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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Flying in the rain (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: door handle questions (Tom Jones)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: series 5 EA81 POH (fox5flyer)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Tom Jones)
6. 07:57 AM - Re: door handle questions (Lowell Fitt)
7. 08:35 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Larry Huntley)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Marco Menezes)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Marco Menezes)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (fox5flyer)
11. 09:15 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
12. 09:17 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
15. 09:31 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Bob Brennan)
16. 09:33 AM - Re: (michael paton)
17. 09:34 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Bob Brennan)
18. 10:54 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Pete Christensen)
19. 10:56 AM - Emailing: Fox door (1), Fox door (2), Fox door (3), Fox door (5), Fox door(6), Fox door (7) (Larry Huntley)
20. 11:13 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (fox5flyer)
21. 12:01 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Pete Christensen)
22. 01:34 PM - Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (dcsfoto)
23. 01:42 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Larry Huntley)
24. 01:50 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Cudnohufsky's)
25. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Bob Brennan)
26. 05:27 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Bob Brennan)
27. 08:42 PM - Re: door handle questions (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in the rain |
I once owned a Cougar (Tailwind replica) that had a Hegy wooden prop with no
leading edge protection. I was flying home to Florida from Texas on the maiden
flight after the purchase. On a planned stop I had to fly thru rain in order
to land at the airport. I noticed it was taking an awful lot of power in the
pattern to hold altitude (in fact almost full power). When I parked the
aircraft I looked at the prop and found that there was no leading edge at all!
It was
a flat board about 3/8 inch wide
The next morning, after thinking about the problem at night, I purchased
some 5 minute epoxy, sandpaper and razor blade at the local hardware store. I
applied the epoxy to the prop and built a new leading edge, trimming it with the
razor and sanding when dry. I then ran the engine to full power, shut down,
checked the leading edge to see if it was holding and then I flew home.
I called Ray Hegy on the phone to see what I should do to solve the
problem. He told me to apply a strip of electrical tape over the leading edge of
both
blades and that should solve the problem. I did this for the two years that I
owned the aircraft and it worked fine. I would think that helo blade tape
would work even better. (by the way that epoxy repair held up thru the entire
time I owned the aircraft)
I only share this story to show what rain can do to an unprotected wooden
propellor.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: door handle questions |
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C it looked
to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the holes be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the instructions
say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install the plastic
"Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on
to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox fli
es
pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the
airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty
busy
with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs
@elltel.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF
=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the hole
s
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install
the
plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: series 5 EA81 POH |
Ike, I just finished sending you the NSI operating limitations via jpg
attachments and offlist. Let me know if you got them ok.
Deke
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----- Original Message -----
From: lkc@juno.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: series 5 EA81 POH
Does anyone have a POH for an NSI EA81 Series 5 That they could scan
for me? Also, what is the cealing? Layne, Anchorae, Ak.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
> I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot side
stick brake on me yesterday
Ellery, was it the rod end or the clevis bolt that failed? I just checked and
see that the clevis bold will have to be removed to be inspected.
Good Job on landing with no aileron control.
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: door handle questions |
I guess it really hurts to find out after all this time that I was seriously
out of the loop. I used the factory handle and absolutely never had any
issues with it what-so-ever. I wish I had known I did it all wrong. The
only change from Tom's installation was to place the striker plate butting
against the front edge of the seat pan. I am sure it isn't as much fun
checking for proper door closure when accompanied by that rare sweet young
thing, but it worked for me.
The other optional latch available at the time was the double pin door latch
that came with the speedster. That apparently didn't work well as the
bottom of the door would spring open a bit because the double pin thing was
mid door fore and aft.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim_and_Lucy Chuk" <thesupe@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: door handle questions
Well here I am back again, thanks to everyone who takes the time to answer
the questions.
Once again I have parts that are not covered by my manual for my Kitfox 4.
In the manual
I have, it shows an older (I think) style door handle and that does me no
good. I'll attach a
couple of pics of the parts I have, I know if I see a picture of them in
action it will all be clear,
but right now I can't figure how they go togeather. Thanks again for all
the help. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 MN
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
Wow!! Great job Ellery. I would like to think I could do the same in an
extreme situation,but I am not real sure. Thanx for the heads up and
good luck with the repair. Larry Huntley 4-1200,Soob, 500hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the
Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The
kitfox flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to
fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind
but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your
Linkeage before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what
happened to me yesterday
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle
C=EF=BD it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why
else would the holes be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes
the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you
install the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the
striker plate on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for
structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
Mine was free too. That was in 2004. Grand Rapids FSDO couldn't schedule me
for several months so I called Detroit. They scheduled within 3 weeks. Ins
pector drove 4 hours each way, spent less than an hour with me, mostly aski
ng about golf courses in the area. I'm sure his sticks were in the trunk. Y
our tax dollars at wotk. ;-)
-
Off to OSH tomorrow morning.
