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1. 01:35 AM - Re: test (grcolquhoun@xtra.co.nz)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Kreem chunks problem (fox5flyer)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Giovanni Day)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: Prop pitch (Daniel Wild)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: Prop pitch (Bob Brennan)
8. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Bob Brennan)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: Prop pitch (Daniel Wild)
10. 07:17 AM - Re: Prop pitch (fox5flyer)
11. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
12. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Throttle springs and HS adjustment (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
13. 08:24 AM - Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Tom Jones)
14. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Lynn Matteson)
15. 08:41 AM - Re: Prop pitch (Bob Brennan)
16. 10:50 AM - Re: Throttle springs and HS adjustment (815TL)
17. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (Lynn Matteson)
18. 04:07 PM - Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit (fox5flyer)
19. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (patrick reilly)
20. 04:19 PM - 582 starter not engaging. (815TL)
21. 05:42 PM - Re: 582 starter not engaging. (fox5flyer)
22. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
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On 9/10/2008, at 10:08 AM, Larry Huntley wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
I picked mine up at their factory on my way home from Sun 'n' Fun in
2005 to save the cost of shipping...it was only a few hundred miles
out of the way.
I was afraid at first of handling the thing, because they really warn
you to have help. At first I did, but once it was placed on the
plane, I moved it around enough to trim the sides and rear with no
help. I used a Dremel tool with an abrasive disk to do the cutting,
then smoothed the edges to a radius with files and sandpaper. I used
the LP Aeroplastic drills, going the recommended oversize to allow
for expansion. I have drills in 1/8", 3/16", and 1/4"...but I just
don't recall what size I used. I'm pretty sure it was a 10-32 screw I
used, which was probably overkill...I'll check later on the size. And
if I DID use 10-32, then I must've drilled with the 1/4" drill.
(memory is a terrible thing to lose) I chamfered and smoothed every
hole. I used the LP A foam tape wherever the windshield contacted the
aircraft. I did the same thing when fitting the turtledeck bubble to
the turtledeck frame, but used much smaller screws.
I'm surprised that you had cracking, Gary, especially toward the inside.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system is in for a "medical checkup"
On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:36 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> I also purchased an LP Aero windscreen thru John McBean and as I
> was drilling the main holes through the cabin uprights it cracked
> from the hole towards the centre of the windscreen. I was using the
> supplied special drills and used some really choice adjectives when
> it cracked!
>
> Crazy thing was that from the centre of the hole to the outside of
> the windscreen was only about 1/4" yet it cracked back thru the
> centre of the windscreen.
>
> I called LP Aero and with John's help they were pretty good about
> it and sent me another one for only a couple hundred bucks.
>
> As I was planning a trip I was able to get a sheet of lexan and
> had a new one made up in about 3 hrs - the new LP Aero It is still
> in the box!
>
> I intend to fit it as they look great but I just need to get my
> confidence back - Lynn when you get a chance perhaps you could let
> me know how you went about fitting yours?
>
> Gary
>
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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> I have had the LP Aeroplastic preformed windshield/skylight in my
> Speedster for 2 1/2 years with nary a problem.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
> system is in for a "medical checkup"
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:58 PM, floran higgins wrote:
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> > I have had the preformed windshield on my Speedster for three
> > years. I have not had any cracks, scratchs, or crazing with it.
> >
> > Floran Higgins
> > Speedster
> > 912ULS
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> > From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
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> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:00 PM
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model IV pre-formed windshield
> >
> > Never got a chance to try mine out, the guy I bought my kit from
> > had bought the preformed windshield in 1994 when he bought the
> > kit. Paid about $350 for it also. After I had the butt and center
> > ribs on the fusaloge, I took the windshield and set it up in
> > place. I walke around the plane and lifted up the font corner of
> > the windshield about an inch to move it just a bit and I heard a
> > little snap. No real pressure on it it or anything, but it had
> > cracked right where it makes the sharpest bend. What a waste of
> > money. It had sat in the big box it came in, maybe it was brittle
> > because of it's age, I don't know. So far I have cut some pieces
> > out of it and heat formed some wingtip light lens caps. It seems
> > to work for that. I would just get the lexan if it was me and make
> > my own windshield. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building. Mn
> >
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Model IV pre-formed windshield
> > > From: thedays@mchsi.com
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:32:59 -0700
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> > > I am wondering what kind of luck people are having with the Model
> > IV pre-formed windshield. Specifically scratch resistance, crazing
> > and cracking.
