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1. 04:24 AM - Protecting a plane while transporting... (fox5flyer)
2. 04:35 AM - Re: Build time? (jlfernan)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Build time? (wingnut)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/19/07 (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: Build time? (Lynn Matteson)
7. 06:16 AM - Re: Build time? (jlfernan)
8. 06:37 AM - Re: engine selection (Lynn Matteson)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Protecting a plane while transporting... (Noel Loveys)
10. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/19/07 (Paul Morel)
11. 09:34 AM - Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
14. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
15. 09:54 AM - Re: Battery Location (dave)
16. 10:06 AM - Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
17. 10:08 AM - Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
18. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
19. 10:21 AM - Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
20. 10:30 AM - Re: Simply the best engines to use (jason Parker)
21. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
22. 10:43 AM - Re: Protecting a plane while transporting... (Bob Jones)
23. 10:57 AM - Re: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: Protecting a plane while transporting... (floran higgins)
25. 12:17 PM - Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
26. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
27. 12:56 PM - Re: Build time? (wingnut)
28. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Battery Location (fox5flyer)
29. 01:58 PM - Re: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
30. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (steve eccles)
31. 04:34 PM - Build time? (Dee Young)
32. 05:04 PM - Re: Simply the best engines to use (JC Propeller Design)
33. 05:06 PM - Re: Protecting a plane while transporting... (akflyer)
34. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
35. 05:37 PM - Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
36. 05:58 PM - Re: Build time? (W Duke)
37. 06:01 PM - Re: Simply the best engines to use (akflyer)
38. 07:35 PM - Re: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
39. 08:01 PM - Re: Build time? (CDE2fly@aol.com)
40. 08:26 PM - Re: Battery Location (dave)
41. 09:27 PM - Re: Battery Location (84KF)
42. 09:36 PM - Re: Battery Location (84KF)
43. 09:42 PM - Re: Battery Location (84KF)
44. 09:50 PM - Re: Battery Location (84KF)
45. 11:49 PM - Re: Simply the best engines to use (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Protecting a plane while transporting... |
There was a guy who arrived at Oshkosh with a crushed Kitfox on a trailer.
He did exactly what you are suggesting. The heat of the sun shrank the
wrap. When I was looking at the mess and wondering what happened, he walked
up, told me the story, and tried to sell it to me.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"Nothing will ever be attempted, if all possible objections must first be
overcome".- Samuel Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Zeppin" <rzeppin@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Protecting a plane while transporting...
>
> Another idea would be to use the wrap that's used on shipping pallets.
> It's like saran wrap, but quite a bit thicker. Sticks to itself really
> well, but not too much else.
> You can get it in 14-16" widths I believe and you'd just wrap the plane up
> like a monster loaf of bread or the like. No need to heat shrink.
>
> Ron
> Tempe, AZ
> Dreaming of Flying at the moment!
>
>
> floran higgins wrote:
>> I used a heat shrink plastic that boat dealers use to cover boats with
>> when they ship them. It worked fine.
>> Floran Higgins
>> Helena, Mt.
>> Speedster
>> 912 ULS
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* riquenkelly@aol.com <mailto:riquenkelly@aol.com>
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 7:30 PM
>> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/19/07
>>
>> Listers,
>> I have a classic 4 and am approaching a move for my work. I
>> have a long way to go and intend to trailer the airplane. Has
>> anyone tried to design a cover to protect the inside of the
>> aircraft while riding on a trailer? The area vacated when the
>> turtledeck is removed is exposed to the open air when folded. Any
>> experience with this???
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rique
>> Classic 4
>>
>> *
>> *
>
>
>
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[/quote]
Huh. That's easy. It's twice as long as whatever you think it is.[/quote]
That's exactly what happened to me, which is why I'm here. I originally wanted
a Kitfox but just when I was ready to order, the company went out of business.
I ended up by a Vans RV-9A kit, have spent two years working and am about a
third of the way thru. I'm selling it and am coming back to Kitfox. Vans quotes
1200-1500 on thier QB kits which is why I was asking. By the way, any builders
or flyers in S.Fla?
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Jorge Fernandez
N214JL Reserved
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> That's exactly what happened to me, which is why I'm here. I originally wanted
a Kitfox but just when I was ready to order, the company went out of business.
I ended up by a Vans RV-9A kit, have spent two years working and am about a
third of the way thru.
Any idea how many hours you've been working on it?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
I guess this proves once and for all that the Jabiru is lighter....my
battery is on the firewall, engine side. (tongue firmly in cheek)
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
do not archive
On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Based on the published info, the 912 weighs at least 25# more than
> the 582. Thus the rearward battery placement. I have mine on the
> firewall, cabin side. I'd say your guess is right on.
>
> Pat Reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3 that had a 912 engine and 2
> @13 gallon wing tanks. At least I think they are 13 gals as that is
> the only wing tank option I am familiar with. The fuel header tank
> is about 18 inches behind the seat back.The battery was installed
> about 2 feet behind the seat back on the fusalage. I am installing
> a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I move the battery to the back
> of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine batteryBe a
> better friend, newshound, and_-
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/19/07 |
When I had to move my plane on a trailer for the weight check (20
miles each way), I taped plastic sheeting over the area...it was
raining...and it worked well. It sounds like you have much further to
go, so I'd really cross-tape the plastic film in place if you decide
to do this.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
do not archive
On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:30 PM, riquenkelly@aol.com wrote:
> Listers,
> I have a classic 4 and am approaching a move for my work. I
> have a long way to go and intend to trailer the airplane. Has
> anyone tried to design a cover to protect the inside of the
> aircraft while riding on a trailer? The area vacated when the
> turtledeck is removed is exposed to the open air when folded. Any
> experience with this???