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sat, 7/26/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Mine cost me nothing. The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to my
place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it
with the paperwork. He was very nice and helpful. No problems. However,
that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then. I
t
appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for
profit than a service.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, an
d
DARs
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>
>> Does anyone else have invoices/memories of the cost of getting their
>> Airworthiness Certificate?
>
>
> May 5, 2000, $332.50. This included 300 miles round trip travel and mote
l
> costs split with another plane he inspected the same day. He spent about
> an hour going through my builders log and paper work and about two hours
> inspecting the kitfox.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195046#195046
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
Whoa, Ellery. Major pucker factor! Can you post a pic of the broken linkage
?
-
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sun, 7/27/08, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had- the aileron Linkeage that connects- to the bottom of the Pi
lot side stick brake on me yesterday- in pretty windy conditions The kitf
ox flies pretty good- without Aileron input though and I was able to fly
it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I w
as pretty busy with the rudder at times
-I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkea
ge- before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to
me yesterday
-
Ellery in Maine
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-
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs@e
lltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF
=BD it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else woul
d the holes be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob.- The two small holes the i
nstructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install
the plastic "Detent rivet".- I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate
on to the fuselage tubing.- Do not drill and rivet for structural reason
s.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will
fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to
land without damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.
Thanks for the report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
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progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the
Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The
kitfox flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to
fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind
but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your
Linkeage before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what
happened to me yesterday
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle
C=EF=BD it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why
else would the holes be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes
the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you
install the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the
striker plate on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for
structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
It was the Threaded part of the rod end that broke in the threads
Ellery
In a message dated 7/27/2008 10:55:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday
Ellery, was it the rod end or the clevis bolt that failed? I just checked
and see that the clevis bold will have to be removed to be inspected.
Good Job on landing with no aileron control.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
where do I get my test pilot patch ? .......LOL
In a message dated 7/27/2008 11:36:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
asq@roadrunner.com writes:
Wow!! Great job Ellery. I would like to think I could do the same in an
extreme situation,but I am not real sure. Thanx for the heads up and good l
uck
with the repair. Larry Huntley 4-1200,Soob, 500hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: _ElleryWeld@aol.com_ (mailto:ElleryWeld@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox fli
es
pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the
airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty
busy
with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF
=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the hole
s
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install
the
plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
I will get a pic of the broken Link the next time I go to the airport and
post it
Ellery
In a message dated 7/27/2008 11:50:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
Whoa, Ellery. Major pucker factor! Can you post a pic of the broken linkage
?
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Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sun, 7/27/08, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox fli
es
pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the
airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty
busy
with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF
=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the hole
s
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install
the
plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
it was on a model 2 Kitfox
Ellery
In a message dated 7/27/2008 11:52:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fox5flyer@idealwifi.net writes:
You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will fly
without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land witho
ut
damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.
Thanks for the report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: _ElleryWeld@aol.com_ (mailto:ElleryWeld@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox fli
es
pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the
airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty
busy
with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF
=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the hole
s
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install
the
plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195176#195176
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| Subject: | Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
I think I'd rather pay with my tax dollars than $600 + per hr + expenses....
:-(
Anyone know/is a DAR willing to come to Wrightsville Pa? Please?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: 27 July 2008 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
Mine was free too. That was in 2004. Grand Rapids FSDO couldn't schedule me
for several months so I called Detroit. They scheduled within 3 weeks.
Inspector drove 4 hours each way, spent less than an hour with me, mostly
asking about golf courses in the area. I'm sure his sticks were in the
trunk. Your tax dollars at wotk. ;-)
Off to OSH tomorrow morning.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sat, 7/26/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Mine cost me nothing. The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to my
place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it
with the paperwork. He was very nice and helpful. No problems. However,
that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then. It
appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for
profit than a service.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and
DARs
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>
>> Does anyone else have invoices/memories of the cost of getting their
>> Airworthiness Certificate?
>
>
> May 5, 2000, $332.50. This included 300 miles round trip travel and motel
> costs split with another plane he inspected the same day. He spent about
> an hour going through my builders log and paper work and about two hours
> inspecting the kitfox.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195046#195046
>
>
>
>
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I thin you sent this to the wrong Michael , I live in Zambia and we never fly in
rain, just around it !!!
