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1. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Propeller Best for Kitfox IV Classic (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: Propeller Best for Kitfox IV Classic (Lowell Fitt)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours (Lynn Matteson)
5. 08:45 AM - Removing ethanol from gasoline (Pete Christensen)
6. 09:02 AM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Marwynne Kuhn)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Marco Menezes)
8. 10:27 AM - Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours (Patrick Reilly)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Pete Christensen)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Pete Christensen)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours (Lynn Matteson)
12. 11:27 AM - Re: water temps for a 582 (Mnflyer)
13. 11:32 AM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Vic Baker)
14. 11:45 AM - Re: water temps for a 582 (mikeperkins)
15. 01:22 PM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Noel Loveys)
16. 01:34 PM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Noel Loveys)
17. 01:48 PM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Pete Christensen)
18. 03:05 PM - Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours (Patrick Reilly)
19. 05:43 PM - Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Roger Lee)
20. 06:53 PM - 1,000 Hrs. (James Missler)
21. 07:34 PM - Re: 1,000 Hrs. (Lynn Matteson)
22. 07:59 PM - Re: 1,000 Hrs. (James Missler)
23. 08:21 PM - AirVenture (Weiss Richard)
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours |
Congrats Lynn ! The guy in the underwear made it !
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller Best for Kitfox IV Classic |
Lee,
This is an interesting subject. I had the Warp on my Kitfox and removed it
for the Kiev. I was told that I would get better, smoother and quieter
operation then the Warp. I saw it on some Highlanders and was thrilled with its
beauty ! (still am) Its about 1 lb lighter than the Warp.
However after several pitch changes with it I have found it to be no
better in speed than my Warp was. It is however turbine smooth and extremely
quiet! It has to be much easier on the gearbox as they claim. It is a dramatic
difference! Most aircraft have a speed increase with this propeller. As an
example a Paradise P1 in our area with a smooth cowling had a 5mph speed
increase going from a Warp to the Kiev. It is fast anyway. I believe the reason
I
didn't get an increase is due to the radial cowl on my Kitfox. The twist on
the Kiev starts real early as you move away from the hub. This jams air
down the open radial cowl thus increasing drag. My oil temp dropped almost 10
degrees when I put the Kiev on the plane.
I am going to keep my Kiev as I do like its smoothness and have not lost
performance.
I have come to believe,however,that the Ivo might be the best overall prop
in terms of speed as it is flexible. It sure isn't pretty though. Looks
like a model airplane propeller and has stick on tape leading edges rather than
a nice inlay as on the Warp (brass on the Kiev)
The Warp is a really tough prop, made well. I have mine hanging on the
wall of my hanger in case I were to decide to go back to it in case I broke a
blade or something on the Kiev.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller Best for Kitfox IV Classic |
Dick,
Interesting report on the Kiev vs. the Warp. The trim on the Ivo being
wholly in the end of the prop might the reason it is so well received.
With the big round air scoop in the Model IV, the flexible tip might be
just the thing. Leave the air alone over the hole. More to think about
as I am getting ready to make that decision. Thanks for the
observation.
Lowell
From: Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Propeller Best for Kitfox IV Classic
Lee,
This is an interesting subject. I had the Warp on my Kitfox and removed
it for the Kiev. I was told that I would get better, smoother and
quieter operation then the Warp. I saw it on some Highlanders and was
thrilled with its beauty ! (still am) Its about 1 lb lighter than the
Warp.
However after several pitch changes with it I have found it to be no
better in speed than my Warp was. It is however turbine smooth and
extremely quiet! It has to be much easier on the gearbox as they claim.
It is a dramatic difference! Most aircraft have a speed increase with
this propeller. As an example a Paradise P1 in our area with a smooth
cowling had a 5mph speed increase going from a Warp to the Kiev. It is
fast anyway. I believe the reason I didn't get an increase is due to the
radial cowl on my Kitfox. The twist on the Kiev starts real early as you
move away from the hub. This jams air down the open radial cowl thus
increasing drag. My oil temp dropped almost 10 degrees when I put the
Kiev on the plane.
I am going to keep my Kiev as I do like its smoothness and have not
lost performance.
I have come to believe,however,that the Ivo might be the best overall
prop in terms of speed as it is flexible. It sure isn't pretty though.
Looks like a model airplane propeller and has stick on tape leading
edges rather than a nice inlay as on the Warp (brass on the Kiev)
The Warp is a really tough prop, made well. I have mine hanging on the
wall of my hanger in case I were to decide to go back to it in case I
broke a blade or something on the Kiev.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours |
Those were shorts, Dick....but thanks. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
do not archive
On Jul 8, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Congrats Lynn ! The guy in the underwear made it !
