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     1. 04:09 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Lynn Matteson)
     2. 04:44 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (fox5flyer)
     3. 04:54 AM - S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer)
     4. 06:40 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Marco Menezes)
     5. 10:27 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (paul wilson)
     6. 10:39 AM - Not a LRI, AOA or SW but something completely new (Mark Burton)
     7. 10:42 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Michael Gibbs)
     8. 10:58 AM - rib thickness (Alberto Santori)
     9. 11:09 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (debrun26@juno.com)
    10. 12:09 PM - Subaru oil loss (fox5flyer)
    11. 12:11 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer)
    12. 12:32 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (paul wilson)
    13. 02:44 PM - Rotax Voltage Regulator (Guy Buchanan)
    14. 03:07 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Rick)
    15. 04:11 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Michael Logan)
    16. 06:42 PM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Malcolmbru@AOL.COM)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Fluff:  Mid Mich Burgers | 
      
      
      How about Mt. Pleasant on Sunday? Pancake b'fast...see:  http:// 
      mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/aero/calendar/dp.cfm
      
      Lynn
      do not archive
      
      On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:16 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
      
      > I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are  
      > worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc.  Preferably airports  
      > that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or so of the  
      > airport.  Anybody have any input?
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Deke Morisse
      > Mikado Michigan
      > S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      > "If you don't read the newspaper you are
      > uninformed, if you do read
      > the newspaper you are misinformed."
      > Mark Twain
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: Fluff:  Mid Mich Burgers | 
      
      
      Thanks for the link Lynn.  Good source.
      Deke
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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:12 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers
      
      
      > 
      > How about Mt. Pleasant on Sunday? Pancake b'fast...see:  http:// 
      > mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/aero/calendar/dp.cfm
      > 
      > Lynn
      > do not archive
      > 
      > On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:16 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
      > 
      > > I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are  
      > > worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc.  Preferably airports  
      > > that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or so of the  
      > > airport.  Anybody have any input?
      > > Thanks,
      > >
      > > Deke Morisse
      > > Mikado Michigan
      > > S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      > > "If you don't read the newspaper you are
      > > uninformed, if you do read
      > > the newspaper you are misinformed."
      > > Mark Twain
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- 
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| Subject:  | S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by Imperial.  It 
      seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I have with it is that 
      after a couple months of use, it begins to get sticky and difficult to 
      turn.  Removal and dismantling finds it dry and a taper fit 
      metal-to-metal brass.  What I've always done to make it like new again 
      is to use a little polishing compound on it, working the valve back and 
      forth until it is smooth again, cleaning it all up, then applying 
      Fuelube to it.  After reinstall, it works perfectly--for awhile.  Then 
      it begins to tighten up again and get difficult to turn.  
      
      As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of it 
      and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much 
      maintenance.  I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they don't 
      make a straight through unit that is suitable.  I'd rather not go into 
      any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary.
      
      What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this problem?  I'd 
      really like to see what my various options are and I'd appreciate any 
      input.
      
      Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fluff:  Mid Mich Burgers | 
      
      Deke,
      
      Try Mecosta Morton (27C) and Clare Co. Harrison (???). Both have modest but decent
      restaurants just beyond the fence.
      
      Marco Menezes
      KF II 582-90 N99KX
      
      fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:       I'm trying to find a few places
      in the mid Michigan  area that are worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch,
      etc.  Preferably  airports that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or
      so of the  airport.  Anybody have any input?
       Thanks,
      
       Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP  355+ TT
      "If you don't read the newspaper you are
      uninformed, if you do  read 
      the newspaper you are misinformed."
      Mark Twain
      
      
         
      
      
             
      ---------------------------------
      Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      A hardware store ball valve labeled WOG will have nice teflon or 
      nylon seals and will always work just fine. They have internal pipe 
      threads and come in 1/4 and 3/8" to choose from.
      Paul
      ===========
      At 06:52 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote:
      >My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by 
      >Imperial.  It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I 
      >have with it is that after a couple months of use, it begins to get 
      >sticky and difficult to turn.  Removal and dismantling finds it dry 
      >and a taper fit metal-to-metal brass.  What I've always done to make 
      >it like new again is to use a little polishing compound on it, 
      >working the valve back and forth until it is smooth again, cleaning 
      >it all up, then applying Fuelube to it.  After reinstall, it works 
      >perfectly--for awhile.  Then it begins to tighten up again and get 
      >difficult to turn.
      >
      >As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of 
      >it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much 
      >maintenance.  I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they 
      >don't make a straight through unit that is suitable.  I'd rather not 
      >go into any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary.
      >
      >What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this 
      >problem?  I'd really like to see what my various options are and I'd 
      >appreciate any input.
      >
      >Deke Morisse
      >Mikado Michigan
      >S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Not a LRI, AOA or SW but something completely new | 
      
      
      Hi Folks,
      
      I am not a Kitfox operator but I do cruise around reading the other lists from
      time to time and saw your discussion on the LRI, stall warners, etc. and thought
      I would bring your attention to a device my company produces.
      