--- On Fri, 7/25/08, John Allen <kitfoxfugit@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: John Allen <kitfoxfugit@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Michel Verheughe asked:
say that the WX is for rain showers. Do you take a chance to fly then if you
meet a shower, you fly around it?
I have flown in rain many times. With showers you should be ble to see them
and fly around the heavier ones, and should. Rain does not come inside.
What kind of rain intensity makes you do a 180 and go home? Avoid the heavy
showers, bad visibility, low ragged clouds in mountains, obscured passes, icing
and T-Storms. If in doubt stay on the ground until it gets better.
Apart from losing sight, what can rain be a problem for? Wooden props.
Ivoprops with the brushes outside the cowl (mine are behind the gearbox). Carb
ice. Reduced visibility. Avoid getting into icing conditions and T-Storms.
Rain may leak into turtledeck and baggage when tied down, keep essentials in
waterproof bags and bring plastic garbage bags and a sponge. Kitfox is too low
under the wing too small a wing, and too small inside for camping in the rain,
bring a small waterproof tent that is quick to set up and take down.
How does it affect an air-cooled engine like the Jabiru? Don't know, I
have found no problem on Rotax 912 UL or on 4 cylinder Continentals other than
carb ice.
Is there any danger for the thin lexan windscreen? Don't know. Not on
Speedster.
JA IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
"I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control"
Wouldn't the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without
linkage? I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model
2
more roll than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning
in
the breeze?
And kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will
fly
without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land
without damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.
Thanks for the report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the
Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox
flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it
to
the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was
pretty busy with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your
Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle
C=EF=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the
holes
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you
install
the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker
plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural
reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195176#195176
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
Doesn't anyone fly their plane to the DAR's location? Seems like that
would go along way to proving the aircraft airworthy and save money.
:>)
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III, SN# 1000, 912ul,
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
I think I'd rather pay with my tax dollars than $600 + per hr +
expenses.... :-(
Anyone know/is a DAR willing to come to Wrightsville Pa? Please?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: 27 July 2008 11:38 am
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
Mine was free too. That was in 2004. Grand Rapids FSDO couldn't
schedule me for several months so I called Detroit. They scheduled
within 3 weeks. Inspector drove 4 hours each way, spent less than an
hour with me, mostly asking about golf courses in the area. I'm sure his
sticks were in the trunk. Your tax dollars at wotk. ;-)
Off to OSH tomorrow morning.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sat, 7/26/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:06 AM
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Mine cost me nothing. The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to
my
place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it
with the paperwork. He was very nice and helpful. No problems.
However,
that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then.
It
appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for
profit than a service.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate,
and
DARs
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>
>> Does anyone else have invoices/memories of the cost of getting their
>> Airworthiness Certificate?
>
>
> May 5, 2000, $332.50. This included 300 miles round trip travel and
motel
> costs split with another plane he inspected the same day. He spent
about
> an hour going through my builders log and paper work and about two
hours
> inspecting the kitfox.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195046#195046
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
Can one legally fly the airplane before receiving the airworthiness
certificate?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Christensen
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
Doesn't anyone fly their plane to the DAR's location? Seems like that
would go along way to proving the aircraft airworthy and save money.
:>)
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III, SN# 1000, 912ul,
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
I think I'd rather pay with my tax dollars than $600 + per hr +
expenses.... :-(
Anyone know/is a DAR willing to come to Wrightsville Pa? Please?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: 27 July 2008 11:38 am
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
Mine was free too. That was in 2004. Grand Rapids FSDO
couldn't schedule me for several months so I called Detroit. They
scheduled within 3 weeks. Inspector drove 4 hours each way, spent less
than an hour with me, mostly asking about golf courses in the area. I'm
sure his sticks were in the trunk. Your tax dollars at wotk. ;-)
Off to OSH tomorrow morning.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sat, 7/26/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
wrote:
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:06 AM
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Mine cost me nothing. The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to
my
place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it
with the paperwork. He was very nice and helpful. No problems.
However,
that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then.
It
appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for
profit than a service.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate,
and
DARs
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>
>> Does anyone else have invoices/memories of the cost of getting their
>> Airworthiness Certificate?
