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1. 03:18 AM - Re: new bush gear (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: Seasonal change reminder (Lynn Matteson)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: new bush gear (rawheels)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: new bush gear (815TL)
6. 06:24 AM - Re: new bush gear (Cudnohufsky's)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Old Tygon (Tom Jones)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: new bush gear (Noel Loveys)
9. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Old Tygon (John Ciolino)
10. 07:56 AM - Re: new bush landing gear (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:08 AM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
12. 08:08 AM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
13. 08:08 AM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
14. 08:26 AM - Re: new bush gear (Larry Huntley)
15. 08:37 AM - Re: new bush landing gear (WurlyBird)
16. 08:43 AM - Re: new bush gear (Noel Loveys)
17. 08:50 AM - Re: Death of Dr. robert Jones son Michael (Bob Jones)
18. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: new bush gear (patrick reilly)
19. 09:33 AM - Re: new bush gear (rawheels)
20. 09:34 AM - Re: new bush gear (patrick reilly)
21. 09:51 AM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
22. 11:50 AM - Re: new bush gear (Noel Loveys)
23. 12:06 PM - Re: new bush gear (patrick reilly)
24. 12:23 PM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
25. 12:25 PM - Re: new bush gear (Lynn Matteson)
26. 01:08 PM - Re: new bush gear (Francisco Drovetta)
27. 03:09 PM - Re: new bush gear (Francisco Drovetta)
28. 03:09 PM - Re: new bush gear (Francisco Drovetta)
29. 03:28 PM - Re: new bush gear (Noel Loveys)
30. 03:32 PM - Re: new bush gear (fox5flyer)
31. 03:33 PM - Re: new bush gear (Noel Loveys)
32. 05:19 PM - Re: new bush gear (jeff puls)
33. 05:47 PM - Re: new bush gear (Francisco Drovetta)
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Lynn,
I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear leg is
pretty much identical in build and shape to the original Kitfox leg I took off.
The wheel is in the same position it's just a foot further out toward the wing
tip so I have to stretch to put my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a
short guy. The gear weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I
now have a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to the
outside of the "kingfox" tires)
I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs difference will
equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I can extend
the brake lines.
Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake fluid
reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to see how much fluid
is in the reservoir. This will be useful when back bleeding for fill purposes.
No more running over the top!
I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the "orange peel"
king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both methods (primer dry and
spraying a mist coat onto drying primer) nothing seems to work. I might have to
break down and order a quart of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small
amount) I will give it another shot today.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Seasonal change reminder |
But what you suggest....
"You wouldn't loosen and re tighten bolts holding a wood prop, for
example. You'd only check torque setting is at the minimum of the
range.".....is not what Sensenich tells us to do. The following is
from their torque-checking instructions:
AN5 5/16 bolts
Above 160 (in-lbs) Loosen Bolts, re-torque see Table 1
This information is in the document which can be found at: http://
www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/aircraft_cet/install/cf-a.pdf
Table 1 shows torques for different size bolts, while Table 2 shows
"Bolt Torque Check Values / Actions"
By telling the reader to "Loosen Bolts, re-torque see Table 1" they
are...reading between the lines here...suggesting it is a far worse
condition to leave the torque at too high a value, than to reduce the
torque and set it to a lower value. From what I've learned in
dealing with wood objects in other disciplines...cabinet-making, for
example, wood fibers can be crushed, but will come"back to life" if
left alone, or better by wetting the wood and applying heat to the
crushed area, if it is not too badly crushed/dented. This is exactly
what I did when my prop hit my friends hand when doing a compression
check. The rear of the blade struck his hand and the trailing edge
was dented, and a splinter broke off, hanging by a few wood fibers. I
reattached the splinter which was about 3" x 1/2" in size, and
following that I sanded and soaked the dented area, then applied heat
and the dented area all but returned to its original shape and size.
This is all to say that I believe they are correct in saying "loosen
and retighten to specs".
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 20, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Fri, February 20, 2009 9:47 am, Jim Crowder wrote:
>> <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>>
>> Lynn,
>> How do you know if it is too high without loosening first?
>
> In his example, if the 5/16ths doesn't move checking to 160 in-lbs,
> it is either too
> tight or ok. You have to have a priori knowledge to make the decision.
>
> You wouldn't loosen and re tighten bolts holding a wood prop, for
> example. You'd only
> check torque setting is at the minimum of the range.
>
> On other bolts if the allowable range were say 130 to 160, you can
> check until they
> move first time tightening to 130, check until they break loose but
> don't go over 160.
> If you have or for some reason the nut or bolt is binding, loosen
> and lubricate and
> retighten. Except in the case of wood props, don't loosen and
> retighten.
>
> Wet loctite is a lubricant but after it sets up, the break loose
> torque isn't a good
> measure of strain in tension on the bolt. (strain in the
> engineering sense in/in).
