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1. 04:08 AM - Custom Kitfox Skis that work (dave)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Kiev prop (fox5flyer)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Kiev Prop (dave)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (catz631@aol.com)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Zimmermans)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Patrick Reilly)
7. 09:22 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Lynn Matteson)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Dave Fisher)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Kiev prop (Patrick Reilly)
10. 09:42 AM - Re: Kiev prop (Dave Fisher)
11. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Patrick Reilly)
12. 09:45 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (fox5flyer)
13. 09:54 AM - Re: Kiev prop (Patrick Reilly)
14. 10:01 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Patrick Reilly)
15. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: 582 owners show me some Oil reservoirs (Patrick Reilly)
16. 10:49 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Lynn Matteson)
17. 10:51 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Lynn Matteson)
18. 10:54 AM - Oshkosh Skiplane fly-in cancelled (Lynn Matteson)
19. 11:17 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (fox5flyer)
20. 11:18 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (fox5flyer)
21. 12:03 PM - Re: 582 owners show me some Oil reservoirs (Tom Jones)
22. 12:11 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Tom Jones)
23. 12:17 PM - Re: Kiev prop (Lowell Fitt)
24. 12:45 PM - Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (dave)
25. 01:34 PM - Compression tester (fox5flyer)
26. 01:52 PM - Re: Compression tester (Lynn Matteson)
27. 02:11 PM - Re: Compression tester (Scott DeMeyer)
28. 02:12 PM - Re: Compression tester (fox5flyer)
29. 05:29 PM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Noel Loveys)
30. 05:30 PM - Re: Compression tester (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
31. 05:33 PM - Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (Noel Loveys)
32. 05:35 PM - off topic (kirk hull)
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| Subject: | Custom Kitfox Skis that work |
I did a quick video before sundown yesterday on these new skis I have to offer.
Detailed pictures and video all in one post right here - no log in required to
see pictures.
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=167&p=527#p527
Free Classifed ads that work -- I sold a few things off this site lately.
In stock now and ship out over night.
I have flown my old 8" x 48" in 36 inches of powder snow. They work ok but these
I made 12" for extra flotaion. Tailski a real help in soft deep snow as well.
I will make custom size as you request.
The video was done on a bout 8 " of snow with freezing rain the other day we got
a hard crust and cheap skis will fold easy it tough conditions.
Dave
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Lowell, probably the main reason that the AN bolt felt tighter might be
because the thread pitch between AN and metric is slightly different. Then
again, you probably already know that.
Deke
>
> I love this stuff.
>
> I just remeasured the 8mm bolt that was sent with my first Warp Prop - as
> new unused - and it measured .784mm at the head end and.779mm at the
> thread end of the shank. As I said, the 5/16" bolt measured a bit heavier
> .787mm at the head end and .786mm at the thread end. I can't explain it
> nor do I have any inclination to try to. I simply put a digital caliper
> on a couple of bolts and voila as they say somewhere in metric land, the
> smaller bolt is larger and the larger bolt is smaller. Just for fun, I
> measured the rest of the six unused prop bolts and the mearurements ranged
> from 7.79 to 7.81 mm. I also meareured a handful of new AN bolts and they
> came in between 7.87 and 7.89 with all but two of about ten at 7.89 mm -
> pretty good quality control it seems.
>
> I guess we might argue the specs from the spec sheet, but all I have are
> some bolts that I can hold in my hand and mearure. And I guess I'm just
> too lazy to google up the spec sheets to find what the bolts I have should
> measurure - it's just too easy to put the caliper on them. As I said in
> my original post, I could tell by feel that the AN bolts were tighter in
> the holes. so I went with them. Now, I guess it's possible that the bolts
> Warp sent with the prop were bargain basement bolts. I have no way of
> knowing that after ten years.
>
> Regarding the 8.000 mm measurements of the metric bolts, I have never been
> to Europe where all this metric stuff came about, but I have spent enough
> time in front of a lathe to know you simply cannot put an 8.000 mm bolt in
> an 8.000 mm hole. Which brings up another question, I guess, is an 8 mm.
> drill really 8.0 mm or are they oversized to accommodate the bolts?
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JC Propeller Design" <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
>
>
>> <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>>
>>
>> A 5/16 AN5 is 7,9375 mm, on most bolts they are a bit smaller then that
>>
>> an 8 mm bolt is 8.0000 mm and thread pitch is 1.2500 mm/t or fine pitch
>> thread 1.0000 mm
>>
>> AN5 -24 have 24 threads per inch = tread pitch is 1.058 mm
>> and is rated 125000 psi, that is 87,9 kg/mm2 or 862 MPa That will be a
>> 9.8 class metric bolt
>>
>> Table 10
>> MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARBON STEEL
>> EXTERNALLY-THREADED METRIC FASTENERS
>>
>> Property Class Designation Nominal Size of Product Material and
>> Treatment Mechanical Requirements Property Class Ident. Marking
>> Proof Load Stress, MPa Tensile Yield Strength, MPa, Min. Tensile
>> Ultimate Strength, MPa, Min. Prod. Hardness, Rockwell
>> Surface, Max. Core
>> Min. Max.
>>
>> 4.6 M5-M100 low or medium carbon steel 225 240 400 -- B67 B95 4.6
>> 4.8 M1.6-M16 low or medium carbon steel, fully or partially annealed
>> 310 340 420 -- B71 B95 4.8
>> 5.8 M5-M24 low or medium carbon steel, cold worked 380 420 520 --
>> B82 B95 5.8
>> 8.8 M16-M72 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 600 660 830
>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>> A325M Type 1 M16-M36 A325M 8S
>> 8.8 M16-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 600 660
>> 830 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>> A325M Type 2 A325M 8S
>> A325M Type 3 M16-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>> and tempered 600 660 830 30N56 C23 C34 A325M 8S3
>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 650 720 900
>> 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 650 720
>> 900 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>> 10.9 M5-M20 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 830 940 1040
>> 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>> 10.9 M5-M100 medium carbon alloy steel, quenched and tempered 830
>> 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>> A490M Type 1 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>> 10.9 M5-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 830 940
>> 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>> A490M Type 2 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>> A490M Type 3 M12-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>> and tempered 830 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 A490M 10S3
>> 12.9 M1.6-M100 alloy steel, quenched and tempered 970 1100 1220
>> 30N63 C38 C44 12.9
>>
>>>
>>> That's surprising since the nominal sizes are:
>>>
>>> 5/16" == 0.3125"
>>> 8 mm == 0.3150"
>>>
>>> Which suggests to me that the 5/16" AN bolt would be very slightly
>>> smaller, not larger.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul A. Franz
>>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>>> Bellevue WA
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Dick, That is a sharp looking prop for sure. The numbers really suck though.