      It's a talking ASI/speed director that can either speak your airspeed or tell you
      if you are deviating from a chosen target speed. The crucial point about the
      product is that all the information is delivered audibly through your headphones
      and so you don't have to look at the ASI at all on approach.
      
      Additionally, it measures the wing loading (acceleration) so that if you pull significant
      amounts of G (while on approach) it will instantly warn you.
      
      It's not  a stall warning system, the best way to think of it is as a "stall margin
      preserver" - it helps you maintain your speed margin above the stall. Easy
      to install, just connect to pitot/static and route the audio output into a spare
      audio input on your radio/intercom.
      
      Anyway, if you want to learn more, please go to www.smartavionics.com.
      
      Cheers,
      
      Mark
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129725#129725
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fluff:  Mid Mich Burgers | 
      
      
      Hey Deke,
      
      >I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are 
      >worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc.
      
      You might find this helpful: <http://www.100dollarhamburger.com/>.
      
      Mike G.
      List Mom
      N728KF
      Phoenix, AZ
      
      
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      Hello to all, I'm Alberto from Italy.I'd like to know the thicikness of the
       plywood used for the ribs.What are the procedures to glue them to the alum
      inum spars?Thanks!Alberto
      _________________________________________________________________
      Quale attrice a 31 anni a ha gi=E0 avuto 5 nomination agli oscar?
      http://search.msn.it/results.aspx?q=kate+winslet&FORM=MSNH
      
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| Subject:  | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      Hey Deke,   I also have an S5 with the NSI Sooby engine...  I'd like to 
      know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube that c
      omes out the top side of the oil pan and dumps out all over under the pl
      ane.  mine often drains a quart in an hour and I've got to find a fix. P
      lease give me some ideas....    Thanks,   Layne  from Alaska  
      
      
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      Layne, your problem of blowing oil out the breather is not an NSI 
      problem, at least not for the normally aspirated version.   Are you 
      speaking of the turbo version?  If so, I'm not familiar with that setup.
      
      "I'd like to know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the 
      breeather tube that comes out the top side of the oil pan"
      
      Regarding your above statement, my oil pan has no breather tube.  The 
      only breather mine has is from the remote storage tank on the firewall.  
      Is that what you're referring to?
      
      Mine doesn't throw out any oil, but there is a tendency to soil the 
      belly of the airplane with breather mist the same as any other airplane 
      does.  I go through a quart about every twenty hours.
      
      You need to check to ensure that you aren't over filling your tank.  I 
      did that once and it really made a big mess.  What happened was that I 
      didn't realize when I filled the tank with the amount of oil specified 
      that it already had some oil in it from the factory break in.  Once I 
      realized what happened I just keep the oil level at what is recommended 
      and I have no problems.  When mine is full the actual level is about 2/3 
      the way up the tank.
      
      Another thing.  In the firewall tank there is a baffle that protects the 
      oil contents from easily blowing out the breather.  Ensure that you tank 
      has that baffle.  You can tell by just shining a light down through the 
      fill hole.
      
      Hope this helps a little.  Let me know if I can help anymore.
      
      Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      "If you don't read the newspaper you are
      uninformed, if you do read 
      the newspaper you are misinformed."
      Mark Twain
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: debrun26@juno.com 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:06 PM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
      
      
        Hey Deke,   I also have an S5 with the NSI Sooby engine...  I'd like 
      to know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube 
      that comes out the top side of the oil pan and dumps out all over under 
      the plane.  mine often drains a quart in an hour and I've got to find a 
      fix. Please give me some ideas....    Thanks,   Layne  from Alaska   
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      Thanks Paul.  What I'm actually looking for is a direct replacement, if 
      one isn't available.  I'd considered the ball valve, but wasn't sure how 
      I could mount it to the underside of the console.  
      
      Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      "If you don't read the newspaper you are
      uninformed, if you do read 
      the newspaper you are misinformed."
      Mark Twain
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: paul wilson 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:23 PM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
      
      
        A hardware store ball valve labeled WOG will have nice teflon or nylon 
      seals and will always work just fine. They have internal pipe threads 
      and come in 1/4 and 3/8" to choose from.
        Paul
        ===========
        At 06:52 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote:
      
          My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by Imperial.  
      It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I have with it is 
      that after a couple months of use, it begins to get sticky and difficult 
      to turn.  Removal and dismantling finds it dry and a taper fit 
      metal-to-metal brass.  What I've always done to make it like new again 
      is to use a little polishing compound on it, working the valve back and 
      forth until it is smooth again, cleaning it all up, then applying 
      Fuelube to it.  After reinstall, it works perfectly--for awhile.  Then 
      it begins to tighten up again and get difficult to turn.  
           
          As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of 
      it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much 
      maintenance.  I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they don't 
      make a straight through unit that is suitable.  I'd rather not go into 
      any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary.
           
          What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this problem?  
      I'd really like to see what my various options are and I'd appreciate 
      any input.
           