> There are two considerations made when specifying torque. One is to
> achieve the
> desired shear strength between layers of stuff bolted together and
> the other is to
> protect the bolt by not exceeding it's allowable tensile load which
> is mostly
> determined by material properties of the bolt which are coded into
> the bolt cap with
> marks. Some could have allowable tensile loads as high as 280ksi.
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
the wrong place.
In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
installed....mine isn't yet! : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn,
> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
> can extend the brake lines.
> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
> it another shot today.
> Dick
> Maddux
> Fox
> 4-1200
> Rotax
> 912UL
>
> Pensacola,Fl
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
How does the Highwing LLC bush gear compare in price to the kitfox?
I sent a message to Kitfox about their bush gear, but have yet to hear anything
from them. Fransico, can you give any info? Weight, what comes in the kit,
etc.
--------
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
I would be curious about the price as well. I did not see any prices for it on
their website. Looks like a great kit.
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Dick,
Have you considered having a quart custom mixed at your local NAPA or other
auto store that sells automotive paints? I had it done for my first Kitfox
to paint all the fiberglass parts, had 3 colors custom tinted, turned out
great and the cost was very reasonable.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912 IVO IFA
Northern Mi.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Lynn,
I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear leg is
pretty much identical in build and shape to the original Kitfox leg I took
off. The wheel is in the same position it's just a foot further out toward
the wing tip so I have to stretch to put my foot on it to get in the
aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the
spread 2 ft wider. I now have a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7
ft if you measure to the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs difference will
equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I can
extend the brake lines.
Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake fluid
reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to see how much
fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when back bleeding for fill
purposes. No more running over the top!
I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the "orange
peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both methods (primer dry and
spraying a mist coat onto drying primer) nothing seems to work. I might have
to break down and order a quart of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a
small amount) I will give it another shot today.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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> The yellow tygon tubing that came with my model IV in 1991 and has been in storage
(in my garage) for 18 years is oozing a thick sticky oily substance. So
much so that the piece of tygon that I had as a sight tube on the wing tank dripped
the oily excretion down on to the fabric below soaking through the fabric
and making the polytone below it sticky. (the tanks have never had anything
in them).
>
> Has anyone had experience with old tygon like this? Is this what happens when
tygon gets old?
>
> Clem
Clem, I have the yellow tygon fuel line for the vent on a panel tank. It vents
into the wing tank so has fuel in it when the wing tank does. It is 14 years
old and seems to be as soft and good as when new.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I think there is a good weight saving on this gear. I agree it still looks
too far forward but hard to tell as the last pic is of the old gear. Moving
the battery back could make a big difference. Depending on just how heavy
the battery is.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Oh, yeah, this was the one with the gear supposedly in the wrong
place....and looks like it still is. I wonder just how big that
battery is in the tail?
And how would going to this gear without changing locations....if
indeed it IS in the wrong location...change things?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Ok! now how did it weigh in any big changes in bal?
>
>
> Noel
>
>
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Tom,
I had the same experience as you with stored Tygon tubing. Mine was
sitting in a box for about 10 years. I thought it was mildew or some
algae growth. I tried to clean it off but no luck. I used short pieces
for padding around tubes or wires but I won't use it for anything else.
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
N9294Y
Tom Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>> The yellow tygon tubing that came with my model IV in 1991 and has been in storage
(in my garage) for 18 years is oozing a thick sticky oily substance. So
much so that the piece of tygon that I had as a sight tube on the wing tank dripped
the oily excretion down on to the fabric below soaking through the fabric
and making the polytone below it sticky. (the tanks have never had anything
in them).
>>
>> Has anyone had experience with old tygon like this? Is this what happens when
tygon gets old?
>>
>> Clem
>>
>
>
> Clem, I have the yellow tygon fuel line for the vent on a panel tank. It vents
into the wing tank so has fuel in it when the wing tank does. It is 14 years
old and seems to be as soft and good as when new.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231342#231342
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush landing gear |
This might be a bit late in coming, but when I went to a Grove gear,
I didn't have to change the brakes or the wheels...axles, yes, which
came with the gear package...probably at some small extra cost. But
the brakes and wheels are the same as when I bought the unfinished
plane, and they are a direct bolt-on. Yes, you do have to order the
gear specific for those brakes and wheels, but this is all spelled
out on the Grove site, or if ordering from John McBean (I think he is
a dealer) tell him what you have.
This is not to diminish what Lowell is building and selling, just to
set the record straight from my perspective about what is involved
with going to a Grove gear.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
(snip)
> I had considered the Grove gear which I know is a fine gear,but I
> would have to go thru the expense of changing my axles,brakes and
> wheels. This would be a bit sporty in the money department !
(snip)
>
> Dick Maddux
>
> Fox 4-1200
>
> Rotax 912UL
>
> Pensacola,Fl
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
I hope everyone is keeping up with this thread, as it involves two
different airplanes and two different situations....it's too bad that
they got lumped into one subject title. Dick, with the Model IV, who
just changed his gear, and Francisco, who just did a W&B calculation
after (?) adding 11 lbs of battery in the tail, and now that I look
again, I see the change in gear style...I thought the bush gear was
there all along. We need two separate titles for these two planes.
