Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:17 AM - Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! (Bob Dalton)
3. 07:43 AM - Aileron gap seals (lucien stavenhagen)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (GeoR38@aol.com)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (David Lehman)
6. 08:26 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (David M. Lehman)
7. 08:28 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (John Hauck)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: Wiring diagram (GeoR38@aol.com)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (GeoR38@AOL.COM)
10. 12:04 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (David Key)
11. 12:17 PM - New Memeber Q's on Mark III (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
12. 12:47 PM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
13. 03:04 PM - Hauling Kolbs on flat beds (Denny Rowe)
14. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Hauling... (David Lehman)
15. 04:16 PM - Re: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds (David Lehman)
16. 05:00 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
17. 05:02 PM - Re: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds (ray anderson)
18. 06:53 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (Michael Bigelow)
19. 07:01 PM - Re: New Memeber Q's on Mark III (Michael Bigelow)
20. 08:33 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (David Key)
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| Subject: | Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am officially 42 years old (sympathy is appreciated)!
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising,
no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a
Contribution today to support their continued operation and
upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List
operation and keep the bills paid.
A Lister wrote a funny message in the comments field of his
Contribution that I thought summed things up pretty well:
"Worth every penny and I'm a tightwad!"
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this
year! It is greatly appreciated.
Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Matt,
Thanks again for you're "Lists" and Happy Birthday!
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Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
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Subject: Kolb-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am officially 42 years old (sympathy is appreciated)!
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year!
:-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising,
no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a
Contribution today to support their continued operation and
upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List
operation and keep the bills paid.
A Lister wrote a funny message in the comments field of his
Contribution that I thought summed things up pretty well:
"Worth every penny and I'm a tightwad!"
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this
year! It is greatly appreciated.
Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Aileron gap seals |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Hi listers,
Does anyone have any closeup views of the aileron gap seals? I.e. what they
look like, how they're attached and etc.?
My FSII was built without the seals and I'm giving some thought to adding
some to improve the aileron response. I might put one on the elevator gap
too if it's an easy mod, since there's a good gap there too....
I don't think the seals are shown on the plans for my plane, it's an older
'96 model.....
Also, does anyone happen to have closeups of the stick design in the modern
FSII? I believe Kolb redesigned this lately to make the parts easier to
manufacture. I'm just curious what it looks like.
Thanks,
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 11/28/2005 12:48:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@davidlehman.net writes:
I'm planning to haul a folded wings Firestar 770 miles this month... I'll
be using a flatbed trailer... Any words of wisdom?...
Thanx...
Sounds like you won't have any structure around your plane.....I pulled mine
1200 miles from Ohio to The Villages Fla that way and really stressed the
baby out with the many crosswinds on the way down. It was wrapped with plastic
wrap, and I bought a big plastic tarp, folded and sewed on one side and
plopped it over the wing tips to break the wind (tips were forward). All worked
good except those dad blamed crosswinds on that large area of the folded wings.
Found myself going the same speed as 18 wheelers and staying in their lee on
the downwind side....that allowed me to go faster without undue tippiness on
the trailer.
Of course all this occurred during Hurricane Jean......but ...then....who
said I made ALL the right decisions......
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Try again...
I don't know what's causing some of my messages to come out so weird!...
Thanx for the information George...
I'll be fighting winds, snow, ice, etc... December's not the best time to haul
an airplane in the NW, but I'm anxious!...
David
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
David L/Gang:
Maybe..............if you change your email from HTML to Plaintext,
your posts will come out on the Kolb List so we can all understand
what you are trying to communicate.
If that is not the problem, maybe Matte or someone else has some help
to get your problem squared away.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
titus, alabama
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling...
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring diagram |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:20:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rap@isp.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: rap@isp.com
As the wiring diagram says it is a work in progress.I still have not
determined the cicuit breaker req'd for the started soleniod. And I'm
not real sure about my wiring of the rectifier.
Rick Pearce Mark3C amphib
on the rectifier, just make sure the ac side is not grounded with the dc
side....otherwise it will blow the bridge
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/2005 11:26:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@davidlehman.net writes:
Try again...
I don't know what's causing some of my messages to come out so weird!...
Thanx for the information George...
I'll be fighting winds, snow, ice, etc... December's not the best time to
haul an airplane in the NW, but I'm anxious!...
David
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Oh! did I forget to say that hurricane Jean blew the one out of 2 tires off
the road 3 times....it was .............exciting.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991
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| Subject: | Mark III on EBAY |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
REGUARDING THE The Mark III on EBAY I hear he'll take 12,500. It's been
flipped, frame is cracking, needs some love.
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| Subject: | New Memeber Q's on Mark III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< Kolb themselves - how is the current company to deal with as far as
service, parts, quality of the build manuals and so on? >>
Lucien, and fellow Kolbers -
Here's my answer: This summer, I installed a Rotax-912ul on my Mark-III.
To do this, I had to order a 912 Installation Kit from the Kolb factory
($850.) I called Travis at TNK and told him I needed the kit, but at that
price, I'd have to save up for a few weeks and therefore, would not be
ordering it for another month or so.
Three days later, the kit shows up on my doorstep with a note from Travis
saying, "Here's the Kit - get started on your installation. Send us a check
when you can."
How many companies provide THAT kind of customer support? I rest my case.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, in
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
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<span
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how is the current company to deal with as far as
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the build manuals and so on?
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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a Rotax-912ul on my Mark-III. To do this, I had to order a 912
Installation Kit from the Kolb factory ($850.) I called Travis at TNK and
told him I needed the kit, but at that price, Id have to save up for a
few weeks and therefore, would not be ordering it for another month or so.
