Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 08:22 AM - Re: Carb Heat (LarryM)
2. 09:03 AM - Re: Carb Heat (darinh)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Dave G.)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (john oakley)
5. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Sbennett3@aol.com)
6. 11:36 AM - Re: Carb Heat (wingnut)
7. 12:01 PM - Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (SUE MICHAELS)
8. 01:01 PM - Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (Zimmermans)
9. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Paul Seehafer)
10. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Vic Baker)
11. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Lowell Fitt)
12. 04:03 PM - 8 inch wheels (Southern Skies)
13. 04:05 PM - Re: Carb Heat (LarryM)
14. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Dennis Golden)
15. 04:44 PM - Re: Carb Heat (wingnut)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (Sbennett3@aol.com)
17. 06:40 PM - Re: 8 inch wheels (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
18. 06:46 PM - Re: 8 inch wheels (RAY Gignac)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
20. 07:31 PM - Re: Carb Heat (darinh)
21. 07:54 PM - Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (Sbennett3@aol.com)
22. 07:56 PM - Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (Lynn Matteson)
23. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Paul Seehafer)
24. 08:30 PM - Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
25. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (john oakley)
26. 10:17 PM - Re: 8 inch wheels (Lowell Fitt)
27. 10:44 PM - 912 Instruments for sale. (SUE MICHAELS)
28. 10:54 PM - (john oakley)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Wingnunt,
I didn't want to go through the hassle of making a carb heat muff, box, control
etc. This is A kind of do it and for get about it. I always leave it on as
there is no performance loss. It's designed to keep the carb above freezing
even when considering the evaporation due the venturi. After a few years, I have
had no icing problems. The 15W light bulb taped to the side of the carb work
real good too.
I don't think that any carb is immune from carb ice. I had a car that always
iced up on me. (British no less - I can imagine how it performed over there with
all those days of good carb ice weather) I had to build a heat muff directed
on the carb. The throttle body on my injected VW van would ice up as well.
The throttle body manufacture had made a system to allow hot water to circulate
around it. No body knew it at the time what it was for. I finally figured
it out after a few times of getting stuck due to ice. It was an imported VW
engine from South Africa made for their market and had no use for the anti -
ice system, therefor the instructions ignored it and the barbs where plugged)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149863#149863
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
John,
I never had any problems with ice on my 912 but would never rule it out. I have
read many posts from 912 owners that think that ice is a non-issue as the air
intakes are higher in the cowl and should have adequate heat to prevent icing,
but I am not so sure. With my 914, the setup is different, there is a single
intake and it is located in the radiator scoop on the bottom of the cowl so
I will be getting cold, moist air straight to my carbs. As you know, here in
Utah we have a pretty dry climate but there are a few days a year that are conducive
to carb ice. What are you using for carb heat?
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149868#149868
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I wouldn't be quick to dismiss you idea, on the other hand I doubt if it
makes much difference. First the carb body is not aluminum as far as I know.
I believe it's a zinc type pot metal alloy. The second issue is that in a
very breezy environment I don't think that your wire would effectively
transfer much heat unless there is a lot of surface contact. It might be
worth getting a carb temp guage and seeing how effective your setup is.
I live right where the US gov't comes to test their aircraft in icing
conditions, and I know a couple of guys who are using 912's without carb
heat. That might be a bad idea, I just don't know. I'd like the option of
heat if it was me, but I think the carb heaters that bolt right into the
body might be a better idea.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryM" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
>
> Wingnunt,
>
> I didn't want to go through the hassle of making a carb heat muff, box,
> control etc. This is A kind of do it and for get about it. I always
> leave it on as there is no performance loss. It's designed to keep the
> carb above freezing even when considering the evaporation due the venturi.
> After a few years, I have had no icing problems. The 15W light bulb taped
> to the side of the carb work real good too.
