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1. 03:30 AM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Lynn Matteson)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: 3rd. Annual Page, AZ. Fly-in Adventure (Roger Lee)
4. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Keith Pickford)
5. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:40 PM - Re: A-2200 oil leak (ces308)
7. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Keith Pickford)
8. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Keith Pickford)
9. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (BobsV35B@aol.com)
10. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (Keith Pickford)
11. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: A-2200 oil leak (BobsV35B@aol.com)
12. 09:26 PM - Re: Was- A-2200 oil leak (Keith Pickford)
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Well, I got a vote for 15-50 from a former worker at Shell Oil
Company. He said because it was multi-grade, it was thinner at low
temps and therefore got into the bearings quicker. But my flight
instructor/A&P/IA says he feels like he gets better overall
lubrication with single grade Aeroshell W100. Also, I have recently
read that a certain portion of the multigrade stuff is a chemical
that makes it multigrade, and that chemical is non-lubricating, so
some of the "quart of oil" is not oil, so I've gone back to the
straight W100 (SAE 50), and now I use it year around. I heat my
engine in the wintertime, so the oil is already somewhat thin when I
start my engine, so in a sense, I'm doing what the multigrade
does....sort of.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:38 PM, ces308 wrote:
>
> Thank you Lynn,
> I have thought about that also. I have done the valve adjustments
> per the manual along with the heads and the last check at 15hrs all
> were good.My next check is at 25hrs along with an oil change.It is
> very little,but there.The engine runs great...I have been very
> impressed with the power it has on my M3X.I will wait awhile before
> I do anything.What about oil?....I have used AeroShell 15-50
> forever in my 172's O-320-e2d with terrific luck....what is your
> opinion on that...??
>
> chris ambrose
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Thanks, I was just going to look and see if you answered that. It
helps me and others to keep track of the engine history and what
Jabiru might have changed over the years. I'm not sure of when they
did it, but my engine had teflon-coated rocker arm bushings, which
failed, and that's why I mentioned checking the valve lash often.
When mine started to go bad, the first indication was a slightly
rough running engine, and loose valve adjustments. Setting them back
to .010" made it run well again. When this happened again, rather
soon, I started looking further and that's when I found brassy-
looking particles in the rocker covers.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:43 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> ...I forgot to tell you my engine is 22A-1228.
>
> chris ambrose
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247355#247355
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| Subject: | Re: 3rd. Annual Page, AZ. Fly-in Adventure |
I hope some of you are making reservations. This is a great flying adventure set
up for LSA's. We have a great time every year.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Hi Lynn
-
I replaced two rocker bushes at 900 hrs - now done 993 has been on Shell 15
- 50-since the running in oil was drained at 45 hours. We have cold winte
rs and warm summers and have fitted an oil thermostat
-
Regards
keith
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 10:31 PM
Thanks, I was just going to look and see if you answered that. It helps me
and others to keep track of the engine history and what Jabiru might have c
hanged over the years. I'm not sure of when they did it, but my engine had
teflon-coated rocker arm bushings, which failed, and that's why I mentioned
checking the valve lash often. When mine started to go bad, the first indi
cation was a slightly rough running engine, and loose valve adjustments. Se
tting them back to .010" made it run well again. When this happened again,
rather soon, I started looking further and that's when I found brassy-looki
ng particles in the rocker covers.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:43 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> ...I forgot to tell you my engine is 22A-1228.
>
> chris ambrose
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247355#247355
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Hi Keith-
Did you look at all the rocker bushings when you did the two? I'm
surprised only two needed replacing.
I decided against the oil thermostat because of the extra fittings
involved, and instead installed a butterfly-type valve to regulate
the air to the oil cooler. It works very well until I forget
sometimes to open it and that's when I wished I had the 'stat. : ) I
can actually leave it closed all winter long (flying on skis), and
this gets me into the habit of sometimes forgetting it, but the
warning light gets my attention.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Keith Pickford wrote:
> Hi Lynn
>
> I replaced two rocker bushes at 900 hrs - now done 993 has been on
> Shell 15- 50 since the running in oil was drained at 45 hours. We
> have cold winters and warm summers and have fitted an oil thermostat
>
> Regards
> keith
>
> --- On Tue, 9/6/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 10:31 PM
>
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks, I was just going to look and see if you answered that. It
> helps me and others to keep track of the engine history and what
> Jabiru might have changed over the years. I'm not sure of when they
> did it, but my engine had teflon-coated rocker arm bushings, which
> failed, and that's why I mentioned checking the valve lash often.