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rique
> Classic 4
> 582
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Retired builder here...19 months...6-8 hrs daily, but not every day.
Wings were "quick-build" kit.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:24 PM, jlfernan wrote:
>
> Just started lurking here. I'm going to be going to the factory
> for a tour and possible order a Super Sport. One question I have
> is what is the approx. build time on Kit Foxes?
>
> --------
> Jorge Fernandez
> N214JL Reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158181#158181
>
>
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Added it up this morning. 545.2 hrs so far, no end in sight.
--------
Jorge Fernandez
N214JL Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: engine selection |
Similar reply to Michel's....I used the Jabiru-supplied spinner, the
Skyfox cowl (Aussie knockoff of the Kitfox, I'm told, bought through
Jabiru USA, but needing extensive fiberglas modifications to fit),
the jabiru cooling ducts (fiberglas), and followed the Jabiru
instructions (such as they were) for the installation. I might be a
bit more of an engine person than Michel, but in the end we both have
very flyable planes. Hey Michel, we ought to figure out the distances
we've flown these birds. : ) Of course, Stan out in Colorado has us
all beat with his 49-state flights.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 15, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>> Michel:
>> One other point on the cooling. With an air cooled engine, even
>> an engine
>> which has only air cooled barrels the size and shape of the
>> spinner can make
>> a considerable difference to your air cooling efficiency.
>
> Very good point, Noel, and thank you for reminding me that: Yes, I
> use a Jabiru spinner. As I said earlier; I am not in the business
> of experimental aviation; I only want to be up there - it's a magic
> force that makes me cry when I am on the ground and see a perfect
> flying day's sky calling me: "Come and play in my clouds! See the
> world from above ... "
> ... okay, I am loosing the thread here; what I meant to say is
> that, if you want to install safe, install as the Aussies meant it
> should be: the propeller, the spinner, the little bolt that you
> don't know what it is used for - everything - is part of the
> propulsion unit. Use it! Some intelligent people have designed it
> for you!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Protecting a plane while transporting... |
Be careful when using either heat shrink or cling wrap. One layer won't do
too anything but several layers stretched around the plane add together and
can do damage to the plane itself... something like tightening the skins too
much.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Zeppin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Protecting a plane while transporting...
Another idea would be to use the wrap that's used on shipping pallets.
It's like saran wrap, but quite a bit thicker. Sticks to itself really
well, but not too much else.
You can get it in 14-16" widths I believe and you'd just wrap the plane
up like a monster loaf of bread or the like. No need to heat shrink.
Ron
Tempe, AZ
Dreaming of Flying at the moment!
floran higgins wrote:
> I used a heat shrink plastic that boat dealers use to cover boats with
> when they ship them. It worked fine.
>
> Floran Higgins
> Helena, Mt.
> Speedster
> 912 ULS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* riquenkelly@aol.com <mailto:riquenkelly@aol.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 7:30 PM
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/19/07
>
> Listers,
> I have a classic 4 and am approaching a move for my work. I
> have a long way to go and intend to trailer the airplane. Has
> anyone tried to design a cover to protect the inside of the
> aircraft while riding on a trailer? The area vacated when the
> turtledeck is removed is exposed to the open air when folded. Any
> experience with this???
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rique
> Classic 4
>
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/19/07 |
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| Subject: | Battery Location |
Lynn, Looks like you are one of the most experienced Kitfoxers on this site
. One more question on this mod 3 rebuild. There is a tube running to the r
ear of the fusalage to a static port. It is a few inches forward of the gra
b handle on the back of the fusalage. I will leave it there, but is it nece
ssary or more accurate located back there. I think it was hooked up to the
altimiter. > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Loca
tion> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:02:56 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
guess this proves once and for all that the Jabiru is lighter....my > batt
ery is on the firewall, engine side. (tongue firmly in cheek)> > Lynn Matte
son> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/460+
hrs> do not archive> > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> > > Based on the published info, the 912 weighs at least 25# more than >
> the 582. Thus the rearward battery placement. I have mine on the > > fire
wall, cabin side. I'd say your guess is right on.> >> > Pat Reilly <patreil
ly43@hotmail.com> wrote:> > Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3 that had a
912 engine and 2 > > @13 gallon wing tanks. At least I think they are 13 g
als as that is > > the only wing tank option I am familiar with. The fuel h
eader tank > > is about 18 inches behind the seat back.The battery was inst
alled > > about 2 feet behind the seat back on the fusalage. I am installin
g > > a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I move the battery to the back >
> of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine batteryBe a > > better
friend, newshound, and_- > > ===============
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| Subject: | Battery Location |
Noel, Thanks for the advice. I will get the weight and balance of the plane
after rebuilding it. I know there are others on this site that have experi
ence with this exact circumstance and wanted to make necessary changes befo
re recovering. It's much easier. Pat Reilly
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:13:45 -0330
With something as major as an engine replacement I would install the new en
gine and reweigh the plane then make appropriate changes as necessary.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat ReillySent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:0
3 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3 that had a 912 engine and 2 @13 gallon
wing tanks. At least I think they are 13 gals as that is the only wing tan
k option I am familiar with. The fuel header tank is about 18 inches behind
the seat back.The battery was installed about 2 feet behind the seat back
on the fusalage. I am installing a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I move
the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine
battery installations?
