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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 09/19/06 (vonne van hertum)
2. 01:25 AM - Re: New Member Panel Question (noel anderson)
3. 05:53 AM - lawyer story, NOT exactly Kolb related (Thom Riddle)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question (Jeff Nelson)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: lawyer story, NOT exactly Kolb related (Robert Laird)
6. 06:21 AM - Re: Alternitive Engines (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 06:29 AM - Re: lawyer story, NOT exactly Kolb related (Thom Riddle)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: lawyer story, NOT exactly Kolb related (J.D. Stewart)
9. 06:49 AM - (retitled) alternative engines (robert bean)
10. 06:50 AM - Re: Full stall landings (Richard Pike)
11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: 1st post (pat ladd)
12. 10:21 AM - Re: Full stall landings aka UNSRIBE ME (Bob Noyer)
13. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes (Bob Noyer)
14. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes (john s. flannery)
15. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: 1st post (john s. flannery)
16. 11:34 AM - Homecoming (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
17. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes (Bob Noyer)
18. 01:14 PM - Re: (retitled) alternative engines (WillUribe@aol.com)
19. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes (russ kinne)
20. 04:00 PM - wish this was my hanger (ron wehba)
21. 07:24 PM - Re: Homecoming (Ralph Hoover)
22. 07:29 PM - Re: Full stall landings aka UNSRIBE ME (Ralph Hoover)
23. 07:37 PM - Re: Full stall landings (Ralph Hoover)
24. 07:38 PM - Re: Alternitive Engines (Ralph Hoover)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: Kolbs on tour, photos available (Ralph Hoover)
26. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: Full stall landings (Richard Pike)
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> 1. 02:47 AM - Re: 1st post (pat ladd)
> 2. 05:18 AM - Re: Full stall landings (Thom Riddle)
> 3. 07:39 AM - Re: Full stall landings (Richard Girard)
> 4. 07:42 AM - Re: 1st post (Richard Girard)
> 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Full stall landings (John Hauck)
> 6. 11:01 AM - New Member Panel Question (Jeff Nelson)
> 7. 12:04 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Larry Cottrell)
> 8. 12:38 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (possums)
> 9. 02:21 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (David Lehman)
> 10. 02:33 PM - Re: 1st post (e.bayliss)
> 11. 02:42 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (planecrazzzy)
> 12. 02:55 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Ralph Hoover)
> 13. 03:04 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Ralph Hoover)
> 14. 03:21 PM - Re: 1st post (Ralph Hoover)
> 15. 03:39 PM - FS II Panel (Chris Mallory)
> 16. 04:40 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Larry Bourne)
> 17. 04:54 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (jerb)
> 18. 05:03 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (robert bean)
> 19. 05:41 PM - Re: Kolb Homecoming (Eugene Zimmerman)
> 20. 05:49 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Mike Schnabel)
> 21. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question (Bob Noyer)
> 22. 06:05 PM - Re: Kolb Homecoming (Mike Schnabel)
> 23. 06:09 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
> 24. 06:37 PM - Re: Kolbs on tour, photos available (
> WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
> 25. 06:47 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Bill Vincent)
> 26. 06:56 PM - Re: Kolb Homecoming (Denny Rowe)
> 27. 07:12 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (WillUribe@aol.com)
> 28. 07:22 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Charlie England)
> 29. 08:26 PM - Re: Full stall landings (robert bean)
> 30. 08:37 PM - Re: Full stall landings (vonne van hertum)
> 31. 08:42 PM - Re: Full stall landings (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
> 32. 09:06 PM - Re: Full stall landings (Larry Bourne)
> 33. 09:08 PM - Re: Full stall landings (Larry Cottrell)
> 34. 10:04 PM - Re: Full stall landings (robert bean)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:47:35 AM PST US
> From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:18:13 AM PST US
> From: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> APilot@webtv.net,
>
> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack
> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall)
> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you
> can stall it in three-point.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
> do not archive
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:39:07 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or
> borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep trying.
> Have
> you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put your whole self
> into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use one notch of flaps to
> really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your main gear looks like it was
> designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon Town.
> I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg, sleeved,
> no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't get a
> consistent
> three point out of mine, either.
> Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm
> finding
> it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put it. I can
> wheel
> it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off the speed as gently as
> possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in a three point attitude. I
> don't believe the wing is stalled at that point, but I no longer get that
> annoying ground slam when it does and that's all I really care about.
>
> Rick
>
> On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> > APilot@webtv.net,
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack
> > on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall)
> > angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you
> > can stall it in three-point.
> >
> > Thom in Buffalo
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:42:22 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post
>
> Is the message here that brevity is the soul of wit?
>
> On 9/19/06, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:57:38 AM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Seriously, you've got to put your whole self
> flaps to
>
>
>
> Rick:
>
> I usually land with full flaps, on the mkIII. That puts the aircraft
> into an attitude that is not quite as nose high as half flaps or no
> flaps at all.
>
> My mkIII sits somewhat higher in the nose, but the 8" Maule Tundra
> Tail Wheel canceled some of that out, unfortunately.
>
> Should get a chance to practice landings in the Factory FSII this
> week. We'll see if I can still land a Kolb that is in the normal
> landing gear configuration.
>
> Plan to get out of hauck's holler in the morning and sleep on Labhart
> Field tomorrow night.
>
> See you all there,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:01:53 AM PST US
> From: "Jeff Nelson" <jenelson1@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> Hello All
>
> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP.
> It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one
> was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it.
