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     1. 04:43 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit (Av8r3400)
     2. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat (Lynn Matteson)
     3. 07:20 AM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor (paul wilson)
     4. 10:13 AM - Gap Seal Tape (akflyerbob)
     5. 11:16 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/09 (Ed Gray)
     6. 11:35 AM - Re: Experimental Light Sport (Bob Brennan)
     7. 11:45 AM - Re: Registration problems (Weiss Richard)
     8. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Registration problems (Bob Brennan)
     9. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/09 (jdmcbean)
    10. 04:26 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor (John Reinking)
    11. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Registration problems (ron schick)
    12. 06:11 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Hfirm)
    13. 06:15 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Hfirm)
    14. 06:57 PM - Re: Gap Seal Tape (Patrick Reilly)
    15. 09:57 PM - Decals (yodaone)
    16. 11:24 PM - how to fly a kitfox (eric hendriks)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox IV cockpit | 
      
      
      
      sourdostan(at)aol.com wrote:
      > Thanks, Av8r3400, for the information.  However, could you and others on the
      list please tell us  your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where
      you're located.  I think this would make the list much more interesting for many
      of us. 
      >  --
      
      
      Some people (like me) just aren't comfortable putting too much personal information
      on the public portions of the WWW .  Maybe I'm just paranoid.  [Shocked]
      
      Stan, my name is Larry, I think that my wife and I met you this year at Airventure.
      I was looking at your Columbine for ideas on my IV-1200 restoration.  I'd
      send you a PM with my personal contact info, but you aren't registered for that...
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
      Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263102#263102
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat | 
      
      
      I was talking to a guy at MERFI the other day and he also bought some  
      14" wide stuff...clear...and I thought he said it was from Maule. You  
      might try them.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 768.4 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~232 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:26 PM, akflyerbob wrote:
      
      > <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      >
      > Pat, I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      > my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      > However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      > Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought
      > 16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      > By the way, got the tires.
      > Bob
      >
      > --------
      > Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      > KF Mod I and III
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Using small notebook to drive small external   monitor | 
      
      
      Do it the simple way and buy a USB plug in GPS for a notebook. Both 
      work fine and are reasonably priced. One thing to remember is If you 
      laptop has a hard drive vs flash memory it will be pretty easy to 
      destroy the HD. causes are head to disk clearances reduced due to 
      altitude and vibration both causing HD crash. The best setup I have 
      seen was a very inexpensive laptop wrapped in foam padding and 
      stuffed under the seat, then the guy had a modest sized LCD display 
      that he mounted on the panel. I thought he was taking risk for the HD 
      , but he said he had no issues yet.
      The main issue is will the USB GPS have the features you desire?
      Paul
      ========
      At 03:12 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
      >
      >Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small
      >external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd
      >players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be
      >used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any
      >thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville, WA
      >
      >
      
      
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      OK I found this posted 02-sept-07 by oscardog
      Tognar.com
      click on Travel bags & Packs
      Click on Skuff Saver Tape
                  #TYC 7210
                    14" wide sold by ft
      I called them, its still in stock
      
      Bob
      
      --------
      Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      KF Mod I and III
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263158#263158
      
      
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| Subject:  | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/09 | 
      
      
      I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
      registration.  My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
      bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990.  I have
      told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
      application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft".  The plane
      meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA?  Who here is "in the
      know". 
      
      Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
      compression springs.  Do not archive
      
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      Today's Message Index:
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           1. 02:56 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Michael Logan)
           2. 05:50 AM - Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
           3. 07:19 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Pete Christensen)
           4. 10:21 AM - Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (akflyer)
           5. 11:59 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (beberle)
           6. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Av8r3400)
           7. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
      (fox5flyer)
           8. 02:47 PM - Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (John Reinking)
           9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
          10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (sourdostan@aol.com)
          11. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Lynn Matteson)
          12. 06:05 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (wingnut)
          13. 08:30 PM - Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat  (akflyerbob)
          14. 08:54 PM - Re: Kitfox Factory Fly-in  ()
          15. 11:46 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (Michel Verheughe)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 1
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:56:12 AM PST US
      From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      The secret is for a tall person to fly with a short person, then your
      shoulders do not get in each others way. :^)
      
      Mike Logan 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:04 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      At 06:17 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
      >So, I would say it is a little too
      >tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      Paul,
               This made me laugh, because I remembered my first flight in 
      a Kitfox. Our own Lowell Fitt was gracious enough to offer his 
      aircraft and flight instructor to me, a stranger, for an introductory 
      flight. (Thanks again Lowell. It proved to be the start of more than 
      one great friendship.) I'm about 6' and weighed about 200#. The 
      instructor weighted about 225#. It was no problem for Lowell's Fox 
      with the 912, but our comfort level was pretty low. I think we flew 
      with left shoulders back and right shoulders forward. That said I 
      know many who fly very long distances with two in their IV. (Steve 
      Kellender just flew with a passenger from Phoenix to Homedale and back.)
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 2
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 05:50:00 AM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Does anybody know the calibration method for the Northstar F210? I  
      can't locate my instruction manual.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 3
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 07:19:25 AM PST US
      From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I weigh 220 and my son in law weighs 208.  We fit tightly in my III with 
      bubble doors.
      
      Pete
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
      Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:17 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      > <paul@eucleides.com>
      >
      > On Sun, September 13, 2009 5:17 pm, beberle wrote:
      >
      >> How wide is a Kitfox IV cockpit?  Searched in vain on the web for 
      >> dimensions.  I sat
      >> in the Aerotek/Eurofox demo at Oshkosh, pretty comfy cabin at 44". Not 
      >> sure I could
      >> fit comfortably in much smaller...
      >
      > 11 years ago, the late Miguel Ramirez and I attempted to fly together in 
      > his KF IV.
      > While we could twist our bodies a little for shoulder room we could not 
      > both be seated
      > and have ample clearance for the control sticks. So, I would say it is a 
      > little too
      > tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      > -- 
      > Paul A. Franz
      > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      > Bellevue WA 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 4
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into the
      manual.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1450
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 5
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:59:28 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "beberle" <beberle1@bellsouth.net>
      
      
      Thanks for the info! Wish I had a kit to run out to the garage to measure
      :D
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262992#262992
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 6
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 7
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:27:22 PM PST US
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      questions..
      
      Howard, I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know if you 
      can read it OK.  If not, I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      Deke
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI 
      questions..
      
      
      >
      > Give me a few days, Howard.  I'm away from home and as soon as I return 
      > I'll take care of it.
      > I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
      > Deke Morisse
      > Mikado Michigan
      > S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
      > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
      > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
      > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
      
      ________________________________  Message 8
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:47:45 PM PST US
      From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd  
      players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be  
      used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any  
      thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville, WA
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 9
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Thanks, Snake....I finally figured out that downloading the manual,  
      making 6 copies and nailing one each to the interior walls, ceiling  
      and floor of my hangar was the only way to insure that one would be  
      handy when I needed it...well, maybe THAT'S a bit of a stretch, but  
      you get the idea.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 PM, akflyer wrote:
      
      >
      > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      >
      > have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into  
      > the manual.
      >
      > --------
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      > Soldotna AK
      > Avid "C" / Mk IV
      > 582 IVO IFA
      > Full Lotus 1450
      > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      >
      > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      >
      >
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 10
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:19:38 PM PST US
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: sourdostan@aol.com
      
      Thanks,?Av8r3400, for the information.  However, could you and others on the
      list
      please tell us?
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're located.  I
      think
      this would make the list much more interesting for many of us.?
      
      
      Thanks,?
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      Denver, Colorado
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster?
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional 
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 11
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      Amen!    (  do not archive   )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, sourdostan@aol.com wrote:
      
      > Thanks, Av8r3400, for the information. However, could you and  
      > others on the list please tell us
      > your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're  
      > located. I think this would make the list much more interesting for  
      > many of us.
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Stan Specht
      > Denver, Colorado
      > Kitfox Model IV Speedster
      > 912ul (1570+ hours)
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      > <theav8rweb@yahoo.com> I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is  
      > doing my transition training with me is 6' and 190#. We are not  
      > uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors. It's cozy, but  
      > not uncomfortable. Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it  
      > is functional with two "real" adults in it. Much better than a  
      > C150, IMO. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 912UL IVO- 
      > IFA Grove Gear Read this topic online here: http:// 
      > forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      > www.matronics.com/contribution _- 
      > ==========================================================
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 12
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 06:05:57 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
      
      
      Portable devices don't usually use any kind of standard interface to talk to
      its
      own internal display so you can't just tap into it and route it to an
      external
      display. The maker of the device must build in extra circuitry to produce
      some
      kind of standard external signal output. It would be an extra cost for a
      feature
      that most people wouldn't use so they don't usually bother. I took a look
      at the specifications for the Lowrance 500 and it doesn't mention anything
      like that so I think you're out of luck.
      
