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1. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Making tape stick (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Making tape stick (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: VG generators (akflyer)
5. 06:16 AM - Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints (akflyer)
6. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints (Noel Loveys)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Anyone know anything about the Raven (kitfox clone)? Ellips (earnestj0)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints (Lynn Matteson)
10. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints (Lynn Matteson)
11. 02:21 PM - Rc Allen Turn Coordinator Install (DanM)
12. 02:37 PM - Re: Rc Allen Turn Coordinator Install (Clint Bazzill)
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints |
Slag? On a MIG or TIG weld? Surely he did not use a (slag-generating)
stick (arc) welder?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I would probably go along with you on that... but aren't the
> frames made at
> a professional company by experts with many years of training and
> experience? I watched a certified welder do a cluster joint one
> time. I
> figure it took him several hours to get ready to do the actual
> welding. I
> actually turned down a job e did for our AMO at one time. The
> joint was
> full of pin holes and slag all over the place. Well everyone can
> have a bad
> day. Just haven't yet figured out which one of us was having the
> hard day.
> Him for the poor welding job or me for having to bring it to his
> attention.
> His second try was excellent.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Making tape stick |
Lynn,
Your idea is a good one,however, I have been using vinyl tape trim on a
number of aircraft in the past and you can hardly tell it from paint.It works
very well.(ala the new Cessnas,cars,etc)
This is the first time I have had trouble having it stick but I know the
reason is because of the very tight radius ,age and the width of the tape.
I assure you I can get a very nice looking job with the thin tape.
No one in my area even know what a Kitfox is.I am the only aircraft in my
immediate area with a Rotax engine. Most of the other guys think I am
flying around in one of those "whiney" ultralights.I really don't care what they
think of course as I recently discovered fun flying again and I am flying
this airplane more than any of the others I have had.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
PS; I have a box full of awards for my British cars so adding any more for
my airplane and pleasing judges, is not a factor. I just want to have a nice
looking airplane without making a mess of an otherwise nice looking cowl
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| Subject: | Re: Making tape stick |
Hi Dick-
Have you tried the model airplane/hobby stores for narrow tape? The 5-
year old tape I have on hand is 1/8" and 1/4", and maybe like yours
is too old. I just looked up the Carl Goldberg line of tapes (that I
used in the past) and their address is: http://
www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/accys/gbgq0680.html
Another line is "Hangar 9" by Horizon Hobby, Inc. I haven't looked
into the automotive line of tapes, but they probably have a good line
of products as well. Maybe the modeler's tapes are better because of
the closer proximity of the viewer to the plane...the closer you get,
the better the tape has to be, might be the motto, I don't
know...just throwing ideas out there.
I saw you got one post that mentioned heat to relax "the stretched
vinyl". That...the stretching....is a no-no from what I have learned
and read: "DO NOT over-stretch Stripe during application! Tape must
lie comfortably on surface." says the instructions on the Carl
Goldberg Color Stripe instructions. Then they "apply medium heat
250-300 F, using an iron and a soft cloth to rub down...."
I've done this on models and it works well, but the trick is to
follow the "don't stretch" instructions, just like you would if you
were laying down the narrow masking tapes prior to painting....any
stretching and the tape will shrink and lift off the surface.
The reason I shy away from the tapes on a full-size plane is the
amount of time it will (probably) be in the sun. I've seen tapes lift
from a plane and then it looks bad.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 29, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn,
> Your idea is a good one,however, I have been using vinyl tape
> trim on a number of aircraft in the past and you can hardly tell it
> from paint.It works very well.(ala the new Cessnas,cars,etc)
> This is the first time I have had trouble having it stick but I
> know the reason is because of the very tight radius ,age and the
> width of the tape.
> I assure you I can get a very nice looking job with the thin tape.
> No one in my area even know what a Kitfox is.I am the only
> aircraft in my immediate area with a Rotax engine. Most of the
> other guys think I am flying around in one of those "whiney"
> ultralights.I really don't care what they think of course as I
> recently discovered fun flying again and I am flying this airplane
> more than any of the others I have had.
> Dick Maddux
> Pensacola,Fl
>
> PS; I have a box full of awards for my British cars so adding any
> more for my airplane and pleasing judges, is not a factor. I just
> want to have a nice looking airplane without making a mess of an
> otherwise nice looking cowl
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG generators |
We were out playing on the beach a couple days ago. The KF did a lowell approach,
mine was more of a clint approach. The cross wind did not make for ideal
use of full flaps, but you will get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bddee4CSqg
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints |
You can get slag inclusions on both mig and tig. Slag is defined as a non-metallic
inclusion in the weldement. If the filler wire is not cleaned properly,
you can indeed leave nice little slag inclusions in the form of silicon.
