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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Ryan Wheeler)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install (rawheels)
3. 07:06 AM - firewall dimentions needed (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: firewall dimentions needed (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
5. 08:13 AM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (Guy Buchanan)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Don McIntosh)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (n85ae)
9. 09:34 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/03/08 (jlno7@aim.com)
10. 10:24 AM - Hard Baggage System (Kyle)
11. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (patrick reilly)
12. 10:56 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (n85ae)
13. 11:53 AM - GSC prop pitch angle (Kyle)
14. 11:53 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (JetPilot)
15. 12:41 PM - Re: GSC prop pitch angle (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
16. 12:55 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 01:15 PM - Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Kyle)
18. 01:43 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (n85ae)
19. 01:56 PM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Marco Menezes)
20. 01:57 PM - Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Roger Standley)
21. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys)
22. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan)
23. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys)
24. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Noel Loveys)
25. 07:52 PM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (dave)
26. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line |
install - Rotax 2 cycle
Thanks, I'll have to go back to the airport tonight and check if one of my
carbs has the tapped hole for the fitting.=0A-=0AIs it the normal Kitfox
set-up to have the regular vent tubes installed?- Any known issues with t
he vent tube being right above the exhaust?
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| Subject: | Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line |
install
Thanks, I'll have to go back to the airport tonight and check if one of my carbs
has the tapped hole for the fitting.
Is it the normal Kitfox set-up to have the regular vent tubes installed? Any known
issues with the vent tube being right above the exhaust?
msm_9949(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> You could just replace the original vents with expensive Rotax parts or make
your own from some of that skinny tubing that's currently hanging there. The HACman
system is a great mod, in my opinion. It's cheap, easy to install and allows
you to control mixture in-flight, adjust EGT's to more optimal levels at
any power setting. Might require some machining on one of your carbs.
>
> Check it out at www.greenskyadventures.com (http://www.greenskyadventures.com)
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>
>
>
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| Subject: | firewall dimentions needed |
Hi all=2C hope you don't get tired of me with my questions and requests fo
r info. On my Kitfox 4 Classic=2C it was not purchased with the firewall f
orward kit and so now I'm about to build the firewall myself. My question
is this: could someone measure and give me the distance down from the top o
r center motor mount bolts to the step in the fire wall that gives more roo
m for the rudder pedals=2C and the angle and distance it steps out? I don'
t have the mount yet and the step comes close to some of the tubes on the m
ount and ofcourse has to clear them. I will probably buy the engine mount
from Kitfox but I don't have it yet. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox
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| Subject: | firewall dimentions needed |
I suppose I should have said I was going to be useing a 912 engine. I real
ized that I hadn't mentioned it just after I hit the send button. Sorry=2C
Jim Chuk
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firewall dimentions neededDate: Wed=2C 9 Jul 2008 14:00:07 +0000
Hi all=2C hope you don't get tired of me with my questions and requests fo
r info. On my Kitfox 4 Classic=2C it was not purchased with the firewall f
orward kit and so now I'm about to build the firewall myself. My question
is this: could someone measure and give me the distance down from the top o
r center motor mount bolts to the step in the fire wall that gives more roo
m for the rudder pedals=2C and the angle and distance it steps out? I don'
t have the mount yet and the step comes close to some of the tubes on the m
ount and ofcourse has to clear them. I will probably buy the engine mount
from Kitfox but I don't have it yet. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel set Up |
At 02:25 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>OK?now see the different angle?? see how much different??
Steve,
The bend looks quite different, but the angle looks very
similar. (That is, the angle the tailwheel assemble sits at.)
Certainly it doesn't look so different as to cause problems. It does,
though, look as though the tailwheel's moved forward a couple of
inches, dramatically increasing the angle of the control cables
between the rudder and the tailwheel. It may be that you're not
getting the leverage you used to and need stiffer tailwheel springs.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
Bob,
Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore - the individual
dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all they get
is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am told Spencer
does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a rumor I am spreading!)
