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Please remove me from the Jabiru-engine list.
Thanks
My email address is gpjann1@netzero.com
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1. 12:27 AM - The sweet sound of saving money (James, Clive R)
2. 02:54 AM - Free Flying Books (James, Clive R)
3. 04:41 AM - Re: Free Flying Books (Deb and Peter Zweck)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Mark Hubelbank)
5. 06:49 AM - Way Off Topic, But!! (BobsV35B@aol.com)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Don Honabach)
7. 11:29 AM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Don Honabach)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Charles Gallagher)
9. 12:02 PM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Don Honabach)
10. 02:33 PM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Martin Hone)
11. 02:40 PM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Martin Hone)
12. 05:10 PM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Lynn Matteson)
13. 06:43 PM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Martin Hone)
14. 06:43 PM - Re: Voltmeter advice needed (japhillipsga@aol.com)
15. 06:55 PM - Re: Liquid Cooled Heads... (Lynn Matteson)
16. 11:07 PM - Re: Voltmeter advice needed (Keith Pickford)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 12:27:14 AM PST US
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: The sweet sound of saving money
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
http://www.love4aviation.com/Equipment/Silencers/x_emc/177/emu/08633.htm
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Be good to get one of these for a Jab?
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 02:54:11 AM PST US
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Free Flying Books
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
http://flybetter.com.au/index.html
I came across these and like the light hearted style.
They are free though the guys ask for a nominal Pay Pal dollar or so if
you find them helpful.
I plan to ping them on my PDA and when I'm stuck with nothing to read
when travelling chew through a chapter or two.
Regards, Clive
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 04:41:43 AM PST US
From: Deb and Peter Zweck <debandpete@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Free Flying Books
I recommend these books too. I'm only a student pilot but I find the
style very readable and I've learned a lot. And unlike most things in
aviation...you can't beat the price (and the motivation for writing the
books). There is also a facebook page for those that are into that sort
of thing... http://www.facebook.com/Fly.Better.1
Peter
On 07/22/2011 07:50 PM, James, Clive R wrote:
>
> _http://flybetter.com.au/index.html_
>
> I came across these and like the light hearted style.
>
> They are free though the guys ask for a nominal Pay Pal dollar or so
> if you find them helpful.
>
> I plan to ping them on my PDA and when I'm stuck with nothing to read
> when travelling chew through a chapter or two.
>
> Regards, Clive
>
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 05:43:49 AM PST US
From: Mark Hubelbank <mhubel@nemon.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
Todd,
For the record, I replaced all the strobes and position lights with
LED types and reduced the current demand significantly, Now all the
lights together are an average of about 1 amp. The Jabiru does not have
much margin but with the LED lights, I believe the load of the water
pump could be tolerated.
On 07/22/2011 12:24 AM, Todd Bristol wrote:
>
> I am also in Phoenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am
> concerned about High Temps and Head Wear. The water cooled heads look
> good but are a bit pricey. I am also concerned that the 20 amp
> Alternator will not put out enough current to run the water pump as I
> already have low amperage issues. Does anyone know what our original
> heads are worth in attempt to sell them to offset the cost of the
> water cooled heads?
>
> Todd Bristol
> Great Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless!
> Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game Shows
> Mesa, Arizona
> 480-755-4200
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> www.gameshowsamerica.com
> www.condopenasco.com
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> --- On *Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone /<aerobiz1@gmail.com>/* wrote:
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> From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM
>
> Hi Don,
>
> I have just completed fitting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled
> Heads on a J230 that had chronic overheating issues, such that it
> had to have two heads reconditioned at less than 100 hrs from new,
> and again at 200 hrs. I made some mods to the carb and induction
> plenum to try and get better distribution, but the LC heads have
> made a huge difference.
> I have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet (#245) and temps are ,
> if anything, a bit on the cool side. Very straightforward to fit
> and sort out the plumbing. Added 16 lbs to the weight, but am
> looking at ditching the muffler and running a pair of 3-1
> collectors, which should get about 5-6 lbs off.
>
> We have tried everything else, and it has worked for us.
>
> Martin
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach
> <don.honabach@pcperfect.com
> <http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=don.honabach@pcperfect.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Saw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes liquid cooled
> heads for the Jabiru Engines.
>
> http://www.rotecaerosport.com/product-info/lch/
>
> I rarely have cooling problems on my 3300A. Evening though Im in
> Arizona, worst case is if the engine gets heat soaked on the
> ground I have to baby the plane to altitude to avoid going over
> 350F CHTs during our hot summer days.
>
> That said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting
> product. If nothing else, I would feel better about de-stressing
> the engine by running it cooler and distributing the heat load
> evenly which is impossible to do with the air cooled/carb setup.
>
> Pete, any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don Honabach
>
> Tempe, AZ
>
> Zodiac 601HDS 3300A (~200 Hours)
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 06:49:31 AM PST US
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: Way Off Topic, But!! JabiruEngine-List:
Good Morning Bruce,
I am afraid it all Depends.<G>
I am not smart enough to be sure I always will have visual reference so I
want to be able to fly in cloud and at night when there are no external
visual indications to tell me which way is up.
I do know at least one friend who has been flying for about sixty years who
is strictly VFR. He flies a Bonanza and uses it regularly. Works for him
It is my opinion that it takes a lot longer to teach a pilot how to be safe
when flying VFR than it does to teach him/her how to fly IFR.
For just me, personally, I want a standard Turn and Bank. I hate those new
turn coordinators, but that is just my feeling. There are others who want
two artificial horizons in their airplane. To each his own. ALL of my
airplanes, including my Stearman have Turn and Bank instruments.
