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1. 02:41 AM - Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging (dave)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Lynn Matteson)
3. 04:13 AM - Cracked Sensenich (fox5flyer)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Southern Skies)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (paul wilson)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Lynn Matteson)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Tom Jones)
8. 07:14 AM - Re: Cracked Sensenich (Lynn Matteson)
9. 07:16 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Lynn Matteson)
10. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Tom Jones)
12. 08:47 AM - New Kitfox fourm available (Randy Lervold)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Rick)
14. 09:25 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Rueb, Duane)
15. 09:52 AM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Randy Lervold)
16. 09:52 AM - Prince P-Tip vs IVO (wingnut)
17. 10:58 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Lynn Matteson)
18. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Guy Buchanan)
19. 01:34 PM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (patrick reilly)
20. 02:15 PM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Lynn Matteson)
21. 02:17 PM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (kitfoxmike)
22. 02:18 PM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (kitfoxmike)
23. 02:38 PM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Lynn Matteson)
24. 02:52 PM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Rueb, Duane)
25. 03:33 PM - Bakken Oil Fields (Donroutledge@aol.com)
26. 03:51 PM - Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (SkySteve)
27. 04:05 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (FlyboyTR)
28. 04:17 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (SkySteve)
29. 06:02 PM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (dave)
30. 06:44 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (James Shumaker)
31. 06:55 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (Randy Daughenbaugh)
32. 07:26 PM - Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging (vetdrem)
33. 07:38 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
34. 08:08 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (FlyboyTR)
35. 08:15 PM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (kitfoxmike)
36. 10:09 PM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging |
[quoteI built a platform to mount the johnson bar, double pully, etc. With everything
hooked up, I can cycle the gear up and down, and I think that I finally
got all the timing correct.
My question is, about how much force is normally required to retract the gear?
I have no idea what to expect, so I am concerned that I have something wrong,
and may brake something.
If you fly aerocet 1100 amphibs, could you guess how many pounds of pull is required
to do the retract. ][/quote]
Louie, Good work. Make sure your gear is actually going over center on each wheel.
If there is any that are going over center early you could be getting more
resistance
- Also if you cables are too tight you will get more resistance from each one -main
and nose wheels cables all add up to be more resistance.
When i got my 1100s all i got was the floats, struts ,spreader bars and the johnson
bar and cables from floats. I made the bullwheel and all 4130 fittings that
goes under the seat. you need a good pull....... how much ? well i would
guess 50 to 80 pounds at the most. It helps to have your should belt on.
I have most install info for the 1100s scanned online if you need it let me know.
I plan on installing mine in hte nextd few weeks with time permitting. Lake season
is nearly here but I am having a blast on the King fox tires right now.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Duanesky-
I might as well fess up the whole stupid story, as long as you asked.
I only sent the details to a "lister" who asked, but here's what I
did, and maybe others will benefit from it. This is what I wrote
earlier:
***************************
Well, by golly, after thinking it was going on the wall right next to
a deer head, it might just make it after all. I began by thinking
that I didn't want to trust a questionable $600 prop on a $13,000
engine (today's price), but after hearing 10 weeks for Sensenich and
15 weeks for a new Prince (and $1500), I decided to see if I could
fix the crack. The cracked piece is about 3/8" wide and 4 1/2" long,
but still fastened to the rest of the prop. Well, now it's fastened
even better. I dribbled Super Glue into the crack and held it
together, then moved further along and glued some more, etc. By the
time I got to the end of the crack, I could barely flex the joint
open enough to get more worked into the crack. There was also a dent
on the edge of the cracked piece. Recalling my wood-working days, I
sanded the finish off the dented area, and wet it down with water.
Then I fired up my model airplane covering iron, and ran it over the
dented area. Lo and behold, the dent almost came totally back to
level with the rest of the prop. I sanded the cracked area flush, and
mixed up some Hysol and applied it into what was left of the dent and
it is hardening in the sun right now. I really think it's going to be
ok after all...time will tell.
While the glue was setting up, I talked with Lonnie Prince of Prince
P-Tip Props, and asked about a new prop. This is when I learned about
the 15 weeks delivery time. For 50% more money they will crank one
out in 15 days....thanks, but no thanks. He really sounds like a good
guy, and he even gave me some pointers on fixing the crack, which I
would have followed if I hadn't already had it stuck back together. I
only live about 75 miles from his operation, and he said it'd be ok
to visit and see how they make the props....but he said "wear your
work clothes."
His props sound like the best of both worlds, as they flex from a
climb pitch to a cruise pitch as the load on the prop changes. I'm
awfully tempted to order one of them. He also said that if the prop
doesn't satisfy me (or anybody), he will re-pitch it, or build a new
prop, and cost would be only the shipping involved. That's a pretty
good guarantee in my book.
Part of my motivation in fixing the prop was imagining that I was
stranded in Alaska, or out in the desert, and having this
happen....I'd damn well fix it under those circumstances, and fly it
out of there with caution. As Lonnie concurred, fly it carefully,
with one hand near the mag switch, just in case the piece let go.
Actually, the piece is probably so thin and light, that it wouldn't
cause a radical out-of-balance condition, but would allow for a short
flight to a favorable landing area.
Lynn
p.s. I probably would not want to trust this prop going over the
mountains into Virginia, but a few flights around here will prove the
fix one way or the other.
******************************
So there it is, the whole sordid story, which came out a whole lot
better than I first expected it to. I was looking at a down time of
at least 10 weeks, but 24 hours later, all seems to be well. After
the repair, I flew it from my place and landed a few miles away, then
took a lap around Michigan International Speedway (at 4000' ) then home.