> Dick Maddux
> Milton,Fl
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline without
ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away without
any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but buying
the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that difficult.
I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have
corresponded with a few of you online.
Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy used
for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line at
the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol into
the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin separation from
the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from the mix and I
mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom of cleaned
gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the top of the
water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid siphoning up any
water. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.) I
can continue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the process starts all over
again. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the
water/ethanol from the bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter
Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no
detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour with
no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am
doing.
Pete
Kitfox III SN 1000
912
Grove
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Did you think of how effected the Octane Rating ? Just a concern. The ethanol
was add in place of other octane boosters.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
>
> Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
>
> In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline without
> ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away without
> any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but buying
> the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that difficult.
>
> I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have
> corresponded with a few of you online.
>
> Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy used
> for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line at
> the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol into
> the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin separation from
> the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from the mix and I
> mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom of cleaned
> gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the top of the
> water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid siphoning up any
> water. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.) I
> can continue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the process starts all over
> again. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the
> water/ethanol from the bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
>
> I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter
> Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no
> detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
>
> I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
>
> I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour with
> no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
>
> I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am
> doing.
>
> Pete
>
> Kitfox III SN 1000
>
> 912
>
> Grove
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
NOW I understand why-ethanol-free gas costs so much more at the pump! ;-)
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
Hersey, Michigan
-
do not archive
--- On Thu, 7/8/10, Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
From: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
n.rr.com>
Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline without
ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away without
any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but buying
the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that difficult
.
I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have corres
ponded with a few of you online.
Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy used
for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line at
the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol into
the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin separation fro
m the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from the mix and I
mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom of cleaned gasol
ine. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the top of the water
/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid siphoning up any water
. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.) I can c
ontinue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the process starts all over aga
in. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the water/et
hanol from the bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter Funn
el, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no detectable
water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour with
no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am do
ing.
Pete
Kitfox III SN 1000
912
Grove
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours |
Lynn, I'll introduce you to Red Hamilton in Oshkosh and you can ask him.
What's your Oshkosh schedule? There is a Tailwind flyin in Baraboo WI at Jim
Clement's Sat July 24th. The Tailwinds marshall up there on the way to
Osh. I drive up there Saturday morning, sleep in my van and head to Oshkosh
Sun morning. You might enjoy the Baraboo event. Clement has built 12
Tailwinds and they usually have a seminar.. That is the same number but he
finished all 12.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 REBUILT
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> That's a pretty high number, Pat....makes one wonder why it went through so
> many hands....
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, Red Hamilton from CA, Tailwind owner, and Oshkosh race winner last
>> year when asked if he built his plane replys, "I'm the 12th owner and 1st
>> finisher of the plane". I don't know maybe that's a record.
>> do not archive
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm the 4th owner, but the one who completed the remaining 80-85 % of the
>> work, and (because I wasn't a pilot at the time) watched it fly for the
>> first time. I got my (continued) flight training in it starting at the 40th
>> hour of its' life. : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1000.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
>>
>>
>> Congratulations Lynn!! Have you owned it since new?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:28 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours
>>
>>
>> For those of you who care about such things, Kitfox N369LM just
>> passed 1000 hours of flight.
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1000.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
>> ist Un/Subscription,
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>> ====
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
>>
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
My 912 is an older lower compression engine. Regular unleaded car gas runs
just fine so that when hi-test looses a little octane no problem.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@windstream.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
> <marwynne@windstream.net>
>
> Did you think of how effected the Octane Rating ? Just a concern. The
> ethanol was add in place of other octane boosters.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:43 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
>
>
>> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>>
>> Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
>>
>> In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline
>> without
>> ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away
>> without
>> any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but buying
>> the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that
>> difficult.
>>
>> I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have
>> corresponded with a few of you online.
>>
>> Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy
>> used
>> for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line
>> at
>> the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol
>> into
>> the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin separation
>> from
>> the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from the mix and I
>> mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom of cleaned
>> gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the top of
>> the
>> water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid siphoning up
>> any
>> water. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.)
>> I
>> can continue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the process starts all
>> over
>> again. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the
>> water/ethanol from the bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
>>
>> I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter
>> Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no
>> detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
>>
>> I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
>>
>> I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour
>> with
>> no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
>>
>> I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am
>> doing.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> Kitfox III SN 1000
>>
>> 912
>>
>> Grove
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Good point Marco! Imagine the size of the carboy they use.
