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1. 02:44 AM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (pj.ladd)
2. 02:55 AM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (pj.ladd)
3. 03:46 AM - Re: victim of prop blast (Thom Riddle)
4. 03:46 AM - Re: victim of prop blast (Thom Riddle)
5. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (pj.ladd)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (russ kinne)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: victim of prop blast (ces308)
8. 08:09 AM - tail wheel bearings (b young)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (robert bean)
10. 09:39 AM - best time of the year (robert bean)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: victim of prop blast (b young)
12. 11:01 AM - Re: victim of prop blast (lucien)
13. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (Arksey@aol.com)
14. 03:02 PM - Re: tail wheel bearings (Thom Riddle)
15. 05:11 PM - Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (lucien)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (JetPilot)
17. 07:11 PM - Re: best time of the year (chris davis)
18. 07:37 PM - Re: best time of the year (robert bean)
19. 07:54 PM - Thom Riddle Writes (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
I still think it's magic, or wires.>>
Hi Robert,
its magic all right. With most magic knowing how it works makes it less
magical. I think flying is one of those things which is still magical even
when you know (ot think you know) the mechanics.
At least for me, when the wheels leave the ground it doesn`t matter if you
know how or why....its away with the other broomsticks.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
/or in the _direction_ of the relative wind will affect this.
Hi Lucien,
that is what I said., or thought I did.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: victim of prop blast |
Boyd,
You definitely did the right thing. Occasionally we run into arrogant pilots who
need some reprimanding by the FAA.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| Subject: | Re: victim of prop blast |
Boyd,
You definitely did the right thing. Occasionally we run into arrogant pilots who
need some reprimanding by the FAA.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
Nah, it's not lift or anything like that at all. It's gobs and gobs of
cash...>>
You crazy mixed kid! You have gone all twisted and bitter. Go fly
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
Pat, Ladd
Got to take issue with you in re sailboats going to windward.
You say when the apparent (relative) wind moves forward, as when
boat speed increases, this enables the boat to point higher. It most
certainly does NOT -- Just the opposite! You must bear off, point
lower, point further from the direction the wind comes from, to keep
sailing, keep the sails full -- or to keep lift, if in an aircraft.
Just substitute angle of relative wind on the boat for AOA on the
aircraft. You can delay the luff by trimming in the sails, but
relative wind moving forward does not allow you to point up further.
As you say, think about it. The sails will luff if you keep your
course or bear up, you must bear off.
Sorry to disagree but I've been there too often to count.
BTW earlier you mentioned a "Boot Sale in an adjacent field"? -- is
this really a sale of footwear or am I missing some English -
American translation issue? If so, please pardon my Colonial ignorance!
All best, fair winds,
Russ
On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:06 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> but in actual flight they reach those angles at certain
> corresponding airspeeds.>>
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Not true. Your wing in level flight supports a certain weight .
> Increase that weight and the wing will NOT support it. In other
> words it stalls. How can you do this? Easy! Alter your flight path
> markedly, this will increase the `g` force and the plane will in
> effect weigh more.
>
> Its all about what a sailor would call `apparent wind` As a yacht
> increases its speed the direction the wind is coming from moves
> towards the bow. This enables a boat to `point higher`,i.e to
> decrease the angle of attack. It is the same with a planes wing .
> Go fast and the AOA moves forward, go slowly and the AOA moves
> back. If you increase the weight of the a/c (pull `g`) the wing
> will `mush` through the airand the AOA will move backwards
> `WHATEVER THE AIRSPEED`
>
> I am sure thats clear as mud but think about it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: victim of prop blast |
Good for you ! Bravo !!!
chris ambrose
m3x/jab-44.6+
N327CS
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| Subject: | tail wheel bearings |
Been working on the tail wheel on my plane, it seems that the bearings
that come with it had between 20 and 25 thousandths of play in them. When
I went to the local bearing supplier he came out with a new set that looked
just like the ones I wanted to replace. He told me that they were wheel
barrow bearings, thy had about 10 thousandths play, I didn't measure, just
my calibrated eye. I asked if he had anything better and he asked the
normal questions, what was it going on and did it get any water on them,,,
as he emerged from the back a second time, he had a very nice set of sealed
bearings, no play, rolled very smooth,,,,, just what you would expect,,,
but they did not have the retaining ring on the outside edge to keep them
from going all the way into the wheel hub, as there is no shoulder to press
the bearing to. Interesting they were only around $0.50 more for the pair
over the cheep bearings. So going home I started looking for something to
put into the wheel hub to work as a shoulder to seat the bearings against.