Just to further explain the crack, it was on the trailing edge, as
the engine was rotated backwards by the air pressure when he let go
of the prop. (Don't try this at home) This Sensenich prop has a
plastic (of some sort) leading edge, and the leading edge wraps
around the tip, and this edge helped hold the cracked piece onto the
prop. I don't know why I didn't shoot a picture of the damn thing
before I repaired it, but I'll post a shot of the repair later.
You know me well enough Duane, to know I'd have to give a repair a
shot....I've got just enough "shade tree mechanic" in me, and lack of
better sense than to just sit still for a replacement prop to show
up. : ) Gotta keep rackin' up those hours if I'm gonna catch you!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Lynners:
>
> What the H. happened to your prop? Did it come un-glued? Wow that
> is big medicine to have to fix a prop!
>
> Duanesky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:22 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
>
>
> Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back
> together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15
> weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P-
> Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop
> on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.
>
> Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and
> the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being
> able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who
> would have to do the wait, worry, and pay, before flying again.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/528 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Cracked Sensenich |
Two questions, Lynn. Did you order the Prince? And, how is the guy who was
helping you?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 375+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
>
> Duanesky-
>
> I might as well fess up the whole stupid story, as long as you asked. I
> only sent the details to a "lister" who asked, but here's what I did, and
> maybe others will benefit from it. This is what I wrote earlier:
>
> ***************************
>
> Well, by golly, after thinking it was going on the wall right next to a
> deer head, it might just make it after all. I began by thinking that I
> didn't want to trust a questionable $600 prop on a $13,000 engine
> (today's price), but after hearing 10 weeks for Sensenich and 15 weeks
> for a new Prince (and $1500), I decided to see if I could fix the crack.
> The cracked piece is about 3/8" wide and 4 1/2" long, but still fastened
> to the rest of the prop. Well, now it's fastened even better. I dribbled
> Super Glue into the crack and held it together, then moved further along
> and glued some more, etc. By the time I got to the end of the crack, I
> could barely flex the joint open enough to get more worked into the
> crack. There was also a dent on the edge of the cracked piece. Recalling
> my wood-working days, I sanded the finish off the dented area, and wet it
> down with water. Then I fired up my model airplane covering iron, and ran
> it over the dented area. Lo and behold, the dent almost came totally back
> to level with the rest of the prop. I sanded the cracked area flush, and
> mixed up some Hysol and applied it into what was left of the dent and it
> is hardening in the sun right now. I really think it's going to be ok
> after all...time will tell.
>
> While the glue was setting up, I talked with Lonnie Prince of Prince
> P-Tip Props, and asked about a new prop. This is when I learned about the
> 15 weeks delivery time. For 50% more money they will crank one out in 15
> days....thanks, but no thanks. He really sounds like a good guy, and he
> even gave me some pointers on fixing the crack, which I would have
> followed if I hadn't already had it stuck back together. I only live
> about 75 miles from his operation, and he said it'd be ok to visit and
> see how they make the props....but he said "wear your work clothes."
>
> His props sound like the best of both worlds, as they flex from a climb
> pitch to a cruise pitch as the load on the prop changes. I'm awfully
> tempted to order one of them. He also said that if the prop doesn't
> satisfy me (or anybody), he will re-pitch it, or build a new prop, and
> cost would be only the shipping involved. That's a pretty good guarantee
> in my book.
>
> Part of my motivation in fixing the prop was imagining that I was
> stranded in Alaska, or out in the desert, and having this happen....I'd
> damn well fix it under those circumstances, and fly it out of there with
> caution. As Lonnie concurred, fly it carefully, with one hand near the
> mag switch, just in case the piece let go. Actually, the piece is
> probably so thin and light, that it wouldn't cause a radical
> out-of-balance condition, but would allow for a short flight to a
> favorable landing area.
>
> Lynn
> p.s. I probably would not want to trust this prop going over the
> mountains into Virginia, but a few flights around here will prove the fix
> one way or the other.
> ******************************
> So there it is, the whole sordid story, which came out a whole lot better
> than I first expected it to. I was looking at a down time of at least 10
> weeks, but 24 hours later, all seems to be well. After the repair, I flew
> it from my place and landed a few miles away, then took a lap around
> Michigan International Speedway (at 4000' ) then home.
>
> Just to further explain the crack, it was on the trailing edge, as the
> engine was rotated backwards by the air pressure when he let go of the
> prop. (Don't try this at home) This Sensenich prop has a plastic (of some
> sort) leading edge, and the leading edge wraps around the tip, and this
> edge helped hold the cracked piece onto the prop. I don't know why I
> didn't shoot a picture of the damn thing before I repaired it, but I'll
> post a shot of the repair later.
> You know me well enough Duane, to know I'd have to give a repair a
> shot....I've got just enough "shade tree mechanic" in me, and lack of
> better sense than to just sit still for a replacement prop to show up.
> : ) Gotta keep rackin' up those hours if I'm gonna catch you!
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/528 hrs
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
>
>> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>>
>> Lynners:
>>
>> What the H. happened to your prop? Did it come un-glued? Wow that is
>> big medicine to have to fix a prop!
>>
>> Duanesky
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:22 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
>>
>>
>> Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back
>> together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15
>> weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P-
>> Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop
>> on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.
>>
>> Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and
>> the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being
>> able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who
>> would have to do the wait, worry, and pay, before flying again.
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200
>> Status: flying w/528 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
Thank you all for the tips. I forgot to mention that I have a BRS behind the co-pilot
seat. Not sure how any weight could be moved forward- if this is a CG issue-
perhaps the ELT battery, it is behind the seat also. Battery is in engine
compartment. I did not build the plane but checked the builders log regarding
CG and that all looks o.k. The BRS was added afterward but there is no other
option to mount it. The header tank is behind the seats also. I'm a lightweight
pilot at 160 lbs. With a passenger its not as pronounced.
I'll do another CG check but I suspect the thrust line or rigging is at fault.
