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5. 08:35 AM - Re: gas tank slosh (Lynn Matteson)
6. 12:00 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (Guy Buchanan)
7. 12:43 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (bob noffs)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (Roger Standley)
9. 02:23 PM - Re: 912s will not stay running (Shane Sather)
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
What ever you use make sure it is well grounded.
I built a metal 15 gal tank with a electric pump.
I thought that I had everything well grounded and then got a shock off
of the rubber hose. The gas flowing through the hose was creating static
electricy. I had to ground the hose nozzle to the pump frame and the
landing gear and the pump frame to the hanger metal frame.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found
at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good
success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&
isClassified=false
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Bob,
I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be
less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with
plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult
proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I
now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The
nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system,
but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car
- can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the
internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the
wing, but not tested here yet.
Lowell
From: bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
hi all,
i have a gas tank slosh question.
i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to
my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul
back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while
calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no
more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane
higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump
set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after
the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard
tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but
all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
any opinions?
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
Guy, have you considered moving to New Hampshire :)
Happy 4th!
On 2012-07-03 21:25, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> On 7/3/2012 6:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
>> Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility
>> found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good
>> success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
>
> The off-road guys have been getting hefty fines for using these in
> SoCal. Idiotic, I know, but there it is. If it doesn't say DOT
> approved can you're out of luck. Welcome to California.
>
> Guy Buchanan
> Ramona, CA
> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
> Now a glider pilot, too.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
Well advised Floran, after feeling the hair on my arm raised from
static electricity while fueling from a non-metallic tank years ago I
would never use anything except a metal "safety" tank for aircraft
fueling. (ground it to the aircraft frame and fuel cap by momentarily
touching both before removing fuel cap) Or your method with a well
grounded tank and nozzle.
Vic
Vic Baker
Carson City, Nv
Series 7 912ULS Warp
----- Original Message -----
From: floran higgins
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
What ever you use make sure it is well grounded.
I built a metal 15 gal tank with a electric pump.
I thought that I had everything well grounded and then got a shock off
of the rubber hose. The gas flowing through the hose was creating static
electricy. I had to ground the hose nozzle to the pump frame and the
landing gear and the pump frame to the hanger metal frame.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility
found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good
success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&
isClassified=false
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Bob,
I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be
less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with
plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult
proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I
now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The
nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system,
but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car
- can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the
internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the
wing, but not tested here yet.
Lowell
From: bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
hi all,
i have a gas tank slosh question.
i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station
to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul
back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while
calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no
more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane
higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump
set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after
the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard
tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but
all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
any opinions?
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Lowell,
I use a 30 gal gas caddy which was made by Handy (now Roughneck) avail
from Northern tool. Have used it for at least 8 years. Works great ! Just
fill it with 5 gal cans and then pump into your plane with attached rotary pump
Piece of cake !
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I
soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank
filler necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the
rear wing pivot point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the
job is very well concealed.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with 1303 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)
On Jul 4, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Vic Baker wrote:
> Well advised Floran, after feeling the hair on my arm raised from
> static electricity while fueling from a non-metallic tank years ago
> I would never use anything except a metal "safety" tank for
> aircraft fueling. (ground it to the aircraft frame and fuel cap by
> momentarily touching both before removing fuel cap) Or your method
> with a well grounded tank and nozzle.
> Vic
>
> Vic Baker
> Carson City, Nv
> Series 7 912ULS Warp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: floran higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> What ever you use make sure it is well grounded.
> I built a metal 15 gal tank with a electric pump.
> I thought that I had everything well grounded and then got a shock
> off of the rubber hose. The gas flowing through the hose was
> creating static electricy. I had to ground the hose nozzle to the
> pump frame and the landing gear and the pump frame to the hanger
> metal frame.
>
> Floran Higgins
> Helena, Mt
> Speedster
> 912ULS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Standley
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility
> found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with
> good success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
>
> http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?
> itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lowell Fitt
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> Bob,
> I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be
> less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem
> with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the
> child/adult proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled
> more fuel than I now do with these spill resistant super safety
> designed cans. The nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out
> the safety latch system, but then the nozzle is so short they are
> worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the first half of
> the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal
> properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here
> yet.
> Lowell
>
> From: bob noffs
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> hi all,
> i have a gas tank slosh question.
> i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station
> to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and
> haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this
> while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now
> find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas
> is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal
> cheaper.
> anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
> containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied,
> no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a
> pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks
> clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry
> cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash
> proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some
> rust now.
> then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
> any opinions?
> bob noffs
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On 7/4/2012 8:34 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I
> soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank
> filler necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the
> rear wing pivot point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the job
> is very well concealed.
Wish mine had been done. I use an external wire to connect the filler
neck to ground whenever I tank. Doubt it's necessary, but I don't want
to try the experiment.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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the other shoe just hit the floor. i have been worrying about grounding.
any other advice on that out there?
bob noffs
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/4/2012 8:34 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>> When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I
>> soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank filler
>> necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the rear wing pivot
>> point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the job is very well
>> concealed.
>>
>
> Wish mine had been done. I use an external wire to connect the filler neck
> to ground whenever I tank. Doubt it's necessary, but I don't want to try
> the experiment.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> Ramona, CA
> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
> Now a glider pilot, too.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
I guess I'm left wondering what others do when refueling their lawn
mower, ATVs, chain saws, weed wackers and most of all, their CARS!!! How
is refueling a plane any different?
----- Original Message -----
From: bob noffs<mailto:icubob@gmail.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
the other shoe just hit the floor. i have been worrying about
grounding. any other advice on that out there?
bob noffs
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Guy Buchanan
<gebuchanan@cox.net<mailto:gebuchanan@cox.net>> wrote:
<gebuchanan@cox.net<mailto:gebuchanan@cox.net>>
On 7/4/2012 8:34 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I
soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank
filler necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the rear
wing pivot point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the job is
very well concealed.
Wish mine had been done. I use an external wire to connect the
filler neck to ground whenever I tank. Doubt it's necessary, but I don't
want to try the experiment.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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| Subject: | Re: 912s will not stay running |
Hello All
Just an update on my issue.
It is the start of my flying season now and the smaller lakes are ice
free for landing. So I pulled out my Light squared and started working
on my engine issue. I guessed it had to be a fuel issue so I ended up
tracing it back to the header tank. On my set up there is a short length
of black rubber hose in between the header tank outlet fitting and the
metal fuel line that runs to the dash on off valve. The black rubber
hose was the issue. As soon as I loosened one of the screw clamps fuel
started to floe. The screw clamp had slide a bit and was pinching the
rubber hose closed. So what I am going to do prevent this from happening
again is to remove that length of hose and use a clear gas line hose
instead the black rubber hose. I am guessing the rubber hose was
installed to allow some movement or flex in the line.
How have others set up their connection on this section of fuel line?
Oh and the engine runs like a charm again.
Thanks Shane
From: Shane Sather
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912s will not stay running
Hello Listers
My 912s is giving me a hard time, it will not stay running. I prime it,
it starts and then runs for a minuet or so and then it is out of fuel. I
thought it was the fuel pump but that is not the case (i replaced the
old one). It is almost like the carbs are not creating vacuum or are
plugged or blocked somehow. It is odd as it was running fine when I
landed last time. Since that time the Kitfox has been dry docked. We did
have a very big wind storm and the plane was rocking on the dock. Could
something have shaken loose or got stuck. There is fuel in the wing
tanks, fuel to small tank (it is full) behind the seats. There was fuel
in the line to the pump when I changed the pump. But the main lines to
the carbs do not appear to be full. It seems that the only fuel getting
to the carbs is from the priming. Any ideas?
Thanks Shane
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