Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Sat 06/28/08


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 05:48 AM - Re: 912S Oil and Coolant (RAY Gignac)
     2. 05:59 AM - Re: 912S Oil and Coolant (Catz631@aol.com)
     3. 07:18 AM - VW FWF for sale (Gary Olson)
     4. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (steve eccles)
     5. 10:56 AM - Alternative Pitot arrangement (Dave)
     6. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (william Mills)
     7. 12:18 PM - Re: Safety Wire (Noel Loveys)
     8. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (Noel Loveys)
     9. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (Noel Loveys)
    10. 01:42 PM - Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement (Lynn Matteson)
    11. 04:06 PM - Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement (Dave)
    12. 05:04 PM - Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement (Lowell Fitt)
    13. 07:02 PM - Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement (Lynn Matteson)
    14. 08:08 PM - Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
    15. 08:18 PM - Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement (Noel Loveys)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:48:40 AM PST US
    From: RAY Gignac <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
    Subject: 912S Oil and Coolant
    You can go to your local motorcycle store like Honda or yamaha and buy semi synthetic it has the require gear add to it. Coolant get Dexcool but use the stuff you have to mix 50/50 it will be orange.> Subject: Kitfox-List: 9 12S Oil and Coolant> From: reinagreaves@comcast.net> Date: Fri=2C 27 Jun 20 08 22:33:13 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net>> > About ready to fire up my 912S.> Even though Rotax publishes a list of recommended oils=2C wha t are people using that are the most readily available without having to ha ve them shipped? Looking for one of the ones on the list that can be bought at the auto parts store level (Napa=2C etc...)> Also=2C the same question goes for coolant.> Thanks!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http:// -======================== ===> > > _________________________________________________________________ Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008


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    Time: 05:59:48 AM PST US
    From: Catz631@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 912S Oil and Coolant
    I know that there will be a bunch of different replies on this. My suggestion is to "bite the bullet" and use a Rotax recommended oil. In my case I am now using the new Aeroshell Plus 4 which was designed for the Rotax 912/914 (the primary oil used at Lockwood for thier flight school) You have too much money tied up in your engine to use a lesser than recommended oil. As they said in the Rotax school, this engine (like all others) lives on oil. This stuff is 'sporty' in price. It cost about $68 (12 bottles) plus $14.42 for shipping (took about 5 days to get it) but to me, it is worth it. No way I will use other than Rotax oil filters either after seeing the damage other filters can possibly do to the engine (again during Rotax school) The coolant is not so difficult as you can get Dex-cool in any auto store. It runs nice and cool in my application. Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 Rotax 912UL Pensacola,Fl **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)


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    Time: 07:18:50 AM PST US
    From: Gary Olson <n113gb@yahoo.com>
    Subject: VW FWF for sale
    Gents, I have a brand new/never run Great Plains 2276 VW with a valley 1:6/1 redrive for sale. It was my intention to use it on my Series 7 tri-gear, but I have since decided to use the full gross weight capability of the 7 and change my plans for light sport. Therefore I am offering up my FWF package for sale. You can check out the specifics at barnstormers.com it is listed under VW conversions. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Thanks. Gary Olson Series 7 tri-gear Oshkosh, WI


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    Time: 09:36:29 AM PST US
    From: "steve eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: Safety Wire
    Louie I agree completely a loose safety wire can wear through a attach point a lot faster than you think, especially if it a softer metal. A good safety wire pliers will run around a 100.00 but I have seen guys who can safety just as fast by hand and look better than if you had used a pliers. just my .02 Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vetdrem Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Pretty is nice, but if it isn't done correctly, you might as well not do it. Here is a link that does a pretty good job of showing the correct way to safety wire things. http://www.whizwheels.com/Tips/safetywiring.html It REALLY is important to do it right. Louie model 3 912ul soon to be on aerocet 1100 amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190180#190180


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    Time: 10:56:23 AM PST US
    From: "Dave" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    My Model IV 1050 was originally a Denney/Skystar model using plans from ~ 1991. It shows the Pitot as an aluminum Z-bend glued to the 7th rib. That tube was broken and I bent up a replacement from stainless tube which is a little more forgiving of repeat bends. Before I finish placing this I have some time and room to change things if there is an advantage. Is there any removable or more desirable arrangement for the pitot than the original design? Dave G. Mod IV 1050 do not archive