> > >
> > > Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Kreem chunks problem |
I just returned home from AK. I was one of those resloshers who decided to
take on the project because the evidence of spiderwebbing in the tank and
the tanks weren't yet installed in the wings which made it easier. No
issues at all since then. I can't say for sure that I would have had a
problem had I not resloshed and I'll never know. However, it gave me the
peace of mind I needed.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem chunks problem
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Noel mentioned that the reason he hasn't Kreemed the wing tanks was
> because of the issue of Kreem coming loose and blocking the finger
> strainers. I can recall only one instance that I am aware of when that
> happened. Granted there are tons of Kitfoxes out there without list
> affiliation, but I doubt there were many instances of Kreem problems,
> because back then, the factory was very keen on posting Service Bulletins
> if it determined there were issues. There is one Service Bulletin
> regarding an unnamed sloshing compound coming loose in an aluminum header
> tank. In the search list it is erroneosly dated 1999 covering the general
> time span of the LV Howell instance, but the date on the Denney bulletin
> is 1991. The LV Howell instance was on one of the early Alaska
> adventures. http://www.sportflight.com/alaska/KingEpilogMain.htm Check
> day eleven. There may have been others where flaking occurred, but I am
> not aware of other total blockages from loose Kreem or other instances
> where large pieces came out - 8X8". I mentioned two or three to be a tad
> liberal. As Lynn suggested, it may have been due to poorly prepared
> internal surfaces.
>
> The reason for my post is pretty much as you mention. It caused a real
> firestorm, so to speak. Many seemed to become Kreem phobic and took great
> lengths to either reslosh or remove it. Others just added it to their
> prefight and went on flying. I have been on flights of ten with friends
> to the Idaho back country. None of these guys are on the list, and none
> with Kreem issues and none concerned with Kreem. And most of them with
> Kitfoxes from the Kreem issue era. I just wonder how many of the
> resloshers actually had issues with the Kreem.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:53 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem chunks problem
>
>
>> <paul@eucleides.com>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, October 7, 2008 3:10 pm, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>>
>>> Noel says,"The reason I mentioned my tanks are not
>>>> sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has separated
>>>> in
>>>> the tank and blocked finger strainers.
>>>
>>> Yes this happened - maybe two or three times out of a couple thousand
>>> Kitfoxs.
>>
>> Lowell - seems like 10 years back or so on this list, I seem to recall
>> more than a
>> couple of times where people wanted to slosh the Fiberglas tanks because
>> fuel was
>> causing separation and leaking. Some just could not get the Kreem to
>> stick well and
>> you probably remember all the discussions about repeated sloshing with
>> MEK to remove
>> the Kreem. Some people thought the particular formulation of the Kreem
>> was old and the
>> newer formulations were fine. Some thought it was Ethanol or other
>> oxygenated
>> additives were causing the problem. In some cases it was thought that the
>> Kreem
>> wouldn't be successful if the tanks had been used with the offending
>> gasoline long
>> enough for the fuel to be absorbed somewhat in the Fiberglas. I was left
>> with the
>> impression that people that were successful sloshing did so on new and
>> unused tanks
>> with the most recent Kreem formulation. I could be wrong but it seemed to
>> me like
>> Kreem problems happened more than "two or three" times. Being the expert
>> craftsman
>> that you are, using Kreem was undoubtedly successful for you.
>>
>> --
>> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
>> PAF Consulting Engineers
>> Office 425.440.9505
>> Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
Lynn,
Does that foam tape have adhesive single or double sided?
Also how thick is the LP Windshield?