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Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
Thanks Don. I'm still waiting for the color chart from ACS and I hope there
is a good match on there for my airplane. If the paint they send me doesn't
match the color chart - it goes back!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh
Sent: 09 July 2008 11:35 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Bob,
Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore -
the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all
they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am
told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a
rumor I am spreading!)
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Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
The Kitfox with the flaperons can handle some very windy conditions,
more so than the typical light plane. The downside of course is that
pilot confidence from then can get you into deep trouble. I flew mine
in a lot of wind, and got too confident. Here's what happened.
I flew home from Michigan with a Low pressure coming in from the
North West with a lot of gusty northerly wind developing. My airport
has an East/West runway. I opted to give landing a shot with a gusty
direct crosswind somewhere in the 25kt. range. The approach was a bit
hairy but seemed ok. My alternative if this failed was to fly to a nearby
airport with a north/south oriented runway. Everything looked fine
until touchdown and a gust lifted the upwind wing. I got it down, but
almost immediately lost control with the rudder and did a fast tire smoking 270
degree turn off into the grass. Right in front of the
airport restaraunt at lunch time.
No damage done, other than to my pride. But scared the crap out of me.
Moral of the story, if it's gusty and crosswindy fly 5 miles to the other
airport.
Jeff.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/03/08 |
I need to get a rudder bushing for my Kitfox One.? Can I get the plastic bushing
at a hardware store?? I think it is neoprem and 3/8" ID or do I need to get
it from a aircraft catalog and pay shipping.
Jerry Novak
N299JK
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (dave)
2. 04:36 AM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (dave)
3. 04:48 AM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (dave)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (Catz631@aol.com)
6. 07:16 AM - Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan)
7. 07:49 AM - Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation (Joe & Jan Connell)
8. 08:26 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Lynn Matteson)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Kevin Ridsdale)
10. 10:10 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Bob Brennan)
11. 10:20 AM - Tire Balance (Mike Chaney)
12. 10:35 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (kerrimikehickman@aol.com)
13. 11:04 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan)
14. 11:10 AM - Re: Tire Balance (Bob Brennan)
15. 11:14 AM - Re: Tire Balance (Lowell Fitt)
16. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
17. 11:17 AM - Re: Tire Balance (kitfoxmike)
18. 11:20 AM - Re: Tire Balance (kitfoxmike)
19. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Kevin Ridsdale)
20. 04:12 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys)
21. 05:44 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan)
22. 07:24 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Coolant (JetPilot)
23. 08:08 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:31:43 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Radiator scoop
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Rad scoop pic look great guys.
Now the questions -- what did you gain or lose in speed and coolant temps ?
Did you seal the rad to the scoop? Makes a differance you know in cooling.
read my previous posts on cowl mods......... just look at that design how the
hot air from the engine dumps directly into the rad..........
http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html
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Time: 04:36:52 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Performance stats for a Model II
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
One more thing that most do not consider is that Skystar chopped the Rotax
exhaust
up and the 582s are likely to see 55 to 58 HP only not the 65 HP that the
582 is advertised as having.
IF you followed my older posts from last fall I did alot of experimenting with
the 582 exhaust. I gained HP !! with stock exhaust by lengthening the header
pipe and the 90 degree elbow. Only problem is that it is tight in there already
to keep that pipe enclosed.
I have also built some tuned pipes and they work even better. I have only
flown
on wheels and skis with these pipes and not on floats yet. Hopefully floats
go on soon . MY 582 have over 480 hours now and never been apart since new
in June 2006. That being said it could blow apart on next flight as could
any engine or prop.
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Time: 04:48:56 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left over. I bought and sold alot
of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they
are not for sale.
I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most
tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker
tool then pay someone r
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Time: 05:16:58 AM PST US
From: Catz631@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock
Lynn,
My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly it every
day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped to my cabin in the
N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow my Kitfox up here. We have
lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys living in the Rockies) and very few
airports. When I do come up here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I
will fly it when I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up
here. Like most of the US,hangers are at a premium!
Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the oil cool
then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non use. That should
slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot
By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about the
siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no solution other then
to
always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It too said the high oil tank
position was the problem. Wish we had a magazine like that still available with
"tips" & "techniques" but then I guess that's what this email form is for.