Pat Reilly
Rockford, Illinois
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.co
mhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Dave thanks for the advice. I wondered if some 582's used the battery locat
ion behind the seat. Maybe I will wait to remount the battery. Pat Reilly>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location> From: dave@cfisher.com> Date:
Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:13:35 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfo
x-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>> > Yup , i would wait t
ill you all done the do the w & B.> > my IV model with 582 has the battery
behind the seat.> > --------> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada> Flying Videos a
nd Kitfox Info> http://www.cfisher.com/> > > > > Read this topic online her
e:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158205#158205> > > > >
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==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it wi
ll have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to reposi
tion it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List
: Re: Battery Location> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 1
8:44:17 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message pos
ted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > > > My question is, should I m
ove the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 eng
ine battery installations? > > > Pat, I would leave the battery where it is
until the rebuild is complete enough to do a close weight and balance. The
n you can move the battery forward if needed and you will be able to know h
ow far. It will probably be easier to remove the existing cables at that ti
me than to reinstall them if you need the CG to move back.> > --------> Tom
Jones> Classic IV, Phase one> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensbur
g, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/
================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Pat, I could check the builders manual if you like.
I also have put 6 gals gas cans behind the seat on skis.
I have put in excess of 50 lbs in sack behind seat while on floats
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Battery Location |
Guy, Thanks for the advice on battery placement. Pat Reilly Rockford IL
@nethere.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery LocationAt 04:33 PM 1/14/2008
, you wrote:
My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall, wher
e I see some other 582 engine battery installations? You already
know the right way. But I'll add that my 582/IV has the battery just behin
d the firewall and its CG is "too far" aft, which means I can't run 40 poun
ds in my baggage compartment at full gross without going aft of the rear CG
limit.
Guy BuchananSan Diego, CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostl
y to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Battery Location |
Plan to loose assemble to do your W&B. Then you can make the right decision
where to place the battery before running any cable.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
Noel, Thanks for the advice. I will get the weight and balance of the plane
after rebuilding it. I know there are others on this site that have
experience with this exact circumstance and wanted to make necessary changes
before recovering. It's much easier. Pat Reilly
_____
From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
With something as major as an engine replacement I would install the new
engine and reweigh the plane then make appropriate changes as necessary.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3 that had a 912 engine and 2 @13 gallon
wing tanks. At least I think they are 13 gals as that is the only wing tank
option I am familiar with. The fuel header tank is about 18 inches behind
the seat back.The battery was installed about 2 feet behind the seat back on
the fusalage. I am installing a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I move the
battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine
battery installations?
Pat Reilly
Rockford, Illinois
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Pat
I'm going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I'm
considering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then
putting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel.
I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for
cleaning. BTW you don't happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it
will have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to
reposition it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:17 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall,
where I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
>
> Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is complete
enough to do a close weight and balance. Then you can move the battery
forward if needed and you will be able to know how far. It will probably be
easier to remove the existing cables at that time than to reinstall them if
you need the CG to move back.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ================
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Noel, Thanks. Good advice to loose assemble. Will do. Pat Reilly
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:37:23 -0330
Plan to loose assemble to do your W&B. Then you can make the right decisio
n where to place the battery before running any cable.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 15, 200
8 2:12 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery Loc
ation
Noel, Thanks for the advice. I will get the weight and balance of the plane
after rebuilding it. I know there are others on this site that have experi
ence with this exact circumstance and wanted to make necessary changes befo
re recovering. It's much easier. Pat Reilly
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:13:45 -0330
With something as major as an engine replacement I would install the new en
gine and reweigh the plane then make appropriate changes as necessary.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat ReillySent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:0
3 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3 that had a 912 engine and 2 @13 gallon
wing tanks. At least I think they are 13 gals as that is the only wing tan
k option I am familiar with. The fuel header tank is about 18 inches behind
the seat back.The battery was installed about 2 feet behind the seat back
on the fusalage. I am installing a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I move
the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine
battery installations?
Pat Reilly
Rockford, Illinois
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| Subject: | Re: Simply the best engines to use |
The rotax 912 engine has a track record which spans 18 years and still they are
coming out with new CB's. My point is, it takes alot of hours to see what is
going to fail in the air and what is going to work. Some engines that work great
on the ground, dont due to well in the air. The power to weight ratio of the
rotax is outstanding. The build in gear reduction and watercooled heads make
the rotax 912's and 914's a very remarkable engine. Find me more than 10 people
with a CZ PSRU, or BMW/PSRU with more than a few hundred hours. I can show
you a list of people with stock 912's and 914's with 4000hours plus. The only
other engine I stand by is the Subaru.
Jason
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} There is a big world outside America, can't be more difficult
for American to buy from Europe then for us to buy from USA.
If I understand it right there is no import fee in USA for aircraft spare part?
My Polish friend recommend the CZ PSRU, after have installed 35 of them with
different PSRU's, there is Polish and German built too.
There is complete German BMW/PSRU for sale for 7000Euro/10300$US but why pay
that much?