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Model 4 speedster 912
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Cecil,
I just did the same thing a few weeks ago. In the end it took 1.5 deg.
increase to get the right (6200) rpms.
It is much better that way. Eng. temp are lower and a faster cruise.
Dan Wild
mdl1 532
GSC prop
From: Cecil Stokesberry
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
I have a GSC 3-blade ground adjustable prop.
If my memory has not failed me I orginally
set the prop angle at 10 deg at 75 deg of radius.
The static rpm is 6800 which is max rpm.
I think the static should be 6200. When
increasing the pitch to reduce static rpm
how many degrees change is there
for, say, each 100 rpm's?
Thanks for any insight.
Cecil
Md 4 582 1050
C gear box
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze?- around the top
outside edge neer the sharpest- bend my a-n-p- suggested a dab of aceto
ne- to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the
Lexine is at least 8 years old- and still looks very good probably becau
se of the way I clean it. - any suggestions on how to keep the cracks fro
m getting any worse?-- Malcolm Michigan
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e:
From: gary.algate@sandvik.com <gary.algate@sandvik.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield
It has to be trimmed to size and it
is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and quite brittle but once fitted corre
ctly
is optically clear and distortion free.
Minor scratches that develop can be
polished out so this is quite a benefit.
Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going
to have to fit it now!
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?
Thanks again.
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Dan - 1.5 degree increase to what final setting?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Sent: 10 October 2008 9:27 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
Cecil,
I just did the same thing a few weeks ago. In the end it took 1.5 deg.
increase to get the right (6200) rpms.
It is much better that way. Eng. temp are lower and a faster cruise.
Dan Wild
mdl1 532
GSC prop
From: Cecil Stokesberry <mailto:stokesc@wildblue.net>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
I have a GSC 3-blade ground adjustable prop.
If my memory has not failed me I orginally
set the prop angle at 10 deg at 75 deg of radius.
The static rpm is 6800 which is max rpm.
I think the static should be 6200. When
increasing the pitch to reduce static rpm
how many degrees change is there
for, say, each 100 rpm's?
Thanks for any insight.
Cecil
Md 4 582 1050
C gear box
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
Drill a small hole at the very end of any crack, it will not progress from
there. I have the same problem with a windscreen that needs to be replaced -
my cracks were large enough that I needed to cover them with prop tape as
well.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
Brubaker
Sent: 10 October 2008 9:40 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield
I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top
outside edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone
to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine
is at least 8 years old and still looks very good probably because of the
way I clean it. any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting any
worse? Malcolm Michigan
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, gary.algate@sandvik.com <gary.algate@sandvik.com>
wrote:
From: gary.algate@sandvik.com <gary.algate@sandvik.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield
It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and
quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and distortion
free.
Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a benefit.
Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?
Thanks again.
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Bob,
I'm actually not sure what the final pitch was or how to figure that
exactly. I just used one of those round prop pitch tools with a bubble
in the middle. I marked where the current pitch was and then started
increasing the pitch. first I went two deg. then ran the engine. It was
5800 or so. then decrease one deg still ran 6500 or so. so I ended up
with total 1.5 deg. increase. I have never tried to set a prop. to a
certain pitch. I always run the engine, too slow decrease pitch too fast
increase pitch and then make sure all blades are exactly the same.
Dan Wild
mdl1 532
GSC prop
From: Bob Brennan
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
Dan - 1.5 degree increase to what final setting?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Sent: 10 October 2008 9:27 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
Cecil,
I just did the same thing a few weeks ago. In the end it took 1.5 deg.
increase to get the right (6200) rpms.
It is much better that way. Eng. temp are lower and a faster cruise.
Dan Wild
mdl1 532
GSC prop
From: Cecil Stokesberry
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
I have a GSC 3-blade ground adjustable prop.
If my memory has not failed me I orginally
set the prop angle at 10 deg at 75 deg of radius.
The static rpm is 6800 which is max rpm.
I think the static should be 6200. When
increasing the pitch to reduce static rpm
how many degrees change is there
for, say, each 100 rpm's?
Thanks for any insight.
