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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Bungee best practice questions (Michel)
2. 03:21 AM - Re: Bungee best practice questions (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture/return trip (Lynn Matteson)
4. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Bungee best practice questions (Lynn Matteson)
5. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Bungee best practice questions, or proper subject titling (Guy Buchanan)
6. 09:27 PM - Re: Flapperons (Jeffrey Dill)
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee best practice questions |
Thank you, Lowell and Tom. This has been a problem for all these years because
my Norwegian general ultralight yearly maintenance requires me to remove the seat
for inspection. In my report, I write: Seat not removable.
One more question: What is the structural importance of the seat. I mean, if it
is not important could I, e.g. fasten it with velcro going all the way along
the lower and higher tubes? It sounds even simpler than zip ties. But will it
hold?
Cheers,
Michel
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee best practice questions |
On Sat, July 30, 2011 2:17 am, Michel wrote:
>
> Thank you, Lowell and Tom. This has been a problem for all these years because
my
> Norwegian general ultralight yearly maintenance requires me to remove the seat
for
> inspection. In my report, I write: Seat not removable.
>
> One more question: What is the structural importance of the seat. I mean, if
it is not
> important could I, e.g. fasten it with velcro going all the way along the lower
and
> higher tubes? It sounds even simpler than zip ties. But will it hold?
Michel - Velcro only works well when the removal action allows you to peel it,
so at
least one side must be on a flexible surface otherwise you have to separate the
two
parts all at once and that doesn't work well. It tends to destroy the Velcro's
attachment to the rigid parts. Velcro would be suitable, for example to maintain
the
position of a cushion on the seat but not the hard seat to the tubing.
My Merlin has a split bench seat arrangement and I used plastic zip ties to hold
the
three parts in place. In my case, I don't anticipate ever having to remove it as
it
hides nothing that you can't easily reach. I did remove it to apply another coat
of
finish to the wood pieces and reattaching using the original holes went quickly.
The
second time I was very careful about where the sharp trimmed ends would wind up
so
reaching under the base doesn't result in cut in my wrist. I use Velcro to keep
the
cushions in place which is nice for easy removal when cleaning is required.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh AirVenture/return trip |
I had two safe flights, Marco....I had to stop on the way there for
weather ahead of me near Gary, Indiana, and I had to stop on the way
back for weather all around me on the return trip. On that return
trip, I got down to about 500-700 AGL to stay under the crap, but I
was still hitting an occasional "low cloud", and it was pretty
unnerving. I sat it out at Hobart, Indiana, for a couple of hours,
then followed the shoreline up into Michigan. When I say I followed
the shoreline, I mean the GPS showed I was following the shoreline,
but my eyes said bullshit, there's no shoreline down there. I looked
left to see the water, and could not tell that I was over, or near
the lake. "If the air is clear" is the key phrase here. When I left
'kosh on Friday morning, it WAS clear for about 50 miles going south,
but it turned into crap shortly after. I flew above the crap so long
that it was kinda unsettling, then went under the crap and that was
scary because it was getting lower and lower, so I put down. I landed
at Hobart, and that paved runway might just as well have been
turf....the runway was almost entirely cracked, with grass growing up
through the cracks. It made me wonder of there were chunks of
pavement gone, but it was just fine....just kinda further rattled my
cage to see what I was going to land on. But the people there were
great, and they took me into town where we grabbed some lunch at a
White Castle (I thought they went belly up!), and I was soon on my
way when the weather cleared up a bit. It was great to finally see
the ground again...and it was Michigan ground, at that! : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1151 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
do not archive
On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Alright . . . I'll concede 45 miles, Big Sable point to Two Rivers,
> WI. At 9,000 msl, you don't lose the horizon for very long if the
> air is clear. With lake reporting talking to you every 10 minutes,
> it goes by pretty fast. Plus, if you time it right, you could ditch
> half-way across just about the time the car ferry goes by! ;-)
>
> Kidding aside, the northern round-about takes quite a bit longer
> even cutting the corner Charlevoix to Beaver Island to Manistique.
> 2 shorter over water legs but more total time over water. Overall,
> the direct route makes sense for me, provided I've got the
> necessary confidence in my 582. I'm not quite there after this
> Spring's overhaul. Under the circumstances, I don't think I'll be
> coming this year.
>
> Have a safe flight!
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
> Hersey, MI
>
> Fri, 7/22/11, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 7:40 PM
>
>
> 30, my ass! The shortest I've heard is about 65...real miles, not
> those stinking nautical miles. I'm heading out first light
> tomorrow, if it's not raining. If it is, and I can fly around it, I
> will. I might just choose to fly along the shoreline near Chicago,
> but early morning has a way of producing fog down there. If that's
> a no-go, I can always fly down below 1900' and give myself the
> willies by hugging Chicago's west side.