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    Time: 11:57:23 AM PST US
    From: "william Mills" <wtrooper@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Safety Wire
    One thing not mentioned at WhizWheels is the 6-8 twists per inch as called for in the AC 43.13-2A. Your DAR or FAA inspector could gig you on this. WhizWheels merely says: "Twists should be tight and even, and the wire between nuts as taut as possible *without over-twisting*." Bill Chinook/912ul in progress lurking still On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote: > matronics@bob.brennan.name> > > Thanks Louie - that link is excellent and I couldn't agree more about doing > the job as best as possible. > > Bob Brennan > 1991 Model 2 Kitfox > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville Pa > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vetdrem > Sent: 27 June 2008 9:18 pm > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire > > > Pretty is nice, but if it isn't done correctly, you might as well not do > it. > > Here is a link that does a pretty good job of showing the correct way to > safety wire things. > http://www.whizwheels.com/Tips/safetywiring.html > > It REALLY is important to do it right. > > Louie > model 3 912ul > soon to be on aerocet 1100 amphibs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190180#190180 > >


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    Time: 12:18:25 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Safety Wire
    Safety wire is usually a monofilament stainless steel wire that comes in various thicknwsses form somewhere in the .018in to .065 in and no doubt heavier than that. For most applications I use .032 and .045 where called for. If your lock wiring looks neat then it is probably properly done. Any lockwiring beats no lockwiring at all. When I learned lock wiring we were only allowed to use duckbill pliers and they had to be covered with tape to prevent nicking the lockwire. I've seen expert installation of wire done with everything from the duckbills to side cuts and of course there are the lockwire pliers that have the pull knob on the back to twist the wire. If you are doing lost of wiring then I'd suggest getting several pairs in different sizes and make sure they are all reversing. For yourself where you will probably only be wiring one machine, duckbills will probably suffice. If you can scrape up a copy of AC43.13, available online from the FAA, in pdf format, there is a nice section on lockwiring. They sho9w how to do different types of wiring including filters, props and turnbuckles. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi all, I am doing some repairs that require undoing some "safety wire". Where does one get replacement "safety wire" and if it's at the local hardware store what are the specs? I also notice that the existing wire is *very* neatly twisted and tucked away, is there a special tool for this or was the builder just really good with pliers? Thanks in advance, Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa


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    Time: 12:35:57 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Safety Wire
    If you are just getting into safetying or lockwiring get someone who is trained to show you the ropes (pun not intended). There are a few tricks to keeping everything tight without breaking the wires and most important is finishing the tie and bending the cut wires back on themselves to prevent nasty gashes. As has been mentioned in this thread the wire only needs to tight enough to hold things together but tighter looks better and neatness counts. J The guy who describes the hand twisting is completely right it is the best way but takes the longest time to do. When learning to hand twist expect to pay for the experience with a little blood. Ouch! Brings back memories. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire <matronics@bob.brennan.name> I am more than a novice, at least when it comes to doing repairs on an aircraft, this being my first encounter with safety wires. I am no novice to safety though, and when I see neatly twisted and tucked SAFETY wires I do my best to make sure my replacement is at least as good. And SAFE! -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Frederick Sent: 27 June 2008 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Hi Bob, Jeff is absolutely correct. You can do a very nice job of twisting safety wire without the special pliers (probably using some tool to clamp the wire ends; like vice grips). I should have prefaced my post by saying that I am a novice and mostly do work on my Mooney and now building my Kitfox. I happen to find the cost of the pliers well worth it, i think i paid about $20 for mine and it came with 2 spools of wire. Regards, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire > > Safety wire pliers are not needed at all, I did Zillions without any in > the > Navy once you get the technique you will find that you can hand twist > very easily. Less chance of breaking the wire as well. It's great for > building callouses as well. The cost of the pliers just to maintain a > single small plane isn't worth it. > > The wire does not need to be guitar string tight, it just needs to be snug > enough to prevent the fastener from coming undone. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190135#190135 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:38:41 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Safety Wire
    When doing item 3 if you reverse the twist on the wire between the second bolt and the third bolt form what is done between the first and second bolts the wire will lay a lot flatter... Check out AC43. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vetdrem Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Pretty is nice, but if it isn't done correctly, you might as well not do it. Here is a link that does a pretty good job of showing the correct way to safety wire things. http://www.whizwheels.com/Tips/safetywiring.html It REALLY is important to do it right. Louie model 3 912ul soon to be on aerocet 1100 amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190180#190180