After a bit more than 65 years and some 38,000 hours, I find I often make
mistakes and I want a way out.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Stearman N3977A
Downers Grove, IL
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In a message dated 7/21/2011 11:43:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
gpabruce@gmail.com writes:
I love big global statements . . .wouldn't fuel quantity be somewhat
important? Have you ever got caught in the soup before? I like a few little
clues when that happens. Really an oil gauge doesn't help a lot since you can't
do anything if you don't like the reading anyway unless a passenger farts
at which time I'd rather not smell it . . . The old pilot has never been
caught in the soup . . . maybe a hangar pilot? You know the ground is below
you? You haven't been in the soup . . .better carry a gold necklace, it
will point to the ground for you.
Gads you really haven't been caught in the soup yet. . . you've been
luckyyyyyyyyy Try wearing a hood for a bit and then write that list. Better yet
take an IFR course and drive into the soup.
Not only soup but out West here we have places with no lights and with
some overcast blocking out the stars and moon, you have no reference but
you're still VFR . . . unless you have really super good smell . . . I'd say
you will be crying and begging for relief real soon. Gads could I tell you
real life stories . . . Go ahead and fly with just an oil pressure gauge
and let me know how that works for ya. (I'm not talking about touch and go's
in the pattern type flying . . .I mean real flying. :-)
Bruce
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Keith Pickford <_kpickford@xtra.co.nz_
(mailto:kpickford@xtra.co.nz) > wrote:
The only instrument that is handy is the oil pressure gauge !! and that
is only for a comparison - the reading doesn't matter . no need for
calibration.
Everything else is covered by the nomal senses.
Unless you are blind deaf and can't smell - then you shouldn't be flying
!!!
I always remember an old pilot telling me you don't need an altimeter or
ASI
If the ground is below you , you have altitude
If the ground is moving you have airspeed.
No need for a rev counter
If the engine is making a noise, its going
Gives you more time to look outside the plane ??
Happy Flying
Keith
--- On Fri, 22/7/11, b d <_gpabruce@gmail.com_ (mailto:gpabruce@gmail.com)
> wrote:
From: b d <_gpabruce@gmail.com_ (mailto:gpabruce@gmail.com) >
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
(mailto:jabiruengine-list@matronics.com)
As I recall, there is an old Chinese proverb about flying . . . "Pilot who
fly's upside down will have crack up" . . . . I found that always to be
true! :-) Also, old airmail pilots used to hang a gold necklace from the
compass to tell if they are right side up in the fog . . . kinda simple
instrumentation when all else fails . . . problem is I have no gold left.
In my field of work, everything's gone digital and programmable. Problem
is the old timers who were masters at calibration and certification have
gone and the new bucks don't realize that all instrumentation must be
calibrated and verified to a NIST standard to be useful. Without that, a person
might as well be using the old necklace as a guide. When the necklace is
pointing towards the headliner . . . then "pilot is flying with his crack up".
Soon he will hear that loud sound of silence and his heart beat just
before the ground rises up to smite his butt.
No matter what the precision and resolution, if it ain't calibrated it's
just extra weight. It becomes just pretty GIGO . . garbage in, garbage out.
Bruce
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Time: 11:24:05 AM PST US
From: Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com>
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 11:29:14 AM PST US
From: Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com>
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 11:50:43 AM PST US
From: Charles Gallagher <crg326@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
Don,check YOUTUBE...search .Rotec=C2- see it there in action. CRG=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Don Honabach <don.honabach@p
cperfect.com>=0ATo: "jabiruengine-list@matronics.com" <jabiruengine-list@ma
tronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:28 PM=0ASubject: RE: JabiruEng
ine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...=0A=0A=0AMartin - =0A=C2-=0AAny chance yo
u could post some pics of the install? In particular anything that would sh
ow the water radiator and installation?=C3=82=C2- =0A=0AThanks!=0ADon=0A
=C2-=0AFrom:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-ja
biruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Todd Bristol=0ASent: Thu
rsday, July 21, 2011 9:25 PM=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com=0ASubjec
t: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...=0A=C2-=0AI am also in Ph
oenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am concerned about High Te
mps and Head Wear.=C2- The water cooled heads look good but are a bit pri
cey.=C2- I am also concerned that the 20 amp Alternator will not put out
enough current to run the water pump as I already have low amperage issues.
=C2- Does anyone know what our original heads are worth in attempt to sel
l them to offset the cost of the water cooled heads?=0A=C2-=0ATodd Bristo
l=0AGreat Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless!=0AInteractive En
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-=0A=0A=0A--- On Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com> wrote:=0A
=0AFrom: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-List:
Liquid Cooled Heads...=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com=0ADate: Thurs
day, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM=0AHi Don, =0A=C2-=0AI have just completed fit
ting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled Heads on a J230 that had chronic over
heating issues, such that it had to have two heads reconditioned at less th
an 100 hrs from new, and again at 200 hrs. =C2-I made some mods to the ca
rb and induction plenum to try and get better distribution, but the LC head
s have made a huge difference.=0AI have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet
=C2-(#245) =C2-and temps are , if anything, a bit on the cool side. =C2
-Very straightforward to fit and sort out the plumbing. =C2-Added 16 lb
s to the weight, but am looking at ditching the muffler and running a pair
of 3-1 collectors, which should get about 5-6 lbs off.=0A=C2-=0AWe have t
ried everything else, and it has worked for us.=0A=C2-=0AMartin=0AOn Fri,
Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com> wrote:
=0ASaw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes =C3=A2=82=AC=9C l
iquid cooled heads for the Jabiru Engines.=0A=C2-=0Ahttp://www.rotecaeros
port.com/product-info/lch/=0A=C2-=0AI rarely have cooling problems on my
3300A. Evening though I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m in Arizona, worst case is
if the engine gets heat soaked on the ground I have to baby the plane to al
titude to avoid going over 350F CHTs during our hot summer days.=0A=C2-
=0AThat said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting product.
