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Thu 09/05/13


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 12:35 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Kelvin Cobb)
     2. 01:41 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
     3. 01:51 AM - hose replacement (danny shepherd)
     4. 01:56 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Brian Davies)
     5. 02:24 AM - Re: hose replacement (Carl Pattinson)
     6. 02:25 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     7. 08:12 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (David Joyce)
     8. 12:30 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (John Heykoop)
     9. 12:43 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Alan Burrill)
    10. 01:04 PM - Re: solid state contactors (Frans Veldman)
    11. 02:13 PM - Side window for photography -is it easy, former? (graeme bird)
    12. 02:23 PM - Buy Samsung Galaxy S4 IV $500/Samsung Note II N7100 $400 (kkmmee)
    13. 02:50 PM - Re: Side window for photography -is it easy, former? (Carl Pattinson)
    14. 04:31 PM - Re: solid state contactors (Paul McAllister)
    15. 05:07 PM - Re: Side window for photography -is it easy, former? (K BURNS)
    16. 07:22 PM - Re: Fuel filters (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
    17. 07:22 PM - Re: Fuel filters (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:35:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
    From: Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb@icloud.com>
    I am set up similar to David, I have the smallest 'Mr Funnel' and use a small length of para cord to tie to passenger lift strut.... Very secure. At the hangar I have a 'waggle side to side handled pump', but on trips just carry a plastic Jerry and my funnel and do the filling with good old fashioned brute force.... Hmmm, as I'm not getting any younger, perhaps one of those battery pump thingies might be worth a look :-) Sent from my iPad On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:05, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > > John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > > On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:27:54 +0100 > John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all >> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good. >> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this. >> John >> Europa XS G-JHKP >> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote: >>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote: >>>> Hi All. >>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. >>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. >>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? >>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? >>>> Regards. >>>> Alan >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 >> Un/Subscription, >> Forums! >> Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 01:41:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
    From: roddyeuropa@aol.com
    I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the t op of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can. Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa fil ler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here: http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-twee ks-polarn-pump Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground. Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK -----Original Message----- From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10 Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand Hi All. My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to abov e my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugge d into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005


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    Time: 01:51:17 AM PST US
    From: danny shepherd <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
    Subject: hose replacement
    Hi All, I'll be trailing my a/c back to my hangar ( big shed ) soon for some maintenance. the five year hose replacement is due early 2014 so I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and carry out the hose replacement at the same time. now a couple of questions, I'd like to use the same spring clips on the water hoses that Rotax use. so where can I get them and the tool needed to do the job ? secondly does anyone supply a full kit to change all the hoes fuel/oil/ water. or do I have to order them seperately? Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i