The prop is a 2 blade Tennessee Propeller 72x44- somewhat lighter than the 3 blade
Ivo that was damaged in the groundloop by the previous owner.
The engine was removed and sent for overhaul so perhaps when it was put back in
something didn't get installed the way it was- if there is any down angle to
it in the first place.
I did move the forward attachment bracket on the horizontal stabilizer in the uppermost
hole already but still need plenty of forward stick when climbing. If
I were to let go of the stick during climb the plane would quickly pitch up and
likely stall (haven't tried it....) it scares me a bit and I would like to
fix it.
Chris Bowles
KF 3 N727PD
Rotax 582
-----Original Message-----
>Time: 06:00:43 AM PST US
>From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout
>
>
>One of the Skystar tips way back when was to have multiple holes in
>the front elevator attachment in order to fine tune the elevator
>angle to deal with the issue you have..
>Paul
>=================
>
>At 06:16 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>Hello Listers,
>>
>>I could use some advice regarding elevator and/or engine mount "trim".
>>
>>While being pretty new to the Kitfox (1 year, 38 hrs experience) I
>>enjoy the plane very much after learning the rudder pedal dance. I
>>am wondering if something can be adjusted on the elevator or the engine mount.
>>
>>During full power climb out I have to push that stick way forward to
>>maintain even 55 mph airspeed. Once levelled to cruise I still need
>>to push forward (or pull up on the flap handle about half way).
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
Yes I bet the cg is not optimum and is worth checking.
Options :
- Bigger main battery - heavier
- Remove the BRS not much use for it on a slow plane. - lighten up
the plane & move the cg fwd.
- Move the elevator. Drill another hole . If no room take it off and
add metal to provide more room for the next hole. These items are
common fixes discussed over the years.
The elevator and heavy battery are mods that degrade the performance.
Lighter weight will help performance more than you think.
IMO. I would not mess with the engine mount.
Paul
===============
At 05:54 AM 6/13/2008, you wrote:
>
>Thank you all for the tips. I forgot to mention that I have a BRS
>behind the co-pilot seat. Not sure how any weight could be moved
>forward- if this is a CG issue- perhaps the ELT battery, it is
>behind the seat also. Battery is in engine compartment. I did not
>build the plane but checked the builders log regarding CG and that
>all looks o.k. The BRS was added afterward but there is no other
>option to mount it. The header tank is behind the seats also. I'm a
>lightweight pilot at 160 lbs. With a passenger its not as pronounced.
>I'll do another CG check but I suspect the thrust line or rigging is at fault.
>
>The prop is a 2 blade Tennessee Propeller 72x44- somewhat lighter
>than the 3 blade Ivo that was damaged in the groundloop by the previous owner.
>
>The engine was removed and sent for overhaul so perhaps when it was
>put back in something didn't get installed the way it was- if there
>is any down angle to it in the first place.
>
>I did move the forward attachment bracket on the horizontal
>stabilizer in the uppermost hole already but still need plenty of
>forward stick when climbing. If I were to let go of the stick during
>climb the plane would quickly pitch up and likely stall (haven't
>tried it....) it scares me a bit and I would like to fix it.
>
>Chris Bowles
>KF 3 N727PD
>Rotax 582
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >Time: 06:00:43 AM PST US
> >From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout
> >
> >
> >One of the Skystar tips way back when was to have multiple holes in
> >the front elevator attachment in order to fine tune the elevator
> >angle to deal with the issue you have..
> >Paul
> >=================
> >
> >At 06:16 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >>Hello Listers,
> >>
> >>I could use some advice regarding elevator and/or engine mount "trim".
> >>
> >>While being pretty new to the Kitfox (1 year, 38 hrs experience) I
> >>enjoy the plane very much after learning the rudder pedal dance. I
> >>am wondering if something can be adjusted on the elevator or the
> engine mount.
> >>
> >>During full power climb out I have to push that stick way forward to
> >>maintain even 55 mph airspeed. Once levelled to cruise I still need
> >>to push forward (or pull up on the flap handle about half way).
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Duanesky-
I might as well fess up the whole stupid story, as long as you asked.
I only sent the details to a "lister" who asked, but here's what I
did, and maybe others will benefit from it. This is what I wrote
earlier:
***************************
Well, by golly, after thinking it was going on the wall right next to
a deer head, it might just make it after all. I began by thinking
that I didn't want to trust a questionable $600 prop on a $13,000
engine (today's price), but after hearing 10 weeks for Sensenich and
15 weeks for a new Prince (and $1500), I decided to see if I could
fix the crack. The cracked piece is about 3/8" wide and 4 1/2" long,
but still fastened to the rest of the prop. Well, now it's fastened
even better. I dribbled Super Glue into the crack and held it
together, then moved further along and glued some more, etc. By the
time I got to the end of the crack, I could barely flex the joint
open enough to get more worked into the crack. There was also a dent
on the edge of the cracked piece. Recalling my wood-working days, I
sanded the finish off the dented area, and wet it down with water.
Then I fired up my model airplane covering iron, and ran it over the
dented area. Lo and behold, the dent almost came totally back to
level with the rest of the prop. I sanded the cracked area flush, and
mixed up some Hysol and applied it into what was left of the dent and
it is hardening in the sun right now. I really think it's going to be
ok after all...time will tell.
While the glue was setting up, I talked with Lonnie Prince of Prince
P-Tip Props, and asked about a new prop. This is when I learned about
the 15 weeks delivery time. For 50% more money they will crank one
out in 15 days....thanks, but no thanks. He really sounds like a good
guy, and he even gave me some pointers on fixing the crack, which I
would have followed if I hadn't already had it stuck back together. I
only live about 75 miles from his operation, and he said it'd be ok
to visit and see how they make the props....but he said "wear your
work clothes."