> My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what
> configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right
> now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach
> 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my
> handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that
> might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can
> fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention
> as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year.
>
> Thank for your time
> Jeff Nelson
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:04:28 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> If you can get all that in a KXP panel, my hats off to you. I am faced
> with the same thing having destroyed my old pod. The new one from TNK
> seems to be a bit different and more streamlined. (read smaller) I was
> faced with buying two new gages so that I could have two EGT and CHT
> measurements so I opted to get a EIS from Grand Rapids Tech. Then all
> you need is fuel gages, altimeter, air speed and compass. They do have a
> unit that has an altimeter built in. What convinced me was the fact that
> they have a remote feature that you can remotely wire the functions for
> your stick? or any where else you want it. I just went out and took a
> picture, since that is what I have been working on, and I notice that it
> is set in the panel upside down. I have been trying to tame the wiring
> mess that is involved in this and just secured the connectors and shoved
> it into the panel. The harness has 12 feet of wires so there is plenty
> to get to anywhere you want. I dealt direct with the factory, ( the gal
> that answers the phone is sharp and will save you a lot of trouble as
> well as money) and was much happier and confident that I would be
> getting what I needed.
> Larry, Oregon
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Nelson
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:00 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
>
> Hello All
>
> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
> KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and
> one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild
> it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what
> configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right
> now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach
> 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my
> handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that
> might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can
> fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention
> as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year.
>
> Thank for your time
> Jeff Nelson
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:38:35 PM PST US
> From: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
> >Hello All
> >
> >My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
> >KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates
> >and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to
> >rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your
> >panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that
> >are available?
>
>
> I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:21:47 PM PST US
> From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> WOW!... Where does one get one of those EFIS, terrain map, TV
> thingies?...
> That's cool!...
>
> DVD
>
>
> On 9/19/06, possums <possums@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > Hello All
> >
> > My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP.
> > It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one
> wa
> s
> > the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My
> > question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what
> > configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available?
> >
> >
> > I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:33:38 PM PST US
> From: "e.bayliss" <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "e.bayliss" <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
> First
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post
>
> And to vic (sacramento) who asked about my cg location , I am an ex trike
> (weightshift ) pilot ,as you know we do not do weight and balance with
> trikes so I am going to have to get my head round understanding this with
> the help of my instructor, I have dug out the weight and balance sheet
> that
> was very kindly sorted out for me by the inspector who did the permit
> inspection and check weighed the aircraft , according to this form the
> forward cg limit is 325mm (12.795 inch) and the reaward limit is 570mm (
> 22.44090 inch)at max of 390kg (859.794 lbs) and min of 200 kg (440.920lbs)
> with the datum point being the leading edge of the wing . I hope this
> makes
> sense to you .I do know however, that it felt great to fly and with pitch
> control forces being about the same as I am used to but the stick forces
> in
> roll are a lot heavier than the plane I did the conversion to three axis
> training in ( ikarus C42) . It was nothing that needs worrying about ,
> just
> different
> .Now I am looking forward to getting some more training in with my
> conversion pilot when he has free time . Hopefully after an hour or two in
> the circuit I can master the landing and get some solo hours in to settle
> down with the kolb and then post some photos of my local area and airfield
>
> Eddie (Liverpool)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <APilot@webtv.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
> >
> > What is your CG location (25, 28, 30 or higher)? My Kolb was not very
> > much fun to fly at 33% location, but it is a dream to fly at the 28%
> > location. You may notice that it drops in rather suddenly as you full
> > stall it just over the runway. Some have recommended that newer pilots
> > do wheel landing at first, to help keep the landing gear from bending.
> > Vic (Sacramento, California)
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:42:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question
> From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> Here's my Firestar II panel...
>
> I like the miZer , I LOVE the EIS w/VSI
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
> --------
> ..
> ..
> ..
> ..
> ..
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62592#62592
>
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> ________________________________ Message
> 12 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:55:42 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question
> From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com
> >
>
> First, Possum, Watch that VNe, 90 !! what! That is a firestar is it not?
>
> Now to Jeff's question. EIS is very good and the company jumps through
> hoops according
> to responses on this site.
>
> I personally opted for $ 600. in instruments. They are from The Sport
> Flying Shop (
> www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/MaxiSingles/maxisingles.html )
> and are the "Statomasters. Just like diamonds, you can drop a lot on glass.
> Choose carefully what you want to accomplish. My two gauges; E-1 EMS for
> engine monitoring covers two EGT's, Two CHT's, RPM and hour meter. The EGT
> and CHT as well as RPM are shown in numbers as well as settable bar graph.
> Also included is an external reset able warning lamp signal (gotta buy your
> own lamp). The other glass gauge is the "Flight - 2 , 3.5 gauge. This
> covers all flight information; ALT, ASI, RPM, Fuel level, fuel range, and
> all kinds of other (unused by me, information). I specifically like the
> VSI. Again, a l ot of info is bar graphed and the numbers are readable from
> the seat of a Firestar. Also the warning levels, such as ASI stall, and
> others are settable. (Again you have to drop a dime on your own bulbs for
> the red warning).!
> They are the 3.5" Maxi singles.
>
> I the attached pictures, you will note the engine on the left and the
> flight on
> the right. Ideal for me. And yes, that is a mechanical ASI in the center.
> As
> per my instructor, "leave it in in case electric failure". I have come to
> read
> it mostly and the glass for everything else. One problem I do have with
> the Stratomaster
> gauges with the warning lamp. It may also exist with the EIS. When
> your properly strapped in your firestar, you can't reach the gauges to
> "touch
> any button to reset the warning lamps"! I have advised the Sport flying
> shop.
