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1. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Lynn Matteson)
2. 08:07 AM - Re: Any Kitfox'ers going to MERFI? (n61kf)
3. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Any Kitfox'ers going to MERFI? (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Patrick Reilly)
5. 07:18 PM - Scrap 2200 Jabiru needed (Lynn Matteson)
6. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Lynn Matteson)
7. 07:19 PM - Kitfox III Flaperons (Jim Gilliatt)
8. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Patrick Reilly)
9. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Lynn Matteson)
10. 08:49 PM - Re: Re LSRM (Malcolm Brubaker)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
For some reason I thought that the 582 was pretty close to the 132
(advertised) lbs of the Jabiru, but I could be wrong. Oh,oh, I see
another engine-weight battle looming on the horizon. : )
If you don't have those little spacers, the bottom plate can be bent
by over-tightening the #10 bolts...or maybe even bend the welded-on
plate. Maybe that's where the Model 3 saved some weight...just
kidding....but that's how weight is saved. Also, I have the Grove
gear which is heavier but I wouldn't trade it for anything. I'm sure
my high number of flying hours is a direct tribute to not being in
the hangar straightening my landing gear.
I'm wondering if those light mod 3's even HAVE doors on them? That's
another thing...I have the double pin latches, AND the lower door
latch, and gas struts. Maybe I saved some weight in my paint job, as
much as I see fading and wearing off where I grab the plane to push
it around. : ) (I didn't try to save weight when it came to the Poly-
Spray, though)
Four inches over...what....16 feet? is quite a small angle, so I
don't think that's where the lack of caster angle came from.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 761.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~239 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I have the bush gear which is 4" taller. The tailwheel pivot
> bolt did not have enough castor angle. As a matter of fact it had
> alot of the wrong castor angle. I had the spring flattened
> considerably. I don't think 4" taller landing gear made all the
> difference, but maybe. I don't have those spacers in my tailwheel
> mounting. Just the plate welded to the fusalage and the bottom
> plate. I wondered about the ability of my mounting to keep the
> spring from shifting sideways at that clamping point.
> Your plane weighs 32# more than mine. You have a much heavier
> engine. I don't remember the individual main weights. It is 590 on
> the mains and 38# on the rear. I really thought I would come in
> around 590#, but my plane has everything on it and doors that have
> a heavy latch system and gas struts. I can see how I went
> overboard, and could have eliminated maybe 50#. But damn it, I
> don't see how those boys bring a mod 3 kitfox in under 500# with
> anything at all on the plane.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote:
>
> There are two spacers, one on either side of the stack of leaves,
> and there is a #10 AN bolt that goes up through a metal clamping
> plate, then through each of these spacers, and into a metal plate
> that is welded to the fuselage. They are used to keep the leaves in
> alignment. My leaves are 1-1/4" wide.
> My empty weight was 650 at the weigh-in, but probably closer to
> 660-670 by now. At weigh-in there was 43 lbs on the rear, 305 on
> one wheel and 302 on the other...funny how I can still remember
> those numbers. My extra weight on the rear undoubtedly came from
> the ribs that I built into the vertical and the rudder.
>
> You had to have the NEW springs from McBean re-arched? Why?
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 761.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~239 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn. I had to have mine rearched and didn't have the top spring
> rearched. I can have that done no problem if I decide to use it..
> What spacers are you talking about? Also what is the empty weight
> of yur plane?
>
> Pat Reilly
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kitfox'ers going to MERFI? |
Lynn, I am considering going, I'm not sure which day, may depend on weather.
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Keith Schneider
Red Stewart Airfield
Waynesville Ohio
KF IV 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kitfox'ers going to MERFI? |
I'm hoping to head out tomorrow afternoon and camp over Fri and Sat.
Hope to see you there, Keith.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 761.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~239 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
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On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:04 AM, n61kf wrote:
>
> Lynn, I am considering going, I'm not sure which day, may depend on
> weather.