Thanks for the replies !
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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Time: 05:27:44 AM PST US
From: Catz631@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator scoop
Yodaone,
Thanks for the pictures. You have done a "super deluxe" job on that
scoop.It looks great ! I will pattern my installation after yours.My only
question
is(and you guessed it) where did you get the scoop to floor fasteners.That is
a nice clean installation.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 07:16:11 AM PST US
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the
FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK
registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple
enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides
of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are
painted on, not decals.
The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole
thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a
clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as
long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft".
So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint
over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the
level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty
Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-.
So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo
decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 07:49:12 AM PST US
From: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell@fmwildblue.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation
Guys,
I have an early Kitfox-II with a Rotax 582 with 275 hours. This morning
on post flight inspection, I found one of the radiator attachment
brackets had had separated from the radiator. Have any of you
experienced this kind of failure? I think I'll have to remove the
radiator and have the bracket either soldered or brazed back on to the
radiator. This heating process could introduce leaks elsewhere.
Another idea would be to install a clamp with rubber pads to hold the
radiator.
I'm open to your advice or suggestions...
Joe Connell
N62JK #399
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 08:26:46 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock
I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting
the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about
having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up
again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief.
When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to
fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only
time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained
the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a
bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky.
I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about
keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist.
And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the
flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the
plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the
last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to
trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are
celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn
enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : )
And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that
big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not
have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/541 hrs
do not archive
On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn,
> My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly
> it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped
> to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow
> my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys
> living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up
> here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when
> I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like
> most of the US,hangers are at a premium!
> Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the
> oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non
> use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot
> By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about
> the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no
> solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It
> too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a
> magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but
> then I guess that's what this email form is for.
> Thanks for the replies !
> Dick Maddux
> Fox4-1200
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
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> used cars.
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 09:27:07 AM PST US
From: Kevin Ridsdale <ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes, however the only payment we are
accepting
at this time is Pay Pal. Please send your request to
ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com
Kevin 734-377-2670
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of
his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are
not for sale.
I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most
tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker
tool then pay someone r
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 10:10:24 AM PST US
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock
May I ask what kind of trailer you use Lynn? I have towed my Kitfox a few
miles using the towbar attachment but am reluctant to put too many miles on
the plane's tiny bearings. I plan to trailer it now on a 21ft car trailer,
with ramps and an electric winch to get it up to the platform. But I had the
trailer for other reasons, so I am wondering how other Kitfoxers "trailer"
their planes around.(?)
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 03 July 2008 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock
I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting
the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about
having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up
again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief.
When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to
fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only
time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained
the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a
bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky.
I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about
keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist.
And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the
flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the
plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the
last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to
trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are
celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn
enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : )
And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that
big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not
have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/541 hrs
do not archive
On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn,
> My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly
> it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped
> to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow
> my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys
> living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up
> here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when
> I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like
> most of the US,hangers are at a premium!
> Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the
> oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non
> use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot
> By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about
> the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no
> solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It
> too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a
> magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but
> then I guess that's what this email form is for.
> Thanks for the replies !
> Dick Maddux
> Fox4-1200
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
> used cars.
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 10:20:12 AM PST US
From: Mike Chaney <poasttown@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance
-
I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox.- I have never h
ad the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need.- However
, I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibra
tion either in the gear or the tires.- I suppose this could be due to poo
r take off technique and-I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no
sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing.- The vibration e
nds after about twenty seconds or so.- I began noticing this right after
I installed the new tires.
-
Any comments would be appreciated.- If in fact the tires need balancing i
s there any way I can balance the tires myself or would-I need to take th
em off and take them to a tire dealer.
-
Mike=0A=0A=0A
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 10:35:56 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
From: kerrimikehickman@aol.com
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Black is beautiful...the flags are attitude. Mike H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:13 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the
FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK
registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple
enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides
of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are
painted on, not decals.
The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole
thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a
clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as
long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft".
So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint
over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the
level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty
Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-.
