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1. 08:31 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/29/04 (Judy or Larry Gitt)
2. 11:48 AM - 912 80 hp vs. 582 MKIII (Giovanni Day)
3. 12:05 PM - Re: 912 80 hp vs. 582 MKIII (John Hauck)
4. 03:24 PM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs (Gary Thacker)
5. 06:38 PM - Re: Demo ride (Steven Green)
6. 08:23 PM - Re: 912 80 hp vs. 582 MKIII (Giovanni Day)
7. 08:27 PM - Great flying day in PA (Denny Rowe)
8. 08:29 PM - Non-UL, Memorial Day (Bob N.)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj@earthlink.net>
Thank's for the pictures, John H and John W. I sure in joy following
your trips. Thanks Larry G
> [Original Message]
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> To: Kolb-List Digest List <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/30/2004 1:56:30 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/29/04
>
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> Total Messages Posted Sat 05/29/04: 14
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 03:26 AM - Re: Email Problems (GeoR38@aol.com)
> 2. 05:35 AM - Re: FW: Quick weight and balance (Eugene Zimmerman)
> 3. 06:15 AM - Re: quick W&B (Bob Bean)
> 4. 07:54 AM - MV Pictures (John Hauck)
> 5. 10:06 AM - Re: MV Pictures (John Willamson)
> 6. 10:20 AM - More MV Flight (John Hauck)
> 7. 10:25 AM - Re: MV Pictures (John Hauck)
> 8. 10:44 AM - Re: MV Pictures (Kirk Smith)
> 9. 01:45 PM - Re: MV Pictures (Ladyrat01@aol.com)
> 10. 03:24 PM - Re: MV Pictures aka git me outa here (Bob N.)
> 11. 04:37 PM - Re: MV Pictures (Edward Chmielewski)
> 12. 07:23 PM - Re: Help, I've fallen and I can't get out... (Richard
Pike)
> 13. 07:40 PM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs (Denny
Rowe)
> 14. 07:54 PM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? (Denny Rowe)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 03:26:08 AM PST US
> From: GeoR38@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Email Problems
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 05/28/2004 11:18:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> swiderski@rocketjet.net writes:
>
> My email is erratic in being posted, gets refused (undeliverable)at times
&
> sometimes works fine. I tried disabling Norton Antivirus & had no change.
> Any ideas out there?
>
> Richard Swiderski
> Richard, when I run up against a wall on the internet, I always call up
Aol
> Technical help and they ALWAYS can help to at least some extent....dunno
if
> they will take you being non aol, but they have fixed non aol problems
for
> me....just a thought....
> yer bud
> George Randolph
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 05:35:34 AM PST US
> From: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
> Subject: Re: FW: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
> Ok, If Homer or Dennis approved that method then I am in error.
> Shoot!,,,, Now that is my second mistake,,,,, the first was when I
> thought I was wrong but I wasn't.
> :
> )
> Does the faa also approve?
>
> Richard Swiderski wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
<swiderski@rocketjet.net>
> >
> >
> > Eugene,
> > Actually, Homer discussed it with me & said he did it that way
> > himself (we were talking about an UltraStar which has no root tube.) The
> > laws of physics do not care if the plane is balancing from the top or
the
> > bottom, its all the same. Regarding the root tube, I personally
believe it
> > would have no trouble supporting twice the weight, they are very
robust, but
> > there are always scales if one is in doubt. Bob, your mentioning the
angle
> > of attack that the plane would be hanging at is indeed relative to the
> > process, if the tail is way low then more weight would need to be
shifted
> > forward, if it were hanging from the rear of the cg range. ...Richard
> > Swiderski
> >
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> > <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
> >
> > I'll bet you'll never get the designer of the plane to agree that
that
> > is an acceptable method to cg test a kolb.
> >
> > The root tube is not designed to support the total weight of plane and
> > pilot at the cg.
> >
> >
> > Richard Swiderski wrote:
> >
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
> >
> > <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
> >
> >>Duane,
> >> That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung
> >
> > her
> >
> >>from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
> >>
> >>Richard Swiderski
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
> >>To: kolblist
> >>Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
> >>
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
> >>
> >>I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and
balance.