I hope it gets better. I find the 912 works well with IVO UL or medium.
I am really surprised of you numbers though, You should be well over 100 mph in
cruise at 5000rpm -- morel like 110 mph..
My little 582 cruise on skis yesterday was 91 mph @ 5900 rpm .
I just added more Kitfox videos today flying
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
Get us some numbers now at 100 mph plus.
Dick Maddux wrote:
> Well, it looks like you guys were right. You just can't get a great deal of performance
improvement by switching props. I tried the first test of my Kiev today
and it was rather disappointing. Here are some of the results:
> 1. Warp prop:
> Take off rpm 5400, cruise 88mph @5000 rpm @52 degrees temp
> 2. Kiev prop:
> Take off rpm 5400,cruise 82mph @ 5000rpm @ 70 degrees
> Full throttle reached 5800 rpm (did not note speed)
>
> All of this was done at 1200 AGL. The test with the Kiev was done without the
spinner so perhaps that will help the cruise a bit. Further tweaking with the
prop pitch might give me better results. I had to land as a mighty big thunderstorm
was approaching.
> This aircraft is not all that speedy anyway due to the fat tires, bush gear,80hp,etc..lots
of drag.
> As soon as the weather gets better in a few days, I will test it some more.
Dick Maddux
> Fox 4
> Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge |
> A flight instrument with this kind of track record would probably be
blackballed.
Thanks Mike ! , I agree !
Dick Maddux
Milton, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of an
inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My factory
assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on putting them in.
Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
----- Original Message -----
From: cjswa
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
Don,
I have a Model 4 and I installed drain holes. In the wing
construction section of my builder's manual, when fabricating the
trailing edge it says "Cut the notch (in the trailing edge lip) for the
cap strip 1/8 inch wider on the outboard side of each rib to provide a
drain opening for the area behind the lip." You later burn the drain
holes through the fabric in this area. I'm not sure about the wing
construction of the Model 5, but maybe there is also something there in
your manual. (I did not see anything about drain holes in the covering
section of the builder's manual.) But, the PolyFiber manual also calls
for drain holes in each bay of wings.
Bill Anderson
Model IV - 1050
Brentwood, NH
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Hudgeon
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons?
G`day All
Could anyone tell me if they have drain holes near the trailing edge
of their wings? I have a Model 5 Vixen and there are no drains. I could
not find reference to them in the builders manual. Friends with Cubs and
TC`s are telling me to put in drains. The aircraft is stored either in
garage or hanger. Any recommendations?
Thanks
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
Lynn, Thanks for info.That makes sense, opposite the hinge where the water
would enter. I will drill them today.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> I'll just copy here what I posted a few days earlier:
>
> they say a 3/16" hole "in the bottom skin aft of each hinge, about 3/4"
> ahead of the trailing edge for a moisture drain hole." I think I was
> thinking of the drain holes in the wing fabric. So the manual must not think
> that's there's an appreciable amount of moisture collecting inside the
> individual bays of the flaperon. Or they have a channel that would allow for
> the flow of moisture between the bays/cavities.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, My plane does not have drain holes in the flaperons. Seeing the
>> openings at the bearings they could collect a significant amount of water.
>> How many and where are the drain holes placed in the flaperons. My builders
>> manual is at the hangar.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack
of holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an
"incomplete task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of
drilling the holes per the instructions...if there are any...he or
she has now completed the task of "building" the flaperon, and can
now honestly(?) say that they were the one who completed that task,
on the road to the 51% rule. Remember that the 51% rule only compares
tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage welded and painted from
the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at home in the eyes
of the governing body. At least it did when I built my
plane........God I hate lawyers! Not you Marco....: )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:
> My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of
> an inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My
> factory assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on
> putting them in.
> Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
I would do more than just at the hinges. The flapperons tilt inboad on
the plane with wings folder out. Water can travel past the foam ribs as
they are not watertight between each other.
Best thing to do it fill the flapperon and see where it collects. You
will hear it sloshing around and drill according to where it collects.
Would that not be a surprise for you to go flying and find a heavy
flapperon huh ?
I had a wet flapperon freeze up on me a few weeks ago on a test flight.
Really sucked to have no roll control for a bit until I broke it free.
Woulda been fun to land with just rudder.
For the record on your walkaround you should be checking all drain holes
for water anyhow and restrictions. Justd casue you gota hole there does
not mean you don't have water collected there. I once had afew gallons
in a c 185 in the tail collected there , the drain holes were all
clogged up woth bird nests etc.
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons?
Lynn, Thanks for info.That makes sense, opposite the hinge where the
water would enter. I will drill them today.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
wrote:
I'll just copy here what I posted a few days earlier:
they say a 3/16" hole "in the bottom skin aft of each hinge, about
3/4" ahead of the trailing edge for a moisture drain hole." I think I
was thinking of the drain holes in the wing fabric. So the manual must
not think that's there's an appreciable amount of moisture collecting
inside the individual bays of the flaperon. Or they have a channel that
would allow for the flow of moisture between the bays/cavities.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
Lynn, My plane does not have drain holes in the flaperons. Seeing
the openings at the bearings they could collect a significant amount of
water. How many and where are the drain holes placed in the flaperons.
