Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Bradley M Webb)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Skystar (Dee Young)
3. 05:24 AM - Firewall & Windscreen Edgestrip (Norm Beauchamp)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Skystar (Jose M. Toro)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Firewall & Windscreen Edgestrip (Algate)
6. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Lynn's Kitfox Cowling (Jose M. Toro)
7. 05:45 AM - Re: Skystar (Dee Young)
8. 06:37 AM - SV: Re: Lynn's Kitfox Cowling (Michel Verheughe)
9. 09:02 AM - Re: SV: SV: Re: PDA Gps (Randy Daughenbaugh)
10. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Randy Daughenbaugh)
11. 10:45 AM - Re: SV: Re: Lynn's Kitfox Cowling (Jose M. Toro)
12. 10:47 AM - Re: Lambasting (was: PDA Gps) (Bradley M Webb)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Michel Verheughe)
14. 11:40 AM - Re: Lambasting (Michel Verheughe)
15. 11:51 AM - Re: engine out- Sonex? (kurt schrader)
16. 02:12 PM - Kitfox flyers/builders (Gary Olson)
17. 03:42 PM - Re: Kitfox flyers/builders (Don Pearsall)
18. 05:12 PM - Radiator ideas (Rex)
19. 05:14 PM - Rotax Help (John Murphy)
20. 05:42 PM - Re: Skystar (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: Radiator ideas (Guy Buchanan)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
No need for confusion, Michel. I just picked your post to reply to. I am
really talking to the lurkers out there, especially the young ones who dream
of flying with us at a later time.
Anyway, point taken, and I don't disagree. However, I stand by what I said.
Bradley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:43 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> Didn't mean to be rude, but read your post again. To the uninitiated, it
> sounds as though you knew the conditions were marginal, and because of
your
> having such a useful instrument, you chose to make the flight
Now I am confused, Brad, because you answer not Gary's post but mine.
In any case, everybody AGREE with you and I am sure Gary reacted not to WHAT
you said but HOW you said it - as Lowell pointed out.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Can some one give us an update on the latest news on Kitfox - Skystar??
Dee Young
Model II N345DY
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| Subject: | Firewall & Windscreen Edgestrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I still have enough firewall edge strip part JCWhitney part # WF132565N
for one firewall. 9' for $10. plus shipping. I also recieved the weather
strip that will seal between the cowl and wind screen. It will seal
about a !/4" gap . It takes about 52" per cowl. I have enough for 4
cowls left if anyone is interested. Its from JC Whitney also. The part
# WF812914B, is on page 87 of the catalog I have. $40. for 25'.
Figures out to $7.20 for 4 1/2' + 30 cents handling and what ever the
shipping cost. http:// www.jcw.com <http://%20www.jcw.com>
Later, Norm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Dee:
This won't answer your question but may be valuable
information. If you ever need parts for your Model
II, you can get them from Steve Winder at Airdale.
Most of the parts for the Model II were not available
from Skystar when they were still doing business.
Regards!
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Firewall & Windscreen Edgestrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Norm
I would like to take you up on a length if still available.
I live in Canada but can mail you the funds and also set up a purolator pick
up once you've received it if that works for you.
Best regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norm Beauchamp
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Firewall & Windscreen Edgestrip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I still have enough firewall edge strip part JCWhitney part # WF132565N
for one firewall. 9' for $10. plus shipping. I also recieved the weather
strip that will seal between the cowl and wind screen. It will seal
about a !/4" gap . It takes about 52" per cowl. I have enough for 4
cowls left if anyone is interested. Its from JC Whitney also. The part
# WF812914B, is on page 87 of the catalog I have. $40. for 25'.
Figures out to $7.20 for 4 1/2' + 30 cents handling and what ever the
shipping cost. http:// www.jcw.com <http://%20www.jcw.com>
Later, Norm
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's Kitfox Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Lynn:
This plane was shipped from Orlando to Puerto Rico
back in 1997, and was subject to the salt water spray.
Today the corrosion is evident all through the
fuselage. So far, it seems like it won't be
neccessary to replace tubes.
Unbelievably, it seems to me like the hardest part of
this restoration will be to get a proper fit of the
cowling!
Jose
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Thanks Jose
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com<mailto:jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>>
Dee:
This won't answer your question but may be valuable
information. If you ever need parts for your Model
II, you can get them from Steve Winder at Airdale.
Most of the parts for the Model II were not available
from Skystar when they were still doing business.
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's Kitfox Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> Unbelievably, it seems to me like the hardest part of
> this restoration will be to get a proper fit of the
> cowling!
