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1. 03:52 AM - Finally (Rich)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Paint Choices - Was "Weight Affected by Color of Plane& (jlfernan)
3. 06:20 AM - KITFOX M4 SPEEDSTER PROJECT FOR SALE (Don & Betty Stevenson)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Dave G.)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: KITFOX M4 SPEEDSTER PROJECT FOR SALE (Cmflyboy12@aol.com)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Michel Verheughe)
7. 07:30 AM - Oil injection filter (LarryM)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Noel Loveys)
9. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (john oakley)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Noel Loveys)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Lynn Matteson)
12. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Lynn Matteson)
14. 10:30 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (fox5flyer)
15. 11:13 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (SkySteve)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Clint Bazzill)
17. 12:23 PM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Lynn Matteson)
18. 03:12 PM - Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th (Steve Shinabery)
19. 03:31 PM - Re: Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th (RAY Gignac)
20. 03:51 PM - * 8th Annual Desert Fox Squadron Fly-In * (Michael Gibbs)
21. 04:32 PM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Sbennett3@aol.com)
22. 06:37 PM - Re: Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th (K&MCozik)
23. 07:15 PM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (Noel Loveys)
24. 08:30 PM - Apology (Guy Buchanan)
25. 08:44 PM - Re: Oil injection filter (Guy Buchanan)
26. 09:11 PM - Re: Apology (patrick reilly)
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:D My problem with my 912uls mag drop is finally fixed. The Rotax specs say the
mag drop should not be over 300 with 120 difference. Mine has been over 400
since day one and I have tried almost everything. Sent queries out to numerous
sites asking for a fix and nobody came up with anything worthwhile till I went
to rotaxservice.com troubleshooting sight which listed about 10 things it
could be. I have tried each one for the past months but didn't do the ignition
because I couldn't see it with the engine mounted. Today I used an inspection
mirror and set the spacing on the trigger coils which make up the ignition
system. My mag drop is now 110 per side and 10 difference. I went flying tonight
and the EGT's, CHT's are all even and the engine is even smoother. My S-7
still takes off in 150 feet and the RPM is about the same. Life is good
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Choices - Was "Weight Affected by Color of Plane& |
I'm going to be building a Supersport, I would love to see some construction photos.
--------
Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Waiting on delivery
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| Subject: | KITFOX M4 SPEEDSTER PROJECT FOR SALE |
Hi Everyone, I have a Kitfox model 4 speedster/912UL project (about 85 to 90% completed)
for sale. I,m located in Southern Ontario, Canada and sadly must sell
for personal reasons. So as not to get into a long post with all the details,
photos etc. anyone interested can contact me off list at the following:-
Email: shericom@rogers.com
Phone: 905-838-5283
Thanks,
Don Stevenson
Caledon, Ontario, Canada (Just N/W of Toronto)
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
So, it's all sort of vaguely interesting, since I need paint and I need
the UV blocking layers etc. Does anybody have any HARD figures about how
much heavier a white plane is than your favourite colour in it's
finished state? Mine is silver, red, black, and cub yellow on the legacy
parts. On the newly covered parts it's all yellow. I thought about
having band-aids airbrushed on but I'll never actually do it.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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From: kerrimikehickman@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
Hi Steve,
I've flown for 25 years, from Cessna 150s thru many Air Force birds
thru commercial Boeings/Airbus types. Now in Airbus 320s and a yellow
Series 6 Kitfox (good thing for the kitfox or I'd lose touch with "real
flying" and the real flying community).
Our fox is a great airplane design, but so drag-laden compared to a
clean airframe design that to me personally it makes no difference what
paint is used.
There would be many other theoretical changes to approach before I'd
sacrifice the cool-factor available with an experimental aircraft paint
job. (gap seals, aerodynamic fairings everywhere, vortex generators,
winglets/drooped tips, prop choice/pitch adjustments, etc...
The paint is what makes this type of project personal, and a man's
paint job is a reflection of personality over functionality.