My builders manual is at the hangar.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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Lowell, you say you used 5/16" bolts in the 8mm bolt holes. I originally
bought 5/16 " bolts for my prop not thinking. I tried to put one in and
remembered immediately Rotax is a meteric engine. I bought 8mm bolts from
Fastenal. I didn't try to force the 5/16 " bolt in. I figured the # of
threads, and pitch woukd be different enough that and it would strip. Are
you saying the 8mm and 5/16" threads are close enough that you can use a
5/16" bolt in an 8mm tapped hole and just get a little more interference
without stripping threads?
Pa t Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I love this stuff.
>
> I just remeasured the 8mm bolt that was sent with my first Warp Prop - as
> new unused - and it measured .784mm at the head end and.779mm at the thread
> end of the shank. As I said, the 5/16" bolt measured a bit heavier .787mm
> at the head end and .786mm at the thread end. I can't explain it nor do I
> have any inclination to try to. I simply put a digital caliper on a couple
> of bolts and voila as they say somewhere in metric land, the smaller bolt is
> larger and the larger bolt is smaller. Just for fun, I measured the rest of
> the six unused prop bolts and the mearurements ranged from 7.79 to 7.81 mm.
> I also meareured a handful of new AN bolts and they came in between 7.87 and
> 7.89 with all but two of about ten at 7.89 mm - pretty good quality control
> it seems.
>
> I guess we might argue the specs from the spec sheet, but all I have are
> some bolts that I can hold in my hand and mearure. And I guess I'm just
> too lazy to google up the spec sheets to find what the bolts I have should
> measurure - it's just too easy to put the caliper on them. As I said in my
> original post, I could tell by feel that the AN bolts were tighter in the
> holes. so I went with them. Now, I guess it's possible that the bolts Warp
> sent with the prop were bargain basement bolts. I have no way of knowing
> that after ten years.
>
> Regarding the 8.000 mm measurements of the metric bolts, I have never been
> to Europe where all this metric stuff came about, but I have spent enough
> time in front of a lathe to know you simply cannot put an 8.000 mm bolt in
> an 8.000 mm hole. Which brings up another question, I guess, is an 8 mm.
> drill really 8.0 mm or are they oversized to accommodate the bolts?
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Propeller Design" <
> propellerdesign@tele2.se>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
>
>
>> propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>>
>>
>> A 5/16 AN5 is 7,9375 mm, on most bolts they are a bit smaller then that
>>
>> an 8 mm bolt is 8.0000 mm and thread pitch is 1.2500 mm/t or fine pitch
>> thread 1.0000 mm
>>
>> AN5 -24 have 24 threads per inch = tread pitch is 1.058 mm
>> and is rated 125000 psi, that is 87,9 kg/mm2 or 862 MPa That will be a 9.8
>> class metric bolt
>>
>> Table 10
>> MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARBON STEEL
>> EXTERNALLY-THREADED METRIC FASTENERS
>>
>> Property Class Designation Nominal Size of Product Material and
>> Treatment Mechanical Requirements Property Class Ident. Marking
>> Proof Load Stress, MPa Tensile Yield Strength, MPa, Min. Tensile
>> Ultimate Strength, MPa, Min. Prod. Hardness, Rockwell
>> Surface, Max. Core
>> Min. Max.
>>
>> 4.6 M5-M100 low or medium carbon steel 225 240 400 -- B67 B95 4.6
>> 4.8 M1.6-M16 low or medium carbon steel, fully or partially annealed
>> 310 340 420 -- B71 B95 4.8
>> 5.8 M5-M24 low or medium carbon steel, cold worked 380 420 520 -- B82
>> B95 5.8
>> 8.8 M16-M72 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 600 660 830
>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>> A325M Type 1 M16-M36 A325M 8S
>> 8.8 M16-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 600 660 830
>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>> A325M Type 2 A325M 8S
>> A325M Type 3 M16-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>> and tempered 600 660 830 30N56 C23 C34 A325M 8S3
>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 650 720 900
>> 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 650 720 900
>> 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>> 10.9 M5-M20 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 830 940 1040
>> 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>> 10.9 M5-M100 medium carbon alloy steel, quenched and tempered 830 940
>> 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>> A490M Type 1 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>> 10.9 M5-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 830 940 1040
>> 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>> A490M Type 2 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>> A490M Type 3 M12-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>> and tempered 830 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 A490M 10S3
>> 12.9 M1.6-M100 alloy steel, quenched and tempered 970 1100 1220 30N63
>> C38 C44 12.9
>>
>>
>>> That's surprising since the nominal sizes are:
>>>
>>> 5/16" == 0.3125"
>>> 8 mm == 0.3150"
>>>
>>> Which suggests to me that the 5/16" AN bolt would be very slightly
>>> smaller, not larger.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul A. Franz
>>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>>> Bellevue WA
>>>
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PAt,
On your 582 the B or C or E box will have 2 sets of holes
one is 1/4 " and early ones were tapped to 1/4 UNF
other is a M8 and is tapped on all gear box hubs.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
Lowell, you say you used 5/16" bolts in the 8mm bolt holes. I
originally bought 5/16 " bolts for my prop not thinking. I tried to put
one in and remembered immediately Rotax is a meteric engine. I bought
8mm bolts from Fastenal. I didn't try to force the 5/16 " bolt in. I
figured the # of threads, and pitch woukd be different enough that and
it would strip. Are you saying the 8mm and 5/16" threads are close
enough that you can use a 5/16" bolt in an 8mm tapped hole and just get
a little more interference without stripping threads?
Pa t Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I love this stuff.
I just remeasured the 8mm bolt that was sent with my first Warp Prop
- as new unused - and it measured .784mm at the head end and.779mm at
the thread end of the shank. As I said, the 5/16" bolt measured a bit
heavier .787mm at the head end and .786mm at the thread end. I can't
explain it nor do I have any inclination to try to. I simply put a
digital caliper on a couple of bolts and voila as they say somewhere in
metric land, the smaller bolt is larger and the larger bolt is smaller.
Just for fun, I measured the rest of the six unused prop bolts and the
mearurements ranged from 7.79 to 7.81 mm. I also meareured a handful of
new AN bolts and they came in between 7.87 and 7.89 with all but two of
about ten at 7.89 mm - pretty good quality control it seems.
