Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/04/09


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 04:44 AM - Re: N20KF makes first flight (W Duke)
     2. 05:30 AM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (Boilermaker2000)
     3. 05:41 AM - Re: Kitfox (jridgway)
     4. 06:51 AM - IFR KItfox (Michel Verheughe)
     5. 07:21 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (Bob Brennan)
     6. 07:26 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (Lowell Fitt)
     7. 07:49 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (Larry Huntley)
     8. 08:03 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (Noel)
     9. 08:36 AM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (Lynn Matteson)
    10. 01:23 PM - Re: IFR KItfox (Michel Verheughe)
    11. 01:39 PM - Re: IFR KItfox (jridgway)
    12. 03:14 PM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (Lynn Matteson)
    13. 03:14 PM - Re: Seat belt damage (Michael Laundy)
    14. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Seat belt damage (Michael Laundy)
    15. 03:42 PM - Re: Seat pan (Michael Laundy)
    16. 09:03 PM - Re: Kitfox (jridgway)
    17. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: IFR KItfox (Jose M. Toro)
    18. 09:46 PM - Aerobatic entry speeds. (ron schick)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:44:06 AM PST US
    From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: N20KF makes first flight
    Congratulations.- It's good to have another Fox in Georgia.- I am at GE 26 near Dublin.- Come on over when you can. Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240 Dublin, GA --- On Sun, 8/2/09, PMorel <pmorel@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: PMorel <pmorel@bellsouth.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: N20KF makes first flight N20KF made her first flight on July 30 at GA04, Mallards Landing.-http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA7mAFZ0Mu4- The flight went as planned and the aircraft handled beautifuly.- My 40 hour fly off will probably go fast. - I plan spending a lot of time in the air. 912 Speedster in-flight adjustable IVO ICOM A210 Garmin GTX-320A transponder - Paul Morel - =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:30:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotec TBI success story
    From: "Boilermaker2000" <wheeler.ryan@westfieldairport.com>
    Guy Buchanan wrote: > What is the "other system" you're referring to; I don't know of any available on the open market. I assume he is referring to the AeroCarb. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255941#255941


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    Time: 05:41:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox
    From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
    I purchased a gyro that was home built about two years ago. I could not license it EXPERIMENTAL since I did not build it. The FAA registered it ELSA. They used ELSA when they were trying to get all aircraft licensed last year (heavy ultralights, unlicensed aircraft, ...). I think they stopped using this option after the 1 year 'grace period'. I was also able to go to a 2 day CONDITIONAL INSPECTION course and now I can also do my own annuals. Jack Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255943#255943


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    Time: 06:51:12 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: IFR KItfox
    Hello guys, I got an email from a Danish F-16 pilot who wonder how it is to fly a Kitfox. He lives nearly 100 miles from his air base and consider buying a light plane to fly to and from work. But, because he must fly all days, also in the winter, be must do it IFR. He has all the licenses he needs for it but ... can a Kitfox built under the Experimental rule be instrumented and certified IFR? He lives near a little grass landing strip and will fly to his military base, with all the whistles and bells; including ILS. Cheers, Michel <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 07:21:13 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
    Subject: IFR KItfox
    Michel, For what it's worth - while getting my Kitfox II it's ELSA (Experimental, Light Sport) Airworthiness Certification and reviewing the restrictions issued with the certificate I asked my DAR that specific question - he said that as long as the aircraft has the proper lighting and instruments and the pilot is Instrument Rated there are no restrictions on my airplane to fly it IFR. All I need now is about $30,000 worth of upgrades! ;-) But I would also first seriously consider the airplane-in-question's ability to handle bad weather and turbulence, personally I feel my Model II is a great fair-weather plane but I would be extremely cautious about any IFR conditions that might include turbulence, but that's just my opinion. It's a *very* light airplane, however I believe later heavier Kitfox models are a lot more stable in rough conditions so might be better suited for IFR. Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: 04 August 2009 9:38 am Subject: Kitfox-List: IFR KItfox Hello guys, I got an email from a Danish F-16 pilot who wonder how it is to fly a Kitfox. He lives nearly 100 miles from his air base and consider buying a light plane to fly to and from work. But, because he must fly all days, also in the winter, be must do it IFR. He has all the licenses he needs for it but ... can a Kitfox built under the Experimental rule be instrumented and certified IFR? He lives near a little grass landing strip and will fly to his military base, with all the whistles and bells; including ILS. Cheers, Michel <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</a> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution</a> </b></font></pre>