His props sound like the best of both worlds, as they flex from a
climb pitch to a cruise pitch as the load on the prop changes. I'm
awfully tempted to order one of them. He also said that if the prop
doesn't satisfy me (or anybody), he will re-pitch it, or build a new
prop, and cost would be only the shipping involved. That's a pretty
good guarantee in my book.
Part of my motivation in fixing the prop was imagining that I was
stranded in Alaska, or out in the desert, and having this
happen....I'd damn well fix it under those circumstances, and fly it
out of there with caution. As Lonnie concurred, fly it carefully,
with one hand near the mag switch, just in case the piece let go.
Actually, the piece is probably so thin and light, that it wouldn't
cause a radical out-of-balance condition, but would allow for a short
flight to a favorable landing area.
Lynn
p.s. I probably would not want to trust this prop going over the
mountains into Virginia, but a few flights around here will prove the
fix one way or the other.
******************************
So there it is, the whole sordid story, which came out a whole lot
better than I first expected it to. I was looking at a down time of
at least 10 weeks, but 24 hours later, all seems to be well. After
the repair, I flew it from my place and landed a few miles away, then
took a lap around Michigan International Speedway (at 4000' ) then home.
Just to further explain the crack, it was on the trailing edge, as
the engine was rotated backwards by the air pressure when he let go
of the prop. (Don't try this at home) This Sensenich prop has a
plastic (of some sort) leading edge, and the leading edge wraps
around the tip, and this edge helped hold the cracked piece onto the
prop. I don't know why I didn't shoot a picture of the damn thing
before I repaired it, but I've posted a shot of the repair below.
You know me well enough Duane, to know I'd have to give a repair a
shot....I've got just enough "shade tree mechanic" in me, and lack of
good sense than to just sit still for a replacement prop to show
up. : ) Gotta keep rackin' up those hours if I'm gonna catch up to you.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Lynners:
>
> What the H. happened to your prop? Did it come un-glued? Wow that
> is big medicine to have to fix a prop!
>
> Duanesky
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
> Thank you all for the tips. I forgot to mention that I have a BRS behind the
co-pilot seat. Not sure how any weight could be moved forward- if this is a CG
issue- perhaps the ELT battery, it is behind the seat also. Battery is in engine
compartment. I did not build the plane but checked the builders log regarding
CG and that all looks o.k. The BRS was added afterward but there is no other
option to mount it. The header tank is behind the seats also. I'm a lightweight
pilot at 160 lbs. With a passenger its not as pronounced.
> I'll do another CG check but I suspect the thrust line or rigging is at fault.
Chris, with the above information I now lean heavily toward an adverse aft CG being
the problem. If I am understanding the chart on the BRS web site (over 80
pounds for a 1050 model) one mounted behind the seat is heavy enough to easily
put the CG behind the aft limit of a kitfox.
http://brsparachutes.com/files/Documents/BRS%20Retail%20Price%20List%20June%2008.pdf
Given the history of modifications to the airplane you should re-weigh it to be
sure.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187729#187729
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked Sensenich |
Deke-
I haven't ordered yet, as I'd like to visit the site near Toledo, OH,
and talk to owner Lonnie in person, and get a better feel for the
suggested prop which is 58x40 versus my Sensenich which is 62x46. The
description that I read on their website says that air spills off the
end of a normal prop, and eddies around the back of the prop, thereby
reducing the effective diameter of the prop, due to the reduced
"lift" of the last few inches of each end of the prop. So the 58"
diameter of the P-Tip sounds like about right (2" off each end to
offset the eddy current area (I'm guessing here), but the 40" versus
my present 46" has me questioning. He says, and others have said that
Sensenich seems to have large numbers when grading their pitches, so
Lonnie might be right.
Nihl, who was helping me, has a swollen hand, but the bandage is off,
and the cut has healed real well. There is bruising evident even with
his suntan. Anybody else would have paid a visit to his attorney by
now....: )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
On Jun 13, 2008, at 7:06 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Two questions, Lynn. Did you order the Prince? And, how is the
> guy who was helping you?
> Deke Morisse
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
To the group-
Sorry about the double posting....when I got back home with the
pictures, I saw the post that I thought I had sent in my outbox, and
thinking that I hadn't sent it, sent it again with the picture.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
I just looked in the Aircraft Spruce catalog, and the cannister packed 1050
lb BRS weighs 28 lbs and the soft pack weighs 24 lbs. Just my opinion, bu
t shouldn't you do a weight and balence so you know for sure. Planes someh
ow get heavier as they age (like a lot of wives) (fortunatly not mine) and
adding 24 or 28 lbs at once is quite a change. I think the FAA regs prob
ably would require the W/B also with that much change. Jim Chuk Avids, k
itfox 4 Mn> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout> From:
nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:08:44 -0700> To: kitfox-lis
@elltel.net>> > > > Thank you all for the tips. I forgot to mention that I
have a BRS behind the co-pilot seat. Not sure how any weight could be moved
forward- if this is a CG issue- perhaps the ELT battery, it is behind the
seat also. Battery is in engine compartment. I did not build the plane but
checked the builders log regarding CG and that all looks o.k. The BRS was a
dded afterward but there is no other option to mount it. The header tank is
behind the seats also. I'm a lightweight pilot at 160 lbs. With a passenge
r its not as pronounced. > > I'll do another CG check but I suspect the thr
ust line or rigging is at fault. > > > Chris, with the above information I
now lean heavily toward an adverse aft CG being the problem. If I am unders
tanding the chart on the BRS web site (over 80 pounds for a 1050 model) one
mounted behind the seat is heavy enough to easily put the CG behind the af
t limit of a kitfox.> > http://brsparachutes.com/files/Documents/BRS%20Reta
il%20Price%20List%20June%2008.pdf> > Given the history of modifications to
the airplane you should re-weigh it to be sure.> > --------> Tom Jones> Cla
ssic IV> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read th
is topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1877
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
I edited my post above to remove the 80 pounds weight of the BRS. I was confused
by their chart. I was thinking the three systems were three parts of one system
so I added them all together. Not so.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | New Kitfox fourm available |
Kitfoxers,
Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've
started with some different features than are offered here on this list.
