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1. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Sky King.... (steve shinabery)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Gas Cap Gaskets (ED GRASSO)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: OT popular misconceptions (Lynn Matteson)
4. 04:43 AM - Re: Onus or Otis? (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:08 AM - Re: Gas Cap Gaskets (dcsfoto)
6. 05:46 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Lynn Matteson)
7. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Lynn Matteson)
8. 05:56 AM - Need measurement (jlfernan)
9. 06:58 AM - Re: Need measurement (patrick reilly)
10. 07:01 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (patrick reilly)
11. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: OT popular misconceptions (Rexinator)
12. 07:22 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (patrick reilly)
13. 07:28 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Don G)
14. 07:33 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Rexinator)
15. 07:40 AM - Intercom (Pat Reilly)
16. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Sky King.... (Rexinator)
17. 08:05 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Catz631@aol.com)
18. 08:06 AM - Re: Intercom (Tom Jones)
19. 08:11 AM - Re: Need measurement (Tom Jones)
20. 08:27 AM - Re: Intercom (Rexinator)
21. 08:33 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Catz631@aol.com)
22. 08:44 AM - Re: OT popular misconceptions (vetdrem)
23. 08:50 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
24. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Lynn Matteson)
25. 09:07 AM - Re: Gas Cap Gaskets (n85ae)
26. 09:21 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Lynn Matteson)
27. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Need measurement (Lynn Matteson)
28. 09:44 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Lynn Matteson)
29. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: OT popular misconceptions (Lynn Matteson)
30. 09:50 AM - Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Guy Buchanan)
31. 09:50 AM - Re: Intercom (Guy Buchanan)
32. 09:52 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Lynn Matteson)
33. 10:53 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (FlyboyTR)
34. 11:04 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Rexinator)
35. 11:14 AM - Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
36. 11:24 AM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM ()
37. 11:25 AM - Re: Intercom (patrick reilly)
38. 11:28 AM - Re: Gas Cap Gaskets (Noel Loveys)
39. 11:34 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (wingnut)
40. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Intercom (patrick reilly)
41. 11:40 AM - RRe: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (fox5flyer)
42. 11:44 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
43. 11:45 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (patrick reilly)
44. 12:13 PM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Lynn Matteson)
45. 12:33 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Lynn Matteson)
46. 12:36 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Lynn Matteson)
47. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Noel Loveys)
48. 01:03 PM - F-15 emergency landing (fox5flyer)
49. 01:11 PM - Re: Gary Buchanan, Flying Close Formation with King Air (Noel Loveys)
50. 01:12 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (wingnut)
51. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Sky King.... (Noel Loveys)
52. 01:22 PM - Prop pitch (Jacques Voynaud)
53. 01:27 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Marco Menezes)
54. 01:51 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Lynn Matteson)
55. 02:11 PM - Re: Prop pitch (JC Propeller Design)
56. 02:20 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Don G)
57. 02:24 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Don G)
58. 02:48 PM - Re: F-15 emergency landing (kirk hull)
59. 03:05 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (jeff puls)
60. 03:12 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Donroutledge@aol.com)
61. 03:14 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
62. 03:43 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
63. 03:54 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (wingnut)
64. 04:25 PM - Fly-in's illinois (Don G)
65. 04:26 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (GONER752@aol.com)
66. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Michael Logan)
67. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Lynn Matteson)
68. 04:46 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
69. 05:23 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Donroutledge@aol.com)
70. 06:17 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (wingnut)
71. 06:31 PM - FW: F-15 emergency landing (Jim Crowder)
72. 06:32 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Lynn Matteson)
73. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (patrick reilly)
74. 07:50 PM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Rexinator)
75. 08:41 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Noel Loveys)
76. 08:41 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (mscotter)
77. 08:42 PM - Re: Intercom (Rexinator)
78. 08:44 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
79. 08:46 PM - Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM (Noel Loveys)
80. 08:50 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Noel Loveys)
81. 08:51 PM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
rudderdancer wrote:
>
> Hi Don and Noel,
>
> I guess I remember watching the reruns since I saw them in the early 60's.
> I really enjoyed them too, along with watching The Roy Rogers, Dale Evans Show,
and Marx the Magic Man on Saturdays. That's when I remember we only had 3
or 4 channels to choose from. Then after watching those shows early on Saturdays,
it was outside for the rest of the day.
>
> I now live in Victorville, which is right next to Apple Valley, where many of
the Sky King stories were centered. The old Apple Valley Airport is no more,
but for a long time you could still make out the building locations and drive
on the old crumbling asphalt of the runway. The Apple Valley Inn still exists,
which was just across Hwy 18 from the old airport. I'm glad to hear Noel got
> to meet "Penny". It's neat to meet some of our old heroes and heroines.
> In the 80's I used to go to the same family doctor as Roy Rogers did, and one
day met him in the hallway with my younger children. What a nice man. I'll
never forget that.
>
> Happy Flying!
>
> --------
> Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
> rusty pilot.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170845#170845
>
>
>
WOW very interesting ,what a luckey DOG...Steve Shinabery N554KF
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Nick,
Go to your local Mercedes dealer and get part # 140-471-00-79 seal ring.
Works great !
Ed Grasso
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Scholtes
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gas Cap Gaskets
Hi KitFoxers!
I have a quick question, and I apologize in advance for not going
directly to the archives for this, as I'm sure this info is in the
archives somewhere.
Seems as though my gas caps are leaking, and the gaskets need to be
replaced. My question is: Where might I be able to find replacement
gaskets?
Thanks in advance!
Nick Scholtes
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| Subject: | Re: OT popular misconceptions |
Off the top of my head:
use an "a" before a word beginning with "a" consonant, and an "an"
before a word beginning with a vowel, (like "an" apple, an envelope,
an idiot, an orange, an uterus....ooops! that doesn't work, does it,
so add another sub-rule:
use an "an" if the word SOUNDS like a consonant like "you-terus"
so we have:
a tree, a runway, an airplane, a pilot, a passenger, an airport, a
gas can, a pre-flight checklist, an accident, a FFA report....did you
catch me? It should be "an" eff-FA report, shouldn't it?
Bear with me folks, I'm jus refreshing my lurnen' of da inglish lan-
guish. : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 18, 2008, at 5:33 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
> If I resided in a glass house, I would probably look up the proper
> use of "A" and "AN".
>
> My biggest problem is making my fingers say what my mind is thinking.
>
> Louie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170761#170761
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Onus or Otis? |
No problem, John, and just to show how the English language is all
messed up, take this example:
If you take your sentence below...."Here's a URL".....and mentally
said the word URL as "earl" then the word "an" should have preceded
it, as in "here's an earl" , but if you say each letter of the
acronym "URL" individually, then the sentence needs the word/letter
"a" proceeding the "you" "are" "ell", as in "Here's a you-are-ell"
It's no wonder that this language that we speak is so convoluted and
hard to learn.
Do you suppose that the extra year extension of this requirement will
see millions of us running to get educated so as to meet that
requirement? : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:18 PM, John W. Hart wrote:
> <helili@chahtatushka.net>
>
> Lynn,
> Here's a URL
> (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/
> english_profi
> ciency/) that says, "The ability to read, speak, write, and understand
> English is already a U.S. regulatory eligibility requirement." To
> operate
> internationally with a US pilot certificate of Private, Commercial,
> or ATP,
> beginning March 5, 2008 we now are required to have that "English
> proficient" endorsement on our pilot certificates. The US has filed a
> difference with ICAO to extend that requirement to March 5, 2009.
>
> I just threw this in for humor, and to show the irony that exists in
> aviation. It is not meant to nitpick or sharpshoot.
> John Hart
> Wilburton, OK
> Model IV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:37 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Onus or Otis?
>
>
> If I only had a nickel for every time I had to bite my tongue over
> some of the wording, misspelling, punctuation, etc., of some of the
> posts I've read here, and I know I've added a few myself. Sometimes I
> wonder how some of us got to be pilots...thank God the knowledge test
> didn't require proper English, or writing skills. Wait a
> minute....maybe if it did, they'd weed out a few more pilots. : )
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Cap Gaskets |
just had the same problem. got mine from Kitfox along with a spare cap also.
David Model 7,3
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
When I did this very same job, I drove the old bearings out with a
punch driven from the opposite side. If you are trying to save the
bearings, only drive against the outer bearing race. If you don't
care, you can drive against the inner race, but be sure to vary the
location of where you are driving, so as to not cock the bearing in
the bore. As I recall, I ground a notch on either side of the bearing
bore....in the wheel itself....so future bearing removals will go
easier without damage.
If bearings are not available with the proper ID for your 0.500"
axle...my bearing dealer couldn't find them...here's what I did. I
used a length of steel tubing that fit the shaft, and the bearings,
and cut it to a length equal to the distance measured between the
outside of the new bearings installed into the new Spruce wheel PLUS
about 5 thousandths of an inch...0.005".....This extra length will
allow the nut and washer to tighten onto the sleeve, and not the
inner race of the bearings, which will put a sideways load on those
bearings and ruin them after a while. Ideally, this inner sleeve
would have a sleeve slipped over it, its length equal to the
measurement between the inner races of the bearings. Then the
tightening of the nut onto the axle would put pressure against the
inner race of the outer bearing, against the sleeve, then against the
inner race of the inner bearing. In practice however, I've found that
this elaborateness (if that's a word) isn't necessary.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 18, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> I have the original Maule tailwheel on my model 2. I purchased a
> Homebuilders tailwheel from Aircraft Spruce and I'm going to a
> bearing supply shop tomorrow to buy bearings. I've checked the
> archives for any details to prepare myself better to present my
> problem. I'll be taking the new tailwheel with me with the included
> bearing still installed since I don't have the proper tools to
> remove them. I want to replace them with better bearings sized to
> fit the 0.5 inch axle. Has anyone pressed or pulled these bearings
> out? What tools would I need? Perhaps the bearing shop will offer
> R&R services. I may stop at the local Harbor Freight Tools for an
> Arbor press and other appropriate tools anyway. Any advice would be
> appreciated.
> I plan to document the swap for a future Kitfox Wiki article.
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
I'm keeping my big mouth shut on this whole idle rpm-short landing-
rattling dogclutch-whatever discussion, because I don't want a bunch
of other fliers to enjoy the benefits of flying behind an engine that
doesn't have these problems...others maybe, but that's another
story. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 18, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Don G wrote:
>
> Ken....I absolutely love this engine...If the FAA would allow
> it...I would put one on the front of My Luscombe and ditch the
> Continental in a heart beat.
> I got my first rating in the 70's and have time behind alot of
> recips from 4's and 6's , radials to v-12's and despite it nuances,
> the 912 is in my opinion the best engine for its class I have ever
> operated...takes throttle like motorcycle, runs the smoothest of
> anything this side of a turbine, and burns so little fuel. I kinda
> miss the brakeing effect of a "regular engine when you pull the
> throttle back...but I wouldn't trade it because of all the other
> great features.
>
> And I have only about 80 hours behind it...probably made up my mind
> in the first 10
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170826#170826
>
>
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| Subject: | Need measurement |
I'll be receiving my kit soon and want to build saw horses to keep the fuse level.
What is the height from the bottom of the cabin to the bottom of the tail?
--------
Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Waiting on delivery
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| Subject: | Need measurement |
Jorge, An engine stand bracketed to the towbar and tailwheel mounts on the
rear with a wooden H frame on the firewall will allow you to rotate the fus
alage.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford> Subject: Kitfox-List: Need measurement> From: jlfernan@bellsouth.
net> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:53:59 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
I'll be receiving my kit soon and want to build saw horses to keep the fus
e level. What is the height from the bottom of the cabin to the bottom of t
he tail?> > --------> Jorge Fernandez> Supersport> Waiting on delivery> > >
> > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
php?p=170888#170888> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com
===========> > >
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| Subject: | Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Lynn, Just finished completing this job on my tail wheel per your instructi
on. Looks good.
