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1. 12:13 AM - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
2. 02:54 AM - How hot it gets? WAS: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:36 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (Mike Chaney)
4. 04:47 AM - Re: Gary Walsh NSI prop (kitfoxjunky)
5. 05:01 AM - Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? (tc9008@aol.com)
6. 05:54 AM - Re: Another Alternative Engine (Norm Beauchamp)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:14 AM - Rigging Problems (John Bergen)
9. 07:15 AM - Thanks Kurt?Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch (Harris, Robert)
10. 07:26 AM - Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? (Tom Jones)
11. 07:52 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (jdmcbean)
12. 08:39 AM - Tri-Gear conversion for IV/V's (Harris, Robert)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox front spar splice (AMuller589@aol.com)
14. 10:54 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (John Anderson)
15. 11:07 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (john H)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (jdmcbean)
17. 11:19 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (jdmcbean)
18. 11:41 AM - Re: Rigging Problems (Lowell Fitt)
19. 05:21 PM - Re: Looking for nosewheel assyLooking for nosewheel assy (Michael Gibbs)
20. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Looking for nosewheel assyLooking for nosewheel assy (jdmcbean)
21. 07:56 PM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (kurt schrader)
22. 09:00 PM - Re: Gary Walsh NSI prop (kurt schrader)
23. 09:19 PM - Re: How hot it gets? WAS: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? (kurt schrader)
24. 09:42 PM - Re: looking for counter balance weights (kurt schrader)
25. 10:27 PM - Re: Rigging Problems (James Shumaker)
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| Subject: | Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser
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| Subject: | How hot it gets? WAS: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> but I think aluminum, softening at 1100 degrees, is as low a heat
> temp as I want for anything important fwd of the firewall.
Hello Kurt,
You raise and interesting point.
When I was installing my new Jabiru, last winter, I followed the instructions for
the throttle cable: Cut to lenght, thread the end through a brass stopper that
has a conical hole. Split the wire open in a conical shape and fill with soldering.
It looks like a solid construction; as long as there is soldering, the wire can't
get slim enough to slide through the hole. But ... what if the heat gets above
the melting point of the soldering?
In normal operation, it will never come any near that temperature. But your comments
on plastic bounding made me think again. What do you think?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
What is TCP and what does it do?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Donald,
Another solution would be to use Avgas, but if you do, then add TCP as
directed.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>--Thanks Don for the info, I'm in Canada and several
>of our gas brands have 10% alcohol, I'll have to see
>if I can find out which ones don't. As for replacing
>the tanks, do you know of a supplier? Don
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gary Walsh NSI prop |
Serialize complete at 11/17/2005 07:45:16 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I run an IVO Medium now. Very happy with it so far. Much smoother than
the CAP. I may add the in flight adjustable option at some point...I
really miss that feature. I still have my floats to repair, but I put 50
hours on the plane as a taildragger this summer. What a blast!
From what I have heard Lance is gone and NSI to my knowledge for all
practical purposes is out of business. I had sent my prop back to Lance
to investigate. He did create updates for the cuffs...but I am not sure
how many customers got them. I hope people were not as stupid as I was
and sent their props in for upgrade. They could be waiting an awful long
time. I contacted the folks manning the phones at NSI..or whatever it is
called now. They could only find my blades...the hub and spinner are
gone. They could be in a dumpster, or pulling another plane around...that
would be my guess. I asked them to ship the blades back but nothing so
far. Not sure what I would do with them if they did.
I try not to dwell on my experience with NSI and Lance Wheeler..but
hey..you asked.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Gary,
Not sure if you covered this recently since I was
gone, but I was wondering what your aircraft and prop
status are now. Have you rebuilt your plane/engine?
Did you replace the CAP prop with another, or a
different prop? Did NSI ever come out with the
stronger prop for you/us?
kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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| Subject: | Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: tc9008@aol.com
What would be a good adhesive to use for the cowl insulation against the muffler.
