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1. 11:58 AM - weight (Chenoweth)
2. 12:17 PM - Re: weight (mic thiessen)
3. 12:35 PM - Re: weight (Michel Verheughe)
4. 01:15 PM - Re: weight (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
5. 01:22 PM - Re: Kitfox engine for sale (C260B@aol.com)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: weight (Guy Buchanan)
7. 02:35 PM - Re: czech floats (Gregory Cronin)
8. 03:07 PM - Re: weight (Roger McConnell)
9. 04:10 PM - Re: weight (Chenoweth)
10. 04:13 PM - Re: weight (Chenoweth)
11. 04:16 PM - Re: weight (Chenoweth)
12. 04:18 PM - Re: weight (Chenoweth)
13. 04:35 PM - Re: weight (Noel Loveys)
14. 04:40 PM - Re: weight (Lynn Matteson)
15. 04:48 PM - Serial numbers (dwight purdy)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: Serial numbers (darinh)
17. 05:01 PM - Re: Builders (darinh)
18. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Serial numbers (RAY Gignac)
19. 06:34 PM - Re: Serial numbers (dwight purdy)
20. 06:49 PM - Re: Serial numbers (Dan Billingsley)
21. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Serial numbers (ron schick)
22. 06:59 PM - Re: Serial numbers (Tom Jones)
23. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Serial numbers (dwight purdy)
24. 07:37 PM - Re: weight (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
25. 07:40 PM - * 8th Annual Desert Fox Squadron Fly-In * (Michael Gibbs)
26. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Serial numbers (Lynn Matteson)
27. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: Serial numbers (Lynn Matteson)
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I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and we're
talking about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is that
he's 5'10" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the
biggest/heaviest passenger I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder
if anyone has had a similar experience. We would definitely not be
over-gross but I wonder about seat integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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Take the right side stick off and fly with doors open and you w
on't have a problem.
From: chenoweth@gwi.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: w
eightDate: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:24:04 -0500
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and we're tal
king about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is that he's 5'1
0" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the biggest/heaviest passenge
r I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder if anyone has had a similar
experience. We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat
integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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> From: Chenoweth [chenoweth@gwi.net]
> We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat integrity and
> control freedom.
Bill, the only thing I experience with heavy passenger and a hard langing in my
model 3 is that the passenger's door pops open. Nothing to worry about but I
usually warn all passenger that it may happen.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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the question will be the size of his thighs;-)
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From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and we're talking
about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is that he's 5'10" and
admits to weighing 260. This would be the biggest/heaviest passenger I've carried
by at least 50 pounds and wonder if anyone has had a similar experience.
We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat integrity and control
freedom.
Bill
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The kicker is that he's 5'10" and admits to weighing 260. This would be
the biggest/heaviest passenger I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder if
anyone has had a similar experience. We would definitely not be over-gross
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Well, i'm pretty much givin this thing away. hopefully somebody has some
use for it . lemme know.
shawn
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At 10:24 AM 2/11/2008, you wrote:
>We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat
>integrity and control freedom.
When I checked out in Lowell's IV-1200 I weighed about 195 and the
instructor weighed close to 250. We were so tight it was comical, but
nobody seemed to think it was a problem, and it wasn't.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Hi Paul,
Have you made much progress on your float design?
greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: czech floats
Hey gang,
I want to briefly reply to all of your comments about floats, but am on a
time crunch getting ready for a week plus float plane trip to northwest
ontario in a Beech 18 with two of my buddies. But when I return, I would be
happy to respond to any of the float questions Noel, Michael, and Joe have
asked me to explain further. So remind me in about a week and a half.
Briefly;
John; Thanks for the compliment about what I wrote. Fwiw I do write
articles for magazines - check out EAA's August 2006 Sport Pilot for an
article I wrote on LSA seaplanes and converting one to floats.
Noel; Yes, there are a lot of times a downwind takeoff and landing are
needed or at least preferred. I can explain further later.
Michael; I'd be happy to give you some good tips on the aerocet float
install on your airplane. I think I've learned a lot about what to do and
not do with these floats. Would love to see you be able to successfully
operate yours. Plus, I can put you in contact with others who have info to
share on the aerocet 1100 as well. We've developed a good communications
amongst a small group of us aerocet 1100 float flyers, and sharing info
between us has proven extremely valuable.
Greg and everybody else; I will be happy to explain more about my new
floats to you when I return. To make a long story short, they will be a
float specifically designed for airplanes like we (me included) like to fly.