> >>Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom
> >
> > scales
> >
> >>to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the
scale
> >>under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
> >>effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to
attach
> >
> > a
> >
> >>come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane
at
> >>different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side
to
> >>side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier
than
> >>scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of
course
> >>you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
> >>truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
> >>
> >>Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 06:15:10 AM PST US
> From: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: re: quick W&B
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Group, to CMA on what I said about attitude using the suspension
> method....obviously you would experimentally find the point where,
> when you hoisted the plane, it would be near level or flight attitude.
> The reason for the 9deg stance using the conventional method is because
> the weighing points are so far away from the actual CG giving large
> possible vector errors. The longer the gear legs, the more error.
> (picture 10 foot long legs). Ideally you would lift it at the actual
> CG which would be an imaginary point somewhere just beneath the
> wing in the cage---a little difficult. -BB do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 07:54:52 AM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> Got home from MV last Fri morning at 0800. Departed for Brunswick,
> GA, Mon morning. Got back from Brunswick at last light Thu. Have
> spent the last three weeks in the MKIII. This is a good way to get
> back into "cross country" shape for the flight to Alaska the end of
> June. Looks like I will be doing a solo flight north for the third
> time, not counting the aborted flight to Muncho Lake, BC, in 2000.
>
> I have some picture up on my index page I took during the flight to
> MV. The address for the page is:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/
>
> Click on the file and it will bring up the pic.
>
> I'll try to describe the pics as I find time. The first is a shot
> crossing the Mississippi River on the morning of the first day flying
> west:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0173_resize.JPG
>
> Patterns of irrigated fields in West Texas:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0178_resize.JPG
>
> These wind mills are gigantic. For a size comparison, take a look at
> the houses in the lower left, then compare to the size of the blades
> on the wind mills:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0180_resize.JPG
>
> AH! Things are getting better. The first sight of the Rocky
> Mountains in New Mexico:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0184_resize.JPG
>
> After landing in Canon City, CO, in a 37 mph cross wind, I am met by
> my flying buddy, John Williamson, at the end of my second day of
> flying. John W flew up from Arlington, TX, with a nice tail wind in
> 6+ hours, compared to 13.5 hours from Alabama. John W is warming up
> the 912S for takeoff and our assault on Leadville, CO, highest airport
> in the Continental US, 9,926 feet ASL:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0188_resize.JPG
>
> Climbing out over Canon City, CO. We are flying into the Rockies:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0188_resize.JPG
>
> That's Royal Gorge and the highest suspension bridge in the World,
> over 1,000 feet above the river:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0192_resize.JPG
>
> Rugged terrain around Royal Gorge:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0192_resize.JPG
>
> Following the road and river into the Rockies:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0197_resize.JPG
>
> There's some big ones out there:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0199_resize.JPG
>
> Just beyond Buena Vista, CO, the pass was closed by weather. We were
> about 32 miles from Leadville, CO. Oh well, we will save Leadville
> for another day:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0206_resize.JPG
>
> As we fly south out of Buena Vista, we fly through a snow storm, as
> the weather comes rolling in over the big mountains on the west side
> of the valley. Nothing to play with up here at altitudes well over
> 9,000 feet:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0208_resize.JPG
>
> Climbing to 12,000 feet clear the pass and head south down the valley
> to Alamosa, CO:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0210_resize.JPG
>
> The highway through the pass lies far below:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0210_resize.JPG
>
> We made it. Soon we'll fly out from under the weather that was full
> of snow. Felt strange to fly into a snow storm the middle of May:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0213_resize.JPG
>
> Wind was kicking up, rough as Hell, over this high valley at over
> 8,000 feet:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0214_resize.JPG
>
> More valley:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0216_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0219_resize.JPG
>
> The Kolbra and MKIII were covered with a thick layer of frost and the
> OAT was 26F as we prepared to takeoff from Alamosa Airport, CO. Here
> we are climbing out of Alamosa to make the pass to the SW. I went
> full throttle on take off and did not touch the throttle lever again
> until I started my decent on the other side of the Continental Divide:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0222_resize.JPG
>
> High in the Rockies. No sigh of human disturbance of Mother Nature.
> No trails, roads, cabins, or man made structures in sight:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0229_resize.JPG
>
> More Rockies. I climbed to 13,300 feet to clear the pass:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0230_resize.JPG
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0239_resize.JPG
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0241_resize.JPG
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0244_resize.JPG
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0244_resize.JPG
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0247_resize.JPG
>
> After clearing the Rockies, our ability to judge distance was somewhat
> impaired. Both John W and I thought we were right on top of the next
> airport when I took this pic. We could not find it. The GPS said it
> was still 6 or 7 miles to the west. Sure enough, the GPS was right.
