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1. 02:09 AM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims (Steve Shinabery)
2. 08:04 AM - Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace (Jimmie Blackwell)
3. 01:33 PM - Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace (Lowell Fitt)
4. 02:42 PM - Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims (jdmol2002)
5. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims (Kevin Cozik)
6. 05:21 PM - Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace (dcsfoto)
7. 05:30 PM - Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace (Jimmie Blackwell)
8. 06:24 PM - Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace (84KF)
9. 06:32 PM - Electronic Rudder Trim (Jim Corner)
10. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims (Noel Loveys)
11. 07:18 PM - Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace (akflyer)
12. 08:53 PM - Re: Electronic Rudder Trim (Guy Buchanan)
13. 08:53 PM - Moderator Reminder (Guy Buchanan)
14. 09:46 PM - 0-200 Firewall forward photos? (flybymike)
15. 09:56 PM - [ Kevin Cozik ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
16. 10:19 PM - Re: Electronic Rudder Trim (Jim Corner)
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims |
This too would B a new idea,,,I too will give some thought on this.I too
have hitch 4 my KF2 all so...keep me posted,,,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
Rexinator wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
> I have thought about using the cross tubes on my Model 2 and
> considering how to also shock mount the tail mount fixture I would
> create. I'm thinking of adapting my kitfox tow bar by sawing it off
> and welding to convert the 2 parts kind of like a receiver hitch. It
> could then be reassembled to still work as designed or broken down for
> easier storage. I could then fabricate a trailer mount that would
> receive the shortened modified tow bar which would secure the tail to
> the trailer. I've thought about different methods I could make the
> trailer mount have some shock absorbing capability, but have not
> settled on a design yet.
> Any critique of this concept anyone?
>
> Oh, about the gear width. The flat bed trailer I have was wide enough
> for the bungie gear, but not the Grove gear. I had to modify the
> trailer a little.
>
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| Subject: | Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace |
Yesterday, in a preflight I noted that the strut cross brace where the
struts attach to the bottom of the wing has a 1/4" hole that is
apparently the result of rust.
Has anyone else had this happen?
Would appreciate opinions as to whether this calls into question the
structural integrity of the entire wing strut.
Jimmie
Model IV, 1200
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| Subject: | Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace |
Jimmie,
I have been told that the cross brace is there to ease the construction
process - stabilize the whole lift strut assembly when fitting it to the
wing. With that thinking, it has no structural value at all. I think my
only concern would be where else there might be rust.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace
Yesterday, in a preflight I noted that the strut cross brace where the
struts attach to the bottom of the wing has a 1/4" hole that is apparently
the result of rust.
Has anyone else had this happen?
Would appreciate opinions as to whether this calls into question the
structural integrity of the entire wing strut.
Jimmie
Model IV, 1200
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims |
Seeing your on the subject of trailering. Anybody that is wondering about trailering
a kitfox, I do it every flight. I pay zero for hanger fees, and I can go
out in the garage anytime and work on my plane. It takes me 4 minutes to get
off the trailer and ready to fly. The kitfox is made to trailer,and I wonder why
more people don't do it. If you have your own strip I understand. It is like
having a boat, some people like it in the water getting full of scum, and others
like it in the garage to keep it looking new.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143620#143620
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims |
That's a great option. There is a guy that live just north of me who does
the same thing. Waits for the nice weather and pulls it over to a local
grass strip and within 15 minutes can be airborne.
Kevin Cozik
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmol2002" <jdmol2002@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims
>
> Seeing your on the subject of trailering. Anybody that is wondering about
> trailering a kitfox, I do it every flight. I pay zero for hanger fees, and
> I can go out in the garage anytime and work on my plane. It takes me 4
> minutes to get off the trailer and ready to fly. The kitfox is made to
> trailer,and I wonder why more people don't do it. If you have your own
> strip I understand. It is like having a boat, some people like it in the
> water getting full of scum, and others like it in the garage to keep it
> looking new.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143620#143620
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace |
download copy of AC 43-13 from faa.gov it shows many repairs.
David kelm do not arcive
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| Subject: | Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace |
Lowell
Thank you. That is great information. I certainly agree that where else
may be rusted does indeed have me concerned. As much as I dread it I am
planning on taking off the fiberglass fairings and having a look at the
whole strut unless someone knows a way to check it without taking off the
fairings.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall anyone have this kind
of issue with the struts. Will keep all posted on what I find. I do not
want to even think about a strut failure.
Thank again Lowell.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace
>
> Jimmie,
>
> I have been told that the cross brace is there to ease the construction
> process - stabilize the whole lift strut assembly when fitting it to the
> wing. With that thinking, it has no structural value at all. I think my
> only concern would be where else there might be rust.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:00 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace
>
>
> Yesterday, in a preflight I noted that the strut cross brace where the
> struts attach to the bottom of the wing has a 1/4" hole that is apparently
> the result of rust.