>
> I don't think that any carb is immune from carb ice. I had a car that
> always iced up on me. (British no less - I can imagine how it performed
> over there with all those days of good carb ice weather) I had to build
> a heat muff directed on the carb. The throttle body on my injected VW van
> would ice up as well. The throttle body manufacture had made a system to
> allow hot water to circulate around it. No body knew it at the time what
> it was for. I finally figured it out after a few times of getting stuck
> due to ice. It was an imported VW engine from South Africa made for their
> market and had no use for the anti - ice system, therefor the instructions
> ignored it and the barbs where plugged)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149863#149863
>
>
>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Darin,
I have the carb box that was a stock system on the model 4. I have had ice
twice, both times in a bad place. I have several friends that fly rans and
they have had ice also. On the 914 you get the air after the turbo if I
remember right and it will take care of any problems.
john
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
John,
I never had any problems with ice on my 912 but would never rule it out. I
have read many posts from 912 owners that think that ice is a non-issue as
the air intakes are higher in the cowl and should have adequate heat to
prevent icing, but I am not so sure. With my 914, the setup is different,
there is a single intake and it is located in the radiator scoop on the
bottom of the cowl so I will be getting cold, moist air straight to my
carbs. As you know, here in Utah we have a pretty dry climate but there are
a few days a year that are conducive to carb ice. What are you using for
carb heat?
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149868#149868
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I have a 1994 built kitfox 4 with a 912. No carb heat, and it has almost 800
hrs on it. I live in NC. Steve Bennett
**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Did you ever have a problem with icing on your 912 before adding the light bulb?
> I didn't want to go through the hassle of making a carb heat muff, box, control
etc. This is A kind of do it and for get about it. I always leave it on as
there is no performance loss. It's designed to keep the carb above freezing even
when considering the evaporation due the venturi. After a few years, I have
had no icing problems. The 15W light bulb taped to the side of the carb work
real good too.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149893#149893
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
I had a list but you know how the little gremlins hide stuff from you when your
working on your dream.
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
Here is the question I asked EAA and there response.
Jim Zimmerman
Series 5 0-200 Building
Hello,
FAR 91.205 lists the instruments required for vfr flight of an aircraft
that has a standard category airworthiness certificate.
Where do I find the requirements for an experimental armature built
aircraft? (homebuilt Kitfox) Same thing? Thank you.
For a day VFR experimental aircraft, there are no minimum requirements.
You are welcome to use 91.205 as a guide, but you are not required to
abide by it. However, if you plan to make the aircraft legal to operate
at night (or under IFR, which probably wouldn't be the case with a
Kitfox), you will be required by the aircraft's operating limitations to
equip in accordance with 91.205. But again, for day VFR flying there is
no minimum equipment requirement for an experimental amateur-built or
ELSA aircraft.
Joe Norris
EAA Aviation Services
EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI
888-322-4636, extension 6806
jnorris@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: SUE MICHAELS
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements??
I had a list but you know how the little gremlins hide stuff from you
when your working on your dream.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
11/27/2007 11:40 AM
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Luis,
I have a 912ul in a Model IV Kitfox that I've put about 300 hours on thus
far and not ever have I experienced carb ice problems. But a friend of mine
with a very similar kitfox two hangars down from me has experienced it a few
times already in less than 50 hours of flying. (Wisconsin has great weather
for carb ice fwiw) So why would he have the problem when I don't?
Here's my idea;
If you installed the standard Kitfox carb heat kit you are forcing cold air
from the front of the engine compartment down the scat tubing directly into
the carburetor venturis. So you have nothing but nice ice cold air coming
into your carbs. And being that it is speeded up as it goes through the
venturi opening on the carb, if the conditions are right, you are going to
get ice in your carbs.
If you DIDN'T install the carb heat kit you will have air filters attached
to the back of the carburetors resting nearly against the firewall, rather
than scat tubing from the front of the cowl. And because the carbs sit
directly above the exhaust pipes, plus the muffler is nearby along with all
the other heat that gets blown back toward the firewall coming off the
engine, the air going into the carbs is going to be relatively warm. So
that makes carb icing pretty unlikely. However, I did say unlikely, not
impossible.
