring and strobes
installed, has firewall forward but engine has been sold, also included is
monowheel trailer and hydraulic Whirlwind Propeller. Aircraft can be parted
out with all offers considered. Anyone attending Sun n Fun wanting to see
the aircraft can contact me at cell 813 695-1120. I will be at the show
most of the week.
Please contact me off list for any additional info.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
40417 Chancey Rd.
Zephyrhills, FL. 33542
E-mail bberube44@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Fwd: Europa for sale |
Hello Bob:
As indicated a while ago, I will be attending S&F April 1-3, arriving FRI 1
st late afternoon. What would be the most practical way for me to pick up t
he already packaged tail foam for the Europa I purchased from you a while a
go? If you are located at S&F I could pick up there, or I come by your shop
SUN perhaps after the show to pick it up or whatever is most convenient fo
r you. Let me know!
Thanks so much!
Christoph
Europa #223 Nova Scotia canada
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Berube
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Europa for sale
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Berube <bberube44@gmail.com<mailto:bberube44@gmail.com>>
Subject: Europa for sale
Flight Crafters is assisting a customer in selling his Monowheel Europa. A
ircraft wings and control surfaces are professionaly finished and painted.
Fuselage needs painting and panel. Antennas, wiring and strobes installed
, has firewall forward but engine has been sold, also included is monowheel
trailer and hydraulic Whirlwind Propeller. Aircraft can be parted out wit
h all offers considered. Anyone attending Sun n Fun wanting to see the air
craft can contact me at cell 813 695-1120<tel:813%20695-1120>. I will be a
t the show most of the week.
Please contact me off list for any additional info.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
40417 Chancey Rd.
Zephyrhills, FL. 33542
E-mail bberube44@gmail.com<mailto:bberube44@gmail.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Europa for sale |
It would be difficult to have the box at the show since it is quite large.
I will be at the show thru Friday but will need to be out of town from Sat.
on. We can meet at Zephyrills any time before then.
Regards,
Bob
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Christoph Both
<christoph.both@acadiau.ca>wrote:
> Hello Bob:
>
> As indicated a while ago, I will be attending S&F April 1-3, arriving FRI 1
> st late afternoon. What would be the most practical way for me to pick up
> the already packaged tail foam for the Europa I purchased from you a while
> ago? If you are located at S&F I could pick up there, or I come by your shop
> SUN perhaps after the show to pick it up or whatever is most convenient for
> you. Let me know!
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Christoph
>
> Europa #223 Nova Scotia canada
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Berube
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:59 PM
>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Fwd: Europa for sale
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Robert Berube* <bberube44@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:47 PM
> Subject: Europa for sale
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> Flight Crafters is assisting a customer in selling his Monowheel Europa.
> Aircraft wings and control surfaces are professionaly finished and painted.
> Fuselage needs painting and panel. Antennas, wiring and strobes
> installed, has firewall forward but engine has been sold, also included is
> monowheel trailer and hydraulic Whirlwind Propeller. Aircraft can be parted
> out with all offers considered. Anyone attending Sun n Fun wanting to see
> the aircraft can contact me at cell 813 695-1120. I will be at the show
> most of the week.
>
>
> Please contact me off list for any additional info.
>
>
> Bob Berube
>
> Flight Crafters
>
> 40417 Chancey Rd.
>
> Zephyrhills, FL. 33542
>
> E-mail bberube44@gmail.com
>
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