Travis
-----Original Message-----
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Harris,
No, structural adhesives forward of the firewall are
not a good idea. I think we all get tempted to use
them, but they will not hold up in an emergency when
things get hot and will only add to your troubles.
Use clamps instead.
Plastics can start softening as low as 160 degrees.
The higher temp ones start around 225 degrees. You'd
have to call 3M and see what they say, but I think
aluminum, softening at 1100 degrees, is as low a heat
temp as I want for anything important fwd of the
firewall. I doubt that 3M epoxy is that good.
Make sure that when you attach an engine control to
the engine mounts or airframe for support it doesn't
change your setting when the engine moves on its
mounts. It is better to mount control cable ends
somewhere on the engine side of the lord mounts so
everything moves together. Otherwise you may find
that changing power changes your mixture too and not
in a way that pleases you.
Kurt S.
--- "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
>
> How hot can the 3M structural Adhesive become before
> it breaks loose?
>
> I used 3M structural adhesive in my engine
> compartment to attach a lean rich mixture.
>
> Also I attached the lean rich mixture to the engine
> support brackets. Is that okay?
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| Subject: | Re: Another Alternative Engine |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Norm Beauchamp wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
>The latest issue of http:// www.CONTACTMagazine.com <http://%20www.CONTACTMagazine.com>
>there is an article on the Revmaster R-3000 engine. It is the latest,
>reengineered design of the VW engine by Joe Horvart.
>http://www.revmasteraviation.com/products/under_development/index.htm
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
What the Lancair manual recommends for their firewall blanket is high temp
RTV, I suspect it would work for your application also.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <tc9008@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: tc9008@aol.com
>
> What would be a good adhesive to use for the cowl insulation against the
> muffler.
> Travis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Harris,
>
> No, structural adhesives forward of the firewall are
> not a good idea. I think we all get tempted to use
> them, but they will not hold up in an emergency when
> things get hot and will only add to your troubles.
> Use clamps instead.
>
> Plastics can start softening as low as 160 degrees.
> The higher temp ones start around 225 degrees. You'd
> have to call 3M and see what they say, but I think
> aluminum, softening at 1100 degrees, is as low a heat
> temp as I want for anything important fwd of the
> firewall. I doubt that 3M epoxy is that good.
>
> Make sure that when you attach an engine control to
> the engine mounts or airframe for support it doesn't
> change your setting when the engine moves on its
> mounts. It is better to mount control cable ends
> somewhere on the engine side of the lord mounts so
> everything moves together. Otherwise you may find
> that changing power changes your mixture too and not
> in a way that pleases you.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> How hot can the 3M structural Adhesive become before
>> it breaks loose?
>>
>> I used 3M structural adhesive in my engine
>> compartment to attach a lean rich mixture.
>>
>> Also I attached the lean rich mixture to the engine
>> support brackets. Is that okay?
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rigging Problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Bergen" <JBergen@rrc.mb.ca>
I'm attempting to rig a previously flying series II. The problem I'm
having is as follows. With the flaperons rigged with the 1 3/4 down
plane in reference to the leading edge in 0 flap and bellcranks parallel
to the mixer, I am not getting full flaperon deflection left/right in
full flap.
The flaperons bind, causing less than full authority. With the flaperons
rigged so that there is full left/right deflection in full flap, the
flaperons are excessively nose down at 0 flap.
Any ideas??
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Weld?
| Subject: | 3M structural adhesive Scotch |
Weld?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks Kurt,
I really appreciate your help.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Harris,
No, structural adhesives forward of the firewall are
not a good idea. I think we all get tempted to use
them, but they will not hold up in an emergency when
things get hot and will only add to your troubles.
Use clamps instead.
Plastics can start softening as low as 160 degrees.
The higher temp ones start around 225 degrees. You'd
have to call 3M and see what they say, but I think
aluminum, softening at 1100 degrees, is as low a heat
temp as I want for anything important fwd of the
firewall. I doubt that 3M epoxy is that good.