Please consider taking a minute to check it out... www.teamkitfox.com
In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd appreciate
your feedback on features you'd like to see.
Randy Lervold
Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
www.mykitfox.com
www.teamkitfox.com
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| Subject: | New Kitfox fourm available |
I like the web page look, but I really think this could be incorporated
into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and experiences of builders
and flyers that make this forum so powerful. Besides it takes money and
personal time to run a forum so why duplicate efforts. I am not
building at present but I really want to know our list be around in 5
years. Maybe you should talk with Matt Dralle off line.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Lervold
Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
Kitfoxers,
Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've
started with some different features than are offered here on this list.
Please consider taking a minute to check it out... www.teamkitfox.com
In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd appreciate
your feedback on features you'd like to see.
Randy Lervold
Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
www.mykitfox.com
www.teamkitfox.com
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| Subject: | Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Lynners:
OK, so much for how you repaired, and I do know you well enough to know that you
would attempt a repair. I am enough the same, and only would have opted for
some other glue, maybe one of the two part super wood glues, but you no doubt
considered all of this.
What I didn't get is the reason for the repair in the first place. I read something
about air turning the prop backwards--? Was this a practice engine out
routine? Or a hand prop number?
Duanesky
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back
together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15
weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P-
Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop
on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.
Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and
the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being
able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who
would have to do the wait, worry, and pay, before flying again.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox fourm available |
MessageHi Rick,
Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and user of
the www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin forum platform
has some significant features that enhance the user experience. Yes, it
is different, but once you get your routine down with forum and thread
subscriptions I think you'll find it to be a better tool. Also, and this
is a biggie, I have it set up to allow pictures to be embedded right in
the messages (although limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks
have digital cameras these days, and we all know that one picture is
worth a thousand words, yet most folks also don't have their own web
sites for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a copy in your message
is powerful indeed. If you check around the web you'll see that all the
truly state-of-the art communities use vbulletin or something
equivalent.
Several years ago the RV community went through this exact transition
and there were a few who didn't understand or support the idea, but over
time the bulk of the community did and never looked back.
Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go where
they like, but you have my commitment to develop TeamKitfox.com into a
truly valuable tool for the community. As an EAA Chapter president,
Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two time RV builder I am in it
for the long run.
Cheers,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
I like the web page look, but I really think this could be
incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and
experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so powerful.
Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum so why duplicate
efforts. I am not building at present but I really want to know our
list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should talk with Matt Dralle off
line.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Lervold
Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
Kitfoxers,
Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've
started with some different features than are offered here on this list.
Please consider taking a minute to check it out... www.teamkitfox.com
In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd
appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see.
Randy Lervold
Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
www.mykitfox.com
www.teamkitfox.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Prince P-Tip vs IVO |
Anyone here running the Prince P-Tip prop on a Model 4 with a 912UL? I have an
IVO and I have no real complaints but if the performance is similar then I'd prefer
the simplicity of a fixed pitch prop.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187754#187754
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Duane-
You musta missed this one of June 11:
*****************
I was doing a compression/leak-down test today, and my buddy was
holding the prop, and I told him to let it go, but get his body and
hands out of the way, and he got all but one hand out of the way, and
it bit him when the other blade came around. The two of us both made
a mistake....me for wanting him to see how the blade would snap
around when released, and him for not being aware of the other blade
coming around. It cut his hand for about a 1-1/2" gash, and stung
pretty good, and put a dent and crack in my prop. So once again, fate
has put the damper on another trip for me, and for him, unless he
decides to go anyway. I feel real bad for him, because he's wanted to
get away from here for so long, and now he may not go after all. The
injury wouldn't keep him here, but just having this happen is such a
bummer. The dumb part of it is I had the leak-down test all done, but
when he drove up, I wanted him to see how the test is done, so I had
him hold the prop to see how much effort it took to do so....bad
decision on my part.
****************
Back to the present:
Because I had fixed a couple of minor "with-the-grain" cracks on the
other end of this prop with SuperGlue, I opted for the same stuff
this time. If I was to do this fix without prior experience on the
exact same wood, I would have gone with what Sensenich built it with
in the first place...recorcinol glue. That stuff is the best. I've
used to do bent wood laminations. One thing about the recorcinol
though...it is a powder (at least what I've used), and it has a shelf
life. When I moved here from California, I went to mix up a batch,
and it didn't even mix right. When I called the company (can't recall
which brand) they said it was expired due to the code on the lid. I
went to the hardware store and tried to buy a can there, and theirs
was expired too. So a word to the wise on expired glues....even the
powdered type which I wouldn't think would die in the can.
Back to the question of glues for this repair. Lonnie Prince told me
that I shouldn't have used the Super Glue because it doesn't hold
well in the harder woods. But I had already got it stuck back
together, so that was that...I even tried to break it apart and
follow his advice (that's coming up), but I couldn't make it part
company. Had I thought I could get the recorcinol glue locally
without a trip to a specialized store (Johnson's Workbench in
Charlotte, Michigan, remember, Duane?), I'd have gone that route.