If nothing else, I would feel better about =C3=A2=82=AC=CB=9Cde-stressin
g the engine=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2 by running it cooler and distributing
the heat load evenly which is impossible to do with the air cooled/carb set
up.=0A=C2-=0APete, any thoughts on this?=0A=C2-=0AThanks!=0A=C2-=0ADo
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Time: 12:02:31 PM PST US
From: Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com>
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 02:33:32 PM PST US
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
Hi Don,
As Richard pointed out, there is a lot on Youtube, but the Rotec website is
full of great stuff. If you want pics of our own installation, email me
directly and I can send to you. Our installation is overly conservative.
We live in a hot part of the world so I oversized the radiator and placed
it directly under the prop. I had to add an inline thermostat to get some
temps into it. When I do another one, the radiator will be 1/2 the size and
placed under the engine.
Cheers
Martin
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com>w
rote:
> Martin - ****
>
> ** **
>
> Any chance you could post some pics of the install? In particular anythin
g
> that would show the water radiator and installation?
>
> Thanks!****
>
> Don****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Todd Bristol
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:25 PM
> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...****
>
> ** **
>
> I am also in Phoenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am
> concerned about High Temps and Head Wear. The water cooled heads look go
od
> but are a bit pricey. I am also concerned that the 20 amp Alternator wil
l
> not put out enough current to run the water pump as I already have low
> amperage issues. Does anyone know what our original heads are worth in
> attempt to sell them to offset the cost of the water cooled heads?****
>
> ** **
>
> Todd Bristol****
>
> Great Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless!****
>
> Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game Shows****
>
> Mesa, Arizona****
>
> 480-755-4200****
>
> www.djs4u.com
> www.gameshowsamerica.com
> www.condopenasco.com****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>* wrote:****
>
>
> From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM****
>
> Hi Don, ****
>
> ** **
>
> I have just completed fitting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled Heads on a
> J230 that had chronic overheating issues, such that it had to have two he
ads
> reconditioned at less than 100 hrs from new, and again at 200 hrs. I mad
e
> some mods to the carb and induction plenum to try and get better
> distribution, but the LC heads have made a huge difference.****
>
> I have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet (#245) and temps are , if
> anything, a bit on the cool side. Very straightforward to fit and sort o
ut
> the plumbing. Added 16 lbs to the weight, but am looking at ditching the
> muffler and running a pair of 3-1 collectors, which should get about 5-6
lbs
> off.****
>
> ** **
>
> We have tried everything else, and it has worked for us.****
>
> ** **
>
> Martin****
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com
<http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=don.honabach@pcperfect.com
>>
> wrote:****
>
> Saw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes =93 liquid cooled hea
ds for the
> Jabiru Engines.****
>
> ****
>
> http://www.rotecaerosport.com/product-info/lch/****
>
> ****
>
> I rarely have cooling problems on my 3300A. Evening though I=99m in
Arizona,
> worst case is if the engine gets heat soaked on the ground I have to baby
> the plane to altitude to avoid going over 350F CHTs during our hot summer
> days.****
>
> ****
>
> That said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting product. I
f
> nothing else, I would feel better about =98de-stressing the engine
=99 by running
> it cooler and distributing the heat load evenly which is impossible to do
> with the air cooled/carb setup.****
>
> ****
>
> Pete, any thoughts on this?****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ****
>
> Don Honabach****
>
> Tempe, AZ ****
>
> Zodiac 601HDS =93 3300A (~200 Hours)****
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 02:40:18 PM PST US
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
Don,
You have a few options regarding a mixture adjusting carb - Aerocarb,
Ellison TB and Rotec TB. I have used both the Aerocarb and the Rotec TBI,
and the Rotec unit is the more sophisticated. If you are running unleaded
fuel, you might also like to consider adding a wide-band Air Fuel Ratio
meter. Makes getting the correct mixture a breeze.
Also permits running LOP if you are interested in another tin of
worms.......
Cheers
Martin
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com>w
rote:
> For what it worth, I have the LED setup on my plane and love it and was
> pretty much essential after seeing the AMP draw of traditional landing
> light(s), strobes, etc. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Just thinking out loud ****
>
> ** **
>
> One of the things I=99ve been tossing around in the back of my head
is to
> switch out the bing carb. I tend to like to fly at the higher power ratin
gs
> and get taxed heavily with excessive fuel burn rates using the bing carb.
As
> such, going to a more traditional carb where I can adjust the mixture mig
ht
> make sense and would solve the high burn rate issue (assumption here?),
as
> would probably messing with the bing needles if I stuck with a bing carb.
In
> either case though, if I do that, chances are my temps will climb so it i
s a
> bit of a balancing act for sure. I=99m thinking that the LC heads w
ould allow
> me to have the best of both worlds (low fuel burn rates, high power
> settings, low temps) even on a hot day sort of thing****
>
> ** **
>
> Don****
>
> ** **
>
> P.S. Todd, where are you based in AZ? Any chance over at P19? I thought I
> saw a Titan there the other day. If so, I=99m the red/white Zodie b
y the fuel
> pumps.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> Hubelbank
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2011 5:41 AM
> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...****
>
> ** **
>
> Todd,
> For the record, I replaced all the strobes and position lights with L
ED
> types and reduced the current demand significantly, Now all the lights
> together are an average of about 1 amp. The Jabiru does not have much mar
gin
> but with the LED lights, I believe the load of the water pump could be
> tolerated.