So having flown Avids and Kitfoxes (as well as other G.A. aircraft) since
the mid 80's on floats, I know what we need, and what we don't need. And as
I said before, as far as I'm concerned we currently have no good choices out
there (sorry, just my opinion..). But my float will change that. It has
been in development for over a year now, but I'm not just eyeball
engineering things here. I sought out true experts to help me. Running
EAA's AirVenture Seaplane Base, and being around the seaplane crowd for a
quarter century has provided me with many contacts that have an incredible
amount of float operating and building experience, and they were willing to
share their knowledge because we're friends. Combining that expert help
along with my seaplane flying background, and my frustration over not having
a good float choice, I'm convinced will provide guys like us with a
marvelous amphib float. Oh yeah, and I promised myself I'd do all I can to
make it reasonably priced. I remember not too long ago when I had to scrimp
and save to buy my first set of inexpensive floats. So I want to make sure
my float is a real value, and is as affordable as I can make it without
sacrificing quality. Hopefully this will help you all to understand better
where I'm coming from, and why I'm passionate about producing a great float
for our airplanes. (see the pic attached if you want an approximate idea
what my new floats will look like. Will be very similar to that... but
better!)
Talk to you all in about a week and a half!
Paul Seehafer
Kitfox IV 912ul amphib
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: czech floats
>
> Paul,
> That is the greatest report on floats I have seen. I am thinking you need
> to
> quit your job and write for a magazine. :-) Honestly that is what many of
> us
> want to hear, One persons experience and feelings. I now believe you are
> capable of making a great set of floats. I along with many others are
> waiting for more info on your system. I learned from you about how many
> compartments there need to be, also the storage area's is a must, I had
> forgotten the aerocet had them. I actually put my kids in the floats with
> their heads sticking out and dressed like elfs, me as santa.( they will
> never forgive me)
> Any picture of the floats you want to share.
>
> Again, thanks
> John Oakley
> Fox 4 speedster long and short
> 912 ul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:22 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: czech floats
>
> Greg,
>
> I have 25 years of float flying experience, with a total of 2200 hrs in
> seaplanes. 1300 hours of that seaplane time has been in various light
> sport
>
> type aircraft. I have a bit more than 30 hours in an amphibious Czech
> float
>
> equipped Rans S-7 with a Rotax 100 hp 912s for power. Aircraft empty
> weight
>
> on wheels around 670 lbs, and right close to 900 on floats. The floats are
> the 4 wheel option 1150/1200a amphibs.
>
> The floats work, but lack forward floatation, as well as total floatation
> for the Rans (note how low the spreader bars are to the water in the
> attached picture. Also, the rear seat passenger weight is actually is
> helping keep the front of the floats up. Otherwise the bows would be
> plowing water over the top when idling). The landing gear has no
> suspension, and while the main gear does have a down lock, the nosegears
> are
>
> held down purely by hydraulic pressure, consequently causing concerns
> about
> gear collapse in the case of hydraulic failure, The hydraulic cyls also
> tend
>
> to leak when sitting with the weight of the airplane on them. The other
> problem with the floats is that they are approx 15 1/2 ft in length, and
> that causes you not to be able to rotate well without dragging the heels
> (which will consequently also keep you from leaving the water). This a a
> common problem with many older float designs as well. While a long float
> offers a nice ride and lots of good tracking and stability, they limit
> your
> ability to take off short because you can't rotate into a steep attitude.
> For those reasons I personally would always choose a short float over a
> long
>
> one if the floatation was similar. Oh yeah, a Rans S-7 is longer than my
> Kitfox IV by almost 5 ft, so the Kitfox would really suffer from not being
> able to rotate due to the float being so long for the airplane. The Czech
> floats on this Rans also only have 2 watertight compartments / pump outs.
> That would never pass muster for a certified float, as it puts the
> airplane
> at risk of capsizing if ever one compartment were to leak and fill with
> water. The good news there is that the later Czech floats are known for
> not
>
> leaking much water. But if you ever hit an underwater obstruction and
> poke
> a hole in your float, you have little or no reserve buoyancy with 50% of
> one
>
> float only left watertight.
>
> Another thing I don't like about the Czech floats is they are
> hydrodynamically very draggy. Example, last time I flew this Rans I was
> doing a downwind takeoff in a 10 mph wind and no matter what I did I
> couldn't get enough forward water speed to lift off. I tried everything,
> but finally stopped and turned into the wind and took off no problem.