I guess we might argue the specs from the spec sheet, but all I have
are some bolts that I can hold in my hand and mearure. And I guess I'm
just too lazy to google up the spec sheets to find what the bolts I have
should measurure - it's just too easy to put the caliper on them. As I
said in my original post, I could tell by feel that the AN bolts were
tighter in the holes. so I went with them. Now, I guess it's possible
that the bolts Warp sent with the prop were bargain basement bolts. I
have no way of knowing that after ten years.
Regarding the 8.000 mm measurements of the metric bolts, I have
never been to Europe where all this metric stuff came about, but I have
spent enough time in front of a lathe to know you simply cannot put an
8.000 mm bolt in an 8.000 mm hole. Which brings up another question, I
guess, is an 8 mm. drill really 8.0 mm or are they oversized to
accommodate the bolts?
Lowell
----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Propeller Design"
<propellerdesign@tele2.se>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
<propellerdesign@tele2.se>
A 5/16 AN5 is 7,9375 mm, on most bolts they are a bit smaller then
that
an 8 mm bolt is 8.0000 mm and thread pitch is 1.2500 mm/t or fine
pitch thread 1.0000 mm
AN5 -24 have 24 threads per inch = tread pitch is 1.058 mm
and is rated 125000 psi, that is 87,9 kg/mm2 or 862 MPa That will
be a 9.8 class metric bolt
Table 10
MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARBON STEEL
EXTERNALLY-THREADED METRIC FASTENERS
Property Class Designation Nominal Size of Product Material
and Treatment Mechanical Requirements Property Class Ident. Marking
Proof Load Stress, MPa Tensile Yield Strength, MPa, Min.
Tensile Ultimate Strength, MPa, Min. Prod. Hardness, Rockwell
Surface, Max. Core
Min. Max.
4.6 M5-M100 low or medium carbon steel 225 240 400 -- B67 B95
4.6
4.8 M1.6-M16 low or medium carbon steel, fully or partially
annealed 310 340 420 -- B71 B95 4.8
5.8 M5-M24 low or medium carbon steel, cold worked 380 420 520
-- B82 B95 5.8
8.8 M16-M72 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 600 660
830 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
A325M Type 1 M16-M36 A325M 8S
8.8 M16-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 600
660 830 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
A325M Type 2 A325M 8S
A325M Type 3 M16-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel,
quenched and tempered 600 660 830 30N56 C23 C34 A325M 8S3
9.8 M1.6-M16 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 650
720 900 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
9.8 M1.6-M16 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 650
720 900 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
10.9 M5-M20 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 830 940
1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
10.9 M5-M100 medium carbon alloy steel, quenched and tempered
830 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
A490M Type 1 M12-M36 A490M 10S
10.9 M5-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 830
940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
A490M Type 2 M12-M36 A490M 10S
A490M Type 3 M12-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel,
quenched and tempered 830 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 A490M 10S3
12.9 M1.6-M100 alloy steel, quenched and tempered 970 1100
1220 30N63 C38 C44 12.9
That's surprising since the nominal sizes are:
5/16" == 0.3125"
8 mm == 0.3150"
Which suggests to me that the 5/16" AN bolt would be very
slightly smaller, not larger.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
Dave, OK. thanks for opinion. I will drill a few extra holes but will
probably skip the filling with water. I did drill 3 drain holes in the
Lowell Fitt trim tab on the elevator. It had been out in a very light rain
and had collected some water. Lowell you might want to put out an AD to
drill drain holes in that tab.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Dave Fisher <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> I would do more than just at the hinges. The flapperons tilt inboad on
> the plane with wings folder out. Water can travel past the foam ribs as they
> are not watertight between each other.
>
> Best thing to do it fill the flapperon and see where it collects. You will
> hear it sloshing around and drill according to where it collects. Would
> that not be a surprise for you to go flying and find a heavy flapperon huh
> ?
>
> I had a wet flapperon freeze up on me a few weeks ago on a test flight.
> Really sucked to have no roll control for a bit until I broke it free.
> Woulda been fun to land with just rudder.
>
> For the record on your walkaround you should be checking all drain holes
> for water anyhow and restrictions. Justd casue you gota hole there does not
> mean you don't have water collected there. I once had afew gallons in a c
> 185 in the tail collected there , the drain holes were all clogged up woth
> bird nests etc.
>
> Dave
>
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons?
>
> Lynn, Thanks for info.That makes sense, opposite the hinge where the water
> would enter. I will drill them today.
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'll just copy here what I posted a few days earlier:
>>
>> they say a 3/16" hole "in the bottom skin aft of each hinge, about 3/4"
>> ahead of the trailing edge for a moisture drain hole." I think I was
>> thinking of the drain holes in the wing fabric. So the manual must not think
>> that's there's an appreciable amount of moisture collecting inside the
>> individual bays of the flaperon. Or they have a channel that would allow for
>> the flow of moisture between the bays/cavities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying (and learning)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>>
>> Lynn, My plane does not have drain holes in the flaperons. Seeing the
>>> openings at the bearings they could collect a significant amount of water.
>>> How many and where are the drain holes placed in the flaperons. My builders
>>> manual is at the hangar.
>>>
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>>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>>> Rockford, IL
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
How's the new intake manifold working for you?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
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Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
>
> Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack
> of holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an
> "incomplete task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of
> drilling the holes per the instructions...if there are any...he or
> she has now completed the task of "building" the flaperon, and can
> now honestly(?) say that they were the one who completed that task,
> on the road to the 51% rule. Remember that the 51% rule only compares
> tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage welded and painted from
> the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at home in the eyes
> of the governing body. At least it did when I built my
> plane........God I hate lawyers! Not you Marco....: )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:
>
>> My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of
>> an inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My
>> factory assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on
>> putting them in.
>> Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
>>
>
>
>
>
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Dave thanks for the info. I won't need to use the other ring of holes on my
C box flange. If I ever do, I will remember that one is metric and the other
SAE. I would have thought the 1/4" one was also metric.