> I do not know why we were so far off, other than the great size of the
> mountains we had just flown over. This is beautiful high country in
> New Mexico:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0248_resize.JPG
>
> John W basks in the morning sun at Apache airfield. I think the field
> elevation was aprx'ly 8,400 feet ASL. We both decided we would build
> us a cabin up here and spend the summer. I saw one red pickup truck
> driving through the area as we were setting up for our approach. No
> other people were detected in the area. This strip is used primarily
> for fire fighting:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0249_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0251_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0252_resize.JPG
>
> This was at Navaho State Park, NM. The airstrip is on top a high
> butte. Strip starts at the very edge of the butte and ends at the
> edge of the west end. We were 32 sm from Farmington, NM:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0255_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0257_resize.JPG
>
> On final approach to Farmington, NM. Ship Rock can be seen on the
> horizon:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0259_resize.JPG
>
> Takeoff from Farmington. John W can be seen on the left climbing out:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0260_resize.JPG
>
> West of Farmington:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0262_resize.JPG
>
> Desert rules. Only green is around available water, like the river in
> this pic:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0263_resize.JPG
>
> Ship Rock:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0264_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0265_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0267_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0268_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0271_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0272_resize.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0273_resize.JPG
>
> Stand off at Bluff, Utah. John W prepares to takeoff, as soon as I
> get out of his way. This is our last leg to MV:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0274_resize.JPG
>
> This is about halfway through the pics I want to share with the Kolb
> List on the MV flight. I'll try and get the rest of them up with an
> explanation ASAP.
>
> My flight out and back, the flyin and the comaraderie we all
> experienced was priceless. I hope everyone can meet us for the Third
> Annual Unorganized/Unplanned Kolb Flying next May 2005.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 10:06:02 AM PST US
> From: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Welcome back John H
>
> I particularly like this photo you took:
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0281_resize.JPG
>
> I had a great time and am already looking forward to next year.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 597 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 10:20:15 AM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: More MV Flight
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> A few pics slipped through the crack on me. I wanted to include them
> also. I will finish up on the remainder of the flight ASAP.
>
> Climbing up into the Rockies on the way to Leadville. I was recon'ing
> fire roads and trails for possible visit later on with the 5th wheel
> and Suzuki DRZ400E:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0200.jpg
>
> South of Buena Vista, CO, flying north:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0202.jpg
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0203.jpg
>
> Same:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0204.jpg
>
> John W and the two Kolbs after a cool down the night before at
> Alamosa, CO. Aircraft were covered with a thick layer of frost in the
> 26F air. Think Alamosa Airport is over 8,400 feet ASL:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0220.jpg
>
> Check the altimeter. It is coming down through 12,250 feet ASL. OAT
> was 15F. CHT is on the bottom peg at 120F. Eng oil temp is about
> 150F. Normally, these temps are running 180F and 230F. This is the
> first time the throttle came back off WOT since departure from
> Alamosa, CO, well over an hour. Looking out over the mountains, one
> can see the lower valleys that are still over 8,000 feet ASL:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0236.jpg
>
> John W at Apache Airport, Dulce, NM, proudly standing next to his
> steed, the Kolb Kolbra powered with a 912S Rotax:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0250.jpg
>
> Miss P'Fer ("P" fer plane) waits patiently while her Daddy stands in
> awe of the beautiful Rocky Mountain Ranges, Apache Airstrip, Dulce,
> NM:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0253.jpg
>
> A shot of the big mountains from Apache State Park Airport, NM,
> looking north to the Rocky Mountains:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/DSCF0254.jpg
>
> It is hard to describe the feelings experienced flying in this part of
> the country, high over the Rockies, in a little airplane built in ones
> basement.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> MKIII: 2,055.5 hours
>
> Rotax 912ULS: 709.5 hours
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 10:25:41 AM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202004%20Upload/DSCF0281_resize.JPG
>
> Hi John W/Gang:
>
> Thanks, friend!!! One of the best cloud and blue sky pictures I have
> ever taken. I plan on framing that one and hanging it on the outhouse
> wall........... :-)
>
> Well, you jumped the gun on me. I was going to explain the cloud pic
> when I got to it. It was taken soon after we departed Bluff, Utah, on
> our last leg into MV. We had been flying rough and extremely rough
> air since leaving home. That day was no different. I was trying to
> take some pics of MV as the monuments came into view for the first
> time. Just as I pushed the shutter release, Miss P'fer got knocked up
> by a big up draft. It was not easy taking pics and flying that day.