... I am not surprised! :-)
Suerte con tu trabajo, amigo! I am sure you'll be soon flying and looking back
at this as a hard but needed experience.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: SV: SV: Re: PDA Gps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I read the list mail sorted by subject. I find it much more coherent that
way. I know what Luis means. Michel's SV creates a new thread. I can live
with it. A small price to pay for Michel's input.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Zakreski
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:01 AM
Cc: Steve Zakreski (szakreski@shaw.ca)
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SV: SV: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
New forum interface?
SteveZ
Calgary
IV/NSI-EA81/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: SV: SV: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I'm curious about something Michel. Why do your replies spawn new forum
threads instead of posting in the original thread? Are you not using the new
forum interface?
-Luis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14089#14089
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Gary,
Thanks for your post. I learned something from your experience that I would
not have the advantage of if you had not shared it. I think that this is
what this list is about.
Thanks again.
Randy
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sometimes I think people either don't read these postings or are just
downright rude.
Please take the time to re-read my post and note that it was a comment on my
experience and in no way suggested that others should enter IFR flight
without being appropriately equipped. I have spoken to many pilots over the
years with vast experience and the funny thing is that each one has had an
interesting experience to share where they have made "not so prudent"
choices and have learned from their experience. Had they not been so
forthcoming I'm sure a lot of this experience would continue to be wasted
and the same mistakes repeated.
Conditions change fast in Northern Canada and what starts out to be marginal
or even perfect conditions can change quickly. We often encounter snow
squalls which can rapidly reduce visibility on the clearest day but we gain
experience and learn to fly safely within our capabilities. In this
instance the Garmin proved to be a valuable asset that maybe another pilot
may not consider under similar conditions. This posting may well come to
mind at such a time and allow him or her another option.
Maybe some other pilot may look out on a mildly foggy day and rather than
take off think - " I remember someone saying that even though it appears
fine looking vertically when I fly into it on a parallel course my
visibility will be reduced". That same pilot might decide to wait an hour
and avert the conditions I flew into.
This list often offers an incredible source of information and I usually
monitor in the background in this instance I'm sorry Mr Web I don't believe
that I really need to feel any shame about my comments. I also don't
normally respond to this sort of negative stimulus - I guess I must be
having a bad day.
GaryA
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's Kitfox Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Muchas gracias Michel! A side effect is that it will
look like new (and most likely yellow)!
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> > Unbelievably, it seems to me like the hardest part
> of
> > this restoration will be to get a proper fit of
> the
> > cowling!
>
> ... I am not surprised! :-)
> Suerte con tu trabajo, amigo! I am sure you'll be
> soon flying and looking back at this as a hard but
> needed experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Lambasting (was: PDA Gps) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Capabilities? Of the Garmin 196? It has no capabilities for IFR flight. No
pure GPS does. By the time it registers a change, it is too late to correct.
Folks, the ONLY point I was making was that GPS derived instrumentation will
not work for IFR flight. It does not update fast enough, the required flight
control inputs are too fine, and the GPS does not have the resolution or
accuracy to maintain flight solely by its reference. Many companies have
tried it, and found it lacking far behind gyro driven instruments. Why
Garmin even offers it is a mystery to me.
Gary: I apologize. I obviously misread or misunderstood what you intended to
say.
If anyone disagrees, so be it. I'll have to live with that.
Let's move on.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lambasting (was: PDA Gps)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Bradley sez:
>...read your post again. To the uninitiated, it sounds as though you
>knew the conditions were marginal, and because of your having such a
>useful instrument, you chose to make the flight, maybe assuming that
>IF things went wrong, your fantastic quasi-wanna-be IFR panel would
>be put to good use.
I think you are the only one that read such things into his message,
Bradley, he said nothing of the kind (yes--I've read it three times
now). He was quite clear that he used the capabilities of his
equipment as a way to exit a bad situation, not an excuse to enter it
in the first place.
Mike G.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> Michel's SV creates a new thread.
Good Grief! I never thought of that, Randy! At home, on my Macintosh, I
have an English operative system and web browser. I adds a "Re:" I
guess. But, at work, answering through my Norwegian ISP web interface,
it writes SV: for "svare" (answer) in Norwegian. I'll try to delete
those in the future.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 23, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Bradley M Webb wrote:
> Folks, the ONLY point I was making was that GPS derived
> instrumentation will
> not work for IFR flight.
Brad, we all agree with you and your intention to warn silent wannabe
pilot youngsters is honourable. My only regret is that, as someone else
mention it, a patronising tone - and not only from you but also other
list members - is what prevent some of us to share their experiences.
And that is very regrettable because it is from experiences that we
learn. Each year, at my annual inspection, I have to fill a form to
tell how I keep informed about the aircraft manufacturer's service
bulletins. To where I proudly write: I am on the Matronics Kitfox list!
... and my inspector is pleased. :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: engine out- Sonex? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Bruce,
Which engine are you using in the Sonex? I always
liked the design (being from Wisconsin myself) and
just wondered how much useful load you can carry with
it and on what engine?