> When mine started to go bad, the first indication was a slightly
> rough running engine, and loose valve adjustments... Setting them
> back to .010" made it run well again. When this happened again,
> rather soon, I started looking further and that's when I found
> brassy-looking particles in the rocker covers.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:43 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> > ...I forgot to tell you my engine is 22A-1228.
> >
> > chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Thank guys,for the heads up on the engine.I will keep my eyes open for the problems.Anything
else I should be looking for?
chris ambrose
m3x/jab 21.6hrs
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Hi Lynn
-
Yes checked them all - the two I replaced were both on number one cyl. Will
be doing a top overhaul before too long. Went with the oil thermostat as w
e have many people of different experience levels flying the aircraft and I
wanted to keep it simple.
Also about to strip a earley hydraulic lifter engine (ser # 2440) that need
s line boring after 500 hours.
-
Regards
Keith
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
Received: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 12:37 PM
Hi Keith-
Did you look at all the rocker bushings when you did the two? I'm surprised
only two needed replacing.
I decided against the oil thermostat because of the extra fittings involved
, and instead installed a butterfly-type valve to regulate the air to the o
il cooler. It works very well until I forget sometimes to open it and that'
s when I wished I had the 'stat. : ) I can actually leave it closed all win
ter long (flying on skis), and this gets me into the habit of sometimes for
getting it, but the warning light gets my attention.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Hi Chris
-
Only other thought at this stage is don't hurry to change from the straight
(running in) oil if the oil burn has not settled - we have one motor done
42 hours and haven't changed to the multi grade yet.
-
Regards
Keith
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote:
From: ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com>
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
Received: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 1:39 PM
Thank guys,for the heads up on the engine.I will keep my eyes open for the
problems.Anything else I should be looking for?
chris ambrose
m3x/jab- ---21.6hrs
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Good Evening Keith,
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to use a different oil for break in
than you do for normal use?
Following the recommendation of a local Boutique engine shop owner, I have
broken in my last three engines using multigrade aviation oil. Seemed to
work just fine. They all ran good, broke in fast and seem to be doing just
fine. The rings were fully seated in way less than five hours. The first one
I broke in that way was retired after running eighteen hundred hours
without a cylinder being pulled or any major component needing service. I think
the old mineral oil idea is just an ancient Old Wive's Tale!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 6/9/2009 9:00:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kpickford@xtra.co.nz writes:
Hi Chris
Only other thought at this stage is don't hurry to change from the
straight (running in) oil if the oil burn has not settled - we have one motor
done
42 hours and haven't changed to the multi grade yet.
Regards
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Hi Bob
-
That's interesting - as you say - is it an old wives tail - I believe Jabir
u and Lycoming still recomend straight oil initially. I believed the reason
was that the friction reducing additives- would glaze the bores before t
he rings were bedded in.- I'm certainly no expert on oils, but have had a
good result with aviation multi grade with our variations of temperature h
ere. And of course we could start another discussion on the best way to bre
ak in a new engine ???
-
Regards
Keith
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From: BobsV35B@aol.com <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
Received: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 2:29 PM
Good Evening Keith,
-
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to use a different oil for break in
than you do for normal use?
-
Following the recommendation of a local Boutique engine shop owner, I have
broken in my last three engines using multigrade aviation oil. Seemed to wo
rk just fine. They all ran good, broke in fast and seem to be doing just fi
ne. The rings were fully seated in way less than five hours. The first one
I broke in that way was retired after running eighteen hundred hours withou
t a cylinder being pulled-or any major component needing service.- I th
ink the old mineral oil idea is just an ancient Old Wive's Tale!
-
Happy Skies,
-
Old Bob
-
In a message dated 6/9/2009 9:00:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kpickford@x
tra.co.nz writes:
Hi Chris
-
Only other thought at this stage is don't hurry to change from the straight
(running in) oil if the oil burn has not settled - we have one motor done
42 hours and haven't changed to the multi grade yet.
-
Regards
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: A-2200 oil leak |
Agreed Keith,
Most shops are still recommending a "break in" oil, but many top shops have
switched over to recommending using multigrade. I was an early adopter and
have been very happy.