I know for sure that I'm confused!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I think there is a good weight saving on this gear. I agree it
> still looks
> too far forward but hard to tell as the last pic is of the old
> gear. Moving
> the battery back could make a big difference. Depending on just
> how heavy
> the battery is.
>
> Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:02 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
>
> Oh, yeah, this was the one with the gear supposedly in the wrong
> place....and looks like it still is. I wonder just how big that
> battery is in the tail?
> And how would going to this gear without changing locations....if
> indeed it IS in the wrong location...change things?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Ok! now how did it weigh in any big changes in bal?
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
I just had another look at your pictures, Dick, and I think I do see
the 4th float bracket on your fuselage...is that correct?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 21, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back,
> when he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the
> gear in the wrong place.
> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>
> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh
> 2 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Lynn,
>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure
>> to the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>> can extend the brake lines.
>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able
>> to see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful
>> when back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a
>> quart of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I
>> will give it another shot today.
>> Dick
>> Maddux
>> Fox
>> 4-1200
>> Rotax
>> 912UL
>>
>> Pensacola,Fl
>>
>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
I ran the numbers and they look right to me. Now the CG envelope for
the Model IV (mine) is about 10" to about 16" (I don't have the
sheets here right now), so if this is what your airplanes' CG
envelope is, you seem to be in the "front-heavy" end of the envelope,
which is better than being in the "tail-heavy" end of things.
Did you add the 11 lbs, then do the W&B? And did you level the
plane to the bottom door, or whatever level is called for?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Francisco dcubj3 wrote:
> Lynn, Noel
>
> Here "new" W&B situation!
> I had to add 11 lbs on tail
>
> DATUM = Leading Edge of Wing Root
> EMPTY WEIGHT CG
> Weighing PointWht. (Lbs.)Arm, (in.)Moment
> Left Main, (- tare)421,634,121737,13
> Right Main (- tare)417,224,121718,94
> Tail Wheel (+ tare)44,15151,806701,99
> Nose Wheel (-tare)0,000,000,00
> TOTALS883,00 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^10158,06
> MOM. / WEIGHT = EMPTY WEIGHT CG, (in.) =11,50
>
> If you want, I could send W&B xls spreadsheet complete.
>
> FD
> www.dcubj3.com.br
>
>
> De:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> Para:kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Cpia:
> Data:Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:32:00 -0500
> Assunto:Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> >
> > Oh, yeah, this was the one with the gear supposedly in the wrong
> > place....and looks like it still is. I wonder just how big that
> > battery is in the tail?
> > And how would going to this gear without changing locations....if
> > indeed it IS in the wrong location...change things?
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > New skis done and flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> >
> > > Ok! now how did it weigh in any big changes in bal?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Noel
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Stewart Systems will mix paint ( EkoPoly )for you and it is good for
metal, fabric, composite,whatever. It is waterborne and have very little
odor. Is not hazmat and all you need is a charcoal mask.
http://www.stewartsystems.aero/ Larry Huntley 4-1200 Soob
----- Original Message -----
From: Cudnohufsky's
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Dick,
Have you considered having a quart custom mixed at your local NAPA or
other auto store that sells automotive paints? I had it done for my
first Kitfox to paint all the fiberglass parts, had 3 colors custom
tinted, turned out great and the cost was very reasonable.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912 IVO IFA
Northern Mi.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:17 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Lynn,
I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear leg
is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original Kitfox leg I
took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just a foot further out
toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put my foot on it to get in
the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear weight is just 4 lbs lighter
and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft
(actually 7 ft if you measure to the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs difference
will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I can
extend the brake lines.
Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to see
how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when back
bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
"orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both methods
(primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer) nothing seems
to work. I might have to break down and order a quart of enamel from
Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give it another shot
today.
Dick
Maddux
Fox
4-1200
Rotax
912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: new bush landing gear |
Alright, I am curious enough and like to know what aftermarket parts are available
for my toy so I will ask. I checked the website and saw some cool stuff but
I did not see the gear, so how much did it cost? I definitely plan on going
"off roading" so bigger, sturdier gear would be nice.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
4 hrs of instruction and climbing (I solo tomorrow)
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Ok Francisco:
What is your weight and the arm of your seat. Also how much fuel can
you
carry and the arm of your tanks.
It looks like it=92s getting better. 883 is a heavy plane. Compared to
my 511
lb. mod II.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
dcubj3
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Lynn, Noel
Here "new" W&B situation!
I had to add 11 lbs on tail
DATUM = Leading Edge of Wing Root
EMPTY WEIGHT CG
Weighing Point
Wht. (Lbs.)
Arm, (in.)