      --------
      Luis Rodriguez
      Model IV 1200
      Rotax 912UL
      Flying Weekly
      Laurens, SC (34A)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263061#263061
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 13
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:30:07 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat
      From: "akflyerbob" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      
      
      Pat, I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought 
      16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      By the way, got the tires.
      Bob
      
      --------
      Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      KF Mod I and III
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 14
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:54:49 PM PST US
      From: <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Factory Fly-in
      
      Kitfox Factory Fly-in =93 SUCCESS
      Celebrating 25 years of Kitfox !!
      
      Thank you to all that helped make the Kitfox Fly-in 2009 a great success 
      !!
      Over 35 aircraft and almost 100 people descended on S66
      
      We have the best kit aircraft in our class and it follows with the class 
      of the individuals that choose to make the Kitfox their aircraft of 
      choice.  With almost 5000 kits sold worldwide, it is very exciting when 
      one gets the opportunity to view one of the earliest Kitfox=99s, 
      N85DD, to the latest kit,  the S7 Super Sport and the latest development 
      the Kitfox S-LSA joined by Dan Denney and his =9CSpecial 
      Effects=9D at the same time in one place.   Followed by the 
      individuals that offer their time and expertise to aid a fellow Kitfoxer 
      get back in the air quickly when misfortune strikes.  We had 
      Kitfox=99s fly-in from Southern California, Washington, Utah, 
      Colorado, Arizona and as far as Austin Texas. All are home safe.  
      
      Local area flights to the Owyhees were abundant and flights into Smiley 
      Creek and Sulpher Creek are trips not to be missed. The smoked bbq food 
      was great, the live music a pleasure and most important the Kitfox 
      family had a great time 
      
      Great Fun!!	Great Food !!	Great Flying !!
      
      Debra & I thank you for taking the time to join us in celebrating 25 
      years of Kitfox !!
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 15
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:46:20 PM PST US
      From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      
      > From: John Reinking [reinkings@comcast.net]
      > Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      > external monitor
      
      In a perfect world, it could, John. But not in this one.
      I collaborate to the PocketFMS software which gives a moving map and flight
      planner
      on small devices like PocketPC and carNav with GPS. It's hell! Each device
      has its own way to do things, own operative sytem, Windows Mobile, Windows
      CE,
      etc. Everyone is trying to get all the others to adopt their standard, they
      want to be the new rulers of the world. Even here, in Norway, they have
      started
      with a pocket TV. It works on a system that is only used by three providers,
      here in Norway. You can't use it anywhere else in the world. Needless to
      say;
      I am not buying that stuff.
      
      Years ago, I asked a good friend who is also the director for JVC Norway why
      the
      hi-fi industry can't get around to standard types of cables. He answered:
      Well,
      we make money selling hi-fi equimpment but we also like to make money
      selling
      cables.
      
      Cheers,
      Miche Verheughe
      Norway
      Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
      Do not archive
      
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      Ed,
      
      Has the plane ever been registered (N-number) or had an Airworthiness
      Certificate? Has it ever flown?
      
      Bob Brennan - N717GB
      ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
      1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
      Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
      Wrightsville Pa
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Gray
      Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:56 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/09
      
      
      I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
      registration.  My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
      bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990.  I have
      told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
      application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft".  The plane
      meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA?  Who here is "in the
      know". 
      
      Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
      compression springs.  Do not archive
      
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           1. 02:56 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Michael Logan)
           2. 05:50 AM - Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
           3. 07:19 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Pete Christensen)
           4. 10:21 AM - Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (akflyer)
           5. 11:59 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (beberle)
           6. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Av8r3400)
           7. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
      (fox5flyer)
           8. 02:47 PM - Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (John Reinking)
           9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
          10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (sourdostan@aol.com)
          11. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Lynn Matteson)
          12. 06:05 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (wingnut)
          13. 08:30 PM - Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat  (akflyerbob)
          14. 08:54 PM - Re: Kitfox Factory Fly-in  ()
          15. 11:46 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (Michel Verheughe)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 1
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:56:12 AM PST US
      From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      The secret is for a tall person to fly with a short person, then your
      shoulders do not get in each others way. :^)
      
      Mike Logan 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:04 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      At 06:17 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
      >So, I would say it is a little too
      >tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      Paul,
               This made me laugh, because I remembered my first flight in 
      a Kitfox. Our own Lowell Fitt was gracious enough to offer his 
      aircraft and flight instructor to me, a stranger, for an introductory 
      flight. (Thanks again Lowell. It proved to be the start of more than 
      one great friendship.) I'm about 6' and weighed about 200#. The 
      instructor weighted about 225#. It was no problem for Lowell's Fox 
      with the 912, but our comfort level was pretty low. I think we flew 
      with left shoulders back and right shoulders forward. That said I 
      know many who fly very long distances with two in their IV. (Steve 
      Kellender just flew with a passenger from Phoenix to Homedale and back.)
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 2
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 05:50:00 AM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Does anybody know the calibration method for the Northstar F210? I  
      can't locate my instruction manual.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 3
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 07:19:25 AM PST US
      From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I weigh 220 and my son in law weighs 208.  We fit tightly in my III with 
      bubble doors.
      
      Pete
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
      Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:17 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      > <paul@eucleides.com>
      >
      > On Sun, September 13, 2009 5:17 pm, beberle wrote:
      >
      >> How wide is a Kitfox IV cockpit?  Searched in vain on the web for 
      >> dimensions.  I sat
      >> in the Aerotek/Eurofox demo at Oshkosh, pretty comfy cabin at 44". Not 
      >> sure I could
      >> fit comfortably in much smaller...
      >
      > 11 years ago, the late Miguel Ramirez and I attempted to fly together in 
      > his KF IV.
      > While we could twist our bodies a little for shoulder room we could not 
      > both be seated
      > and have ample clearance for the control sticks. So, I would say it is a 
      > little too
      > tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      > -- 
      > Paul A. Franz
      > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      > Bellevue WA 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 4
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into the
      manual.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1450
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 5
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:59:28 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "beberle" <beberle1@bellsouth.net>
      
      
      Thanks for the info! Wish I had a kit to run out to the garage to measure
      :D
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262992#262992
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 6
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 7
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:27:22 PM PST US
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      questions..
      
      Howard, I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know if you 
      can read it OK.  If not, I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      Deke
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI 
      questions..
      
      
      >
      > Give me a few days, Howard.  I'm away from home and as soon as I return 
      > I'll take care of it.
      > I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
      > Deke Morisse
      > Mikado Michigan
      > S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
      > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
      > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
      > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
      
      ________________________________  Message 8
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:47:45 PM PST US
      From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd  
      players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be  
      used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any  
      thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville, WA
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 9
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Thanks, Snake....I finally figured out that downloading the manual,  
      making 6 copies and nailing one each to the interior walls, ceiling  
      and floor of my hangar was the only way to insure that one would be  
      handy when I needed it...well, maybe THAT'S a bit of a stretch, but  
      you get the idea.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 PM, akflyer wrote:
      
      >
      > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      >
      > have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into  
      > the manual.
      >
      > --------
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      > Soldotna AK
      > Avid "C" / Mk IV
      > 582 IVO IFA
      > Full Lotus 1450
      > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      >
      > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      >
      >
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 10
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:19:38 PM PST US
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: sourdostan@aol.com
      
      Thanks,?Av8r3400, for the information.  However, could you and others on the
      list
      please tell us?
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're located.  I
      think
      this would make the list much more interesting for many of us.?
      
      
      Thanks,?
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      Denver, Colorado
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster?
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional 
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 11
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      Amen!    (  do not archive   )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, sourdostan@aol.com wrote:
      
      > Thanks, Av8r3400, for the information. However, could you and  
      > others on the list please tell us
      > your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're  
      > located. I think this would make the list much more interesting for  
      > many of us.
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Stan Specht
      > Denver, Colorado
      > Kitfox Model IV Speedster
      > 912ul (1570+ hours)
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      > <theav8rweb@yahoo.com> I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is  
      > doing my transition training with me is 6' and 190#. We are not  
      > uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors. It's cozy, but  
      > not uncomfortable. Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it  
      > is functional with two "real" adults in it. Much better than a  
      > C150, IMO. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 912UL IVO- 
      > IFA Grove Gear Read this topic online here: http:// 
      > forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      > www.matronics.com/contribution _- 
      > ==========================================================
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 12
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 06:05:57 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
      
      
      Portable devices don't usually use any kind of standard interface to talk to
      its
      own internal display so you can't just tap into it and route it to an
      external
      display. The maker of the device must build in extra circuitry to produce
      some
      kind of standard external signal output. It would be an extra cost for a
      feature
      that most people wouldn't use so they don't usually bother. I took a look
      at the specifications for the Lowrance 500 and it doesn't mention anything
      like that so I think you're out of luck.
      
