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1. 08:07 AM - Looking for a 4-stroke (rawheels)
2. 08:36 AM - Re: Looking for a 4-stroke (Guy Buchanan)
3. 09:40 AM - Re: Looking for a 4-stroke (Malcolm Brubaker)
4. 10:27 AM - Re: Looking for a 4-stroke (rawheels)
5. 10:34 AM - Re: Different Carburetion (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 12:41 PM - Trailer fo kitfox (Loel Putnam)
7. 06:33 PM - Re: Looking for a 4-stroke (Malcolm Brubaker)
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| Subject: | Looking for a 4-stroke |
Does anyone have (or know of) a good 4-stroke engine for sale that I could install
on my Kitfox IV. Ive been looking for a used HKS for a while, but my 582
was recently removed to replace a $40 trigger and is now estimated at $3400 for
repair. So, my 4-stroke search has become a little more important. There was
a Jabiru 2200 on barnstormers that I put an offer on about 5 minutes too late.
Id prefer to have something light-weight like a HKS or Jabiru 2200.
Ryan
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a 4-stroke |
On 10/3/2011 8:05 AM, rawheels wrote:
> Ive been looking for a used HKS for a while, but my 582 was recently removed
to replace a $40 trigger and is now estimated at $3400 for repair.
Hi Ryan,
Just wondering how they got you to $3400, since a complete rebuild is
about $2500 and a nice used motor can be had for $2-3k. (I just sold
mine for $1900.)
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a 4-stroke |
red gold=C2- or Ron Davis AKA =C2-rotax rick=C2- can rebuild a crank
'lower bearings ,rods"=C2-complete with pistons and waterpump machining f
or ceramic seals for under 2k shiped =C2-=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubak
er =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailma
ker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0AFrom: rawheels <rawheels@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 3, 2011 11:05 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-Lis
" <rawheels@yahoo.com>=0A=0ADoes anyone have (or know of) a good 4-stroke e
ngine for sale that I could install on my Kitfox IV.=C2- I=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2ve been looking for a used HKS for a while, but my 582 was recentl
y removed to replace a $40 trigger and is now estimated at $3400 for repair
.=C2- So, my 4-stroke search has become a little more important.=C2- Th
ere was a Jabiru 2200 on barnstormers that I put an offer on about 5 minute
s too late.=C2- I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2d prefer to have something light
-weight like a HKS or Jabiru 2200.=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A--------=0ARyan Wheeler
=0AKitfox IV-1200=0AIndianapolis, IN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online h
ere:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353880#353880=0A=0A
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Adm
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a 4-stroke |
I already had $400 into the engine to finally diagnose the problem as the trigger.
When we had the engine apart for that fix we noticed that the rear crank
seal was leaking. Since my intent was to find a 4-stroke and sell the 582, I
decided to pay for the 150 hr seal/gasket replacement (+$920). When the engine
was torn down we found that the rotary valve shaft was almost split in two (+$320),
and the crank was so bad that the PTO bearing fell off and a new bearing
wouldn't stay on (+$1500). At that point you might as well just add the pistons
(+$200) and get the sign off for a full overhaul.
Interestingly, the engine had no corrosion, which was supposed to be the big scare
against using AMSOIL.
So, I can spend money on this 582, buy another 582 off of barnstormers, or just
use the money toward an engine that I actually want to fly behind.
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Different Carburetion |
Suggest you get a copy of the Bing manual from Bing Agency International, 1
-800-309-2464.
There is a chart included that discusses/recommends jetting for high densit
y altitude based aircraft. At KLGU and 4450' jet# 155 works good in the win
ter and 148 works good in the summer.
There is also and excellent description of the operation along with a descr
iption of adjusting the float height.
John Kerr
Running smooth with a smile on my face.=C2- Indian Summer is a great time
to fly.
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From: "rtmarshall" <rtav8or2@psln.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 4:05:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Different Carburetion
=C2-=C2-Hi all, =C2-Poor weather day here in the high Sierra's. =C2
-A
question/discussion. =C2-Has anyone proposed a different fueling system f
or the
912 or an alternative to the Bings ? All the years flying behind FI and eve
n
the Marvel Schliber(AKA Marvel dribbler) Carbs, =C2-seems better than my
current system (Bing) My Problem up here is being unable to adjust for
altitude/Seems slightly rich and ethanol in the auto fuel. while Rotax
recommends auto fuel and it runs great (Now but still rich)) It makes the
diaphragms limpy, Unless somewhere along the way they are now being made of
a different compound and I could be completely uninformed. It was not noted
by the bing guy in KS that they were of a different compound when I changed
them awhile back. Comments/ Ideas, Of course I can run the 6+$ a galloon
100LL and the oil that holds the lead in suspension ! Thanks Toodie & Bob
Marshall
Beckwourth, CA
KF/4/1200 flying
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 912ul
From: John <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
Vacuum checked showed about 11/2 to 2 inches difference at all rpms. =C2-
Either
the
engine was way out of adjustment or something else was wrong. After fussing
for a few minutes a crack, long, was found in one of the carb mounting
flanges.
