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2. 08:55 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Patrick Reilly)
3. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (aerobatics@aol.com)
4. 11:06 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Albert)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Aerobatics@aol.com)
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7. 11:10 PM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Albert)
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I
suspect that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to
build engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see a greater
share of the market.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
> I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO
> around 500 hours.... perfect
>
> In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
> Albert:
>
> A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a
> 65 hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines
> failures, and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch
> to the well known Rotax 582. No more problems. I have read about
> Hirth engine problems for the last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND
> HIRTH ENGINES!!!
>
> Jose Toro
> ex-owner Kitfox II/582
>
> From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
>
> Hello all
> Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a
> model 5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw
> ideas, thoughts or experience to me.
> Thanks
> Albert Smith
> MudLake, Idaho
> 5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells
them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in providing
rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be the
way to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me to
recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this thread's
question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I suspect
> that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build engines, and
> then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the market.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062
> Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
> Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>
> I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO around
>> 500 hours.... perfect
>>
>> In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
>> Albert:
>>
>> A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp, 2
>> cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures, and the
>> corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known Rotax
>> 582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for the last
>> 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
>>
>> Jose Toro
>> ex-owner Kitfox II/582
>>
>> From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
>>
>> Hello all
>> Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
>> 5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
>> thoughts or experience to me.
>> Thanks
>> Albert Smith
>> MudLake, Idaho
>> 5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Hi Pat
Have you flown you 3 with a 582
Dave
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Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells them
on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in providing re
built Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be the wa
y to go for added power. My limitedexperience with my 582 leads me to reco
mmend Rotax as avery reliable 65 HP engine.Remember this thread's question
was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I suspect
that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build engines,
and then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the market.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO around 50
0 hours.... perfect
In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, jose_m_to
ro@yahoo.com writes:
Albert:
A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp,
2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures, and
the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known
Rotax 582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for
the last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
Jose Toro
ex-owner Kitfox II/582
From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoug
hts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
The claimed HP is actually 110 hp. The weight is give or take 135
complete with fans. And it is Fuel Injected.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI 140T
MudLake Idaho
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells
them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in
providing rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly,
might be the way to go for added power. My limited experience with my
582 leads me to recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine.
Remember this thread's question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I
suspect that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build
engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the
market.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO
around 500 hours.... perfect
In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
Albert:
A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65
hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures,
and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well
known Rotax 582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine
problems for the last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
Jose Toro
ex-owner Kitfox II/582
From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a
model 5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw
ideas, thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Might want to get Rotax's opinion re these engines mods... they have the
biggest data base and designed them...
In a message dated 3/4/2011 1:06:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kitfox@ida.net writes:
The claimed HP is actually 110 hp. The weight is give or take 135 complete
with fans. And it is Fuel Injected.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI 140T
MudLake Idaho
From: _Patrick Reilly_ (mailto:patreilly43@gmail.com)
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells them
on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in providing
rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be the way
to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me to
recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this thread's question
was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <_lynnmatt@jps.net_
(mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net) > wrote:
(mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net) >
Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I suspect
that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build engines, and
then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the market.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, _Aerobatics@aol.com_
(mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com) wrote:
I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO around
500 hours.... perfect
In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
_jose_m_toro@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jose_m_toro@yahoo.com) writes:
Albert:
A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp, 2
cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures, and
the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known Rotax
582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for the
last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
Jose Toro
ex-owner Kitfox II/582
From: Albert <_kitfox@ida.net_ (mailto:kitfox@ida.net) >
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee tube failure |
I'm still wondering, does anyone know when they changed over to the thicker (.049?)
tubing?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
I had a 65 hp in a Challenger 2. Flew it year round for 2 yrs. No
problems. With that, the hp, and weight reduction. Major weight
reduction. It sounded kind of interesting. Selling the NSI Cheap.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI 140T
MudLake, Idaho
From: Albert
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
The claimed HP is actually 110 hp. The weight is give or take 135
complete with fans. And it is Fuel Injected.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI 140T
MudLake Idaho
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells
them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in
providing rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly,
might be the way to go for added power. My limited experience with my
582 leads me to recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine.
Remember this thread's question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I
suspect that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build
engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the
market.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO
around 500 hours.... perfect
In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
Albert:
A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65
hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures,
and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well
known Rotax 582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine
problems for the last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
Jose Toro
ex-owner Kitfox II/582
From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a
model 5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw
ideas, thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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