>
> On 07/22/2011 12:24 AM, Todd Bristol wrote: ****
>
> I am also in Phoenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am
> concerned about High Temps and Head Wear. The water cooled heads look go
od
> but are a bit pricey. I am also concerned that the 20 amp Alternator wil
l
> not put out enough current to run the water pump as I already have low
> amperage issues. Does anyone know what our original heads are worth in
> attempt to sell them to offset the cost of the water cooled heads?****
>
> Todd Bristol****
>
> Great Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless!****
>
> Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game Shows****
>
> Mesa, Arizona****
>
> 480-755-4200****
>
> www.djs4u.com
> www.gameshowsamerica.com
> www.condopenasco.com****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com><aerobiz1@gmail.com
>
> * wrote:
>
> ****
>
>
> From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com> <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM****
>
> Hi Don, ****
>
> ** **
>
> I have just completed fitting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled Heads on a
> J230 that had chronic overheating issues, such that it had to have two he
ads
> reconditioned at less than 100 hrs from new, and again at 200 hrs. I mad
e
> some mods to the carb and induction plenum to try and get better
> distribution, but the LC heads have made a huge difference.****
>
> I have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet (#245) and temps are , if
> anything, a bit on the cool side. Very straightforward to fit and sort o
ut
> the plumbing. Added 16 lbs to the weight, but am looking at ditching the
> muffler and running a pair of 3-1 collectors, which should get about 5-6
lbs
> off.****
>
> ** **
>
> We have tried everything else, and it has worked for us.****
>
> ** **
>
> Martin****
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.com
<http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=don.honabach@pcperfect.com
>>
> wrote:
>
> ****
>
> Saw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes =93 liquid cooled hea
ds for the
> Jabiru Engines.****
>
> ****
>
> http://www.rotecaerosport.com/product-info/lch/****
>
> ****
>
> I rarely have cooling problems on my 3300A. Evening though I=99m in
Arizona,
> worst case is if the engine gets heat soaked on the ground I have to baby
> the plane to altitude to avoid going over 350F CHTs during our hot summer
> days.****
>
> ****
>
> That said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting product. I
f
> nothing else, I would feel better about =98de-stressing the engine
=99 by running
> it cooler and distributing the heat load evenly which is impossible to do
> with the air cooled/carb setup. ****
>
> ****
>
> Pete, any thoughts on this? ****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks! ****
>
> ****
>
> Don Honabach ****
>
> Tempe, AZ ****
>
> Zodiac 601HDS =93 3300A (~200 Hours) ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-L
ist*
>
> *tp://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> * *
>
> ** **
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *ist" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?J
abiruEngine-List*
>
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>
> *llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
>
> ****
>
> -- ****
>
> Mark Hubelbank****
>
> NorthEast Monitoring****
>
> 2 Clock Tower Place****
>
> Suite 555****
>
> Maynard, MA, 01754 - USA****
>
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>
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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 05:10:55 PM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
What make of A/F meter do you have, Martin? Answer quickly, as I'm
heading to Oshkosh with room on my credit card (but none on my
panel....drats!). : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1142 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Martin Hone wrote:
> Don,
>
> You have a few options regarding a mixture adjusting carb -
> Aerocarb, Ellison TB and Rotec TB. I have used both the Aerocarb
> and the Rotec TBI, and the Rotec unit is the more sophisticated.
> If you are running unleaded fuel, you might also like to consider
> adding a wide-band Air Fuel Ratio meter. Makes getting the correct
> mixture a breeze.
> Also permits running LOP if you are interested in another tin of
> worms.......
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Don Honabach
> <don.honabach@pcperfect.com> wrote:
> For what it worth, I have the LED setup on my plane and love it and
> was pretty much essential after seeing the AMP draw of traditional
> landing light(s), strobes, etc.
>
>
> Just thinking out loud
>
>
> One of the things Ive been tossing around in the back of my head
> is to switch out the bing carb. I tend to like to fly at the higher
> power ratings and get taxed heavily with excessive fuel burn rates
> using the bing carb. As such, going to a more traditional carb
> where I can adjust the mixture might make sense and would solve the
> high burn rate issue (assumption here?), as would probably messing
> with the bing needles if I stuck with a bing carb. In either case
> though, if I do that, chances are my temps will climb so it is a
> bit of a balancing act for sure. Im thinking that the LC heads
> would allow me to have the best of both worlds (low fuel burn
> rates, high power settings, low temps) even on a hot day sort of
> thing
>
>
> Don
>
>
> P.S. Todd, where are you based in AZ? Any chance over at P19? I
> thought I saw a Titan there the other day. If so, Im the red/white
> Zodie by the fuel pumps.
>
>
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hubelbank
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:41 AM
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
>
>
> Todd,
> For the record, I replaced all the strobes and position lights
> with LED types and reduced the current demand significantly, Now
> all the lights together are an average of about 1 amp. The Jabiru
> does not have much margin but with the LED lights, I believe the
> load of the water pump could be tolerated.
>
> On 07/22/2011 12:24 AM, Todd Bristol wrote:
>
> I am also in Phoenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am
> concerned about High Temps and Head Wear. The water cooled heads
> look good but are a bit pricey. I am also concerned that the 20
> amp Alternator will not put out enough current to run the water
> pump as I already have low amperage issues. Does anyone know what
> our original heads are worth in attempt to sell them to offset the
> cost of the water cooled heads?
>
> Todd Bristol
>
> Great Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless!
>
> Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game Shows
>
> Mesa, Arizona
>
> 480-755-4200
>
> www.djs4u.com
> www.gameshowsamerica.com
> www.condopenasco.com
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM
>
> Hi Don,
>
>
> I have just completed fitting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled
> Heads on a J230 that had chronic overheating issues, such that it
> had to have two heads reconditioned at less than 100 hrs from new,
> and again at 200 hrs. I made some mods to the carb and induction
> plenum to try and get better distribution, but the LC heads have
> made a huge difference.