Or 15-20K for a ROTAX
if saving 10.000 USD you can buy a lot of gas for that, and a new GPS, and a
single malt for the wife. (they usually don't like it, so you "have to" drink
it)
And the best is this is real HP's not like Continental where you get about 80-85
HP netto from a O-200 with silencer and alternator
The Polish friend just ask for 85 HP at 6200 RPM (98HP / 7200) with a 2,35 gear
ratio, driving a 69"X39" prop, he don't have ground clearance for bigger prop,
but there is other gear ratio too.
He use 10-11 liter/h (2,6-3 GPH)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
Who does??? (Sell them) I looked and couldnt find any one. Also finding
a used BMW here is like looking for hens teeth.
Noel
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
Or you can have a BMW 1100 S 98 HP at just 3000USD complete with PSRU
and electronic fuel injection.
Jan
Ps, and I don't even sell them.
----- Original Message -----
From: jason Parker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
www.experimentalfuelinjection offers fuel injected engines 914's starting at 15000USD and kit for fuel injection starting at 4500. We offer Fuel injection done right. Standard equipment is a wideband 02 sensor and a 55 amp alternator.
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Noel, Sorry, no, I do not have the 912 exhaust. I got this plane without th
e engine. I have the complete 912 engine mount and the firewall grommet doo
r, however. What are you doing with your 582 firewall forward? Where are yo
u located? Pat
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:42:20 -0330
Pat
I=92m going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I=92m co
nsidering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then p
utting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel.
I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for cleanin
g. BTW you don=92t happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 15, 200
8 2:21 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery
Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it wi
ll have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to reposi
tion it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List
: Re: Battery Location> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 1
8:44:17 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message pos
ted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > > > My question is, should I m
ove the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 eng
ine battery installations? > > > Pat, I would leave the battery where it is
until the rebuild is complete enough to do a close weight and balance. The
n you can move the battery forward if needed and you will be able to know h
ow far. It will probably be easier to remove the existing cables at that ti
me than to reinstall them if you need the CG to move back.> > --------> Tom
Jones> Classic IV, Phase one> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensbur
g, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Protecting a plane while transporting... |
If you have the flexibility to tow only in good weather, consider
covering the fox overnight and during times of rain with a tarp made of
soft "breathable" car cover material. I would not want to tow at road
speeds with this setup.
I had a local boat canvas shop order some of the breathable material,
sew a hem around the edge and install some gromets so I can hold the
cover in place with lite bungees.
(There are multiple grades and manufacturers of waterproof but soft
breathable material and the cost per linear foot or square yard varies
quite a bit). ( The first boat canvas shop wanted to double the LIST
price and shipping of the material to do the job which is a normal
practice for custom work. However, sewing a hem around the edge of a
rectangular tarp and installing gromets is much less labor intensive
than most custom boat canvas work and a second shop gave me a much more
reasonable price so be prepared to negotiate a bit if you go this
route.)
I use this cover frequently when I want to leave the plane outside with
the wings folded as well as when I leave the plane in a farm shed where
bird droppings are a real problem. Bottom line is the cover has been
very useful to me.
(As an aside I hanger my model IV in an enclosed car trailer at our
house in the Florida Keys to keep the fox out of the horribly corrosive
salt air environment. I have towed the plane with the wings folded
within the car trailer all over the country on fly-drive trips covering
easily over 20,000 miles without damaging the plane. What a hoot!)
BJ
N154K
N626NR
bjones@dmv.com
443-480-1023
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Protecting a plane while transporting...
Be careful when using either heat shrink or cling wrap. One layer
won't do too anything but several layers stretched around the plane add
together and can do damage to the plane itself... something like
tightening the skins too much.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Zeppin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:54 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Protecting a plane while transporting...
Another idea would be to use the wrap that's used on shipping
pallets.
It's like saran wrap, but quite a bit thicker. Sticks to itself really
well, but not too much else.
You can get it in 14-16" widths I believe and you'd just wrap the
plane
up like a monster loaf of bread or the like. No need to heat shrink.
Ron
Tempe, AZ
Dreaming of Flying at the moment!
floran higgins wrote:
> I used a heat shrink plastic that boat dealers use to cover boats
with
> when they ship them. It worked fine.
>
> Floran Higgins
> Helena, Mt.
> Speedster
> 912 ULS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* riquenkelly@aol.com <mailto:riquenkelly@aol.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 7:30 PM
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs -
12/19/07
>
> Listers,
> I have a classic 4 and am approaching a move for my work. I
> have a long way to go and intend to trailer the airplane. Has
> anyone tried to design a cover to protect the inside of the
> aircraft while riding on a trailer? The area vacated when the
> turtledeck is removed is exposed to the open air when folded.
Any
> experience with this???
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rique
> Classic 4
>
> *
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We are all in a heap of trouble if I am! : ) No, there are FAR more
experienced than me in this group...I'm just one of the mouthy ones,
and I can't even take credit for that...they know who they are. : )
The static port has a specific location spelled out in the build
instructions. The original Kitfox kit builders did a lot of testing,
I'm told, to determine an area that was neutral to the airstream, and
thus a good location for the static port which should be
"static"...that is, "standing still, having no motion, quiescent." I
think it should be used as suggested. I also made another location,
directly across the fuse from the originally suggested location, to
avoid any discrepancies in airspeed when slipping the aircraft. I
hope yours is on the side of the fuselage, and not "on the back" as
you describe it. Maybe somebody has their builders instructions
closer than mine, and can answer this positioning question for you.