Pete
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
NOW I understand why ethanol-free gas costs so much more at the
pump! ;-)
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
Hersey, Michigan
do not archive
--- On Thu, 7/8/10, Pete Christensen
<pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for
gasoline without ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours
drive away without any nearby airport. I could load up my van with
5-gallon cans, but buying the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my
van would make that difficult.
I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet
and have corresponded with a few of you online.
Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon
carboy used for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and
marked a line at the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of
high-test gasohol into the jug. The pouring action stimulates the
ethanol to begin separation from the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol
has separated from the mix and I mark a new line that indicates the new
level of the bottom of cleaned gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the
cleaned gasoline off the top of the water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so
of good gas to avoid siphoning up any water. (Note I do NOT pour the out
this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.) I can continue pouring gasohol
into the carboy and the process starts all over again. After a gallon or
two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the water/ethanol from the
bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel
Fuel Filter Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I
found no detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my
tank.
I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than
an hour with no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing
what I am doing.
Pete
Kitfox III ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"
target=_blank>http://www.matronicbsp; -->
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours |
Not cast in stone yet, because I've got a couple of things in the
making before Osh. I'll let you know it the Baraboo thing works out.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
do not archive
On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I'll introduce you to Red Hamilton in Oshkosh and you can ask
> him. What's your Oshkosh schedule? There is a Tailwind flyin in
> Baraboo WI at Jim Clement's Sat July 24th. The Tailwinds marshall
> up there on the way to Osh. I drive up there Saturday morning,
> sleep in my van and head to Oshkosh Sun morning. You might enjoy
> the Baraboo event. Clement has built 12 Tailwinds and they usually
> have a seminar.. That is the same number but he finished all 12.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 REBUILT
> Rockford, IL
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote:
>
> That's a pretty high number, Pat....makes one wonder why it went
> through so many hands....
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, Red Hamilton from CA, Tailwind owner, and Oshkosh race winner
> last year when asked if he built his plane replys, "I'm the 12th
> owner and 1st finisher of the plane". I don't know maybe that's a
> record.
> do not archive
> Pat Reilly
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm the 4th owner, but the one who completed the remaining 80-85 %
> of the work, and (because I wasn't a pilot at the time) watched it
> fly for the first time. I got my (continued) flight training in it
> starting at the 40th hour of its' life. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1000.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
>
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> Congratulations Lynn!! Have you owned it since new?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:28 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours
>
>
> For those of you who care about such things, Kitfox N369LM just
> passed 1000 hours of flight.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1000.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
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| Subject: | Re: water temps for a 582 |
More than likely the cooling system air locked this was one of the problems with
the gray head engines, this was one of the main things the blue head addressed.
Had this happen on mine a couple of time and it cleared itself every time
and never had any other problems. This generally happens if the engine has not
been run for a time.
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MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Take care, Pete. The ethanol replaces MTBE which brings the octane number
back into spec. You probably will not hear engine detonation (pinging) due
to all the other noise. Burned pistons and valves could be the result.
Especially if your Rotax is the 912S.
Here's what I'm presently doing: If the premium fuel has no more that 5%
ethanol I go ahead and use it, so far no problems. (my fuel tanks are 2003
vintage and the fuel lines are now SAE J30R9) If the fuel contains more
than 5% ethanol I add 100LL as needed to bring the percentage back to 5%.
Decalin additive is used with the 100LL and oil changes are at 25 hrs.
Hope this helps.
Vic
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
> Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
>
> In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline
> without ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away
> without any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but
> buying the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that
> difficult.
>
> I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have
> corresponded with a few of you online.
>
> Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy used
> for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line at
> the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol
> into the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin
> separation from the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from
> the mix and I mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom
> of cleaned gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the
> top of the water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid
> siphoning up any water. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol
> from the jug.) I can continue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the
> process starts all over again. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol
> builds up, I siphon the water/ethanol from the bottom of the jug and add a
> little more water.
>
> I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter
> Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no
> detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
>
> I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
>
> I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour
> with no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
>
> I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am
> doing.
>
> Pete
>
> Kitfox III SN 1000
>
> 912
>
> Grove
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: water temps for a 582 |
I am very glad you reminded me - forgot about that. I had air in my engine's head,
and it wound up with a steam pocket that grew. I returned to the field immediately.
By the time I'd gotten to the hanger, half of the coolant had steamed
overboard. I'd bled the system just an hour before, but there must have been
another air pocket somewhere that wound up in the head.
Bleeding the system involves tipping the nose down (by lifting the tail) until
coolant starts filling the head vent hose. Then the vent hose is connected to
the fitting on the coolant fill neck.