Moment
Left Main, (- tare)
421,63
4,12
1737,13
Right Main (- tare)
417,22
4,12
1718,94
Tail Wheel (+ tare)
44,15
151,80
6701,99
Nose Wheel (-tare)
0,00
0,00
0,00
TOTALS
883,00
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
10158,06
MOM. / WEIGHT = EMPTY WEIGHT CG, (in.)
11,50
If you want, I could send W&B xls spreadsheet complete.
FD
www.dcubj3.com.br
De:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
Para:
kitfox-list@matronics.com
C=F3pia:
Data:
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:32:00 -0500
Assunto:
Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> Oh, yeah, this was the one with the gear supposedly in the wrong
> place....and looks like it still is. I wonder just how big that
> battery is in the tail?
> And how would going to this gear without changing locations....if
> indeed it IS in the wrong location...change things?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> > Ok! now how did it weigh in any big changes in bal?
> >
> >
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Death of Dr. robert Jones son Michael |
Yes, Mike was bob's only child.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Death of Dr. robert Jones son Michael
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Fri, February 20, 2009 7:50 pm, Bob Jones wrote:
>
>> ... no text at all .... Obit in Word.doc format was attached
>
> Bob - are we to assume Mikee was your son?
>
> I'm very sorry to hear of his early demise. Losing a son is certainly a
> great life
> tragedy.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Why be curious=2C pick up a damn phone and call Lowell!
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: new bush gear
> From: lawrenceaw@corning.com
> Date: Sat=2C 21 Feb 2009 06:06:19 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I would be curious about the price as well. I did not see any prices for
it on their website. Looks like a great kit.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231339#231339
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Wow Pat, why don't you get a little mad about it.
The website doesn't have a phone number or address easily viewed. Best I could
originally do was to sent an e-mail by commenting on a video. As it turns out
it will show a phone number if you act like you are ordering one of the other
items.
Relax a little bit.
--------
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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Lynn And Dick=2C Where do you get the visable reservoir? I thought it was o
dd that you can't check brake fluid level on the stock system.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
> From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> Date: Sat=2C 21 Feb 2009 07:04:46 -0500
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Dick=2C I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> post. It was in response to Noel=2C who was responding to Francisco=2C
> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back=2C when
> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> the wrong place.
> In looking at your pictures just now=2C it looks like they no longer
> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> side=2C as does Francisco's=2C while mine has 4.
>
> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21=2C 2009=2C at 6:16 AM=2C Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Lynn=2C
> > I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
> > leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
> > Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
> > a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
> > my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
> > weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
> > a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
> > the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> > I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> > difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> > I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
> > can extend the brake lines.
> > Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
> > fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
> > see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
> > back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> > I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> > "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> > methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
> > nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
> > of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
> > it another shot today.
> > Dick
> > Maddux
> > Fox
> > 4-1200
> > Rotax
> > 912UL
> >
> > Pensacola=2CFl
> >
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
I got mine from the Matco booth at Oshkosh....about $25-35 as I
recall. You CAN check the fluid level, but it's harder than just
looking. I use the 3/16" (I think) allen wrench that removes the top
plug. I wrap a short length of tape around the wrench at the
1/2" (from the top) mark...you could also grind a suitable mark on
the wrench to indicate the proper level.
In response to someone who said it's hard to tell when you are going
to overflow the reservoir during bleeding, I counted the pumps that
it took (during bleeding) to get from empty to near the top of
reservoir, and kept checking. When I finally had a number of strokes
it took to get close, I would always stop just sort of this number,
and then suck out all the fluid and begin pressure-bleeding again
until the lines were full. When full and brakes firm, add enough
fluid to 1/2" mark and close it up. Never a drop of spillage, but
certainly the clear reservoir would make life a lot simpler.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
do not archive
On Feb 21, 2009, at 12:28 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn And Dick, Where do you get the visable reservoir? I thought it
> was odd that you can't check brake fluid level on the stock system.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:04:46 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> > post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
> > whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back,
> when
> > he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> > the wrong place.
> > In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
> > put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> > side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
> >
> > I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at
> Oshkosh 2
> > 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> > installed....mine isn't yet! : )
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > New skis done and flying
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn,
> > > I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
> > > leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
> > > Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
> > > a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
> > > my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
> > > weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
> > > a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you
> measure to
> > > the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> > > I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> > > difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> > > I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
> > > can extend the brake lines.
> > > Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
> > > fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be
> able to
> > > see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
> > > back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> > > I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> > > "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> > > methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
> > > nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a
> quart
> > > of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will
> give
> > > it another shot today.
> > > Dick
> > > Maddux
> > > Fox
> > > 4-1200
> > > Rotax
> > > 912UL
> > >
> > > Pensacola,Fl
> > >
> > > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
> > > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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> >
> >
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I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually 2 Lb per
main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from 15 lb. to
44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of his seat
and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation envelope for
him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load will be with
a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in. that's a lot
better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane landing. Can
you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a light
tail?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
the wrong place.
In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
installed....mine isn't yet! : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn,
> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
> can extend the brake lines.
> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
> it another shot today.
> Dick
> Maddux
> Fox
> 4-1200
> Rotax
> 912UL
>
> Pensacola,Fl
>
> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
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Lynn=2C Thanks for info. Just ordered mine from Matco on the internet. $38
for the kit. It includes line and hardware to install. I think the modifica
tions on my plane will make the damn think worth 25% more than any other 58
2 KF Mod 3's the way it stands now.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
> From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> Date: Sat=2C 21 Feb 2009 12:50:56 -0500
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I got mine from the Matco booth at Oshkosh....about $25-35 as I
> recall. You CAN check the fluid level=2C but it's harder than just
> looking. I use the 3/16" (I think) allen wrench that removes the top
> plug. I wrap a short length of tape around the wrench at the
> 1/2" (from the top) mark...you could also grind a suitable mark on
> the wrench to indicate the proper level.
> In response to someone who said it's hard to tell when you are going
> to overflow the reservoir during bleeding=2C I counted the pumps that
> it took (during bleeding) to get from empty to near the top of
> reservoir=2C and kept checking. When I finally had a number of strokes
> it took to get close=2C I would always stop just sort of this number=2C
> and then suck out all the fluid and begin pressure-bleeding again
> until the lines were full. When full and brakes firm=2C add enough
> fluid to 1/2" mark and close it up. Never a drop of spillage=2C but
> certainly the clear reservoir would make life a lot simpler.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis off last week...5 minutes=2C and probably back on this week...
> 10 minutes=2C as it's snowing right now.
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 21=2C 2009=2C at 12:28 PM=2C patrick reilly wrote:
>
> > Lynn And Dick=2C Where do you get the visable reservoir? I thought it
> > was odd that you can't check brake fluid level on the stock system.
> >
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > Rockford=2C IL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> > > Date: Sat=2C 21 Feb 2009 07:04:46 -0500
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick=2C I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> > > post. It was in response to Noel=2C who was responding to Francisco
=2C
> > > whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back=2C
> > when
> > > he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> > > the wrong place.
> > > In looking at your pictures just now=2C it looks like they no longer
> > > put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> > > side=2C as does Francisco's=2C while mine has 4.
> > >
> > > I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at
> > Oshkosh 2
> > > 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> > > installed....mine isn't yet! : )
> > >
> > > Lynn Matteson
> > > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> > > Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs
> > > Sensenich 62x46
> > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > New skis done and flying
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 21=2C 2009=2C at 6:16 AM=2C Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lynn=2C
> > > > I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
> > > > leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
> > > > Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
> > > > a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
> > > > my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
> > > > weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
> > > > a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you
> > measure to
> > > > the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> > > > I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> > > > difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> > > > I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
> > > > can extend the brake lines.
> > > > Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
> > > > fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be
> > able to
> > > > see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
> > > > back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> > > > I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> > > > "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> > > > methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
> > > > nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a
> > quart
> > > > of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will
> > give
> > > > it another shot today.
> > > > Dick
> > > > Maddux
> > > > Fox
> > > > 4-1200
> > > > Rotax
> > > > 912UL
> > > >
> > > > Pensacola=2CFl
> > > >
> > > > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
> > > > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> > > > ======================
==========>
> > >
> > >
> > =======================
> > =======================
> > =======================
===========
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
You may inspire me to install mine, Pat...but not as long as it's
this snowy and cold and blowing like it is...not too much fun in the
hangar these days. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
do not archive
On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:05 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Thanks for info. Just ordered mine from Matco on the
> internet. $38 for the kit. It includes line and hardware to
> install. I think the modifications on my plane will make the damn
> think worth 25% more than any other 582 KF Mod 3's the way it
> stands now.
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:50:56 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I got mine from the Matco booth at Oshkosh....about $25-35 as I
> > recall. You CAN check the fluid level, but it's harder than just
> > looking. I use the 3/16" (I think) allen wrench that removes the top
> > plug. I wrap a short length of tape around the wrench at the
> > 1/2" (from the top) mark...you could also grind a suitable mark on
> > the wrench to indicate the proper level.
> > In response to someone who said it's hard to tell when you are going
> > to overflow the reservoir during bleeding, I counted the pumps that
> > it took (during bleeding) to get from empty to near the top of
> > reservoir, and kept checking. When I finally had a number of strokes
> > it took to get close, I would always stop just sort of this number,
> > and then suck out all the fluid and begin pressure-bleeding again
> > until the lines were full. When full and brakes firm, add enough
> > fluid to 1/2" mark and close it up. Never a drop of spillage, but
> > certainly the clear reservoir would make life a lot simpler.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this
> week...
> > 10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2009, at 12:28 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn And Dick, Where do you get the visable reservoir? I
> thought it
> > > was odd that you can't check brake fluid level on the stock
> system.