> They were intrigued by my suggestions. The chip driving these instruments
> have
> sooooooo much extra function capability, it would take very little to
> write
> code for a momentary, off gauge push button to reset the system. I now use
> a plastic
> stick, one foot long carried on the right side of my seat to reset the
> gauges, or to move to other functions within the left lower quadrant of
> the Flight
> - 2.
>
> Now if only I could convince them to add a small "gryo" chip, man wha we
> could
> have in one instrument. I do dearly love that VSI. Great information, my
> butt
> has yet to recognize. THe distance from where your head is and where the
> gauges
> are is something to consider when you think size. I don't believe you
> could
> pack more "readable" gauges into a Kolb Firestar instrument panel than I
> have.
> Refering to information displaying not quantity. Someone, I'm sure has
> more gauges.
>
> Also, Should you desire, I made a template set that includes the dash
> panel cutout.
> This assumes you have the origional fiberglass nosecone and dash molded
> in.
> It allows you to cut out the area needed for the "flip down" instrument
> panel
> (some fitting required). TYhen the second piece is to lay over a piece of
> aluminum
> or colored lexan or material of your choice (I used aluminum and made
> swirles with a sander for dispersing light on flat shinny aluminum). The
> second
> template also has the three cutouts for gauges I have installed (members,
> I
> installed my 3.5 Mechanical ASI back in). And it also includes the tick or
> punch
> marks for the power switches (left and right) as well as fuses (left and
> right)
> and of course the "warning lamps" that are not included but avaliable at
> radio shack. I will lend these out for a deposit of $ 50.00. You get it
> all back
> when I get the templates back. I am not trying to make any money, but
> others
> may also want to skip the learning process of weeks taht I went through to
> determin
> clearances (remember, the nose tapers drastically), and the ability to
> hinge the panel to get to wireing (what a Blessing that is to correct
> wiring
> or change parts or pieces and to swing the panel out of the way in order
> to work
> on the Pitiot tube and Strobe system in teh front.
>
> I hope this helps!
> Ohio Ralph shooting straight from the hip!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62593#62593
>
>
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>
> ________________________________ Message
> 13 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:04:08 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question
> From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com
> >
>
> OK, thats it!
>
> I saw Planecrazzys polished waxed and supurbly detailed instrument panel.
> But there
> are no markers as to what is being displayed on the EIS. Therefore, I have
> attached a photo, in flight showing what you see from the seat and how the
> legends
> of the "Stratomaster Gauges" strut their stuff!
>
> But, I am not in any way saying that Planecrazys "Mizer" ain't the
> purdiest thing
> on any plane I've seen yet!
>
> Ralph of Ohio!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62596#62596
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message
> 14 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:21:37 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 1st post
> From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com
> >
>
> Eddie in Liverpool,
>
> Let me just tell you from the American get go, we don't do no micrometer
> here in
> America. Everything we do comes out in 1/4", 1/8" 1/2" or teh full inch.
>
> I wanna, when I get some money, come over there and beat-up
> your inspector cause
> he has to be wrong.
>
> "forward cg limit is 325mm (12.795 inch) and the reaward limit is 570mm (
> 22.44090 inch)at max of 390kg (859.794 lbs) and min of 200 kg (440.920lbs)"
>
> See, eddie, we would only have that dimension 12.795 at 12.750 or
> 7....whetre is
> my dag nab calculator, slide rule, demension scale thing....?
>
>
> Oh, never mind Eddie, he messed up on the weightt thing also, see we don't
> weigh
> things at 440.920 here in America unless it was going on the space shuddle
> and
> each gram cost a million dollars (38000.357.6 pounds).
>
> The actual weight of the plane would be max 860 pounds and the minium
> would be
> 440 pounds, because we don't want to have to deal with one pound or a
> bunch of
> ounces!
>
> Welcome to the torture box, brother flier. I am so glad to hear your
> getting to
> fly after reading poor Pats escapades. Hope you can take the ragging this
> site
> has to offer! Now I am going out and have a stout!
>
> Ohio Ralph looking to get 50 push-ups from John H!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62600#62600
>
>
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> 15 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:39:44 PM PST US
> From: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: FS II Panel
>
> This is a picture of the panel on my FS II.
> The gauge behind the GPS is a fuel pressure gauge for the aux. ful pump.
>
> Chris Mallory
>
> do not archive
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 16 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:40:28 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> Possum, you a baaaaad boy. :-) Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: possums
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
>
> At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
>
> Hello All
>
> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
> KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and
> one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild
> it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what
> configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available?
>
>
> I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 17 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:54:15 PM PST US
> From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> Here's what we had on our FireFly.
>
> []
>
>
> At 01:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
> >Hello All
> >
> >My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
> >KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates
> >and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to
> >rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your
> >panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that
> >are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3
> >1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure
> >these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are
> >there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I
> >hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few
> >other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing
> >this in LSA this year.
> >
> >Thank for your time
> >Jeff Nelson
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 18 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:03:10 PM PST US
> From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> I am especially impressed with the 85 mph climb!
>
> On 19, Sep 2006, at 3:31 PM, possums wrote:
>
> > At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
> >> Hello All
> >> -
> >> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
>
> >> KXP.- It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some
> updates
> >> and one was the panel.- It was not in good shape so I am going to
>
> >> rebuild it.- My question is this.- What do you all have in your
>
> >> panels and what configuration is it?- Are there any pictures that
> are
> >> available?