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    Time: 01:42:59 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    I didn't like the bent-tube device that came with my kit, so I bought the L-bend, flange-mounted model from Aircraft Spruce, part #15135. I glued a small block of wood to the side of the rib, notched to allow the rib-cap to sit flush with it. This allowed for the flange to be attached, with screws, onto the rib-cap after the covering is complete. I added an inspection hole cover nearby to allow for attaching the tubing together inside the wing after covering is complete. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/541 hrs On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Dave wrote: > My Model IV 1050 was originally a Denney/Skystar model using plans > from ~ 1991. It shows the Pitot as an aluminum Z-bend glued to the > 7th rib. That tube was broken and I bent up a replacement from > stainless tube which is a little more forgiving of repeat bends. > Before I finish placing this I have some time and room to change > things if there is an advantage. Is there any removable or more > desirable arrangement for the pitot than the original design? > > Dave G. > Mod IV 1050 > do not archive > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 04:06:14 PM PST US
    From: "Dave" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    That was one of the alternatives I thought of, and easy to do right now. I also thought I might go to a straight tube probe extended through the leading edge out near the wing tip like a friends Colt has. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement > > I didn't like the bent-tube device that came with my kit, so I bought the > L-bend, flange-mounted model from Aircraft Spruce, part #15135. I glued a > small block of wood to the side of the rib, notched to allow the rib-cap > to sit flush with it. This allowed for the flange to be attached, with > screws, onto the rib-cap after the covering is complete. I added an > inspection hole cover nearby to allow for attaching the tubing together > inside the wing after covering is complete. > > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/541 hrs > >