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    Time: 01:56:22 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
    Subject: Refilling a Europa by hand
    ". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an > airport pump." David, you might be interested in the following news item;- Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident By: <http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/mavis%20toh.html> MAVIS TOH SINGAPORE 3 hours ago * Print <javascript:window.print()> Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a double engine malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on approach to Hong Kong International airport (HKIA) in 2010. In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel was uplifed into the aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. This caused "stiction" - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both engines, leading to the total seizure of these components and the loss of thrust controls of the aircraft during approach to HKIA. It found that though the aircraft was uplifed with the proper grade of fuel, it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP) spheres. During the flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel metering unit on both engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in engine pressure ratio fluctuations. Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps. I still use my Mr Funnel even when I uplift from aviation pumps. Regards Brian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of roddyeuropa@aol.com Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can. Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here: http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweek s-polarn-pump Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground. Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK -----Original Message----- From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10 Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand Hi All. My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 02:24:40 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: hose replacement
    Hi Danny, Conair sports will supply a complete 5 yr rubber replacement kit - excluding the Europa fuel lines which you will need to source separately. Its not cheap but if looking for a one stop solution this is the way to go. http://www.ekmpowershop2.com/ekmps/shops/conairsports/5-year-standard-replac ement-package-912ul--912uls-engines-only-359-p.asp The list price is about 500 but If you source the items separately you can get the job done at half the cost. The carb parts (eg: diaphragms) are standard Bing as used on BMW motorcycles. I can find two stockists in the uk - http://www.motobins.co.uk/ \ and http://www.motorworks.co.uk/ . If you source the diaphragms from these suppliers make sure they are the genuine Bing ones as they also sell cheaper nitrile ones which are claimed to be superior (but arent - for reasons I won't go into). Kevin Dilks may be able to help you with some parts. He is a Rotax engineer but NOT the official UK agent. He has worked for Rotax in Austria and knows where they source most of their components from. I believe he would also be able to supply a 5 yr kit but have no idea regarding cost. Kevin Dilks E-mail: Kevindilks912@btinternet.com Telephone: 0116 288 5643 Mobile Phone Number: 07564 192 942 Hope this helps. Carl Pattinson. G-LABS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd Sent: 05 September 2013 09:50 Subject: Europa-List: hose replacement --> <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk> Hi All, I'll be trailing my a/c back to my hangar ( big shed ) soon for some maintenance. the five year hose replacement is due early 2014 so I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and carry out the hose replacement at the same time. now a couple of questions, I'd like to use the same spring clips on the water hoses that Rotax use. so where can I get them and the tool needed to do the job ? secondly does anyone supply a full kit to change all the hoes fuel/oil/ water. or do I have to order them seperately? Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i


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    Time: 02:25:25 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
    Brian=0AI had a similar thought but had no evidence. =0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: Brian Davies <brian.davies@cla ra.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 5 September 20 13, 9:55=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand=0A =0A=0A =0A". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an =0A> airport pump."=0A-=0ADavid, you might be interested in the following news item;- =0A-=0AContaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident=0ABy:---MAVIS TOH-SINGAPORE=0A3 hours ago-=0A* Print=0AFuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a double engine malfunction on a-Cathay Pacifi c-Airbus A330-300 on approach to-Hong Kong International-airport (HKI A) in 2010.=0AIn a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel was uplifed into the aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. This caused " stiction" - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both engines, le ading to the total seizure of these components and the loss of thrust contr ols of the aircraft during approach to HKIA.=0AIt found that though the air craft was uplifed with the proper grade of fuel, it was contaminated with s uper absorbent polymer (SAP) spheres. During the flight, some-SAP-spher es were trapped in the fuel metering unit on both engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in engine pressure ratio fluctuations.=0A-=0A -=0AMoral- don't trust airport fuel pumps.- I still use my Mr Funnel ev en when I uplift from aviation pumps.=0A-=0ARegards=0A-=0ABrian=0A- =0AFrom:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of roddyeuropa@aol.com=0ASent: 05 September 2 013 09:39=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Refil ling a Europa by hand=0A-=0AI have used a polarn oump for a number of yea rs. The pump attaches to the top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can. Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:- =0Ahttp://w ww.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweeks-polar n-pump=0ANeeds an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the groun d.-=0ARoddy Kesterton=0AG-IKRK=0A-=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>=0ATo: europa-list <europa-list@matr onics.com>=0ASent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10=0ASubject: Europa-List: Refilling rteresq@onetel.net>=0A-=0AHi All.=0AMy plan is LAA cleared for use with M OGAS.=0AI fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my =0Ashoulders to fill the plan is hard work.=0AI know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time =0Asqueezi ng the trigger to re fill.??=0AHas anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged =0Ainto the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it =0Amake your own,??=0ARegards.=0A Alan=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0ARead this topic online here:=0A-=0Ahttp:// forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A -=0A-=0A-=0A-=0Aarget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Europa-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com /contribution=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Europa-List=0A< ------------ MATRONICS WEB FORU MS -=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A-=0ANo virus found in this message.=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0AV =========================0A =======================