> >
> > I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
> > <yiprEs.gif><Panel.jpg>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 19 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:41:14 PM PST US
> From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> Kolb friends,
>
> Just a note to inform you that Steve made it to Smoketown PA Monday
> evening. Weather front passed through with rain Tue. with Steve
> spending the day with Terry Frantz. A beautiful evening after the
> passage of the weather front gave several of us local guys the
> opportunity to fly in an meet Steve, a real prince of man with a
> beeaauutiful Mark III, bearing Homer Kolb's personal autograph.
> Sorry I didn't have my camera along to share a pict or two with you all.
> Steve decided because of the forecasted head winds to cut off the
> Albany and Buffalo leg of his trip and go straight to Columbus Ohio
> leaving from Smoketown Wed, AM. Hell visit the Miller's, then head
> from there back down to the TNK annual Fly-in.
>
> Steve sure does know how to make a normal guy feel envious. <g>
>
> Gene,
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Steven Green wrote:
>
> > I have the plane packed and ready for departure early in the
> > morning, if the morning fog is favorable. I plan to circle the
> > Appalachian Mountains enroute to TNK. I will leave TN heading
> > south through Jasper, GA then up the east side of the mountains
> > through the Shanendoa valley, Smoketown, PA, Albany and Buffalo,
> > NY, Columbus, OH then south to London. The weather looks like I
> > may spend Tuesday watching it rain but it should pass on through,
> >
> > Hope to see Ya'll in London
> > Steven Green
> > MKIII
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_-
> > ============================================================ _-
> > forums.matronics.com_-
> > ============================================================ _-
> > ============================================================ _-
> > contribution_-
> > ==========================================================
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 20 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:49:27 PM PST US
> From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> Ok gang, trying this again, the Matronics size limit bit me on the first
> try...
> i think i was 3 kilobites over... whew, good thing they caught me, might
> have
> stalled on landing and bent a gear!
>
> --------------------------
>
> Jeff,
>
> I could not resist tossing my 2 cents in... heres my FSII panel, designed
> by,
> not sure, either Bryan Melborn or built by him per Jesse Saxion. Either
> way,
> i like it for the most part, the Richie compass... well,,, that might get
> replaced
> someday... soon.
>
> Good luck to you with you newly aquired Kolb!
>
> Mike S
> Manchester TN
> Firestar 2 503
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Jeff Nelson <jenelson1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All
>
> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
> KXP. It
> did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was
> the panel.
> It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is
> this.
> What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are
> there
> any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8",
> Airspeed
> 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure
> these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there
> any
> other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this
> done
> so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need
> attention
> as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year.
>
> Thank for your time
> Jeff Nelson
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 21 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:59:58 PM PST US
> From: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question
>
> Here's just a plain panel, good for FireFlying:
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/FF_20Panel1a.jpg
>
>
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 22 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:05:56 PM PST US
> From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming
>
> Gene,
>
> Thanks for the update on Steve. I will second your comments about him
> being one
> fine gentleman. He flew over to my place a few weeks ago and let me have
> some
> time PIC in his very nice MKIII. Of course with the limited approach and
> departures,
> he did all the real work! But he exemplified what the flying brethren
> are about, sharing, and he was very kind and welcome to do just that.
>
> I am still struggling to make commitments disappear so I can visit TNK
> this weekend,
> I wanted to trailer the FSII up for a look over by the gang at the
> factory,
> now am just hoping to haul my butt and a tent for at least one nights
> stay.
> Still have my hopes up. Look forward to meeting you all there if I get
> things
> to work out!
>
> (attached is a pic of Steven ready to hit the air)
>
> Mike S
> Manchester TN
> Firestar 2 503
>
> do not archive
>
> Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>
> Kolb friends,
>
> Just a note to inform you that Steve made it to Smoketown PA Monday
> evening. Weather front passed through with rain Tue. with Steve
> spending the day with Terry Frantz. A beautiful evening after the
> passage of the weather front gave several of us local guys the
> opportunity to fly in an meet Steve, a real prince of man with a
> beeaauutiful Mark III, bearing Homer Kolb's personal autograph.
> Sorry I didn't have my camera along to share a pict or two with you all.
> Steve decided because of the forecasted head winds to cut off the
> Albany and Buffalo leg of his trip and go straight to Columbus Ohio
> leaving from Smoketown Wed, AM. Hell visit the Miller's, then head
> from there back down to the TNK annual Fly-in.
>
> Steve sure does know how to make a normal guy feel envious.
>
> Gene,
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Steven Green wrote:
>
> > I have the plane packed and ready for departure early in the
> > morning, if the morning fog is favorable. I plan to circle the
> > Appalachian Mountains enroute to TNK. I will leave TN heading
> > south through Jasper, GA then up the east side of the mountains
> > through the Shanendoa valley, Smoketown, PA, Albany and Buffalo,
> > NY, Columbus, OH then south to London. The weather looks like I
> > may spend Tuesday watching it rain but it should pass on through,
> >
> > Hope to see Ya'll in London
> > Steven Green
> > MKIII
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_-
> > ============================================================ _-
> > forums.matronics.com_-
> > ============================================================ _-
> > ============================================================ _-
> > contribution_-
> > ==========================================================
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 23 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US
> From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> Heres a picture of my cockpit setup if it will give you any ideas
>
> notice the center console to mount the GPS on and the radio right in front
> of
> the seat between the legs
>
> Ellery in Rebuilt Original Firestar
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 24 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:37:34 PM PST US
> From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs on tour, photos available
>
>
> In a message dated 9/17/2006 11:52:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> kfackler@ameritech.net writes:
>
> If you'd like to see some pictures of these Kolbs during the trip, they
> can
> be found here:
> http://www.kfackler.com/kolb/tour/
>
>
> Ken,
>
> Good work on the pictures.