Do not archieve
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford,IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders
special tailwheel swap> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:39:53 -0400> To: kitfox-
nmatt@jps.net>> > When I did this very same job, I drove the old bearings o
ut with a > punch driven from the opposite side. If you are trying to save
the > bearings, only drive against the outer bearing race. If you don't > c
are, you can drive against the inner race, but be sure to vary the > locati
on of where you are driving, so as to not cock the bearing in > the bore. A
s I recall, I ground a notch on either side of the bearing > bore....in the
wheel itself....so future bearing removals will go > easier without damage
.> > If bearings are not available with the proper ID for your 0.500" > axl
e...my bearing dealer couldn't find them...here's what I did. I > used a le
ngth of steel tubing that fit the shaft, and the bearings, > and cut it to
a length equal to the distance measured between the > outside of the new be
arings installed into the new Spruce wheel PLUS > about 5 thousandths of an
inch...0.005".....This extra length will > allow the nut and washer to tig
hten onto the sleeve, and not the > inner race of the bearings, which will
put a sideways load on those > bearings and ruin them after a while. Ideall
y, this inner sleeve > would have a sleeve slipped over it, its length equa
l to the > measurement between the inner races of the bearings. Then the >
tightening of the nut onto the axle would put pressure against the > inner
race of the outer bearing, against the sleeve, then against the > inner rac
e of the inner bearing. In practice however, I've found that > this elabora
teness (if that's a word) isn't necessary.> > > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake,
Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/480+ hrs> > On Mar 18
, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Rexinator wrote:> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by
: Rexinator <hefferans@gmail.com>> >> > I have the original Maule tailwheel
on my model 2. I purchased a > > Homebuilders tailwheel from Aircraft Spru
ce and I'm going to a > > bearing supply shop tomorrow to buy bearings. I'v
e checked the > > archives for any details to prepare myself better to pres
ent my > > problem. I'll be taking the new tailwheel with me with the inclu
ded > > bearing still installed since I don't have the proper tools to > >
remove them. I want to replace them with better bearings sized to > > fit t
he 0.5 inch axle. Has anyone pressed or pulled these bearings > > out? What
tools would I need? Perhaps the bearing shop will offer > > R&R services.
I may stop at the local Harbor Freight Tools for an > > Arbor press and oth
er appropriate tools anyway. Any advice would be > > appreciated.> > I plan
to document the swap for a future Kitfox Wiki article.> >> > -- > > Rex He
fferan> > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs> >> >> >> >> >
-========================
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: OT popular misconceptions |
I don't recall learning rules for much of the grammar I use, I'm sure I
did and continue to do it sub-consciously. As an adult I think I just
use what I read and parse the most common as correct. It also creates a
sense of what sounds wrong. I can't help noticing things (usually) when
they look wrong.
This nitpicking brings up an additional reason why I posted this
subject. Since it is true that mistakes in aviation can have very
dangerous consequences. In a perfect world we would be able to
constantly reinforce our "correct" knowledge of anything however we
experience it. Seeing (reading) and Hearing being the most important in
this case. With the Internet there seems to be too many people that
don't care about presenting correct information or intentionally wish to
mislead. I feel this contributes to problems in learning for the young
or foreign reader learning a new language. I once had training in proper
instruction techniques and the concepts continue to influence me. Since
we have plenty of pilots on this List which use English as a 2nd
language and may still be struggling to learn it, I hope for correctness
on this list for their benefit and those around them.
On reflection, I expect those foreign pilots are always well above
average intelligence and can look out for themselves. Never mind. :-)
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado
do not archive
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Off the top of my head:
> use an "a" before a word beginning with "a" consonant, and an "an"
> before a word beginning with a vowel, (like "an" apple, an envelope,
> an idiot, an orange, an uterus....ooops! that doesn't work, does it,
> so add another sub-rule:
>
> use an "an" if the word SOUNDS like a consonant like "you-terus"
> so we have:
> a tree, a runway, an airplane, a pilot, a passenger, an airport, a
> gas can, a pre-flight checklist, an accident, a FFA report....did you
> catch me? It should be "an" eff-FA report, shouldn't it?
> Bear with me folks, I'm jus refreshing my lurnen' of da inglish lan-
> guish. : )
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Mar 18, 2008, at 5:33 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
>>
>> If I resided in a glass house, I would probably look up the proper
>> use of "A" and "AN".
>>
>> My biggest problem is making my fingers say what my mind is thinking.
>>
>> Louie
>
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| Subject: | Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Rex,Aircraft Spruce sells a pair of sealed bearings for $4.95 for that whee
l. I just put them in per Lynn Matteson's instructions. The tubing you need
to make a bushing is ACS part # 03-03900. Buy 1 foot of it . You will have
to file and emery paper the OD a couple of thousands to get it to fit. Do
it before you cut to length so you can hold it in a vice.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford,IL> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:47:23 -0600> To: kitfox-list@matroni
cs.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap> From: he
s@gmail.com>> > I have the original Maule tailwheel on my model 2. I purcha
sed a > Homebuilders tailwheel from Aircraft Spruce and I'm going to a bear
ing > supply shop tomorrow to buy bearings. I've checked the archives for a
ny > details to prepare myself better to present my problem. I'll be taking
> the new tailwheel with me with the included bearing still installed > si
nce I don't have the proper tools to remove them. I want to replace > them
with better bearings sized to fit the 0.5 inch axle. Has anyone > pressed o
r pulled these bearings out? What tools would I need? Perhaps > the bearing
shop will offer R&R services. I may stop at the local Harbor > Freight Too
ls for an Arbor press and other appropriate tools anyway. Any > advice woul
d be appreciated.> I plan to document the swap for a future Kitfox Wiki art
icle.> > -- > Rex Hefferan> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repa
===> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Lynn, and all the gang..
I must readily admit I have never had the privilege to operate a machine with a
Jabiru. I surely hope to some day, as it is undoubtedly the prettiest piece of
machine work I have seen to date as a production item.
And the words that You spoke Lynn, that there is " another story" are words well
chosen.
Someday, Lord willing, I hope to experience this engine, with its fine reputation,
beautiful machine work, and elegant simplicity. I may then change my opinion.
For opinions are only the product of our experiences.
At current price levels..one thing I am fairly sure of, I will never be able to
build a craft and install a 912 on it. For Part of the "other story" is the
way Rotax has raised their priced to exorbitant levels in the last few years.
Completely unreasonable I think. As I work for an Engine company that produces
most of our Engines outside the United States, AND we have not had to raise prices
for 4 or 5 years, I consider their behavior nothing less than extortion.
They are subject to the same rescource/supply conditions we are for production.
I will also say this..the first company to hit the market with a regular production
of a fully fadec controlled 100hp class aircraft engine of a current design,
with computer controlled fuel mapping and ingition, will take the lead very
quickly. It also looks to me like the next logical evolution Jab would be to
add these simple and economical features. That Engine is just perfect for it.
ANd A KitFox airframe the perfect mount.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Thanks Lynn,
I did attempt to punch out the bearings, but didn't want to strike hard
enough and figured I would wait until I got appropriate tools. All of
your advice will be in my documentation too.
Another question: Did you do anything to create a grease seal?
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> When I did this very same job, I drove the old bearings out with a
> punch driven from the opposite side. If you are trying to save the
> bearings, only drive against the outer bearing race. If you don't
> care, you can drive against the inner race, but be sure to vary the
> location of where you are driving, so as to not cock the bearing in
> the bore. As I recall, I ground a notch on either side of the bearing
> bore....in the wheel itself....so future bearing removals will go
> easier without damage.
>
> If bearings are not available with the proper ID for your 0.500"
> axle...my bearing dealer couldn't find them...here's what I did. I
> used a length of steel tubing that fit the shaft, and the bearings,
> and cut it to a length equal to the distance measured between the
> outside of the new bearings installed into the new Spruce wheel PLUS
> about 5 thousandths of an inch...0.005".....This extra length will
> allow the nut and washer to tighten onto the sleeve, and not the
> inner race of the bearings, which will put a sideways load on those
> bearings and ruin them after a while. Ideally, this inner sleeve
> would have a sleeve slipped over it, its length equal to the
> measurement between the inner races of the bearings. Then the
> tightening of the nut onto the axle would put pressure against the
> inner race of the outer bearing, against the sleeve, then against the
> inner race of the inner bearing. In practice however, I've found that
> this elaborateness (if that's a word) isn't necessary.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
>
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Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 with a 582 Rotax engine and want to
know what panel mounted intercom to install. I will be using an Icom
A200 radio if that makes any difference. I am concerned about high noise
level and squelech ability. What one should I use? Anybody out there
have a good used one for sale?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
Rudderdancer,
I work for folks from Apple Valley who still have business and homes
there (Jess Ranch). They lived near Roy Rogers and were friends. My job
with them is part time innkeeping in Cripple Creek, CO. This Inn has a
Roy Rogers suite and I'm surprised how many visitors we get who comment
on how much they liked the character. I too remember watching those
shows as a child and think about the influences they had on me. I'll
have to find time to watch some again on that site.
If anyone finds themselves in Cripple Creek someday please drop by for
a free tour of the Carr Manor (carrmanor.com). I can offer a special
price for friends if you decide to stay the night. I'm not there all the
time so contact me for arrangements.
Rex
Colorado
do not archive
rudderdancer wrote:
>
>Hi Don and Noel,
>
>I guess I remember watching the reruns since I saw them in the early 60's.
>I really enjoyed them too, along with watching The Roy Rogers, Dale Evans Show,
and Marx the Magic Man on Saturdays. That's when I remember we only had 3 or
4 channels to choose from. Then after watching those shows early on Saturdays,
it was outside for the rest of the day.
>
>I now live in Victorville, which is right next to Apple Valley, where many of
the Sky King stories were centered. The old Apple Valley Airport is no more,
but for a long time you could still make out the building locations and drive
on the old crumbling asphalt of the runway. The Apple Valley Inn still exists,
which was just across Hwy 18 from the old airport. I'm glad to hear Noel got
>to meet "Penny". It's neat to meet some of our old heroes and heroines.
>In the 80's I used to go to the same family doctor as Roy Rogers did, and one
day met him in the hallway with my younger children. What a nice man. I'll never
forget that.
>
>Happy Flying!
>
>--------
>Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
>rusty pilot.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Don G it sounds like your background in aviation is similar to mine. I also
have a bunch of round engine and high performance jet time. No matter which
airplane you fly though, they are all different and you learn from each. Case
in point is the Rotax 912 on the nose of the Kitfox. I am learning it's
differences from a standard aircraft engine. I think it is more akin to a modern
motorcycle engine. Now don't get me wrong, I am learning to like this engine but
it is weird in comparison to Lyc or Cont or just about any other aircraft
engine. I went to Lockwood's school so I could work on it and I now feel
comfortable with it.
Mike G is having great success with his Kitfox slowing on final approach, I
suspect, because he has a controllable pitch prop. I don't have that luxury
and because I want to stay in the LSA catagory,I can't have. But, I have
reduced the idle down to a level where it runs on final and I can slow the aircraft.
It is much better now.
I don't have an elevator trim on my aircraft so I have to hold quite a bit
of back pressure to hold a slower airspeed, monitor and adjust the engine rpm
so it doesn't quit and of course land the airplane. It's just some additional
items I didn't have to do in my
Luscombe,Pacer,Monocoupe,Waco,Pitts,KR2,Taylor Monoplane,Cessna 120,Starduster
Two,Skybolt,etc (I have had a few airplanes)
but no big deal.
I will soon be getting a trim system so that will help my flying experience
(as they say) Maybe I will be able to use the flaps more (or at all without
being"Popeye") I love my Kitfox ! It is great getting back to basic flying,
hopping off the ground in a few feet, looking at all the neat stuff on the
ground, no passengers, cool airports to land on, no flight attendents,sipping
fuel, listening to smooth jazz at your hanger while working on your Kitfox,only
having to fly when the weather is good, no flight attendents,drinking beer when
you are done flying and doing more hanger flying.(wish Florida had mountains
though. It pretty well sucks here in the summer! I miss Colorado)
To finish off my big dissertation want to thank you guys for all of your
input on this aircraft. I would have never found out about Kreem coming loose in
the tanks (I now have a borescope and monitor it),solutions for fuel spilling
out carb intakes, and a host of other things. I have owned my Kitfox 4 for
only 5 months and have flown it for 20 hours. I have a lot to learn!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Rotax912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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> Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 with a 582 Rotax engine and want to know what
panel mounted intercom to install. I will be using an Icom A200 radio if that
makes any difference. I am concerned about high noise level and squelech ability.
What one should I use? Anybody out there have a good used one for sale?
Pat, Sigtronics has one that is supposed to be for high noise environments.
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Intercoms/Sigtronics.html
My Kitfox is noisy in the cabin with that 2 stroke screaming out there. It's funny
people sometimes comment how quiet it is when I fly over. Anyhow, I have
a Comtronics but havent tried it yet. I will be anxious to see if anyone has
some tips for dealing with the noise.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Need measurement |
Jorge, do you know any measurements from the fuselage that you can use to establish
a scale for the drawing you posted and measure from that. when I was building
I built one high saw horse and just slid it foreward from the tail until
the fuselage was level.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Pat,
I have a Sigtronics SPA-400 and RES-2 Audio Switcher with Sigtronics
stereo headset. I also have an A200 radio. I don't have any real
experience with it however since it came installed in the damaged model
2 I bought to restore. So far I've only powered the panel to check the
radio and listened to ATIS. My plane has similar components to yours and
I think it should work well. The original builder I bought it from
seemed to like it.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Pat Reilly wrote:
> Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 with a 582 Rotax engine and want to
> know what panel mounted intercom to install. I will be using an Icom
> A200 radio if that makes any difference. I am concerned about high
> noise level and squelech ability. What one should I use? Anybody out
> there have a good used one for sale?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air cooled
with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA expo. It looks like a
Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and is made in Belgium. I talked to the
guy about it a little and it is new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It
is a terrific looking engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a
brochure somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are interested.