Cecil
Md 4 582 1050
C gear box
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5800 static is even better.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
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----- Original Message -----
From: Cecil Stokesberry
To: Kitfox
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
I have a GSC 3-blade ground adjustable prop.
If my memory has not failed me I orginally
set the prop angle at 10 deg at 75 deg of radius.
The static rpm is 6800 which is max rpm.
I think the static should be 6200. When
increasing the pitch to reduce static rpm
how many degrees change is there
for, say, each 100 rpm's?
Thanks for any insight.
Cecil
Md 4 582 1050
C gear box
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
Not that I'm an expert or anything=2C but I would recomend that you get a s
heet of lexan and pull the old one=2C
use it for a pattern=2C and in about 3 hrs or so=2C you will have a nice ne
w one. That's what I did on both of my Avids.
Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid Mk IV flying Mn
From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: K
itfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshieldDate: Fri=2C 10 Oct 2008 09:4
6:42 -0400
Drill a small hole at the very end of any crack=2C it will not progress fro
m there. I have the same problem with a windscreen that needs to be replace
d - my cracks were large enough that I needed to cover them with prop tape
as well.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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mTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-fo
rmed windshield
I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top ou
tside edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone to
stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine
is at least 8 years old and still looks very good probably because of the
way I clean it. any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting an
y worse? Malcolm Michigan--- On Thu=2C 10/9/08=2C gary.algate@sandvik.com
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It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and
quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and distortion
free. Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a b
enefit. Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!Gary Alg
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle springs and HS adjustment |
On Thu, October 9, 2008 5:27 pm, larry huntley wrote:
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on the
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> Larry Huntley
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
> I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top outside
edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone to stop the
cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine is at least
8 years old and still looks very good probably because of the way I clean it.
any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting any worse? Malcolm Michigan
Malcolm, I would test the acetone on a scrap piece of lexan first. I have heard
that gasoline splashed on lexan will cause it to crack. One theory is because
the rapid evaporation causes it to cool too fast in a concentrated area.
It took me 4 hours to replace my lexan windshield. Sounds like the lexan price
has gone up considerable in the eight years since then.
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
The tape I have is 1 1/4" wide x 1/16" x 25', very closed cell, and
single adhesive. It almost can't be called "foam" because it is so
non-foam looking, but it is very soft to the fingernail test.
I seem to recall that it is .115" to .125" thick...I just threw out
the trimmings...damn!...after 2 and a half years, but I'm headed for
the hangar now, and if need be I'll let you know.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system is in for a "medical checkup"
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> Lynn,
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> Does that foam tape have adhesive single or double sided?
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> Also how thick is the LP Windshield?
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Thanks Dan,
I was just curious since I wasn't the one that pitched my prop, although it
seems to be set well. The logbook shows "changed prop pitch to 13.5 degrees"
early on and I assume that hasn't changed. It is placarded "Max RPM = 6500"
and at WOT and 55 mph best rate of climb it goes to about 6300 and I always
reduce to 6000 when I get at least 300 ft off the ground just to get a more
comfortable angle in my seat. 75 mph cruise goes with about 5500 rpm in
level flight.
Just trying to relate that all to prop pitch, now that I know from this list
how a fraction of a degree can make a lot of difference to a lot of things.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop (GSC ground-adjustable)
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Wild
Sent: 10 October 2008 10:10 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
Bob,
I'm actually not sure what the final pitch was or how to figure that
exactly. I just used one of those round prop pitch tools with a bubble in
the middle. I marked where the current pitch was and then started increasing
the pitch. first I went two deg. then ran the engine. It was 5800 or so.
then decrease one deg still ran 6500 or so. so I ended up with total 1.5
deg. increase. I have never tried to set a prop. to a certain pitch. I
always run the engine, too slow decrease pitch too fast increase pitch and
then make sure all blades are exactly the same.
Dan Wild
mdl1 532
GSC prop
From: Bob Brennan <mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
Dan - 1.5 degree increase to what final setting?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Cecil,
I just did the same thing a few weeks ago. In the end it took 1.5 deg.
increase to get the right (6200) rpms.