          Deke Morisse
          Mikado Michigan
          S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
           
           
           
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      Boy, you are correct re-plumbing would be needed. A lot of us started 
      with the HW store valves from the beginning.
      Paul
      =====================
      At 02:07 PM 8/18/2007, you wrote:
      >Thanks Paul.  What I'm actually looking for is a direct replacement, 
      >if one isn't available.  I'd considered the ball valve, but wasn't 
      >sure how I could mount it to the underside of the console.
      >
      >Deke Morisse
      >Mikado Michigan
      >S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      >"If you don't read the newspaper you are
      >uninformed, if you do read
      >the newspaper you are misinformed."
      >Mark Twain
      >
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: <mailto:pwmac@sisna.com>paul wilson
      >To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:23 PM
      >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
      >
      >A hardware store ball valve labeled WOG will have nice teflon or 
      >nylon seals and will always work just fine. They have internal pipe 
      >threads and come in 1/4 and 3/8" to choose from.
      >Paul
      >===========
      >At 06:52 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote:
      >>My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by 
      >>Imperial.  It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I 
      >>have with it is that after a couple months of use, it begins to get 
      >>sticky and difficult to turn.  Removal and dismantling finds it dry 
      >>and a taper fit metal-to-metal brass.  What I've always done to 
      >>make it like new again is to use a little polishing compound on it, 
      >>working the valve back and forth until it is smooth again, cleaning 
      >>it all up, then applying Fuelube to it.  After reinstall, it works 
      >>perfectly--for awhile.  Then it begins to tighten up again and get 
      >>difficult to turn.
      >>
      >>As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of 
      >>it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much 
      >>maintenance.  I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they 
      >>don't make a straight through unit that is suitable.  I'd rather 
      >>not go into any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary.
      >>
      >>What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this 
      >>problem?  I'd really like to see what my various options are and 
      >>I'd appreciate any input.
      >>
      >>Deke Morisse
      >>Mikado Michigan
      >>S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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      >
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax Voltage Regulator | 
      
      
      All,
               It looks like my Rotax 582 three phase voltage regulator's 
      dying. (It will occasionally go over voltage. I can re-set it and get 
      it to work, but it's happening more often now.)
               Does anyone have a recommended replacement? I've mounted it 
      in the engine compartment to minimize electrical noise in the cockpit 
      and I suspect things are a little hot for the stock Rotax unit. Has 
      anyone tried any of the Harley replacements? Any after-market units? 
      Or should I just increase the cooling to the Rotax unit?
      
      Thanks,
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. 
      
      
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| Subject:  | S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      I replaced mine with the Adair valve. ACS carried it. Yes a little
      plumbing but worth it. Not a big deal.  Should be a pic on the photo
      section. Since your not running a kerosene heater you don't need the
      valve that goes with one :)
      
      Rick 
      
      8/17/2007 5:43 PM
      
      
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| Subject:  | S5 Sticky fuel valve | 
      
      Layne,
      
      I had the same set up as you do.  What I did was to put a 90 degree fitting
      inside the tank where the oil returns from the engine to the tank.  On the
      fitting I put a tube running down to the lower end of the tank with holes in
      it to allow the oil and mist to disburse.  The reason behind the fitting and
      the tube is because with the original, the oil would shoot straight into the
      tank from the engine blow-by pressure and would allow create a mist that
      could flow out the overflow.  I also put in a catch bottle on the breather.
      I made the catch bottle from a water bottle used  by bicyclist.  I ran the
      tubing from the overflow into the top of the bottle and down near the bottom
      of the bottle.  I put another fitting in the top that ran an overflow down
      to the bottom of the firewall.  Any misting oil that came through the
      breather would settle in the catch bottle and only air would flow out the
      overflow from the catch bottle.  I made a filter out of an aluminum kitchen
      scrubber and put it in the top of the catch bottle to make sure any mist
      would be stopped from going out the overflow.
      
      The NSI setup is very sensitive to over filling the oil tank.  The level in
      the tank should really be checked after running the engine for a few minutes
      to make sure any oil that has drained down from the tank into the engine is
      pumped back into the storage tank.  There is a check valve that is supposed
      to prevent this but it might not stop all of the drainage.  The setup is
      also very sensitive to rings going bad or any other kind of wear that would
      cause excessive blow-by.  When there is excessive blow-by, it goes into the
      storage tank with enough force that there is a lot of oil misting that goes
      out the breather.
      
      Mike 
      Series 5 formerly with an NSI.
      
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      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      debrun26@juno.com
      Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:06 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
      
      
      Hey Deke,   I also have an S5 with the NSI Sooby engine...  I'd like to know
      what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube that comes out
      the top side of the oil pan and dumps out all over under the plane.  mine
      often drains a quart in an hour and I've got to find a fix. Please give me
      some ideas....    Thanks,   Layne  from Alaska   
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fluff:  Mid Mich Burgers | 
      
      Dalton has a place called Gabby's on the field. 
       Houghton lake  (DNR) by the state police post has a nice  restaurant within 
      walking distance, on the water. 
        Owoso  has a hotel and strip bar you can taxi up to, nice for a  over 
      night. 
         malcolm  
      
      
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