So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo
decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 11:04:18 AM PST US
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
How much do you charge to do that for real Mike? ;-)
bob
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrimikehickman@aol.com
Sent: 03 July 2008 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
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Black is beautiful...the flags are attitude. Mike H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:13 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the
FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK
registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple
enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides
of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are
painted on, not decals.
The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole
thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a
clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as
long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft".
So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint
over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the
level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty
Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-.
So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo
decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 11:10:08 AM PST US
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance
"The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so."
Can we assume that the tires (both?) are rotating for 20 seconds and then
stop? If so does the vibration rate slow as the tires slow?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
Sent: 03 July 2008 1:17 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance
I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox. I have never had
the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need. However, I am
noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibration
either in the gear or the tires. I suppose this could be due to poor take
off technique and I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic
comments please) or the tires need balancing. The vibration ends after
about twenty seconds or so. I began noticing this right after I installed
the new tires.
Any comments would be appreciated. If in fact the tires need balancing is
there any way I can balance the tires myself or would I need to take them
off and take them to a tire dealer.
Mike
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 11:14:25 AM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance
Mike,
I would get that effect also. Try tapping the brakes to stop wheel rotation
after lift off to see if if affects it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chaney" <poasttown@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance
I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox. I have never had
the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need. However, I am
noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibration
either in the gear or the tires. I suppose this could be due to poor take
off technique and I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic
comments please) or the tires need balancing. The vibration ends after about
twenty seconds or so. I began noticing this right after I installed the new
tires.
Any comments would be appreciated. If in fact the tires need balancing is
there any way I can balance the tires myself or would I need to take them
off and take them to a tire dealer.
Mike
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 11:17:04 AM PST US
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
Hi Kevin=2C I thried the link=2C but it didn't work. What do you want for
two tubes pluss shipping to Mn 55719? You can email me back at thesupe@
hotmail.com thanks=2C Jim Chuk
do not archive
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & TubesTo: kitfox-list@matro
nics.com
Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes=2C however the only payment we are
accepting at this time is Pay Pal. Please send your request to
ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com
Kevin 734-377-2670dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
ome tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have
a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not u
se tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires
shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker t
ool then pay someone r--------Rotax Dealer=2C Ontario CanadaFlying Videos a
nd Kitfox
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________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 11:17:49 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire Balance
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
what makes you think the tires are any different than an automobile. I just
installed
new tires yesterday and had them balanced, They both took over 2 ounces
on each tire. Nice and smooth after take off. Oh and before I started
balancing
my tires, it had a very bad shake on take off. My advice, get them balanced.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191116#191116
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 11:20:36 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire Balance
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I would get that effect also. Try tapping the brakes to stop wheel rotation
> after lift off to see if if affects it.
>
> Lowell
>
> ---
I have my wheels turn forever after take off, with them balanced it is smooth as
can be. I can remember my tires before balancing and I always had to hit the
brakes, what a pain. Now I just take off and forget about it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191117#191117
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 02:45:02 PM PST US
From: Kevin Ridsdale <ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
Correction to the email address
ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com
Tubes for tires shipped within the Continental USA is
$54.00
--- Kevin Ridsdale <ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
wrote:
> Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes, however
> the only payment we are accepting at this time is
> Pay Pal. Please send your request to
> ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com
>
> Kevin 734-377-2670
>
> dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
> Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left
> over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and
> only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but
> they are not for sale.
>
> I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good
> bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do
> not know what you are doing or don't have a bead
> breaker tool then pay someone r
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet
> chatter from the truth
>
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 04:12:14 PM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
I don't know if you guys have trim line auto decals in your neck of the
woods. Make your own grapohic and e-mail it as an attachment to your
nearest auto detailer and by the time you get to their office you should
have your decals. A single coat of yellow dope, the same kind as the base
colour will help hide the letters.
I'm thinking you could have decals made up of the Stars and Stripes to cover
the G-B That leaves you with SMO (Small Mighty & Ornery!)