Make sure that when you attach an engine control to
the engine mounts or airframe for support it doesn't
change your setting when the engine moves on its
mounts. It is better to mount control cable ends
somewhere on the engine side of the lord mounts so
everything moves together. Otherwise you may find
that changing power changes your mixture too and not
in a way that pleases you.
Kurt S.
--- "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
>
> How hot can the 3M structural Adhesive become before
> it breaks loose?
>
> I used 3M structural adhesive in my engine
> compartment to attach a lean rich mixture.
>
> Also I attached the lean rich mixture to the engine
> support brackets. Is that okay?
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: 3M structural adhesive Scotch Weld? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
See below
Harris, Robert wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>
>How hot can the 3M structural Adhesive become before it breaks loose?
>
>
>
The 3M Scotch-weld technical data sheet for the gray stuff lists
"Overlap shear stregth" at 75 degrees F to be 2500 psi. At 180 degrees
F it drops to 400 psi. Just an interesting point though. After 8 days
at 300 degrees F then cooled back down to 75 degrees F the shear
strength goes up to 4000 psi. So I would say, heat is a good thing to
cure it but keep the temp down while in use.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
TCP is a lead scavenger.. it's main ingredient is tricresylphosphate. It is
recommended when using Avgas. 1/2 oz per 10 gallons. I sell 16 oz bottles
for $20. No hazmat and it is safe to carry in the cockpit... PS no syringe
either....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
What is TCP and what does it do?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Donald,
Another solution would be to use Avgas, but if you do, then add TCP as
directed.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>--Thanks Don for the info, I'm in Canada and several
>of our gas brands have 10% alcohol, I'll have to see
>if I can find out which ones don't. As for replacing
>the tanks, do you know of a supplier? Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Tri-Gear conversion for IV/V's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Contact the Desert Fox Squadron in Arizona. Some members have converted
Tri-gear model IV's and maybe V's.
Are the V's more likely to ground loop than Citabrias, Areonncas and Super
Cubs? By the way I know of another model V that had a main wheel come off in
a ground loop.
Robert Harris
Snip below
I am in favor of tricycle KFs also. From my experiences with Series Vs it
appears that each landing with tail-wheels is more dangerous than an off
field
landing with tri-gear. Has my builder done something wrong, such as c.g.,
misaligned gear, etc? We found that by moving the cg from the forward
position
to the center of the envelope it seemed to be more docile but two flights
after doing that we had a ground-loop on T.O..Post ground loop inspections
showed
that two or more of the four 7/32 bolts holding the axle to the Grove
landing gear had partially stripped and allowed some wobble in the left
wheel, and
thus contributed at least partially to the instability of a 8 knot
crosswind
t.o. During the crash all four retaining bolts on the left mlg hub
stripped
and the left wheel came off. Two of the 4 each 7/32 bolts holding the hub
to
the Grove MLG showed signs of short repeated stripping/wear.
The builder said he checked with the factory 5 years ago about conversion
to/from tricycle and tailwheel but was told tailwheel to tricycle would
require
factory modification. Apparently the second set of lugs behind the MLG lugs
are for skis or floats and he was told they were not suitable for the main
landing gear (MLG). I have not checked for cg but they appear to be close
to
the proper position for tricycle MLG and worthy of check out. When I first
saw
the Kitfox V, I immediately thought the aft set of lugs was for converting
to
tricycle with a Grumman Tiger type of castering nose gear. That appears to
be
an easy NLG to make. Anyone had any experience in converting the gear?
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox front spar splice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
thank you again and that is definitely the best way to go, but all I can do
is repeat this and recommend it. Apparently no one else will admit it, but I
can appreciate that also.
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Can it be exported OK John? Not a DG?