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
> Do Not Archive
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 25 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:47:18 PM PST US
> From: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> Hi Jeff & Gang
> This panel has worked well for me, all 380 hours of it.
>
> Bill Vincent
> Firestar II
> Upper Peninsula of Michigan
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 26 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:56:39 PM PST US
> From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Sounds like he is going to fly right over my place on Wednesday.
> Might know I'll be working day shift. :-(
> Tell him McVille P-37 has resonable 100LL.
> Denny Rowe
> 724 882 6788, cell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net
> >
> >
> > Kolb friends,
> >
> > Just a note to inform you that Steve made it to Smoketown PA Monday
> > evening. Weather front passed through with rain Tue. with
> Steve spending
> > the day with Terry Frantz. A beautiful evening after the passage of the
> > weather front gave several of us local guys the opportunity to fly in
> an
> > meet Steve, a real prince of man with a beeaauutiful Mark III, bearing
> > Homer Kolb's personal autograph.
> > Sorry I didn't have my camera along to share a pict or two with you all.
> > Steve decided because of the forecasted head winds to cut off
> the Albany
> > and Buffalo leg of his trip and go straight to Columbus Ohio leaving
> from
> > Smoketown Wed, AM. Hell visit the Miller's, then head from there back
> > down to the TNK annual Fly-in.
> >
> > Steve sure does know how to make a normal guy feel envious. <g>
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Steven Green wrote:
> >
> >> I have the plane packed and ready for departure early in the morning,
> if
> >> the morning fog is favorable. I plan to circle the Appalachian
> >> Mountains enroute to TNK. I will leave TN heading south through
> Jasper,
> >> GA then up the east side of the mountains through the Shanendoa
> valley,
> >> Smoketown, PA, Albany and Buffalo, NY, Columbus, OH then south to
> >> London. The weather looks like I may spend Tuesday watching it rain
> but
> >> it should pass on through,
> >>
> >> Hope to see Ya'll in London
> >> Steven Green
> >> MKIII
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_-
> >> ============================================================ _-
> >> forums.matronics.com_-
> >> ============================================================ _-
> >> ============================================================ _-
> >> contribution_-
> >> ==========================================================
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 27 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:12:00 PM PST US
> From: WillUribe@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 28 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:22:25 PM PST US
> From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> FWIW, the 'small' option is plenty big enough when using the MS image
> resizer.
>
> Mike Schnabel wrote:
>
> > Ok gang, trying this again, the Matronics size limit bit me on the
> > first try... i think i was 3 kilobites over... whew, good thing they
> > caught me, might have stalled on landing and bent a gear!
> >
> > --------------------------
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I could not resist tossing my 2 cents in... heres my FSII panel,
> > designed by, not sure, either Bryan Melborn or built by him per Jesse
> > Saxion. Either way, i like it for the most part, the Richie compass...
> > well,,, that might get replaced someday... soon.
> >
> > Good luck to you with you newly aquired Kolb!
> >
> > Mike S
> > Manchester TN
> > Firestar 2 503
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Jeff Nelson <jenelson1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All
> >
> > My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb
> > Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do
> > some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I
> > am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all
> > have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any
> > pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3
> > 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity
> > 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio
> > mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might
> > combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can
> > fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need
> > attention as well. I will also
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 29 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:26:32 PM PST US
> From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow delight.
> Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle,
> maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks.
> Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me,
> but close enough.
> Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter
> you should be able to judge when you're close enough.
> Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane.
> BB, MkIII, suzuki G10
> do not archive
> On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or
>
> > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep
> > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put
>
> > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use
>
> > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your
> > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon
> > Town.
> > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg,
> > sleeved,- no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I
> couldn't
> > get a consistent three point out of mine, either.
> > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm
> > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put
>
> > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off
> > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in
>
> > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that
> > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and
>
> > that's all I really care about.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
> wrote:APilot@webtv.net,
> >>
> >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of
> attack
> >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall)
> >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and
> you
> >> can stall it in three-point.
> >>
> >> Thom in Buffalo
> >> do not archive
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Girard
> > "Ya'll drop on in"
> > takes on a whole new meaning
> > when you live at the airport.
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 30 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:37:53 PM PST US
> From: "vonne van hertum" <stoppnvd@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> *FOR THE LAST TIME*
>
> **
>
> *UNSRIBE ME!!!*
>
>
> 2006/9/19, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>:
> >
> > The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow delight.
> > Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle,
> > maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks.
> > Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me,
> > but close enough.
> > Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter
> > you should be able to judge when you're close enough.
> > Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane.
> > BB, MkIII, suzuki G10
> > do not archive
> > On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> >
> > > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or
> > > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep
> > > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put
> > > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use
> > > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your
> > > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon
> > > Town.
> > > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg,
> > > sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't
> > > get a consistent three point out of mine, either.
> > > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm
> > > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put
> > > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off
> > > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in
> > > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that
> > > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and
> > > that's all I really care about.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:APilot@webtv.net
> ,
> > >>
> > >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of
> attack
> > >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall)
> > >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and
> you
> > >> can stall it in three-point.