Do not archive
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dave Fisher <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> PAt,
>
> On your 582 the B or C or E box will have 2 sets of holes
>
> one is 1/4 " and early ones were tapped to 1/4 UNF
> other is a M8 and is tapped on all gear box hubs.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
>
> Lowell, you say you used 5/16" bolts in the 8mm bolt holes. I originally
> bought 5/16 " bolts for my prop not thinking. I tried to put one in and
> remembered immediately Rotax is a meteric engine. I bought 8mm bolts from
> Fastenal. I didn't try to force the 5/16 " bolt in. I figured the # of
> threads, and pitch woukd be different enough that and it would strip. Are
> you saying the 8mm and 5/16" threads are close enough that you can use a
> 5/16" bolt in an 8mm tapped hole and just get a little more interference
> without stripping threads?
>
> Pa t Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> I love this stuff.
>>
>> I just remeasured the 8mm bolt that was sent with my first Warp Prop - as
>> new unused - and it measured .784mm at the head end and.779mm at the thread
>> end of the shank. As I said, the 5/16" bolt measured a bit heavier .787mm
>> at the head end and .786mm at the thread end. I can't explain it nor do I
>> have any inclination to try to. I simply put a digital caliper on a couple
>> of bolts and voila as they say somewhere in metric land, the smaller bolt is
>> larger and the larger bolt is smaller. Just for fun, I measured the rest of
>> the six unused prop bolts and the mearurements ranged from 7.79 to 7.81 mm.
>> I also meareured a handful of new AN bolts and they came in between 7.87 and
>> 7.89 with all but two of about ten at 7.89 mm - pretty good quality control
>> it seems.
>>
>> I guess we might argue the specs from the spec sheet, but all I have are
>> some bolts that I can hold in my hand and mearure. And I guess I'm just
>> too lazy to google up the spec sheets to find what the bolts I have should
>> measurure - it's just too easy to put the caliper on them. As I said in my
>> original post, I could tell by feel that the AN bolts were tighter in the
>> holes. so I went with them. Now, I guess it's possible that the bolts Warp
>> sent with the prop were bargain basement bolts. I have no way of knowing
>> that after ten years.
>>
>> Regarding the 8.000 mm measurements of the metric bolts, I have never been
>> to Europe where all this metric stuff came about, but I have spent enough
>> time in front of a lathe to know you simply cannot put an 8.000 mm bolt in
>> an 8.000 mm hole. Which brings up another question, I guess, is an 8 mm.
>> drill really 8.0 mm or are they oversized to accommodate the bolts?
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Propeller Design" <
>> propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
>>
>>
>>> propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>>>
>>>
>>> A 5/16 AN5 is 7,9375 mm, on most bolts they are a bit smaller then that
>>>
>>> an 8 mm bolt is 8.0000 mm and thread pitch is 1.2500 mm/t or fine pitch
>>> thread 1.0000 mm
>>>
>>> AN5 -24 have 24 threads per inch = tread pitch is 1.058 mm
>>> and is rated 125000 psi, that is 87,9 kg/mm2 or 862 MPa That will be a
>>> 9.8 class metric bolt
>>>
>>> Table 10
>>> MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARBON STEEL
>>> EXTERNALLY-THREADED METRIC FASTENERS
>>>
>>> Property Class Designation Nominal Size of Product Material and
>>> Treatment Mechanical Requirements Property Class Ident. Marking
>>> Proof Load Stress, MPa Tensile Yield Strength, MPa, Min. Tensile
>>> Ultimate Strength, MPa, Min. Prod. Hardness, Rockwell
>>> Surface, Max. Core
>>> Min. Max.
>>>
>>> 4.6 M5-M100 low or medium carbon steel 225 240 400 -- B67 B95 4.6
>>> 4.8 M1.6-M16 low or medium carbon steel, fully or partially annealed
>>> 310 340 420 -- B71 B95 4.8
>>> 5.8 M5-M24 low or medium carbon steel, cold worked 380 420 520 -- B82
>>> B95 5.8
>>> 8.8 M16-M72 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 600 660 830
>>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>>> A325M Type 1 M16-M36 A325M 8S
>>> 8.8 M16-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 600 660 830
>>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>>> A325M Type 2 A325M 8S
>>> A325M Type 3 M16-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>>> and tempered 600 660 830 30N56 C23 C34 A325M 8S3
>>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 650 720 900
>>> 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 650 720
>>> 900 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>>> 10.9 M5-M20 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 830 940 1040
>>> 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>>> 10.9 M5-M100 medium carbon alloy steel, quenched and tempered 830 940
>>> 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>>> A490M Type 1 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>>> 10.9 M5-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 830 940
>>> 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>>> A490M Type 2 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>>> A490M Type 3 M12-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>>> and tempered 830 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 A490M 10S3
>>> 12.9 M1.6-M100 alloy steel, quenched and tempered 970 1100 1220 30N63
>>> C38 C44 12.9
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's surprising since the nominal sizes are:
>>>>
>>>> 5/16" == 0.3125"
>>>> 8 mm == 0.3150"
>>>>
>>>> Which suggests to me that the 5/16" AN bolt would be very slightly
>>>> smaller, not larger.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul A. Franz
>>>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>>>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>>>> Bellevue WA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused to give
flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a couple of them as
students and they already knew everything. I didn't know Marco was a lawyer.
Gee, he seems like a nice enough guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or
something. What kind of a lawyer are you Marco?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
>
> Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
> How's the new intake manifold working for you?
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
>
>
>>
>> Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack of
>> holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an "incomplete
>> task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of drilling the holes
>> per the instructions...if there are any...he or she has now completed the
>> task of "building" the flaperon, and can now honestly(?) say that they were
>> the one who completed that task, on the road to the 51% rule. Remember that
>> the 51% rule only compares tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage
>> welded and painted from the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at
>> home in the eyes of the governing body. At least it did when I built my
>> plane........God I hate lawyers! Not you Marco....: )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying (and learning)
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:
>>
>> My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of an
>>> inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My factory assembled
>>> flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on putting them in.
>>> Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 owners show me some Oil reservoirs |
Tom, My rectangular tank has the outlet in the middle of the bottom. I
mounted my tank slightly on an angle. I did so because that is where the
mounting bolts would fit through the firewall, be accessible and miss the
frame..