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > > Rockford, IL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> > > > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:04:46 -0500
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > >
> > > > Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-
> read my
> > > > post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to
> Francisco,
> > > > whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back,
> > > when
> > > > he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the
> gear in
> > > > the wrong place.
> > > > In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no
> longer
> > > > put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on
> each
> > > > side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
> > > >
> > > > I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at
> > > Oshkosh 2
> > > > 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> > > > installed....mine isn't yet! : )
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > > > Sensenich 62x46
> > > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > > New skis done and flying
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Lynn,
> > > > > I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The
> gear
> > > > > leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the
> original
> > > > > Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position
> it's just
> > > > > a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch
> to put
> > > > > my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The
> gear
> > > > > weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I
> now have
> > > > > a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you
> > > measure to
> > > > > the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> > > > > I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> > > > > difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> > > > > I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from
> Spruce so I
> > > > > can extend the brake lines.
> > > > > Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic
> brake
> > > > > fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be
> > > able to
> > > > > see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful
> when
> > > > > back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> > > > > I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> > > > > "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> > > > > methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying
> primer)
> > > > > nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a
> > > quart
> > > > > of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will
> > > give
> > > > > it another shot today.
> > > > > Dick
> > > > > Maddux
> > > > > Fox
> > > > > 4-1200
> > > > > Rotax
> > > > > 912UL
> > > > >
> > > > > Pensacola,Fl
> > > > >
> > > > > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
> > > > > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> > > > > ================================>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ========== _-
> > > =================================== _-
> > > contribution_-
> > > ================================>
> >
> >
> ============================================================ _-
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
As I see it, the 11 lbs he added to the previous 15 = 26, so the 18
lb difference had to come from the wheels now being a bit further
forward.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
do not archive
On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually
> 2 Lb per
> main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from
> 15 lb. to
> 44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of
> his seat
> and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation
> envelope for
> him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load
> will be with
> a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in.
> that's a lot
> better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane
> landing. Can
> you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a
> light
> tail?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
>
> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> the wrong place.
> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>
> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Lynn,
>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
>> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>> can extend the brake lines.
>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
>> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
>> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
>> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
>> it another shot today.
>> Dick
>> Maddux
>> Fox
>> 4-1200
>> Rotax
>> 912UL
>>
>> Pensacola,Fl
>>
>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Lynn, this is correct!!!
Original tailwheel weight: 15 lbs
With new "bush landing gear"
( Main wheel axle is 4" closer than datum )
New tailwheel weight: 33 lbs
MORE 11 lbs = 44 lbs
44 lbs is 5% of total weight (883 lbs), as your instruction " very useful
information"
Tks very much!!!
FD
www.dcubj3.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> As I see it, the 11 lbs he added to the previous 15 = 26, so the 18
> lb difference had to come from the wheels now being a bit further
> forward.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
> 10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>>
>> I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually
>> 2 Lb per
>> main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from
>> 15 lb. to
>> 44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of
>> his seat
>> and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation
>> envelope for
>> him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load
>> will be with
>> a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in.
>> that's a lot
>> better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane
>> landing. Can
>> you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a
>> light
>> tail?
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>>
>>
>> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
>> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
>> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
>> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
>> the wrong place.
>> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
>> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
>> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>>
>> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
>> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
>> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Lynn,
>>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
>>> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>>> can extend the brake lines.
>>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
>>> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
>>> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
>>> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
>>> it another shot today.
>>> Dick
>>> Maddux
>>> Fox
>>> 4-1200
>>> Rotax
>>> 912UL
>>>
>>> Pensacola,Fl
>>>
>>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
>>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>>> ===========================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Mr. Noel:
With pilot e co-pilot I can use 80% fuel tank. equiv 80 litres only (not
total)
In this case, with 40 lbs of bagagge, total weight is almost 1.300 lbs
FD
www.dcubj3.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually 2 Lb
> per
> main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from 15 lb.
> to
> 44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of his seat
> and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation envelope
> for
> him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load will be
> with
> a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in. that's a
> lot
> better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane landing.
> Can
> you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a light
> tail?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
>
> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> the wrong place.
> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>
> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Lynn,
>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
>> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>> can extend the brake lines.
>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
>> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
>> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
>> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
>> it another shot today.
>> Dick
>> Maddux
>> Fox
>> 4-1200
>> Rotax
>> 912UL
>>
>> Pensacola,Fl
>>
>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Lynn
flight level from bottom door, yes!!
I add 11 lbs in tailwheel
With this, 5% of weight in tail, as I read in msg
Tks
FD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> I ran the numbers and they look right to me. Now the CG envelope for
> the Model IV (mine) is about 10" to about 16" (I don't have the
> sheets here right now), so if this is what your airplanes' CG
> envelope is, you seem to be in the "front-heavy" end of the envelope,
> which is better than being in the "tail-heavy" end of things.
> Did you add the 11 lbs, then do the W&B? And did you level the
> plane to the bottom door, or whatever level is called for?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Francisco dcubj3 wrote:
>
>> Lynn, Noel
>>
>> Here "new" W&B situation!