>
> I have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet (#245) and temps are ,
> if anything, a bit on the cool side. Very straightforward to fit
> and sort out the plumbing. Added 16 lbs to the weight, but am
> looking at ditching the muffler and running a pair of 3-1
> collectors, which should get about 5-6 lbs off.
>
>
> We have tried everything else, and it has worked for us.
>
>
> Martin
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach
> <don.honabach@pcperfect.com> wrote:
>
>
> Saw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes liquid cooled heads
> for the Jabiru Engines.
>
>
> http://www.rotecaerosport.com/product-info/lch/
>
>
> I rarely have cooling problems on my 3300A. Evening though Im in
> Arizona, worst case is if the engine gets heat soaked on the ground
> I have to baby the plane to altitude to avoid going over 350F CHTs
> during our hot summer days.
>
>
> That said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting
> product. If nothing else, I would feel better about de-stressing
> the engine by running it cooler and distributing the heat load
> evenly which is impossible to do with the air cooled/carb setup.
>
>
> Pete, any thoughts on this?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Don Honabach
>
> Tempe, AZ
>
> Zodiac 601HDS 3300A (~200 Hours)
>
>
> ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?
> JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://
> www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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> Navigator?JabiruEngine-List et=_blank>http://
> forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/
> contribution
>
>
> -- Mark Hubelbank NorthEast Monitoring2 Clock Tower PlaceSuite
> 555Maynard, MA, 01754 - USAmhubel@nemon.com 978-443-3955
>
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> ==========================================================
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 06:43:01 PM PST US
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
I bought a FAST gauge (analogue, but they have digital) from JEGS in the
States. Love it.
Not sure they will be at OSH though
Marty
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> What make of A/F meter do you have, Martin? Answer quickly, as I'm headin
g
> to Oshkosh with room on my credit card (but none on my panel....drats!).
> : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062
> Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
> Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1142 hrs (since
> 3-27-2006)
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Martin Hone wrote:
>
> Don,
>>
>> You have a few options regarding a mixture adjusting carb - Aerocarb,
>> Ellison TB and Rotec TB. I have used both the Aerocarb and the Rotec TB
I,
>> and the Rotec unit is the more sophisticated. If you are running unlead
ed
>> fuel, you might also like to consider adding a wide-band Air Fuel Ratio
>> meter. Makes getting the correct mixture a breeze.
>> Also permits running LOP if you are interested in another tin of
>> worms.......
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.co
m>
>> wrote:
>> For what it worth, I have the LED setup on my plane and love it and was
>> pretty much essential after seeing the AMP draw of traditional landing
>> light(s), strobes, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just thinking out loud
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the things I=99ve been tossing around in the back of my hea
d is to
>> switch out the bing carb. I tend to like to fly at the higher power rati
ngs
>> and get taxed heavily with excessive fuel burn rates using the bing carb
. As
>> such, going to a more traditional carb where I can adjust the mixture mi
ght
>> make sense and would solve the high burn rate issue (assumption here?),
as
>> would probably messing with the bing needles if I stuck with a bing carb
. In
>> either case though, if I do that, chances are my temps will climb so it
is a
>> bit of a balancing act for sure. I=99m thinking that the LC heads
would allow
>> me to have the best of both worlds (low fuel burn rates, high power
>> settings, low temps) even on a hot day sort of thing
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. Todd, where are you based in AZ? Any chance over at P19? I thought
I
>> saw a Titan there the other day. If so, I=99m the red/white Zodie
by the fuel
>> pumps.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-**server@matronics.com<owner-jabiruengine-
list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:
>> owner-jabiruengine-**list-server@matronics.com<owner-jabiruengine-list-s
erver@matronics.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Hubelbank
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:41 AM
>> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.**com <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd,
>> For the record, I replaced all the strobes and position lights with L
ED
>> types and reduced the current demand significantly, Now all the lights
>> together are an average of about 1 amp. The Jabiru does not have much ma
rgin
>> but with the LED lights, I believe the load of the water pump could be
>> tolerated.
>>
>> On 07/22/2011 12:24 AM, Todd Bristol wrote:
>>
>> I am also in Phoenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am
>> concerned about High Temps and Head Wear. The water cooled heads look g
ood
>> but are a bit pricey. I am also concerned that the 20 amp Alternator wi
ll
>> not put out enough current to run the water pump as I already have low
>> amperage issues. Does anyone know what our original heads are worth in
>> attempt to sell them to offset the cost of the water cooled heads?
>>
>> Todd Bristol
>>
>> Great Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless!
>>
>> Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game Shows
>>
>> Mesa, Arizona
>>
>> 480-755-4200
>>
>> www.djs4u.com
>> www.gameshowsamerica.com
>> www.condopenasco.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
>> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.**com <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just completed fitting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled Heads on
a
>> J230 that had chronic overheating issues, such that it had to have two h
eads
>> reconditioned at less than 100 hrs from new, and again at 200 hrs. I ma
de
>> some mods to the carb and induction plenum to try and get better
>> distribution, but the LC heads have made a huge difference.