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> Here's an update on what I did. I also have a couple more questions about
> mounting the oil tank. My builder's manual is for a 503 and does not cover
> oil tanks.
>
> Attached are three photos. The tank is from a Ski Doo. the price was
> right and it came with all the fittings and a low level warning float and
> switch. Notice that there is a "Sump" that the bottom fitting sits in.
>
> I notice on the photos I have seen of the rectangular tanks on Kitfoxes
> that they are mounted at an angle. I figured this was to make one bottom
> corner a low point for the fitting to prevent unporting. So, I mounted my
> tank at an angle with the fitting being on the low bottom corner.
>
> I looked at those photos again and see that the one Dave posted a link to
> in another thread
> http://www.rotaxaircraft.com/forum/download/file.php?id=210&mode=viewshows the fitting is on the high bottom corner not the low one.
>
> Can someone with a manual that covers this take a look and let me know what
> it says about this, if anything.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282584#282584
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
Hi Deke-
Got snow?
The intake is working great, but in building it, I increased the
plenum size, and that apparently had the effect of making it a higher
rpm manifold. I was flying yesterday and at about 2850-2880 rpm, I
had an EGT spread of as low as 12 degrees F apart, and the CHT's were
within about 19 F. I had them that close with the original Jabiru
intake manifold, but the rpm was down around 2750. Of course, cold
weather set in, and that might have monkeyed up the works.
I wasn't real happy with the manifold at first, but I've gotten used
to using a higher rpm, and the fuel usage of 3.6-3.9 is pretty good
at 2880 rpm, too.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:44 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
> How's the new intake manifold working for you?
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
Marco is too nice a guy to be a lawyer...he's gotta be pullin' our
legs. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused
> to give flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a
> couple of them as students and they already knew everything. I
> didn't know Marco was a lawyer. Gee, he seems like a nice enough
> guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or something. What kind of a
> lawyer are you Marco?
> do not archive
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
> How's the new intake manifold working for you?
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
>
>
>
> Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the
> lack of holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now
> an "incomplete task", and when the homebuilder completes the task
> of drilling the holes per the instructions...if there are any...he
> or she has now completed the task of "building" the flaperon, and
> can now honestly(?) say that they were the one who completed that
> task, on the road to the 51% rule. Remember that the 51% rule only
> compares tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage welded and
> painted from the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at
> home in the eyes of the governing body. At least it did when I
> built my plane........God I hate lawyers! Not you Marco....: )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:
>
> My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of
> an inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My
> factory assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on
> putting them in.
> Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
>
>
> s.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> ====
>
>
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Skiplane fly-in cancelled |
I just got word that Oshkosh has cancelled the annual Skiplane fly-in
for this year....bad weather predicted. So all you Kitfoxers out
there that were planning on it...don't. I was, but now am not.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
Sounds to me like it ain't broke! Good job.
The cold weather has quite an effect, especially when compared to summer
time.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
>
> Hi Deke-
> Got snow?
>
> The intake is working great, but in building it, I increased the plenum
> size, and that apparently had the effect of making it a higher rpm
> manifold. I was flying yesterday and at about 2850-2880 rpm, I had an EGT
> spread of as low as 12 degrees F apart, and the CHT's were within about
> 19 F. I had them that close with the original Jabiru intake manifold,
> but the rpm was down around 2750. Of course, cold weather set in, and
> that might have monkeyed up the works.
> I wasn't real happy with the manifold at first, but I've gotten used to
> using a higher rpm, and the fuel usage of 3.6-3.9 is pretty good at 2880
> rpm, too.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:44 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
>> How's the new intake manifold working for you?
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain Holes in Wings |
I heard they all are required to take acting classes to get though the Bar.
:-)
D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
>
> Marco is too nice a guy to be a lawyer...he's gotta be pullin' our legs.
> : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
>> Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused to
>> give flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a couple of
>> them as students and they already knew everything. I didn't know Marco
>> was a lawyer. Gee, he seems like a nice enough guy? Maybe he is a patent
>> lawyer or something. What kind of a lawyer are you Marco?
>> do not archive
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
>> How's the new intake manifold working for you?
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
>>
>>
>>
>> Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack of
>> holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an "incomplete
>> task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of drilling the
>> holes per the instructions...if there are any...he or she has now
>> completed the task of "building" the flaperon, and can now honestly(?)
>> say that they were the one who completed that task, on the road to the
>> 51% rule. Remember that the 51% rule only compares tasks, not magnitude
>> of tasks....a fuselage welded and painted from the factory equals a
>> rudder pedal bracket built at home in the eyes of the governing body.
>> At least it did when I built my plane........God I hate lawyers!
>> Not you Marco....: )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying (and learning)
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:
>>
>> My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of an
>> inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My factory
>> assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on putting them in.
>> Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> s.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">http://
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> ====
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 owners show me some Oil reservoirs |
> Tom, My rectangular tank has the outlet in the middle of the bottom. I mounted
my tank slightly on an angle. I did so because that is wherethe mountingbolts
would fit through the firewall, be accessible and miss the frame..
>
> Pat Reilly
Thanks pat. I think I will redo mine so it sits level. I got to thinking about
the outlet unporting and realized the oil will stay put across the tank if I
fly coordinated anyhow. Besides, the sump where the outlet is will hold four
ounces, if half spills out of that I still have about 10 minutes worth of oil
over the outlet.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
I guess I did it different from everyone else. I drilled three holes in each flaperon
hinge bay so if it is on a slope when it rains they will still drain.
Use a wire to measure from the hinge opening the distance to the rib and drill
a hole right next to it.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Hi Pat,
I just talked to Dick Maddox on the phone and I guess there are some
differences in prop flanges on the Rotax engines. My Prop flange doesn't
have threaded holes nor did my first R-912. There are essentially three
hole patterns, the 8 mm inner patern then progressively larger holes
presumably for the bushed bolts Dick mentioned on his original Warp prop.