Mine's at the hangar, where I'm going pretty soon to make some marks
in the new snow. I'll look it up while there.
After I wrote the word "quiescent" I knew it was time to head for the
hangar and blow out the cobwebs...quiescent? Where in the world did
that come from? : ) ( I had to look up "static" and came upon
it...anybody that knows me knows damn well that I don't know that word.)
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 15, 2008, at 12:33 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Looks like you are one of the most experienced Kitfoxers on
> this site. One more question on this mod 3 rebuild. There is a tube
> running to the rear of the fusalage to a static port. It is a few
> inches forward of the grab handle on the back of the fusalage. I
> will leave it there, but is it necessary or more accurate located
> back there. I think it was hooked up to the altimiter.
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
> > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:02:56 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I guess this proves once and for all that the Jabiru is
> lighter....my
> > battery is on the firewall, engine side. (tongue firmly in cheek)
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/460+ hrs
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> >
> > > Based on the published info, the 912 weighs at least 25# more than
> > > the 582. Thus the rearward battery placement. I have mine on the
> > > firewall, cabin side. I'd say your guess is right on.
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3 that had a 912 engine and 2
> > > @13 gallon wing tanks. At least I think they are 13 gals as
> that is
> > > the only wing tank option I am familiar with. The fuel header tank
> > > is about 18 inches behind the seat back.The battery was installed
> > > about 2 feet behind the seat back on the fusalage. I am installing
> > > a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I move the battery to the back
> > > of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine batteryBe a
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| Subject: | Re: Protecting a plane while transporting... |
The type of heat shrink that I used was cut to fit around the windshield
and windows and the opening of the turtle deck.
It was held on with a tape that was provided by the boat dealer. This
tape would pull loose before the plastic could cause any damage.
I trailered the airplane from California to Montana without any damage
but it was in the wintertime during a snowstorm so I didn't have to
worry about the effect of the sun.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Protecting a plane while transporting...
Be careful when using either heat shrink or cling wrap. One layer
won't do too anything but several layers stretched around the plane add
together and can do damage to the plane itself... something like
tightening the skins too much.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Zeppin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:54 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Protecting a plane while transporting...
Another idea would be to use the wrap that's used on shipping
pallets.
It's like saran wrap, but quite a bit thicker. Sticks to itself really
well, but not too much else.
You can get it in 14-16" widths I believe and you'd just wrap the
plane
up like a monster loaf of bread or the like. No need to heat shrink.
Ron
Tempe, AZ
Dreaming of Flying at the moment!
floran higgins wrote:
> I used a heat shrink plastic that boat dealers use to cover boats
with
> when they ship them. It worked fine.
>
> Floran Higgins
> Helena, Mt.
> Speedster
> 912 ULS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* riquenkelly@aol.com <mailto:riquenkelly@aol.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 7:30 PM
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs -
12/19/07
>
> Listers,
> I have a classic 4 and am approaching a move for my work. I
> have a long way to go and intend to trailer the airplane. Has
> anyone tried to design a cover to protect the inside of the
> aircraft while riding on a trailer? The area vacated when the
> turtledeck is removed is exposed to the open air when folded.
Any
> experience with this???
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rique
> Classic 4
>
> *
> *
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Lynn, THE STATIC PORT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE FUSALAGE JUST IN FRONT OF THE
GRAB HANDLE. Looks like I hit the caps lock. Did you join the 2 ports, righ
t side and left side with a tee? Pat> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re:
Kitfox-List: Battery Location> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:56:39 -0500> To:
on <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > We are all in a heap of trouble if I am! : ) No, t
here are FAR more > experienced than me in this group...I'm just one of the
mouthy ones, > and I can't even take credit for that...they know who they
are. : )> The static port has a specific location spelled out in the build
> instructions. The original Kitfox kit builders did a lot of testing, > I'
m told, to determine an area that was neutral to the airstream, and > thus
a good location for the static port which should be > "static"...that is, "
standing still, having no motion, quiescent." I > think it should be used a
s suggested. I also made another location, > directly across the fuse from
the originally suggested location, to > avoid any discrepancies in airspeed
when slipping the aircraft. I > hope yours is on the side of the fuselage,
and not "on the back" as > you describe it. Maybe somebody has their build
ers instructions > closer than mine, and can answer this positioning questi
on for you. > Mine's at the hangar, where I'm going pretty soon to make som
e marks > in the new snow. I'll look it up while there.> > After I wrote th
e word "quiescent" I knew it was time to head for the > hangar and blow out
the cobwebs...quiescent? Where in the world did > that come from? : ) ( I
had to look up "static" and came upon > it...anybody that knows me knows da
mn well that I don't know that word.)> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michiga
n> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/460+ hrs> > > On Jan 15, 200
8, at 12:33 PM, patrick reilly wrote:> > > Lynn, Looks like you are one of
the most experienced Kitfoxers on > > this site. One more question on this
mod 3 rebuild. There is a tube > > running to the rear of the fusalage to a
static port. It is a few > > inches forward of the grab handle on the back
of the fusalage. I > > will leave it there, but is it necessary or more ac
curate located > > back there. I think it was hooked up to the altimiter.>
>> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Locati
on> > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:02:56 -0500> > > To: kitfox-list@matronic
jps.net>> > >> > > I guess this proves once and for all that the Jabiru is
> > lighter....my> > > battery is on the firewall, engine side. (tongue fir
mly in cheek)> > >> > > Lynn Matteson> > > Grass Lake, Michigan> > > Kitfox
IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> > > flying w/460+ hrs> > > do not archive> > >
> > >> > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:> > >> > > > Ba
sed on the published info, the 912 weighs at least 25# more than> > > > the
582. Thus the rearward battery placement. I have mine on the> > > > firewa
ll, cabin side. I'd say your guess is right on.> > > >> > > > Pat Reilly <p
atreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Model 3
that had a 912 engine and 2> > > > @13 gallon wing tanks. At least I think
they are 13 gals as > > that is> > > > the only wing tank option I am famil
iar with. The fuel header tank> > > > is about 18 inches behind the seat ba
ck.The battery was installed> > > > about 2 feet behind the seat back on th
e fusalage. I am installing> > > > a 582 Rotax. My question is, should I mo
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I'm in Newfoundland, Canada... As close as you can get to Europe on this
continent without doing a lot of swimming. J
I'm going to hold on to the 582 until I get the 912 flying then it's up for
sale, lock stock and barrel.