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    Time: 05:04:20 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    My only thought on this is the old mud dauber trick of filling any hole they find with mud. I did have the tube filled once. It was real handy to just untighten the nut and remove the lower "L" and clean it out. I can't imagine how it could be done if the "Z" bend unit was glued in place with the black tubing attached with the zip ties as in the manual. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement > > That was one of the alternatives I thought of, and easy to do right now. I > also thought I might go to a straight tube probe extended through the > leading edge out near the wing tip like a friends Colt has. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement > > >> >> I didn't like the bent-tube device that came with my kit, so I bought >> the L-bend, flange-mounted model from Aircraft Spruce, part #15135. I >> glued a small block of wood to the side of the rib, notched to allow the >> rib-cap to sit flush with it. This allowed for the flange to be >> attached, with screws, onto the rib-cap after the covering is complete. >> I added an inspection hole cover nearby to allow for attaching the >> tubing together inside the wing after covering is complete. >> >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster >> Jabiru 2200 >> Status: flying w/541 hrs >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 07:02:47 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    As far as the mud daubers go, I bought some of those red "Remove before flight" streamers, that have little slip "socks" that fit over my pitot and gas cap tubes. Good reminders, and they look cool....and I'm a sucker for cool. "Remove before flight" is a good reminder, but I need the back side to read "...and install after" Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/541 hrs On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> > > My only thought on this is the old mud dauber trick of filling any > hole they find with mud. I did have the tube filled once. It was > real handy to just untighten the nut and remove the lower "L" and > clean it out. I can't imagine how it could be done if the "Z" bend > unit was glued in place with the black tubing attached with the zip > ties as in the manual. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement > > >> >> That was one of the alternatives I thought of, and easy to do >> right now. I also thought I might go to a straight tube probe >> extended through the leading edge out near the wing tip like a >> friends Colt has. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:40 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement >> >> >>> >>> I didn't like the bent-tube device that came with my kit, so I >>> bought the L-bend, flange-mounted model from Aircraft Spruce, >>> part #15135. I glued a small block of wood to the side of the >>> rib, notched to allow the rib-cap to sit flush with it. This >>> allowed for the flange to be attached, with screws, onto the rib- >>> cap after the covering is complete. I added an inspection hole >>> cover nearby to allow for attaching the tubing together inside >>> the wing after covering is complete. >>> >>> >>> Lynn Matteson >>> Kitfox IV Speedster >>> Jabiru 2200 >>> Status: flying w/541 hrs >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:08:57 PM PST US
    From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    When I saw this thread, I thought good, cause I'm about to install the pito t tube also on the Kitfox 4 and was giving it some thought also. I had tho ught about a double tube setup, one pitot, and one static port as some othe r planes have. Is that not another alternative and if not, why not? Thank s, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Ki tfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:58:41 - ynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > As far as the mud daubers go, I bought s ome of those red "Remove > before flight" streamers, that have little slip "socks" that fit over > my pitot and gas cap tubes. Good reminders, and the y look cool....and > I'm a sucker for cool.> "Remove before flight" is a go od reminder, but I need the back side > to read "...and install after"> > L ynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster> Jabiru 2200> Status: flying w/541 hrs> > > > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> >> > My only thought on this is the old mud dauber trick of filling any > > hole they fi nd with mud. I did have the tube filled once. It was > > real handy to just untighten the nut and remove the lower "L" and > > clean it out. I can't i magine how it could be done if the "Z" bend > > unit was glued in place wit h the black tubing attached with the zip > > ties as in the manual.> >> > L owell> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <occom@ns.sympatico.c a>> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:02 PM> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement> >> >> >> -- t was one of the alternatives I thought of, and easy to do > >> right now. I also thought I might go to a straight tube probe > >> extended through th e leading edge out near the wing tip like a > >> friends Colt has.> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>> >> T o: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:40 PM> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement> >>> >>> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> >>>> >>> I didn't like the bent-tube device that came with my kit, so I > >>> bought the L-bend, flange-mounted model from Aircraft Spruce, > >>> part #15135. I glued a small block of wood to the side of the > >>> rib, notched to allow the rib-cap to sit flush with it. This > >>> allowed for the flange to be attached, with screws, onto the rib- > >>> cap after the covering is comple te. I added an inspection hole > >>> cover nearby to allow for attaching th e tubing together inside > >>> the wing after covering is complete.> >>>> > >>> >>> Lynn Matteson> >>> Kitfox IV Speedster> >>> Jabiru 2200> >>> Status =======================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=e arncashback


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    Time: 08:18:45 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Alternative Pitot arrangement
    Avionics shops use nitrogen to dry out pitot and static lines. I figure disconnecting the pitot line from the ASI and running a bit of nitrogen through it would work. Sure glad we don't have those mud daubers here. We do have flies we call "stouts" They are part of the Newfoundland air force. :-) and in ground to air combat they've never been beaten. Sometimes black flies or mosquitoes will get impacted in the pitot tubes... They are just an inconvenience though. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement My only thought on this is the old mud dauber trick of filling any hole they find with mud. I did have the tube filled once. It was real handy to just untighten the nut and remove the lower "L" and clean it out. I can't imagine how it could be done if the "Z" bend unit was glued in place with the black tubing attached with the zip ties as in the manual. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement > > That was one of the alternatives I thought of, and easy to do right now. I > also thought I might go to a straight tube probe extended through the > leading edge out near the wing tip like a friends Colt has. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternative Pitot arrangement > > >> >> I didn't like the bent-tube device that came with my kit, so I bought >> the L-bend, flange-mounted model from Aircraft Spruce, part #15135. I >> glued a small block of wood to the side of the rib, notched to allow the >> rib-cap to sit flush with it. This allowed for the flange to be >> attached, with screws, onto the rib-cap after the covering is complete. >> I added an inspection hole cover nearby to allow for attaching the >> tubing together inside the wing after covering is complete. >> >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster >> Jabiru 2200 >> Status: flying w/541 hrs >> >> >> > > > > >




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