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    Time: 08:12:43 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
    Brian, I should perhaps have added 'This side of Budapest'! There the Avgas supplied at the otherwise fantastic GA airfield of Buduors, came out a horrible yellow colour and you could imagine lumps in it too. But the policy has worked well for 12 years. Regards, David On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 09:55:50 +0100 "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote: > ". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from >an > >> airport pump." > > > > David, you might be interested in the following news >item;- > > > > Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident > > By: > <http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/mavis%20toh.html> > MAVIS TOH > SINGAPORE > > 3 hours ago > > * Print <javascript:window.print()> > >Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a >double engine > malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on >approach to Hong Kong > International airport (HKIA) in 2010. > > In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's >Civil Aviation > Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel >was uplifed into the > aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. >This caused "stiction" > - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both >engines, leading to > the total seizure of these components and the loss of >thrust controls of the > aircraft during approach to HKIA. > > It found that though the aircraft was uplifed with the >proper grade of fuel, > it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP) >spheres. During the > flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel >metering unit on both > engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in >engine pressure ratio > fluctuations. > > > > > > Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps. I still use my >Mr Funnel even when I > uplift from aviation pumps. > > > > Regards > > > > Brian > > > >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf Of > roddyeuropa@aol.com > Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand > > > > I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The >pump attaches to the > top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to >pressurize the jerry can. > Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base >of can to europa > filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel >transferred - probably > 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here: > > http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweek > s-polarn-pump > Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on >the ground. > > Roddy Kesterton > > G-IKRK > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> > To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10 > Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand > ><alancarteresq@onetel.net> > > Hi All. > My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. > I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this >weight of fuel to above > my > shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. > I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume >this take a lot of > time > squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? > Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump >that can be plugged > > into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any >on the market, so > is it > make your own,?? > Regards. > Alan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 > > > > > > > > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >


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    Time: 12:30:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
    From: John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com>
    Kelvin, David Thanks for the advice about keeping 'Mr Funnel' from falling over when refilling a Europa XS from a jerry can. Now why didn't I figure out something like that myself .... John On 5 Sep 2013, at 08:34, Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb@icloud.com> wrote: > > I am set up similar to David, I have the smallest 'Mr Funnel' and use a small length of para cord to tie to passenger lift strut.... Very secure. At the hangar I have a 'waggle side to side handled pump', but on trips just carry a plastic Jerry and my funnel and do the filling with good old fashioned brute force.... Hmmm, as I'm not getting any younger, perhaps one of those battery pump thingies might be worth a look :-) > > Sent from my iPad > > On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:05, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > >> >> John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> >> >> On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:27:54 +0100 >> John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi all >>> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good. >>> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this. >>> John >>> Europa XS G-JHKP >>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote: >>>>> Hi All. >>>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. >>>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. >>>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? >>>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Alan >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 >>> Un/Subscription, >>> Forums! >>> Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 12:43:06 PM PST US
    From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
    >>What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS).<< Mine's an XS also. Large Oblong shape funnel with a spout that has been cut so it's about 3 in long. Hooks into the filler and stays in place. Not upright admitted. Can has a spout fixed to it. Pour fuel from can without resting on funnel and don't overdo it, aim direct for funnel filter and try not to overfill funnel use a constant flow of fuel. Alan On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote: > What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS).


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    Time: 01:04:14 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: solid state contactors
    On 09/03/2013 09:03 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone has installed or has the expertise to evaluate these: > > http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerlinkjr/PowerLinkJrIIIManual.pdf > > thanks for any insights, Yeah, I have seen them too. For some purposes they could be fine. However I just use regular switches for almost all low power purposes. In the case I need relays (like for high current devices) I like to use real relays instead of SSR's. Look at the heat sink these SSR's have. They are there for a reason. The reason is voltage loss (and subsequent heat production in the relay). And one of the reasons you use a relay instead of a switch is to eliminate voltage loss due to lenghty wires. So these SSR's negate their own purpose in some way. I use regular car relays for high current switching purposes. Our aircraft see much daily less use than cars, and if these relays are fine for daily use in a car, they should be fine for an aircraft as well. Frans