> That
> whole issue is caused by too much reveted skin area causing excess water
> drag and limiting the ability to accelerate on the step. And being that I
> fly my Aerocet equipped Kitfox also, I guess I am spoiled as downwind
> takeoffs are never a problem, even though I have 20 hp less than the Rans,
> and less wing area. The Aerocets having a smooth fluted bottom have let
> me
> acclerate easily for a takeoff at gross weight in a 25+ mph downwind
> before
> (ps - don't try this at home - I've been flying floats for a lot of
> years...
>
> Go into the wind like our flight instructors tell us to). I also don't
> like
>
> the fact that there are no storage areas in the czech floats.
>
> Ok, so what do I like about the Czech floats? Ground handling is good,
> and
> brakes work pretty good or an amphib. Water rudders are sufficiently
> sized,
> and the floats will get you off the water relatively quick as they use a
> pretty flat bottom. Of course, since nothing is ever free, rough water is
> not the Czech floats forte.
>
> I currently am flying my Kitfox 912ul Model IV on Aerocet 1100 amphibs. It
> weighs 630 lbs on wheels and 776 on amphibs. Those floats too have a lot
> of
> issues, with underfloatation being the biggest problem, and a weak landing
> gear second. But other than that it is hands down the best handling float
> you will ever fly (I can do a 600-800 foot circular one float takeoff!
> Yeah, they handle that good...)
>
> Because I don't think we have a decent choice out there currently for an
> amphib float for our planes, I designed my own with all the features I
> wanted, and felt we need. I am in final design stages and will be going
> into production soon (has been a MUCH bigger job than I ever expected. Oh
> well, all good things take time they say...). I expect to have floats
> available 1st qtr of 2008. Pricing is targeted to compete with the Czech
> floats. And it will be an attractive float with a real landing gear and
> nice
>
> storage (read as "Not anything weird"). I will let the group know here
> as
> I progress with production. The Kitfox is one of my favorite airplanes,
> so
> I hope to set up a Kitfox as one of the first airplanes on my new floats.
>
> Paul Seehafer
>
> ps - did those Avid amphibs not work out for your?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Cronin" <greg@case-assembly.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:46 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: czech floats
>
>
>> <greg@case-assembly.com>
>>
>> Is anyone here flying the Czech floats currently?
>>
>> If so please let us all know what you think.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> gc
>>
>> 1:53 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
8:16 AM
8:16 AM
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Be ready to add a little power on short final, your sink rate will be a
little bit higher. I had someone who was 6'2" and 250 lbs. and I notice a
difference.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and we're
talking about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is that he's
5'10" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the biggest/heaviest
passenger I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder if anyone has had a
similar experience. We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder
about seat integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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Mic,
Not sure where you are but here it's winter. Like teens and low
twenties. But the idea does sound like "fun".
Bill
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From: mic thiessen
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight
Take the right side stick off and fly with doors open and
you won't have a problem.
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From: chenoweth@gwi.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:24:04 -0500
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and
we're talking about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is
that he's 5'10" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the
biggest/heaviest passenger I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder
if anyone has had a similar experience. We would definitely not be
over-gross but I wonder about seat integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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Guy,
Very reassuring and thanks very much for the info.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: weight
At 10:24 AM 2/11/2008, you wrote:
We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat
integrity and control freedom.
When I checked out in Lowell's IV-1200 I weighed about 195 and the
instructor weighed close to 250. We were so tight it was comical, but
nobody seemed to think it was a problem, and it wasn't.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Michel,
Good point - I had a similar experience with a smaller but still substantial
passenger a few months ago and after the third or fourth hard landing his
door did pop. As Roger pointed out one needs to accommodate the higher sink
rate and it took me a few tries to get it right.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight
>> From: Chenoweth [chenoweth@gwi.net]
>> We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat integrity
>> and
>> control freedom.
>
> Bill, the only thing I experience with heavy passenger and a hard langing
> in my model 3 is that the passenger's door pops open. Nothing to worry
> about but I usually warn all passenger that it may happen.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
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John,
That comment has led me off on a whimsical train of thought about some
of my large female passengers. Now that I've stopped laughing I want to
thank you for the humor.
Bill
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From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: weight
the question will be the size of his thighs;-)
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From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and
we're talking about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is
that he's 5'10" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the
biggest/heaviest passenger I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder
if anyone has had a similar experience. We would definitely not be
over-gross but I wonder about seat integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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Just wondering why you say to take the doors off.. I have been in my plane
(Model III-A actual Mod II) with myself at close to 250 and another pilot at
close to 200 lb. We didn't fly because we just couldn't develop enough
horsepower ( faulty tach) to get up on step. The With the fuel on board we
were around 1050 lb. Which I would probably have done some flight in ground
effect. What I'm trying to get at is there was plenty of room with the
doors on and both sticks installed. In fact there was more room than in the
Stinson 108 I tried to fly.... The yoke in that plane was situated in such
a way it would require me to take the door off to give me enough elbow room.