It is much better that way. Eng. temp are lower and a faster cruise.
Dan Wild
mdl1 532
GSC prop
From: Cecil Stokesberry <mailto:stokesc@wildblue.net>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop pitch
I have a GSC 3-blade ground adjustable prop.
If my memory has not failed me I orginally
set the prop angle at 10 deg at 75 deg of radius.
The static rpm is 6800 which is max rpm.
I think the static should be 6200. When
increasing the pitch to reduce static rpm
how many degrees change is there
for, say, each 100 rpm's?
Thanks for any insight.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle springs and HS adjustment |
Hi Guys,
This is the owner of 815TL that Larry was taling about. I want to send out a thank
you to all of you for the information that you have provided to Larry and
to me.
I also want to send a big "thank you" out to Larry, who has been a great help,
and source of information. Without his help, I would have been up a creek. :)
Larry and my instructor flew the plane for a while yesterday, and shot a number
of approaches and landings. From the latest report, it sounds like the stick
issue is not that big of deal, and just takes a little getting used to. I may
still adjust it a little, but at this point it does not sound like it is a CG
problem.
Again, thank you all, and I am sure I will be back for more info. in the near future.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
To follow up....the windshield is .118" thick, and I used 10-32 truss-
head machine screws, because the heads are a bit larger, and
flatter...a bit like button head screws. I spaced mine about 2.2"
apart across the rear, and about 1.9" apart along the sides.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system was declared bad, and is being replaced.
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> Lynn,
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>
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> Also how thick is the LP Windshield?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit |
In general terms, national pipe thread (NPT) means the threads are tapered.
The number, 1/8, 1/4, etc is the size of the ID of the pipe the fitting is
made for, but not necessarily the fitting. For example, a 1/4" galvanized
pipe with NPT threads is actually about 1/2" OD. ID is 1/4".
More confused now?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
>
> The measurement won't mean a lot to a person new to pipe threads.
>
> The easiest way to become familiar with the various sizes of NPT threads
> is to visit the hardware store and buy one each of 1/8, 1/4, 3/8 and
> 1/2...you won't use the 1/2 or 3/8 much in our aircraft, I hope, except
> for the header tank, I think...take 'em home, and compare the sizes to
> what you need to order. That's cheating, but it'll get you to recognize
> the various sizes. Oh, yeah, get males and females as well. Some places
> have a label wrapped around the part, so I'd leave them right on the part
> until you learn to just spot the size from experience. Eventually you'll
> use the samples fixing the ol' house up. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm back
> to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
> do not archive
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
>
>> Ok - showing my ignorance here...
>>
>> The first picture is of the fuel drain for the wing tank which tends to
>> leak and needs replacing. I got as far as http://
>> www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safair.php but the CAV-110, 160,
>> 170, and 180 all look a lot like it. I know what an NPT thread is but
>> where is the 1/4" or 1/8" measurement taken? Or the other measurements?
>>
>> Second picture is my fuel filter. Any suggestions on a replacement?
>> Advance Auto Parts or Manny Moe &Jack ok?
>>
>> Third picture is the whats-it. Obviously a reservoir with some sort of
>> lubricant which hasn't gone down since I have owned the plane. Obviously
>> something I need to know about and service.
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
Giovanni=2C When I drill plexi=2C I heat it to around 120 degrees with a he
at gun. I check the temp with a laser thermometer. It seems to stop crackin
g when drilling or sawing. Give it a test see if it helps.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshieldDate: Fri=2C 10 Oct 2008 02:49:56 +0
000
Check with a local comercial glass installer and see if they can get it for
you on one of their shipments. Probably get it for a good bit less. Also
=2C if you can get it in 4X10 you will have enough for the next time you wa
nt to change it also. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Mn> Subject: Kitfox-Lis
t: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield> From: thedays@mchsi.com> Date: Thu
=2C 9 Oct 2008 15:17:38 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-
List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>> > Called about
a 4x8 sheet today and it was $213 until the next shipment when it will go u
p again. The preformed is going to cost about $500 to buy and get here. I h
ave replaced three of the non-preformed ones in the last 1.5 years and it i
s growing old. The first one broke after being on for several months but ne
ver flown. It was the old rhino 0.125 that came with the kit in the 90s. Th
e next two were plexiglass not lexan so I guess I was asking for it with th
ose. I want something that will last a long time and look nice.> > Anyone e
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| Subject: | 582 starter not engaging. |
Hi all,
I went start up the plane tonight, my instructor was going to take it up
for a flight, and could not get it to start. The volts show good, but is sounds
like the starter is not engaging fully. I turn the key, and the starter clunks,
moves the prop about an inch, then disengages and spins.