What model Kitfox is your mount made to fit? That's the big part I need
now. My bolt pattern should be the same as the model II.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Noel, Sorry, no, I do not have the 912 exhaust. I got this plane without the
engine. I have the complete 912 engine mount and the firewall grommet door,
however. What are you doing with your 582 firewall forward? Where are you
located? Pat
_____
From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Pat
I'm going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I'm
considering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then
putting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel.
I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for
cleaning. BTW you don't happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it
will have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to
reposition it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:17 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall,
where I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
>
> Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is complete
enough to do a close weight and balance. Then you can move the battery
forward if needed and you will be able to know how far. It will probably be
easier to remove the existing cables at that time than to reinstall them if
you need the CG to move back.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194
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> Added it up this morning. 545.2 hrs so far, no end in sight.
If you're 1/3 of the way through with 545 hours then you're not really that far
off the high end of the factory estimate of 1500 hours. Am I misunderstanding
something?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Noel, there is a 912s exhaust on Barnstomers. I just saw it a couple
days ago. Search "Kitfox" and on page three you should run across it.
It seems a little pricey, but I don't know what they go for.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Pat
I'm going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I'm
considering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat.
Then putting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument
panel. I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location
for cleaning. BTW you don't happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick
reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:21 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure
it will have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait
to reposition it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:17 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the
firewall, where I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
>
> Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is
complete enough to do a close weight and balance. Then you can move the
battery forward if needed and you will be able to know how far. It will
probably be easier to remove the existing cables at that time than to
reinstall them if you need the CG to move back.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194
>
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Yes I did, Pat. That was one of the few things that my tech advisor
caught me on...I didn't have a support for the "teed" junction, and I
had to get in there from an inspection hole in the bottom of the
fuse, and install one...what a bear! The tubing is so stiff that it
would likely hold itself in place, but he insisted on it. Perhaps
vibration over time could break the tubes, what do I know?
I couldn't find the drawing of the exact placement in my manual, but
I measured my plane and the dimensions are: 5 and 1/8 inches from
the bottom of the lower longeron, and 44 inches forward from the
center of the cross tube back near the tailwheel....I think it's the
only crosstube that is near there that protrudes through the fabric.
This does place the port just in front of the lift handle, but quite
low on the side. Is that where yours is?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:16 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, THE STATIC PORT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE FUSALAGE JUST IN FRONT
> OF THE GRAB HANDLE. Looks like I hit the caps lock. Did you join
> the 2 ports, right side and left side with a tee? Pat
>
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that last 5% is a kicker
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time?
> Added it up this morning. 545.2 hrs so far, no end in sight.
If you're 1/3 of the way through with 545 hours then you're not really that
far off the high end of the factory estimate of 1500 hours. Am I
misunderstanding something?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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It took me 18 months including many evenings and weekends to get it
done.
Dee Young
Model II
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----- Original Message -----
From: steve eccles<mailto:eccles@Chartermi.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time?
<eccles@chartermi.net<mailto:eccles@chartermi.net>>
that last 5% is a kicker
Steve
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:54 PM
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time?
<wingnut@spamarrest.com<mailto:wingnut@spamarrest.com>>
> Added it up this morning. 545.2 hrs so far, no end in sight.
If you're 1/3 of the way through with 545 hours then you're not really
that
far off the high end of the factory estimate of 1500 hours. Am I
misunderstanding something?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Simply the best engines to use |
Oh my ...
I didn't realize you are selling used engines, 12-17K each and no
guarantee. good deal!
I stay out of the CB's
Jan
Ps there is BMW with 3500 h, and you get 5 engines for 15K that's 17500
h :-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: jason Parker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
The rotax 912 engine has a track record which spans 18 years and still
they are coming out with new CB's. My point is, it takes alot of hours
to see what is going to fail in the air and what is going to work. Some
engines that work great on the ground, dont due to well in the air. The
power to weight ratio of the rotax is outstanding. The build in gear
reduction and watercooled heads make the rotax 912's and 914's a very
remarkable engine. Find me more than 10 people with a CZ PSRU, or
BMW/PSRU with more than a few hundred hours. I can show you a list of
people with stock 912's and 914's with 4000hours plus. The only other
engine I stand by is the Subaru.