      --------
      Luis Rodriguez
      Model IV 1200
      Rotax 912UL
      Flying Weekly
      Laurens, SC (34A)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263061#263061
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 13
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:30:07 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat
      From: "akflyerbob" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      
      
      Pat, I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought 
      16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      By the way, got the tires.
      Bob
      
      --------
      Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      KF Mod I and III
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 14
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:54:49 PM PST US
      From: <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Factory Fly-in
      
      Kitfox Factory Fly-in =93 SUCCESS
      Celebrating 25 years of Kitfox !!
      
      Thank you to all that helped make the Kitfox Fly-in 2009 a great success 
      !!
      Over 35 aircraft and almost 100 people descended on S66
      
      We have the best kit aircraft in our class and it follows with the class 
      of the individuals that choose to make the Kitfox their aircraft of 
      choice.  With almost 5000 kits sold worldwide, it is very exciting when 
      one gets the opportunity to view one of the earliest Kitfox=99s, 
      N85DD, to the latest kit,  the S7 Super Sport and the latest development 
      the Kitfox S-LSA joined by Dan Denney and his =9CSpecial 
      Effects=9D at the same time in one place.   Followed by the 
      individuals that offer their time and expertise to aid a fellow Kitfoxer 
      get back in the air quickly when misfortune strikes.  We had 
      Kitfox=99s fly-in from Southern California, Washington, Utah, 
      Colorado, Arizona and as far as Austin Texas. All are home safe.  
      
      Local area flights to the Owyhees were abundant and flights into Smiley 
      Creek and Sulpher Creek are trips not to be missed. The smoked bbq food 
      was great, the live music a pleasure and most important the Kitfox 
      family had a great time 
      
      Great Fun!!	Great Food !!	Great Flying !!
      
      Debra & I thank you for taking the time to join us in celebrating 25 
      years of Kitfox !!
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 15
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:46:20 PM PST US
      From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      
      > From: John Reinking [reinkings@comcast.net]
      > Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      > external monitor
      
      In a perfect world, it could, John. But not in this one.
      I collaborate to the PocketFMS software which gives a moving map and flight
      planner
      on small devices like PocketPC and carNav with GPS. It's hell! Each device
      has its own way to do things, own operative sytem, Windows Mobile, Windows
      CE,
      etc. Everyone is trying to get all the others to adopt their standard, they
      want to be the new rulers of the world. Even here, in Norway, they have
      started
      with a pocket TV. It works on a system that is only used by three providers,
      here in Norway. You can't use it anywhere else in the world. Needless to
      say;
      I am not buying that stuff.
      
      Years ago, I asked a good friend who is also the director for JVC Norway why
      the
      hi-fi industry can't get around to standard types of cables. He answered:
      Well,
      we make money selling hi-fi equimpment but we also like to make money
      selling
      cables.
      
      Cheers,
      Miche Verheughe
      Norway
      Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
      Do not archive
      
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      Ed,
      
      I'm not sure I completely understand your paperwork problem.  Are you  
      dealing with a DAR who has inspected the plane and is going to provide  
      your operating specifications?  Or are you referring to the  
      registration for the N number?  Is the DAR an FAA person or a  
      designee?  I'm just trying to get a better understanding of where you  
      are in the process.
      
      TO answer your question, although I'm not 100% certain, this is my  
      understanding of the rules; your aircraft will be registered as an  
      Experimental - Amateur Built (E-AB).  You can't register it as a light  
      sport, since it has been previously registered as E-AB. However, you  
      may operate it under the light sport aircraft rules provided it meets  
      the criteria for LSA as you say it does (weight, engine, prop, etc.)   
      I believe that is what you after anyway.
      
      I just went through the process last year and that is how my paperwork  
      was completed.  I'm sure if I erred, someone on the list will let us  
      know.
      
      Happy flying!
      
      Rick Weiss
      N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
      SkyStar S/N 1
      Port Orange, FL
      