- Mike
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| Subject: | Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Pete it sounds to me like you are doing things properly. The next step
would be to reduce the amount of AVGAS in your mix just in case your engine
can't take the lower octane level fuel. Being the CR of the Rotax engines
isn't extreme I doubt you will have any problems.
BTW distil our leftover water alcohol mix to around 50C for fuel for your
fondu warmer or camp stove. Other leftovers will probably make good weed
killer and is bio degradeable.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: July 8, 2010 1:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
<pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline without
ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away without
any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but buying
the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that difficult.
I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have
corresponded with a few of you online.
Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy used
for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line at
the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol into
the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin separation from
the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from the mix and I
mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom of cleaned
gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the top of the
water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid siphoning up any
water. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.) I
can continue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the process starts all over
again. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the
water/ethanol from the bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter
Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no
detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour with
no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am
doing.
Pete
Kitfox III SN 1000
912
Grove
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| Subject: | Removing ethanol from gasoline |
How's that... Ethanol is added to the gas as it leaves the distributor...
It doesn't have to be separated... Just not added in the first place. The
ethanol in fact costs more than 4 times the cost of the gas to grow and
process. That means that gas not contaminated with ethanol should be
considerably cheaper.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: July 8, 2010 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
NOW I understand why ethanol-free gas costs so much more at the pump! ;-)
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
Hersey, Michigan
do not archive
--- On Thu, 7/8/10, Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
From: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
<pchristensen10@austin.rr.com
<http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
Here is my experience with removing ethanol from gasoline.
In the North Austin, Texas area I have found no source for gasoline without
ethanol. The nearest I have found is more than an hours drive away without
any nearby airport. I could load up my van with 5-gallon cans, but buying
the cans and the cost of time and fuel for my van would make that difficult.
I have read everything I can on the subject on the Internet and have
corresponded with a few of you online.
Here is what I came up with. Last week I bought a 6-1/2 gallon carboy used
for making beer. I put 1 quart of water in the carboy and marked a line at
the top of the water. I then poured 5-1/2 gallons of high-test gasohol into
the jug. The pouring action stimulates the ethanol to begin separation from
the mix. After awhile the water-ethanol has separated from the mix and I
mark a new line that indicates the new level of the bottom of cleaned
gasoline. I use a siphon to siphon the cleaned gasoline off the top of the
water/ethanol leaving a gallon or so of good gas to avoid siphoning up any
water. (Note I do NOT pour the out this gas/water/alcohol from the jug.) I
can continue pouring gasohol into the carboy and the process starts all over
again. After a gallon or two of water/ethanol builds up, I siphon the
water/ethanol from the bottom of the jug and add a little more water.
I pour this cleaned gas into my plane through a Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter
Funnel, which is supposed to remove any remaining water. (I found no
detectable water in the filter after pouring 10 gallons)
I have run this so far about 50/50 with avgas I had in my tank.
I have only flown the one time a couple days ago for more than an hour with
no problems. Time will tell if problems develop.
I am NOT endorsing this process for others but only describing what I am
doing.
Pete
Kitfox III ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Thanks Noel. You are one who knows the meaning of experimental aircraft.
My 912 being older and of lower compression requires only 86 octane. I plan
to burn only "cleaned" gasoline if it works out. Maybe I can modify the
home heating unit to burn ethanol in the winter or sell it to model airplane
guys.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Removing ethanol from gasoline
>
> Pete it sounds to me like you are doing things properly. The next step
> would be to reduce the amount of AVGAS in your mix just in case your
> engine
> can't take the lower octane level fuel. Being the CR of the Rotax engines
> isn't extreme I doubt you will have any problems.
>
> BTW distil our leftover water alcohol mix to around 50C for fuel for your
> fondu warmer or camp stove. Other leftovers will probably make good weed
> killer and is bio degradeable.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours |
Lynn, OK let me know your Osh schedule. Do not archive.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Not cast in stone yet, because I've got a couple of things in the making
> before Osh. I'll let you know it the Baraboo thing works out.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
> Lynn, I'll introduce you to Red Hamilton in Oshkosh and you can ask him.
>> What's your Oshkosh schedule? There is a Tailwind flyin in Baraboo WI at Jim
>> Clement's Sat July 24th. The Tailwinds marshall up there on the way to Osh.
>> I drive up there Saturday morning, sleep in my van and head to Oshkosh Sun
>> morning. You might enjoy the Baraboo event. Clement has built 12 Tailwinds
>> and they usually have a seminar.. That is the same number but he finished
>> all 12.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 REBUILT
>> Rockford, IL
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> That's a pretty high number, Pat....makes one wonder why it went through
>> so many hands....