So long story short, Kitfoxes with the carb heat kits are the ones that will
ice up (ironic isn't it?). BUT, all the pilot needs to do when that happens
is to pull the knob to engage manifold heat to the carbs and they will be
able to fix the problem. My friend has since adopted a carb heat on policy
whenever flying in conditions that look good for carb icing. He says he
doesn't even notice a performance loss. Thus far, that is working good for
him.
So if you have carb heat installed, you'll get ice. But you can fix the
problem by applying heat with the carb heat knob.
If you don't have carb heat installed, and you get carb ice, you are
probably going to be making an unplanned landing....
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
Model IV 1200 912ul amphib
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
>
> What's the advantage of this over conventional carb heat based on hot air?
> Also, I might be paranoid but the idea of a light bulb in the vicinity of
> a carburetor sounds risky to me.
>
> What motor are you using? I've read that carb heat isn't really necessary
> on the Rotax 912. Anyone have thoughts on that?
>
>
>> can?Tt remember my whole thought process, but it evolved from a fellow
>> listee who used a 15w tail light bulb taped to his carb to successfully
>> defeat carb ice.
>
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149772#149772
>
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Ok guys,
I've got a Model 7 here about ready to go, got the induction plenum
installed behind the carbs with the feed being cold air from the lower cowl
intake scoop which directs air across the radiator. There is an alternate
air intake on the plenum which the instructions call for safety wiring
closed. Seems like an ideal setup for carb icing. Any suggestions out
there?
Vic
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp 95%
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
Luis,
I have a 912ul in a Model IV Kitfox that I've put about 300 hours on thus
far and not ever have I experienced carb ice problems. But a friend of mine
with a very similar kitfox two hangars down from me has experienced it a few
times already in less than 50 hours of flying. (Wisconsin has great weather
for carb ice fwiw) So why would he have the problem when I don't?
Here's my idea;
If you installed the standard Kitfox carb heat kit you are forcing cold air
from the front of the engine compartment down the scat tubing directly into
the carburetor venturis. So you have nothing but nice ice cold air coming
into your carbs. And being that it is speeded up as it goes through the
venturi opening on the carb, if the conditions are right, you are going to
get ice in your carbs.
If you DIDN'T install the carb heat kit you will have air filters attached
to the back of the carburetors resting nearly against the firewall, rather
than scat tubing from the front of the cowl. And because the carbs sit
directly above the exhaust pipes, plus the muffler is nearby along with all
the other heat that gets blown back toward the firewall coming off the
engine, the air going into the carbs is going to be relatively warm. So
that makes carb icing pretty unlikely. However, I did say unlikely, not
impossible.
So long story short, Kitfoxes with the carb heat kits are the ones that will
ice up (ironic isn't it?). BUT, all the pilot needs to do when that happens
is to pull the knob to engage manifold heat to the carbs and they will be
able to fix the problem. My friend has since adopted a carb heat on policy
whenever flying in conditions that look good for carb icing. He says he
doesn't even notice a performance loss. Thus far, that is working good for
him.
So if you have carb heat installed, you'll get ice. But you can fix the
problem by applying heat with the carb heat knob.
If you don't have carb heat installed, and you get carb ice, you are
probably going to be making an unplanned landing....
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
Model IV 1200 912ul amphib
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
>
> What's the advantage of this over conventional carb heat based on hot air?
> Also, I might be paranoid but the idea of a light bulb in the vicinity of
> a carburetor sounds risky to me.
>
> What motor are you using? I've read that carb heat isn't really necessary
> on the Rotax 912. Anyone have thoughts on that?
>
>
>> can?Tt remember my whole thought process, but it evolved from a fellow
>> listee who used a 15w tail light bulb taped to his carb to successfully
>> defeat carb ice.