      
      On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
      
      >
      > I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
      > registration.  My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't  
      > have the
      > bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990.  I  
      > have
      > told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport"  
      > but the
      > application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft".  The  
      > plane
      > meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA?  Who here is  
      > "in the
      > know".
      >
      > Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring  
      > and Maule
      > compression springs.  Do not archive
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
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      > Digest Server
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      >
      >
      > Today's Message Index:
      > ----------------------
      >
      >     1. 02:56 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Michael Logan)
      >     2. 05:50 AM - Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
      >     3. 07:19 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Pete Christensen)
      >     4. 10:21 AM - Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (akflyer)
      >     5. 11:59 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (beberle)
      >     6. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Av8r3400)
      >     7. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI  
      > questions..
      > (fox5flyer)
      >     8. 02:47 PM - Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      > (John Reinking)
      >     9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn  
      > Matteson)
      >    10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (sourdostan@aol.com)
      >    11. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Lynn Matteson)
      >    12. 06:05 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external  
      > monitor
      > (wingnut)
      >    13. 08:30 PM - Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat  (akflyerbob)
      >    14. 08:54 PM - Re: Kitfox Factory Fly-in  ()
      >    15. 11:46 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external  
      > monitor
      > (Michel Verheughe)
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 1
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 02:56:12 AM PST US
      > From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      >
      > The secret is for a tall person to fly with a short person, then your
      > shoulders do not get in each others way. :^)
      >
      > Mike Logan
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy  
      > Buchanan
      > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:04 AM
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      >
      > At 06:17 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
      >> So, I would say it is a little too
      >> tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      >
      > Paul,
      >         This made me laugh, because I remembered my first flight in
      > a Kitfox. Our own Lowell Fitt was gracious enough to offer his
      > aircraft and flight instructor to me, a stranger, for an introductory
      > flight. (Thanks again Lowell. It proved to be the start of more than
      > one great friendship.) I'm about 6' and weighed about 200#. The
      > instructor weighted about 225#. It was no problem for Lowell's Fox
      > with the 912, but our comfort level was pretty low. I think we flew
      > with left shoulders back and right shoulders forward. That said I
      > know many who fly very long distances with two in their IV. (Steve
      > Kellender just flew with a passenger from Phoenix to Homedale and  
      > back.)
      >
      >
      > Guy Buchanan
      > San Diego, CA
      > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 2
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 05:50:00 AM PST US
      > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help with Northstar F210
      >
      >
      > Does anybody know the calibration method for the Northstar F210? I
      > can't locate my instruction manual.
      >
      > Lynn Matteson
      > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      > Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      > Rotec TBI-40 injection
      > Status: flying
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 3
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 07:19:25 AM PST US
      > From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      >
      > I weigh 220 and my son in law weighs 208.  We fit tightly in my III  
      > with
      > bubble doors.
      >
      > Pete
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:17 PM
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      >
      >> <paul@eucleides.com>
      >>
      >> On Sun, September 13, 2009 5:17 pm, beberle wrote:
      >>
      >>> How wide is a Kitfox IV cockpit?  Searched in vain on the web for
      >>> dimensions.  I sat
      >>> in the Aerotek/Eurofox demo at Oshkosh, pretty comfy cabin at 44".  
      >>> Not
      >>> sure I could
      >>> fit comfortably in much smaller...
      >>
      >> 11 years ago, the late Miguel Ramirez and I attempted to fly  
      >> together in
      >> his KF IV.
      >> While we could twist our bodies a little for shoulder room we could  
      >> not
      >> both be seated
      >> and have ample clearance for the control sticks. So, I would say it  
      >> is a
      >> little too
      >> tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      >> -- 
      >> Paul A. Franz
      >> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      >> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      >> Bellevue WA
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 4
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      > From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      >
      >
      > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      >
      > have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into  
      > the
      > manual.
      >
      > --------
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      > Soldotna AK
      > Avid "C" / Mk IV
      > 582 IVO IFA
      > Full Lotus 1450
      > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      >
      > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 5
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 11:59:28 AM PST US
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      > From: "beberle" <beberle1@bellsouth.net>
      >
      >
      > Thanks for the info! Wish I had a kit to run out to the garage to  
      > measure
      > :D
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262992#262992
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 6
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      > From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      >
      >
      > I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training  
      > with me
      > is
      > 6' and 190#.
      >
      > We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's  
      > cozy, but
      > not
      > uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      > functional
      > with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      >
      > --------
      > Thanks,
      > Av8r3400
      >
      > Kitfox Model IV-1200
      > 912UL
      > IVO-IFA
      > Grove Gear
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 7
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 02:27:22 PM PST US
      > From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      > questions..
      >
      > Howard, I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know  
      > if you
      > can read it OK.  If not, I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      > Deke
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:38 PM
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      > questions..
      >
      >
      >>
      >> Give me a few days, Howard.  I'm away from home and as soon as I  
      >> return
      >> I'll take care of it.
      >> I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
      >> Deke Morisse
      >> Mikado Michigan
      >> S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
      >> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
      >> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
      >> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 8
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 02:47:45 PM PST US
      > From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Using small notebook to drive small external  
      > monitor
      >
      >
      > Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small
      > external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd
      > players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be
      > used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any
      > thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville, WA
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 9
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US
      > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      >
      >
      > Thanks, Snake....I finally figured out that downloading the manual,
      > making 6 copies and nailing one each to the interior walls, ceiling
      > and floor of my hangar was the only way to insure that one would be
      > handy when I needed it...well, maybe THAT'S a bit of a stretch, but
      > you get the idea.
      >
      > Lynn Matteson
      > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      > Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      > Rotec TBI-40 injection
      > Status: flying
      > do not archive
      >
      >
      > On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 PM, akflyer wrote:
      >
      >>
      >> http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      >>
      >> have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into
      >> the manual.
      >>
      >> --------
      >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
      >> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      >> Soldotna AK
      >> Avid "C" / Mk IV
      >> 582 IVO IFA
      >> Full Lotus 1450
      >> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      >>
      >> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      >>
      >>
      >> Read this topic online here:
      >>
      >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 10
      > ____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 03:19:38 PM PST US
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      > From: sourdostan@aol.com
      >
      > Thanks,?Av8r3400, for the information.  However, could you and  
      > others on the
      > list
      > please tell us?
      > your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're  
      > located.  I
      > think
      > this would make the list much more interesting for many of us.?
      >
      >
      > Thanks,?
      >
      >
      > Stan Specht
      >
      > Denver, Colorado
      >
      > Kitfox Model IV Speedster?
      >
      > 912ul (1570+ hours)
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      >
      > I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training  
      > with me
      > is
      >
      > 6' and 190#.
      >
      > We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's  
      > cozy, but
      > not
      >
      > uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      > functional
      > with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      >
      > --------
      > Thanks,
      > Av8r3400
      >
      > Kitfox Model IV-1200
      > 912UL
      > IVO-IFA
      > Grove Gear
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 11
      > ____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US
      > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      >
      > Amen!    (  do not archive   )
      >
      > Lynn Matteson
      > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      > Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      > Rotec TBI-40 injection
      > Status: flying
      > do not archive
      >
      >
      > On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, sourdostan@aol.com wrote:
      >
      >> Thanks, Av8r3400, for the information. However, could you and
      >> others on the list please tell us
      >> your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're
      >> located. I think this would make the list much more interesting for
      >> many of us.
      >>
      >> Thanks,
      >>
      >> Stan Specht
      >> Denver, Colorado
      >> Kitfox Model IV Speedster
      >> 912ul (1570+ hours)
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >>
      >> <theav8rweb@yahoo.com> I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is
      >> doing my transition training with me is 6' and 190#. We are not
      >> uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors. It's cozy, but
      >> not uncomfortable. Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it
      >> is functional with two "real" adults in it. Much better than a
      >> C150, IMO. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 912UL IVO-
      >> IFA Grove Gear Read this topic online here: http://
      >> forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      >> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
      >> ==========================================================
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 12
      > ____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 06:05:57 PM PST US
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using small notebook to drive small external
      > monitor
      > From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
      >
      >
      > Portable devices don't usually use any kind of standard interface to  
      > talk to
      > its
      > own internal display so you can't just tap into it and route it to an
      > external
      > display. The maker of the device must build in extra circuitry to  
      > produce
      > some
      > kind of standard external signal output. It would be an extra cost  
      > for a
      > feature
      > that most people wouldn't use so they don't usually bother. I took a  
      > look
      > at the specifications for the Lowrance 500 and it doesn't mention  
      > anything
      > like that so I think you're out of luck.
      >
      > --------
      > Luis Rodriguez
      > Model IV 1200
      > Rotax 912UL
      > Flying Weekly
      > Laurens, SC (34A)
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263061#263061
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 13
      > ____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 08:30:07 PM PST US
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat
      > From: "akflyerbob" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      >
      >
      > Pat, I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      > my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      > However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      > Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought
      > 16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      > By the way, got the tires.
      > Bob
      >
      > --------
      > Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      > KF Mod I and III
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 14
      > ____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 08:54:49 PM PST US
      > From: <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Factory Fly-in
      >
      > Kitfox Factory Fly-in =93 SUCCESS
      > Celebrating 25 years of Kitfox !!
      >
      > Thank you to all that helped make the Kitfox Fly-in 2009 a great  
      > success
      > !!
      > Over 35 aircraft and almost 100 people descended on S66
      >
      > We have the best kit aircraft in our class and it follows with the  
      > class
      > of the individuals that choose to make the Kitfox their aircraft of
      > choice.  With almost 5000 kits sold worldwide, it is very exciting  
      > when
      > one gets the opportunity to view one of the earliest Kitfox=99s,
      > N85DD, to the latest kit,  the S7 Super Sport and the latest  
      > development
      > the Kitfox S-LSA joined by Dan Denney and his =9CSpecial
      > Effects=9D at the same time in one place.   Followed by the
      > individuals that offer their time and expertise to aid a fellow  
      > Kitfoxer
      > get back in the air quickly when misfortune strikes.  We had
      > Kitfox=99s fly-in from Southern California, Washington, Utah,
      > Colorado, Arizona and as far as Austin Texas. All are home safe.
      >
      > Local area flights to the Owyhees were abundant and flights into  
      > Smiley
      > Creek and Sulpher Creek are trips not to be missed. The smoked bbq  
      > food
      > was great, the live music a pleasure and most important the Kitfox
      > family had a great time
      >
      > Great Fun!! Great Food !!   Great Flying !!
      >
      > Debra & I thank you for taking the time to join us in celebrating 25
      > years of Kitfox !!
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 15
      > ____________________________________
      >
      >
      > Time: 11:46:20 PM PST US
      > From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Using small notebook to drive small external
      > monitor
      >
      >> From: John Reinking [reinkings@comcast.net]
      >> Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small
      >> external monitor
      >
      > In a perfect world, it could, John. But not in this one.
      > I collaborate to the PocketFMS software which gives a moving map and  
      > flight
      > planner
      > on small devices like PocketPC and carNav with GPS. It's hell! Each  
      > device
      > has its own way to do things, own operative sytem, Windows Mobile,  
      > Windows
      > CE,
      > etc. Everyone is trying to get all the others to adopt their  
      > standard, they
      > want to be the new rulers of the world. Even here, in Norway, they  
      > have
      > started
      > with a pocket TV. It works on a system that is only used by three  
      > providers,
      > here in Norway. You can't use it anywhere else in the world.  
      > Needless to
      > say;
      > I am not buying that stuff.
      >
      > Years ago, I asked a good friend who is also the director for JVC  
      > Norway why
      > the
      > hi-fi industry can't get around to standard types of cables. He  
      > answered:
      > Well,
      > we make money selling hi-fi equimpment but we also like to make money
      > selling
      > cables.
      >
      > Cheers,
      > Miche Verheughe
      > Norway
      > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
      > Do not archive
      >
      > <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
      >
      >
      > </b></font></pre>
      >
      >
      
      
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      Just to complete Rick's assessment here - the only reason to operate an
      LSA-compliant EAB aircraft is as a Sport Pilot. Sport Pilots are not allowed
      to fly anything other than LSA certificated aircraft or aircraft that meet
      LSA requirements. Are you a Sport Pilot Ed?
      
      Bob Brennan - N717GB
      ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
      1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
      Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
      Wrightsville Pa
      
      
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      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
      Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Registration problems
      
      
      Ed, 
      
      I'm not sure I completely understand your paperwork problem.  Are you
      dealing with a DAR who has inspected the plane and is going to provide your
      operating specifications?  Or are you referring to the registration for the
      N number?  Is the DAR an FAA person or a designee?  I'm just trying to get a
      better understanding of where you are in the process.
      
      TO answer your question, although I'm not 100% certain, this is my
      understanding of the rules; your aircraft will be registered as an
      Experimental - Amateur Built (E-AB).  You can't register it as a light
      sport, since it has been previously registered as E-AB. However, you may
      operate it under the light sport aircraft rules provided it meets the
      criteria for LSA as you say it does (weight, engine, prop, etc.)  I believe
      that is what you after anyway.
      