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
TCP is a lead scavenger.. it's main ingredient is tricresylphosphate. It is
recommended when using Avgas. 1/2 oz per 10 gallons. I sell 16 oz bottles
for $20. No hazmat and it is safe to carry in the cockpit... PS no syringe
either....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
What is TCP and what does it do?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Donald,
Another solution would be to use Avgas, but if you do, then add TCP as
directed.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>--Thanks Don for the info, I'm in Canada and several
>of our gas brands have 10% alcohol, I'll have to see
>if I can find out which ones don't. As for replacing
>the tanks, do you know of a supplier? Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Anyone know if there is a shelf life on TCP?
Thanks John
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:53:39 +1300
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Can it be exported OK John? Not a DG?
>
>
>From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:51:28 -0700
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>TCP is a lead scavenger.. it's main ingredient is tricresylphosphate. It is
>recommended when using Avgas. 1/2 oz per 10 gallons. I sell 16 oz bottles
>for $20. No hazmat and it is safe to carry in the cockpit... PS no syringe
>either....
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
>What is TCP and what does it do?
>
>Mike
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
>Donald,
>
>Another solution would be to use Avgas, but if you do, then add TCP as
>directed.
>
>--
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
>
>Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
> >
> >--Thanks Don for the info, I'm in Canada and several
> >of our gas brands have 10% alcohol, I'll have to see
> >if I can find out which ones don't. As for replacing
> >the tanks, do you know of a supplier? Don
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Haven't had any issues to date....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Anderson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Can it be exported OK John? Not a DG?
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
TCP is a lead scavenger.. it's main ingredient is tricresylphosphate. It is
recommended when using Avgas. 1/2 oz per 10 gallons. I sell 16 oz bottles
for $20. No hazmat and it is safe to carry in the cockpit... PS no syringe
either....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
What is TCP and what does it do?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Donald,
Another solution would be to use Avgas, but if you do, then add TCP as
directed.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>--Thanks Don for the info, I'm in Canada and several
>of our gas brands have 10% alcohol, I'll have to see
>if I can find out which ones don't. As for replacing
>the tanks, do you know of a supplier? Don
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Not that I am aware of.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john H
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Anyone know if there is a shelf life on TCP?
Thanks John
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:53:39 +1300
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Can it be exported OK John? Not a DG?
>
>
>From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:51:28 -0700
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>TCP is a lead scavenger.. it's main ingredient is tricresylphosphate. It is
>recommended when using Avgas. 1/2 oz per 10 gallons. I sell 16 oz bottles
>for $20. No hazmat and it is safe to carry in the cockpit... PS no syringe
>either....
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
>What is TCP and what does it do?
>
>Mike
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
>Donald,
>
>Another solution would be to use Avgas, but if you do, then add TCP as
>directed.
>
>--
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
>
>Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
> >
> >--Thanks Don for the info, I'm in Canada and several
> >of our gas brands have 10% alcohol, I'll have to see
> >if I can find out which ones don't. As for replacing
> >the tanks, do you know of a supplier? Don
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging Problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John,
Generally full flap is discouraged as it seriously degrades aileron
authority and can actually result in aireron stall resulting in the opposite
control effect. Parsonally, I don't use the flaps function so I don't have
any real life experience with them. Never-the-less, I put a small tab to
prevent flap deployment beyond 20 degrees, I believe. That was recomended
in an early service bulletin - again if my memory serves me.
Also, I fly a Model IV and not a II
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bergen" <JBergen@rrc.mb.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rigging Problems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Bergen" <JBergen@rrc.mb.ca>
>
> I'm attempting to rig a previously flying series II. The problem I'm
> having is as follows. With the flaperons rigged with the 1 3/4 down
> plane in reference to the leading edge in 0 flap and bellcranks parallel
> to the mixer, I am not getting full flaperon deflection left/right in
> full flap.
>
> The flaperons bind, causing less than full authority. With the flaperons
> rigged so that there is full left/right deflection in full flap, the
> flaperons are excessively nose down at 0 flap.
>
> Any ideas??
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for nosewheel assyLooking for nosewheel assy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>The idea of a tri-gear Kitfox is indeed appealling, but I think
>there is a lot involved there. Has anyone really done the research?