>> I had to add 11 lbs on tail
>>
>> DATUM = Leading Edge of Wing Root
>> EMPTY WEIGHT CG
>> Weighing PointWht. (Lbs.)Arm, (in.)Moment
>> Left Main, (- tare)421,634,121737,13
>> Right Main (- tare)417,224,121718,94
>> Tail Wheel (+ tare)44,15151,806701,99
>> Nose Wheel (-tare)0,000,000,00
>> TOTALS883,00 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^10158,06
>> MOM. / WEIGHT = EMPTY WEIGHT CG, (in.) =11,50
>>
>> If you want, I could send W&B xls spreadsheet complete.
>>
>> FD
>> www.dcubj3.com.br
>>
>>
>> De:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> Para:kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Cpia:
>> Data:Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:32:00 -0500
>> Assunto:Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>> >
>> > Oh, yeah, this was the one with the gear supposedly in the wrong
>> > place....and looks like it still is. I wonder just how big that
>> > battery is in the tail?
>> > And how would going to this gear without changing locations....if
>> > indeed it IS in the wrong location...change things?
>> >
>> > Lynn Matteson
>> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> > Sensenich 62x46
>> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> > New skis done and flying
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ok! now how did it weigh in any big changes in bal?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Noel
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> ============== V> DIV> V> ============== V> =============
>> =============
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
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You're probably right I think he'll notice the handling on landing right
away.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
As I see it, the 11 lbs he added to the previous 15 = 26, so the 18
lb difference had to come from the wheels now being a bit further
forward.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this week...
10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
do not archive
On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually
> 2 Lb per
> main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from
> 15 lb. to
> 44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of
> his seat
> and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation
> envelope for
> him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load
> will be with
> a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in.
> that's a lot
> better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane
> landing. Can
> you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a
> light
> tail?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
>
> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> the wrong place.
> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>
> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Lynn,
>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
>> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>> can extend the brake lines.
>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
>> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
>> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
>> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
>> it another shot today.
>> Dick
>> Maddux
>> Fox
>> 4-1200
>> Rotax
>> 912UL
>>
>> Pensacola,Fl
>>
>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
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>
>
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Patrick, at 25% you're probably doing as well as anyone here. The real
down side is that a part of the 25% is also weight. So it goes...
do not archive
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: patrick reilly
To: kitfox matronics
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Lynn, Thanks for info. Just ordered mine from Matco on the internet.
$38 for the kit. It includes line and hardware to install. I think the
modifications on my plane will make the damn think worth 25% more than
any other 582 KF Mod 3's the way it stands now.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:50:56 -0500
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I got mine from the Matco booth at Oshkosh....about $25-35 as I
> recall. You CAN check the fluid level, but it's harder than just
> looking. I use the 3/16" (I think) allen wrench that removes the top
> plug. I wrap a short length of tape around the wrench at the
> 1/2" (from the top) mark...you could also grind a suitable mark on
> the wrench to indicate the proper level.
> In response to someone who said it's hard to tell when you are going
> to overflow the reservoir during bleeding, I counted the pumps that
> it took (during bleeding) to get from empty to near the top of
> reservoir, and kept checking. When I finally had a number of strokes
> it took to get close, I would always stop just sort of this number,
> and then suck out all the fluid and begin pressure-bleeding again
> until the lines were full. When full and brakes firm, add enough
> fluid to 1/2" mark and close it up. Never a drop of spillage, but
> certainly the clear reservoir would make life a lot simpler.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis off last week...5 minutes, and probably back on this
week...
> 10 minutes, as it's snowing right now.
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 12:28 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> > Lynn And Dick, Where do you get the visable reservoir? I thought
it
> > was odd that you can't check brake fluid level on the stock
system.
> >
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > Rockford, IL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
> > > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:04:46 -0500
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > >
> > > Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read
my
> > > post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to
Francisco,
> > > whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back,
> > when
> > > he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear
in
> > > the wrong place.
> > > In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no
longer
> > > put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on
each
> > > side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
> > >
> > > I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at
> > Oshkosh 2
> > > 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> > > installed....mine isn't yet! : )
> > >
> > > Lynn Matteson
> > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > > Sensenich 62x46
> > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > New skis done and flying
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lynn,
> > > > I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The
gear
> > > > leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the
original
> > > > Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's
just
> > > > a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to
put
> > > > my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The
gear
> > > > weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now
have
> > > > a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you
> > measure to
> > > > the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
> > > > I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
> > > > difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
> > > > I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce
so I
> > > > can extend the brake lines.
> > > > Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic
brake
> > > > fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be
> > able to
> > > > see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful
when
> > > > back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
> > > > I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
> > > > "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
> > > > methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying
primer)
> > > > nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a
> > quart
> > > > of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will
> > give
> > > > it another shot today.