I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and my Kitfox did not
already have the Rotax 912
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: OT popular misconceptions |
I love the internet. I googled A vs AN, and there it was, the answer to this burning question, You can learn EVERYTHING there is to know about it at http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/a-versus-an.aspx.
Now I can get back to the important things, like which prop to buy, is automotive
paint suitable for our applications, to fly with the doors on or off, the cows
don't care if you buzz them, why should the FAA. You know, the important
"stuff"
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Sounds like the UL260i Jim Chuk Avids Mn
From: Catz631@aol.comDate: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:14 -0400Subject: Re: Kitf
ox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air cooled
with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA expo. It looks like
a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and is made in Belgium. I talked
to the guy about it a little and it is new and is in a few homebuilts in t
he US. It is a terrific looking engine and would be well suited to our airc
raft. I have a brochure somewhere and I will try to find out the name if yo
u are interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and my
Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Hey Don-
How "central" are you in Central Illinios? (answer directly if you
prefer) With all the fly-ins that Fly-ins.com is promoting around
Illinois, I'll be going to some of them, and maybe we could hook up
there. I'd like to get to meet you, Pat Reilly, Nick Scholtes,
and....I'm blanking out here....others from around this
area....Cushing Field comes to mind.
I've mentioned here some of the Jabiru issues I've had before, and I
think the factory has either done something about it, (not
necessarily due to my input, by any means) or I've educated myself in
the problem area. I think all engines have a learning curve, and
maybe their owners do as well, I know that I do.
One of the issues that I've had to deal with is the ignition area of
the Jabiru, and I'm currently looking into a different source in that
department.
Like you, Don, I think the Jab is so pretty, I'd like to run around
with the "hood" off, like the aviation equivalent of a '32 roadster,
sans bonnet. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Don G wrote:
>
> Lynn, and all the gang..
>
> I must readily admit I have never had the privilege to operate a
> machine with a Jabiru. I surely hope to some day, as it is
> undoubtedly the prettiest piece of machine work I have seen to date
> as a production item.
> And the words that You spoke Lynn, that there is " another story"
> are words well chosen.
> Someday, Lord willing, I hope to experience this engine, with its
> fine reputation, beautiful machine work, and elegant simplicity. I
> may then change my opinion. For opinions are only the product of
> our experiences.
>
>
> At current price levels..one thing I am fairly sure of, I will
> never be able to build a craft and install a 912 on it. For Part
> of the "other story" is the way Rotax has raised their priced to
> exorbitant levels in the last few years. Completely unreasonable I
> think. As I work for an Engine company that produces most of our
> Engines outside the United States, AND we have not had to raise
> prices for 4 or 5 years, I consider their behavior nothing less
> than extortion. They are subject to the same rescource/supply
> conditions we are for production.
>
> I will also say this..the first company to hit the market with a
> regular production of a fully fadec controlled 100hp class aircraft
> engine of a current design, with computer controlled fuel mapping
> and ingition, will take the lead very quickly. It also looks to me
> like the next logical evolution Jab would be to add these simple
> and economical features. That Engine is just perfect for it. ANd A
> KitFox airframe the perfect mount.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Cap Gaskets |
Go to the auto parts store and buy some gasket material. That's what I did
and I have been using the ones I made for 3 years now with no leaks.
Plus I got enough material to replace them from time to time for the life
of the plane.
Five minutes work with an exacto knife.
Jeff.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
No grease seal. I left the felt washer in place against the back side
of the wheel, and as I recall, the bearings I got were sealed on the
outside...maybe even lifetime greased/sealed. See my post of March
13, for a picture of the new wheel under " Trailering my Kitfox/
tailwheel"
If I could ever get to cleaning up my "nest", I might find some of
the paperwork including the bills and part numbers for the stuff I
put into the plane. : )
Lynn
On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Rexinator wrote:
> Thanks Lynn,
> I did attempt to punch out the bearings, but didn't want to strike
> hard enough and figured I would wait until I got appropriate tools.
> All of your advice will be in my documentation too.
> Another question: Did you do anything to create a grease seal?
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>>
>> When I did this very same job, I drove the old bearings out with
>> a punch driven from the opposite side. If you are trying to save
>> the bearings, only drive against the outer bearing race. If you
>> don't care, you can drive against the inner race, but be sure to
>> vary the location of where you are driving, so as to not cock the
>> bearing in the bore. As I recall, I ground a notch on either side
>> of the bearing bore....in the wheel itself....so future bearing
>> removals will go easier without damage.
>>
>> If bearings are not available with the proper ID for your 0.500"
>> axle...my bearing dealer couldn't find them...here's what I did.
>> I used a length of steel tubing that fit the shaft, and the
>> bearings, and cut it to a length equal to the distance measured
>> between the outside of the new bearings installed into the new
>> Spruce wheel PLUS about 5 thousandths of an inch...
>> 0.005".....This extra length will allow the nut and washer to
>> tighten onto the sleeve, and not the inner race of the bearings,
>> which will put a sideways load on those bearings and ruin them
>> after a while. Ideally, this inner sleeve would have a sleeve
>> slipped over it, its length equal to the measurement between the
>> inner races of the bearings. Then the tightening of the nut onto
>> the axle would put pressure against the inner race of the outer
>> bearing, against the sleeve, then against the inner race of the
>> inner bearing. In practice however, I've found that this
>> elaborateness (if that's a word) isn't necessary.
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Grass Lake, Michigan
>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> flying w/480+ hrs
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need measurement |
This would not be a good suggestion for climbing in and out of the
fuselage, but food for thought:
When it came time to cover and paint my fuselage, I rigged a tic-
tac-toe device like shown in the Poly-Fiber manual, page 61, and
similar to what Pat Reilly suggested, and at the tail I rigged an
overhead cable and pulley arrangement, so that I could raise and
lower the tail according to what position the fuselage was in at the
time. The cable attached to the fuse using one of the rudder
attaching holes in the fuse vertical. The cable ran up over a pulley
in the ceiling, to a pulley on the wall, then down to a crank and
drum to wind the cable on. This allowed me to rotate the fuselage to
every 45 position radially speaking, about the centerline of the
fuse. The tic-tac-toe device is bolted to the fuse using the engine
mount holes. I first bolted on a piece of 1/2" plywood to the fuse,
then screwed the 2x4's to that. You have to make the lengths of 2x4's
long enough to enable the fuse to rotate without allowing the corners
of the fuse, or the vertical fin, to touch the floor. You could also
use just the plywood if it was large enough.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> Jorge, do you know any measurements from the fuselage that you can
> use to establish a scale for the drawing you posted and measure
> from that. when I was building I built one high saw horse and just
> slid it foreward from the tail until the fuselage was level.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170939#170939
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
I'm blanking out here..what's Fadec stand for? Fuel and ? engine
control? Something else?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air
> cooled with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA
> expo. It looks like a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and
> is made in Belgium. I talked to the guy about it a little and it is
> new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It is a terrific looking
> engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a brochure
> somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are
> interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and
> my Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
>
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
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| Subject: | Re: OT popular misconceptions |
Good job, vetdrem! And here is the key passage from my visit to that
site:
***************
Other letters can also be pronounced either way. Just remember it is
the sound that governs whether you use a or an, not the actual first
letter of the word.
***************
After that my eyes started to glaze over...
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:41 AM, vetdrem wrote:
>
> I love the internet. I googled A vs AN, and there it was, the
> answer to this burning question, You can learn EVERYTHING there is
> to know about it at http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/a-versus-
> an.aspx.
>
> Now I can get back to the important things, like which prop to buy,
> is automotive paint suitable for our applications, to fly with the
> doors on or off, the cows don't care if you buzz them, why should
> the FAA. You know, the important "stuff"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170952#170952
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
At 07:25 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote:
>For Part of the "other story" is the way Rotax has raised their
>priced to exorbitant levels in the last few years. Completely
>unreasonable I think. As I work for an Engine company that produces
>most of our Engines outside the United States, AND we have not had
>to raise prices for 4 or 5 years, I consider their behavior nothing
>less than extortion. They are subject to the same rescource/supply
>conditions we are for production.
How much is the price increase, and how much is the dollar
drop? I can remember, in the not too distant past, when the dollar
was at parity with the Euro. We're down to, what, $1.60 to the Euro?
That would be a 60% price increase right there.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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At 08:24 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote:
>I have a Sigtronics SPA-400 and RES-2 Audio Switcher with Sigtronics
>stereo headset. I also have an A200 radio. I don't have any real
>experience with it however since it came installed in the damaged
>model 2 I bought to restore. So far I've only powered the panel to
>check the radio and listened to ATIS. My plane has similar
>components to yours and I think it should work well. The original
>builder I bought it from seemed to like it.
I'm very happy with my SPA-400 and A200. The only thing I
would do over would be to pay more attention to wire routing, keeping
all electrical power generation wires well away from anything to do
with avionics. I've got a little alternator whine.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Yes, and they are muti-bucks, aren't they? I think if we wait long
enough, the ideal engine will come along, but in the meantime there's
fuel to burn and planes to fly, so we've got to make a decision as to
which one of the "almost there" engines to choose from.
Lynn
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On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> Sounds like the UL260i Jim Chuk Avids Mn
>
> From: Catz631@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air
> cooled with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA
> expo. It looks like a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and
> is made in Belgium. I talked to the guy about it a little and it is
> new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It is a terrific looking
> engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a brochure
> somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are
> interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and
> my Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
>
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
> arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp://
> forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now!_-
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
Jim Hendrix from Oxaero www.oxaero.com has added a picture of our Vixen to his website and a link to the installation pictures. This is the link to his site and the autopilots: http://www.oxaero.com/TruTrak-AutoPilots.asp Scroll down to the the ADI II for the link to the file. You will see our blue Vixen on the left side of the page.
Travis :)
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
IFR with Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Hi Lynn,
I've been researching the archives and found several posts about the
swap including that one. I'm compiling the pertinent details and will
use that and my learning experience as I do it myself to create the
content for the Wiki.
I also thought I might reuse the Maule felt washer and maybe get
another for the other side. The small gap between the tube spacer and
inner bearing races will permit some grease to slowly migrate and fling
if you used bearing that required adding grease inside the hub. The
Maule 3 screw hub cap certainly kept that side clean. I haven't yet put
much thought into that. However, with lifetime grease/sealed bearings we
shouldn't need a grease seal. I'm thinking about how modern motorcycle
wheels are put together and they go many thousands of miles without
bearing service.
Lowell posted http://www.bocabearings.com/ and p/n: R1621-2RSNR for
about $18 each, which seem to meet all the requirements. I would still
need to fabricate an interior spacer to be installed between the inner
bearing races. On my way to the bearing shop.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> No grease seal. I left the felt washer in place against the back side
> of the wheel, and as I recall, the bearings I got were sealed on the
> outside...maybe even lifetime greased/sealed. See my post of March
> 13, for a picture of the new wheel under " Trailering my Kitfox/
> tailwheel"
> If I could ever get to cleaning up my "nest", I might find some of
> the paperwork including the bills and part numbers for the stuff I
> put into the plane. : )
>
> Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year we camped in
the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year we are returning to our
rootsof many years ago and land and camp in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly
Sport Planes). That is a little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile, AL on Friday,
4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. Well land at Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest
of Tallahassee) for fuel and a short break. From there we will fly direct
to SNF. Our departure from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return
flight back home.
Do we have any other Kitfoxs on the forum that will be flying (or driving) to SNF?
If so, please share your plans! If your route of travel will be taking you
through LA (Lower Alabama) we will be happy to provide ground transportation
for meals, hotels, etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
We fly out of a private strip, 1,800 (not on sectional) that is located about 16
miles southeast of Mobile Regional Airport, MOB. I will provide GPS coordinates,
pictures, etc of our airport for anyone that is interested.
Travis
:D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
IFR with Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Lynn, Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC). ulpower.com has info on
that engine. Leon Morris/Classic 4/60%/ Flower Mound,TX
---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> I'm blanking out here..what's Fadec stand for? Fuel and ? engine
> control? Something else?
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air
> > cooled with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA
> > expo. It looks like a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and
> > is made in Belgium. I talked to the guy about it a little and it is
> > new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It is a terrific looking
> > engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a brochure
> > somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are
> > interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and
> > my Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
> >
> > Dick Maddux
> > Fox 4-1200
> > Pensacola,Fl
> >
> >
> >
> > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
> > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> > ===========================================================
>
>
>
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Rex, What is a RES Audio switcher? Do not archieve
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford , IL> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:24:50 -0600> To: kitfox-list@matro
nics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Intercom> From: hefferans@gmail.com> >
I have a Sigtronics SPA-400 and RES-2 Audio Switcher with Sigtronics > ste
reo headset. I also have an A200 radio. I don't have any real > experience
with it however since it came installed in the damaged model > 2 I bought t
o restore. So far I've only powered the panel to check the > radio and list
ened to ATIS. My plane has similar components to yours and > I think it sho
uld work well. The original builder I bought it from > seemed to like it.>
> --> Rex Hefferan> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs> > >
> Pat Reilly wrote:> > > Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 with a 582 Rot
ax engine and want to > > know what panel mounted intercom to install. I wi
ll be using an Icom > > A200 radio if that makes any difference. I am conce
rned about high > > noise level and squelech ability. What one should I use
? Anybody out > > there have a good used one for sale?> > > > Pat Reilly> >
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I went to my local hardware store an bought a new bayonet mount gas cap. I
drilled it an soldered in a short piece of stem tubing for a toilet (it was
chromed like the cap) and bent it forward once installed... Total cost
about $5.00
A word to the wise is the bayonet type of gas cap is quickly disappearing
but they do come with the gaskets installed! I won't say what happened to
my old gas cap only I didn't fly without a cap.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ED GRASSO
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gas Cap Gaskets
Nick,
Go to your local Mercedes dealer and get part # 140-471-00-79 seal ring.