      I just went through the process last year and that is how my paperwork was
      completed.  I'm sure if I erred, someone on the list will let us know.
      
      Happy flying!
      
      Rick Weiss
      N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
      SkyStar S/N 1
      Port Orange, FL
      
      
      On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
      
      
      
      I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
      registration.  My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
      bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990.  I have
      told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
      application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft".  The plane
      meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA?  Who here is "in the
      know". 
      
      Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
      compression springs.  Do not archive
      
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          1. 02:56 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Michael Logan)
          2. 05:50 AM - Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
          3. 07:19 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Pete Christensen)
          4. 10:21 AM - Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (akflyer)
          5. 11:59 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (beberle)
          6. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Av8r3400)
          7. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
      (fox5flyer)
          8. 02:47 PM - Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (John Reinking)
          9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
         10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (sourdostan@aol.com)
         11. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Lynn Matteson)
         12. 06:05 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (wingnut)
         13. 08:30 PM - Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat  (akflyerbob)
         14. 08:54 PM - Re: Kitfox Factory Fly-in  ()
         15. 11:46 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (Michel Verheughe)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 1
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      Time: 02:56:12 AM PST US
      From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      The secret is for a tall person to fly with a short person, then your
      shoulders do not get in each others way. :^)
      
      Mike Logan 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:04 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      At 06:17 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
      
      
      So, I would say it is a little too
      
      
      tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      
      Paul,
              This made me laugh, because I remembered my first flight in 
      a Kitfox. Our own Lowell Fitt was gracious enough to offer his 
      aircraft and flight instructor to me, a stranger, for an introductory 
      flight. (Thanks again Lowell. It proved to be the start of more than 
      one great friendship.) I'm about 6' and weighed about 200#. The 
      instructor weighted about 225#. It was no problem for Lowell's Fox 
      with the 912, but our comfort level was pretty low. I think we flew 
      with left shoulders back and right shoulders forward. That said I 
      know many who fly very long distances with two in their IV. (Steve 
      Kellender just flew with a passenger from Phoenix to Homedale and back.)
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 2
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      Time: 05:50:00 AM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Does anybody know the calibration method for the Northstar F210? I  
      can't locate my instruction manual.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 3
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      Time: 07:19:25 AM PST US
      From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I weigh 220 and my son in law weighs 208.  We fit tightly in my III with 
      bubble doors.
      
      Pete
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
      Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:17 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      <paul@eucleides.com>
      
      
      On Sun, September 13, 2009 5:17 pm, beberle wrote:
      
      
      How wide is a Kitfox IV cockpit?  Searched in vain on the web for 
      
      
      dimensions.  I sat
      
      
      in the Aerotek/Eurofox demo at Oshkosh, pretty comfy cabin at 44". Not 
      
      
      sure I could
      
      
      fit comfortably in much smaller...
      
      
      11 years ago, the late Miguel Ramirez and I attempted to fly together in 
      
      
      his KF IV.
      
      
      While we could twist our bodies a little for shoulder room we could not 
      
      
      both be seated
      
      
      and have ample clearance for the control sticks. So, I would say it is a 
      
      
      little too
      
      
      tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      
      -- 
      
      
      Paul A. Franz
      
      
      Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      
      
      Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      
      
      Bellevue WA 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 4
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      Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into the
      manual.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1450
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 5
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      Time: 11:59:28 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "beberle" <beberle1@bellsouth.net>
      
      
      Thanks for the info! Wish I had a kit to run out to the garage to measure
      :D
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262992#262992
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 6
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      Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 7
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:27:22 PM PST US
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      questions..
      
      Howard, I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know if you 
      can read it OK.  If not, I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      Deke
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI 
      questions..
      
      
      Give me a few days, Howard.  I'm away from home and as soon as I return 
      
      
      I'll take care of it.
      
      
      I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
      
      
      Deke Morisse
      
      
      Mikado Michigan
      
      
      S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
      
      
      "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
      
      
      Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
      
      
      -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 8
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      Time: 02:47:45 PM PST US
      From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd  
      players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be  
      used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any  
      thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville, WA
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 9
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      Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Thanks, Snake....I finally figured out that downloading the manual,  
      making 6 copies and nailing one each to the interior walls, ceiling  
      and floor of my hangar was the only way to insure that one would be  
      handy when I needed it...well, maybe THAT'S a bit of a stretch, but  
      you get the idea.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 PM, akflyer wrote:
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into  
      
      
      the manual.
      
      
      --------
      
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      
      
      Soldotna AK
      
      
      Avid "C" / Mk IV
      
      
      582 IVO IFA
      
      
      Full Lotus 1450
      
      
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 10
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:19:38 PM PST US
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: sourdostan@aol.com
      
      Thanks,?Av8r3400, for the information.  However, could you and others on the
      list
      please tell us?
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're located.  I
      think
      this would make the list much more interesting for many of us.?
      
      
      Thanks,?
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      Denver, Colorado
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster?
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional 
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 11
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      Amen!    (  do not archive   )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, sourdostan@aol.com wrote:
      
      
      Thanks, Av8r3400, for the information. However, could you and  
      
      
      others on the list please tell us
      
      
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're  
      
      
      located. I think this would make the list much more interesting for  
      
      
      many of us.
      
      
      Thanks,
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      
      Denver, Colorado
      
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster
      
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      
      
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      
      
      Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      
      
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      <theav8rweb@yahoo.com> I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is  
      
      
      doing my transition training with me is 6' and 190#. We are not  
      
      
      uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors. It's cozy, but  
      
      
      not uncomfortable. Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it  
      
      
      is functional with two "real" adults in it. Much better than a  
      
      
      C150, IMO. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 912UL IVO- 
      
      
      IFA Grove Gear Read this topic online here: http:// 
      
      
      forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      www.matronics.com/contribution _- 
      
      
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      ________________________________  Message 12
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      Time: 06:05:57 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
      
      
      Portable devices don't usually use any kind of standard interface to talk to
      its
      own internal display so you can't just tap into it and route it to an
      external
      display. The maker of the device must build in extra circuitry to produce
      some
      kind of standard external signal output. It would be an extra cost for a
      feature
      that most people wouldn't use so they don't usually bother. I took a look
      at the specifications for the Lowrance 500 and it doesn't mention anything
      like that so I think you're out of luck.
      
      --------
      Luis Rodriguez
      Model IV 1200
      Rotax 912UL
      Flying Weekly
      Laurens, SC (34A)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263061#263061
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 13
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      Time: 08:30:07 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat
      From: "akflyerbob" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      
      
      Pat, I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought 
      16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      By the way, got the tires.
      Bob
      
      --------
      Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      KF Mod I and III
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 14
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:54:49 PM PST US
      From: <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Factory Fly-in
      
      Kitfox Factory Fly-in =93 SUCCESS
      Celebrating 25 years of Kitfox !!
      
      Thank you to all that helped make the Kitfox Fly-in 2009 a great success 
      !!
      Over 35 aircraft and almost 100 people descended on S66
      
      We have the best kit aircraft in our class and it follows with the class 
      of the individuals that choose to make the Kitfox their aircraft of 
      choice.  With almost 5000 kits sold worldwide, it is very exciting when 
      one gets the opportunity to view one of the earliest Kitfox=99s, 
      N85DD, to the latest kit,  the S7 Super Sport and the latest development 
      the Kitfox S-LSA joined by Dan Denney and his =9CSpecial 
      Effects=9D at the same time in one place.   Followed by the 
      individuals that offer their time and expertise to aid a fellow Kitfoxer 
      get back in the air quickly when misfortune strikes.  We had 
      Kitfox=99s fly-in from Southern California, Washington, Utah, 
      Colorado, Arizona and as far as Austin Texas. All are home safe.  
      
      Local area flights to the Owyhees were abundant and flights into Smiley 
      Creek and Sulpher Creek are trips not to be missed. The smoked bbq food 
      was great, the live music a pleasure and most important the Kitfox 
      family had a great time 
      
      Great Fun!! Great Food !!   Great Flying !!
      
      Debra & I thank you for taking the time to join us in celebrating 25 
      years of Kitfox !!
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 15
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      Time: 11:46:20 PM PST US
      From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      
      
      From: John Reinking [reinkings@comcast.net]
      
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      
      
      external monitor
      
      
      In a perfect world, it could, John. But not in this one.
      I collaborate to the PocketFMS software which gives a moving map and flight
      planner
      on small devices like PocketPC and carNav with GPS. It's hell! Each device
      has its own way to do things, own operative sytem, Windows Mobile, Windows
      CE,
      etc. Everyone is trying to get all the others to adopt their standard, they
      want to be the new rulers of the world. Even here, in Norway, they have
      started
      with a pocket TV. It works on a system that is only used by three providers,
      here in Norway. You can't use it anywhere else in the world. Needless to
      say;
      I am not buying that stuff.
      
