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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (Kayberg@aol.com)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (Brian Whittingham)
3. 06:08 AM - Blackman and Robin (N1BZRich@aol.com)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
6. 06:36 AM - Re: Arion www site down why? (Pete)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Arion www site down why? (Marlowe)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: Blackman and Robin (Jim Langley)
9. 07:05 AM - Re: Squirrel Cage? ()
10. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (Jim Langley)
11. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (Kayberg@aol.com)
12. 08:32 AM - Re: Squirrel Cage? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
13. 09:54 AM - Re: Squirrel Cage? (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
14. 04:56 PM - Website & email (Colin J. Kennedy)
15. 05:33 PM - Re: Website & email (sttwig@wabroadband.com)
16. 07:13 PM - fun-n-sun (Allan Maxwell)
17. 08:21 PM - Re: fun-n-sun (Mark Stauffer)
18. 08:29 PM - Re: Website & email (Mark Stauffer)
19. 08:31 PM - Re: fun-n-sun (Charles Dewey)
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
In a message dated 3/3/2008 8:27:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
joshmarlowe01@netscape.net writes:
I'm glad to hear that it's just a server issue. It's an all too common
thing in aviation for companies to go under (probably too many people who love
flying and building and don't really care for running a business).
I hope Lightning is around for the long haul.
While I am not privy to the exact financials, I am quite confident in Pete
and the Lightning folks. Arion is an independent corporation that contracts
for engines, fiberglass moulding and hardware. While it has few hard assets,
making it shallow pockets to the lawsuit; it has some strong associations.
Pete's Jabiru sales lead the world in engines (and possibly airframes),
keeping the hanger rent paid the and heat on.
Before we at Green Landings became a Lightning Dealer, a lot of questions
were asked. From top to bottom, Arion checked out in terms of planning,
funding and personnel. In fact, we were more than a little envious.
I found the speculation sparked by the website being down to be quite
amusing.
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
Here's something that I found interesting the other day. The Liberty XL wh
ich is a normal category certified trainer. I got an email the other day t
hat they were about 7-8 years in production and just sold the 100th airplan
e. Arion has been about a year and a half in production and just delivered
around the 56th I think. Sure, one is not a kitplane, but still, I am imp
ressed with the numbers in such a short time. Also lots of good modificati
on and progress from the original airframe. It also seems like they are in
large part making it backwards compatible so that owners of previous year
models can make the jump to the latest and greatest improvements. Just tho
ught I'd add that in. Brian W.
From: Kayberg@aol.comDate: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:05:32 -0500Subject: Re: Light
ning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?To: lightning-list@matronics.com
In a message dated 3/3/2008 8:27:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joshmarlowe
01@netscape.net writes:
I'm glad to hear that it's just a server issue. It's an all too common thi
ng in aviation for companies to go under (probably too many people who love
flying and building and don't really care for running a business). I hope
Lightning is around for the long haul.
While I am not privy to the exact financials, I am quite confident in Pete
and the Lightning folks. Arion is an independent corporation that contract
s for engines, fiberglass moulding and hardware. While it has few hard ass
ets, making it shallow pockets to the lawsuit; it has some strong associati
ons. Pete's Jabiru sales lead the world in engines (and possibly airframe
s), keeping the hanger rent paid the and heat on.
Before we at Green Landings became a Lightning Dealer, a lot of questions w
ere asked. From top to bottom, Arion checked out in terms of planning, fu
nding and personnel. In fact, we were more than a little envious.
I found the speculation sparked by the website being down to be quite amus
ing.
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| Subject: | Blackman and Robin |
In a message dated 3/3/2008 11:52:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
Did you run across Gen Robin Olds while there? I hear he was a colorful
guy, (to say the least)
Jim,
Robin Olds was the 8th Wing commander at Ubon, but he left about the
time I got there for my first tour. He and Chappie James, the vice wing
commander, kind of became legends and were known at "Blackman and Robin".
General
Olds was a true warrior and became the Commandant of Cadets at the Air Forc
e
Academy when he pinned on his star, but the higher ups never did like his
mustache. He was married to a movie star so really didn't care what his bo
sses
thought. I later worked for Chappie James (then a general) while I was
serving as a senior weapons director in the 26th Air Division and we used t
o have
great conversations about life at Ubon, and flying into the heaviest defend
ed
territory in the history of modern aerial warfare (North Vietnam up around
Route Pack Six). When you consider the number of Sams, Migs and both the l
arge
and small AAA weapons I think that distinction still stands today. I do
know I lost many good friends from the three fighter squadrons that were in
the
8th. In my squadron, while I was there on my first tour, we had eight
pilots that volunteered to come back for a second tour. Only three of us m
ade it
through that second tour alive. I had the Man Upstairs looking after me.