Now for Lonnie's advice. He told me I should have used Hysol
Structural Adhesive, and spread the joint apart, working the mixed
glue into the joint, then tape it together and let it set up and sand
to shape. That I have, and that I should have done, but it's too late
to do it now, and besides, I've got that long 5-syllable word in 2"
letters inside the cabin of my plane that says I can do
anything...right? Well, more or less. : )
Now I'm not ripping Sensenich for having those cracks that I
mentioned on the other end of the prop. With the humidity changes in
Michigan weather, I'm surprised there aren't more. These cracks were
of the "checking" nature, and I had to really use brute force to
separate them enough to wick some Super Glue in there. And when set
up, I could not again get them open. I'm talkin' almost microscopic
cracks, except for the latest one, and that was gapped open about
1/8" due to the nature of actually hitting the hand...damn, I wished
I had shot a picture!
By the way, leak-down revealed 80/72, 80/80, 80/75, and 80/77. That
80/80 may be a bit suspect, but I might have read the gauge at an angle.
Got another hour of flight in today, and still holding together.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Lynners:
>
> OK, so much for how you repaired, and I do know you well enough to
> know that you would attempt a repair. I am enough the same, and
> only would have opted for some other glue, maybe one of the two
> part super wood glues, but you no doubt considered all of this.
> What I didn't get is the reason for the repair in the first place.
> I read something about air turning the prop backwards--? Was this
> a practice engine out routine? Or a hand prop number?
>
> Duanesky
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox fourm available |
OK Randy, as you well know I can't pull this message back.
But I also can't, in good conscience, allow you to attempt to secure
Matt's market. After all, like you, he puts a lot of work into this
list, wants it to work, and wants membership. Please desist from
marketing your site as a competitive product on this list.
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
At 09:49 AM 6/13/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>
>Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and
>user of the <http://www.vansairforce.net>www.vansairforce.net forums
>I know that the vBulletin forum platform has some significant
>features that enhance the user experience. Yes, it is different, but
>once you get your routine down with forum and thread subscriptions I
>think you'll find it to be a better tool. Also, and this is a
>biggie, I have it set up to allow pictures to be embedded right in
>the messages (although limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most
>folks have digital cameras these days, and we all know that one
>picture is worth a thousand words, yet most folks also don't have
>their own web sites for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a
>copy in your message is powerful indeed. If you check around the web
>you'll see that all the truly state-of-the art communities use
>vbulletin or something equivalent.
>
>Several years ago the RV community went through this exact
>transition and there were a few who didn't understand or support the
>idea, but over time the bulk of the community did and never looked back.
>
>Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go
>where they like, but you have my commitment to develop
>TeamKitfox.com into a truly valuable tool for the community. As an
>EAA Chapter president, Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two
>time RV builder I am in it for the long run.
>
>Cheers,
>Randy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>Rick
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
>
>I like the web page look, but I really think this could be
>incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and
>experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so powerful.
>Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum so why
>duplicate efforts. I am not building at present but I really want
>to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should talk with
>Matt Dralle off line.
>
>
>Rick
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
>Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
>
>Kitfoxers,
>
>Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've
>started with some different features than are offered here on this
>list. Please consider taking a minute to check it out...
><http://www.teamkitfox.com>www.teamkitfox.com
>In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd
>appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see.
>
>Randy Lervold
>Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
><http://www.mykitfox.com>www.mykitfox.com
>www.teamkitfox.com
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
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| Subject: | New Kitfox fourm available |
Rick, Good Luck with the web page. This one works pretty well. I am also in
terested in RV's but to me Van's Airforce web is too complex. Us Kitfoxers
are simple folk. Hell, Lynn and Deke up in MI still use Kerosene powered co
mputers and I think Noel and Dave in Canada are running wood fired MACs. We
don't mind hitting the keyboard 2 or 3 times to get info, but, Damn it, th
at's it!
Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
From: randy@romeolima.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-L
ist: New Kitfox fourm availableDate: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:31 -0700
Hi Rick,
Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and user of th
e www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin forum platform has
some significant features that enhance the user experience. Yes, it is diff
erent, but once you get your routine down with forum and thread subscriptio
ns I think you'll find it to be a better tool. Also, and this is a biggie,
I have it set up to allow pictures to be embedded right in the messages (al
though limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks have digital camera
s these days, and we all know that one picture is worth a thousand words, y
et most folks also don't have their own web sites for posting pics. Therefo
re simply putting a copy in your message is powerful indeed. If you check a
round the web you'll see that all the truly state-of-the art communities us
e vbulletin or something equivalent.
Several years ago the RV community went through this exact transition and t
here were a few who didn't understand or support the idea, but over time th
e bulk of the community did and never looked back.
Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go where th
ey like, but you have my commitment to develop TeamKitfox.com into a truly
valuable tool for the community. As an EAA Chapter president, Technical Cou
nselor, Flight Advisor, and two time RV builder I am in it for the long run
.
Cheers,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
I like the web page look, but I really think this could be incorporated int
o the existing forum. It is the knowledge and experiences of builders and f
lyers that make this forum so powerful. Besides it takes money and personal
time to run a forum so why duplicate efforts. I am not building at presen
t but I really want to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should
talk with Matt Dralle off line.
Rick
-----Original Message-----From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mai
lto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy LervoldSent:
2008-06-13 08:42To: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: New Kit
fox fourm available
Kitfoxers,
Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've started
with some different features than are offered here on this list. Please co
nsider taking a minute to check it out... www.teamkitfox.com
In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd appreciate you
r feedback on features you'd like to see.
Randy Lervold
Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
www.mykitfox.com
www.teamkitfox.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhr
ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox fourm available |
I'm gonna trade my kerosene Mac in on a corn-powered Mac as soon as
they can down-grade to that technology.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
do not archive
On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:29 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Rick, Good Luck with the web page. This one works pretty well. I am
> also interested in RV's but to me Van's Airforce web is too
> complex. Us Kitfoxers are simple folk. Hell, Lynn and Deke up in MI
> still use Kerosene powered computers and I think Noel and Dave in
> Canada are running wood fired MACs. We don't mind hitting the
> keyboard 2 or 3 times to get info, but, Damn it, that's it!