      Years ago, I asked a good friend who is also the director for JVC Norway why
      the
      hi-fi industry can't get around to standard types of cables. He answered:
      Well,
      we make money selling hi-fi equimpment but we also like to make money
      selling
      cables.
      
      Cheers,
      Miche Verheughe
      Norway
      Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
      Do not archive
      
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      Ed,
      	Need more info.  If this is the first registration and you are the
      builder it will be registered E-AB.  You can no longer register E-LSA.  
      Sounds like you purchased the kit from an individual that purchased it from
      Denney Aerocraft.  If that is the case then visit the our web and click the
      Bill of Sale link http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/FAQ-Tech.htm There are
      instructions and a letter for registering your aircraft.
      
      If the configuration of the aircraft meets the definition of Light Sport
      Aircraft than it can be operated by a Sport Pilot. 
      
      Please feel free to contact us direct if we can be any help.
      
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      Ph 208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com
      "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" 
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Gray
      Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:56 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/09
      
      
      I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
      registration.  My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
      bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990.  I have
      told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
      application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft".  The plane
      meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA?  Who here is "in the
      know". 
      
      Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
      compression springs.  Do not archive
      
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           1. 02:56 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Michael Logan)
           2. 05:50 AM - Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
           3. 07:19 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Pete Christensen)
           4. 10:21 AM - Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (akflyer)
           5. 11:59 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (beberle)
           6. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Av8r3400)
           7. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
      (fox5flyer)
           8. 02:47 PM - Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (John Reinking)
           9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
          10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (sourdostan@aol.com)
          11. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Lynn Matteson)
          12. 06:05 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (wingnut)
          13. 08:30 PM - Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat  (akflyerbob)
          14. 08:54 PM - Re: Kitfox Factory Fly-in  ()
          15. 11:46 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (Michel Verheughe)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 1
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      Time: 02:56:12 AM PST US
      From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      The secret is for a tall person to fly with a short person, then your
      shoulders do not get in each others way. :^)
      
      Mike Logan 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:04 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      At 06:17 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
      >So, I would say it is a little too
      >tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      Paul,
               This made me laugh, because I remembered my first flight in a
      Kitfox. Our own Lowell Fitt was gracious enough to offer his aircraft and
      flight instructor to me, a stranger, for an introductory flight. (Thanks
      again Lowell. It proved to be the start of more than one great friendship.)
      I'm about 6' and weighed about 200#. The instructor weighted about 225#. It
      was no problem for Lowell's Fox with the 912, but our comfort level was
      pretty low. I think we flew with left shoulders back and right shoulders
      forward. That said I know many who fly very long distances with two in their
      IV. (Steve Kellender just flew with a passenger from Phoenix to Homedale and
      back.)
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 2
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      Time: 05:50:00 AM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Does anybody know the calibration method for the Northstar F210? I can't
      locate my instruction manual.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 3
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 07:19:25 AM PST US
      From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I weigh 220 and my son in law weighs 208.  We fit tightly in my III with
      bubble doors.
      
      Pete
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
      Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:17 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      > <paul@eucleides.com>
      >
      > On Sun, September 13, 2009 5:17 pm, beberle wrote:
      >
      >> How wide is a Kitfox IV cockpit?  Searched in vain on the web for 
      >> dimensions.  I sat
      >> in the Aerotek/Eurofox demo at Oshkosh, pretty comfy cabin at 44". Not 
      >> sure I could
      >> fit comfortably in much smaller...
      >
      > 11 years ago, the late Miguel Ramirez and I attempted to fly together in 
      > his KF IV.
      > While we could twist our bodies a little for shoulder room we could not 
      > both be seated
      > and have ample clearance for the control sticks. So, I would say it is a 
      > little too
      > tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      > -- 
      > Paul A. Franz
      > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      > Bellevue WA 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 4
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into the
      manual.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1450
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 5
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:59:28 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "beberle" <beberle1@bellsouth.net>
      
      
      Thanks for the info! Wish I had a kit to run out to the garage to measure
      :D
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262992#262992
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 6
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 7
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:27:22 PM PST US
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      questions..
      
      Howard, I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know if you 
      can read it OK.  If not, I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      Deke
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI 
      questions..
      
      
      >
      > Give me a few days, Howard.  I'm away from home and as soon as I return 
      > I'll take care of it.
      > I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
      > Deke Morisse
      > Mikado Michigan
      > S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
      > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
      > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
      > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
      
      ________________________________  Message 8
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:47:45 PM PST US
      From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd  
      players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be  
      used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any  
      thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville, WA
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 9
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Thanks, Snake....I finally figured out that downloading the manual,  
      making 6 copies and nailing one each to the interior walls, ceiling  
      and floor of my hangar was the only way to insure that one would be  
      handy when I needed it...well, maybe THAT'S a bit of a stretch, but  
      you get the idea.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:18 PM, akflyer wrote:
      
      >
      > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      >
      > have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into  
      > the manual.
      >
      > --------
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      > Soldotna AK
      > Avid "C" / Mk IV
      > 582 IVO IFA
      > Full Lotus 1450
      > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      >
      > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      >
      >
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 10
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:19:38 PM PST US
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: sourdostan@aol.com
      
      Thanks,?Av8r3400, for the information.  However, could you and others on the
      list
      please tell us?
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're located.  I
      think
      this would make the list much more interesting for many of us.?
      
      
      Thanks,?
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      Denver, Colorado
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster?
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is doing my transition training with me
      is
      
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy, but
      not
      
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it is
      functional 
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150, IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks,
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 11
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      Amen!    (  do not archive   )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
      Jabiru 2200, #2062, 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, sourdostan@aol.com wrote:
      
      > Thanks, Av8r3400, for the information. However, could you and  
      > others on the list please tell us
      > your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're  
      > located. I think this would make the list much more interesting for  
      > many of us.
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Stan Specht
      > Denver, Colorado
      > Kitfox Model IV Speedster
      > 912ul (1570+ hours)
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      >
      > <theav8rweb@yahoo.com> I'm 5'-9" and about 230#, my CFI who is  
      > doing my transition training with me is 6' and 190#. We are not  
      > uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors. It's cozy, but  
      > not uncomfortable. Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything, but it  
      > is functional with two "real" adults in it. Much better than a  
      > C150, IMO. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 912UL IVO- 
      > IFA Grove Gear Read this topic online here: http:// 
      > forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      > www.matronics.com/contribution _- 
      > ==========================================================
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 12
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 06:05:57 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
      
      
      Portable devices don't usually use any kind of standard interface to talk to
      its
      own internal display so you can't just tap into it and route it to an
      external
      display. The maker of the device must build in extra circuitry to produce
      some
      kind of standard external signal output. It would be an extra cost for a
      feature
      that most people wouldn't use so they don't usually bother. I took a look
      at the specifications for the Lowrance 500 and it doesn't mention anything
      like that so I think you're out of luck.
      
      --------
      Luis Rodriguez
      Model IV 1200
      Rotax 912UL
      Flying Weekly
      Laurens, SC (34A)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263061#263061
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 13
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:30:07 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: plastic source, toe in, Mod 3 seat
      From: "akflyerbob" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      
      
      Pat, I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought 
      16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      By the way, got the tires.
      Bob
      
      --------
      Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      KF Mod I and III
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 14
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:54:49 PM PST US
      From: <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Factory Fly-in
      
      Kitfox Factory Fly-in =93 SUCCESS
      Celebrating 25 years of Kitfox !!
      
      Thank you to all that helped make the Kitfox Fly-in 2009 a great success 
      !!
      Over 35 aircraft and almost 100 people descended on S66
      
      We have the best kit aircraft in our class and it follows with the class 
      of the individuals that choose to make the Kitfox their aircraft of 
      choice.  With almost 5000 kits sold worldwide, it is very exciting when 
      one gets the opportunity to view one of the earliest Kitfox=99s, 
      N85DD, to the latest kit,  the S7 Super Sport and the latest development 
      the Kitfox S-LSA joined by Dan Denney and his =9CSpecial 
      Effects=9D at the same time in one place.   Followed by the 
      individuals that offer their time and expertise to aid a fellow Kitfoxer 
      get back in the air quickly when misfortune strikes.  We had 
      Kitfox=99s fly-in from Southern California, Washington, Utah, 
      Colorado, Arizona and as far as Austin Texas. All are home safe.  
      
      Local area flights to the Owyhees were abundant and flights into Smiley 
      Creek and Sulpher Creek are trips not to be missed. The smoked bbq food 
      was great, the live music a pleasure and most important the Kitfox 
      family had a great time 
      
      Great Fun!!	Great Food !!	Great Flying !!
      