>>
>> I have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet (#245) and temps are , if
>> anything, a bit on the cool side. Very straightforward to fit and sort
out
>> the plumbing. Added 16 lbs to the weight, but am looking at ditching th
e
>> muffler and running a pair of 3-1 collectors, which should get about 5-6
lbs
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have tried everything else, and it has worked for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach <don.honabach@pcperfect.co
m>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Saw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes =93 liquid cooled he
ads for
>> the Jabiru Engines.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.rotecaerosport.com/**product-info/lch/<http://www.rotecaerosp
ort.com/product-info/lch></http:>
>>
>>
>>
>> I rarely have cooling problems on my 3300A. Evening though I=99m i
n Arizona,
>> worst case is if the engine gets heat soaked on the ground I have to bab
y
>> the plane to altitude to avoid going over 350F CHTs during our hot summe
r
>> days.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting product.
If
>> nothing else, I would feel better about =98de-stressing the engine
=99 by running
>> it cooler and distributing the heat load evenly which is impossible to d
o
>> with the air cooled/carb setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete, any thoughts on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Honabach
>>
>> Tempe, AZ
>>
>> Zodiac 601HDS =93 3300A (~200 Hours)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ist" target="_blank">http://www.**matronics.com/Navigator?**
>> JabiruEngine-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List>
tp://forums.matronics.com_
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m/contribution>
>>
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r?**
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et=_blank>
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t=_blank>
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ution>
>>
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>>
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d,
>> MA, 01754 - USAmhubel@nemon.com 978-443-3955
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 06:43:27 PM PST US
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
Bruce, I don't think Keith really meant it literally with just an oil gauge
. I'm sure Keith knows better and he's just messing with us. I was just kid
ding the other fellow about analog. We have to try to lighten up a bit on t
hese lists. Flying and airplanes we all have in common. Pretty big things!
Bess all you folks and I remain, Bill of Georgia N288WP, RV-8a, 9 hrs into
Phase l; CH601 XL-B, N505WP, 160 hrs (for sale).
-----Original Message-----
From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 12:43 am
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
I love big global statements . . .wouldn't fuel quantity be somewhat import
ant? Have you ever got caught in the soup before? I like a few little clues
when that happens. Really an oil gauge doesn't help a lot since you can't
do anything if you don't like the reading anyway unless a passenger farts a
t which time I'd rather not smell it . . . The old pilot has never been ca
ught in the soup . . . maybe a hangar pilot? You know the ground is below y
ou? You haven't been in the soup . . .better carry a gold necklace, it will
point to the ground for you.
Gads you really haven't been caught in the soup yet. . . you've been luckyy
yyyyyyy Try wearing a hood for a bit and then write that list. Better yet
take an IFR course and drive into the soup.
Not only soup but out West here we have places with no lights and with some
overcast blocking out the stars and moon, you have no reference but you're
still VFR . . . unless you have really super good smell . . . I'd say you
will be crying and begging for relief real soon. Gads could I tell you re
al life stories . . . Go ahead and fly with just an oil pressure gauge and
let me know how that works for ya. (I'm not talking about touch and go's i
n the pattern type flying . . .I mean real flying. :-)
Bruce
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Keith Pickford <kpickford@xtra.co.nz> wrot
e:
The only instrument that is handy is the oil pressure gauge !! and that is
only for a comparison - the reading doesn't matter . no need for calibrati
on.
Everything else is covered by the nomal senses.
Unless you are blind deaf and can't smell - then you shouldn't be flying !!
!
I always remember an old pilot telling me you don't need an altimeter or AS
I
If the ground is below you , you have altitude
If the ground is moving you have airspeed.
No need for a rev counter
If the engine is making a noise, its going
Gives you more time to look outside the plane ??
Happy Flying
Keith
--- On Fri, 22/7/11, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> wrote:
From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
As I recall, there is an old Chinese proverb about flying . . . "Pilot who
fly's upside down will have crack up" . . . . I found that always to be tru
e! :-) Also, old airmail pilots used to hang a gold necklace from the comp
ass to tell if they are right side up in the fog . . . kinda simple instrum
entation when all else fails . . . problem is I have no gold left.
In my field of work, everything's gone digital and programmable. Problem is
the old timers who were masters at calibration and certification have gone
and the new bucks don't realize that all instrumentation must be calibrate
d and verified to a NIST standard to be useful. Without that, a person migh
t as well be using the old necklace as a guide. When the necklace is pointi
ng towards the headliner . . . then "pilot is flying with his crack up". S
oon he will hear that loud sound of silence and his heart beat just before
the ground rises up to smite his butt.
No matter what the precision and resolution, if it ain't calibrated it's ju
st extra weight. It becomes just pretty GIGO . . garbage in, garbage out.
Bruce
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 06:55:07 PM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
Thanks, Marty....I'll look at Osh, but for the Jegs stuff I'll wait
until I get back home and then check 'em out.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1142 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Martin Hone wrote:
> I bought a FAST gauge (analogue, but they have digital) from JEGS
> in the States. Love it.
>
> Not sure they will be at OSH though
>
> Marty
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote:
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> What make of A/F meter do you have, Martin? Answer quickly, as I'm
> heading to Oshkosh with room on my credit card (but none on my
> panel....drats!). : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062
> Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
> Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1142 hrs (since
> 3-27-2006)
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Martin Hone wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> You have a few options regarding a mixture adjusting carb -
> Aerocarb, Ellison TB and Rotec TB. I have used both the Aerocarb
> and the Rotec TBI, and the Rotec unit is the more sophisticated.
> If you are running unleaded fuel, you might also like to consider
> adding a wide-band Air Fuel Ratio meter. Makes getting the correct
> mixture a breeze.
> Also permits running LOP if you are interested in another tin of
> worms.......
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Don Honabach
> <don.honabach@pcperfect.com> wrote:
> For what it worth, I have the LED setup on my plane and love it and
> was pretty much essential after seeing the AMP draw of traditional
> landing light(s), strobes, etc.