-Now on the other hand is a personality like my brother's. He's into
ultra-light backpacking; his sleeping bag may be cold, but it only
weighs 14 oz. and packs into a fist-sized ball. To sacrifice pack
weight he cut the handle off his plastic eating spoon, counts out his
bio-degradable t.p. squares down to the pre-documented necessity, and
relies on nasty (but light) iodine tablets instead of a water pump to
take care of his creek water. In other words, he is a weight
fanatic...not that there's anything wrong with that. His weight savings
gives him great pride and possibly an easier trip up the mountain.
The somewhat diluted point being, a man's paint job is a personal
thing.
(by the way, American Airlines still seems to have their fleet
unpainted. The weight savings at that scale and when almost everything
else is aerodynamic equates to a great fuel savings/especially when
burning over 3000 gal/hr).
Good luck w/your decision. By the way, I always wanted to have some
nose-art painted on my Series 6...Something slinky in honor of the WWII
birds/pilots. Must be nice having an artist in the family.
Mike Hickman
Series 6
Longmont, CO
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From: SkySteve <Wilson@REinfo.org>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 2:53 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
I am planning a new color and design scheme for my plane. My wife is a
painter
of fine art so I consulted with her regarding both. While we were
looking at
the various colors of tubes of oil paint she has, I discovered a great
discrepancy in the weight of different colors, with white being the
heaviest.
Red seemed to be very light weight.
Is this true with airplane paint also? Are there colors that are much
heavier
than others? If so, which colors are light weight and which colors are
heavy
weight? Also, how much weight (approx) will any paint job add to a
Kitfox?
Seems to me I remember years ago an airlines (I think it was Braniff)
repainted
their fleet and actually had to remove seats to accommodate the extra
weight of
the paint.
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: KITFOX M4 SPEEDSTER PROJECT FOR SALE |
i,m looking for one how must are you wanting for it and send me pictures
please asap,thanks flyboy12
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| Subject: | Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
> From: Dave G. [occom@ns.sympatico.ca]
> Does anybody have any HARD figures about how much heavier a white plane is than
> your favourite colour in it's finished state?
I don't want to open a can of worms and ... I don't know anything about industrial
paints but I had an art education and still paint with acrylic or oil. What
makes the different in weight is the pigment used and there are so many of them.
Even white can be many different things. I think you should look at that
before drawing hasty conclusions.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Oil injection filter |
Hi,
I'm trying to get some guidance. The oil lines into my pump are getting rather
hard. ('93) I want to change them and I thought to change the filter at the
same time. The only oil filter that I can find for Ski Doo is a small inline
1/4" barb filter. The oil pump has a 5/16"(+/-) barb. What is the proper filter
to use, and how often should it be replaced? According to the local sled
shop, the small one is what Ski Doo calls for on all of their injected engines.
If that's the case, why the 5/16th fitting on the pump? What's a guy to
do????
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
You were right the first time the reds (Magentia) layer always fades first
leaving a green/cyan image... I 've restored thousands of them... Some are
easier than others.
The link led to the answer th farmers used rust to make their paint with
linseed oil... Teh rust Iron oxide acted as an anti fungus in the paint.
A farmer told me that one.. The site confirmed it
Enjoy your flight
Noel ... in the cold
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Now for a question for Lynn... You have been in the photographic
> industry long enough to know this... when colour photos fade what
> colour do they fade to? :-)
It seems like they fade to a yellowish green, The cyan layer is
usually the first to go, if I recall correctly. Of course cyan is
bluish, and...oh, damn, I'm forgetting my additive and subtractive
colors.... And of course there's a difference, isn't there, as to
whether you're talking about a fading transparency or a fading
print.................I think. : )
I recall a study where they tested slides in both Kodachrome and
Ektachrome, and prints in Cibachrome, Ektaflex?, Ektacolor?, (can't
believe I've forgotten so much photo stuff in 7 years) to see whether
they faded more in the dark or in the light and what kind of
light....fluorescent, tungsten or daylight. I think the dark speaks
for itself.