What I found in the back of my plumbing van was a short piece of 1 1/4 thin
wall copper pipe. As I checked it out I determined that if I got a good
press I could get it in. went about measuring the thickness of the wheel
hub, the thickness of the 2 bearings and came up needing a piece 0.8 inches
long. I checked all my sockets to find one that would be small enough to go
through the wheel hub but large enough to push the copper to the center, no
luck. What I ended up using was a 2 inch piece of the same copper. I had to
grind and sand off about 1/3 the wall thickness to insure I could get it
back out. I am not sure I needed the next step because it was a real tight
fit, but I coated the copper as well as the inside of the hub with a thin
film of epoxy before setting. Cleaned up all the excess epoxy and then
applied a very thin coat of grease to the hub before seating the wheel
bearings. The bearings fit tight enough that they might have been ok
without the copper shoulder. But now I am sure they are not going anywhere.
Because the bearings went flush on the sides of the hub the finished
assembly needed a couple of washers to keep it centered on the axel.
I got it all installed on Thursday, but because of 50 mph winds, and my
state of mind after visiting with my new prop blast friend on Friday, and
rain this morning,,, I may not get a chance to test it out till next week.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 600+ hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
Russ, that means selling from the trunk of the car. AKA "boot"
BB
don't ask about bees in the bonnet
On 8, Aug 2009, at 9:30 AM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Pat, Ladd
> Got to take issue with you in re sailboats going to windward.
> You say when the apparent (relative) wind moves forward, as when
> boat speed increases, this enables the boat to point higher. It
> most certainly does NOT -- Just the opposite! You must bear off,
> point lower, point further from the direction the wind comes from,
> to keep sailing, keep the sails full -- or to keep lift, if in an
> aircraft. Just substitute angle of relative wind on the boat for
> AOA on the aircraft. You can delay the luff by trimming in the
> sails, but relative wind moving forward does not allow you to point
> up further.
> As you say, think about it. The sails will luff if you keep your
> course or bear up, you must bear off.
> Sorry to disagree but I've been there too often to count.
> BTW earlier you mentioned a "Boot Sale in an adjacent field"? --
> is this really a sale of footwear or am I missing some English -
> American translation issue? If so, please pardon my Colonial
> ignorance!
> All best, fair winds,
> Russ
>
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:06 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>>
>> but in actual flight they reach those angles at certain
>> corresponding airspeeds.>>
>>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> Not true. Your wing in level flight supports a certain weight .
>> Increase that weight and the wing will NOT support it. In other
>> words it stalls. How can you do this? Easy! Alter your flight path
>> markedly, this will increase the `g` force and the plane will in
>> effect weigh more.
>>
>> Its all about what a sailor would call `apparent wind` As a yacht
>> increases its speed the direction the wind is coming from moves
>> towards the bow. This enables a boat to `point higher`,i.e to
>> decrease the angle of attack. It is the same with a planes wing .
>> Go fast and the AOA moves forward, go slowly and the AOA moves
>> back. If you increase the weight of the a/c (pull `g`) the wing
>> will `mush` through the airand the AOA will move backwards
>> `WHATEVER THE AIRSPEED`
>>
>> I am sure thats clear as mud but think about it.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | best time of the year |
A two-Kolb get together this morning at 8NK4. Light breeze directly
down a beautifully manicured and WIDE runway.
Thom's new toy is extremely well made. Life is good at peak oil.
BB
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| Subject: | RE: victim of prop blast |
>So I told him to watch for the call from the faa and he shrugged it off,
so I went to the fbo and asked for the fsdo phone number, I was told that
because there was no damage >that they could not do much to him, BUT I
could file a formal complaint, So I did. Again because there was no
damage they could not do anything but talk to him, and put it in >the
records. so I thought that if that is all that can be done that will be
enough. The investigator at the salt lake Fsdo called me back an hour or
so later and said that the pilot > was quite respectful when talking to him
, and he was told in no uncertain terms that part 93 states that he cant
anytime he was in a plane, during startup, taxi, run up, takeoff, >etc
that he was responsible for his prop blast and he did have to be aware of
his surroundings, even to an ultra light. And that his actions
according to part 93 were "careless >and reckless"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ok,,, for those of you that like to look for regs, I mis quoted. it
was not in section 93 sorry..