> Do Not Archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> From: randy@romeolima.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:31 -0700
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and
> user of the www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin
> forum platform has some significant features that enhance the user
> experience. Yes, it is different, but once you get your routine
> down with forum and thread subscriptions I think you'll find it to
> be a better tool. Also, and this is a biggie, I have it set up to
> allow pictures to be embedded right in the messages (although
> limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks have digital
> cameras these days, and we all know that one picture is worth a
> thousand words, yet most folks also don't have their own web sites
> for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a copy in your message
> is powerful indeed. If you check around the web you'll see that all
> the truly state-of-the art communities use vbulletin or something
> equivalent.
>
> Several years ago the RV community went through this exact
> transition and there were a few who didn't understand or support
> the idea, but over time the bulk of the community did and never
> looked back.
>
> Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go
> where they like, but you have my commitment to develop
> TeamKitfox.com into a truly valuable tool for the community. As an
> EAA Chapter president, Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two
> time RV builder I am in it for the long run.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
>
> I like the web page look, but I really think this could be
> incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and
> experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so
> powerful. Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum
> so why duplicate efforts. I am not building at present but I
> really want to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should
> talk with Matt Dralle off line.
>
>
> Rick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
> Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
>
> Kitfoxers,
>
> Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've
> started with some different features than are offered here on this
> list. Please consider taking a minute to check it
> out...www.teamkitfox.com
> In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd
> appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see.
>
> Randy Lervold
> Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
> www.mykitfox.com
> www.teamkitfox.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
before you do anything, you must do a weight and balance. Once you are done with
that, than we can help you. Make sure and give us the specs from the weight
and balance.
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
Oh and if you didn't know, the weight and balance is done with dry weight. No
fuel and no extras like luggage.
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
A word or two about the picture that I posted earlier on this thread,
just to answer those who might question my sanity (any further):
The white area at the bottom of the prop is a reflection, as the
light was coming from behind me, and I didn't feel the subject was
worthy of me wasting my time to try to rig up a diffuser, or
reposition the sunlight. : )
The dark area and specks of dark in that reflection area is the
recorcinol glue used by Sensenich to glue the laminations together.
The grey area on the cracked portion is the Hysol Structural Adhesive
that I used to build up the area that did not respond to the water-
soak and heat treatment.
After re-attachment, dent removal procedure, filling and sanding up
to 600 grit paper, I sprayed the repair with spar varnish as used by
Sensenich. Oh, yeah, I also sprayed the other end of the prop to try
to keep the balance as close as possible....shadetree? You betcha,
but any port in a storm, so to speak.
The joint is secure, and there is not a bit of surface offset or any
other way to determine that a repair was made other than visual...the
joint passed the "fingernail test." If I handed you the prop
blindfolded, you would not be able to find the repair. You might feel
the carcasses of dead bugs, however. It may fly off the prop
tomorrow, but it has lasted the 1.4 hours of testing so far, and I
suspect it'll last a bit longer.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
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| Subject: | New Kitfox fourm available |
Lynners:
I had you figured for a hybrid mac - corn/and solar. That way you can use the
fast lane free. Oh well, keep peddling.
Duanesky
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
I'm gonna trade my kerosene Mac in on a corn-powered Mac as soon as
they can down-grade to that technology.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
do not archive
On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:29 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Rick, Good Luck with the web page. This one works pretty well. I am
> also interested in RV's but to me Van's Airforce web is too
> complex. Us Kitfoxers are simple folk. Hell, Lynn and Deke up in MI
> still use Kerosene powered computers and I think Noel and Dave in
> Canada are running wood fired MACs. We don't mind hitting the
> keyboard 2 or 3 times to get info, but, Damn it, that's it!
> Do Not Archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> From: randy@romeolima.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:31 -0700
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and
> user of the www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin
> forum platform has some significant features that enhance the user
> experience. Yes, it is different, but once you get your routine
> down with forum and thread subscriptions I think you'll find it to
> be a better tool. Also, and this is a biggie, I have it set up to
> allow pictures to be embedded right in the messages (although
> limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks have digital
> cameras these days, and we all know that one picture is worth a
> thousand words, yet most folks also don't have their own web sites
> for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a copy in your message
> is powerful indeed. If you check around the web you'll see that all
> the truly state-of-the art communities use vbulletin or something
> equivalent.
>
> Several years ago the RV community went through this exact
> transition and there were a few who didn't understand or support
> the idea, but over time the bulk of the community did and never
> looked back.
>
> Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go
> where they like, but you have my commitment to develop
> TeamKitfox.com into a truly valuable tool for the community. As an
> EAA Chapter president, Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two
> time RV builder I am in it for the long run.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
>
> I like the web page look, but I really think this could be
> incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and
> experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so
> powerful. Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum
> so why duplicate efforts. I am not building at present but I
> really want to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should
> talk with Matt Dralle off line.
>
>
> Rick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
> Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available
>
> Kitfoxers,
>
> Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've
> started with some different features than are offered here on this
> list. Please consider taking a minute to check it
> out...www.teamkitfox.com
> In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd
> appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see.
>
> Randy Lervold
> Kitfox Super Sport, just starting
> www.mykitfox.com
> www.teamkitfox.com
>
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| Subject: | Bakken Oil Fields |
Can any of you 'Foxers out in North Dakota, Montana or Saskatchewan, or
anywhere else, tell me off-line who the smart drillers are in the Bakken oil
deposits? Gotta be offline though, don't want to stir the pot. Any information
would be appreciated. Thanks, Don
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| Subject: | Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
I am considering painting the outside 2 to 3 inches of my prop to make it more
visible while running. I have a Warp Drive prop and would probably paint white
tips on it with just a can of regular white spray paint. Any chance of changing
the balance of the prop? Good idea or bad?