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<<... Any words of wisdom? ... Thanx >>
David -
I, too, use a flatbed trailer to transport my Mark-III.
Here is my idea for supporting the tail:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005/
<http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005
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Once on the trailer, I set an old tire under the dolly for added shock
absorption.
The whole affair is then securely strapped down.
Works great.
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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<span
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wisdom? ... Thanx
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I, too, use a flatbed trailer to transport my
Mark-III.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Here is my idea for supporting the tail:
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Once on the trailer, I set an old tire under the dolly for
added shock absorption.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The whole affair is then securely strapped down.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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| Subject: | Hauling Kolbs on flat beds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
You may also consider removing the wings and laying them flat on the trailer deck
to reduce side area.
If you are pulling with a truck that has a cap, or a van, one of the wings can
even be strapped to the roof.
With the bird exposed you really get a lot of wind loads on the folded structure
that it is not meant to take.
Also dont forget to make control locks for the tail feathers, I made mine out of
CPVC pipe with pipe foam insulation over them for padding. You need four TEEs
and four elbows in addition to the pipe.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Hauling... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Dennis, more great ideas and I appreciate the pictures, thanx...
David
On 11/30/05, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <
> Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> <<... Any words of wisdom? ... Thanx >>
>
>
> David -
>
>
> I, too, use a flatbed trailer to transport my Mark-III.
>
> Here is my idea for supporting the tail:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005/
> <
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005
> />
>
>
> Once on the trailer, I set an old tire under the dolly for added shock
> absorption.
>
> The whole affair is then securely strapped down.
>
> Works great.
>
>
> Dennis Kirby
>
> New Mexico
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Denny, I've been considering the "wing removed" option too... I
noticed the tail lock in some of the pictures on the net... How long do the
pieces of pipe need to be?... Unfortunately, I don't have a Kolb locally to
look at, so I'm going to have to prepare everything before I go to pick it
up...
Thanx again...
David
On 11/30/05, Denny Rowe <rowedl@highstream.net> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
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> You may also consider removing the wings and laying them flat on the
> trailer deck to reduce side area.
> If you are pulling with a truck that has a cap, or a van, one of the wings
> can even be strapped to the roof.
> With the bird exposed you really get a lot of wind loads on the folded
> structure that it is not meant to take.
> Also dont forget to make control locks for the tail feathers, I made mine
> out of CPVC pipe with pipe foam insulation over them for padding. You need
> four TEEs and four elbows in addition to the pipe.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III on EBAY |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
David Key wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> REGUARDING THE The Mark III on EBAY I hear he'll take 12,500. It's been
> flipped, frame is cracking, needs some love.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
Dave I think you may be thinking of another MKIII that for sale but not
on Ebay?? If you are refering to the one I think you are it's a nice
plane and worth $12,500. As for the crack it's just one weld that needs
redone. It's in my hanger and if I did'nt already have two planes I
would probably buy it. ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
My Kolb Ultra Star was transported about 800 miles about one year ago on a flat
bed trailer. The wings were removed and stacked underneath the fuselage with
a light wood frame between them to keep them apart. Every thing was wrapped in
a commercial grade plastic similar to Saran Wrap. Careful planing and wrapping
will insure there is no gap that will permit wind to get in between any sections
of the structure. The wrap is available at most hardware stores and Lowes
and comes in a large roll about two feet in width. Is quite cheap. Movers blankets
were wrapped across corners and pointy areas before the plastic wrap. The
rear of the fuselage should be supported in some manner so the aircraft doesn't
rest on the tail wheel. Lash every thing down securely and there should be
no problem. I would strongly suggest that you don't haul it with wings folded.
You can encounter some pretty strong unexpected side loadings in a long haul
like that. Could even tilt the trailer.
David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: David
Lehman
Thanx Denny, I've been considering the "wing removed" option too... I
noticed the tail lock in some of the pictures on the net... How long do the
pieces of pipe need to be?... Unfortunately, I don't have a Kolb locally to
look at, so I'm going to have to prepare everything before I go to pick it
up...
Thanx again...
David
On 11/30/05, Denny Rowe wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe"
>
> You may also consider removing the wings and laying them flat on the
> trailer deck to reduce side area.
> If you are pulling with a truck that has a cap, or a van, one of the wings
> can even be strapped to the roof.
> With the bird exposed you really get a lot of wind loads on the folded
> structure that it is not meant to take.
> Also dont forget to make control locks for the tail feathers, I made mine
> out of CPVC pipe with pipe foam insulation over them for padding. You need
> four TEEs and four elbows in addition to the pipe.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III on EBAY |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
12,500 ??? The buy it now price on ebay is 11,500 dollars. If you come up
with that you can end the auction and have your Mark III right now.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | New Memeber Q's on Mark III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I decided on the Kolb MK III Xtra due to its flying qualities and design
above all else, that is what is most important to me. That being said.....
Now that I having the Mark III built, and the Kolb company has been awesome.
They are very responsive and helpful, and Travis does everything possible
to make whatever I need happen. You could not deal with a better, more
honest and hard working bunch of people. A really good product backed by a
great bunch of people, it just does not get any better than that !!!!
Mike Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III on EBAY |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Sorry wrong one I got it confused with the one on Barnstormers.
>From: "Michael Bigelow" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III on EBAY
>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:52:41 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>12,500 ??? The buy it now price on ebay is 11,500 dollars. If you come
>up
>with that you can end the auction and have your Mark III right now.
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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