      Debra & I thank you for taking the time to join us in celebrating 25 
      years of Kitfox !!
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 15
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:46:20 PM PST US
      From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      
      > From: John Reinking [reinkings@comcast.net]
      > Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      > external monitor
      
      In a perfect world, it could, John. But not in this one.
      I collaborate to the PocketFMS software which gives a moving map and flight
      planner
      on small devices like PocketPC and carNav with GPS. It's hell! Each device
      has its own way to do things, own operative sytem, Windows Mobile, Windows
      CE,
      etc. Everyone is trying to get all the others to adopt their standard, they
      want to be the new rulers of the world. Even here, in Norway, they have
      started
      with a pocket TV. It works on a system that is only used by three providers,
      here in Norway. You can't use it anywhere else in the world. Needless to
      say;
      I am not buying that stuff.
      
      Years ago, I asked a good friend who is also the director for JVC Norway why
      the
      hi-fi industry can't get around to standard types of cables. He answered:
      Well,
      we make money selling hi-fi equimpment but we also like to make money
      selling
      cables.
      
      Cheers,
      Miche Verheughe
      Norway
      Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
      Do not archive
      
      <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
      
      
      </b></font></pre>
      
      
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      Yup looks that way.   Just have to take a different tack.
      
      
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      The problem you stated has nothing to do with light sport.  The new rule st
      ates that to REGISTER an airplane you must have a paper trail to the bill o
      f sale from the manufacturer.  Not about airworthiness certification=2C but
       registration of the plane.  There is another box on the application that s
      ays "assembled from miscelanious parts".  That one requires no bill of sale
      .  You may have a problem having "checked the wrong box".
      
      
      From: matronics@bob.brennan.name
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Registration problems
      
      
      Just to complete Rick's assessment here - the only reason to operate an LSA
      -compliant EAB aircraft is as a Sport Pilot. Sport Pilots are not allowed t
      o fly anything other than LSA certificated aircraft or aircraft that meet L
      SA requirements. Are you a Sport Pilot Ed?
      
      Bob Brennan - N717GB
      ELSA Repairman=2C inspection rated
      1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
      Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
      Wrightsville Pa
      
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
      er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
      Sent: Tuesday=2C September 15=2C 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Registration problems
      
      
      Ed=2C 
      
      
      I'm not sure I completely understand your paperwork problem.  Are you deali
      ng with a DAR who has inspected the plane and is going to provide your oper
      ating specifications?  Or are you referring to the registration for the N n
      umber?  Is the DAR an FAA person or a designee?  I'm just trying to get a b
      etter understanding of where you are in the process.
      
      
      TO answer your question=2C although I'm not 100% certain=2C this is my unde
      rstanding of the rules=3B your aircraft will be registered as an Experiment
      al - Amateur Built (E-AB).  You can't register it as a light sport=2C since
       it has been previously registered as E-AB. However=2C you may operate it u
      nder the light sport aircraft rules provided it meets the criteria for LSA 
      as you say it does (weight=2C engine=2C prop=2C etc.)  I believe that is wh
      at you after anyway.
      
      
      I just went through the process last year and that is how my paperwork was 
      completed.  I'm sure if I erred=2C someone on the list will let us know.
      
      
      Happy flying!
      
      
      Rick Weiss
      N39RW Series V Speedster=2C 912ULS
      SkyStar S/N 1
      Port Orange=2C FL
      
      
      On Sep 15=2C 2009=2C at 1:56 PM=2C Ed Gray wrote:
      
      
      I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
      registration.  My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have th
      e
      bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990.  I have
      told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
      application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft".  The plane
      meets all LSA criteria=2C so will it be licensed as LSA?  Who here is "in t
      he
      know". 
      
      Ed Gray=2C Dallas=2C KII=2C 582=2C ready to fly with new tailwheel spring a
      nd Maule
      compression springs.  Do not archive
      
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          1. 02:56 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Michael Logan)
          2. 05:50 AM - Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
          3. 07:19 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Pete Christensen)
          4. 10:21 AM - Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (akflyer)
          5. 11:59 AM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (beberle)
          6. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Av8r3400)
          7. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone=2C I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.
      .
      (fox5flyer)
          8. 02:47 PM - Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (John Reinking)
          9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Need help with Northstar F210  (Lynn Matteson)
         10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (sourdostan@aol.com)
         11. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit  (Lynn Matteson)
         12. 06:05 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (wingnut)
         13. 08:30 PM - Re: plastic source=2C toe in=2C Mod 3 seat  (akflyerbob)
         14. 08:54 PM - Re: Kitfox Factory Fly-in  ()
         15. 11:46 PM - Re: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      (Michel Verheughe)
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 1
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:56:12 AM PST US
      From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      The secret is for a tall person to fly with a short person=2C then your
      shoulders do not get in each others way. :^)
      
      Mike Logan 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Sent: Monday=2C September 14=2C 2009 2:04 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      At 06:17 PM 9/13/2009=2C you wrote:
      
      So=2C I would say it is a little too
      
      tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      Paul=2C
              This made me laugh=2C because I remembered my first flight in 
      a Kitfox. Our own Lowell Fitt was gracious enough to offer his 
      aircraft and flight instructor to me=2C a stranger=2C for an introductory 
      flight. (Thanks again Lowell. It proved to be the start of more than 
      one great friendship.) I'm about 6' and weighed about 200#. The 
      instructor weighted about 225#. It was no problem for Lowell's Fox 
      with the 912=2C but our comfort level was pretty low. I think we flew 
      with left shoulders back and right shoulders forward. That said I 
      know many who fly very long distances with two in their IV. (Steve 
      Kellender just flew with a passenger from Phoenix to Homedale and back.)
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego=2C CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 2
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 05:50:00 AM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Does anybody know the calibration method for the Northstar F210? I  
      can't locate my instruction manual.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
      Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 3
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 07:19:25 AM PST US
      From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I weigh 220 and my son in law weighs 208.  We fit tightly in my III with 
      bubble doors.
      
      Pete
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
      Sent: Sunday=2C September 13=2C 2009 8:17 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      <paul@eucleides.com>
      
      
      On Sun=2C September 13=2C 2009 5:17 pm=2C beberle wrote:
      
      
      How wide is a Kitfox IV cockpit?  Searched in vain on the web for 
      
      
      dimensions.  I sat
      
      
      in the Aerotek/Eurofox demo at Oshkosh=2C pretty comfy cabin at 44". Not 
      
      
      sure I could
      
      
      fit comfortably in much smaller...
      
      
      11 years ago=2C the late Miguel Ramirez and I attempted to fly together in
      
      
      his KF IV.
      
      While we could twist our bodies a little for shoulder room we could not 
      
      both be seated
      
      and have ample clearance for the control sticks. So=2C I would say it is a
      
      
      little too
      
      tight for two bigger than average guys (> 200 lbs).
      
      -- 
      
      Paul A. Franz
      
      Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      
      Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      
      Bellevue WA 
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 4
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into the
      manual.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1450
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 5
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:59:28 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "beberle" <beberle1@bellsouth.net>
      
      
      Thanks for the info! Wish I had a kit to run out to the garage to measure
      :D
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262992#262992
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 6
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#=2C my CFI who is doing my transition training with
       me
      is
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy=2C 
      but
      not
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything=2C but it is
      functional
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150=2C IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks=2C
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 7
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:27:22 PM PST US
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone=2C I'm back with a -4 with NSI
      questions..
      
      Howard=2C I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know if you
      
      can read it OK.  If not=2C I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      Deke
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
      Sent: Saturday=2C September 12=2C 2009 2:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone=2C I'm back with a -4 with NSI 
      questions..
      
      
      Give me a few days=2C Howard.  I'm away from home and as soon as I return 
      
      I'll take care of it.
      
      I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
      
      Deke Morisse
      
      Mikado Michigan
      
      S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
      
      "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
      
      Desert=2C in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
      
      -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
      
      ________________________________  Message 8
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:47:45 PM PST US
      From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Using small notebook to drive small external monitor
      
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      external monitor ( like the kind used for backseat displays for dvd  
      players?     Have an old Lowrance 500 and am wondering if it could be  
      used to display on a larger separate monitor (6-7").     Any  
      thoughts?   Thanks fellas.    John/Woodinville=2C WA
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 9
      _____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help with Northstar F210
      
      
      Thanks=2C Snake....I finally figured out that downloading the manual=2C  
      making 6 copies and nailing one each to the interior walls=2C ceiling  
      and floor of my hangar was the only way to insure that one would be  
      handy when I needed it...well=2C maybe THAT'S a bit of a stretch=2C but  
      you get the idea.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
      Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14=2C 2009=2C at 1:18 PM=2C akflyer wrote:
      
      
      http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=377.0
      
      
      have the manual loaded to my site... no snake oil was injected into  
      
      the manual.
      