Trying to get a apples and oranges comparison to the
KitFox here I guess....
Kurt S.
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--- Bruce Harrington <sonex321@msn.com> wrote:
> Hi Randy,
>
> Still loving my Sonex! And monitoring the Kitfox
> list!
> And waiting for a renewed SkyStar or....
> My Sonex stalls at 41 IAS, and has hit 196 ground
> speed per my GPS!
> I cruise at 140-150 mph on 5.5-5.8 gph 193 octane
> auto gas. 6 more being
> built in SW Oregon. We'll have a Squadron before
> long!
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
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| Subject: | Kitfox flyers/builders |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Fellow Kitfox enthusiasts,
I have had the pleasure and privilege of belonging to this list for a short time,
I enjoy all of the posts and good natured ribbing that goes on here (even
though I don't personally know many of you). I recently went onto another builder
group list to sell a part that I didn't need anymore. While there I witnessed
and was part of several vindictive and just plain mean replies to members
trying to gain knowledge and share experiences with others in the group. I would
just like to remind everyone that we have a great group and we need to make
sure to continue to maintain a family type atmosphere. While some topics (PDA
for example) may lead to spirited conversation, lets make sure that we treat
everyone on this list with the utmost respect. Please choose your words carefully.
Thanks to all for a great forum.
Gary Olson
Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Kitfox flyers/builders |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Those are very true words and good advise, Gary. I am on several other lists
and email groups, and some people think they can be mean and rude with
impunity. This list has been going for over 10 years now, and has helped
thousands of builders. The only reason it has gone so long is that people
here are respectful and friendly to each other and truly want to help. Let's
keep it that way for another 10 years.
Don Pearsall
List Administrator
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox f
lyers/builders
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Fellow Kitfox enthusiasts,
I have had the pleasure and privilege of belonging to this list for a
short time, I enjoy all of the posts and good natured ribbing that goes on
here (even though I don't personally know many of you). I recently went onto
another builder group list to sell a part that I didn't need anymore. While
there I witnessed and was part of several vindictive and just plain mean
replies to members trying to gain knowledge and share experiences with
others in the group. I would just like to remind everyone that we have a
great group and we need to make sure to continue to maintain a family type
atmosphere. While some topics (PDA for example) may lead to spirited
conversation, lets make sure that we treat everyone on this list with the
utmost respect. Please choose your words carefully. Thanks to all for a
great forum.
Gary Olson
Oshkosh
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
I thought part of this article about a unique racing motorcycle might be
of interest. It describes some aspects of radiator design and function
as understood in the formula racing world that might be of use to
aircraft homebuilders.
[ "Unlike a standard-type motorcycle where the radiator is just like a
big old block that sits at right-angles to the airflow, if you slant the
radiator you effectively increase the surface area relative to the
projected area to the airflow." Tuluie said that, depending on the
details of the radiator, it doesn't become much more efficient above 40
mph. "The efficiency tapers off, so you don't really need 200-mph air
for your radiator. The reason is because there are other paths in the
system that just cannot reject heat fast enough. That can be the engine
itself-the surface area is limited within the cylinder. There is a
certain heat-transfer rate through the cylinder wall, there's a
heat-transfer rate in the radiator through the radiator fins and
core-and no matter how fast the air goes, the heat-transfer rate is the
limiting factor. Once you have a certain speed of air going through the
radiator, that is sufficient, and any more will not buy you more cooling.
"If you take a small amount of intake air area, say a square-foot, and
then you route it to a radiator which has a cooling area of two square
feet, then you've doubled the surface area there, and you've reduced the
velocity by a factor of two of the air going to the radiator compared to
the air that was coming in. It's like a stream, for example. A stream
always flows the same amount of water, but when it's wide, the water
flows slow; where it's narrow, the water flows fast-it's the same
principle. So we've taken air from above the front wheel going whatever
the speed of the bike, but when the air goes through the radiator it has
slowed down, say by a factor of two. ]
Complete article here:
http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/apr00/tularis.htm
--
Rex Hefferan
N740GP
Colorado
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Murphy" <murphystl@hotmail.com>
Group : Could anyone recommend a good Rotax mechanic that would be able to come
to St. Louis to help me with a ignition issue on a 912UL in my Classic 4 .
Thanks , John Murphy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
please send more info about airdale mal
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator ideas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 05:08 PM 2/23/2006, you wrote:
>I thought part of this article about a unique racing motorcycle might be
>of interest. It describes some aspects of radiator design and function
>as understood in the formula racing world that might be of use to
>aircraft homebuilders.
Not to disparage the information, this is very old news written in press
release format. Let me know if anyone wants it translated into English.
(Meaning, it may be obvious to everybody but I wanted to write, just in
case it wasn't.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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