Ok, Professor Noel, I'm just rambling here, as it's obvious I don't
know the answer and I'm just hoping the bell will ring and I can
escape to my airplane and leave this embarrassment behind. : )
(please do not archive my stupidity) : )
>
>
> Another question... if it is true that red fades faster why do
> farmers ever paint their barns a colour that would require more
> work?? After you think of an idea or two look at http://
> people.howstuffworks.com/question635.htm
Dunno, but one theory I heard was that early barns were painted
with available colors....earth tones, made from red clay?
I drive by a faded metal barn almost every day that is almost back to
the parent metal color, and that's what reminds me of the fading
issues with the color red.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
Noel,
You answered a life long question about the early farmers red paint, it
makes sense now.
I was not worried about weight on my plane until the local guys gave me
fits. I measured the weight on the last coats on my plane, the red added 8
lbs to the plane per coat. I have not had any fade in ten years, although it
did turn a shade darker than it was. I use sunscreen once a year and it sat
out for 3 summers at high altitude.
Oh yea stits dope.
John Oakley
Speedster 912ul cap
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| Subject: | Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
I totally agree with you Michel. However when you consider the amount of
pigment that is put into a gallon of paint I think the weight difference
would be miniscule. With a good set of analytical scales you would be able
to see the difference otherwise the difference would be for all intents and
purposes zero. The difference in the weight per CC of the pigment can be
more than made up with the thickness of the coat.
I also have to disagree with the guy who said to paint a plane red he would
first have to paint it white so he would have two layers of paint on his
plane. I have no doubt if he wanted to have white stripes on his plane that
would be the way to go as the red would show through the white... Better
yet use yellow stripes. It is my experience that darker colours show
through lighter colours that is why in art the wash (base) is generally a
white or light colour and shadows are added to increase contrast... If you
had a red plane and wanted it white you would have to give it several coats
to cover the red.. to go from UV block to red should only take one coat.
It is true though some metallic paint jobs use a light primer to add sparkle
to the final finish.
I don't want to open a can of worms and ... I don't know anything about
industrial paints but I had an art education and still paint with acrylic or
oil. What makes the different in weight is the pigment used and there are so
many of them. Even white can be many different things. I think you should
look at that before drawing hasty conclusions.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
Maybe the interested party should call the paint supplier?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
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On Feb 23, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Dave G. [occom@ns.sympatico.ca]
>> Does anybody have any HARD figures about how much heavier a white
>> plane is than
>> your favourite colour in it's finished state?
>
> I don't want to open a can of worms and ... I don't know anything
> about industrial paints but I had an art education and still paint
> with acrylic or oil. What makes the different in weight is the
> pigment used and there are so many of them. Even white can be many
> different things. I think you should look at that before drawing
> hasty conclusions.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane...off topic |
Thanks, Noel....and the flight (today) was very nice. In fact it's
only half over. I finally counted my "stones" and discovered that I
had enough to land on the lake across the road from my house. Came
home fed a few logs to the fire, and am going out now for some more
lake landings. I've been reluctant to do so because the weather has
been so up and down this winter. Now it seems that the below-freezing
days have added up to enough for my plane, and for that matter a C150
as well. Ok, ya got me...the other guy had the stones to try it
first...on another lake.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
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On Feb 23, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Enjoy your flight
>
> Noel ... in the cold
>
> Ok, Professor Noel, I'm just rambling here, as it's obvious I don't
> know the answer and I'm just hoping the bell will ring and I can
> escape to my airplane and leave this embarrassment behind. : )
>
> (please do not archive my stupidity) : )
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
I was told by Poly-Fiber that in order to paint my plane orange, I
should first cover the Poly-Spray with a coat of white, otherwise the
orange would a have a hard time covering the silver, and the results
would not be a bright orange, but kinda dull. I'm sure the sale of an
extra gallon of white wasn't the only reason for that advice.