>
> --------
> Keith Schneider
> Red Stewart Airfield
> Waynesville Ohio
> KF IV 912ul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262410#262410
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
Lynn, I will make a set of those spacers if I don't find them in the misc.
fasteners I have left over. I think you are wrong on the Rotax 582 weight. I
don't think it is anywhere near 132#. I have seen a weight on it but it
escapes my memory right now. Your right, the 4" taller gear can't have much
effect on the castor angle. I don't think my bush gear with 21"x12"x8" inch
tires and tubes weighs much less than your landing gear. Those tires and
tubes are heavy.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> For some reason I thought that the 582 was pretty close to the 132
> (advertised) lbs of the Jabiru, but I could be wrong. Oh,oh, I see another
> engine-weight battle looming on the horizon. : )
>
> If you don't have those little spacers, the bottom plate can be bent by
> over-tightening the #10 bolts...or maybe even bend the welded-on plate.
> Maybe that's where the Model 3 saved some weight...just kidding....but
> that's how weight is saved. Also, I have the Grove gear which is heavier but
> I wouldn't trade it for anything. I'm sure my high number of flying hours is
> a direct tribute to not being in the hangar straightening my landing gear.
>
> I'm wondering if those light mod 3's even HAVE doors on them? That's
> another thing...I have the double pin latches, AND the lower door latch, and
> gas struts. Maybe I saved some weight in my paint job, as much as I see
> fading and wearing off where I grab the plane to push it around. : ) (I
> didn't try to save weight when it came to the Poly-Spray, though)
>
> Four inches over...what....16 feet? is quite a small angle, so I don't
> think that's where the lack of caster angle came from.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 761.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~239 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, I have the bush gear which is 4" taller. The tailwheel pivot bolt
>> did not have enough castor angle. As a matter of fact it had alot of the
>> wrong castor angle. I had the spring flattened considerably. I don't think
>> 4" taller landing gear made all the difference, but maybe. I don't have
>> those spacers in my tailwheel mounting. Just the plate welded to the
>> fusalage and the bottom plate. I wondered about the ability of my mounting
>> to keep the spring from shifting sideways at that clamping point.
>> Your plane weighs 32# more than mine. You have a much heavier engine. I
>> don't remember the individual main weights. It is 590 on the mains and 38#
>> on the rear. I really thought I would come in around 590#, but my plane has
>> everything on it and doors that have a heavy latch system and gas struts. I
>> can see how I went overboard, and could have eliminated maybe 50#. But damn
>> it, I don't see how those boys bring a mod 3 kitfox in under 500# with
>> anything at all on the plane.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> There are two spacers, one on either side of the stack of leaves, and
>> there is a #10 AN bolt that goes up through a metal clamping plate, then
>> through each of these spacers, and into a metal plate that is welded to the
>> fuselage. They are used to keep the leaves in alignment. My leaves are
>> 1-1/4" wide.
>> My empty weight was 650 at the weigh-in, but probably closer to 660-670 by
>> now. At weigh-in there was 43 lbs on the rear, 305 on one wheel and 302 on
>> the other...funny how I can still remember those numbers. My extra weight on
>> the rear undoubtedly came from the ribs that I built into the vertical and
>> the rudder.
>>
>> You had to have the NEW springs from McBean re-arched? Why?
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 761.4 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~239 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>>
>> Lynn. I had to have mine rearched and didn't have the top spring rearched.
>> I can have that done no problem if I decide to use it.. What spacers are you
>> talking about? Also what is the empty weight of yur plane?
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>>
>> ubscription,
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">http://
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> ====
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Scrap 2200 Jabiru needed |
I'm going to try some things on my Jabiru 2200, and I'd like to find
a scrap engine, in any condition, to do some set-up work on. I would
need a block, cylinders, heads, oil pan, and intake pipes. Nothing
else is needed, I think. I just want to try some different intake
manifolding, so condition is unimportant....the junkier the better,
with reason. In fact, it wouldn't have to be scrap, I could turn it
into scrap for you. : )
Seriously, I just need the engine to make some measurements from and
it could be returned unharmed. I could pick it up if not TOO far
away. Let me know if anybody has something....hopefully in the US to
keep shipping/travel costs down.