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
In the past I have used spray paint (or clear coat) to balance several props.
Yes, It can change your balance...how much??? It's really hard to get the same
amount on each blade. Also, after it drys it weighs a little less. A two blade
prop is more prone to small changes in balance than is a three blade. ...Not
sure what you have.
Also, adding anything to the ends of the prop can make a big change in balance!
I like the idea of painted tips! Much more visible...but only paint the front!
:D
Travis
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
My Warp Drive is a 3 blade. Sounds like it might not be a good idea for a novice
like me to be painting a prop.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 134 - 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
DO a W & Balance.
and /or remove the BRS -- then re weigh.
try it without the BRS.
don;t want to stir a controversy on BRS but I will say that I won't fly a pane
that needs a chute unless it strapped to me and I am doing test flights.
I notice you move your horizontal stab up a notch ? I have flown Kitfox with it
too low after float removal and it does give a little pull. Kitfox control are
very light overall though.
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
I paint the outer tip of the prop on the back for visibility. -The front
I paint as needed for repairs.- I use yellow because it is visible and ma
tches my plane.- Balance with a lawnmower blade balancer, available at Se
ars.=0AJim Shumaker=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: SkySteve <W
ilson@REinfo.org>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 13,
2008 3:48:28 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance
=0AI am considering painting the outside 2 to 3 inches of my prop to make i
t more visible while running.- I have a Warp Drive prop and would probabl
y paint white tips on it with just a can of regular white spray paint.- A
ny chance of changing the balance of the prop?- Good idea or bad?=0A=0A--
------=0ASteve Wilson=0AHuntsville, UT=0AKitfox I-IV 85DD=0A912A / 3 Blade
Warp Drive =0AConvertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this
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| Subject: | Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
Steve,
I checked with manufacturer about this and they said it was unlikely that I
would make them out of balance if I did all three blades the same. I did do
a couple of inches on the back of the blade too. I think it is a good
safety move.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SkySteve
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance
I am considering painting the outside 2 to 3 inches of my prop to make it
more visible while running. I have a Warp Drive prop and would probably
paint white tips on it with just a can of regular white spray paint. Any
chance of changing the balance of the prop? Good idea or bad?
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging |
Thanks for the response Dave.
The only other thing that I am not sure about, when down, all four wheels lock
down as they are supposed to, but when retracked, the mains lock over-centered
as required, but the nose wheels don't seem to. Should the nose wheels lock
over-center when retracted, or are they held up by the cables alone? If they
need to lock over-center, I need to tweak on the adjustment some more.
Louie
191GW
model 3 912ul
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| Subject: | Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
A couple of months ago, I had the prop off my Jabiru powered Avid (64" two
blade) and checked the balence of the prop by running a 1" rod through the
center hole that was set on two thin pieces of steel. (the thinner the be
tter, less friction) and when I put a piece of paper that was 1/4" X 1" on
the end of the prop, it immediatly dropped on that side. Just shows how e
asy it could be to balence a prop, cause that paper didn't weigh much. Jim
Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn> From: rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> To: kitfox-list@m
atronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:55:23 -0600> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by
: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>> > Steve,> I checked with man
ufacturer about this and they said it was unlikely that I> would make them
out of balance if I did all three blades the same. I did do> a couple of in
ches on the back of the blade too. I think it is a good> safety move.> > Ra
ndy Daughenbaugh, N10NH> Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
> Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors> Series 5/7 (7 Firewall For
ward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip> Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since Novem
ber 2004> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matr
onics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Steve> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:48 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance> > --> Kitfox-List
message posted by: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>> > I am considering pain
ting the outside 2 to 3 inches of my prop to make it> more visible while ru
nning. I have a Warp Drive prop and would probably> paint white tips on it
with just a can of regular white spray paint. Any> chance of changing the b
alance of the prop? Good idea or bad?> > --------> Steve Wilson> Huntsville
, UT> Kitfox I-IV 85DD> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive > Convertable Nosewheel &
amp; Tailwheel> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matro
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| Subject: | Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
Jim,
I personally do not recommend painting the back of the prop. In doing so, the
prop now becomes visible to the pilot and creates a white or yellow ring in the
visual field. In general terms, the back of the prop should be black. The
color needs to be on the front. I had the opportunity to fly behind a new composite
prop that was all white. After about 2 hours of looking through this white
ring I suggested to the new owner that he paint the back of the prop black.
Now the prop is virtually invisible to the pilot...and no more headaches and
tired eyes.
When you paint your three blade Warp, just try to apply the same amount of paint
to each tip. Don't forget to remove your tape before the paint dries! Let
us know how it turns out!
Travis
Jim Shumaker wrote:
> I paint the outer tip of the prop on the back for visibility. The front I paint
as needed for repairs. I use yellow because it is visible and matches my
plane. Balance with a lawnmower blade balancer, available at Sears.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
> ---
:D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
No way, leave the BRS on when doing the weight and balance, it is part of the aircraft.
Chances are you have too much tail weight. Besides you need to know
what your current problem is. Sorry to say this, but the BRS is a must if you
have a 2 stroke. I'm going to catch heck now.
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| Subject: | Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance |
At 03:48 PM 6/13/2008, you wrote:
>I am considering painting the outside 2 to 3 inches of my prop to
>make it more visible while running. I have a Warp Drive prop and
>would probably paint white tips on it with just a can of regular
>white spray paint. Any chance of changing the balance of the
>prop? Good idea or bad?
I painted the forward faces of my prop white, with red tips
with black pin striping. I was careful to paint the same, but
dynamically balanced after anyway. The balance turned out to be very
close so I don't think you'll have a problem. It's a good idea for
safety, but as was mentioned elsewhere, don't paint the back of the
blades, it makes them visible from the cockpit.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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