Works great !
Ed Grasso
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Scholtes
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gas Cap Gaskets
Hi KitFoxers!
I have a quick question, and I apologize in advance for not going
directly to the archives for this, as I'm sure this info is in the
archives somewhere.
Seems as though my gas caps are leaking, and the gaskets need to be
replaced. My question is: Where might I be able to find replacement
gaskets?
Thanks in advance!
Nick Scholtes
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
My plans aren't solid but I'll be leaving from 34A and was thinking of stopping
somewhere near Jacksonville. This will be my first time so if anyone has any
tips...
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Tom, Thanks for the info. I saw that intercom in ACS catalog. I was hoping
to find a used intercom, but will probably end up with a new one of those.
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Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Intercom> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > > > Ki
tfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 with a 582 Rotax engine and want to know w
hat panel mounted intercom to install. I will be using an Icom A200 radio i
f that makes any difference. I am concerned about high noise level and sque
lech ability. What one should I use? Anybody out there have a good used one
for sale? > > > Pat, Sigtronics has one that is supposed to be for high no
ise environments.> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Intercoms/S
igtronics.html> My Kitfox is noisy in the cabin with that 2 stroke screamin
g out there. It's funny people sometimes comment how quiet it is when I fly
over. Anyhow, I have a Comtronics but havent tried it yet. I will be anxio
us to see if anyone has some tips for dealing with the noise.> > -------->
Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> >
> > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopi
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| Subject: | Re: RRe: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
I knew it! I just knew he was still alive! Now we just gotta find Elvis.
Deke
do not archive
>
> Jim Hendrix from Oxaero www.oxaero.com has added a picture of our Vixen to
> his website and a link to the installation pictures. This is the link to
> his site and the autopilots: http://www.oxaero.com/TruTrak-AutoPilots.asp
> Scroll down to the the ADI II for the link to the file. You will see our
> blue Vixen on the left side of the page.
>
> Travis :)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Luis,
Are you camping or hoteling? Have you read the NOTAM for arrival and departure procedures? This is a link to the NOTAM: http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/notices/media/sun-n-fun.pdf
We will be camping with the plane in the Ultralight area.
Travis :D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
IFR with Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Rex, Just get the bearings from aircraft Spruce, that they have in the cata
log next to the homebuilt wheel. As I said previously they are $4.95 a pair
! They are sealed bearings . No additional seals or greasing required.
Do not archive
Pat Reilly> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:00:59 -0600> To: kitfox-list@matronic
s.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap> From:
rans@gmail.com>> > Hi Lynn,> I've been researching the archives and found s
everal posts about the > swap including that one. I'm compiling the pertine
nt details and will > use that and my learning experience as I do it myself
to create the > content for the Wiki.> I also thought I might reuse the Ma
ule felt washer and maybe get > another for the other side. The small gap b
etween the tube spacer and > inner bearing races will permit some grease to
slowly migrate and fling > if you used bearing that required adding grease
inside the hub. The > Maule 3 screw hub cap certainly kept that side clean
. I haven't yet put > much thought into that. However, with lifetime grease
/sealed bearings we > shouldn't need a grease seal. I'm thinking about how
modern motorcycle > wheels are put together and they go many thousands of m
iles without > bearing service.> Lowell posted http://www.bocabearings.com/
and p/n: R1621-2RSNR for > about $18 each, which seem to meet all the requ
irements. I would still > need to fabricate an interior spacer to be instal
led between the inner > bearing races. On my way to the bearing shop.> > --
> Rex Hefferan> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs> > > Ly
ynnmatt@jps.net>> >> > No grease seal. I left the felt washer in place agai
nst the back side > > of the wheel, and as I recall, the bearings I got wer
e sealed on the > > outside...maybe even lifetime greased/sealed. See my po
st of March > > 13, for a picture of the new wheel under " Trailering my Ki
tfox/ > > tailwheel"> > If I could ever get to cleaning up my "nest", I mig
ht find some of > > the paperwork including the bills and part numbers for
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Rex-
I'm not sure what you meant by "The small gap between the tube spacer
and inner bearing races"... The way I did it, there is no small gap.
The tube I used is 5/8" OD and 1/2" ID, and is meant to be used as a
"shim" between the size of the shaft...1/2", and the ID of the
bearings that I got, which was 5/8". The bearings that you cited are
already 1/2" ID, so the tube spacer is not required as a shim or
sleeve. If you are using those Boca bearings that you mentioned, no
sleeve is needed, but maybe you are using it to prevent the inner
races of the two bearings from undo stress or load, if the nut is
tightened too much. That is a good idea. But in that circumstance,
there should be no gap as you mentioned. Am I reading you right?
By the way, for those that haven't done this Spruce Homebuilder's
tailwheel swap, the bearings that come...or at least those that came
with my tailwheel from Spruce...are bad news, in that they are rough
to the feel when turned, and when my departed bearing guy looked up
the load application, he said they were meant for the speed of a hand
truck, or loading dolly. And they were Heim bearings....once a good
name in bearings and maybe still so, but these particular bearings
don't belong in the tailwheel of our airplanes. These particular
bearings have a sleeve in them which takes the ID down to 1/2", and
when replacing these Heim bearings, I could find the proper 1.375" OD
bearing, but not the .500" ID. The only bearing that was available to
the bearing dealer that I dealt with was the 1.375" ID, but with .
625" ID, hence my use of the shim/sleeve to make up the difference in
diameters between the bearing ID and axle OD. Then, just to simplify
matters, I made the sleeve sort of become a "diameter-increasing"
sleeve for the axle, and slid the wheel onto it. My nut then bears
upon this sleeve, and does not put a sideways load on the inner race
of the bearings. This is what must be avoided. There can be no
sideways load on a normal ball bearing. Some ball bearings are
designed to have a slight load on them, but I don't think they are in
the $18 range for this size bearing.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
> I've been researching the archives and found several posts about
> the swap including that one. I'm compiling the pertinent details
> and will use that and my learning experience as I do it myself to
> create the content for the Wiki.
> I also thought I might reuse the Maule felt washer and maybe get
> another for the other side. The small gap between the tube spacer
> and inner bearing races will permit some grease to slowly migrate
> and fling if you used bearing that required adding grease inside
> the hub. The Maule 3 screw hub cap certainly kept that side clean.
> I haven't yet put much thought into that. However, with lifetime
> grease/sealed bearings we shouldn't need a grease seal. I'm
> thinking about how modern motorcycle wheels are put together and
> they go many thousands of miles without bearing service.
> Lowell posted http://www.bocabearings.com/ and p/n: R1621-2RSNR
> for about $18 each, which seem to meet all the requirements. I
> would still need to fabricate an interior spacer to be installed
> between the inner bearing races. On my way to the bearing shop.
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>>
>> No grease seal. I left the felt washer in place against the back
>> side of the wheel, and as I recall, the bearings I got were
>> sealed on the outside...maybe even lifetime greased/sealed. See
>> my post of March 13, for a picture of the new wheel under "
>> Trailering my Kitfox/ tailwheel"
>> If I could ever get to cleaning up my "nest", I might find some
>> of the paperwork including the bills and part numbers for the
>> stuff I put into the plane. : )
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
camping/distance is concerned?
I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
goal...eventual landing goal. : )
Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
>
> We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and camp
> in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
>
> Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. Well land at
> Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> back home.
>
> Do we have any other Kitfoxs on the forum that will be flying
> (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
>
> We fly out of a private strip, 1,800 (not on sectional) that is
> located about 16 miles southeast of Mobile Regional Airport, MOB.
> I will provide GPS coordinates, pictures, etc of our airport for
> anyone that is interested.
>
> Travis
> :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> IFR with Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170997#170997
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Thanks, Leon.
Lynn
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:19 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Lynn, Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC). ulpower.com
> has info on that engine. Leon Morris/Classic 4/60%/ Flower Mound,TX
> ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm blanking out here..what's Fadec stand for? Fuel and ? engine
>> control? Something else?
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Grass Lake, Michigan
>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> flying w/480+ hrs
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air
>>> cooled with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA
>>> expo. It looks like a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and
>>> is made in Belgium. I talked to the guy about it a little and it is
>>> new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It is a terrific looking
>>> engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a brochure
>>> somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are
>>> interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and
>>> my Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
>>>
>>> Dick Maddux
>>> Fox 4-1200
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
The way I land my fox was the way I was shown how to do it last year by a
bush flier with more experiences thanTetley has tea bags.
I fly my short final at 50-55 ( the best angle of glide) to about ten feet
off the water then as I flare ( a very light flare) the air speed starts
dropping and the plane touches down just before the wing stalls... No
buffeting and until the touchdown a go around is an easy affair. I make no
bones about the fact I'm a fair weather flyer and when the WX isn't
co-operating I do something else. Never the less it all comes down to
timing the flare and not trying to flare too much. Landings are much
shorter than anything a PA 18 can do. The real trick as everyone knows is
Pr------ ( fill in the blanks)!
I hate hanging on the prop close to the ground.. one burp from the engine
and ... well I don't even want to think about that. Most ponds are
surrounded by big rocks, and trees and other essentially immobile objects
not a good place to have to get your nose down in a hurry... Better to set
up a proper circuit first and fly the plane until it's off the step.
On wheels.... What wheels???
Do not archive today.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
At 09:27 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote:
>I thought I was building a STOL aircraft that could land short. . .
>. Do I have to change to another engine to get STOL landings?
First, there is no problem with the 912. Most Kitfoxes have
them and some of the ones that do can land reliably in less than
100'. That said, my Kitfox IV with a 582 is a very difficult plane to
land short. Minimum sink is at 50 mph indicated. (This from my gross
weight flight test data.) At that weight my stall is 40-45 mph
indicated. Thus, unlike a full-flaps Cessna the only way to really
increase sink is to point it down hill and go fast, (lots of drag,)
or to slip like mad. Unfortunately, in either case you end up fast in
the flare and you float. (I haven't the courage to slip close to
stall speed near the ground.) So how do these guys land short?
First they drag it in as low and slow as they dare. (Speed
is based on gust factor, etc.) When I say low, I mean 2-3 feet over
the terrain. When they get near the threshold they pull power and
simultaneously rotate. Ideally the mains touch the ground with little
vertical velocity just as the wings stall. When the mains touch they
push a little and brake hard. Then begins the game of braking as hard
as you can without nosing over while using elevator to control
attitude. Initially you push forward on the stick to plant the tires
(reduce AoA) to get traction. Then as you mash the brakes you pull
the stick back, maintaining attitude. You apply as much brake as the
elevator will stand. As the plane slows and before the elevator
looses effectiveness you reduce the braking just enough to get the
tail to drop. This moves the CG back and puts more down-force on the
tires. (Don't do it too soon or the wing's lift will offset your
gains.) Ideally the tailwheel kisses the ground just as you stop. All
of this happens in about 3-5 seconds.
Compare this with the trike 152. Full flaps, 5mph over
stall, (I think about 50,) and the plane's sinking like a rock. Just
before touchdown you rotate to buffet. (You do this to mitigate the
impact a little, but mostly to keep the nose wheel from hitting too
hard.) The impact is incredible, but the spring gear soaks it up.
Upon impact pull full back stick and full brakes. (No skidding.)
Doing this you can land a 150 incredibly short. (I don't remember the
numbers, but it was impressive, something like 100'.) More
importantly just about anybody can do it. I learned during PPL
training. Compare this to a couple hundred hours in the Kitfox and I
still can't land short EVERY TIME.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | F-15 emergency landing |
Just in case any of you are interested, here's a pilots eye view of an
emergency landing that didn't go so well. I you watch the head up display
(HUD) you can see his heading, airspeed, and altitude fairly clearly
throughout the approach.
Deke
do not archive
> HUD view of an F-15 Emergency landing
>
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8df_1205185501
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| Subject: | Gary Buchanan, Flying Close Formation with King |
Air
I guess I get the idea that chopper pilots should be aware of everything
around them when they are in the pilot seat. I worked for a couple of years
for a Canadian AMO (Authorized Maintenance Organization) that operated out
of space rented from a very active helicopter company. Even though the
pilots had their own apron they were always careful about approaches that
might come too close to other fixed wing aircraft. It actually was the
fixed wing guys who would do stupid things like start their engines with
their tails toward open hangar doors.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gary Buchanan, Flying Close Formation with King
Air
At 07:57 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:
>Don't those guys get any training in the effects of downwash??