I've not only done the research, I built my Model IV-1200 with a
nosewheel and it worked great. Many others have done so also.
It does require some welding though, so if you have already covered
your fuselage you're in for a lot of work. If not, it's fairly
straightforward. The structure around the attach points behind the
seat need to be beefed up and a mounting plate for the nose wheel
attached just behind the firewall on the fuselage floor.
Check the list archives for detailed commentary and references to
photos as this topic has been discussed before. If you need more
information contact me off-list or contact Murle Williams
<Murle.Williams@gmail.com> or visit his web site
<http://MurleWilliamsAviation.com>.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for nosewheel assyLooking for nosewheel assy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I may be of some help as well.. for those looking to do so.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Looking for nosewheel assyLooking for nosewheel
assy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>The idea of a tri-gear Kitfox is indeed appealling, but I think
>there is a lot involved there. Has anyone really done the research?
I've not only done the research, I built my Model IV-1200 with a
nosewheel and it worked great. Many others have done so also.
It does require some welding though, so if you have already covered
your fuselage you're in for a lot of work. If not, it's fairly
straightforward. The structure around the attach points behind the
seat need to be beefed up and a mounting plate for the nose wheel
attached just behind the firewall on the fuselage floor.
Check the list archives for detailed commentary and references to
photos as this topic has been discussed before. If you need more
information contact me off-list or contact Murle Williams
<Murle.Williams@gmail.com> or visit his web site
<http://MurleWilliamsAviation.com>.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
While I was searching for Mogas fuel stops a few weeks
ago, one of the places said that they had recently
given up on mogas and now only sold 100LL. I asked
about TCP there and he said that he had just given out
the last of it from a 15-20 year old bottle!
I don't recommend counting on any chemical that old,
but apparently it was still effective.
kurt S.
--- john H <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know if there is a shelf life on TCP?
> Thanks John
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| Subject: | Re: Gary Walsh NSI prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sorry Gary,
I should have appoligized in advance on this subject.
It was a selfish request. By vocation as well as
experience, you are the best one to ask, in my
opinion.
Some of us are still using the CAP and I know I was
"wondering" about it on my recent x-cntry. Being an
old helo pilot, I get to worrying more when anything
is running too well. My plane was flying so well,
that I almost relaxed. The gascolator drain fixed
that. But the engine never missed a beat, even with
zero fuel pressure, and the prop was smooth. After
your experience, I know to watch for a little increase
in vibs. I can't count on being as good or lucky as
you, if it gave way.
Seems you have a good substitute prop for your Rotax.
If John McB sells them, they must be good. John
McBean sold me my Fox, right after John sold me on
John. If I was the next owner of SS+, I'd be asking
John if he wanted the leather couch next to his office
window or not. I hope the next owner - I trust there
will be a KitFox "Phoenix" model rising from the ashes
- will squeeze pennies into #20 wire, but man the
customer interface with people like John. Just my
opinion...
I don't know of a good substitute for the CAP on the
Soob. Haven't had time to check out the Soob lists
for it either, but I wondered what you used to replace
it. Might have changed your W&B a bit too?
If the IVO could handle the HP, I might try the
constant speed version, but last I heard from John,
none go to that high a HP. Don't know of any CAP
failures on a Soob, so I won't rush to another prop
until I know it is better. But I am watch'in it!
I am a lot more sorry about Rick than Lance. With all
Rick did with his engine, I wish he were starting a
Soob rebuild and upgrade facitlity. His trama,
followed by parting out his plane bugs me a lot.
Another selfish thought on my part. :-(
I think I got so much help from the good people on
this list I am addicted...
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo and CAP
--- kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com> wrote:
> I run an IVO Medium now. Very happy with it so far.
> Much smoother than the CAP. I may add the in flight
> adjustable option at some point...I
> really miss that feature. I still have my floats to
> repair, but I put 50 hours on the plane as a
> taildragger this summer. What a blast!