Far, section 91.13 Careless or reckless operation.
a. aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No person
may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger
the life or property of another.
b. Aircraft operations other than for the purpose of air navigation, no
person may operate an aircraft, other than for the purpose of air
navigation, on any part of the surface of an airport used by aircraft for
air commerce ( including areas used by those aircraft for receiving or
discharging persons or cargo), in a careless or reckless manner so as to
endanger the life or property of another.
I guess I had received an interpretation of the section by two
individuals, and my interpretation of what I had heard included, ",
during startup, taxi, run up, takeoff, >etc that he was responsible for
his prop blast and he did have to be aware of his surroundings, even to an
ultra light. "
Again sorry for any mis information.
Boyd Yong
Kolb MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: victim of prop blast |
Yeah we always kind of have to be careful about things like this. We can all to
easily find ourselves on the other end of the stick - being accused of doing
X,Y,Z to P,Q,R and having to defend ourselves at considerable time and cost even
tho the accusations can be trumped up and just the result of someone wanting
to abuse the system because they're just jerks.
I personally want to involve FAA and FSDO only as a very, very last resort in case
of a problem. If I run into an issue with someone else my preference is to
either just let it go or just keep the dealings between us.
Course all that changes in the case of property damage, that's a whole 'nother
story.
As for prop blast, try jet engine blast. We mix it up with turbo props and jets
of all sizes where I fly at. Once I was in the runup area when one of the big
commuter jets was taxiing to the active. As he turned onto the runway, I was
situated right exactly in his prop blast doing my mag check. Can you say "oh crap"...
there wasn't time for me to move out of the way so I swung directly into
it, put in some down elevator, centered the ailerons and gritted my teeth.
That was probably the most exciting flight I've ever had while actually sitting
still on the ground.... whew.......
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
interesting statements on full stall landings...I learned to fly in a J-3
and was taught to have the stick clear back into your belly when the plane
touched the ground and was fully stalled....I still want to try and do that
with my firestar and found it difficult to get a good landing....have often
had the tail wheel hit 1st...have just by experence learned that I seem to
get a lot better landing when I only bring the stick back part way...so
you can see why your discussions on this subject have been interesting to
me.....jswan
do not archive
JIM SWAN
firestar ll, 503, N663S
Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827
PH 517-663-8488 runway 2300' E & W (42-28.58N 084-44.69 W )
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel bearings |
Thanks for the explanation, Boyd.
I'm going to check the play in my tailwheel some day soon, since it is carrying
120 lbs when empty but a little less in service with me in the seat.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> Nah, it's not lift or anything like that at all. It's gobs and gobs of
> cash...>>
>
> You crazy mixed kid! You have gone all twisted and bitter. Go fly
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
I don't think the wind is going to allow it this eve, but I may take another shot
at it in the morning. I get a lot grumpier when I don't get to fly and summer
is a terrible time for it. Can't wait till fall/winter...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing |
Arksey(at)aol.com wrote:
> interesting statements on full stall landings...I learned to fly in a J-3 and
was taught to have the stick clear back into your belly when the plane touched
the ground and was fully stalled....
>
This would be different with different aircraft types, depending on landing gear
setup and other factors. Also many times, instructors say things that are not
quite true in the interest of simplifying an idea for a student.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: best time of the year |
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| Subject: | Re: best time of the year |
you wouldn't be in january.
BB
(too old and wimpy for skis)
On 8, Aug 2009, at 10:08 PM, chris davis wrote:
> Robert ,I am so envious of your place in the flying world
>
> \\
>
>
> Robert, I am very envious of your place in the flying world"been
> there done that " would love to and will go back! Great pic thank
> you Chris
>
> From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> To: kolb <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:33:27 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: best time of the year
>
>
> A two-Kolb get together this morning at 8NK4. Light breeze
> directly down a beautifully manicured and WIDE runway.
> Thom's new toy is extremely well made. Life is good at peak oil.
> BB
>
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| Subject: | Thom Riddle Writes |
Guys,
FYI
The August 2009 issue of EAA Sport Pilot & Light-Sport Aircraft magazine
contains a letter written by Thom Riddle, one of our Kolb list members. See
it under the title "Oops!' on page 46.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar
Audubon, NJ
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