They do, but like many pilots they believe physics can be
overcome by sufficient levels of skill.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Thanks for the link to the NOTAM. I haven't decided about camping. How are the
amenities (showers, bathrooms, etc..)? Are there any restrictions about camping
in the ultralight area?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
It wasn't me but I'd sure jump at the chance.
You mentioned two or three channels. When I was 2 my folks moved to
Glasgow.. 1 Channel B&W-BBC. When I was 7 I returned to Newfoundland
where we had 1 channel B&W-CBC programming on a private station. When I was
ten or eleven we got a second B&W station B&W owned and operated by the CBC.
The private station went with private programming B&W. I was thirteen
before seeing a colour television picture... The Rose bowl parade. We still
only have two local television stations. Thank NASA for satellite!
Noel
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rudderdancer
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sky King....
Hi Don and Noel,
I guess I remember watching the reruns since I saw them in the early 60's.
I really enjoyed them too, along with watching The Roy Rogers, Dale Evans
Show, and Marx the Magic Man on Saturdays. That's when I remember we only
had 3 or 4 channels to choose from. Then after watching those shows early
on Saturdays, it was outside for the rest of the day.
I now live in Victorville, which is right next to Apple Valley, where many
of the Sky King stories were centered. The old Apple Valley Airport is no
more, but for a long time you could still make out the building locations
and drive on the old crumbling asphalt of the runway. The Apple Valley Inn
still exists, which was just across Hwy 18 from the old airport. I'm glad
to hear Noel got
to meet "Penny". It's neat to meet some of our old heroes and heroines.
In the 80's I used to go to the same family doctor as Roy Rogers did, and
one day met him in the hallway with my younger children. What a nice man.
I'll never forget that.
Happy Flying!
--------
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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Hi list members
Jus got my new Warp drive 3 blades square tips prop and getting ready for
installation on my rotax 912 equipped kitfox 4=2E Any idea on what should
be the starting pitch adjustment in degrees to get a satisfactory RPM=3F A
lso, what shoud be the static rpm to get the recommended 5800 in flight=3F
Jacques Voynaud
Conseiller en formation
Cegep de l'Abitibi-T=E9miscamingue
Centre de Ville-Marie (819)629-3211
jacques=2Evoynaud@cegepat=2Eqc=2Eca
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in Miami and have
planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me know where you'll be and
I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
do not archive
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
camping/distance is concerned?
I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
goal...eventual landing goal. : )
Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
>
> We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and camp
> in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
>
> Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. Well land at
> Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> back home.
>
> Do we have any other Kitfoxs on the forum that will be flying
> (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
>
> We fly out of a private strip, 1,800 (not on sectional) that is
> located about 16 miles southeast of Mobile Regional Airport, MOB.
> I will provide GPS coordinates, pictures, etc of our airport for
> anyone that is interested.
>
> Travis
> :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> IFR with Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170997#170997
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some
Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't
fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,
as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off-
list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches
and get busted again. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in
> Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me
> know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
> C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
> year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
> We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
> you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
>
> I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
> and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
> difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
> camping/distance is concerned?
>
> I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
> Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
> goal...eventual landing goal. : )
> Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
> a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
> Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> >
> > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
> >
> > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and camp
> > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> > little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
> >
> > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. Well land at
> > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> > back home.
> >
> > Do we have any other Kitfoxs on the forum that will be flying
> > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> > will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
> >
> > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800 (not on sectional) that is
> > located about 16 miles southeast of Mobile Regional Airport, _-
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What is the diameter?
Top speed?
My guess is110 MPH, 66" diameter, and 15,75 deg at 75% of radii
Static RPM 85-90% of 5800 = 4930 - 5220
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacques Voynaud
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
Hi list members
Jus got my new Warp drive 3 blades square tips prop and getting ready
for installation on my rotax 912 equipped kitfox 4. Any idea on what
should be the starting pitch adjustment in degrees to get a satisfactory
RPM? Also, what shoud be the static rpm to get the recommended 5800 in
flight?
Jacques Voynaud
Conseiller en formation
Cegep de l'Abitibi-T=E9miscamingue
Centre de Ville-Marie (819)629-3211
jacques.voynaud@cegepat.qc.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Lynn,
I am based at Shelby County airport. (2HO)..have a hangar there and if you get
down this way in bad weather...any Kitfox can spend the night inside my spot...I
can Push the Luscombe outside...it can take it!
Only 100LL there but I will cart anyone to the BP station to get a couple cans
of autogas.
The airport is just west of Lake Shelbyville, a large lake...probably 30 miles
long north/south. I live on the east side.
We have 6500 feet of just resurfaced asphalt- 18/36 smooth as a babys b...
and 2 sod runways crossing....long one is...probably 3500 and the short is 2000
or so, dont know for sure...lots of room...no obstacles.
If you come here during a fly-in, you will see alot of old biplanes that are residents
here. Several WACOS...including a model 10, we even have a fella with
a pristine and flying Curtiss with a OX-5 on it. A Standard and a couple of Howards,
and these guys fly the wires off of these birds...none are hanger queens,
and all look like they are new.
If you come here during the WACO fly-in they have....you will see more of those
old birds than you thought were still around.
I would Love to hook up also Lynn and I can put you up if overnight.
My cell is available to any on this list, just ask.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Dick,
I would certainly be interested in the engine you saw...if you can find that brochure
post the name of it or if they have a web site..Always interested in new
engines..
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | F-15 emergency landing |
Never even heard about this on and I am only about 50 miles from whiteman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: F-15 emergency landing
Just in case any of you are interested, here's a pilots eye view of an
emergency landing that didn't go so well. I you watch the head up display
(HUD) you can see his heading, airspeed, and altitude fairly clearly
throughout the approach.
Deke
do not archive
> HUD view of an F-15 Emergency landing
>
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8df_1205185501
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Ken,
Do you have a static port on your Fox and confirm that you have a
reliable airspeed? I fly the Downwind at cruise and when I am abeam the
approach end throttle back until I indicate 70 knots. I do not start my
base until I have 70 knots. As I turn base at 70 knots I check the wind
velocity and decide whether I want to use flaps. As I turn base to final
I throttle back to 2,000 Rpm and trim for 60 knots. When I am over the
fence I do not want to be more than 60 knots. I flare and touch down. At
this time I have to apply just a little toe brake to make the turn off.
Once I make the turn off I keep the throttle set at 2,000 Rpm until I
get to the hanger. I have about 300 hours on my brakes and just replaced
them. They showed little wear but I replaced them anyway since I had it
all apart. The only time I ever crab or slip is when I am to high
because I wasn't paying attention. Don't be frustrated, we all started
out that way. I have a harmonic vibration at about 3,000 Rpm that drives
me crazy. I changed the isolator amounts and played with it until I just
ignore it. The engine has never belched or farted in that time so I just
pat the panel and say, "I love you anyway." Jeff Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth and Alice Jones
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Thanks for your input guys. The conclusion I've reached, as Dick
Maddux said, the 912 is a weird engine. I find it hard to understand
that the engineers would design an aircraft engine that cannot idle on a
landing approach with no added thrust. If I remember right all the
Lycomings I used to fly would idle so slow the props would actually
create a little drag. I'm really annoyed with myself that I didn't think
to research this subject more before I made the engine purchase
decision. Yet we all know there are a lot of new light sport aircraft
on the market using the Rotax 912 engines. So I wonder if I'm being
overly concerned. Is this really an important issue? Do all the new
light sport's have this problem? I've been planning on taking a
biannual flight review next month. I think I'll make sure to do it on a
light sport using the Rotax 912 to see for myself.
In any case the conclusion seems to be that the only way to achieve
low approach speeds with a Rotax 912 is to slip hard or accept gearbox
chatter at low idle settings during the approach.
Ken Jones
Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Ken, as was previously posted, the recommended idle speed is around
2000rpm, the same for my Subaru setup. The only reason for the high
idle rpm is to smooth out the tortional vibration pulses from the prop
and keep the gearbox from hammering for long periods. However, landing
rpms are much different and can be easily backed off to 1500 or less
(about 500 prop rpm depending on ratio) to get a slow prop speed for
short final and landing only. One poster said his engine kept dying at
the lower rpms, but I believe that he might be dealing with a mixture
problem, probably too rich that is causing the engine to die at the
lower rpm. The Kitfox, whether a model 1 or 7 is a good short field
airplane, but prop speed is important so that excessive float isn't
encountered. I idle mine about 2200rpm, but the idle stop is set for
1400 for landing. The 912 shouldn't be very much different and I'm sure
others will chime in soon with their setups.
The 912S is a good package, and probably the best choice out there
for the Kitfox. What probably keeps most people from going with it is
only the price.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth and Alice Jones
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
I'm confused about this subject. I'm a Series 7 builder. I have a
912S not yet installed. I thought I was building a STOL aircraft that
could land short. I knew the engine idle speed was high, but I thought
the gear box reduced the prop speed so that it was not providing thrust
at idle speed. These messages suggest that is not correct. Do I have
to change to another engine to get STOL landings?
Ken Jones
Waynesboro, PA
Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Don, Don't feel like the 'Lone Ranger" I too have been having
fits landing my Kitfox like a normal taildragger.In fact when I first
bought the plane the engine quit on me three times on final (3 different
flights) and the airplane landed very nicely. Well, like a dummy I
adjusted the idle back up so it wouldn't happen again and like you, it
wouldn't land cause you can't get the power back far enough! So now I
have it adjusted as it was and make the rpm part of my landing scan. As
the former owner said it's called "slip and plop" Nature of the beast I
guess. (with a Rotax 912 anyway-weird engine)
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Rotax 912UL
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If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft less than 6
months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you up to $30,000, YES
THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida. I just read this on Aero-
News
Network last week. I went to their archives so I could tell you exactly when
it ran but their web site is down. Here is an example; If you bought your
airplane in Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will ta
x you
$30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on you
.
I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have owned the
plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL TAX YOU!!!!!
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you all.)
In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some
Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't
fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,
as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off-
list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches
and get busted again. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in
> Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me
> know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
> C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
> year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
> We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
> you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
>
> I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
> and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
> difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
> camping/distance is concerned?
>
> I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
> Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
> goal...eventual landing goal. : )
> Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
> a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
> Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> >
> > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
> >
> > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and ca
mp
> > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> > little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
> >
> > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. We=99ll land a
t
> > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> > back home.
> >
> > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum that will be flying
> > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> > will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
> >
> > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800=99 (not on sectional) that i
s
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They use large portable shower trucks (like an 18 wheeler stainless steel box trailer)
that have about 10-12 shower stalls. No shortage of hot water. Each
trailer has a man/woman section. Outside they have Astroturf on the ground with
an 8 long sink (two sided) for shaving, primping, tooth brushing, etc. All
in all its not too bad. We always pick our shower times carefully. For late
day showers we usually hit it around 4:30 5:00 or after 8:30. Using these times
we have never had to wait for a stallleast crowded! Mornings are really
busy unless you get an early start! There are porta-lets everywhere. With a
little scouting and judgment its not too hard to pick out the best/cleanest/least
used throne. Personallywe carry our own toilet paper (TMI) and other sanitary
needs for our peace of mind!
The temps are usually reasonably cool at night. One year I remember it getting
down into the 40sbut that was just a freak thing. Mid 60s are the normbut not
guaranteed! We have a 40 diesel busits hard to call it a camperbut we still
enjoy tent camping. A decent air mattress, sleeping bag, pillowand a sheet make
for good sleeping. now 35 years agoI could camp on a rockwithout anything
for comfort. sorry! Those days are gone. We carry a large.large! tent, cooler,
chairs, porta-potty, clothes, food and all the other stuff. Camp in comfort
when you can! I'm just glad the Vixen holds all our stuff!
It sure would be nice to have several Foxs in the neighborhood!
Travis
:D
--------
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
IFR with Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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I guess speed is relative--I cross the fence at 55 mph not knots. my stall is 40ish.
no float.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
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Ken,
Do you have a static port on your Fox and confirm that you have a reliable airspeed?
I fly the Downwind at cruise and when I am abeam the approach end throttle
back until I indicate 70 knots. I do not start my base until I have 70 knots.
As I turn base at 70 knots I check the wind velocity and decide whether I want
to use flaps. As I turn base to final I throttle back to 2,000 Rpm and trim
for 60 knots. When I am over the fence I do not want to be more than 60 knots.
I flare and touch down. At this time I have to apply just a little toe brake
to make the turn off. Once I make the turn off I keep the throttle set at 2,000
Rpm until I get to the hanger. I have about 300 hours on my brakes and just
replaced them. They showed little wear but I replaced them anyway since I had
it all apart. The only time I ever crab or slip is when I am to high because
I wasn't paying attention. Don't be frustrated, we all started out that way.