I'm going to include a couple of pictures of decals I had made up for my
baby. I think the total cost was less thatn $10 CDN and that was when out
buck was worth a lot less than it is today.
This is what the decal I e-mailed to the graphics company looked like
(reduced in size a bit for the dial up guys)
beothuckTEXTURE2sm.JPG
This is what it looks like on the vertical stab.
P003728sm.jpg
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the
FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK
registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple
enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides
of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are
painted on, not decals.
The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole
thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a
clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as
long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft".
So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint
over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the
level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty
Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-.
So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo
decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 05:44:40 PM PST US
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a
few at
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php
I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look
interesting.
Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black
should be easy to match!)?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 03 July 2008 7:09 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
I don't know if you guys have trim line auto decals in your neck of the
woods. Make your own grapohic and e-mail it as an attachment to your
nearest auto detailer and by the time you get to their office you should
have your decals. A single coat of yellow dope, the same kind as the base
colour will help hide the letters.
I'm thinking you could have decals made up of the Stars and Stripes to cover
the G-B That leaves you with SMO (Small Mighty & Ornery!)
I'm going to include a couple of pictures of decals I had made up for my
baby. I think the total cost was less thatn $10 CDN and that was when out
buck was worth a lot less than it is today.
This is what the decal I e-mailed to the graphics company looked like
(reduced in size a bit for the dial up guys)
beothuckTEXTURE2sm.JPG
This is what it looks like on the vertical stab.
P003728sm.jpg
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the
FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK
registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple
enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides
of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are
painted on, not decals.
The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole
thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a
clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as
long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft".
So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint
over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the
level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty
Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-.
So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo
decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 07:24:50 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912S Oil and Coolant
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Dick Maddux wrote:
>
>
> In my case I am now using the new Aeroshell Plus 4 which was designed for the
Rotax 912/914 (the primary oil used at Lockwood for thier flight school)
>
> No way I will use other than Rotax oil filters either after seeing the damage
other filters can possibly do to the engine (again during Rotax school)
>
I use full synthetic Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil, it is more expensive than the Rotax
Oil, and is on Rotax recommended list of oils. A good quality full synthetic
oil is far Superior and makes the engine last longer than the semisynthetic
Rotax oil. The only exception to this rule is if you use 100LL gasoline in
your
Rotax. The full synthetic will not hold the lead in suspension like dinosaur
oil will. 100LL is not great for the 912's, you should not use it unless
there is no other alternative.
After getting some good advice from another memeber here, and a lot of research
on my own to confirm it, I use a Non Rotax oil filter. Using the wrong oil
filter
will likely damage any engine. If I put the wrong number oil filter on
my Honda Civic , it will damage it, but that does not mean I can only use Honda
oil filters on my Honda, it just means I better use the right number filter
no matter which brand it is. The same is ture for my Rotax, I have to use the
correct number and a quality oil filter, but that NOT mean that all non Rotax
filters are wrong for the 912's. I dont care about price, but after research
of different racing sites, and people that know oil filters, I found the Rotax
oil filter is of less than average quality, there are far better oil filters
that you can use on your Rotax 912. Like anything in life, if you screw it
up, you can cause damage... If done correctly, you can protect your engine
far better than the Rotax oil filter does. If you would like to educate
yourself
on oil filters, read this thread, and the links I posted in the 11th response
to the post.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.phpt 821&highlight=oil+filter+purolator
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 08:08:04 PM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
You only need to know the brand of the finish on there now... If it is
PolyFibre then you can get the Polyfibre or Aerothane finish. If it is
Randolph then all you need is the butrate dope the same colour. Same thing
for Hi-Pec and most of the other finishes... The first thing to do is to
find out what is there now. The original owner or the guy you bought it
from may be able to help.
The Decals are opaque so they can be applied directly over the existing
finish without using any dope or paint. Heck you won't even need to sand
the finish to apply a decal. Check out the places that make graphics for
cars and or trucks.
I have used the decals to put registration markings on a couple of planes I
worked on. It is just too easy and the marks always go on straight and
square.
Noel
How about just tell the printers you need the white BTW that's close to
the original training colours.