To clarify, I was supplied with 9 mm bolts with castle nuts for the original
installation. These were for a slip fit through the prop hub and engine
flange with nut fasteners. I found that these bolts were a bit short so
shopped for longer bolts. I tried some 5/16" bolts I had and found that
they were a bit tighter in the through holes and used them. The threads
were not an issue except between bolt and nut.
I too find it curious that the larger bolts have a smaller diameter than the
smaller bolts, but a simple digital measurement with bolts on hand
re-conirmed this.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
> Lowell, you say you used 5/16" bolts in the 8mm bolt holes. I originally
> bought 5/16 " bolts for my prop not thinking. I tried to put one in and
> remembered immediately Rotax is a meteric engine. I bought 8mm bolts from
> Fastenal. I didn't try to force the 5/16 " bolt in. I figured the # of
> threads, and pitch woukd be different enough that and it would strip. Are
> you saying the 8mm and 5/16" threads are close enough that you can use a
> 5/16" bolt in an 8mm tapped hole and just get a little more interference
> without stripping threads?
>
> Pa t Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I love this stuff.
>>
>> I just remeasured the 8mm bolt that was sent with my first Warp Prop - as
>> new unused - and it measured .784mm at the head end and.779mm at the
>> thread
>> end of the shank. As I said, the 5/16" bolt measured a bit heavier
>> .787mm
>> at the head end and .786mm at the thread end. I can't explain it nor do
>> I
>> have any inclination to try to. I simply put a digital caliper on a
>> couple
>> of bolts and voila as they say somewhere in metric land, the smaller bolt
>> is
>> larger and the larger bolt is smaller. Just for fun, I measured the rest
>> of
>> the six unused prop bolts and the mearurements ranged from 7.79 to 7.81
>> mm.
>> I also meareured a handful of new AN bolts and they came in between 7.87
>> and
>> 7.89 with all but two of about ten at 7.89 mm - pretty good quality
>> control
>> it seems.
>>
>> I guess we might argue the specs from the spec sheet, but all I have are
>> some bolts that I can hold in my hand and mearure. And I guess I'm just
>> too lazy to google up the spec sheets to find what the bolts I have
>> should
>> measurure - it's just too easy to put the caliper on them. As I said in
>> my
>> original post, I could tell by feel that the AN bolts were tighter in the
>> holes. so I went with them. Now, I guess it's possible that the bolts
>> Warp
>> sent with the prop were bargain basement bolts. I have no way of knowing
>> that after ten years.
>>
>> Regarding the 8.000 mm measurements of the metric bolts, I have never
>> been
>> to Europe where all this metric stuff came about, but I have spent enough
>> time in front of a lathe to know you simply cannot put an 8.000 mm bolt
>> in
>> an 8.000 mm hole. Which brings up another question, I guess, is an 8 mm.
>> drill really 8.0 mm or are they oversized to accommodate the bolts?
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Propeller Design" <
>> propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kiev prop
>>
>>
>>> propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>>>
>>>
>>> A 5/16 AN5 is 7,9375 mm, on most bolts they are a bit smaller then that
>>>
>>> an 8 mm bolt is 8.0000 mm and thread pitch is 1.2500 mm/t or fine pitch
>>> thread 1.0000 mm
>>>
>>> AN5 -24 have 24 threads per inch = tread pitch is 1.058 mm
>>> and is rated 125000 psi, that is 87,9 kg/mm2 or 862 MPa That will be a
>>> 9.8
>>> class metric bolt
>>>
>>> Table 10
>>> MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARBON STEEL
>>> EXTERNALLY-THREADED METRIC FASTENERS
>>>
>>> Property Class Designation Nominal Size of Product Material and
>>> Treatment Mechanical Requirements Property Class Ident. Marking
>>> Proof Load Stress, MPa Tensile Yield Strength, MPa, Min. Tensile
>>> Ultimate Strength, MPa, Min. Prod. Hardness, Rockwell
>>> Surface, Max. Core
>>> Min. Max.
>>>
>>> 4.6 M5-M100 low or medium carbon steel 225 240 400 -- B67 B95 4.6
>>> 4.8 M1.6-M16 low or medium carbon steel, fully or partially annealed
>>> 310 340 420 -- B71 B95 4.8
>>> 5.8 M5-M24 low or medium carbon steel, cold worked 380 420 520 --
>>> B82
>>> B95 5.8
>>> 8.8 M16-M72 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 600 660 830
>>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>>> A325M Type 1 M16-M36 A325M 8S
>>> 8.8 M16-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 600 660
>>> 830
>>> 30N56 C23 C34 8.8
>>> A325M Type 2 A325M 8S
>>> A325M Type 3 M16-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>>> and tempered 600 660 830 30N56 C23 C34 A325M 8S3
>>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 650 720 900
>>> 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>>> 9.8 M1.6-M16 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 650 720
>>> 900
>>> 30N58 C27 C36 9.8
>>> 10.9 M5-M20 medium carbon steel, quenched and tempered 830 940 1040
>>> 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>>> 10.9 M5-M100 medium carbon alloy steel, quenched and tempered 830
>>> 940
>>> 1040 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>>> A490M Type 1 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>>> 10.9 M5-M36 low carbon boron steel, quenched and tempered 830 940
>>> 1040
>>> 30N59 C33 C39 10.9
>>> A490M Type 2 M12-M36 A490M 10S
>>> A490M Type 3 M12-M36 atmospheric corrosion resistant steel, quenched
>>> and tempered 830 940 1040 30N59 C33 C39 A490M 10S3
>>> 12.9 M1.6-M100 alloy steel, quenched and tempered 970 1100 1220
>>> 30N63
>>> C38 C44 12.9
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's surprising since the nominal sizes are:
>>>>
>>>> 5/16" == 0.3125"
>>>> 8 mm == 0.3150"
>>>>
>>>> Which suggests to me that the 5/16" AN bolt would be very slightly
>>>> smaller, not larger.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul A. Franz
>>>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>>>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>>>> Bellevue WA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge |
Dick,
I just in from flying , before I took off I saw something under the dash that look
askew. Was the plug from the Navman hanging there LOL
plugged it back together went flying............. it works LoL
I guess you never did jinx it.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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| Subject: | Compression tester |
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94190&
?utm_source=internet_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=0410B&utm_
content=v2&r=7598_70903
Just in case any of you are tired of borrowing a leak down tester for
your compression tests, check this one from Harbor Freight.