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>>
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>>
>> Lynn, Red Hamilton from CA, Tailwind owner, and Oshkosh race winner last
>> year when asked if he built his plane replys, "I'm the 12th owner and 1st
>> finisher of the plane". I don't know maybe that's a record.
>> do not archive
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm the 4th owner, but the one who completed the remaining 80-85 % of the
>> work, and (because I wasn't a pilot at the time) watched it fly for the
>> first time. I got my (continued) flight training in it starting at the 40th
>> hour of its' life. : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1000.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
>>
>>
>> Congratulations Lynn!! Have you owned it since new?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:28 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Another Kitfox hits 1000 hours
>>
>>
>> For those of you who care about such things, Kitfox N369LM just
>> passed 1000 hours of flight.
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1000.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
>> ist Un/Subscription,
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline |
Hi Pete,
If you are running a 912 series engine then Rotax has in writing that 10% ethanol
is fine and people use much higher amounts than that around the world. Just
bring your fuel system up to par for the ethanol and save yourself a lot of time
and effort. Ethanol won't hurt your 912 Rotax.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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Congrats. Lynn; That is quite an accomplishment in that short time. I did nearly
that many in my Maule, which was built up your way. It took me a lot more
years and a lot more fuel, but that was back when the total price per gallon was
the same as todays tax per gallon. Aren't you glad our little Jabiru's are
more efficient. Keep experimenting and keep us posted. You will love float flying,
just keep them out of the big waves. Jim Missler
--------
Jim Missler, Kitfox 3, Jabiru 2200, Prince P Tip Prop 64-28, Just plane fun. Bellevue,
Ohio
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Thanks, Jim....I still can't get over your Prince prop....64 x
28..mine is just 2" shorter, but 18" more pitch....I just can't
figure that one out. I guess you need all the climb you can get to
jump off your short field, eh?
Still not sure of the float flying, though....I just don't want to
have to build wing extensions to make up for the short Speedster
wings I have now. My flight instructor tells me to just build
extensions, but I'm just not ready to confine the plane to water
only, even if there is a lake across the road from me....and amphibs
are almost out of the question for me.
I think it would bug me to think of the ol' girl sitting out in the
rain, bobbing in the lake....she's taken a beating over the last 4
years, and that's while being hangared....hate to think what a summer
of float flying would do.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 1001.2 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying...1000 hrs. plus...
On Jul 8, 2010, at 9:53 PM, James Missler wrote:
> <misslerfarms@msn.com>
>
> Congrats. Lynn; That is quite an accomplishment in that short
> time. I did nearly that many in my Maule, which was built up your
> way. It took me a lot more years and a lot more fuel, but that was
> back when the total price per gallon was the same as todays tax per
> gallon. Aren't you glad our little Jabiru's are more efficient.
> Keep experimenting and keep us posted. You will love float flying,
> just keep them out of the big waves. Jim Missler
>
> --------
> Jim Missler, Kitfox 3, Jabiru 2200, Prince P Tip Prop 64-28, Just
> plane fun. Bellevue, Ohio
>
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Lynn; Water flying can be a lot of fun but as you say can be hard on your A/C.
I learned a few things the hard way in the Lake Amphibian I owned way back when.
One, is when ready for take off it is hard to see boat wake, easy to spot
from the air though. Cost of passenger insurance was the reason I sold it.
--------
Jim Missler, Kitfox 3, Jabiru 2200, Prince P Tip Prop 64-28, Just plane fun. Bellevue,
Ohio
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Kitfox compatriots,
The Homebuilt Aircraft Council and the EAA Staff have begun a multiyear
effort to enhance the experience for the Homebuilders, and especially
those who come to AirVenture. For those folks going to AirVenture this
year, we will be dedicating the new Homebuilders Hangar (formerly the
old NASA hangar, near the federal pavilion.) It's our hope the Hangar
will become a place where homebuilders can gather to socialize, see
exhibits, meet other builders, attend one of many homebuilder reviews to
see some of the unique homebuilts that come to AirVenture.
I don't mean this to be an ad for EAA, but consider it to be an invite
from one Kitfox builder to another. I'll be there all week and I'd like
to meet as many of you as possible - put faces with names - and
hopefully see many Kitfoxes parked in the homebuilt area.
By the way, the dedication of the Hangar is at 1630 on Monday, and I
hear there will be an ice cream social to follow (but it's only a rumor
- so far!) I hope to see you there!
Rick Weiss - Chairman, EAA Homebuilt Aircraft Council
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS now over 80 hours with only 920 more to
go to catch Lynn.
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
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