050405-F-1234P-132.jpg
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a
few at
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php
I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look
interesting.
Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black
should be easy to match!)?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Guy,
I remember when you posted the info and pictures of your hard baggage system last
year. I thought I could go back to it when I got ready. WRONG!!! I've looked
and looked and looked and I still can't find that post.
If you could post the information and pictures again I sure would appreciate it
and I'm sure Chris would appreciate it too.
Thanks,
--------
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
Jeff=2C Thanks for sharing. Sorry I missed the show. Glad to hear you and t
he plane weren't hurt. Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing
and if you can use the plane again=2C it's a bonus.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Y
our KitFox ???> From: n85ae@yahoo.com> Date: Wed=2C 9 Jul 2008 09:16:43 -07
5ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>> > The Kitfox with the flaperons can handle some ver
y windy conditions=2C > more so than the typical light plane. The downside
of course is that> pilot confidence from then can get you into deep trouble
. I flew mine> in a lot of wind=2C and got too confident. Here's what happe
ned.> > I flew home from Michigan with a Low pressure coming in from the> N
orth West with a lot of gusty northerly wind developing. My airport> has an
East/West runway. I opted to give landing a shot with a gusty> direct cros
swind somewhere in the 25kt. range. The approach was a bit> hairy but seeme
d ok. My alternative if this failed was to fly to a nearby > airport with a
north/south oriented runway. Everything looked fine> until touchdown and a
gust lifted the upwind wing. I got it down=2C but> almost immediately lost
control with the rudder and did a fast tire smoking 270 degree turn off in
to the grass. Right in front of the> airport restaraunt at lunch time.> > N
o damage done=2C other than to my pride. But scared the crap out of me.> >
Moral of the story=2C if it's gusty and crosswindy fly 5 miles to the other
> airport.> > Jeff.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
I guess the real problem isn't whether the Kitfox can handle wind, it can,
and a lot of it. But the margin for error gets pretty slim the more you
push it, the more likely you are to bite it one day. As I discovered. So
I fly a lot more cautiously now.
Jeff
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| Subject: | GSC prop pitch angle |
I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine. WOT
my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static
w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied
protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have
a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came up with is
#1, 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends
starting at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should all be the same and I
will correct that but isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be
getting 5,100 RPM WOT?
Looking for any possible solutions, hints, recommendations, suggestions and that
includes personal opinions.
Thanks,
--------
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
n85ae wrote:
> The Kitfox with the flaperons can handle some very windy conditions, more so
than the typical light plane.
>
> I got it down, but almost immediately lost control with the rudder and did a
fast tire smoking 270 degree turn off into the grass. Right in front of the
> airport restaraunt at lunch time.
>
> Jeff.
Thats a great story Jeff, and exactly why I will be building the Kitfox with the
Nosewheel. I am done with Tailwheels, I fly one now, and fly it just fine,
but it just limits me to much in crosswinds. With a tailwheel, either I don't
fly in moderate corsswinds, or I risk damaging the plane in a nasty ground
loop if I do, neither of which is a good poissiblity. I will build a tricycle
gear Kitfox :)
Its great to hear that the Kitfox can handle more wind than most pilots, that is
the way it should be. Right now, I find myself being limited by the weather
my plane can handle, there are many days I want to fly and cant, and that really
sucks !!!!
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop pitch angle |
where are you measuring the pitch with each of the protractors. The GSC is guaged
for a specific point in from the tip.
John Kerr
Classic IV912UL, it was great flying along/over the ridges of the Cache Valley
this morning.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Kyle" <kylehdunn@bellsouth.net>
>
> I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine.
WOT
> my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static
> w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied
> protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have
> a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came up with is
#1,
> 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends starting
> at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should all be the same and I will
> correct that but isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be getting
> 5,100 RPM WOT?