The reason for wanting another engine is to keep my plane flying and
not tied up while I do some designing on a different intake manifold
system.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
It certainly SHOULD weigh less, and probably does, but somewhere I
got the notion that it was close.
Regarding the spacers, I had to grid a flat on one side of each of
mine to make them fit. The idea is to hold the sides of the leaves
close together so they won't splay out. And it's always a good idea
to lay some heavy grease between the leaves to keep them from wearing
and rusting. I noticed today that the ride is somewhat smoother with
the short (helper) spring cut shorter, but it could stand some more,
I think.
When I was working on the spring yesterday, I noticed that the
tailwheel spindle bushing was badly worn, so next week after MERFI,
I'll need to order a bushing and repair that.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I will make a set of those spacers if I don't find them in
> the misc. fasteners I have left over. I think you are wrong on the
> Rotax 582 weight. I don't think it is anywhere near 132#. I have
> seen a weight on it but it escapes my memory right now. Your right,
> the 4" taller gear can't have much effect on the castor angle. I
> don't think my bush gear with 21"x12"x8" inch tires and tubes
> weighs much less than your landing gear. Those tires and tubes are
> heavy.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox III Flaperons |
Does anyone have photos and/or manual pages pertaining to the flaperon
linkages on the Kitfox III? A friend of mine with a III is having
trouble getting the right adjustment for his flaperons.
Thanks,
Jim Gilliatt
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
Lynn, Damn! Thanks for reminding me about the grease. I had a heavy coat on
originally. But I didn't regrease them when I had the springs rearched. I
just got a bottle of some special brake slide pin and pad end stuff that is
suposed to be water resistant that I will use. I used some on the disc brake
job that I did on my van and I'd say the stuff is more like waterproof than
resistant. It is blue and looks like Naval Jelly. Feels like a jelly
lubricant, but I don't think you can washit off with any amount of water
unless under high pressure.
Our EAA chapter is having another cup race in October here in Rockford if
anyone is interested.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> It certainly SHOULD weigh less, and probably does, but somewhere I got the
> notion that it was close.
> Regarding the spacers, I had to grid a flat on one side of each of mine to
> make them fit. The idea is to hold the sides of the leaves close together so
> they won't splay out. And it's always a good idea to lay some heavy grease
> between the leaves to keep them from wearing and rusting. I noticed today
> that the ride is somewhat smoother with the short (helper) spring cut
> shorter, but it could stand some more, I think.
>
> When I was working on the spring yesterday, I noticed that the tailwheel
> spindle bushing was badly worn, so next week after MERFI, I'll need to order
> a bushing and repair that.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, I will make a set of those spacers if I don't find them in the misc.
>> fasteners I have left over. I think you are wrong on the Rotax 582 weight. I
>> don't think it is anywhere near 132#. I have seen a weight on it but it
>> escapes my memory right now. Your right, the 4" taller gear can't have much
>> effect on the castor angle. I don't think my bush gear with 21"x12"x8" inch
>> tires and tubes weighs much less than your landing gear. Those tires and
>> tubes are heavy.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
Remind us again as it gets closer, Pat, along with details about the
length of the race, etc.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Damn! Thanks for reminding me about the grease. I had a heavy
> coat on originally. But I didn't regrease them when I had the
> springs rearched. I just got a bottle of some special brake slide
> pin and pad end stuff that is suposed to be water resistant that I
> will use. I used some on the disc brake job that I did on my van
> and I'd say the stuff is more like waterproof than resistant. It is
> blue and looks like Naval Jelly. Feels like a jelly lubricant, but
> I don't think you can washit off with any amount of water unless
> under high pressure.
> Our EAA chapter is having another cup race in October here in
> Rockford if anyone is interested.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
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has anyone ordered a kit fox special LSA- from kitfox yet?
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane soluti
on
you also have a 912.- the extra power you have masks the fact that the fl
oats are not in the proper position.- The fact that you have to push the
nose over proves that the step is not in the correct spot.- If the floats
are set up right, you give it full up and full power at the same time, as
the nose rises, you relax to neutral stick as she falls over on its own ont
o step.- you then make small corrections to keep it on the sweet spot.
--------
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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