      
      --------
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
      
      Soldotna AK
      
      Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV
      
      582 IVO IFA
      
      Full Lotus 1450
      
      #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
      
      
      hander outer of humorless darwin awards
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262967#262967
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 10
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:19:38 PM PST US
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      From: sourdostan@aol.com
      
      Thanks=2C?Av8r3400=2C for the information.  However=2C could you and others
       on the
      list
      please tell us?
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're located.  
      I
      think
      this would make the list much more interesting for many of us.?
      
      
      Thanks=2C?
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      Denver=2C Colorado
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster?
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Mon=2C Sep 14=2C 2009 2:53 pm
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      I'm 5'-9" and about 230#=2C my CFI who is doing my transition training with
       me
      is
      
      6' and 190#.
      
      We are not uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors.  It's cozy=2C 
      but
      not
      
      uncomfortable.  Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything=2C but it is
      functional 
      with two "real" adults in it.  Much better than a C150=2C IMO.
      
      --------
      Thanks=2C
      Av8r3400
      
      Kitfox Model IV-1200
      912UL
      IVO-IFA
      Grove Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 11
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US
      From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      Amen!    (  do not archive   )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
      Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 767.2 hrs
      Countdown to 1000 hrs~233 to go
      Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
      Electroair direct-fire ignition system
      Rotec TBI-40 injection
      Status: flying
      do not archive
      
      
      On Sep 14=2C 2009=2C at 6:10 PM=2C sourdostan@aol.com wrote:
      
      
      Thanks=2C Av8r3400=2C for the information. However=2C could you and  
      
      others on the list please tell us
      
      your name when you post? Would even be nice to know where you're  
      
      located. I think this would make the list much more interesting for  
      
      many of us.
      
      
      Thanks=2C
      
      
      Stan Specht
      
      Denver=2C Colorado
      
      Kitfox Model IV Speedster
      
      912ul (1570+ hours)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      
      From: Av8r3400 <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
      
      
      Sent: Mon=2C Sep 14=2C 2009 2:53 pm
      
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox IV cockpit
      
      
      <theav8rweb@yahoo.com> I'm 5'-9" and about 230#=2C my CFI who is  
      
      doing my transition training with me is 6' and 190#. We are not  
      
      uncomfortable in the plane with the bubble doors. It's cozy=2C but  
      
      not uncomfortable. Of course it's not a Cirrus or anything=2C but it  
      
      is functional with two "real" adults in it. Much better than a  
      
      C150=2C IMO. -------- Thanks=2C Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 912UL IVO- 
      
      IFA Grove Gear Read this topic online here: http:// 
      
      forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263010#263010
      
      
      ========
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 12
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 06:05:57 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
      
      
      Portable devices don't usually use any kind of standard interface to talk t
      o
      its
      own internal display so you can't just tap into it and route it to an
      external
      display. The maker of the device must build in extra circuitry to produce
      some
      kind of standard external signal output. It would be an extra cost for a
      feature
      that most people wouldn't use so they don't usually bother. I took a look
      at the specifications for the Lowrance 500 and it doesn't mention anything
      like that so I think you're out of luck.
      
      --------
      Luis Rodriguez
      Model IV 1200
      Rotax 912UL
      Flying Weekly
      Laurens=2C SC (34A)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263061#263061
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 13
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:30:07 PM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: plastic source=2C toe in=2C Mod 3 seat
      From: "akflyerbob" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      
      
      Pat=2C I also bought some of that material and have looked thru
      my receipts from hell and cant find the company.
      However I have a lot left and could ship you some.
      Let me know how much you need. Seems like I bought 
      16' or 18' X 14". I split of 3" strips for gap seals.
      By the way=2C got the tires.
      Bob
      
      --------
      Bob Wolfe..Soldotna=2C Alaska
      KF Mod I and III
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263087#263087
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 14
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 08:54:49 PM PST US
      From: <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Factory Fly-in
      
      Kitfox Factory Fly-in =93 SUCCESS
      Celebrating 25 years of Kitfox !!
      
      Thank you to all that helped make the Kitfox Fly-in 2009 a great success 
      !!
      Over 35 aircraft and almost 100 people descended on S66
      
      We have the best kit aircraft in our class and it follows with the class 
      of the individuals that choose to make the Kitfox their aircraft of 
      choice.  With almost 5000 kits sold worldwide=2C it is very exciting when 
      one gets the opportunity to view one of the earliest Kitfox=99s=2C 
      N85DD=2C to the latest kit=2C  the S7 Super Sport and the latest developmen
      t 
      the Kitfox S-LSA joined by Dan Denney and his =9CSpecial 
      Effects=9D at the same time in one place.   Followed by the 
      individuals that offer their time and expertise to aid a fellow Kitfoxer 
      get back in the air quickly when misfortune strikes.  We had 
      Kitfox=99s fly-in from Southern California=2C Washington=2C Utah=2C 
      Colorado=2C Arizona and as far as Austin Texas. All are home safe.  
      
      Local area flights to the Owyhees were abundant and flights into Smiley 
      Creek and Sulpher Creek are trips not to be missed. The smoked bbq food 
      was great=2C the live music a pleasure and most important the Kitfox 
      family had a great time 
      
      Great Fun!! Great Food !!   Great Flying !!
      
      Debra & I thank you for taking the time to join us in celebrating 25 
      years of Kitfox !!
      
      
      ________________________________  Message 15
      ____________________________________
      
      
      Time: 11:46:20 PM PST US
      From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Using small notebook to drive small external
      monitor
      
      
      From: John Reinking [reinkings@comcast.net]
      
      Have any of you taken a handheld GPS and used it to drive a small  
      
      external monitor
      
      In a perfect world=2C it could=2C John. But not in this one.
      I collaborate to the PocketFMS software which gives a moving map and flight
      planner
      on small devices like PocketPC and carNav with GPS. It's hell! Each device
      has its own way to do things=2C own operative sytem=2C Windows Mobile=2C Wi
      ndows
      CE=2C
      etc. Everyone is trying to get all the others to adopt their standard=2C th
      ey
      want to be the new rulers of the world. Even here=2C in Norway=2C they have
      started
      with a pocket TV. It works on a system that is only used by three providers
      =2C
      here in Norway. You can't use it anywhere else in the world. Needless to
      say=3B
      I am not buying that stuff.
      
      Years ago=2C I asked a good friend who is also the director for JVC Norway 
      why
      the
      hi-fi industry can't get around to standard types of cables. He answered:
      Well=2C
      we make money selling hi-fi equimpment but we also like to make money
      selling
      cables.
      
      Cheers=2C
      Miche Verheughe
      Norway
      Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
      Do not archive
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. | 
      
      
      
      Fox5flyer wrote:
      > Howard, I scanned the schematic for you and attached.  Let me know if you 
      > can read it OK.  If not, I can snail mail you a copy of it.
      > Deke
      > 
      > ---
      
      
      I'd really appreciate it if you could mail me a copy...I can't read the text on
      the scanned image.
      
      Mailing address is 
      21605 Ahlstrom St.
      Rogers MN 55374
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. | 
      
      
      Hey Deke, I have some relatives in your neck of the woods...In Rose City...Next
      time I'm there, I'll try to hook up for a visit. Also, in Southeast MN my friend
      with the -4 has a 900' grass strip at his house...If you ever want to make
      the trip...
      Howard
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gap Seal Tape | 
      
      Bob, Thanks for the Tognar referral again. Did the tires arrive yet? Do not
      archive
      
      Pat Reilly
      Mod 3 582 Rebuild
      Rockford, IL
      
      On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:11 PM, akflyerbob <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>wrote:
      
      > r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
      >
      > OK I found this posted 02-sept-07 by oscardog
      > Tognar.com
      > click on Travel bags & Packs
      > Click on Skuff Saver Tape
      >            #TYC 7210
      >              14" wide sold by ft
      > I called them, its still in stock
      >
      > Bob
      >
      > --------
      > Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
      > KF Mod I and III
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263158#263158
      >
      >
      
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      How am I able to get the dimensions of the black decals on this airplane?
      Thanks
      
      --------
      1991 Kitfox IV 1050LB
      Rotax 912UL
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | how to fly a kitfox | 
      
      
      Hello
      
      Does anyone know if the book'"how to fly a kitfox'" is still availabel?
      I have mailed skystar but the say they don't have it anymore.
      
      Thank You
      
      eric
      
      
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