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    Time: 07:26:59 AM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: IFR KItfox
    Michel, I have no personal experience in this, but here in the US, there have been several pilots that flew IFR regularly. Michael Harder comes to mind. I know of another that lives in the coastal area and uses it to punch through the usual morning fog layer. What I have heard, however, is that because the Kitfox tends to be a bit bouncy in turbulance, it is not the best IFR platform. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: IFR KItfox > Hello guys, > I got an email from a Danish F-16 pilot who wonder how it is to fly a > Kitfox. He lives nearly 100 miles from his air base and consider buying a > light plane to fly to and from work. But, because he must fly all days, > also in the winter, be must do it IFR. He has all the licenses he needs > for it but ... can a Kitfox built under the Experimental rule be > instrumented and certified IFR? > He lives near a little grass landing strip and will fly to his military > base, with all the whistles and bells; including ILS. > > Cheers, > Michel > > <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</a> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution</a> > > </b></font></pre>


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    Time: 07:49:39 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR KItfox
    Lowell, With all due respect to Michael,he did a lot of things with his Kitfox that a prudent pilot would/should probably not attempt. The last one cost him dearly. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IFR KItfox > > Michel, > > I have no personal experience in this, but here in the US, there have been > several pilots that flew IFR regularly. Michael Harder comes to mind. I > know of another that lives in the coastal area and uses it to punch > through > the usual morning fog layer. What I have heard, however, is that because > the Kitfox tends to be a bit bouncy in turbulance, it is not the best IFR > platform. > > Lowell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:37 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: IFR KItfox > > >> Hello guys, >> I got an email from a Danish F-16 pilot who wonder how it is to fly a >> Kitfox. He lives nearly 100 miles from his air base and consider buying a >> light plane to fly to and from work. But, because he must fly all days, >> also in the winter, be must do it IFR. He has all the licenses he needs >> for it but ... can a Kitfox built under the Experimental rule be >> instrumented and certified IFR? >> He lives near a little grass landing strip and will fly to his military >> base, with all the whistles and bells; including ILS. >> >> Cheers, >> Michel >> >> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</a> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution</a> >> >> </b></font></pre> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:57:00


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    Time: 08:03:14 AM PST US
    From: "Noel" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: IFR KItfox
    Is he also planning on installing an ILS at his strip? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: 04 August 2009 11:08 Subject: Kitfox-List: IFR KItfox Hello guys, I got an email from a Danish F-16 pilot who wonder how it is to fly a Kitfox. He lives nearly 100 miles from his air base and consider buying a light plane to fly to and from work. But, because he must fly all days, also in the winter, be must do it IFR. He has all the licenses he needs for it but ... can a Kitfox built under the Experimental rule be instrumented and certified IFR? He lives near a little grass landing strip and will fly to his military base, with all the whistles and bells; including ILS. Cheers, Michel <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</a> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution</a> </b></font></pre>


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    Time: 08:36:52 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Rotec TBI success story
    I was referring to the Aerocarb. I didn't want to mention the name because I think the Aerocarb folks have got a radar that sniffs out any mention of the "A" word and sends bad vibes your way. Kinda kidding, but there was a guy who bad-mouthed the A'carb, and got removed from the Yahoo group for his bad reports. It might have been deserved, I don't know all the facts about it. The Aerocarb is sold by the Sonex folks, and they swear by it. Some owners of the A'carb have expressed having great difficulty in getting them to work right, and others....those that follow the instructions, perhaps....bolt them on and tweak a little and go flying. The Jabiru engine site on Yahoo, periodically has a lot of give-and-take on the subject, and once in a while the Sonex folks will chime in with a reminder to follow the instructions and the carb will work just fine. And when I said "Bing replacement" I didn't mean to suggest that the Rotec TBI-40 is a parallel swap for the Bing. I meant to say that it is another option for folks who want to explore another form of fuel system....and I love to try something new. P.S. "terse" had me scrambling for the dictionary....I hadn't heard that word in ages. : ) Just how old ARE you, Guy? : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 720 hrs Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: working on TBI installation...very close to completion On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:37 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 04:09 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: >> As advertised, this thing will not drip fuel like the other >> well-known Bing replacement on the market. Nothing against them, but >> I am VERY happy I made the decision...so far, anyway. Flying might be >> another thing, but so far, so good. > > God Lynn, you're so terse. Can't get you to open up at all. ;-) > What is the "other system" you're referring to; I don't know of any > available on the open market. > > Thanks, > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting > >


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    Time: 01:23:47 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: RE: IFR KItfox
    Thank you for your answers, Lowell and Bob. Of course, a Kitfox feels more turbulence than a F-16. Incidentally, one week ago, I went flying alone in the mountains for the first time after I got my license back. Nice summer weather, sunny and warm. I flew to Fyresdal, a nice place inland. On my leg home, in the initial and very long climb, it got very turbulent from the thermals and I hit a real "air hole," it went very fast but from the corner of my eye, I saw my pilot bag mid-air in the cockpit. The strange thing was that, right after that, the air was extremely smooth. As Rod Machado writes it: Turbulence are like waves at sea, only that you don't seen them and that's what scary movies are made off! :-) Noel, of course he can't land on the grass strip in IFR conditions. The commercial airport of Odense is not far from his home, as he tells me. For those interested, Odense was the home of H.C. Andersen, the famous Danish fairy tales author. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 01:39:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: IFR KItfox
    From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
    We had a USAF reserve officer (non pilot) who wanted to fly from Dallas to San Antonio to do his reserve duty. It took almost a year to get approval to land at Kelly AFB...and his father was a 1 star general...good luck... Jack Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256029#256029


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    Time: 03:14:57 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Rotec TBI success story
    Three good flights today. After first tying the plane to a farm implement and running it up for nearly a minute at 2880 static, I took off with about the same "feel" as with the Bing. Rpm was 2850-2910 or so, but what bothered me was the fuel flow indicator was showing 4.5-4.7 gals/hr, where before with the Bing, it would show 6.6-6.8 gph. Later on, after flying it at various throttle settings, I found that as I increased the throttle from 3000, it would read 3040, 3050, 3060, 3070 ok, then any more throttle and the rpm would drop. This is probably why Jabiru/Bing say not to alter the WOT setting which is a stop on the carb. In fact in the literature that came with the TBI (either in the lit, or it was Paul, the Rotec tech that said it) it says that you may have to stop the throttle short of fully open. Tomorrow I will insert some slotted washers behind the throttle control to prevent the knob from hitting the panel. It might just be that my low fuel use during takeoff was an indication that I had reached the point where the rpm's would drop, and this is what caused the low fuel-burn numbers. After I do this simple "throttle stop with washers", I'll note where it starts to bog down, and adjust the cable accordingly. I'm hoping to see better flow numbers after this change. If I don't, I'll have to look elsewhere to find the cause. One thing about the mixture control....it takes some getting used to it, after having relied on the Bing to do the work. It's amazing how fast you can see those EGT number change when tweaking the "red knob." Rotec 3600 in a Hatz?....must be nice, John!! Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 720 hrs Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway do not archive On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:23 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > Lynn keep us posted. I spent a couple sessions with Paul at the > Rotek booth. The TBI is on my list of things to do this winter on > the R3600 installed in my Hatz Classic. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:09:48 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotec TBI success story > > > I bought a Rotec TBI-40 mechanical fuel injection system while at > Oshkosh, and spent the last 3 1/2 days making the throttle control > bellcrank, the air intake tube adapter, and the fuel line, and after > all checks and double-checks, I fired her up. The TBI performed as > advertised....right out of the box. The first flight will come > tomorrow. As advertised, this thing will not drip fuel like the other > well-known Bing replacement on the market. Nothing against them, but > I am VERY happy I made the decision...so far, anyway. Flying might be > another thing, but so far, so good. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 720 hrs > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection > Status: working on TBI installation...very close to completion > do not archive > > > On Aug 3, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Ted Palamarek wrote: > > > <temco@telusplanet.net> > > > > Rich > > > > If I'm not mistaken that is Stan Specht's plane from Colorado. I > > think he > > calls his plane Columbine after the State flower. > > > > I'm copying Stan with this msg and he will probably confirm whether > > it is > > his machine. > > > > Ted Palamarek > > Edmonton, AB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rcsfca > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:56 PM > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox pic in Oshkosh headline > > > > matronics@yahoo.com> > > > > All- > > > > "Wired Magazine" visited Oshkosh and posted an online article on > > July 30th > > about the high-volume of traffic that the ATC handles during the > > show. Guess > > what showed up in their lead-in photo? > > > > I know some of you will recognize the plane - it's very > distinctive... > > > > Here's the link for the article: > > > > http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/07/airventure-control-tower > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich Cunningham > > Model IV - 912 > > SF East Bay > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255727#255727 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/land_on_the_green_dot_144.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > = - List Contribution Web Site > ===================== > > > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 03:14:57 PM PST US
    From: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Seat belt damage
    Lowell, The aircraft first flew in 96. I doubt if the seat had been removed before, so I guess the damage was probably gradual. Mike --- On Mon, 3/8/09, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Seat belt damage Michael, Do you think that much damage could happen in a year.- I always hated the chore, but the seat came out every year as I did the annual condition insp ection.- This is good info as it is one of the many maintenance issues th at was not on my checklist. Lowell Fitt Cameron Park, CA Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Covering Fuselage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Laundy" <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat belt damage I had cause to remove the seat in my KF 3, (total airfrme hours around 600) and found the pilot's seat belt badly worn where it passes through the sea t pan. It has actually cut pretty well half way through. The damage could n ot be seen from above, and had gone unnoticed as its very hard to see under the seat without removing it. Photo attached. Mike Laundy KF 3, Rotax 582England le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 03:25:40 PM PST US
    From: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Seat belt damage
    Tom I think thats a very sensible thing to do, I shall do the same with mine in the future. I also found scuffing marks on the aileron control rods, they had never fel t stiff but the paint had come off the top of the rods where they had rubbe d on the seat.- The foam blocks under the seat were showing signs of perm anent compression so I replaced them. I think maybe the guy who had the plane before me was a bit heavier! Mike Laundy Kitfox 3, Rotax 582, UK --- On Mon, 3/8/09, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote: From: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Seat belt damage Good post Mike. I figured that was a wear point so spent a lot of time checking the fit and making sure the edges of the seat belt slot in the seat were rounded and s mooth as I could make them.- I take the seat out and inspect the belts ea ch condition inspection. I also extended the plastic tubing the rudder cables run in farther back th an the manual showed to prevent the cables from rubbing on the out side sea t belts. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255844#255844 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 03:42:32 PM PST US
    From: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Seat pan
    Patrick, If you still want a seat pan I know where there may be one, but its over he re in the UK. so postage costs may be a bit expensive.- My engineering in spector has the remains of a KF 3 which is not repairable due to corrosion. (It turned over during a water landing and water got into the tubing and c orroded them from the inside). He has supplied me with the pilots harness to replace my damaged one, and m ay have other useable bits and pieces.- Mike Laundy KF 3, Rotax 582, UK --- On Mon, 3/8/09, patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote: From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat pan =0A=0A=0A#yiv132172470 .hmmessage P=0A{=0Amargin:0px;padding:0px;}=0A#yiv13 2172470 {=0Afont-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}=0A=0AKitfoxers, Does anyon e have a fibre glass-seat pan for a Model 3-that I can buy? I hacked mi ne up trying to redesign it. =0A- =0APat Reilly =0AMod 3 582 Rebuild =0ARockford, IL- =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:03:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox
    From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
    I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter. He told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons were never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago and terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you are really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not registered by the original builder. Jack PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and were not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the same plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2 day course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same aircraft.. PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105