I have a harmonic vibration at about 3,000 Rpm that d
rives
me crazy. I changed the isolator amounts and played with it until I just ignore
it. The engine has never belched or farted in that time so I just pat the panel
and say, "I love you anyway." Jeff Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth and Alice Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Thanks for your input guys. The conclusion I've reached, as Dick Maddux said,
the 912 is a weird engine. I find it hard to understand that the engineers would
design an aircraft engine that cannot idle on a landing approach with no added
thrust. If I remember right all the Lycomings I used to fly would idle so
slow the props would actually create a little drag. I'm really annoyed with myself
that I didn't think to research this subject more before I made the engine
purchase decision. Yet we all know there are a lot of new light sport aircraft
on the market using the Rotax 912 engines. So I wonder if I'm being overly
concerned. Is this really an important issue? Do all the new light sport's have
this problem? I've been planning on taking a biannual flight review next
month. I think I'll make sure to do it on a light sport using the Rotax 912 to
see for myself.
In any case the conclusion seems to be that the only way to achieve low approach
speeds with a Rotax 912 is to slip hard or accept gearbox chatter at low idle
settings during the approach.
Ken Jones
Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Ken, as was previously posted, the recommended idle speed is around 2000rpm, the
same for my Subaru setup. The only reason for the high idle rpm is to smooth
out the tortional vibration pulses from the prop and keep the gearbox from hammering
for long periods. However, landing rpms are much different and can be
easily backed off to 1500 or less (about 500 prop rpm depending on ratio) to
get a slow prop speed for short final and landing only. One poster said his
engine kept dying at the lower rpms, but I believe that he might be dealing with
a mixture problem, probably too rich that is causing the engine to die at the
lower rpm. The Kitfox, whether a model 1 or 7 is a good short field airplane,
but prop speed is important so that excessive float isn't encountered. I
idle mine about 2200rpm, but the idle stop is set for 1400 for landing. The 912
shouldn't be very much different and I'm sure others will chime in soon with
their setups.
The 912S is a good package, and probably the best choice out there for the Kitfox.
What probably keeps most people from going with it is only the price.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth and Alice Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
I'm confused about this subject. I'm a Series 7 builder. I have a 912S not yet
installed. I thought I was building a STOL aircraft that could land short. I
knew the engine idle speed was high, but I thought the gear box reduced the prop
speed so that it was not providing thrust at idle speed. These messages suggest
that is not correct. Do I have to change to another engine to get STOL
landings?
Ken Jones
Waynesboro, PA
Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Don, Don't feel like the 'Lone Ranger" I too have been having fits landing my Kitfox
like a normal taildragger.In fact when I first bought the plane the engine
quit on me three times on final (3 different flights) and the airplane landed
very nicely. Well, like a dummy I adjusted the idle back up so it wouldn't
happen again and like you, it wouldn't land cause you can't get the power back
far enough! So now I have it adjusted as it was and make the rpm part of my landing
scan. As the former owner said it's called "slip and plop" Nature of the
beast I guess. (with a Rotax 912 anyway-weird engine)
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Rotax 912UL
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<DIV>I guess speed is relative--I cross the fence at 55 mph not knots. my stall
is 40ish. no float. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
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<DIV>Ken,</DIV>
<DIV>Do you have a static port on your Fox and confirm that you have a reliable airspeed?
I fly the Downwind at cruise and when I am abeam the approach
end throttle back until I indicate 70 knots. I do not start my base until
I have 70 knots. As I turn base at 70 knots I check the wind velocity and decide
whether I want to use flaps. As I turn base to final I throttle back
to 2,000 Rpm and trim for 60 knots. When I am over the fence I do not want to
be more than 60 knots. I flare and touch down. At this time I have to apply just
a little toe brake to make the turn off. Once I make the turn off I keep the
throttle set at 2,000 Rpm until I get to the hanger. I have about 300 hours on
my brakes and just replaced them. They showed little wear but I replaced
them anyway since I had it all apart. The only time I ever crab or slip is
when I am to high because I wasn't paying attention. Don't be frustrated, we all
started out that way. I have a harmonic vibration
at abo
ut 3,000 Rpm that drives me crazy. I changed the isolator amounts and played with
it until I just ignore it. The engine has never belched or farted in that time
so I just pat the panel and say, "I love you anyway." Jeff Classic IV </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kmamjones@comcast.net href="mailto:kmamjones@comcast.net">Kenneth and Alice Jones</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kitfox-list@matronics.com href="mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com">kitfox-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:16 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle
RPM</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your input guys. The conclusion I've reached, as Dick Maddux
said, the 912 is a weird engine. I find it hard to understand that the engineers
would design an aircraft engine that cannot idle on a landing approach with
no added thrust. If I remember right all the Lycomings I
used to fly would idle so slow the props would actually create a little drag.
I'm really annoyed with myself that I didn't think to research this subject more
before I made the engine purchase decision. Yet we all know there are
a lot of new light sport aircraft on the market using the Rotax 912 engines.
So I wonder if I'm being overly concerned. Is this really an important issue?
Do all the new light sport's have this problem? I've been planning on taking
a biannual flight review next month. I think I'll make sure to do it
on a light sport using the Rotax 912 to see for myself.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In any case the conclusion seems to be that the only way to achieve low approach
speeds with a Rotax 912 is to slip hard or accept gearbox chatter
at low idle settings during the approach.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken Jones</DIV>
<DIV>Series 7 builder</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kitfox-list@matronics.com href="mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com">kitfox-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle
RPM</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ken, as was previously posted, the recommended idle speed is around 2000rpm,
the same for my Subaru setup. The only reason for the high idle
rpm is to smooth out the tortional vibration pulses from the prop and keep the
gearbox from hammering for long periods. However, landing rpms are much
different and can be easily backed off to 1500 or less (about 500 prop rpm
depending on ratio) to get a slow prop speed for short final and landing only.
One poster said his engine kept dying at the lower rpms, but I believe
that he might be dealing with a mixture problem, probably too rich that
is causing the engine to die at the lower rpm. The Kitfox, whether a model
1 or 7 is a good short field airplane, but prop speed is important so that
excessive float isn't encountered. I idle mine about 2200rpm, but the
idle stop is set for 1400 for landing. The 912 shouldn't be very much different
and I'm sure others will chime in soon with t
heir s
etups.</DIV>
<DIV>The 912S is a good package, and probably the best choice out there for
the Kitfox. What probably keeps most people from going with it is only
the price.</DIV>
<DIV>Deke Morisse<BR>Mikado Michigan<BR>S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT<BR>"The aim of an
argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."<BR>- Joseph Joubert</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kitfox-list@matronics.com href="mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com">kitfox-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:27 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle
RPM</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm confused about this subject. I'm a Series 7 builder. I have a 912S
not yet installed. I thought I was building a STOL aircraft that could land
short. I knew the engine idle speed was high, but I thought the gear box reduced
the prop speed so that it was not providing thrust at idle speed. These
messages suggest that is not correct. Do I have to change to another
engine to get STOL landings?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken Jones</DIV>
<DIV>Waynesboro, PA</DIV>
<DIV>Series 7 builder</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle
RPM</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Don, Don't feel like the 'Lone Ranger" I too have been having fits landing
my Kitfox like a normal taildragger.In fact when I first bought the plane the
engine quit on me three times on final (3 different flights) and the airplane
landed very nicely. Well, like a dummy I adjusted the idle back up so it wouldn't
happen again and like you, it wouldn't land cause you can't get the power
back far enough! So now I have it adjusted as it was and make the rpm part of
my landing scan. As the former owner said it's called "slip and plop" Nature
of the beast I guess. (with a Rotax 912 anyway-weird engine)</DIV>
<DIV>
Dick Maddux</DIV>
<DIV>
Fox4-1200</DIV>
<DIV>
Rotax 912UL</DIV><BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Looking over the NOTAMS. There's lots of info for GA and Experimentals but when
you get to the ultra light / LSA section it just says to approach from the SE,
stay under 500ft and avoid the helicopter [Shocked] . It's not clear from
the picture which way the runway is even pointing. It's just a big square grassy
area. Anyone know how long the runway is? Also, are they going to be spot checking
to make sure you actually qualify as an LSA? I have an IVO prop so I'm
not technically LSA but is anyone going to care?
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Fly-in's illinois |
I just looked at the Flyin.com website and saw the fly-in list at Tommy's airpark
in Edinburg. thought I would make a pitch for it to all..I have been there
for about 5 years running because it a great experimental and ultralite fly in
men..great spagetti feed on Sat eve...lots of room and camping...no tower...no
feds...no pavement...lots of grass..EAA announcer. lots of fun. If you come
in a Spamcan the will welcome you...and tease the heck out of you too!
...
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Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I couldn't
believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there it was in electroni
c
black and white. The article went on to say that SNF had been declining for
years
and this could be the proverbial stake in the heart. The article also noted
that an inquiry by phone to SNF staff received less than forthcoming answer
s.
Could this possibly be true? I checked both AOPA and EAA sites, but could
find no substantiating stories. I guess if I was planning to fly my brand n
ew
plane to SNF(I wish), I'd be digging deeper till I found out for sure. If
anyone finds out if this state revenue generating gone berserk is true, plea
se
let everyone know.
Greg G.
In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Donroutledge@aol.com writes:
If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft less than 6
months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you up to $30,000, YES
THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida. I just read this on Aero
-News
Network last week. I went to their archives so I could tell you exactly whe
n
it ran but their web site is down. Here is an example; If you bought your
airplane in Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will ta
x
you $30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on
you. I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have owne
d the
plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL TAX YOU!!!!!
Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real name and phone so you know I am not spammin
g
you all.)
In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some
Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't
fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,
as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off-
list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches
and get busted again. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in
> Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me
> know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
> C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
> year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
> We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
> you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
>
> I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
> and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
> difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
> camping/distance is concerned?
>
> I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
> Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
> goal...eventual landing goal. : )
> Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
> a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
> Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> >
> > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
> >
> > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and ca
mp
> > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> > little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
> >
> > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. We=99ll land a
t
> > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> > back home.
> >
> > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum that will be flying
> > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> > will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
> >
> > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800=99 (not on sectional) that i
s
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Luis,
Study the arrival procedures until you can recite them back. Then watch for
other planes and listen. It is tremendous fun to land with planes a couple
hundred yards ahead of you and behind you and one next to you all landing at
the same time.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
My plans aren't solid but I'll be leaving from 34A and was thinking of
stopping somewhere near Jacksonville. This will be my first time so if
anyone has any tips...
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Don-
Holler when you have a fly-in coming up...either here if it's of
general (list) interest, or privately if not. Would love to see the
Waco's.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Don G wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> I am based at Shelby County airport. (2HO)..have a hangar there and
> if you get down this way in bad weather...any Kitfox can spend the
> night inside my spot...I can Push the Luscombe outside...it can
> take it!
> Only 100LL there but I will cart anyone to the BP station to get
> a couple cans of autogas.
> The airport is just west of Lake Shelbyville, a large
> lake...probably 30 miles long north/south. I live on the east side.
> We have 6500 feet of just resurfaced asphalt- 18/36 smooth as a
> babys b...
> and 2 sod runways crossing....long one is...probably 3500 and the
> short is 2000 or so, dont know for sure...lots of room...no obstacles.
>
> If you come here during a fly-in, you will see alot of old biplanes
> that are residents here. Several WACOS...including a model 10, we
> even have a fella with a pristine and flying Curtiss with a OX-5 on
> it. A Standard and a couple of Howards, and these guys fly the
> wires off of these birds...none are hanger queens, and all look
> like they are new.
> If you come here during the WACO fly-in they have....you will see
> more of those old birds than you thought were still around.
>
> I would Love to hook up also Lynn and I can put you up if overnight.
>
> My cell is available to any on this list, just ask.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171060#171060
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
The arrival procedures for the UL leave a lot to be desired. I have attached three
pictures (I put these together several years ago for some first time UL folks
to SNF). I prefer to go south past LAL on the west side. All the GA folks
are lining up on the northeast side. You can use South Lakeland as a guild.
You need to be inbound in a north easterly direction (from the southwest).
Do NOT go north of the UL area or over/east of the buildings on the east side
of the UL area (you're getting into helo country). I hope the pictures help.
Travis :D
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
IFR with Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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Guys, The Florida tax plan on airplanes is on Aero News Network on
03/14/2008. You can recover the archive from the location at the bottom of t
he page.
It is the third article down "Florida Tax Ripoffs... "
Don't fly your airplane to Florida until you read this Don
In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:28:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
GONER752@aol.com writes:
I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I couldn't
believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there it was in electroni
c
black and white. The article went on to say that SNF had been declining for
years
and this could be the proverbial stake in the heart. The article also noted
that an inquiry by phone to SNF staff received less than forthcoming answer
s.