> Looking for any possible solutions, hints, recommendations, suggestions and that
> includes personal opinions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> Kyle Dunn
> Eddyville, Kentucky
> Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
> 1978 Cessna 172 N
> American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
> Rotorway Exec.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191996#191996
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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GSC is guaged for a specific point in from the tip.</DIV>
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<DIV>Classic IV912UL, it was great flying along/over the ridges of the Cache Valley
this morning.</DIV>
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<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Kyle" <KYLEHDUNN@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> <BR>> I have a 68" GSC three blade
prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine. WOT <BR>> my tachometer is
reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static <BR>> w/the tail
tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied <BR>>
protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have
<BR>> a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came
up with is #1, <BR>> 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think
GSC recommends starting <BR>> at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should
all be the same and I will <BR>> correct that but isn't around 13 degrees
an awfully shallow pitch to be getting <BR>>
5,100
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| Subject: | How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
In this situation ( and maybe Jeff's) it is appropriate to redefine a
runway. This is what Ed Downs recommends for high wind situations.
This morning, my wife and flew to Hulett Wyoming for breakfast. When we
left, the wind was directly across the runway about 30 - 35 mph. (We had a
lot of fun untying the Fox.) I decided to take off using an intersection
between the taxiway and the runway. Even at 4600' it didn't take much to
get up in the air. The Hulett airport is pretty deserted much of the time,
but I have been told that if you ask controllers for this sort of thing and
explain that you don't need a lot of ground roll, that they will be pretty
accommodating.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ???
Funny you should mention a C150...a friend and I were flying...him in
his C150, and me in my Model IV Kitfox. We were heading south with a
60+ mph tailwind (GPS groundspeed 177mph) when we both got into
turbulence at about 9500' and both landed in 19-35 knot 90
crosswind. He had stuff flying around inside his cockpit, and I was
just plain wanting to get it down on the ground. So maybe that
contest was a tie. : ) And being as how I haven't flown his, nor he
mine, it's a rather poor comparison, but we both made it down safely,
with only minor landing damage...a scuffed wheel on mine. He took
three attempts to land.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you
> comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind,
> just wind in general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable
> to enjoy flying ?
>
> I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as
> I would like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle
> gear. I would like to get some idea of how much weather
> conditions the Kitfox will handle. I owned a Cessna 150 before,
> and was very happy with the way it would handle winds and
> turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as
> small Cessnas ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop pitch angle |
Sorry about that. I should have included that critical measurement. The pitch angle
measurements were all taken on the back of the prop blade at 25.5" from the
prop hub center.
Thanks,
--------
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
Our local runway is surrounded by obstacles, so no way to do the
diagonal landing thing, or other unusual procedures.
The best bet would have been to shoot over to the nearby big airport
with a 6000 foot runway directly pointed into the wind. :) Which
would have been a quick cab ride from to get my car. Poor
decision making on my part.
We have a nearby glider field which is basically a gigantic field with
no specific runway. I have gone over there and practiced crosswinds
which were much beyond sane for pavement. That was part of the
problem because it made me too confident in my ability to handle
really strong crosswinds. I know better now.
It's really not the crosswind that gets you, it's that on days that are
crosswindy you can get some big gusts as well. It's the gust that
made me lose it. I think had it not lifted my wing and got me all
discombobulated (is that a word?) I'd have been ok.
In any case groundlooping without damage I consider to be one of the
usefull learning experiences I have had. The other was losing my engine
and having to glide in to land. Losing a vacuum pump at night was
another. It made a loud mechanical shrieking noise under the cowl.
That is something that will get your heart started as well.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line |
install - Rotax 2 cycle
I think the short carb vent tubes with tiny vent holes over the exhaust is
pretty much a stock 582 installation on the Kitfox. Only trouble I've heard
from this is that some airworthiness inspectors don't like it. No fires re
ported that I know of.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Wed, 7/9/08, Ryan Wheeler <rawheels@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Wheeler <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent l
ine install - Rotax 2 cycle
Thanks, I'll have to go back to the airport tonight and check if one of my
carbs has the tapped hole for the fitting.
-
Is it the normal Kitfox set-up to have the regular vent tubes installed?-
Any known issues with the vent tube being right above the exhaust?
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop pitch angle |
Hi Kyle,
5,000-5,100 static is a good starting place. Conventional wisdom when I
set mine was 5200 static. Try 5100 and see if you like it. Mine is 4900
static so I climb at about 70 mph and probably have a little advantage
at cruise.