Can anyone lead me in the right direction as to what to look for? Could it be
something as simple as lubrication? How and with what should I lubricate it with?
Any other ideas?
I am still new to the Rotax/Kitfox world, so any information anyone could give,
would be appreciated.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: 582 starter not engaging. |
Lubrication is doubtful. With the cowling off, get under the airplane and
with a flashlight and see if you can see any part of the flywheel. Have a
good look at it while someone turns the prop slowly. You may be able to
see what is happening from that angle. Sounds like something is jamming.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "815TL" <lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 starter not engaging.
>
> Hi all,
> I went start up the plane tonight, my instructor was going to take it
> up for a flight, and could not get it to start. The volts show good, but
> is sounds like the starter is not engaging fully. I turn the key, and the
> starter clunks, moves the prop about an inch, then disengages and spins.
>
> Can anyone lead me in the right direction as to what to look for? Could
> it be something as simple as lubrication? How and with what should I
> lubricate it with? Any other ideas?
>
> I am still new to the Rotax/Kitfox world, so any information anyone could
> give, would be appreciated.
>
> Andrew
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield |
Malcolm - if the cracks are large (pick up with a fingernail) I have seen
people drill a small hole at the end of the crack as to terminate it, I
don't know that I would use acetone as even standard gas will craze the
lexan on a warm day.
If I were you I would just replace it with a new lexan screen. It is quite
an easy job and only takes a couple of hours. I got really good at it as
mu=y panel tank on my previous Kitfox had a filler right in front of the
windscreen - On hot days I would sometimes splash some gas on the screen
while filling and this immediately crazed the lower part of the screen.
After about three I ended up removing the panel tank filler and only
filled the wing tank!
Regards
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Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top
outside edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone
to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the
Lexine is at least 8 years old and still looks very good probably because
of the way I clean it. any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from
getting any worse? Malcolm Michigan
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From: gary.algate@sandvik.com <gary.algate@sandvik.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield
It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard
and quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and
distortion free.
Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a
benefit.
Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?
Thanks again.
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| Subject: | My next aircraft (READY TO FLY!!) - Kitfox IV With Cont O-200 |
Hi !!
My aircraft is done!! ... ready to Fly!
More photos you can see at: www.dcubj3.com.br (sorry only in
portuguese)
Really Happy!!!
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| Subject: | Re: My next aircraft (READY TO FLY!!) - Kitfox IV With Cont |
O-200
Congratulations Francisco, it looks great and you will have more fun
than you can believe.
Dee Young
Model II
Do not archive
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From: Francisco Drovetta<mailto:dcubj3@terra.com.br>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My next aircraft (READY TO FLY!!) - Kitfox IV
With Cont O-200
Hi !!
My aircraft is done!! ... ready to Fly!
More photos you can see at:
www.dcubj3.com.br<http://www.dcubj3.com.br/> (sorry only in portuguese)
Really Happy!!!
Francisco Drovetta
Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
S=E3o Paulo, SP, Brazil
dcubj3@terra.com.br<mailto:dcubj3@terra.com.br>
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| Subject: | Series 4-1200 / 912 project for sale $15,500.00 |
I have a series 4 - 1200 for sale. very good used 912 included. Factory build wings,
no instruments . pretty much pre-cover. More info and photos available keith@intev.ca
or 519-240-3064 located in Cambridge Ontario
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