> > > > Dick
> > > > Maddux
> > > > Fox
> > > > 4-1200
> > > > Rotax
> > > > 912UL
> > > >
> > > > Pensacola,Fl
> > > >
> > > > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
> > > > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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>
>
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Have you flown it with the new wheels yet? What are your thoughts on it's
handling while landing? Better Elevator control?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Drovetta
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
<dcubj3@terra.com.br>
Mr. Noel:
With pilot e co-pilot I can use 80% fuel tank. equiv 80 litres only (not
total)
In this case, with 40 lbs of bagagge, total weight is almost 1.300 lbs
FD
www.dcubj3.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually 2 Lb
> per
> main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from 15 lb.
> to
> 44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of his seat
> and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation envelope
> for
> him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load will be
> with
> a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in. that's a
> lot
> better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane landing.
> Can
> you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a light
> tail?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
>
> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
> the wrong place.
> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>
> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Lynn,
>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
>> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>> can extend the brake lines.
>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
>> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
>> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
>> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
>> it another shot today.
>> Dick
>> Maddux
>> Fox
>> 4-1200
>> Rotax
>> 912UL
>>
>> Pensacola,Fl
>>
>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
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Dick,
Can you send me a photo of your door latching mechanism. Thanks. Jeff
Classic IV KTZR
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
Here are some pictures of my new gear.I will give you updates as I go
along.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: new bush gear |
Noel:
With this gear landing is perfect, like J3 (better)
Before change, landing was dangerous, now is great!!
Less weight, axle more closer than before (4 inches), 5% weight on tail
Landing become perfect!!!!
FD
www.dcubj3.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> Have you flown it with the new wheels yet? What are your thoughts on
> it's
> handling while landing? Better Elevator control?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Drovetta
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
> <dcubj3@terra.com.br>
>
> Mr. Noel:
> With pilot e co-pilot I can use 80% fuel tank. equiv 80 litres only (not
> total)
> In this case, with 40 lbs of bagagge, total weight is almost 1.300 lbs
> FD
> www.dcubj3.com.br
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>
>
>>
>> I checked the last W&B Francisco sent and the new gear is actually 2 Lb
>> per
>> main leg lighter. The weight on the tail wheel has increased from 15 lb.
>> to
>> 44 lb. tare. I have asked him to send his weight and the arm of his seat
>> and the arm of his wing tanks so we can figure out an operation envelope
>> for
>> him. I expect if he is anything over 150 lb. the lightest load will be
>> with
>> a CG of around 12 - 12.5 in. Gross should be around 14-15 in. that's a
>> lot
>> better than it was. I'll bet he'll find it a lot better plane landing.
>> Can
>> you imagine trying to recover from a stall in a plane with such a light
>> tail?
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:35 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new bush gear
>>
>>
>> Dick, I have no doubt that yours is in the right place...re-read my
>> post. It was in response to Noel, who was responding to Francisco,
>> whose plane was the subject of much discussion a few weeks back, when
>> he sent pictures of his plane which looked like he had the gear in
>> the wrong place.
>> In looking at your pictures just now, it looks like they no longer
>> put the front float brackets on the fuselage...yours has 3 on each
>> side, as does Francisco's, while mine has 4.
>>
>> I too have one of those visible reservoirs...I bought it at Oshkosh 2
>> 1/2 years ago....some things just take a little longer to get
>> installed....mine isn't yet! : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Lynn,
>>> I assure you my gear is not mounted in the wrong place. The gear
>>> leg is pretty much identical in build and shape to the original
>>> Kitfox leg I took off. The wheel is in the same position it's just
>>> a foot further out toward the wing tip so I have to stretch to put
>>> my foot on it to get in the aircraft. I am a short guy. The gear
>>> weight is just 4 lbs lighter and the spread 2 ft wider. I now have
>>> a 6 ft spread vs the original 4 ft (actually 7 ft if you measure to
>>> the outside of the "kingfox" tires)
>>> I am not too worried about weight and balance as the 4 lbs
>>> difference will equal the 4 lbs of stuff I put in the panel!
>>> I am waiting for the polyflow fittings to arrive from Spruce so I
>>> can extend the brake lines.
>>> Yesterday I installed the "visible reservoir" thick plastic brake
>>> fluid reservoir that I obtained a while back. Now I will be able to
>>> see how much fluid is in the reservoir. This will be useful when
>>> back bleeding for fill purposes. No more running over the top!
>>> I am having a time painting the gear leg fairings! Call me the
>>> "orange peel" king. I am using Poly Tone and have tried both
>>> methods (primer dry and spraying a mist coat onto drying primer)
>>> nothing seems to work. I might have to break down and order a quart
>>> of enamel from Spruce (so expensive for a small amount) I will give
>>> it another shot today.
>>> Dick
>>> Maddux
>>> Fox
>>> 4-1200
>>> Rotax
>>> 912UL
>>>
>>> Pensacola,Fl
>>>
>>> Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. _-
>>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>>> ===========================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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