>
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149772#149772
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Paul's experience is what has been the mantra since I started building in
1993. With the exception of the first Alaska trip reporting hiccups of the
912s that they attributed to carb ice, the only reports of carb ice in the
nearly fifteen years I have been monitoring the list is in carb heat box
equipped Kitfoxes. Paul, regarding your friends no loss of power with carb
heat on - the overall reports seem to indicate that the assembly with SCAT
tubing will degrade performance a bit due to induction resistance whether
the carb heat is on or off. As I recall, this was the most compelling
reason most opted to remove the system. My now desceased Model IV did not
have carb heat nor did any of the other six guys I regularly flew with and
the bunch all had hours approaching 1000 or more. I had 909 when Kay and I
went down. None have reported anything approaching carb ice.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
>
> Luis,
>
> I have a 912ul in a Model IV Kitfox that I've put about 300 hours on thus
> far and not ever have I experienced carb ice problems. But a friend of
> mine with a very similar kitfox two hangars down from me has experienced
> it a few times already in less than 50 hours of flying. (Wisconsin has
> great weather for carb ice fwiw) So why would he have the problem when I
> don't?
>
> Here's my idea;
>
> If you installed the standard Kitfox carb heat kit you are forcing cold
> air from the front of the engine compartment down the scat tubing directly
> into the carburetor venturis. So you have nothing but nice ice cold air
> coming into your carbs. And being that it is speeded up as it goes
> through the venturi opening on the carb, if the conditions are right, you
> are going to get ice in your carbs.
>
> If you DIDN'T install the carb heat kit you will have air filters attached
> to the back of the carburetors resting nearly against the firewall, rather
> than scat tubing from the front of the cowl. And because the carbs sit
> directly above the exhaust pipes, plus the muffler is nearby along with
> all the other heat that gets blown back toward the firewall coming off the
> engine, the air going into the carbs is going to be relatively warm. So
> that makes carb icing pretty unlikely. However, I did say unlikely, not
> impossible.
>
> So long story short, Kitfoxes with the carb heat kits are the ones that
> will ice up (ironic isn't it?). BUT, all the pilot needs to do when that
> happens is to pull the knob to engage manifold heat to the carbs and they
> will be able to fix the problem. My friend has since adopted a carb heat
> on policy whenever flying in conditions that look good for carb icing. He
> says he doesn't even notice a performance loss. Thus far, that is working
> good for him.
>
> So if you have carb heat installed, you'll get ice. But you can fix the
> problem by applying heat with the carb heat knob.
>
> If you don't have carb heat installed, and you get carb ice, you are
> probably going to be making an unplanned landing....
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
> Model IV 1200 912ul amphib
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:16 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
>
>
>>
>> What's the advantage of this over conventional carb heat based on hot
>> air? Also, I might be paranoid but the idea of a light bulb in the
>> vicinity of a carburetor sounds risky to me.
>>
>> What motor are you using? I've read that carb heat isn't really necessary
>> on the Rotax 912. Anyone have thoughts on that?
>>
>>
>>
>>> can?Tt remember my whole thought process, but it evolved from a fellow
>>> listee who used a 15w tail light bulb taped to his carb to successfully
>>> defeat carb ice.
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Luis Rodriguez
>> Model IV 1200
>> Rotax 912UL
>> Flying Weekly
>> Laurens, SC (34A)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149772#149772
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
New to this list, please excuse if topic came up before.
I have the 6 inch Matco Wheels/Brakes on my model 3 and also have a set of new
"Tundra" 8 inch ATV tires (slick, big and fat).
I would like to switch to these big fat tires since my field is very rough.
Obviously, 8 inch wheels won't fit on the 6 inch Matco wheels, so my question is:
What wheels do I need to get and what else do I need to change, if any?
Will my existing brakes work?