> > >>
> > >> Thom in Buffalo
> > >> do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rick Girard
> > > "Ya'll drop on in"
> > > takes on a whole new meaning
> > > when you live at the airport.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 31 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:42:01 PM PST US
> From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> Richard
> Hows that Suzuki G10 been treating you Keep us informed as I have an
> intrist
> in it for future plans
>
> Ellery
> do not archive
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 32 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:06:16 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> Read the instructions and un-sub-scribe yourself. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vonne van hertum
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
>
> FOR THE LAST TIME
>
>
> UNSRIBE ME!!!
>
>
> 2006/9/19, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>:
> The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow
> delight.
> Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle,
> maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks.
> Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me,
> but close enough.
> Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter
> you should be able to judge when you're close enough.
> Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane.
> BB, MkIII, suzuki G10
> do not archive
> On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that,
> or
> > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep
> > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to
> put
> > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and
> use
> > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM.
> Your
> > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon
> > Town.
> > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg,
> > sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I
> couldn't
> > get a consistent three point out of mine, either.
> > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now
> I'm
> > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers
> put
> > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed
> off
> > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so
> in
> > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at
> that
> > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does
> and
> > that's all I really care about.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle < jtriddle@adelphia.net>
> wrote:APilot@webtv.net,
> >>
> >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of
> attack
> >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the
> Critical(stall)
> >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough
> and you
> >> can stall it in three-point.
> >>
> >> Thom in Buffalo
> >> do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Girard
> > "Ya'll drop on in"
> > takes on a whole new meaning
> > when you live at the airport.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 33 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:08:51 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> Why don't you unsubscribe yourself!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vonne van hertum
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
>
> FOR THE LAST TIME
>
>
> UNSRIBE ME!!!
>
>
> 2006/9/19, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>:
> The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow
> delight.
> Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle,
> maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks.
> Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me,
> but close enough.
> Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter
> you should be able to judge when you're close enough.
> Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane.
> BB, MkIII, suzuki G10
> do not archive
> On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that,
> or
> > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep
> > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to
> put
> > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and
> use
> > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM.
> Your
> > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon
> > Town.
> > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg,
> > sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I
> couldn't
> > get a consistent three point out of mine, either.
> > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now
> I'm
> > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers
> put
> > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed
> off
> > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so
> in
> > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at
> that
> > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does
> and
> > that's all I really care about.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle < jtriddle@adelphia.net>
> wrote:APilot@webtv.net,
> >>
> >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of
> attack
> >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the
> Critical(stall)
> >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough
> and you
> >> can stall it in three-point.
> >>
> >> Thom in Buffalo
> >> do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Girard
> > "Ya'll drop on in"
> > takes on a whole new meaning
> > when you live at the airport.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 34 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:04:15 PM PST US
> From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
>
> Ellery, I'll get back to you off list -BB (the G10 guy)
> On 19, Sep 2006, at 11:41 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Richard
> > Hows that Suzuki G10 been treating you Keep us informed- as I have
> an
> > intrist in it for future plans
> >
> > ------------------------
> ------ Ellery
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
--
graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl
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| Subject: | lawyer story, NOT exactly Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
There have been many discussions on liability and lawyers on this Kolb list, in
particular, ways to limit builder's liability. We tend to blame lawyers on this
situation in America and probably with good reason. In that spirit, I offer
the following story, reputed to be true, about a lawyer and his shenanigans.
Enjoy or skip.... your choice.
Greatest Lawyer Story EVER!
Charlotte, North Carolina. A lawyer purchased a box of very rare and
expensive cigars, then insured them against, among other things, fire.
Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of these great
cigars and without yet having made even his first premium payment on the policy
the lawyer filed a claim against the insurance company.
In his claim, the lawyer stated the cigars were lost "in a series of
small fires."
The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason, that
the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.
The lawyer sued.. and WON!
(Stay with me.)
Delivering the ruling, the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim
was frivolous. The judge stated nevertheless, that the lawyer held a policy
from the company, which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and also
guaranteed that it would insure them against fire, without defining what is
considered to be unacceptable fire" and was obligated to pay the claim.
Rather than endure lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance
company accepted the ruling and paid $15,000 to the lawyer for his loss of the
cigars lost in the "fires".
NOW FOR THE BEST PART..
After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him
arrested on 24 counts of ARSON!!!
With his own insurance claim and testimony from the previous case being used against
him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured property
and was sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000 fine.
This is a true story and was the First Place winner in the recent
Criminal Lawyers Award Contest.
ONLY IN AMERICA!
The only way that this story could have been better would be if the lawyer was
arrested for importing Cuban cigars, as they are still illegal in this country!
do not archive
--------
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Panel Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeff Nelson" <jenelson1@hotmail.com>
So are those heel brakes? I looked at the EIS last night looks like it
might be the way to go.
Thank You all for the many replies
Jeff Nelson
From: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question
Here's just a plain panel, good for FireFlying:
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/FF_20Panel1a.jpg
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: lawyer story, NOT exactly Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Sorry Thom, but it's NOT true... it's a hoax...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp
-- Robert
On 9/20/06, Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> There have been many discussions on liability and lawyers on this Kolb list,
in particular, ways to limit builder's liability. We tend to blame lawyers on
this situation in America and probably with good reason. In that spirit, I offer
the following story, reputed to be true, about a lawyer and his shenanigans.
Enjoy or skip.... your choice.
>
> Greatest Lawyer Story EVER!
>
> Charlotte, North Carolina. A lawyer purchased a box of very rare and
> expensive cigars, then insured them against, among other things, fire.