>
> A friend of mine just flew to the Bahamas in his C172, and even he
> turned around on a trip across Lake Michigan because he lost sight
> of the horizon.
>
> Nope, no water for this kid...but I can see why you mid-state folks
> like the water....if you had to go around, it'd be a l---o----n---g
> trip. See you there?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062
> Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
> Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1142 hrs (since
> 3-27-2006)
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>
> > Overfly the big lake, Lynn - only 30 miles or so, Big Sable point
> to Manitowoc. It cuts 2 hours off your trip and avoids Chicago
> traffic. Use lake reporting service. Your Jabiru is reliable
> enough . . . now. ;-)
> >
> > Marco Menezes N99KX
> > Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
> > Hersey, MI
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/22/11, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 9:24 AM
> >
> >
> > Heading out today, tomorrow, or Sunday...whenever the nasty weather
> > opens up a window to fly through. Right now Chicago is having
> airport
> > delays, so I guess it's best (for me) not to
> > start out today. My flight will only be about 4 hours, so I have to
> > pick a clearing in weather and go....HBC for about 4-5 days.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062
> > Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
> > Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1142 hrs (since
> > 3-27-2006)
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Dorsal wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I will be there, camping in the HBC area, probably Mon-Wed.
> > >
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> > > 912S Warp Drive
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee best practice questions |
Michel-
The seat in my plane is attached with 4 hose clamps. The clamps are
fitted through slots cut into the seat material, and go around the
tubing. Earlier on, there was a kit sold that used web straps that
were glued onto the bottom of the seat for structural support, and
then the seat was attached with 8 hose clamps. I used the 8 clamps,
but soon felt that 4 was sufficient, and that is what I use. Far
better than the plastic straps, from a mental point of view. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1151 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Michel wrote:
>
> Thank you, Lowell and Tom. This has been a problem for all these
> years because my Norwegian general ultralight yearly maintenance
> requires me to remove the seat for inspection. In my report, I
> write: Seat not removable.
>
> One more question: What is the structural importance of the seat. I
> mean, if it is not important could I, e.g. fasten it with velcro
> going all the way along the lower and higher tubes? It sounds even
> simpler than zip ties. But will it hold?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> --------
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348058#348058
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee best practice questions, or proper subject |
titling
On 7/30/2011 9:16 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Michel-
> The seat in my plane is attached with 4 hose clamps. The clamps are
> fitted through slots cut into the seat material, and go around the tubing.
This is a great discussion on how to attach the seat, however, nobody
will ever pull it from the archives because it's titled "Bungee best
practice questions". Please update the subject when you think you're
digressing. Or if you want to ask a question inside an answer, split the
email and ask the question separately. This keeps the archives maximally
useful.
Thanks guys,
Guy Buchanan - List moderator
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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Been working and playing hard and got behind on postings. but wanted to add a late
comment to this one. Mine is a model 2. I agree with everything said regarding
the down side (no pun intended) of full flaps. It produces nose down trim
on final and with enough flaps a 3 point landing is not possible due to reaching
full aft stick in the flare. But, there is another perk of setting less flaps
besides flying trimmed for airspeed on final. Hang with me because I think
I have something you can add to your bag of tricks.
I have about 100 hours of taildragger by now, most of it in my model 2. During
the first 25 hours it would land nice 9 out of 10 times, but then surprise me
by unexplicably darting towards the grass. Most of the time I had enough power
to get off the ground before the unthinkable, but one day I got into the grass,
which bogged me down, a lot. I ripped off the gear by hitting a sign twice
the distance I thought I would need to get off the ground. Bad day to say the
least, and BTW, don't do that on a slow news day.
Fast forward a couple of years and I am once again getting cocky in my repaired
darter. After some demoralizing extra training and a 709 ride with the FAA,
I had not experienced the occasional no-notice head for the weeds ... until
my new confidence level let me take on the additional risk of training my son.
It was deja vu all over again. In the blink of a eye he had me in the grass,
this time heading for a ditch. Right or wrong, the full-power decision had been
made and we were committed, but the damned thing wouldn't unstick from the
ground... and this is the point... I reached down and grabbed a handful of flaps,
additional flaps were only available because I don't normally use full flaps,
and we jumped off the ground. Without that move I think I would have ripped
off the gear again, but instead we jumped off the ground immediately.
--------
Jeff Dill
Model 2
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