I heard something about ATV wheels but I don't have a clue as to what exact model
to look at and how to make it work with my existing landing gear/axle/brakes
(have the Grove Aluminum Gear).
Thanks for any advice.
Chris
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Dave,
When I was testing the unit before deciding how hot to make it, at 20F, with
the carb left to cold soak overnight, within minutes of plugging it in - it was
hot to touch. It is estimated than 100f is hot to the touch. The way I use
it as an "anti ice" is having the carb body warm all the time, therefore the
condensation can't freeze.
I concur with the others who say carb ice is rare, but at our strip, I'm the
only one without an unscheduled landing due to carb ice. OH No, what did I just
do to my self!!!!???
larry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149930#149930
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> Paul's experience is what has been the mantra since I started building
> in 1993. With the exception of the first Alaska trip reporting hiccups
> of the 912s that they attributed to carb ice, the only reports of carb
> ice in the nearly fifteen years I have been monitoring the list is in
> carb heat box equipped Kitfoxes. Paul, regarding your friends no loss
> of power with carb heat on - the overall reports seem to indicate that
> the assembly with SCAT tubing will degrade performance a bit due to
> induction resistance whether the carb heat is on or off. As I recall,
> this was the most compelling reason most opted to remove the system. My
> now desceased Model IV did not have carb heat nor did any of the other
> six guys I regularly flew with and the bunch all had hours approaching
> 1000 or more. I had 909 when Kay and I went down. None have reported
> anything approaching carb ice.
>
> Lowell
I don't know if there is room to install carb heaters in the Kitfox
installation, but if you're worried you might want to check this out:
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/bing/carbheater.html
Dennis
--
Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Paul,
Didn't you answered your own question with the rest of your post? ie: Your friend
has experienced carb ice because he has carb heat box. You've not experience
carb ice but how do you know that it isn't just because you don't have the same
setup? So is it true as Lowel suggested that no one on this list that does
not have a carb heat box has ever experience carb ice? That would be kind of
compelling.
> I have a 912ul in a Model IV Kitfox that I've put about 300 hours on thus far
and not ever have I experienced carb ice problems. But a friend of mine with
a very similar kitfox two hangars down from me has experienced it a few times
already in less than 50 hours of flying. (Wisconsin has great weather for carb
ice fwiw) So why would he have the problem when I don't?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149940#149940
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
If you are a sport pilot you need compass, volt
meter,tach,asi,atimeter,elt,oil pressure,oil temp,water temp,fuel guage,compass,strobe
lights. I just
had a checkride yesterday and that was one of the questions... Oh ya, I took
it in my kitfox, and I passed... Steve Bennett
**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I switched my 6" wheels on my Avid MK IV to 8" Kitfox wheels so I could use
the 8" tundra tires also. I used a set of hubs from a Kitfox 3 and the 8"
Mitchell wheels that came on the Kitfox 3s. I'm guessing that your Matco
wheels have the bearings inside the wheel and don't have a seperate hub. I
believe that is what was on my Avid to start with. The disc brake rotor f
it both sets of wheels, I just swapped from one set to the other. The Kitf
ox hub needs more axle length than the Matcos. I have another set of hubs
for a Kitfox that I don't really need, but no extra 8" wheels. Hope this i
nfo helps (and is correct) Jim Chuk> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:55:46 -0500>
From: chris@southernskies.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kit
s <chris@southernskies.net>> > New to this list, please excuse if topic cam
e up before.> > I have the 6 inch Matco Wheels/Brakes on my model 3 and als
o have a set of new "Tundra" 8 inch ATV tires (slick, big and fat).> > I wo
uld like to switch to these big fat tires since my field is very rough.> >
Obviously, 8 inch wheels won't fit on the 6 inch Matco wheels, so my questi
on is: What wheels do I need to get and what else do I need to change, if a
ny?> Will my existing brakes work?> > I heard something about ATV wheels bu
t I don't have a clue as to what exact model to look at and how to make it
work with my existing landing gear/axle/brakes (have the Grove Aluminum Gea
====================> > >
_________________________________________________________________
Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120
07
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
What you will need is the original DOUGLAS ATV wheel to fit those large tir
es! I have two sets of the original hubs and bearings, plus the axles if y
our interested. Douglas has a web site just google you will find it. Let
me know if your interested in my hubs and axles.