The most room I've seen in any plane including the Boeing 737 was the Super
Cub.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mic thiessen
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight
Take the right side stick off and fly with doors open and you
won't have a problem.
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From: chenoweth@gwi.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and we're
talking about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is that he's
5'10" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the biggest/heaviest
passenger I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder if anyone has had a
similar experience. We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder
about seat integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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p://forums.matronics.com
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Do you suppose that John McBean still sells the double-pin door latch
kits? I've got 'em on my Speedster, plus the bottom latch...three
points of contact with the door jambs, and the double-pins are almost
foolproof. I doubt that the door would EVER come open short of
wadding up the fuselage.
Also, I've had a 250-pounder in my plane with full tanks (156 lbs),
and at that point we were about 15 lbs over gross...did I just admit
to a violation of the rules? Damn, somebody must be sneaking in here
again and playing with my computer.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/470+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Chenoweth wrote:
>
> Michel,
> Good point - I had a similar experience with a smaller but still
> substantial passenger a few months ago and after the third or
> fourth hard landing his door did pop. As Roger pointed out one
> needs to accommodate the higher sink rate and it took me a few
> tries to get it right.
> Bill
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Would someone please tell me if any of the airframes were marked with a
serial number, in particular the model IV. Where would it be?
Dwight Purdy
model II
dwight
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My Series 7 is stamped on the right side upper seat belt tab. Don't know for sure
where they stamped the IV but I would assume they did.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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Try Murle Williams in Arizona. He has built at least a couple award winning Kitfoxes
over the years. I think he offer building services.
http://sonoragraphics.com/williamsaviation/
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
I have a IV, and never found any stamps on the airframe!> Subject: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Serial numbers> From: gerns25@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008
16:53:40 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message p
osted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>> > My Series 7 is stamped on the
right side upper seat belt tab. Don't know for sure where they stamped the
IV but I would assume they did.> > --------> Darin Hawkes> Series 7 (under
Construction)> 914 Turbo> Kaysville, Utah> > > > > Read this topic online h
ere:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163604#163604> > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
I have a model IV kit that I bought from the original purchaser. The invoice was
folded and the number was in the fold and the carbon paper was turned blue.
It was bought from Skystar in 1996. Supposed to be a model IV Speedster except
he wanted the full wing. Can I tell if it is a 1200 gross by the diameter of
the struts ? Maybe the length(height) of the tail post would be better.
My wife says one of my toys need to go and I would like to know for sure what
I will be advertising.
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dwight
model II
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
Dwight,
I have a model IV and the serial # was stamped on a horizontal piece of metal
back in the tail area. I believe it was very close to where the 3-hole adjustment
for the HZ Stab is at.
Dan B.
Mesa, AZ
dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com> wrote:
Would someone please tell me if any of the airframes were marked with a
serial number, in particular the model IV. Where would it be?
Dwight Purdy
model II
dwight
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
My 92 speedster is on a tab behind the seat. I believe it is on the center
of the first upper cross tube behind the flaperons. GBSO33 G=7th month
B=92 S=Speedster This was the transition time to Skystar and they s
oon changed the format of the serial number. Ron NB Ore
From: kitfoxpilot@msn.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Serial numbersDate: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:36:05 +0000
I have a IV, and never found any stamps on the airframe!> Subject: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Serial numbers> From: gerns25@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008
16:53:40 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message p
osted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>> > My Series 7 is stamped on the
right side upper seat belt tab. Don't know for sure where they stamped the
IV but I would assume they did.> > --------> Darin Hawkes> Series 7 (under
Construction)> 914 Turbo> Kaysville, Utah> > > > > Read this topic online h
ere:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163604#163604> > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
Dwight, My 1994 Classic 4 is a 1200 Gross airframe. Tail post is 53 and 1/4 inches
near as I can measure on the trailer with the wings folded. Wing struts
are one inch OD. serial number is on the rear of the triangular plate that the
front of the Horizontal stab attaches to.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
Now that is what I call service. Thanks for all of the replies.
Dwight
model II
At 06:57 PM 2/11/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Dwight, My 1994 Classic 4 is a 1200 Gross airframe. Tail post is 53 and
>1/4 inches near as I can measure on the trailer with the wings
>folded. Wing struts are one inch OD. serial number is on the rear of the
>triangular plate that the front of the Horizontal stab attaches to.