>
> From what I have heard Lance is gone and NSI to my
> knowledge for all practical purposes is out of
> business. I had sent my prop back to Lance
> to investigate. He did create updates for the
> cuffs...but I am not sure how many customers got
them.
> I hope people were not as stupid as I was
> and sent their props in for upgrade. They could be
> waiting an awful long time. I contacted the folks
> manning the phones at NSI..or whatever it is
> called now. They could only find my blades...the
> hub and spinner are gone. They could be in a
dumpster,
> or pulling another plane around...that
> would be my guess. I asked them to ship the blades
> back but nothing so far. Not sure what I would do
> with them if they did.
>
> I try not to dwell on my experience with NSI and
> Lance Wheeler..but hey..you asked.
>
> Gary Walsh
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| Subject: | Re: How hot it gets? WAS: 3M structural adhesive Scotch |
Weld?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
It is barely 66F tonight in Florida. Ha ha. :-)
I think I know the connector you are using. It is
quite standard on other applications, but I prefer the
mechanical connector rather than the solder one. The
mechanical one compresses on the cable end like our
rudder cables do. I think most certified aircraft
throttles have a compressed connector. Any A&P's out
there know different?
There is enough experience with failed soldered
electrical wires on planes to warrent caution. Wires
weakened by the soldering temp and vibration add up.
And discimilar metal corrosion?
You are right though. It would be quite unusual to
reach melting temp for solder before you realize you
have a more serious problem. But a throttle failure
added to an emergency won't help either.
I wish you had about 6mm of wire extending out the
back of your soldered connector to add a crimp on
backup. You probably have it trimmed flush though,
right? Any slack available to use to put a crimp on
before or after the soldered end?
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> > From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> > but I think aluminum, softening at 1100 degrees,
> > is as low a heat temp as I want for anything
important
> > fwd of the firewall.
>
> Hello Kurt,
>
> You raise and interesting point.
> When I was installing my new Jabiru, last winter, I
> followed the instructions for the throttle cable:
> Cut to lenght, thread the end through a brass
> stopper that has a conical hole. Split the wire open
> in a conical shape and fill with soldering.
> It looks like a solid construction; as long as there
> is soldering, the wire can't get slim enough to
> slide through the hole. But ... what if the heat
> gets above the melting point of the soldering?
> In normal operation, it will never come any near
> that temperature. But your comments on plastic
> bounding made me think again. What do you think?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: looking for counter balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
OK Eric,
I think there are several Fox owners down your way.
Maybe you can tap into their experience first hand.
Kurt S.
--- Eric Osmond <eoeonote@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Kurt, I'm located in Southern California.
> Kitfox IV-1200, NSI EA-81, with cap 140 prop.
> Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging Problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
John
I fly a model III which has the same wing and flaps as the model II. Rig as per
the book. Then limit the flap deployment so that it does not restrict the flaperon
in roll. That is, pull up on the flap handle while working the stick
left and right to the limit. As soon as you feel the flaperon restriction you
have gone a bit too far. Back off just a fraction and limit the flap deflection
with an adel clamp. The clamp is not a hard stop, because you need to raise
the flaps to the limit to fold the wing. (Thus the reason for rigging to the
forward limit and then restricting the deployment limit with the adel clamp.)
I did not use the flaps for a year or so because I was not landing in short strips.
With the flaps deployed it does help get in a bit steeper and shorter.
But it is not really noticable until you are trying to land in less than 400'.
Jim Shumaker
John Bergen <JBergen@rrc.mb.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Bergen"
I'm attempting to rig a previously flying series II. The problem I'm
having is as follows. With the flaperons rigged with the 1 3/4 down
plane in reference to the leading edge in 0 flap and bellcranks parallel
to the mixer, I am not getting full flaperon deflection left/right in
full flap.
The flaperons bind, causing less than full authority. With the flaperons
rigged so that there is full left/right deflection in full flap, the
flaperons are excessively nose down at 0 flap.
Any ideas??
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