Ray> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:55:46 -0500> From: chris@southernskies.net> T
o: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: 8 inch wheels> > --> Ki
tfox-List message posted by: Southern Skies <chris@southernskies.net>> > Ne
w to this list, please excuse if topic came up before.> > I have the 6 inch
Matco Wheels/Brakes on my model 3 and also have a set of new "Tundra" 8 in
ch ATV tires (slick, big and fat).> > I would like to switch to these big f
at tires since my field is very rough.> > Obviously, 8 inch wheels won't fi
t on the 6 inch Matco wheels, so my question is: What wheels do I need to g
et and what else do I need to change, if any?> Will my existing brakes work
?> > I heard something about ATV wheels but I don't have a clue as to what
exact model to look at and how to make it work with my existing landing gea
r/axle/brakes (have the Grove Aluminum Gear).> > Thanks for any advice.> >
========> > >
_________________________________________________________________
Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_C
PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
I don't remember that question on my SP test, although it was 2 1/2 years a
go, also, if you have a air cooled 2 stroke, what do you hook the water tem
p, oil temp and oil pressure gauges to? Also, I don't believe lights are r
equired for dayVFR (only time a SP can fly anyway) sorry,... Jim Chuk A
vid MK IV Jabiru
PS congrats on passing the test!!
From: Sbennett3@aol.comDate: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:02:12 -0500Subject: Re: Kit
fox-List: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements??To: kitfox-list@matro
nics.com
If you are a sport pilot you need compass, volt meter,tach,asi,atimeter,el
t,oil pressure,oil temp,water temp,fuel guage,compass,strobe lights. I just
had a checkride yesterday and that was one of the questions... Oh ya, I t
ook it in my kitfox, and I passed... Steve Bennett
wasters of 2007.
_________________________________________________________________
Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120
07
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
John,
Yes, you are right. I got looking at it and the air from the turbo will take care
of any ice I may have. In fact, I am going to install an intercooler in the
induction line to cool the air a bit...don't know what I was thinking when
I made the previous post. According to the Europa flyers, the intercooler increases
the power of the engine slightly and is better on the engine.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149968#149968
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
Thanks Jim on the congrats... The books that I studied were gleim and you
know that you need to be category and type specific. If you're flying a
different configuration then I'm sure that changes the answer. When the examiner
asked the question, I just pictured my panel. As far as the strobes, I saw it
in my book, but I didn't read this from the pts.
Steve Bennett
**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
Your memory is better than mine, Jim, and I took the test a year
ago. : ) As I recall, you need an oil temp for an air cooled engine,
or water temp for a water cooled engine, no strobe (optional),
magnetic compass, air speed indicator, altimeter, tach, oil pressure,
and a fuel gauge for each tank.
I can't find my info right now, or locate my FAR Part 9, Section
91.33, or my Advisory Circular AC 20-27A, so I can't verify.....no, I
didn't pull these numbers out of my head, but from Tony Bingelis's
"The Sportplane Builder", and that's a few years old by now and
certainly written before the Sport Pilot rule came into effect, but I
think it still applies.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/440+ hrs
do not archive
On Dec 1, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> I don't remember that question on my SP test, although it was 2 1/2
> years ago, also, if you have a air cooled 2 stroke, what do you
> hook the water temp, oil temp and oil pressure gauges to? Also, I
> don't believe lights are required for dayVFR (only time a SP can
> fly anyway) sorry,... Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Jabiru
> PS congrats on passing the test!!
>
>
> From: Sbennett3@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:02:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements??