>
>
> May 5, 2000, $332.50. This included 300 miles round trip travel and
motel
> costs split with another plane he inspected the same day. He spent
about
> an hour going through my builders log and paper work and about two
hours
> inspecting the kitfox.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195046#195046
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
No, I was just stirring the pot. I have a friend who has a newly built
Legal Eagle and he is waiting on the DAR to come to Las Cruces, NM from
Albuquerque, NM. I have been kidding him about flying it to get it
inspected.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III, SN# 1000, 912ul
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
Can one legally fly the airplane before receiving the airworthiness
certificate?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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| Subject: | Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
You need to talk to the FSDO manager,if that does not work get your congressman
involved.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
You could try for a ferry permit. Though I doubt it. Never know. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Christensen
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
No, I was just stirring the pot. I have a friend who has a newly
built Legal Eagle and he is waiting on the DAR to come to Las Cruces, NM
from Albuquerque, NM. I have been kidding him about flying it to get it
inspected.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III, SN# 1000, 912ul
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs
Can one legally fly the airplane before receiving the airworthiness
certificate?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
Bob,
I think what Ellery said was that the linkage broke at the control stick
which would mean the flapperons themselves would still be connected to
the
mixer but froze in whatever position they were left when the linkage
separated from the control stick. I once broke the bolt that attached
the
elevator control to the stick in a Mini-Max, I was on final when it
snapped
and had to flare with throttle, I guess when you are in the middle of it
you
just react.
Lloyd C
KF 5-912 IFA-IVO
Still Working On It
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
"I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control"
Wouldn't the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without
linkage? I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model
2
more roll than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning
in
the breeze?
And kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will
fly
without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land
without damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.
Thanks for the report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:ElleryWeld@aol.com"ElleryWeld@aol.com
"mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com"kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the
Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox
flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it
to
the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was
pretty busy with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your
Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle
C=EF=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the
holes
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you
install
the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker
plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural
reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and |
DARs
The FSDO manager is the one that gave me his name in the first place. I
think I'll take the direct approach, he (the DAR) seems like a nice enough
guy. I'll ask "why so MUCH???" and see what he says... Now that all the
people on the list have given me an idea of what a reasonable charge is,
thanks.
bob
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcsfoto
Sent: 27 July 2008 4:31 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and
DARs
You need to talk to the FSDO manager,if that does not work get your
congressman involved.
David
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
I suppose that with the control pressure released the flaperons return
to
roll-neutral? That would be a "good thing"! I know the Model 2 was
famous,
actually infamous, for not returning to yaw-neutral without stick
pressure
and that was corrected as the models progressed.
I also noticed looking through my log-books that the horizontal
stabiliser
trim tab is a UK mod to a Model 2, as were the notches in the flap
setting
handle. I wondered why listers talk about trimming for pitch with the
flap
setting... The trim tab is very effective and I wouldn't want to be
without
it.
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Cudnohufsky's
Sent: 27 July 2008 4:48 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
Bob,
I think what Ellery said was that the linkage broke at the control stick
which would mean the flapperons themselves would still be connected to
the
mixer but froze in whatever position they were left when the linkage
separated from the control stick. I once broke the bolt that attached
the
elevator control to the stick in a Mini-Max, I was on final when it
snapped
and had to flare with throttle, I guess when you are in the middle of it
you
just react.
Lloyd C
KF 5-912 IFA-IVO
Still Working On It
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
"I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control"
Wouldn't the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without
linkage? I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model
2
more roll than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning
in
the breeze?
And kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will
fly
without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land
without damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.
Thanks for the report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the
Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox
flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it
to
the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was
pretty busy with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your
Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle
C=EF=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the
holes
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you
install
the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker
plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural
reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | door handle questions |
Thank you Lowell and everyone else for the answers to my questions about th
e door handles. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk
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> From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: K
itfox-List: door handle questions> Date: Sun=2C 27 Jul 2008 07:52:52 -0700>
> I guess it really hurts to find out after all this time that I was serio
usly > out of the loop. I used the factory handle and absolutely never had
any > issues with it what-so-ever. I wish I had known I did it all wrong. T
he > only change from Tom's installation was to place the striker plate but
ting > against the front edge of the seat pan. I am sure it isn't as much f
un > checking for proper door closure when accompanied by that rare sweet y
oung > thing=2C but it worked for me.> > The other optional latch available
at the time was the double pin door latch > that came with the speedster.
That apparently didn't work well as the > bottom of the door would spring o
pen a bit because the double pin thing was > mid door fore and aft.> > Lowe
ll> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim_and_Lucy Chuk" <thesupe@hot
mail.com>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Saturday=2C July 26=2C 20
08 7:32 PM> Subject: Kitfox-List: door handle questions> > > > Well here I
am back again=2C thanks to everyone who takes the time to answer > the ques
tions.> Once again I have parts that are not covered by my manual for my Ki
tfox 4. > In the manual> I have=2C it shows an older (I think) style door h
andle and that does me no > good. I'll attach a> couple of pics of the part
s I have=2C I know if I see a picture of them in > action it will all be cl
ear=2C> but right now I can't figure how they go togeather. Thanks again fo
r all > the help. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 MN> > > > =========
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