>
> Has anyone else had this happen?
>
> Would appreciate opinions as to whether this calls into question the
> structural integrity of the entire wing strut.
>
> Jimmie
> Model IV, 1200
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace |
A common and simple method for inspecting for internal corrosion in
aircraft steel tubing and structures is to use a small pin punch and a
hammer. Yes, it will leave small punch marks on good strong metal but
if the material is corroded ...you will know.
How hard you strike the punch is a judgement call...but don't be shy.
There are ultrasonic methods of NDT also available to determine
material thickness but it will cost $$.
Here is a link to corrosion from FAA 43.13 1B, CHAPTER 6. CORROSION,
INSPECTION & PROTECTION
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2006.pdf
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| Subject: | Electronic Rudder Trim |
Chris
I have been using electronic rudder, elevator and aileron trim on my
Model 2 for several years and have not had any problems with flutter.
I have used heavy duty R/C servos with great success. So much so
that I am incorporating built-in servos on my Model 5, I have attached a
photo of the rudder servo installation.
JIm
Model 2, 582, IVO med IFA, 1100 hrs
Model 5 under construction
Calgary AB
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims |
Takes about an hour to ready for flight on floats.... Of course there is
more tie downs and I don't transport the plane with any fuel in the
wings.... Then there is the whole thing about launching and retrieving the
trailer.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Kevin Cozik
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:42 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims
>
>
> <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
>
> That's a great option. There is a guy that live just north
> of me who does
> the same thing. Waits for the nice weather and pulls it over
> to a local
> grass strip and within 15 minutes can be airborne.
> Kevin Cozik
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdmol2002" <jdmol2002@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox WAS: King Fox rims
>
>
> >
> > Seeing your on the subject of trailering. Anybody that is
> wondering about
> > trailering a kitfox, I do it every flight. I pay zero for
> hanger fees, and
> > I can go out in the garage anytime and work on my plane. It
> takes me 4
> > minutes to get off the trailer and ready to fly. The kitfox
> is made to
> > trailer,and I wonder why more people don't do it. If you
> have your own
> > strip I understand. It is like having a boat, some people
> like it in the
> > water getting full of scum, and others like it in the
> garage to keep it
> > looking new.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143620#143620
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rusty Wing Strut Cross Brace |
take a look in the phone book and see if there is an industrial xray company in
your area. You should be able to get the struts xray'd for a 4 hour call out.
UT may be a bit cheaper but I can see either one running you more than 2-300..
a heck of alot cheaper than folding a wing or taking the time to pull the
fairings.. plus, you still wont know what the ID looks like unless you have some
form of NDE done. Make sure you tell them it is experimental, and they dont
have to be an FAA licensed station to perform the inspections.
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Rudder Trim |
At 06:31 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote:
>I have used heavy duty R/C servos with great success.
Jim,
How do you drive them? I mean, what electrical signal do you
supply and how do you control it?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Moderator Reminder |
Hi gang!
Things have been getting a little chatty lately so I'm
offering these reminders:
1. Please address the "Way to go's" and "I agree's" and "That's way
cool's" and like non-informational responses directly instead of to
the Kitfox list. That way it keeps things friendly while keeping the
list "technical".
2. We've got some new people who haven't picked up on the signature.
Please put your full name, location, and aircraft type / status in
the signature so we can think of you as a human being instead of a
handle. (At some time or other I hope to meet each and every one of you.)
3. Be careful to change the subject line when you change the subject.
It really helps the archives and those who follow on the forum. (They
usually use threading.)
4. Finally, please check out Matt's contribution page,
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution/) and make a handsome
contribution. Or just make a small contribution. Think of it as part
of your annual. Think of it as part of the kit price. Please think of it.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 0-200 Firewall forward photos? |
Does anyone have any Continental 0-200 firewall forward photos they can
share? Thanks.
Mike Custard
Bend, OR.
Kitfox SS
75%
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| Subject: | [ Kevin Cozik ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Rudder Trim |
Guy
Jointly with the help of an R/C tech type, a Motorola M68HC908
microcontroller has been programmed to generate the required pulse
widths
to operate the servos. Variable potentiometers are used to input a
signal to the microcontoller and the servos follow the potentiometer
position.
A commercially available (R/C Hobby Shops) servo exorciser could be
used or perhaps better would be the General Purpose Non-Mac Servo
controller offered by Eric Jones at http://www.PerihelionDesign.com
Jim
On 3-Nov-07, at 9:35 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> Jim,
> How do you drive them? I mean, what electrical signal do
> you supply and how do you control it?
>
> Thanks,
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