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    Time: 09:15:18 PM PST US
    From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: IFR KItfox
    Michel:=0A=0AI suppose this happen very recently.- I'm glad you don't nee d a copilot anymore.- I would guess your son disagree...now he has to sea t down and wait- for his turn :-)=0A=0ASaludos!=0A=0AJos=E9=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Michel Verheughe <michel@online .no>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 4:17:2 6 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: RE: IFR KItfox=0A=0AI went flying alone in the mountains for the first time after I got my license back. =0A=0ACheers,=0A Michel Verheughe=0ANorway=0AKitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200=0A=0ADo not archive=0A =0A<pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> .com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List< -> <a href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c ===================0A=0A</b></font></pr e>=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:46:58 PM PST US
    From: ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Aerobatic entry speeds.
    My connection at the FAA wants me to put the Kitfox back in phase one and d o flight tests before he re issues another airworthiness certificate and op erating limitations without the "aerobatics prohibited". I find it an odd way to get new operating limits=2C but don't want to debate the proccess wi th the FAA. I was wondering if anyone had either published=2C or their own numbers to use for entering and exiting loops. rolls etc. I'll have to re cord my speeds and G forces and submit those log entrys with my request. T he sad part is going to be mailing off my current AW cert and waiting for t he new one. My plane is a Kitfox IV speedster=2C but any numbers=2C advice =2C experiance to draw from would be appreciated. Thanks Ron NB Ore N541KF _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYC B_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1




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