>
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>Tom Jones
>Classic IV, Phase one
>503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>Ellensburg, WA
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Just kidding of course, but I thought, if it really wan't working out; wit
h the door open, no stick, you could drop the right wing, unbuckle him quic
k while kicking full left rudder, and be back to normal real quick, Jim C
huk
do not archive (or take seriously)
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: weightDate: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:05:05 -0330
Just wondering why you say to take the doors off.. I have been in my plane
(Model III-A actual Mod II) with myself at close to 250 and another pilot
at close to 200 lb. We didn=92t fly because we just couldn=92t develop eno
ugh horsepower ( faulty tach) to get up on step. The With the fuel on boar
d we were around 1050 lb. Which I would probably have done some flight in
ground effect. What I=92m trying to get at is there was plenty of room wit
h the doors on and both sticks installed. In fact there was more room than
in the Stinson 108 I tried to fly.... The yoke in that plane was situated
in such a way it would require me to take the door off to give me enough e
lbow room.
The most room I=92ve seen in any plane including the Boeing 737 was the Sup
er Cub.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mic thiessenSent: Monday, February 11, 2008
4:43 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight
Take the right side stick off and fly with doors open and you w
on't have a problem.
From: chenoweth@gwi.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: w
eightDate: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:24:04 -0500
I have a friend coming to visit who is an aviation enthusiast and we're tal
king about my giving him a ride in my IV-1200. The kicker is that he's 5'1
0" and admits to weighing 260. This would be the biggest/heaviest passenge
r I've carried by at least 50 pounds and wonder if anyone has had a similar
experience. We would definitely not be over-gross but I wonder about seat
integrity and control freedom.
Bill
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| Subject: | * 8th Annual Desert Fox Squadron Fly-In * |
It's that time once again! The 8th annual Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in
will be held March 28th & 29th at the Thunder Ridge airpark,
northwest of Phoenix, Arizona.
If you plan to attend, it is important that you RSVP to Phil (Papa) Laker:
phil@lakercustom.com
Please do not respond to the Kitfox List.
For those of you who are not familiar with a Desert Fox Squadron
Fly-in, I can tell you to expect a lot of food, fun, and flying.
There will be free squadron T-shirts, a swearing-at ceremony and
wings for new members, and an aerial poker run!
Thunder Ridge is located 15 NM southeast of Wickenburg, AZ (E25) at N
33 49.164, W 112 34.378 or, for those who prefer VOR navigation, the
intersection of the Buckeye (BXK) VOR (110.6) 016 degree radial and
the Phoenix (PXR) VOR (115.6) 295 degree radial.
The squadron headquarters building is located on the south east
corner of the airstrip (look for the squadron banner).
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
Mine is on the tab that the inner shoulder harnesses bolt to. It is
triangular in shape. My understanding of the alpha-numeric sequence
is: 1st digit =month; 2nd digit=year, with 1991 being '1', 1992 being
'2', etc.; don't know what the 3rd digit is but mine is a Speedster,
and the designation on mine is "U", followed by 150, which I was led
to believe (by Frank Miller, for whatever that's worth) was the
number of units built that year.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/470+ hrs
On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:51 PM, ron schick wrote:
> My 92 speedster is on a tab behind the seat. I believe it is on
> the center of the first upper cross tube behind the flaperons.
> GBSO33 G=7th month B=92 S=Speedster This was the transition
> time to Skystar and they soon changed the format of the serial
> number. Ron NB Ore
>
> From: kitfoxpilot@msn.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Serial numbers
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:36:05 +0000
>
> I have a IV, and never found any stamps on the airframe!
>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Serial numbers
> > From: gerns25@netscape.net
> > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:53:40 -0800
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > My Series 7 is stamped on the right side upper seat belt tab.
> Don't know for sure where they stamped the IV but I would assume
> they did.
> >
> > --------
> > Darin Hawkes
> > Series 7 (under Construction)
> > 914 Turbo
> > Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Serial numbers |
Center shoulder harness tab...look hard, it'll probably be nearly
filled in with powdercoat.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/470+ hrs
On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:36 PM, RAY Gignac wrote:
> I have a IV, and never found any stamps on the airframe!
>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Serial numbers
> > From: gerns25@netscape.net
> > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:53:40 -0800
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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> > My Series 7 is stamped on the right side upper seat belt tab.
> Don't know for sure where they stamped the IV but I would assume
> they did.
> >
> > --------
> > Darin Hawkes
> > Series 7 (under Construction)
> > 914 Turbo
> > Kaysville, Utah
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