Jason
JC Propeller Design <propellerdesign@tele2.se> wrote:
There is a big world outside America, can't be more difficult for
American to buy from Europe then for us to buy from USA.
If I understand it right there is no import fee in USA for aircraft
spare part?
My Polish friend recommend the CZ PSRU, after have installed 35 of
them with different PSRU's, there is Polish and German built too.
There is complete German BMW/PSRU for sale for 7000Euro/10300$US but
why pay that much?
Or 15-20K for a ROTAX
if saving 10.000 USD you can buy a lot of gas for that, and a new
GPS, and a single malt for the wife. (they usually don't like it, so you
"have to" drink it)
And the best is this is real HP's not like Continental where you get
about 80-85 HP netto from a O-200 with silencer and alternator
The Polish friend just ask for 85 HP at 6200 RPM (98HP / 7200) with
a 2,35 gear ratio, driving a 69"X39" prop, he don't have ground
clearance for bigger prop, but there is other gear ratio too.
He use 10-11 liter/h (2,6-3 GPH)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
Who does??? (Sell them) I looked and couldn't find any one. Also
finding a used BMW here is like looking for hen's teeth.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC
Propeller Design
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:19 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
Or you can have a BMW 1100 S 98 HP at just 3000USD complete with
PSRU and electronic fuel injection.
Jan
Ps, and I don't even sell them.
----- Original Message -----
From: jason Parker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Simply the best engines to use
www.experimentalfuelinjection offers fuel injected engines 914's
starting at 15000USD and kit for fuel injection starting at 4500. We
offer Fuel injection done right. Standard equipment is a wideband 02
sensor and a 55 amp alternator.
Jason Parker
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My brother towed his from OK to Alaska on an open car hauler that he put a vee
nose on. The plane made it here in one piece un-harmed. He drove through rain,
sleet, snow and sunshine. I promise you that the trip he made was much more
punishing than any county road or interstate.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Found it but it is for a pusher configuration.
Thanks keep your eyes open for me
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Noel, there is a 912s exhaust on Barnstomers. I just saw it a couple days
ago. Search "Kitfox" and on page three you should run across it. It seems
a little pricey, but I don't know what they go for.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Pat
I'm going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I'm
considering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then
putting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel.
I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for
cleaning. BTW you don't happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it
will have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to
reposition it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:17 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall,
where I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
>
> Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is complete
enough to do a close weight and balance. Then you can move the battery
forward if needed and you will be able to know how far. It will probably be
easier to remove the existing cables at that time than to reinstall them if
you need the CG to move back.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194
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With the tube going forward it can exert a considerable stress on the cross
tube. That in turn coulddamage your exterior finish. If the long tube ever
broke or came free it could possibly foul your rudder cables or elevator
tube.... Mr. Murphy is alive and well let's not tempt him :-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
Yes I did, Pat. That was one of the few things that my tech advisor
caught me on...I didn't have a support for the "teed" junction, and I
had to get in there from an inspection hole in the bottom of the
fuse, and install one...what a bear! The tubing is so stiff that it
would likely hold itself in place, but he insisted on it. Perhaps
vibration over time could break the tubes, what do I know?
I couldn't find the drawing of the exact placement in my manual, but
I measured my plane and the dimensions are: 5 and 1/8 inches from
the bottom of the lower longeron, and 44 inches forward from the
center of the cross tube back near the tailwheel....I think it's the
only crosstube that is near there that protrudes through the fabric.
This does place the port just in front of the lift handle, but quite
low on the side. Is that where yours is?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:16 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, THE STATIC PORT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE FUSALAGE JUST IN FRONT
> OF THE GRAB HANDLE. Looks like I hit the caps lock. Did you join
> the 2 ports, right side and left side with a tee? Pat
>
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2 and a half years with appr 1200 hours. S6/TD/IO240/IFR equipped/ 3 color paint.
Half of the hours were cover and paint. Beforehand I did not believe it
when everybody said covering was the the most satisfying. Now I agree.
Maxwell Duke
Just started lurking here. I'm going to be going to the factory for a tour and
possible order a Super Sport. One question I have is what is the approx. build
time on Kit Foxes?
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Jorge Fernandez
N214JL Reserved
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S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
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Jan,
Do you have a web site for the 98 hp? sounds like something I would be interested
in.
Thanks
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Huh? Are we talking about the same tube here, Noel? I was talking
about the 3/16" or 1/4" nylon tube that carries the static pressure.
In my case I had the two side static port tubes going into a tee,
and from there forward about 12" to a tie wrap around a fuselage
cross member. From there forward, the tubing was supported every 12"
or so with tie wraps done in the approved way...with standoffs. My
tech advisor wanted a bracket to support the tubes at the "tee." The
side tubes curved upwardly to the tee, thus there was some vibration
absorption going on via the curved tubing...nylon tubing. Are you
suggesting this nylon tubing is gonna foul my rudder cables or
elevator tube?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 15, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> With the tube going forward it can exert a considerable stress on
> the cross
> tube. That in turn coulddamage your exterior finish. If the long
> tube ever
> broke or came free it could possibly foul your rudder cables or
> elevator
> tube.... Mr. Murphy is alive and well let's not tempt him :-)
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:25 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
>
>
> Yes I did, Pat. That was one of the few things that my tech advisor
> caught me on...I didn't have a support for the "teed" junction, and I
> had to get in there from an inspection hole in the bottom of the
> fuse, and install one...what a bear! The tubing is so stiff that it
> would likely hold itself in place, but he insisted on it. Perhaps
> vibration over time could break the tubes, what do I know?