>
>
> Just thinking out loud
>
>
> One of the things Ive been tossing around in the back of my head
> is to switch out the bing carb. I tend to like to fly at the higher
> power ratings and get taxed heavily with excessive fuel burn rates
> using the bing carb. As such, going to a more traditional carb
> where I can adjust the mixture might make sense and would solve the
> high burn rate issue (assumption here?), as would probably messing
> with the bing needles if I stuck with a bing carb. In either case
> though, if I do that, chances are my temps will climb so it is a
> bit of a balancing act for sure. Im thinking that the LC heads
> would allow me to have the best of both worlds (low fuel burn
> rates, high power settings, low temps) even on a hot day sort of
> thing
>
>
> Don
>
>
> P.S. Todd, where are you based in AZ? Any chance over at P19? I
> thought I saw a Titan there the other day. If so, Im the red/white
> Zodie by the fuel pumps.
>
>
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hubelbank
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:41 AM
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
>
>
> Todd,
> For the record, I replaced all the strobes and position lights
> with LED types and reduced the current demand significantly, Now
> all the lights together are an average of about 1 amp. The Jabiru
> does not have much margin but with the LED lights, I believe the
> load of the water pump could be tolerated.
>
> On 07/22/2011 12:24 AM, Todd Bristol wrote:
>
> I am also in Phoenix and have a Hyd 3300 on a Titan Tornado and am
> concerned about High Temps and Head Wear. The water cooled heads
> look good but are a bit pricey. I am also concerned that the 20
> amp Alternator will not put out enough current to run the water
> pump as I already have low amperage issues. Does anyone know what
> our original heads are worth in attempt to sell them to offset the
> cost of the water cooled heads?
>
> Todd Bristol
>
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>
> --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Liquid Cooled Heads...
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:11 PM
>
> Hi Don,
>
>
> I have just completed fitting a set of the Rotec Liquid Cooled
> Heads on a J230 that had chronic overheating issues, such that it
> had to have two heads reconditioned at less than 100 hrs from new,
> and again at 200 hrs. I made some mods to the carb and induction
> plenum to try and get better distribution, but the LC heads have
> made a huge difference.
>
> I have even gone down 2 sizes in main jet (#245) and temps are ,
> if anything, a bit on the cool side. Very straightforward to fit
> and sort out the plumbing. Added 16 lbs to the weight, but am
> looking at ditching the muffler and running a pair of 3-1
> collectors, which should get about 5-6 lbs off.
>
>
> We have tried everything else, and it has worked for us.
>
>
> Martin
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Don Honabach
> <don.honabach@pcperfect.com> wrote:
>
>
> Saw an ad for this product today in KitPlanes liquid cooled heads
> for the Jabiru Engines.
>
>
> http://www.rotecaerosport.com/product-info/lch/
>
>
> I rarely have cooling problems on my 3300A. Evening though Im in
> Arizona, worst case is if the engine gets heat soaked on the ground
> I have to baby the plane to altitude to avoid going over 350F CHTs
> during our hot summer days.
>
>
> That said, I know others do and this seems like an interesting
> product. If nothing else, I would feel better about de-stressing
> the engine by running it cooler and distributing the heat load
> evenly which is impossible to do with the air cooled/carb setup.
>
>
> Pete, any thoughts on this?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Don Honabach
>
> Tempe, AZ
>
> Zodiac 601HDS 3300A (~200 Hours)
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Time: 11:07:19 PM PST US
From: Keith Pickford <kpickford@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
Yep - we eat soup out of a plate with a spoon - We don't fly in pea soupers
.. We are in the middle of winter and have nice clear days with snow on the
hills - Great days to go flying
Cheers
Keith- - In New Zealand
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, japhillipsga@aol.com <japhillipsga@aol.com> wrote:
From: japhillipsga@aol.com <japhillipsga@aol.com>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
Bruce, I don't think Keith really meant it literally with just an oil gauge
.. I'm sure Keith knows better and he's just messing with us. I was just kid
ding the other fellow about analog. We have to try to lighten up a bit on t
hese lists. Flying and airplanes we all have in common. Pretty big things!
Bess all you folks and I remain, Bill of Georgia N288WP, RV-8a, 9 hrs into
Phase l; CH601 XL-B, N505WP, 160 hrs (for sale). =0A
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=0A=0AFrom: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com>
=0A=0ATo: jabiruengine-list <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
=0A=0ASent: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 12:43 am
=0A=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI love big global statements . . .would
n't fuel quantity be somewhat important? Have you ever got caught in the so
up before? I like a few little clues when that happens. Really an oil gauge
doesn't help a lot since you can't do anything if you don't like the readi
ng anyway unless a passenger farts at which time I'd rather not smell it .
.. . -The old pilot has never been caught in the soup . . . maybe a hangar
pilot? You know the ground is below you? You haven't been in the soup . .
..better carry a gold necklace, it will point to the ground for you.-=0A
=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AGads you really haven't been caught in the soup yet. . .
you've been luckyyyyyyyyy -Try wearing a hood for a bit and then write th
at list. Better yet take an IFR course and drive into the soup.-=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ANot only soup but out West here we have places with no li
ghts and with some overcast blocking out the stars and moon, you have no re
ference but you're still VFR . . . -unless you have really super good sme
ll . . . I'd say you will be crying and begging for relief real soon. -Ga
ds could I tell you real life stories . . . -Go ahead and fly with just a
n oil pressure gauge and let me know how that works for ya. (I'm not talkin
g about touch and go's in the pattern type flying . . .I mean real flying.
:-)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABruce=0A=0A=0A=0A
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=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Keith Pickford <kpickford@xtra
..co.nz> wrote:
=0A=0A=0AThe only instrument that is handy is the oil pressure gauge !!-
and that is only for a comparison - the reading doesn't matter . no need fo
r calibration.