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> If you are a sport pilot you need compass, volt
> meter,tach,asi,atimeter,elt,oil pressure,oil temp,water temp,fuel
> guage,compass,strobe lights. I just had a checkride yesterday and
> that was one of the questions... Oh ya, I took it in my kitfox,
> and I passed... Steve Bennett
>
>
> .com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001
> href="http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?
> NCID=aoltop00030000000001" target=_blank>hottest products and top
> money wasters of 2007.
> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributionarget=_blank>http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp://forums.matronics.com
> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Connect now!_-
> ============================================================ _-
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
> ============================================================ _-
> forums.matronics.com_-
> ===========================================================
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Luis,
Yes, I know I answered my own question. Sorry for causing you some
confusion.
And Lowell is also right about losing some power with the carb heat on. I
agree you should lose power when turning on carb heat. I'm guessing my
friend is either too new to his airplane to really notice it, or he is so
tickled pink with all the power his Kitfox has that he doesn't miss a few
hundred rpms when flying. Whatever the case, I know he has plenty of power
with the carb heat on, so he's most likely going to keep flying it that way
on days when carb ice is likely.
Like Lowell also said, most that have removed their carb heat kit (or choose
not to add one) do so because they want full power from the engine. I was
one of those that chose to remove mine in favor of more power/rpms. Given
my druthers I'd have carb heat I could turn if ever needed. But I didn't
like the setup that came with my airplane. So in the meantime I will
continue to fly without carb heat. But I will definitely keep my eyes and
ears open for a better solution should one come along.
Paul Seehafer
Model IV-1200 912ul amphib
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
>
> Paul,
>
> Didn't you answered your own question with the rest of your post? ie: Your
> friend has experienced carb ice because he has carb heat box. You've not
> experience carb ice but how do you know that it isn't just because you
> don't have the same setup? So is it true as Lowel suggested that no one on
> this list that does not have a carb heat box has ever experience carb ice?
> That would be kind of compelling.
>
>
>> I have a 912ul in a Model IV Kitfox that I've put about 300 hours on thus
>> far and not ever have I experienced carb ice problems. But a friend of
>> mine with a very similar kitfox two hangars down from me has experienced
>> it a few times already in less than 50 hours of flying. (Wisconsin has
>> great weather for carb ice fwiw) So why would he have the problem when I
>> don't?
>
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149940#149940
>
>
>
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements?? |
Of all of us here, I think the responce from Joe Norris with the EAA was th
e correct one. I was just skimming through my ASA test prep book and I did
n't see any mention of instruments required. I've also had inspections of
both of my Avids by the FAA and neither time did they look to see what inst
ruments I had, only if they had yellow, green and red zones. Also Lynn,
I never got to mention to you that I liked your article in the sport pilot
magazine. Funny, but I know the guy that flew the Airbike to Oshgosh also
from my time when I had the Himax and was a regular on the Team aircraft s
ite. Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Jab> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox
-List: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements??> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007
22:44:30 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message po
sted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > Your memory is better than min
e, Jim, and I took the test a year > ago. : ) As I recall, you need an oil
temp for an air cooled engine, > or water temp for a water cooled engine, n
o strobe (optional), > magnetic compass, air speed indicator, altimeter, ta
ch, oil pressure, > and a fuel gauge for each tank.> I can't find my info r
ight now, or locate my FAR Part 9, Section > 91.33, or my Advisory Circular
AC 20-27A, so I can't verify.....no, I > didn't pull these numbers out of
my head, but from Tony Bingelis's > "The Sportplane Builder", and that's a
few years old by now and > certainly written before the Sport Pilot rule ca
me into effect, but I > think it still applies.> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lak
e, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/440+ hrs> do not a