I did follow the recommendation to fly it hard right away. Seventy-five
percent or higher with particular effort to keep cylinder pressures high..
I spent many hours as a young aviator slow timing engines. I now believe
that was a major waste of time and I do not think the engines ever ran as
good as do those that we break in hard and early. The slow time and heavy oils
may have been needed fifty to sixty years ago when fits and finish were
not as good as they are today.
My last two certificated engines I even broke in using lean of peak
mixtures. That is a bit trickier because you have to be sure the mixture
distribution to every cylinder is extremely accurate and well balanced, but it
does
work if all the bases are covered.
Unfortunately, I know of no way to do that with a Jabiru. I broke in a
3300 last year, but just used the mixture as it came from the factory. We did
run it hard though and used multi grade oil. In an effort to get it ready
for Sun and Fun, I flew the thing 24 hours in three days! Our son and his
daughter flew off the rest of the time in a couple of days before taking it
to the show.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 6/9/2009 10:10:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kpickford@xtra.co.nz writes:
Hi Bob
That's interesting - as you say - is it an old wives tail - I believe
Jabiru and Lycoming still recommend straight oil initially. I believed the
reason was that the friction reducing additives would glaze the bores before
the rings were bedded in. I'm certainly no expert on oils, but have had a
good result with aviation multi grade with our variations of temperature
here. And of course we could start another discussion on the best way to break
in a new engine ???
Regards
Keith
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, BobsV35B@aol.com <BobsV35B@aol.com> wrote:
From: BobsV35B@aol.com <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
Received: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 2:29 PM
Good Evening Keith,
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to use a different oil for break in
than you do for normal use?
Following the recommendation of a local Boutique engine shop owner, I have
broken in my last three engines using multigrade aviation oil. Seemed to
work just fine. They all ran good, broke in fast and seem to be doing just
fine. The rings were fully seated in way less than five hours. The first one
I broke in that way was retired after running eighteen hundred hours
without a cylinder being pulled or any major component needing service. I think
the old mineral oil idea is just an ancient Old Wive's Tale!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 6/9/2009 9:00:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kpickford@xtra.co.nz writes:
Hi Chris
Only other thought at this stage is don't hurry to change from the
straight (running in) oil if the oil burn has not settled - we have one motor
done
42 hours and haven't changed to the multi grade yet.
Regards
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: Was- A-2200 oil leak |
Thanks for sharing that Bob
-
We have just replaced a 2200 engine at 500 hours that broke a thru-stud b
etween numbers 3 & 4 cyl. We were running the carb as supplied but apparent
ly it was too lean and when we replaced the stud the crankcase halves tight
ened on the crank.We have put a new (latest spec) motor in and have done 30
hours of circuit work. Haven't pulled the other motor apart yet, but it wi
ll have to be line bored and plan on fitting the later camshaft and followe
rs
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From: BobsV35B@aol.com <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: A-2200 oil leak
Received: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 3:29 PM
Agreed Keith,
-
Most shops are still recommending a "break in" oil, but many top shops have
switched over to recommending using multigrade. I was an early adopter and
have been very happy.
-
I did follow the recommendation to fly it hard right away. Seventy-five per
cent or higher with particular effort to keep cylinder pressures high..-
-
I spent many hours as a young aviator slow timing engines. I now believe th
at was a major waste of time and I do not think the engines ever ran as goo
d as do those that we break in hard and early. The slow time and heavy oils
may have been needed fifty to sixty years ago when fits and finish were no
t as good as they are today.
-
My last two certificated engines I even broke in using lean of peak mixture
s. That is a bit trickier because you have to be sure the mixture distribut
ion to every cylinder is extremely accurate and well balanced, but it does
work if all the bases are covered.
-
Unfortunately, I know of no way to do that with a Jabiru.- I broke in a 3
300 last year, but just used the mixture as it came from the factory. We di
d run it hard though and used multi grade oil.- In an effort to get it re
ady for Sun and Fun, I flew the thing 24 hours in three days! Our son and h
is daughter flew off the rest of the time in a couple of days before taking
it to the show.
-
Happy Skies,
-
Old Bob
-
In a message dated 6/9/2009 10:10:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kpickford@
xtra.co.nz writes:
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