> hehehe
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> MKIII: 2,055.5 hours
>
> Rotax 912ULS: 709.5 hours
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 10:44:55 AM PST US
> From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Great pics John. Thanks for sharing them. It's something I'll only dream
of
> doing. Kirk
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 01:45:51 PM PST US
> From: Ladyrat01@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ladyrat01@aol.com
>
> i do not want to be on this list get me off
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:24:52 PM PST US
> From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Pictures aka git me outa here
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> dere LadyRat,
>
> If'n y'all Ratness rilly wonts ta get shet of thishere list, jes follow
> the printed instructions at bottom of list. It's the second line under
> List related information. Lemme know if you can't do it , an' Ahl have
> the Beeg Mahoof do it fer ya.
>
> kindnessly,
>
> Bob N.
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> ________________________________ Message 11
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> Time: 04:37:48 PM PST US
> From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski"
<edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> Ladyrat01,
>
> Sorry, you have to get yourself off...
>
>
> by scrolling to the bottom of the addresses to the
"Subscribe/Unsubscribe" line.
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> Do not archive.
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Ladyrat01@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Pictures
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ladyrat01@aol.com
> >
> > i do not want to be on this list get me off
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 12
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>
> Time: 07:23:27 PM PST US
> From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Help, I've fallen and I can't get out...
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Another confused & demoralized Challenger owner, I suppose...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> At 04:42 PM 5/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
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> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ladyrat01@aol.com
> >
> >i do not want to be on this list get me off
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 13
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>
> Time: 07:40:21 PM PST US
> From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Gary,
> Fathers Day weekend June 18-19 &20 at Shreeveport North Airport,
Wellsville,
> PA.
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
> >
> > When and where is the gathering?
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Souderton,Pa.
> >
> > do not archive
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> ________________________________ Message 14
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> Time: 07:54:27 PM PST US
> From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> > >
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Shreveport North has had a fuel wagon available in the past at the
Fathers
> Day fly-in. I would assume they will again. Also there is a gas
> > station right next to Smoketown Airport and folks there will help you
out
> to get auto gas on your flight to or from Homers.
> >
> > Will be updating the list of Homer fly-in participants after the
holidays.
> Also will be checking with Homer about times and such.
> >
> > Terry - FireFly #95
> >
> > Awesome Terry,
> Now all we'll need is good weather.
> Thanks again for all your leg work.
>
> Denny
> do not archive
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| Subject: | 912 80 hp vs. 582 MKIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Fellow Kolbers,
I have purchased a used 912 as a impulse buy, got it reasonable. I now
see that there is going to be considerable work and expense to convert
from the new 582 I have. Apart from the increased time and expense of
changing it out, the 582 is mounted and ready to go, is the performance
improvement of the 912 considerable enough to make it worth it? Thanks
for your opinions.
912/582 Torn
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912/582???
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| Subject: | Re: 912 80 hp vs. 582 MKIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Apart from the increased time and expense of
| changing it out, the 582 is mounted and ready to go, is the
performance
| improvement of the 912 considerable enough to make it worth it?
Thanks
| for your opinions.
|
| 912/582 Torn
| Giovanni Day
| MKIII 912/582???
Giovanni/Gang:
Yes!
I have experienced both engines on my MKIII. No way I could be
convinced to go back to a 582 or any other two cycle engine.
The 912 installation completely changed the character of my airplane.
Reliability and reduced operational cost are a tremendous plus. I
would have been making the flights I have made over the last 10 years
of flying powered by a 582.
Kolb Aircraft has installation kits for 912's.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
Thanks Denny. I think I will try to make it for one day anyway.
Gary
Souderton,Pa.
>From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs
>Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 22:37:25 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>Gary,
>Fathers Day weekend June 18-19 &20 at Shreeveport North Airport,
>Wellsville,
>PA.
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
> >
> > When and where is the gathering?
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Souderton,Pa.