Could this possibly be true? I checked both AOPA and EAA sites, but could
find no substantiating stories. I guess if I was planning to fly my brand n
ew
plane to SNF(I wish), I'd be digging deeper till I found out for sure. If
anyone finds out if this state revenue generating gone berserk is true, ple
ase
let everyone know.
Greg G.
In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Donroutledge@aol.com writes:
If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft less than 6
months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you up to $30,000, YES
THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida. I just read this on Aero
-News
Network last week. I went to their archives so I could tell you exactly whe
n
it ran but their web site is down. Here is an example; If you bought your
airplane in Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will ta
x
you $30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on
you. I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have owne
d the
plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL TAX YOU!!!!!
Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real name and phone so you know I am not spammin
g
you all.)
In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some
Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't
fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,
as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off-
list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches
and get busted again. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in
> Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me
> know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
> C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
> year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
> We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
> you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
>
> I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
> and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
> difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
> camping/distance is concerned?
>
> I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
> Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
> goal...eventual landing goal. : )
> Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
> a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
> Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> >
> > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
> >
> > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and ca
mp
> > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> > little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
> >
> > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. We=99ll land a
t
> > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> > back home.
> >
> > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum that will be flying
> > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> > will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
> >
> > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800=99 (not on sectional) that i
s
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Those pictures really clear it up. Thanks!
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Kitfoxers,
I forwarded Deke's letter to my son, Mark, who flew F15s for several years.
You might find his comments below add a little. I found nothing on the link
about the fate of the pilot. Did I just miss it? Does anyone know?
Jim Crowder
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Crowder [mailto:markc@lpbroadband.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: F-15 emergency landing
Hey Dad,
I don't know anything about the accident, but I noted a couple of
things. First of all, he touched down at 270 to 280 knots. There was no
way he was going to stop that airplane on the runway. He may have also
blown the tires as he landed well about their top design speed. All of that
is probably a moot point since an uncontrolled fire like that might well
have destroyed the airplane anyway. It was possible that he may have been
able to engage the departure end cable, I don't know how it ended.
Love Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Crowder [mailto:jcrowder@lpbroadband.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:57 PM
Subject: FW: Kitfox-List: F-15 emergency landing
Mark,
Check out the liveleak link below. It is of a F15 crash resulting from an
engine fire that could not be put out. The pilot punched out at the end of
the runway when the plane could not be stopped. No word on his fate. What
do you know about it?
Love, Dad
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: F-15 emergency landing
Just in case any of you are interested, here's a pilots eye view of an
emergency landing that didn't go so well. I you watch the head up display
(HUD) you can see his heading, airspeed, and altitude fairly clearly
throughout the approach.
Deke
do not archive
> HUD view of an F-15 Emergency landing
>
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8df_1205185501
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What could possibly be their justification in doing this? What flaw
in whatever passes as law down there allows them to do this?
I've had my plane for longer than the six months mentioned, but this
law/rule/whatever pisses me off enough to stay away in protest. I've
never understood their (SNF's)pricing policy as it pertains to taking
your money for a campsite for the week and not giving back a refund
if you leave early, like Oshkosh does.
Regarding a phone call to SNF, I did just that a year ago, to find
out more about camping, fees, etc., and was given different answers
by different people. This latest ploy, if it's true, is enough to
park me just for spite.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Donroutledge@aol.com wrote:
> Guys, The Florida tax plan on airplanes is on Aero News Network on
> 03/14/2008. You can recover the archive from the location at the
> bottom of the page. It is the third article down "Florida Tax
> Ripoffs... "
> Don't fly your airplane to Florida until you read this Don
> In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:28:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> GONER752@aol.com writes:
> I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I
> couldn't believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there
> it was in electronic black and white. The article went on to say
> that SNF had been declining for years and this could be the
> proverbial stake in the heart. The article also noted that an
> inquiry by phone to SNF staff received less than forthcoming
> answers. Could this possibly be true? I checked both AOPA and EAA
> sites, but could find no substantiating stories. I guess if I was
> planning to fly my brand new plane to SNF(I wish), I'd be digging
> deeper till I found out for sure. If anyone finds out if this state
> revenue generating gone berserk is true, please let everyone know.
> Greg G.
>
> In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Donroutledge@aol.com writes:
> If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft less
> than 6 months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you up
> to $30,000, YES THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida.
> I just read this on Aero-News Network last week. I went to their
> archives so I could tell you exactly when it ran but their web site
> is down. Here is an example; If you bought your airplane in
> Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will tax
> you $30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of
> proof is on you. I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap
> but if you have owned the plane less than 6 months, and they catch
> you there, THEY WILL TAX YOU!!!!! Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real
> name and phone so you know I am not spamming you all.)
>
> In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
> Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
> I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some
> Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't
> fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,
> as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off-
> list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
>
> I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches
> and get busted again. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>
> > Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in
> > Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me
> > know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> >
> > Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
> > C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of
> last
> > year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
> > We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
> > you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
> >
> > I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
> > and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
> > difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
> > camping/distance is concerned?
> >
> > I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
> > Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
> > goal...eventual landing goal. : )
> > Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
> > a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
> > Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/480+ hrs
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
> > >
> > > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> > > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> > > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and camp
> > > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> > > little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
> > >
> > > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> > > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. Well land at
> > > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> > > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> > > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> > > back home.
> > >
> > > Do we have any other Kitfoxs on the forum that will be flying
> > > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> > > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> > > will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> > > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
> > >
> > > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800 (not on sectional) that is
> > > located about 16 miles southeast of Mobile Regional Airport, _-
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Lynn & Kitfoxers, Eaa chp # 22 at Cottonwood airport in Rockford, IL has a
lightsport fly in scheduled for Sat June 22. You don't have to be light sp
ort. Bring an RV or anything you can get into our grass strip. Come on down
tell them Pat Reilly invited you. And I'll see you there.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 9
12 80HP Idle RPM> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:43:45 -0400> To: kitfox-list@ma
ps.net>> > Don-> Holler when you have a fly-in coming up...either here if i
t's of > general (list) interest, or privately if not. Would love to see th
e > Waco's.> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/J
abiru 2200> flying w/480+ hrs> do not archive> > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 5:17
ne-eleven.net>> >> > Lynn,> > I am based at Shelby County airport. (2HO)..h
ave a hangar there and > > if you get down this way in bad weather...any Ki
tfox can spend the > > night inside my spot...I can Push the Luscombe outsi
de...it can > > take it!> > Only 100LL there but I will cart anyone to the
BP station to get > > a couple cans of autogas.> > The airport is just west
of Lake Shelbyville, a large > > lake...probably 30 miles long north/south
. I live on the east side.> > We have 6500 feet of just resurfaced asphalt-
18/36 smooth as a > > babys b...> > and 2 sod runways crossing....long one
is...probably 3500 and the > > short is 2000 or so, dont know for sure...l
ots of room...no obstacles.> >> > If you come here during a fly-in, you wil
l see alot of old biplanes > > that are residents here. Several WACOS...inc
luding a model 10, we > > even have a fella with a pristine and flying Curt
iss with a OX-5 on > > it. A Standard and a couple of Howards, and these gu
ys fly the > > wires off of these birds...none are hanger queens, and all l
ook > > like they are new.> > If you come here during the WACO fly-in they
have....you will see > > more of those old birds than you thought were stil
l around.> >> > I would Love to hook up also Lynn and I can put you up if o
vernight.> >> > My cell is available to any on this list, just ask.> >> > -
-------> > Don G.> > Central Illinois> > Kitfox IV Speedster> > Luscombe 8A
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm> >> >> >> >> > R
ead this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php
==================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Lynn,
Back from my Bearing shop trip. First I'll answer your question. By
"gap" I meant that tiny space between the O.D. of the spacer/shim and
the I.D. of the bearings through which grease would migrate out if the
wheel were to be used as designed. In other words; as the original Maule
wheel is designed by having a zerk fitting in the hub. (Where grease in
injected into the hub, but better bearings were used). Since you used
sealed bearings the zerk fitting is not needed, but left in place. I
will recommend the zerk fitting be replaced with a plug and will try to
source a part for that.
I plan to replace the existing bearings with the same type as you did,
but my supplier was able to quote me a comparable bearing at $4 each! I
actually showed him the print-out from BocaBearings.com and he used the
same P/N for the quote. He only had one in stock so I'll go back Friday
to pick them up. I did look at the one he had and it looked like the
photos. It may be another brand, but should be good. I suspect Boca
Bearings are over priced. Perhaps someone expert about this subject
could comment.
He also showed me a reducer bushing which which does the same thing as
the spacer you and others had to make for the 1/2" to 5/8" difference of
the axle and bearing I.D. This one was made of a rolled steel tube which
has a closed seam and is plated. It fits easily (perhaps too easily) in
the existing cheap bearings of the new wheel, but my application is to
cut it to length to work as a internal spacer. From your text you show
understanding of this method. I will also add appropriate washers as
spacers to prevent the nut or opposite axle shoulder from rubbing
against the bearing seal. The intent is to capture the wheel/bearing
assembly on the axle, not clamp it. Thus with any clamping pressure from
improper assembly the axle nut would not place any undue side load on
the inner races. Since the axle and nut use a cotter pin the idea is to
fix the nut at the point where minimal side to side play is attained.
Shims may be used to fine tune the play. The axle nut (for those not
aware) is not to be tightened against the bearing or even the spacer.
Hopefully my description here shows I understand the concept for proper
wheel bearing assembly. Please, anyone, let me know if it's not clear
enough as this is practice and preliminary content for the instructions
to be used for the Wiki page. I will be using photos and will add text
and arrows to them where it helps.
Thanks in advance.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Rex-
> I'm not sure what you meant by "The small gap between the tube spacer
> and inner bearing races"... The way I did it, there is no small gap.
> The tube I used is 5/8" OD and 1/2" ID, and is meant to be used as a
> "shim" between the size of the shaft...1/2", and the ID of the
> bearings that I got, which was 5/8". The bearings that you cited are
> already 1/2" ID, so the tube spacer is not required as a shim or
> sleeve. If you are using those Boca bearings that you mentioned, no
> sleeve is needed, but maybe you are using it to prevent the inner
> races of the two bearings from undo stress or load, if the nut is
> tightened too much. That is a good idea. But in that circumstance,
> there should be no gap as you mentioned. Am I reading you right?
> By the way, for those that haven't done this Spruce Homebuilder's
> tailwheel swap, the bearings that come...or at least those that came
> with my tailwheel from Spruce...are bad news, in that they are rough
> to the feel when turned, and when my departed bearing guy looked up
> the load application, he said they were meant for the speed of a hand
> truck, or loading dolly. And they were Heim bearings....once a good
> name in bearings and maybe still so, but these particular bearings
> don't belong in the tailwheel of our airplanes. These particular
> bearings have a sleeve in them which takes the ID down to 1/2", and
> when replacing these Heim bearings, I could find the proper 1.375" OD
> bearing, but not the .500" ID. The only bearing that was available to
> the bearing dealer that I dealt with was the 1.375" ID, but with .
> 625" ID, hence my use of the shim/sleeve to make up the difference in
> diameters between the bearing ID and axle OD. Then, just to simplify
> matters, I made the sleeve sort of become a "diameter-increasing"
> sleeve for the axle, and slid the wheel onto it. My nut then bears
> upon this sleeve, and does not put a sideways load on the inner race
> of the bearings. This is what must be avoided. There can be no
> sideways load on a normal ball bearing. Some ball bearings are
> designed to have a slight load on them, but I don't think they are in
> the $18 range for this size bearing.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Fully Automatic Digital Engine Control.
Everything today has to be an anachronism... I notice they took the A out of
ADSL to make it DSL The A stood for Asynchronous meaning different
upload/download speeds. Local DSL is still Asynchronous.
People are so used to the anachronisms that in the local grocery stores they
call everything a "cagey" (KG) Ask for a half kilo or two kilos of
anything and they will look at you as if you had ten heads. Gee and I was
the one who didn't grow up on metric.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
I'm blanking out here..what's Fadec stand for? Fuel and ? engine
control? Something else?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air
> cooled with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA
> expo. It looks like a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and
> is made in Belgium. I talked to the guy about it a little and it is
> new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It is a terrific looking
> engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a brochure
> somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are
> interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and
> my Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
>
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
I've flown into Sun n Fun a couple times, although not into the ultralight
area. I did camp on the field one time and the facilities were very good,
clean, etc. If you're used to tent camping I would say they're nicer than
most state parks (and definitely cleaner).
The last couple times I was at Sun n Fun I spent a considerable amount of
time in the ultralight area simply for the fact that it was such a cool
place to hang out. Everyone there seemed to be having a great time, whether
they were flying, grading landings, hangar flying, whatever. I would LOVE
to fly in there when I get my 'Fox in the air. I would most definitely opt
for camping there rather than anywhere else. There's a lot of activity, the
tram comes right to the area, and it has a very 'homey feel. When I was
there last there were a few people camping right there or very close by.
There was a very laid back fun atmosphere that just kept bringing me back.