>
> Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of these great
> cigars and without yet having made even his first premium payment on the policy
the lawyer filed a claim against the insurance company.
>
> In his claim, the lawyer stated the cigars were lost "in a series of
> small fires."
>
> The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason, that
> the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.
>
> The lawyer sued.. and WON!
>
> (Stay with me.)
>
> Delivering the ruling, the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim
was frivolous. The judge stated nevertheless, that the lawyer held a policy
from the company, which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and
also guaranteed that it would insure them against fire, without defining what
is considered to be unacceptable fire" and was obligated to pay the claim.
>
> Rather than endure lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance
> company accepted the ruling and paid $15,000 to the lawyer for his loss of the
cigars lost in the "fires".
>
> NOW FOR THE BEST PART..
>
> After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him
> arrested on 24 counts of ARSON!!!
>
> With his own insurance claim and testimony from the previous case being used
against him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured property
and was sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000 fine.
>
> This is a true story and was the First Place winner in the recent
> Criminal Lawyers Award Contest.
>
> ONLY IN AMERICA!
>
> The only way that this story could have been better would be if the lawyer was
arrested for importing Cuban cigars, as they are still illegal in this country!
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Thom in Buffalo
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62728#62728
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternitive Engines |
Bob
Please respond to the list. We need to hear from anyone that has Rotax
alternatives. Lets also hear about BMW, other VW, Verner, rotary, HKS,
Jabiru or any other engine. Most people aren't aware that a engine
package takes time to develop. Even Jabirus needed time to work through
a development period on a Kolb. My VW has been flying for better than
six years and I'm still refining the package. Let us know your successes
and disappointments help others make the right choices and avoid the
same mistakes. Maybe the right choice is a big buck Rotax. I we don't
share the our engine information and the process to get to a refined
package someone will attempt a alternative engine when may be they
shouldn't. Or may they should.
I will be at the Kolb Homecoming with my redrive VW powered Kolb MKIIIc.
Hope to be there Thursday save me some sausage.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
Ellery, I'll get back to you off list -BB (the G10 guy)
On 19, Sep 2006, at 11:41 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
Richard
Hows that Suzuki G10 been treating you Keep us informed as I have
an intrist in it for future plans
Ellery
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I regularly check snopes for hoaxes but didn't on this one when I got it because
I wanted it to be true. Still a great story but, alas, fiction. Thanks for the
sanity check.
do not archive
--------
Thom in Buffalo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Funny, but not true.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp
Do Not Archive
<snip> I
> offer the following story, reputed to be true, about a lawyer
> and his shenanigans. Enjoy or skip.... your choice.
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| Subject: | (retitled) alternative engines |
Here is most of what I sent to Ellery:
In addition I may caution that in an effort to "beat the Rotax$$"
you might beat yourself going down the dead ends of mistaken
applications. -buying a lot of parts that end up on the shelf.
In my case the worst was only a Mikuni, bought new and cheap
off Ebay that didn't work worth diddly. Not much lost but time
and good humor.
My original cost migrated upwards over time but still likely
south of $3000. MeanwhileI must have spent the savings over
the Rotax on beer to keep myself sedated.
>
> Subject: G10
>
> Ellery, it has been a learning experience as I had to design all the
> subsystems; induction (modified manifold, carb), electric and
> ignition,
> water and oil cooler. Now 99% debugged and running well.
>
> What are you considering putting one on? FS?
>
> The 3 cylinder engine is very well built and reliable but if you want
> super smooth, the 4 cylinder has it beat according to owner reports.
> The 3 has a sort of throbbing sound like an old radial engine.
>
> The two major redrive contenders are Raven cog belt and the Russian
> SPG-2 gear drive. I think the gear drive would be less maintenance
> but a little heavier than the belt. The Raven prop shaft bearing
> assembly
> is a finicky setup utilizing a premeasured bearing spacer (sleeve)
> for the proper preload. I had initial problems with it but once set
> up right
> it is reliable.
> The russian drive has a rubber doughnut inside to absorb harmonics.
> It has a good rep so far.
>
> If you want a G10 on a FS it would work well providing you did all
> the weight-saving stuff possible. The best things about this engine
> are reliability, very low maintenance, and cheap overhauls.
>
> Be glad to answer any further questions.
> BB
>
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| Subject: | Re: Full stall landings |
Not sure what happens when a person is un-sribed, (does it have anything
to do with ribs? Like - if you give one up, you get a wife, or
something? An email variation on Adam & Eve?) but just on the assumption
that you want off the list - instead of shouting at the list members, or
using white-out on the screen, (You are blonde, aren't you?) why not try
using the unsubscribe tool here? Like it says in the list utilities box?
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
----- Original Message -----
From: vonne van hertum
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings
FOR THE LAST TIME
UNSRIBE ME!!!
<snip> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
because we don't want to have to deal with one pound or a bunch of
ounces!>>
Hi Ralph,
neither do we. I suspect that Eddie just wrote down the weights straight
from a conversion formula. The maximum weight is laid down by the authority
which approves the type of plane. If your plane weighs more than that
unscrew something and hide it and weigh the plane again.
True the approved weight is laid down in Kilos but this is a price we gladly
pay for the undoubted advantage of belonging to the European Union. This
entitles anyone from Rumania, Poland, Croatia, France, Germany, Belgium or
almost anywhere else you care to mention, the right to come and live in
England. You only have the Mexicans!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Full stall landings aka UNSRIBE ME |
I get a faint but repetitive signal that this vonne guy wants someone
to show him which keys to hit! Or better to hit the keys for him.
