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1. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Patrick Reilly)
2. 08:58 AM - Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Hfirm)
3. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 (Lynn Matteson)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Lynn Matteson)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Scrap 2200 Jabiru needed (Lynn Matteson)
6. 09:57 AM - Rib-to-Spar filets (John Reinking)
7. 11:41 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Larry Huntley)
8. 11:46 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (fox5flyer)
9. 12:20 PM - Re: Rib-to-Spar filets (Lowell Fitt)
10. 01:23 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (cde2fly@aol.com)
11. 05:28 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Hfirm)
12. 05:47 PM - Re: Rib-to-Spar filets (Gary)
13. 06:49 PM - Re: Rib-to-Spar filets (carlisle)
14. 08:11 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Jim Crowder)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
Lynn, I will get details. We use 3 different length courses to accomidate
any speed plane, race is sprint race. It lasts abbout 1/2 hour.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Remind us again as it gets closer, Pat, along with details about the length
> of the race, etc.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, Damn! Thanks for reminding me about the grease. I had a heavy coat on
>> originally. But I didn't regrease them when I had the springs rearched. I
>> just got a bottle of some special brake slide pin and pad end stuff that is
>> suposed to be water resistant that I will use. I used some on the disc brake
>> job that I did on my van and I'd say the stuff is more like waterproof than
>> resistant. It is blue and looks like Naval Jelly. Feels like a jelly
>> lubricant, but I don't think you can washit off with any amount of water
>> unless under high pressure.
>> Our EAA chapter is having another cup race in October here in Rockford if
>> anyone is interested.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly the purple
monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get his -4 in the air...we
did a first flight last week....this plane had a landing incident and was converted
to nosewheel.....a few flights on it now and everything is going nice...
I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B but, the module
that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the spark through to the
plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B is blocking half. We have to have
both ignitions on or it will only run on 2 cylinders. These modules seem to
be solid epoxy and no way to open....Anything come up like this before? And
while on the subject? Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him?
I hope he's doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/09 |
Thanks, Pat.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I will get details. We use 3 different length courses to
> accomidate any speed plane, race is sprint race. It lasts abbout
> 1/2 hour.
> Pat Reilly
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote:
>
> Remind us again as it gets closer, Pat, along with details about
> the length of the race, etc.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, Damn! Thanks for reminding me about the grease. I had a heavy
> coat on originally. But I didn't regrease them when I had the
> springs rearched. I just got a bottle of some special brake slide
> pin and pad end stuff that is suposed to be water resistant that I
> will use. I used some on the disc brake job that I did on my van
> and I'd say the stuff is more like waterproof than resistant. It is
> blue and looks like Naval Jelly. Feels like a jelly lubricant, but
> I don't think you can washit off with any amount of water unless
> under high pressure.
> Our EAA chapter is having another cup race in October here in
> Rockford if anyone is interested.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
Hi Howard-
I surely remember you as the first one on this list to help me out
with the reamers I needed to get started...thanks again, and holler
if I can help. Unfortunately,I know "zip" about Rotax ignition. : (
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Hfirm wrote:
>
> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to
> fly the purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend
> get his -4 in the air...we did a first flight last week....this
> plane had a landing incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a
> few flights on it now and everything is going nice...
> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B
> but, the module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of
> the spark through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and
> module B is blocking half. We have to have both ignitions on or it
> will only run on 2 cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy
> and no way to open....Anything come up like this before? And while
> on the subject? Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear
> from him? I hope he's doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I
> have a lot of time behind them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again
> after so many years..
> Howard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scrap 2200 Jabiru needed |
I was just reminded that I should have requested a later model engine
to use as a mock-up...at least one with similar heads to mine so that
I wouldn't go and build something that might not fit my engine when I
went to bolt it on...duh!
I want to see if I can make a different intake manifold system...one
that will more centrally mount the Rotec TBI that I have, and get
more even fuel/air distribution. I would have to tie my own plane up
for a week or so in order to make the necessary parts, and it would
be a whole lot simpler to do it if I had another dummy engine to
measure and test fit parts on. That's why it isn't necessary for it
to be a complete engine, just so it is complete enough to have block,
cylinders, heads, intake tubes, and oil pan. I could then have the
dummy engine on my work bench, and it'd make fitting the experimental
parts a whole lot easier. What I have in mind is an updraft manifold.
Once the building and the fitting of the parts is done, I would
return the engine unharmed.
I'll be heading out for the Mid-Eastern Regional Fly-In at Urbana,
Ohio in a little while so I won't be able to see my email until
Sunday late.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> I'm going to try some things on my Jabiru 2200, and I'd like to
> find a scrap engine, in any condition, to do some set-up work on. I
> would need a block, cylinders, heads, oil pan, and intake pipes.
> Nothing else is needed, I think. I just want to try some different
> intake manifolding, so condition is unimportant....the junkier the
> better, with reason. In fact, it wouldn't have to be scrap, I could
> turn it into scrap for you. : )
>
> Seriously, I just need the engine to make some measurements from
> and it could be returned unharmed. I could pick it up if not TOO
> far away. Let me know if anybody has something....hopefully in the
> US to keep shipping/travel costs down.
>
> The reason for wanting another engine is to keep my plane flying
> and not tied up while I do some designing on a different intake
> manifold system.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 762.9 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~237 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Rib-to-Spar filets |
Good morning, everyone. Can any of you recommend any books, or
opinion, for epoxi'ing the joints for the ribs to front/rear spars
and what size of filets need to be worked in? Some of the pictures
I've seen look like the epoxy is left in whatever manner it was
applied. I want to make nice clean filets but don't know how large
to make them. 'Preciate it. John Reinking/Woodinville, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
Hi Howard,
Good to hear from you. What are you flying now? Is it purple? Miss seeing
you on the list. Larry Huntley, Dundee,NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hfirm" <zarpheous21@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
>
> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly the
> purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get his -4 in
> the air...we did a first flight last week....this plane had a landing
> incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a few flights on it now and
> everything is going nice...
> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B but, the
> module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the spark
> through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B is blocking
> half. We have to have both ignitions on or it will only run on 2
> cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy and no way to
> open....Anything come up like this before? And while on the subject? Where
> did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him? I hope he's doing
> well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
> them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
> Howard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
Welcome back, Howard. Good to hear from you.
First, Lance is gone. Sort of a "forced retirement" and the company has
reverted to its parent company, now called Maxwell Propulsion Service (MPS).
Assuming you have the stock NSI package with no modifications, it sounds
like you have the isolation modules miswired. Do you have the schematic for
it? If you don't, let me know and I'll see if I can find mine and get a
copy off to you.
Regards,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hfirm" <zarpheous21@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
>
> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly the
> purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get his -4 in
> the air...we did a first flight last week....this plane had a landing
> incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a few flights on it now and
> everything is going nice...
> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B but, the
> module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the spark
> through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B is blocking
> half. We have to have both ignitions on or it will only run on 2
> cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy and no way to
> open....Anything come up like this before? And while on the subject? Where
> did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him? I hope he's doing
> well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
> them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
> Howard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib-to-Spar filets |
Hi John,
I built in 1993 and am building again from a kit started in 1992. The guy
that built my present wings used the epoxy so that the fillets are between
1/4 and 3/8" inch radius. I am happy with that. In the old days when we
were using the 3M structural adhesive, we wet a finger and formed the
fillet. Keep in mind that the epoxy might be a bit thin with a tendency to
run, so use the cotton flox until it is stiff enough to ramain in place. On
one of my old applications, I didn't use enough flox so had to run out into
the garage every thirty minutes or so and clean up the sags. If finally set
OK and the fillets were smooth throughout.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Reinking" <reinkings@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rib-to-Spar filets
>
> Good morning, everyone. Can any of you recommend any books, or
> opinion, for epoxi'ing the joints for the ribs to front/rear spars and
> what size of filets need to be worked in? Some of the pictures I've
> seen look like the epoxy is left in whatever manner it was applied. I
> want to make nice clean filets but don't know how large to make them.
> 'Preciate it. John Reinking/Woodinville, WA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
Howard - I'm not sure it you're referring to a Rotax or an NSI on the ignition
issues.? If it's a 912/912S, I had a similar problem after I removed one of the
ignition pickups from the back side of the engine.? When I reinstalled it, I
had a washer in the wrong spot and it was enough to cause one side of the ignition
not to fire.? If the engine in question is a Rotax and you need more info
on this, let me know....I learned way more about?the 912?ignition system than
I intended!
-----Original Message-----
From: Hfirm <zarpheous21@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 11:55 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly the purple
monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get his -4 in the air...we
did a first flight last week....this plane had a landing incident and was
converted to nosewheel.....a few flights on it now and everything is going
nice...
I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B but, the
module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the spark through to
the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B is blocking half. We have to
have both ignitions on or it will only run on 2 cylinders. These modules seem to
be solid epoxy and no way to open....Anything come up like this before? And
while on the subject? Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him?
I hope he's doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
Howard
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
It is a stock NSI ignition...A schematic would be great!
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| Subject: | Re: Rib-to-Spar filets |
I stuck my wing bits together last winter.
It's probably the biggest epoxy job of your life so a little planning will guarantee
good results. Start in the morning, use bright work lights, do it alone
(unless your helper is an expert). The best book on the subject is the kitfox
wing manual. The only problems I had was running out of latex gloves and 2
oz. syringes. I cut back the bristles of a 1/2" epoxy brush and brushed a band
on the spars and slid the ribs over top. You will encounter areas where the
tip of the syringe doesn't reach so you'll have to push the epoxy into place
with whatever finger works best. I dipped my finger into a cup of slightly
soapy water to keep the epoxy from sticking. When your hands get mucked up...change
gloves! Other essentials for me were; a box of tongue depressors, paper
mixing cups, alcohol and paper towel to clean off excess epoxy and an organic
vapor mask. Hope this helps you.
--------
Gary Del Bel Belluz
Toronto, IV / 912UL
Just getting started
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| Subject: | Re: Rib-to-Spar filets |
Built my model II in '91 and was a little confused about this subject. By shear
chance, I happened to visit the Kitfox booth @ Oshkosh that year and they had
a half-built wing on display. The fillets on it were twice as wide as the few
I'd done @ the time...probably a good inch across.
So, I went home and ordered some more of the 3M structural adhesive and cotton
flox and made them all that wide. They still look good today as if I'd just put
them on yesterday.
Chris
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| Subject: | Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
Howard,
I at one time had that same engine and had a failure with one of the
modules. I successfully rebuilt the module and replaced the solid epoxy. I
took some pictures of the operation to give to the individual who bought the
engine. I am replacing that engine with a Jabiru 3300. I came across the
pictures a few weeks ago while purging my files. If you like I will try to
find them again and attach them to an email to you. I am on the road
currently traveling through North Carolina with my wife and another couple
but have had internet connections at night. Rebuilding was much easier than
I expected.
Jim Crowder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hfirm
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> questions..
>
>
> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly
> the purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get his
> -4 in the air...we did a first flight last week....this plane had a
> landing incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a few flights on it
> now and everything is going nice...
> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B but,
> the module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the
> spark through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B is
> blocking half. We have to have both ignitions on or it will only run on
> 2 cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy and no way to
> open....Anything come up like this before? And while on the subject?
> Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him? I hope he's
> doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
> them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
> Howard
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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