Besides, I left a good deal of the wings white, so painting the whole
thing white to begin with made doing the masking a great deal easier.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
On Feb 23, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I totally agree with you Michel. However when you consider the
> amount of
> pigment that is put into a gallon of paint I think the weight
> difference
> would be miniscule. With a good set of analytical scales you would
> be able
> to see the difference otherwise the difference would be for all
> intents and
> purposes zero. The difference in the weight per CC of the pigment
> can be
> more than made up with the thickness of the coat.
>
> I also have to disagree with the guy who said to paint a plane red
> he would
> first have to paint it white so he would have two layers of paint
> on his
> plane. I have no doubt if he wanted to have white stripes on his
> plane that
> would be the way to go as the red would show through the white...
> Better
> yet use yellow stripes. It is my experience that darker colours show
> through lighter colours that is why in art the wash (base) is
> generally a
> white or light colour and shadows are added to increase
> contrast... If you
> had a red plane and wanted it white you would have to give it
> several coats
> to cover the red.. to go from UV block to red should only take one
> coat.
> It is true though some metallic paint jobs use a light primer to
> add sparkle
> to the final finish.
>
>
> I don't want to open a can of worms and ... I don't know anything
> about
> industrial paints but I had an art education and still paint with
> acrylic or
> oil. What makes the different in weight is the pigment used and
> there are so
> many of them. Even white can be many different things. I think you
> should
> look at that before drawing hasty conclusions.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
Steve, it would be simple enough to go into any automotive paint supply with
your handy dandy scale under your arm, grab a few assorted gallons of paint
and weigh them. If you decide to do that, it would be interesting to hear
your report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough
to
take everything you have."
-Thomas Jefferson
----- Original Message -----
From: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
>
> I am planning a new color and design scheme for my plane. My wife is a
> painter of fine art so I consulted with her regarding both. While we were
> looking at the various colors of tubes of oil paint she has, I discovered
> a great discrepancy in the weight of different colors, with white being
> the heaviest. Red seemed to be very light weight.
>
> Is this true with airplane paint also? Are there colors that are much
> heavier than others? If so, which colors are light weight and which
> colors are heavy weight? Also, how much weight (approx) will any paint
> job add to a Kitfox?
>
> Seems to me I remember years ago an airlines (I think it was Braniff)
> repainted their fleet and actually had to remove seats to accommodate the
> extra weight of the paint.
>
> --------
> Steve Wilson
> Huntsville, UT
> Kitfox I-IV 85DD
> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
> Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165623#165623
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
> Steve, it would be simple enough to go into any automotive paint supply with
> your handy dandy scale under your arm, grab a few assorted gallons of paint
> and weigh them.
Deke,
The problem I see with that method, as has already been pointed out, is that the
paint will weigh less when dry than when wet (in the can). Of course, you also
have the weight of the can. I was interested in dry weights of various colors
of plane paint. Per gal, per sq ft, etc. but in some format to be able to
determine how much weight would be added to your plane if you painted it any
particular color. It probably wouldn't matter much to many planes, but mine
has a pretty low useful load so every pound counts.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
NO NO NO
That doesn't work. The lightest (weight is) is white. Its pigment is tita
nium dioxide and it the lightest. Red (iron oxide is the very heavy) if y
ou want light, paint white and use trim with color. You can't weigh the pa
int in the can and come out with any accurate results.