Fortunately I had another on hand so the swap was fairly quick. It took
longer
to then synchronize the carbs following reassembly. It's tough to keep trac
k
if in or out moves the mercury up or down. Also reset the idle as you
suggest
at 112 turns out. Runs smoothly now
Thank you for your help.
John Kerr
Sent from my iPad
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> It could be a piece of debris that got into a carb? It may show up on a
> balance.
Sync them at 3500 and then run it up to 4000 and take a look. It doesn't
sound
like a fuel delivery issue from the system and it isn't electrical in
nature.
Something more central to the carb area. Let me know what the sync turns
up.
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> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912ul
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
Glad it seems to have worked out. Air leaks can give your system grief and
trying
to find some of them can be a pain too. You were lucky to find the carb
socket
leak as they can be hard to find at times. This is one reason they are
included
on the Rotax 5 year rubber replacement program. Let me know if all is well
after several flights.
Have fun.
Roger Lee
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 =C2-TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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Time: 11:05:27 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. =C2-The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
=C2-=C2- http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. =C2-The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. =C2-Reaching these goal
s
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. =C2-To this end, the following guidelines have been established
:
=C2-- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. =C2-Do n
ot submit
=C2-=C2- posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor
, long
=C2-=C2- lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
=C2-- THINK carefully before you write. =C2-Ask yourself if your post w
ill be
=C2-=C2- relevant to everyone. =C2-If you have to wonder about that,
DON'T send it.
=C2-- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archiv
e
=C2-=C2- that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. =C2-Try to
be concise and
=C2-=C2- terse in your posts. =C2-Avoid overly wordy and lengthy post
s and
=C2-=C2- responses.
=C2-- Keep your signature brief. =C2-Please include your name, email ad
dress,
=C2-=C2- aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. =C2-A sh
ort line
=C2-=C2- about where you are in the building process is also nice. =C2
-Avoid
=C2-=C2- bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unneces
sary
=C2-=C2- space in the archive.
=C2-- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
=C2-=C2- easily obtainable from other widely available sources. =C2-C
onsult the
=C2-=C2- web page or FAQ first.
=C2-- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
=C2-=C2- your response the same as that of the original post. =C2-Thi
s makes it
=C2-=C2- easy to find threads in the archive.
=C2-- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
=C2-=C2- response. =C2-DO use lines from the original post to help "t
une in" the
=C2-=C2- reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. =C2-The impac
t that
=C2-=C2- quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archiv
e
=C2-=C2- can not be overstated!
=C2-- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
=C2-=C2- then go ahead and reply to the List. =C2-Be aware that click
ing the
=C2-=C2- "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send
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ely address
=C2-=C2- your response with the original poster's email address.
=C2-- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
=C2-=C2- to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. =C2-"Way to
go!", "I
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r sent
=C2-=C2- to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at la
rge.
=C2-- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need t
o
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| Subject: | Trailer fo kitfox |
Hi=2C
I have for sale a trailer that is set up for a Kitfox 111. I'm asking $500.
00 for it. It might work for other models and airplanes. If interested you
can email me at pilot77777@hotmail.com with questions or for pictures. I li
ve in southwest New York=2C 14743.
Thanks=2C
Loel
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a 4-stroke |
everyone knows jerry at green sky=C2- I belive ther was a HKS on the cors
ario=0A=0A=C2-that got twisted up at sun fun=C2- frank porter of florid
a ownes that (954) 675 8436 frank=C2-=C2-is also a plane broker in the
byz =C2-=C2-=C2- mal=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pi
lot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight &
Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
m: Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Monday, October 3, 2011 11:33 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for
@cox.net>=0A=0AOn 10/3/2011 8:05 AM, rawheels wrote:=0A> I=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2ve been looking for a used HKS for a while, but my 582 was recentl
y removed to replace a $40 trigger and is now estimated at $3400 for repair
.=0AHi Ryan,=0AJust wondering how they got you to $3400, since a complete r
ebuild is about $2500 and a nice used motor can be had for $2-3k. (I just s
old mine for $1900.)=0A=0AGuy Buchanan=0ARamona, CA=0AKitfox IV-1200 / 912-
S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded=0ANow a glider pilot, too.=0A=0A=0A=0A
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