> >
> > do not archive
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>
download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
John,
I have finally got the annual done on my plane but time to fly is still at a
premium. I will give you a call when I can fly a while.
Steven
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| Subject: | 912 80 hp vs. 582 MKIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello all,
Thanks for your input John. I could only imagine that this would
be the case.
The 912 has 190 hours, came off a rans s12 and is only missing
the rad. and oil cooler. I have a mount purchased. It was on the rans
two weeks ago. Has stainless exhaust with muffler. It needs a little
cleaning up to look new. I will have to sell my 2 stroke EIS and get the
4 stroke version. Maybe they can convert the one I have? I also have a
hot box set up for the 582 and EIS so may need to start over there also.
I do not even know what instrumentation to put on it.
Do the 912s use the same voltage regulator? Not sure what prop
to get. I am not even sure of the GB ratio. If the cost is not to bad, I
would like to have the 912 checked over (teardown for new seals and
such), just in case. Any advise you or anyone else can give would be
great. As for knowledge of the engine etc., I am starting all over. :)
I guess I will also need to start thinking about selling my new
decked out 582 complete mount and all.
Giovanni
MKIII 912 decided
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| Subject: | Great flying day in PA |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Had a Great evening of flying tonight.
Gave rides to all three of my children and 5 other folks who had never had a Kolb
or light aircraft ride.
What a joy to share these wonderful aircraft with good friends and family.
Fly safe,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Non-UL, Memorial Day |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Non-UL stuff follows. Delete if desired. Since today is Memorial Day,
and no one has mentioned it (of course, old man, it's not flying), I
will. Shoot me down, I've been in two Unpleasantnesses, and still
kickin' at 81.
In Days of Yore ...
When Memorial Day Was Truly 'Decoration Day'
By ROBERT 0. NOYER
Now comes another federally mandated holiday, dedicated to the merchants
of America.
This holiday, conveniently hooked on to a weekend, allows us extra time
off from our jobs so that we may celebrate The Memorial Day Sale, as
well as get in a little extra time behind the wheel something we do
all week anyway!
A glance at the calendar sometimes shows two Memorial Days one
"observed," the other just plain old Memorial Day. Can any of us
remember when there was just one such day, and what was memorialized then?
For many years, May 30 was set aside to honor the memories of fallen
servicemen in all the wars. Many of the southern States have a different
day, however the observance is the same. Perhaps it was a Virginia
woman, Cassandra Oliver Moncure, a distant relative of mine, who during
the War Between the States, first dedicated this day to the dead.
In my family, and no doubt in many others, May 30 was called Decoration
Day. On this day we went to the country cemeteries where our ancestors
were buried, and clipped the new grass around the headstones, taking
care to tweak the just-blooming peonies, and placing fresh-cut flowers
from our own gardens in Mason jars on the plots.
My grandmothers always knew which graves might not be tended for lack of
living relatives, and so brought flowers for these plots, tending them
as well. As children, we were warned to never walk on a grave plot.
And I remember the very small parades in these tiny country towns. The
entire Boy Scout troop of seven, including what appeared to be smallest
Scout, carrying The Colors with 48 stars. A somewhat off-tune but
determined Town Band wheezing out "The Stars And Stripes Forever." Only
a couple of very old Civil War veterans, riding in an open car, leading
a few more from the Spanish-American War. And maybe a dozen from World
War I ("The War to End All Wars").
Most of the veterans still had a piece or two of their old uniforms, and
all had a few medals. Some of the World War "doughboys" had their odd
flat-brimmed "tin hats" and tightly wound puttees, but all who marched
did so in spite of age and pain. Each may have thought it might be their
last time to follow the flag.
At Old Town Cemetery, all the old vets stood at attention, with the
younger men at each side of the Civil War soldiers. The several widows,
all in black, dotted the crowd of a couple of dozen, standing near a few
graves. Three volleys were fired from two old hunting rifles. The
preacher gave a long prayer, a wavering Taps was sounded by the silver
cornet player of the Town band, and the formal Decoration Day ceremonies
were over.
Later we entertained old friends with real home-cranked ice cream and
chocolate cake while bringing back the memories of past times and the
people in them. Perhaps it was Memorial Day after all.
[Open Forum is a column available to Star readers
to address a subject of their choice. Robert 0. Noyer
is a resident of Winchester]
5/29/1999
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