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    Time: 02:13:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Side window for photography -is it easy, former?
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    I need to get the camera out through the perspex, fed up with reflections spoiling the shots. I looked at it a while back and I recall someone had a template for cutting out a glider style opening (Pete Jeffers?). I would be interested to know how hard it is to cut the perspex, whether you use the existing flap or it comes with its own? Where I can buy them from? Is a down flap best or slide? And where best to put it for strength and camera access. The cooling would be a help too. Thanks -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 75 hours 18 months g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408091#408091


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    Time: 02:50:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Side window for photography -is it easy, former?
    From: Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
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    Time: 04:31:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: solid state contactors
    From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Hi Fred, I did use one of his SCS switches about 6 or 7 years ago as my main contactor (not starter relay). My main attraction was that SCS does not have a hold in current and as you are aware the Rotax alternator is fairly weak. If worked okay for about 18 months and then one day the engine kicked back while it was cranking and it destroyed it. I think his new product has a much higher current rating, however I still do not know if it is robust enough for this application. In your case it solves problems you don't have and creates new ones. :) Regards Paul.


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    Time: 05:07:39 PM PST US
    From: K BURNS <kjburns@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Side window for photography -is it easy, former?
    Graeme,=0ASome good camera options to fasten on outside and use remote cont rols...=0Ahttp://www.flightcam360.com/=0A-=0AWe have some clear view pane ls and rails in the workshop off gliders...they can be sourced from mecaple x Switzerland...if you want a tint to match your aircraft.=0A-=0AThere is a high risk in installing in a old transparency as they get brittle due to UV and stress....there will be an annealing temperature, that also is risk y.=0A-=0AA high speed cut off saw (Air powered disk cutter ) is what we p refer to use, drill screw holes with a blunted drill to avoid snatch breaka ges...=0A-=0AMost gliders end up with damage from this area at some point in their life, usually caused by arms reaching in or out.=0A-=0AHence my opening sugestions !=0A-=0ABut a clear view panel saved us from coming t o grief , on take off at dawn from Elverum in Norway, mid winter at minus 1 5 degrees when the canopy instantly iced as we got off the ground at dawn, we circled the airfield as we climbed to meet the sun using the DV panels u ntil the ice melted !=0A-=0AKevin=0A =0A=0A______________________________ __=0A From: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.co m =0ASent: Thursday, 5 September 2013, 22:12=0ASubject: Europa-List: Side w indow for photography -is it easy, former?=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List messag e posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>=0A=0AI need to get the came ra out through the perspex, fed up with reflections spoiling the shots. I l ooked at it a while back and I recall someone had a template for cutting ou t a glider style opening (Pete Jeffers?). I would be interested to know how hard it is to cut the perspex, whether you use the existing flap or it com es with its own? Where I can buy them from?=0AIs a down flap best or slide? And where best to put it for strength and camera access.=0AThe cooling wou ld be a help too.=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A--------=0AGraeme Bird=0AG-UMPY=0AMono C lassic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W=0ANewby: 75 hours 18 months =0Ag(at)gdbmk.c o.uk=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic =========


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    Time: 07:22:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel filters
    From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
    Hi Raimo You mentioned: Notice: - Adding one-way-valve to the fuel return line (idea by Frans Veldman) is a great must (and mandatory at least for me). Can you elaborate a little on why you might want to put a one-way-valve on the fuel return line? Is this for a 914 fuel system? Thx. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 07:22:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel filters
    From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
    Hi Raimo You mentioned: Notice: - Adding one-way-valve to the fuel return line (idea by Frans Veldman) is a great must (and mandatory at least for me). Can you elaborate a little on why you might want to put a one-way-valve on the fuel return line? Is this for a 914 fuel system? Thx. Ron Parigoris




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