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Compression tester |
Deke-
I've thought about those testers for a long time, and wondered if
they have the .040" master orifice included. As I understand it, a
master orifice of that size is required for pistons of under 5"
diameter, which would include most American cars, and probably most
small airplane engines. Is anybody up to speed on this topic?
If those testers are as good as some of the stuff that I've got from
Harbor Freight, that is an excellent buy.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:33 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?
> itemnumber=94190&?
> utm_source=internet_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=0410B&utm_cont
> ent=v2&r=7598_70903
>
> Just in case any of you are tired of borrowing a leak down tester
> for your compression tests, check this one from Harbor Freight.
> Deke
>
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| Subject: | Re: Compression tester |
Funny you mention this as I just purchased this last night, and then broke
it at first use! The directions say to plug into air compressor, then plug
into spark plug hole, then adjust the regulator until the leak gauge gets t
o zero. This is incorrect as you need to adjust the leak down gauge to zero
before connecting to spark plug hole.
Mine broke because I cranked the input pressure to 87psi, expecting the lea
k down gauge to be the same. It's not. the leak down gauge is only 15 psi m
ax. If you crank the regulator past 20psi, the leak down needle will break,
as mine did.
Scott
--- On Thu, 1/21/10, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Compression tester
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A-=0Ahttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.ta
f?itemnumber=94190&?utm_source=internet_email&utm_medium=email&utm_ca
mpaign=0410B&utm_content=v2&r=7598_70903=0A-=0AJust in case any of
you are tired of borrowing a =0Aleak down tester for your compression tests
, check this one from Harbor =0AFreight.=0ADeke=0A-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Compression tester |
If it doesn't have the correct size all you need do is tailor it. I little
brazing of the current one and drill it to size. I bought one of these
about ten years ago and still works fine.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Compression tester
>
> Deke-
> I've thought about those testers for a long time, and wondered if they
> have the .040" master orifice included. As I understand it, a master
> orifice of that size is required for pistons of under 5" diameter, which
> would include most American cars, and probably most small airplane
> engines. Is anybody up to speed on this topic?
>
> If those testers are as good as some of the stuff that I've got from
> Harbor Freight, that is an excellent buy.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:33 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf? itemnumber=94190&?
>> utm_source=internet_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=0410B&utm_cont
>> ent=v2&r=7598_70903
>>
>> Just in case any of you are tired of borrowing a leak down tester for
>> your compression tests, check this one from Harbor Freight.
>> Deke
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| Subject: | Drain Holes in Wings |
Your remark reminded me of when my father, a doctor, started his flying
lessons. He stole an hour one afternoon to go flying... on the way to the
airport his car started to drift across to the left side of the road and
while thinking about the flying he started applying "right rudder". He was
at almost full right rudder when he hit the back of a garbage truck. I
guess it's like father love son... Several times on nice days when I get to
a straight stretch of open road I find myself pulling back on the wheel... J
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly
Sent: January 21, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused to give
flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a couple of them as
students and they already knew everything. I didn't know Marco was a lawyer.
Gee, he seems like a nice enough guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or
something. What kind of a lawyer are you Marco?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way.
How's the new intake manifold working for you?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings
Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack of
holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an "incomplete
task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of drilling the holes
per the instructions...if there are any...he or she has now completed the
task of "building" the flaperon, and can now honestly(?) say that they were
the one who completed that task, on the road to the 51% rule. Remember that
the 51% rule only compares tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage
welded and painted from the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at
home in the eyes of the governing body. At least it did when I built my
plane........God I hate lawyers! Not you Marco....: )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:
My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of an inch
in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My factory assembled
flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on putting them in.
Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.
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| Subject: | Re: Compression tester |
On Thu, January 21, 2010 1:33 pm, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94190&?utm_source=internet_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=0410B&utm_content=v2&r=7598_70903
>
> Just in case any of you are tired of borrowing a leak down tester for your compression
> tests, check this one from Harbor Freight.
> Deke
We have a huge Harbor Freight store very near us so I have bought several items
now. I
have come to realize that most are very low quality Chinese manufactured goods.
One
item, a propane powered radiant heater, failed to start from new. Pilot light would
go
out without starting main burner. Returned it and checked out a new one at the
store.
Loose parts fell out of the box. The third one seems to work but blows out with
the
slightest breeze, I mean a whisper will blow it out. I bought some impact sockets
-
marked Heavy Duty Commercial Use. The first one I tried split, second one just
rounded
out. I bought a small gear puller to remove a pressed on flywheel. The main arms
bent
while tightening the first use.
So, I guess, I am not too confident that what you get there will work very well.
We have another tool store called Tool Town and I have had very good luck with
them
over the years. Bought a lot of No. 30 twist drills from them. They seem to have
higher quality stuff although more expensive than Harbor Freight.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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| Subject: | Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge |
May be ethanol on the transducer... sorry coudn't resist.... like I tried J
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fisher
Sent: January 20, 2010 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge
Dick ok, just went for a quick flight
-7 C here today and still shows zero
oh well
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From: Dave Fisher <mailto:dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge
Will go flying later today
I had this afew times before with it cleared up
this time ? no idea
Wil let you know
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Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge
Dave,
I am sorry to hear about the failure in your gauge but in some ways I am
going ...Yessssss ! The old adage "misery loves company" is true in this
case. I hate being the only one that ever has a problem with a product.(it
has been that way lately)
Perhaps voodoo did have something to do with it.
Anyway, I do hope you find the problem and if it is a jammed rotor in the
transducer, tell Northstar about it.
My transducer was mounted perfectly vertical as per the instructions and
both of them failed in short order
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
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I have started a new website to share pictures of general aviation aircraft.
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taken from it. It is still in the building phase and the picture database
is still being worked on but I am adding new pages all the time. If you
have a few min check it out and let me know what you think. (Off list of
coarse) there are email links on the site. Also any suggestions would be
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