rchive> > > On Dec 1, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:> > > I don
't remember that question on my SP test, although it was 2 1/2 > > years ag
o, also, if you have a air cooled 2 stroke, what do you > > hook the water
temp, oil temp and oil pressure gauges to? Also, I > > don't believe lights
are required for dayVFR (only time a SP can > > fly anyway) sorry,... Jim
Chuk Avid MK IV Jabiru> > PS congrats on passing the test!!> >> >> > From:
Sbennett3@aol.com> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:02:12 -0500> > Subject: Re: K
itfox-List: Minimum VFR flight instrument requirements??> > To: kitfox-list
@matronics.com> >> > If you are a sport pilot you need compass, volt > > me
ter,tach,asi,atimeter,elt,oil pressure,oil temp,water temp,fuel > > guage,c
ompass,strobe lights. I just had a checkride yesterday and > > that was one
of the questions... Oh ya, I took it in my kitfox, > > and I passed... Ste
ve Bennett> >> >> >> > .com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000
000001 > > href="http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > > NCID
=aoltop00030000000001" target=_blank>hottest products and top > > money
wasters of 2007.> > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributionarget=_bl
ank>http:// > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp://forums.matronics
.com> > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Connect now!_- > >
========================
=========== _- > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator
?Kitfox-List_- > > ==================
================= _- > > forums.matronics
.com_- > > =====================
-========================
=================> > >
_________________________________________________________________
Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE
!
http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_1120
07
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Darin,
Adding an intercooler would be a bunch of work but would increase the life
of the 914. Another thing you can do for comfort is to install a radiator
and oil cooler louver control system made by one of our listers. I am going
to order one set this week for my fox. I am hoping he is still making them.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat
John,
Yes, you are right. I got looking at it and the air from the turbo will
take care of any ice I may have. In fact, I am going to install an
intercooler in the induction line to cool the air a bit...don't know what I
was thinking when I made the previous post. According to the Europa flyers,
the intercooler increases the power of the engine slightly and is better on
the engine.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149968#149968
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 8 inch wheels |
Chris,
I believe Matco now has 8" wheels. Contact them.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Skies" <chris@southernskies.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 8 inch wheels
> <chris@southernskies.net>
>
> New to this list, please excuse if topic came up before.
>
> I have the 6 inch Matco Wheels/Brakes on my model 3 and also have a set of
> new "Tundra" 8 inch ATV tires (slick, big and fat).
>
> I would like to switch to these big fat tires since my field is very
> rough.
>
> Obviously, 8 inch wheels won't fit on the 6 inch Matco wheels, so my
> question is: What wheels do I need to get and what else do I need to
> change, if any?
> Will my existing brakes work?
>
> I heard something about ATV wheels but I don't have a clue as to what
> exact model to look at and how to make it work with my existing landing
> gear/axle/brakes (have the Grove Aluminum Gear).
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 912 Instruments for sale. |
All brand new in the box taken out for accept for pictures. You will need to
give me you e-mail address for a couple of pictures as I have not figured out
how to reduce pixels with Verizon e-mail. I decided to go with all glass and a
couple small instruments as a back up.
I would like to sell all to one person who needs it all, but will consider separating.
Instruments: cheapest in aircraft spruce actual
cost of my instrument
3 1/8"
Airspeed to 160 MPH 118.00 USDA 129.0.00
altimeter 20,000 ft w/ window 230.00 230.00
vertical speed indicator 115.00
130.00
quad Gage 435.00 + sending units 430.00
(includes oil temp &
(oil temp and oil pressure / GET and CHET) oil pressure)
(need GET/CHET)
2.25"
Dual gages 120.00
120.00
(amp/volts) no sending units
includes sending units
Compass 70.00
80.00
(cowl mount) (top of dash)
from Rotax - 912 Tachometer N/A
220.00
912 Tachometer 112.00 no color coded background
_________
_________
$ 1,200.00
$ 1,339.00
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Lowell,
I wonder if you still have the radiator and oil cooler louver systems
available. If so I would like to buy both.
John oakley
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|