Well, maybe his English equals my Dutch...only word I know is
Grolsch...and can only pronounce it after gargling a six pack.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes |
Re: my pix of FireFly cockpit. Yes, those little thing-ys with the
inboard shoulders are the mech. heel brake pedals. If my shoes
weren't EEEEEE (yes, 6E) they might be a little narrower. I have to
fly kinda pigeon-toed.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes |
Why? You don't need the brakes when you are flying.
jsf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes
Re: my pix of FireFly cockpit. Yes, those little thing-ys with the
inboard shoulders are the mech. heel brake pedals. If my shoes weren't
EEEEEE (yes, 6E) they might be a little narrower. I have to fly kinda
pigeon-toed.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com>
Jeez, Pat,
I thought the Brits were into pounds, where most Europeans were into Euros.
:-))
We also have your Canadian cousins to the north, lest ye forget. Some of
them even fly Kolbs.
jsf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 1st post
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> because we don't want to have to deal with one pound or a bunch of
> ounces!>>
>
> Hi Ralph,
> neither do we. I suspect that Eddie just wrote down the weights straight
> from a conversion formula. The maximum weight is laid down by the
> authority which approves the type of plane. If your plane weighs more than
> that unscrew something and hide it and weigh the plane again.
>
> True the approved weight is laid down in Kilos but this is a price we
> gladly pay for the undoubted advantage of belonging to the European Union.
> This entitles anyone from Rumania, Poland, Croatia, France, Germany,
> Belgium or almost anywhere else you care to mention, the right to come and
> live in England. You only have the Mexicans!
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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Major disappointment! I did my first test loading of my VW powered
MKIIIc in my new custom trailer and it doesn't fit. It will take some
tweaking to get it to fit and there just isn't time to finish the
changes before Homecoming so..... I will be driving down to the
Homecoming but not with my airplane.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes |
The reason I fly kinda pigeon-toed, is 'cause I don't wanna mah tars
to rotate and burn out mah Chinese bearings, see? (pun intended,
Bering Sea)
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | (retitled) alternative engines |
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Panel Question..heel brakes |
And to think I've been looking for Bigfoot for years. Where have you
been hiding???
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Bob Noyer wrote:
> Re: my pix of FireFly cockpit. Yes, those little thing-ys with the
> inboard shoulders are the mech. heel brake pedals. If my shoes
> weren't EEEEEE (yes, 6E) they might be a little narrower. I have to
> fly kinda pigeon-toed.
>
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | wish this was my hanger |
----- Original Message -----
From: ron wehba
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Emailing: Resize_of_K_p_016.thumb.jpg
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Well Ricky, your a day late and a dollar short.
I and a friend got there, ate all the sasauge, biskets and gravy, flew several
Kolbs, including the "yeller one", Met a man from Flordia that is finishing his
Mark III, Took pictures of Denny and Travis. Picked up a gap seal bracket. Left
my old smashed roll bar, prayed for good weather and great flying, watched
them mow the air filed, put up Kolb flags, watched the lawn (whops, air field)
get rolled, measured a gap seal assembly and took these pictures.
You might as well stay home, cause John H. wasn't there when we got there nor when
we left. He was hauling a camper, not flying.
But we had great fun with the gang. As usual, they are all a fine bunch of men!
They are ready for you all to visit!
Ohio to Ky and back in one day Ralph!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Bob N.
"pronounce it after gargling a six pack". I trust Old Frothingslosh, the beer with
the foam in the bottom! Still have a can around somewhere.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Full stall landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Pastor Pike, Where is the Jesus in that response. A little love my brother, a little
love and he will melt into submission. He probably was not aware of such
a handy tool as that which you describe. Or he may just be mad and is shouting
to vent off steam.
Richard Pike said: "(You are blonde, aren't you?) "
Oh i oh, Ralph, in the potty room in Ohio. Now I got a priest amd at me too!
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| Subject: | Re: Alternitive Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Sorry Rick, I thought you had a Firestar KXP and your VNe was 90.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbs on tour, photos available |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
OK, I hate to be a turncoat but I sure like that 5-N-5
Ohio Ralph
P.S. somebody had to be holding the stick on those photo's. Great views and really
close-up. You could see the facial reactions on the PIC's on take-off.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Full stall landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Ah yes, Brother Ralph, but it is written in Proverbs 26:5, "Answer a fool
according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
Since he was acting foolishly, I took the liberty (probably unkindly, but so
it goes...) of using his inability to read and follow directions as a source
of amusement for the rest of the list..
(And if not the rest of the list, at least me)
The Scriptures are full of people whose only apparent value to civilization
was to be a bad object lesson for the rest of us.
(Sort of a Spiritual Version of "Hey, ya'll, watch this!") (Crunch... )
Balaam, Nabal, Dathan, etc.
Now obviously, this list hardly measures up to the level of the Scriptures,
but just think, UNSRIBE ME has now joined the ranks of Bad Object Lessons
for all posterity.
Wheee...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Full stall landings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover"
> <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
> Pastor Pike, Where is the Jesus in that response. A little love my
> brother, a little love and he will melt into submission. He probably was
> not aware of such a handy tool as that which you describe. Or he may just
> be mad and is shouting to vent off steam.
>
>
> Richard Pike said: "(You are blonde, aren't you?) "
>
>
> Oh i oh, Ralph, in the potty room in Ohio. Now I got a priest amd at me
> too!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62914#62914
>
>
>
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