> I couldn't find the drawing of the exact placement in my manual, but
> I measured my plane and the dimensions are: 5 and 1/8 inches from
> the bottom of the lower longeron, and 44 inches forward from the
> center of the cross tube back near the tailwheel....I think it's the
> only crosstube that is near there that protrudes through the fabric.
> This does place the port just in front of the lift handle, but quite
> low on the side. Is that where yours is?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/460+ hrs
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:16 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
>> Lynn, THE STATIC PORT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE FUSALAGE JUST IN FRONT
>> OF THE GRAB HANDLE. Looks like I hit the caps lock. Did you join
>> the 2 ports, right side and left side with a tee? Pat
>>
>
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Jorge:
I'm nearing the completion of a Model 7 and estimate I have 100 hours left.
I purchased the kit from a meticulous builder that had 1200 hours of
construction documented when I purchased it. The kit included quick build wings
from the factory. The original builder was a retired engineer and I'm sure his
primary objective was not finishing as quickly as possible. When I purchased
the kit, most of the subassembly work was complete and control linkages were
installed. I've logged approximately 1000 hours over the last couple of
years completing covering and painting, fully upholstered interior, firewall
forward (factory supported 912S installation) and a fairly extensive glass
instrument panel.
A good portion of work I've done could have been completed in less time with
a very functional finished product. My covering has a 4 color aerothane
finish with LOTS of masking. Numerous parts have been painted numerous times
because I wasn't happy with the first (or second) finish (a run, a bug, some
dust, etc.). The instrument panel/electronics is far more extensive than
necessary for basic day VFR flight. All of these items take more time then
necessary but the beauty of building your own is that you get to balance the
time/money decisions to suit your objectives for the airplane and your intended
mission(s).
The other factor is obviously your level of experience in building
airplanes. This is my first though I've spent many years building and flying
model
airplanes competitively so many of tools and techniques were easily applied to
the Kitfox. However, many steps (i.e., rib stitching, panel wiring, and FWF)
were a "learn first, do second" process which certainly adds to the hours.
All in all, my estimates are as follows:
Basic well built airplane; quick build kit, little deviation from plans,
experienced builder (completed at least one airplane prior) - 1000 hours
Basic well built airplane; quick build kit, little deviation from plans,
first time builder - 1500 hours
Extensive paint and panel work can easily add a several hundred hours.
The good news is that I've thoroughly enjoyed building the Kitfox and we're
very fortunate to have the level of factory support that Kitfox Aircraft
provides. I've called the factory and chatted countless times and John and Deb
and they have ALWAYS been able to provide the part or advice I needed.
In the end, I will have acquired new skills, enjoyed many satisfying hours
building, met some great people, and have an airplane that is configured
exactly the way I want it to be. To me that's what homebuilding is all about.
Good luck with your decision.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
> At 04:33 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
> Quote:
> My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall, where
I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
> You already know the right way. But I'll add that my 582/IV has the battery just
behind the firewall and its CG is "too far" aft, which means I can't run 40
pounds in my baggage compartment at full gross without going aft of the rear
CG limit.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
Well, according to my manual for my Kitfox IV 1050 it states behind the seat is
where battery goes with the 582 and the dash fuel tank.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158466#158466
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
One can always rely on AC 43.13 2a for specific information, such as static
system installations.
Go to this FAA link
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/CONTENTS.pdf
and then go
* CHAPTER 12. AIRCRAFT AVIONICS SYSTEMS
SECTION 4. PITOT/STATIC SYSTEM
Steve Benesh
A&P, IA
84KF "5" \ 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
That should read:
AC 43.13 1b not AC 43.13 2a
Although...., in AC 43.13-2a you will also find battery installation
information
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/e533bb05389c90e486256a54006e47b2/$FILE/Contents.pdf
Chapter 10
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Correction:
The battery installation link has been revised
Use the link below to go to the page that includes Chapter 10.
On Jan 16, 2008 12:33 AM, 84KF <avidfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> That should read:
>
> AC 43.13 1b not AC 43.13 2a
>
> Although...., in AC 43.13-2a you will also find battery installation
> information
>
> http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/e533bb05389c90e486256a54006e47b2/$FILE/Chapter%209-13.pdf
>
> Chapter 10
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
And this link for the Static installation link...
AC 43.13 1B,
Chapter 12
SECTION 4. PITOT/STATIC SYSTEM
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2012-13.pdf
Hey. it's late. Forgive me.
I'm trying not to mention anything regarding LSA issues.
(Opps.., I did it again!!)
Steve Benesh
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| Subject: | Re: Simply the best engines to use |
Friends,
"Simply the best engine to use" is mine. That's what we all think.
Can't we, please, forget our tribal instincts and agree that - even if
we are so pleased with what we have - diversity is what we all gain
from at the end. Imagine there was only one manufacturer of light
aircraft engines. They wouldn't need to bother to stay competitive;
price would increase and quality become neglected.
Bottom line: Vive la difference! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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