There was a large variety of ultralights, trikes, and a few experimentals
flying out of the ultralight area, including Hummelbird, Just Aircraft
Highlanders, and many others. I'm sure a 'Fox will have no trouble getting
in and out of there and looking good doing it.
Travis' pics and directions are spot on from what I could see. I will note
that all the times I watched the pattern operations they were flying a very
low pattern. If you come in at 500' I think you'll be considerably higher
than a lot of the other traffic. Keep your eyes out of the cockpit looking
for other aircraft! The nice part is you come in on final over a roped off
field next to the parking lot with no obstructions, so you can really put it
on the numbers (even though there arent' any).
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD USA
Kitfox Model IV
Rotax 618,IVO grnd adjustable
60%, not currently building
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: **SPAM** Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some
Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't
fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,
as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off-
list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches
and get busted again. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
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It's a circuit that allows alternate audio (music for instance) to be
heard while monitoring the communications channels. Any audio from the
communications radio will override/mute the music so you don't miss ATC
calls. Also a passenger can listen to music and not be interrupted by
ATC. The fellow who built my Kitfox installed a AM/FM casette radio in
the panel. I removed it (the AM/FM) and may install an MP3 player with
radio, I'm not sure. Having an AM/FM radio at altitude may make channel
isolation a problem at times I think.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
patrick reilly wrote:
> Rex, What is a RES Audio switcher? Do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford , IL
>
> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:24:50 -0600
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Intercom
> > From: hefferans@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > Pat,
> > I have a Sigtronics SPA-400 and RES-2 Audio Switcher with Sigtronics
> > stereo headset. I also have an A200 radio. I don't have any real
> > experience with it however since it came installed in the damaged model
> > 2 I bought to restore. So far I've only powered the panel to check the
> > radio and listened to ATIS. My plane has similar components to yours
> and
> > I think it should work well. The original builder I bought it from
> > seemed to like it.
> >
> > --
> > Rex Hefferan
> > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Hi Jeff:
Thanks for the response. I'm still building. I have a 912S , but it is
not yet installed. I became concerned when I read the posts of others
about controlling approach speeds with high engine rpms. Thanks again.
I think I was overly concerned.
Ken Jones - Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: jeff puls
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Ken,
Do you have a static port on your Fox and confirm that you have a
reliable airspeed? I fly the Downwind at cruise and when I am abeam the
approach end throttle back until I indicate 70 knots. I do not start my
base until I have 70 knots. As I turn base at 70 knots I check the wind
velocity and decide whether I want to use flaps. As I turn base to final
I throttle back to 2,000 Rpm and trim for 60 knots. When I am over the
fence I do not want to be more than 60 knots. I flare and touch down. At
this time I have to apply just a little toe brake to make the turn off.
Once I make the turn off I keep the throttle set at 2,000 Rpm until I
get to the hanger. I have about 300 hours on my brakes and just replaced
them. They showed little wear but I replaced them anyway since I had it
all apart. The only time I ever crab or slip is when I am to high
because I wasn't paying attention. Don't be frustrated, we all started
out that way. I have a harmonic vibration at about 3,000 Rpm that drives
me crazy. I changed the isolator amounts and played with it until I just
ignore it. The engine has never belched or farted in that time so I just
pat the panel and say, "I love you anyway." Jeff Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth and Alice Jones
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Thanks for your input guys. The conclusion I've reached, as Dick
Maddux said, the 912 is a weird engine. I find it hard to understand
that the engineers would design an aircraft engine that cannot idle on a
landing approach with no added thrust. If I remember right all the
Lycomings I used to fly would idle so slow the props would actually
create a little drag. I'm really annoyed with myself that I didn't think
to research this subject more before I made the engine purchase
decision. Yet we all know there are a lot of new light sport aircraft
on the market using the Rotax 912 engines. So I wonder if I'm being
overly concerned. Is this really an important issue? Do all the new
light sport's have this problem? I've been planning on taking a
biannual flight review next month. I think I'll make sure to do it on a
light sport using the Rotax 912 to see for myself.
In any case the conclusion seems to be that the only way to achieve
low approach speeds with a Rotax 912 is to slip hard or accept gearbox
chatter at low idle settings during the approach.
Ken Jones
Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Ken, as was previously posted, the recommended idle speed is
around 2000rpm, the same for my Subaru setup. The only reason for the
high idle rpm is to smooth out the tortional vibration pulses from the
prop and keep the gearbox from hammering for long periods. However,
landing rpms are much different and can be easily backed off to 1500 or
less (about 500 prop rpm depending on ratio) to get a slow prop speed
for short final and landing only. One poster said his engine kept dying
at the lower rpms, but I believe that he might be dealing with a mixture
problem, probably too rich that is causing the engine to die at the
lower rpm. The Kitfox, whether a model 1 or 7 is a good short field
airplane, but prop speed is important so that excessive float isn't
encountered. I idle mine about 2200rpm, but the idle stop is set for
1400 for landing. The 912 shouldn't be very much different and I'm sure
others will chime in soon with their setups.
The 912S is a good package, and probably the best choice out there
for the Kitfox. What probably keeps most people from going with it is
only the price.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth and Alice Jones
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
I'm confused about this subject. I'm a Series 7 builder. I have
a 912S not yet installed. I thought I was building a STOL aircraft that
could land short. I knew the engine idle speed was high, but I thought
the gear box reduced the prop speed so that it was not providing thrust
at idle speed. These messages suggest that is not correct. Do I have
to change to another engine to get STOL landings?
Ken Jones
Waynesboro, PA
Series 7 builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Don, Don't feel like the 'Lone Ranger" I too have been having
fits landing my Kitfox like a normal taildragger.In fact when I first
bought the plane the engine quit on me three times on final (3 different
flights) and the airplane landed very nicely. Well, like a dummy I
adjusted the idle back up so it wouldn't happen again and like you, it
wouldn't land cause you can't get the power back far enough! So now I
have it adjusted as it was and make the rpm part of my landing scan. As
the former owner said it's called "slip and plop" Nature of the beast I
guess. (with a Rotax 912 anyway-weird engine)
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM |
Knew I should have looked it up :-) it's late here, That's my excuse and I'm sticking
to it!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morris@tx.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 80HP Idle RPM
Lynn, Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC). ulpower.com has info on
that engine. Leon Morris/Classic 4/60%/ Flower Mound,TX
---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> I'm blanking out here..what's Fadec stand for? Fuel and ? engine
> control? Something else?
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Don G ,you had mentioned that there needs to be a 100 hp engine,air
> > cooled with Fadec. Well there is ! I saw it at the Sebring LSA
> > expo. It looks like a Jabaru (but isn't),has 100 hp and Fadec and
> > is made in Belgium. I talked to the guy about it a little and it is
> > new and is in a few homebuilts in the US. It is a terrific looking
> > engine and would be well suited to our aircraft. I have a brochure
> > somewhere and I will try to find out the name if you are
> > interested. I no doubt would probably use it if I was building and
> > my Kitfox did not already have the Rotax 912
> >
> > Dick Maddux
> > Fox 4-1200
> > Pensacola,Fl
> >
> >
> >
> > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Lynn:
Take a trip to Hawaii and rent a plane to make it all 50. From what I've seen
the best way to see the islands is form a small plane or even a trike... if you
have the nerve.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the
difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as
camping/distance is concerned?
I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in
Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing
goal...eventual landing goal. : )
Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have
a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
>
> We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
> we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
> we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and camp
> in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a
> little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
>
> Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
> AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. Well land at
> Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a
> short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure
> from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight
> back home.
>
> Do we have any other Kitfoxs on the forum that will be flying
> (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your
> route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we
> will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels,
> etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
>
> We fly out of a private strip, 1,800 (not on sectional) that is
> located about 16 miles southeast of Mobile Regional Airport, MOB.
> I will provide GPS coordinates, pictures, etc of our airport for
> anyone that is interested.
>
> Travis
> :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> IFR with Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170997#170997
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Thanks, Rex. Good info. But there isn't a gap in mine, and if there
was, the inner race of the bearing might rotate around the spacer/
shim, instead of being fixed to the spacer/shim as it should be. The
inner race-to-shim fit must be a good push fit, not sloppy in any
way. I hope I'm not misinterpreting you.
Now I have a question for anybody that has ordered the Spruce
"longlife sealed ball bearings." Did you, Pat? I'm curious about the
size of the ID of these bearings. Did you still need the shim/spacer,
or was the ID of these bearings .500" to fit the Maule axle?
I had ordered the replacement "bearings"...plural...thinking that I
was getting two bearings, and only one showed up. I was so pissed
that I went to my local bearing dealer and bought bearings there,
and returned the one that Spruce sent with a complaint about their
poor description. Now I'm curious about whether those bearings were a
direct fit to the Maule axle or not. If they are, there's no need for
the tubing shim/spacer.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> Back from my Bearing shop trip. First I'll answer your question. By
> "gap" I meant that tiny space between the O.D. of the spacer/shim
> and the I.D. of the bearings through which grease would migrate out
> if the wheel were to be used as designed. In other words; as the
> original Maule wheel is designed by having a zerk fitting in the
> hub. (Where grease in injected into the hub, but better bearings
> were used). Since you used sealed bearings the zerk fitting is not
> needed, but left in place. I will recommend the zerk fitting be
> replaced with a plug and will try to source a part for that.
> I plan to replace the existing bearings with the same type as you
> did, but my supplier was able to quote me a comparable bearing at
> $4 each! I actually showed him the print-out from BocaBearings.com
> and he used the same P/N for the quote. He only had one in stock so
> I'll go back Friday to pick them up. I did look at the one he had
> and it looked like the photos. It may be another brand, but should
> be good. I suspect Boca Bearings are over priced. Perhaps someone
> expert about this subject could comment.
> He also showed me a reducer bushing which which does the same thing
> as the spacer you and others had to make for the 1/2" to 5/8"
> difference of the axle and bearing I.D. This one was made of a
> rolled steel tube which has a closed seam and is plated. It fits
> easily (perhaps too easily) in the existing cheap bearings of the
> new wheel, but my application is to cut it to length to work as a
> internal spacer. From your text you show understanding of this
> method. I will also add appropriate washers as spacers to prevent
> the nut or opposite axle shoulder from rubbing against the bearing
> seal. The intent is to capture the wheel/bearing assembly on the
> axle, not clamp it. Thus with any clamping pressure from improper
> assembly the axle nut would not place any undue side load on the
> inner races. Since the axle and nut use a cotter pin the idea is to
> fix the nut at the point where minimal side to side play is
> attained. Shims may be used to fine tune the play. The axle nut
> (for those not aware) is not to be tightened against the bearing or
> even the spacer.
>
> Hopefully my description here shows I understand the concept for
> proper wheel bearing assembly. Please, anyone, let me know if it's
> not clear enough as this is practice and preliminary content for
> the instructions to be used for the Wiki page. I will be using
> photos and will add text and arrows to them where it helps.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>>
>> Rex-
>> I'm not sure what you meant by "The small gap between the tube
>> spacer and inner bearing races"... The way I did it, there is no
>> small gap. The tube I used is 5/8" OD and 1/2" ID, and is meant
>> to be used as a "shim" between the size of the shaft...1/2", and
>> the ID of the bearings that I got, which was 5/8". The bearings
>> that you cited are already 1/2" ID, so the tube spacer is not
>> required as a shim or sleeve. If you are using those Boca
>> bearings that you mentioned, no sleeve is needed, but maybe you
>> are using it to prevent the inner races of the two bearings from
>> undo stress or load, if the nut is tightened too much. That is a
>> good idea. But in that circumstance, there should be no gap as
>> you mentioned. Am I reading you right?
>> By the way, for those that haven't done this Spruce Homebuilder's
>> tailwheel swap, the bearings that come...or at least those that
>> came with my tailwheel from Spruce...are bad news, in that they
>> are rough to the feel when turned, and when my departed bearing
>> guy looked up the load application, he said they were meant for
>> the speed of a hand truck, or loading dolly. And they were Heim
>> bearings....once a good name in bearings and maybe still so, but
>> these particular bearings don't belong in the tailwheel of our
>> airplanes. These particular bearings have a sleeve in them which
>> takes the ID down to 1/2", and when replacing these Heim
>> bearings, I could find the proper 1.375" OD bearing, but not the .
>> 500" ID. The only bearing that was available to the bearing
>> dealer that I dealt with was the 1.375" ID, but with . 625" ID,
>> hence my use of the shim/sleeve to make up the difference in
>> diameters between the bearing ID and axle OD. Then, just to
>> simplify matters, I made the sleeve sort of become a "diameter-
>> increasing" sleeve for the axle, and slid the wheel onto it. My
>> nut then bears upon this sleeve, and does not put a sideways load
>> on the inner race of the bearings. This is what must be avoided.
>> There can be no sideways load on a normal ball bearing. Some ball
>> bearings are designed to have a slight load on them, but I don't
>> think they are in the $18 range for this size bearing.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Grass Lake, Michigan
>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> flying w/480+ hrs
>
>
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