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Avid "C" / Mk IV
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints |
Hell no it was just an off day for him. He let a job go that he knew he
never should have. I was just unlucky enough to find it and report it ot my
boss who ordered it redone.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints
Slag? On a MIG or TIG weld? Surely he did not use a (slag-generating)
stick (arc) welder?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I would probably go along with you on that... but aren't the
> frames made at
> a professional company by experts with many years of training and
> experience? I watched a certified welder do a cluster joint one
> time. I
> figure it took him several hours to get ready to do the actual
> welding. I
> actually turned down a job e did for our AMO at one time. The
> joint was
> full of pin holes and slag all over the place. Well everyone can
> have a bad
> day. Just haven't yet figured out which one of us was having the
> hard day.
> Him for the poor welding job or me for having to bring it to his
> attention.
> His second try was excellent.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints |
Lynn:
I forgot to mention that it was a TIG weld. Stick and MIG are not used in
certified welds here. I think there is some applications for Oxy/Fuel
welding. (a.k.a. oxy acetlyne)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints
Slag? On a MIG or TIG weld? Surely he did not use a (slag-generating)
stick (arc) welder?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I would probably go along with you on that... but aren't the
> frames made at
> a professional company by experts with many years of training and
> experience? I watched a certified welder do a cluster joint one
> time. I
> figure it took him several hours to get ready to do the actual
> welding. I
> actually turned down a job e did for our AMO at one time. The
> joint was
> full of pin holes and slag all over the place. Well everyone can
> have a bad
> day. Just haven't yet figured out which one of us was having the
> hard day.
> Him for the poor welding job or me for having to bring it to his
> attention.
> His second try was excellent.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know anything about the Raven (kitfox clone)? |
Ellips
When I spoke to Charlie Gibbs, I guess he didn't know about the other two. I saw
the wings being put together, partially built. You are right, very complicated.
They are covered with wood, but Charlie said if he were to manufacture
the plane, he would cover with metal. The one I saw only had one control, I would
have to put another in if I were to build. Tempting!! Should be very nice
planes.
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Ted (Earnest Jacques)
McCall, ID
Kitfox V Vixen/Subaru Turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints |
Hmmmm.....I was thinking only of the thick crap that is left after an
arc job. Maybe my welds are so clean, there is no slag to speak
of....and I'll sell a bottle of snake oil to go along with that
excuse. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 29, 2009, at 9:16 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
> You can get slag inclusions on both mig and tig. Slag is defined
> as a non-metallic inclusion in the weldement. If the filler wire
> is not cleaned properly, you can indeed leave nice little slag
> inclusions in the form of silicon.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241893#241893
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded tube joints |
I wasn't even thinking of it being a certified weld...I guess I
didn't read the thing thoroughly enough...my bad.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 29, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> I forgot to mention that it was a TIG weld. Stick and MIG are not
> used in
> certified welds here. I think there is some applications for Oxy/Fuel
> welding. (a.k.a. oxy acetlyne)
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Prevention Kitfox welded
> tube joints
>
>
> Slag? On a MIG or TIG weld? Surely he did not use a (slag-generating)
> stick (arc) welder?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>
>> I would probably go along with you on that... but aren't the
>> frames made at
>> a professional company by experts with many years of training and
>> experience? I watched a certified welder do a cluster joint one
>> time. I
>> figure it took him several hours to get ready to do the actual
>> welding. I
>> actually turned down a job e did for our AMO at one time. The
>> joint was
>> full of pin holes and slag all over the place. Well everyone can
>> have a bad
>> day. Just haven't yet figured out which one of us was having the
>> hard day.
>> Him for the poor welding job or me for having to bring it to his
>> attention.
>> His second try was excellent.
>>
>> Noel
>
>
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| Subject: | Rc Allen Turn Coordinator Install |
Hello all, I purchased a used RC Allen Turn and Bank indicator PN 82a-11 for a
good price I might add ,to install on my Kitfox IV. Trouble is I didn't get the
installation instructions so I'm kinda stuck. I called the factory (Kelly)
and they said no instructions are available which seems kinda strange to me. Any
way, my main problem is the type and size of wire to use, circuit breaker size
and how the wire connects in the connector. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV , Ready for Inspection
Jabiru 2200 , 1.5 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
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| Subject: | Rc Allen Turn Coordinator Install |
Hi=2C
Only 2 connections and it is marked on back. Kind of hard to read=2C you w
ill have to probably buy the Cannon connector or Amphenol. Number 20 ga wi
re is more then enough 3 or 4 am would be my guess=2C its only to protect t
he wire anyway. I am in my motor home working on plans for home in Mazatza
l Airpark=2C Payson=2C Az.
Clint
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rc Allen Turn Coordinator Install
> From: djmc4344@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Wed=2C 29 Apr 2009 14:17:42 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hello all=2C I purchased a used RC Allen Turn and Bank indicator PN 82a-1
1 for a good price I might add =2Cto install on my Kitfox IV. Trouble is I
didn't get the installation instructions so I'm kinda stuck. I called the f
actory (Kelly) and they said no instructions are available which seems kind
a strange to me. Any way=2C my main problem is the type and size of wire to
use=2C circuit breaker size and how the wire connects in the connector. An
y help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV =2C Ready for Inspection
> Jabiru 2200 =2C 1.5 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
> do not archive
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