Clint> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subjec
t: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 20
yer@idealwifi.net>> > Steve, it would be simple enough to go into any autom
otive paint supply with > your handy dandy scale under your arm, grab a few
assorted gallons of paint > and weigh them. If you decide to do that, it w
ould be interesting to hear > your report.> Deke Morisse> Mikado Michigan>
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT> "A government big enough to give you everything you
want, is strong enough > to> take everything you have."> -Thomas Jefferson>
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:53 PM>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane> > > > --> Kitfox-L
ist message posted by: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>> >> > I am planning a
new color and design scheme for my plane. My wife is a > > painter of fine
art so I consulted with her regarding both. While we were > > looking at t
he various colors of tubes of oil paint she has, I discovered > > a great d
iscrepancy in the weight of different colors, with white being > > the heav
iest. Red seemed to be very light weight.> >> > Is this true with airplane
paint also? Are there colors that are much > > heavier than others? If so,
which colors are light weight and which > > colors are heavy weight? Also,
how much weight (approx) will any paint > > job add to a Kitfox?> >> > Seem
s to me I remember years ago an airlines (I think it was Braniff) > > repai
nted their fleet and actually had to remove seats to accommodate the > > ex
tra weight of the paint.> >> > --------> > Steve Wilson> > Huntsville, UT>
> Kitfox I-IV 85DD> > 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive> > Convertable Nosewheel &a
mp; Tailwheel> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://foru
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
If you assume (yeah, yeah, I know) the amount of paint in each can of
color is the same, and IF you assume the weight of each can is the
same, you can at least get a ballpark figure on the comparative
weights of each color. You will be assuming again that each color has
the same amount of evaporative components. But that should be the
same, I don't really know.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> NO NO NO
>
> That doesn't work. The lightest (weight is) is white. Its pigment
> is titanium dioxide and it the lightest. Red (iron oxide is the
> very heavy) if you want light, paint white and use trim with
> color. You can't weigh the paint in the can and come out with any
> accurate results.
>
> Clint
>
> > From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
> > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:24:01 -0500
> >
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >
> > Steve, it would be simple enough to go into any automotive paint
> supply with
> > your handy dandy scale under your arm, grab a few assorted
> gallons of paint
> > and weigh them. If you decide to do that, it would be interesting
> to hear
> > your report.
> > Deke Morisse
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| Subject: | Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th |
Great Lakes Area,Kitfox Fly In,,,When:Sunday May 11th,2008,at:Lake Field
Airport [CQA],Celina Ohio.12:00 noon..west central Ohio,.lunch at 12;00
noon.free lunch to any pilot flying there KF in to CQA.after lunch
weather permiting.BOMB Drop+Spot Landing Contest.Lake field airport
located at the south west corner of Grand Lake St.Marys .the largest
lake in Ohio.If you do not have a KF fly in what you have.CQA is my home
airport Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th |
Your really promoting this KF flyin hard, and you have my interest!! I wil
l make plans for a day of fun.
Ray Gignac, N2BH
Model IV,1200 912ULS
Mitchellville, Maryland> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:08:48 -0500> From: shinc
o@bright.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox F
ly In,,May 11th> > Great Lakes Area,Kitfox Fly In,,,When:Sunday May 11th,20
08,at:Lake Field > Airport [CQA],Celina Ohio.12:00 noon..west central Ohio,
.lunch at 12;00 > noon.free lunch to any pilot flying there KF in to CQA.af
ter lunch > weather permiting.BOMB Drop+Spot Landing Contest.Lake field air
port > located at the south west corner of Grand Lake St.Marys .the largest
> lake in Ohio.If you do not have a KF fly in what you have.CQA is my home
> airport Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2>
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| Subject: | * 8th Annual Desert Fox Squadron Fly-In * |
Ray sez:
>Your really promoting this KF flyin hard, and you have my interest!
Speaking of which, it's time for another Desert Fox Squadron
reminder. The 8th annual Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in will be held
March 28th & 29th at the Thunder Ridge airpark, northwest of Phoenix,
Arizona.
If you plan to attend, it is important that you RSVP to Phil (Papa) Laker:
phil@lakercustom.com
Please do not respond to the Kitfox List.
For those of you who are not familiar with a Desert Fox Squadron
Fly-in, I can tell you to expect a lot of food, fun, and flying.
There will be free squadron T-shirts, a swearing-at ceremony and
wings for new members, and an aerial poker run!