=0A=0A=0AEverything else is covered by the nomal senses.
=0A=0AUnless you are blind deaf and can't smell - then you shouldn't be fly
ing !!!
=0A=0AI always remember an old pilot telling me you don't need an altimeter
or ASI
=0A=0A=0AIf the ground is below you , you have altitude
=0A=0AIf the ground is moving you have airspeed.
=0A=0ANo need for a rev counter
=0A=0AIf the engine is making a noise, its going
=0A=0A
=0A=0AGives you more time to look outside the plane ??
=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0AHappy Flying
=0A=0A
=0A=0AKeith
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=0A=0A--- On Fri, 22/7/11, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> wrote:
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=0A=0A=0A=0AAs I recall,-there is an old Chinese proverb about flying . .
. "Pilot who fly's upside down will have crack up" . . . . I found that al
ways to be true! :-) -Also, old airmail pilots used to hang a gold neckla
ce from the compass to tell if they are right side up in the fog . . . kind
a simple instrumentation when all else fails . . . -problem is I have no
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn my field of work, everything's gone digital and progra
mmable. Problem is the old timers who were masters at calibration and certi
fication have gone and the new bucks don't realize that all instrumentation
must be calibrated and verified to a NIST standard to be useful. Without t
hat, a person might as well be using the old necklace as a guide. When the
necklace is pointing towards the headliner . . . then "pilot is flying with
his crack up". -Soon he will hear that loud sound of silence and his hea
rt beat just before the ground rises up to smite his butt.-=0A=0A=0A=0A
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ANo matter what the precision and resolution, if it ain't
calibrated it's just extra weight. It becomes just pretty GIGO . . garbage
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My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings.
Bruce
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Keith Pickford <kpickford@xtra.co.nz>wrote:
> Yep - we eat soup out of a plate with a spoon - We don't fly in pea
> soupers. We are in the middle of winter and have nice clear days with snow
> on the hills - Great days to go flying
>
> Cheers
>
> Keith - In New Zealand
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 23/7/11, japhillipsga@aol.com <japhillipsga@aol.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: japhillipsga@aol.com <japhillipsga@aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 1:41 PM
>
> Bruce, I don't think Keith really meant it literally with just an oil
> gauge. I'm sure Keith knows better and he's just messing with us. I was just
> kidding the other fellow about analog. We have to try to lighten up a bit on
> these lists. Flying and airplanes we all have in common. Pretty big things!
> Bess all you folks and I remain, Bill of Georgia N288WP, RV-8a, 9 hrs into
> Phase l; CH601 XL-B, N505WP, 160 hrs (for sale).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com>
> To: jabiruengine-list <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 12:43 am
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
>
> I love big global statements . . ..wouldn't fuel quantity be somewhat
> important? Have you ever got caught in the soup before? I like a few little
> clues when that happens. Really an oil gauge doesn't help a lot since you
> can't do anything if you don't like the reading anyway unless a passenger
> farts at which time I'd rather not smell it . . . The old pilot has never
> been caught in the soup . . . maybe a hangar pilot? You know the ground is
> below you? You haven't been in the soup . . .better carry a gold necklace,
> it will point to the ground for you..
>
> Gads you really haven't been caught in the soup yet. . . you've been
> luckyyyyyyyyy Try wearing a hood for a bit and then write that list. Better
> yet take an IFR course and drive into the soup.
>
> Not only soup but out West here we have places with no lights and with
> some overcast blocking out the stars and moon, you have no reference but
> you're still VFR . . . unless you have really super good smell . . . I'd
> say you will be crying and begging for relief real soon. Gads could I tell
> you real life stories . . . Go ahead and fly with just an oil pressure
> gauge and let me know how that works for ya. (I'm not talking about touch
> and go's in the pattern type flying . . .I mean real flying. :-)
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Keith Pickford <kpickford@xtra.co.nz<http://mc/compose?to=kpickford@xtra.co.nz>
> > wrote:
>
> The only instrument that is handy is the oil pressure gauge !! and that is
> only for a comparison - the reading doesn't matter . no need for
> calibration.
> Everything else is covered by the nomal senses.
> Unless you are blind deaf and can't smell - then you shouldn't be flying
> !!!
> I always remember an old pilot telling me you don't need an altimeter or
> ASI
> If the ground is below you , you have altitude
> If the ground is moving you have airspeed.
> No need for a rev counter
> If the engine is making a noise, its going
>
> Gives you more time to look outside the plane ??
>
> Happy Flying
>
> Keith
>
> --- On *Fri, 22/7/11, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=gpabruce@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=gpabruce@gmail.com>>
>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Voltmeter advice needed
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Friday, 22, July, 2011, 3:06 PM
>
>
> As I recall, there is an old Chinese proverb about flying . . . "Pilot who
> fly's upside down will have crack up" . . . . I found that always to be
> true! :-) Also, old airmail pilots used to hang a gold necklace from the
> compass to tell if they are right side up in the fog . . . kinda simple
> instrumentation when all else fails . . . problem is I have no gold left.
>
> In my field of work, everything's gone digital and programmable. Problem
> is the old timers who were masters at calibration and certification have
> gone and the new bucks don't realize that all instrumentation must be
> calibrated and verified to a NIST standard to be useful. Without that, a
> person might as well be using the old necklace as a guide. When the necklace
> is pointing towards the headliner . . . then "pilot is flying with his crack
> up". Soon he will hear that loud sound of silence and his heart beat just
> before the ground rises up to smite his butt.
>
> No matter what the precision and resolution, if it ain't calibrated it's
> just extra weight. It becomes just pretty GIGO . . garbage in, garbage out.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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