Roger
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax / GSC
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle<mailto:kylehdunn@bellsouth.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC prop pitch angle
<kylehdunn@bellsouth.net<mailto:kylehdunn@bellsouth.net>>
I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax
engine. WOT my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the
Carb. stops static w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of
my prop with the supplied protractor and found it to be cumbersome and
hard to be really accurate. I have a Warp Drive protractor and used it.
The prop pitch angles I came up with is #1, 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees
and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends starting at 16.5 degrees for
the 912. I know they should all be the same and I will correct that but
isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be getting 5,100 RPM
WOT?
Looking for any possible solutions, hints, recommendations,
suggestions and that includes personal opinions.
Thanks,
--------
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
I think the plane is question is mostly yellow.... I was just thinking or
the old Partridge Family TV show and their repainted school buss... Remember
the diamond shape nervous mother driving sign on the back?
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Bob,
Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore -
the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all
they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am
told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a
rumor I am spreading!)
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
Anybody have a diamond shape nervous pilot sign I can use? ;-)
Good one Noel...
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 09 July 2008 8:32 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
I think the plane is question is mostly yellow.... I was just thinking or
the old Partridge Family TV show and their repainted school buss... Remember
the diamond shape nervous mother driving sign on the back?
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Bob,
Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore -
the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all
they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am
told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a
rumor I am spreading!)
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
Bob: don't forget the paint on yoru plane is a couple of years old and may
have oxidized or changed slightly since it was applied. If you are into a
bit of a paint job I'd mask the plane off along obvious separation points
like the upper and lower chines. That way any slight differences in tone
won't be obvious.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Thanks Don. I'm still waiting for the color chart from ACS and I hope there
is a good match on there for my airplane. If the paint they send me doesn't
match the color chart - it goes back!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh
Sent: 09 July 2008 11:35 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Bob,
Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore -
the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all
they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am
told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a
rumor I am spreading!)
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop pitch angle |
I levelled my plane and made a jig to level each prop in it's rotation. The
problem I had is as the prop bolts were tightened the angle on the blades
would shift. I found out the prop was only about fifteen years out of time
so I bought an Ivo IFA. Now I'm in the throes of installing a 912 and a two
blade warp came with it. Oh my... more fun!!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle
Sorry about that. I should have included that critical measurement. The
pitch angle measurements were all taken on the back of the prop blade at
25.5" from the prop hub center.
Thanks,
--------
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel set Up |
Have to agree, that angle should be that same with the new spring.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop pitch angle |
A few years ago when I had a GSC prop=2C I made a jig that fit on the prop
blade and held a small lazer on the jig. It would shine a beam of lazer li
ght accross the hangar and make a spot on the wall=2C I would mark the spot
and then use the jig on each blade in turn to get them all exactly the sam
e. You could get the spot to move 1/4" at about 20 feet just by tightening
the bolts different. The jig was made so it fit exactly the same on each
blade and I know the prop ran very smooth. I also used it on a Powerfin pr
op. Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitf
ox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle>
: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>> > I levelled my plane and made a jig
to level each prop in it's rotation. The> problem I had is as the prop bol
ts were tightened the angle on the blades> would shift. I found out the pro
p was only about fifteen years out of time> so I bought an Ivo IFA. Now I'm
in the throes of installing a 912 and a two> blade warp came with it. Oh m
y... more fun!!> > Noel> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-l
ist-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] O
n Behalf Of Kyle> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 09=2C 2008 5:42 PM> To: kitfox-li
st@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle> > --> Kit
fox-List message posted by: "Kyle" <kylehdunn@bellsouth.net>> > Sorry about
that. I should have included that critical measurement. The> pitch angle m
easurements were all taken on the back of the prop blade at> 25.5" from the
prop hub center.> > Thanks=2C> > --------> Kyle Dunn> Eddyville=2C Kentuck
y> Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax > 1978 Cessna 172 N> American Aero Phoenix II w
/582 Rotax> Rotorway Exec.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://
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