Thunder Ridge is located 15 NM southeast of Wickenburg, AZ (E25) at N
33 49.164, W 112 34.378 or, for those who prefer VOR navigation, the
intersection of the Buckeye (BXK) VOR (110.6) 016 degree radial and
the Phoenix (PXR) VOR (115.6) 295 degree radial.
The squadron headquarters building is located on the south east
corner of the airstrip (look for the squadron banner).
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
Ok fellers... Paint yer plane and go fly it... If you're so worried about
weight, buy a more powerful engine... Geesh i'm tired of reading these paint
weight posts... Steve Bennett fox 4 912 speedwing... And my plane is white...
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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| Subject: | Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th |
Count me in. Can't wait meet some of you guys.
Kevin Cozik
Series 6-7
Czech amphibs
Rotax turbo
Lansing Michigan
On Sat Feb 23 18:27 , RAY Gignac <kitfoxpilot@msn.com> sent:
>
>
>Your really promoting this KF flyin hard, and you have my interest!! I will make
plans for a day of fun.
>
>
>Ray Gignac, N2BH
>
>Model IV,1200 912ULS
>
>Mitchellville, Maryland
>
>> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:08:48 -0500
>> From: shinco@bright.net
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Fly In,,May 11th
>>
>> Great Lakes Area,Kitfox Fly In,,,When:Sunday May 11th,2008,at:Lake Field
>> Airport [CQA],Celina Ohio.12:00 noon..west central Ohio,.lunch at 12;00
>> noon.free lunch to any pilot flying there KF in to CQA.after lunch
>> weather permiting.BOMB Drop+Spot Landing Contest.Lake field airport
>> located at the south west corner of Grand Lake St.Marys .the largest
>> lake in Ohio.If you do not have a KF fly in what you have.CQA is my home
>> airport Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
>>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
Considering that a full gallon of paint will only have a few CC of actual
pigment the difference would be hard to measure even with analytical scales
and accurate measuring devices. The thickness the paint is applied will
have more effect than the difference in colours.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
If you assume (yeah, yeah, I know) the amount of paint in each can of
color is the same, and IF you assume the weight of each can is the
same, you can at least get a ballpark figure on the comparative
weights of each color. You will be assuming again that each color has
the same amount of evaporative components. But that should be the
same, I don't really know.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> NO NO NO
>
> That doesn't work. The lightest (weight is) is white. Its pigment
> is titanium dioxide and it the lightest. Red (iron oxide is the
> very heavy) if you want light, paint white and use trim with
> color. You can't weigh the paint in the can and come out with any
> accurate results.
>
> Clint
>
> > From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight Affected by Color of Plane
> > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:24:01 -0500
> >
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >
> > Steve, it would be simple enough to go into any automotive paint
> supply with
> > your handy dandy scale under your arm, grab a few assorted
> gallons of paint
> > and weigh them. If you decide to do that, it would be interesting
> to hear
> > your report.
> > Deke Morisse
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All,
I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post
about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying:
"YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)"
I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY
WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings
or confusion.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection filter |
At 07:27 AM 2/23/2008, you wrote:
>According to the local sled shop, the small one is what Ski Doo
>calls for on all of their injected engines. If that's the case, why
>the 5/16th fitting on the pump? What's a guy to do????
Hi Larry,
I assume we're talking 582 here? I suspect the 1/4" is fine
from a flow standpoint, the oil moves awfully slow. I buy my oil
filters from CPS (http://www.800-airwolf.com/) and they pretty much
match the oil injection system barb. I change it at annual, though
I've never heard one way or another. (I guess I should have cut my
last one open to find out if anything was inside.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Guy, I read your 1st "Test pilot" message. If anyone has a problem with tha
t statement. It's their problem, not yours. There is nothing wrong with you
r choice of words. Please continue with your uncensored commentary.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:27:27 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matron
ics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Apology> > --> Kitfox
-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>> > All,> I received
some criticism for my reply to Michel's post > about flying at Vne. In par
ticular with regard to saying:> > "YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire
your courage.)"> > I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in A
NY > WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings >
or confusion.> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp /
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