Once again, probably way more than you wanted to know.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
In a message dated 3/4/2008 7:10:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Kayberg@aol.com writes:
Before we at Green Landings became a Lightning Dealer, a lot of questions
were asked. From top to bottom, Arion checked out in terms of planning,
funding and personnel. In fact, we were more than a little envious.
Well said, Doug.
I am confident that the entire Lightning team (and the word "team"
includes all the dealers as well as the SYI Headquarters group) are a dedicated
group of businessmen that just happen to also be aviation enthusiast. What
could be a better combination than that.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
In a message dated 3/4/2008 8:23:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
Arion has been about a year and a half in production and just delivered
around the 56th I think. Sure, one is not a kitplane, but still, I am impressed
with the numbers in such a short time.
Brian,
I certainly agree with your above statement, but what is even more
impressive to me is that at least 22 are already flying. I think that in itself
may be some sort of record - to have that high of kit completion rate in such
a short time. I don't know how we could check that out, but I can think of
no other kit aircraft that can come close. The Lightning is definitely a
winner - and a patriot, not a pinhead.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
All,
I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.
We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the
flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one
currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting
business. Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to
get the job done. Net result is that it will take another day to get it all
together.
Please be patient.
Pete Krotje
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
Wow, I am impressed to see that Arion has such a good reputation and is so highly
regarded by you guys.
My only experience with Arion was talking with the guys at Sun-N-Fun and Osh Kosh
for a while, sitting in the plane, and dreaming. That said, I was completely
unaware of their business plan, practices, and reputation.
I'm in the dreaming stage of plane building and lurk around aviation sites to
keep informed so when the time comes, I know which plane to go with. Your obvious
satisfaction and proud association with Arion speaks very highly of their
standards, product, and support. I hope to be able to visit and experience those
things for myself soon.
An aspiring builder,
-marlowe
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167623#167623
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| Subject: | Re: Blackman and Robin |
Way more than I wanted to know? No Way!
When I was very young, my brother used to hold me spellbound with stories o
f
his F-86 flying in Korea. Coming from a military family; I LOVE that stuff
,
so tell away. I deeply appreciate what you did over there and am always
happy to hear about the "goings on" during that time.
Thanks
Respectfully
Jim!
On 3/4/08, N1BZRich@aol.com <N1BZRich@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/3/2008 11:52:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
>
> Did you run across Gen Robin Olds while there? I hear he was a colorful
> guy, (to say the least=85)
>
> Jim,
> Robin Olds was the 8th Wing commander at Ubon, but he left about the
> time I got there for my first tour. He and Chappie James, the vice wing
> commander, kind of became legends and were known at "Blackman and Robin".
> General Olds was a true warrior and became the Commandant of Cadets at th
e
> Air Force Academy when he pinned on his star, but the higher ups never di
d
> like his mustache. He was married to a movie star so really didn't care
> what his bosses thought. I later worked for Chappie James (then a
> general) while I was serving as a senior weapons director in the 26th Air
> Division and we used to have great conversations about life at Ubon, and
> flying into the heaviest defended territory in the history of modern aeri
al
> warfare (North Vietnam up around Route Pack Six). When you consider the
> number of Sams, Migs and both the large and small AAA weapons I think tha
t
> distinction still stands today. I do know I lost many good friends from
the
> three fighter squadrons that were in the 8th. In my squadron, while I wa
s
> there on my first tour, we had eight pilots that volunteered to come bac
k
> for a second tour. Only three of us made it through that second tour
> alive. I had the Man Upstairs looking after me. Once again, probably wa
y
> more than you wanted to know.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Squirrel Cage? |
Buz,
I enjoy the banter and history.
I used to have a friend who flew F-4s as well and have lost contact with him.
His Name is Howie Meisner Last contact with him, he was promoted to Bird. While
he was Lt. Col. He was in charge of the Black Knights at El Toro. Did you
know him by any chance?
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/3/2008 10:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
>
> So would that be a T-1 Rocket?
> By the way, when you were flying F-4s, were you in Nam?
>
>
>
> Jim.
> I think it would be Rocket J Squirrel. Isn't that the name of the
> flying squirrel cartoon from many years ago. Seems like there was a Moose in
the
> same carton whose name was Bullwinkle. Way more than you wanted to know, I
> am sure.
> I flew two F-4 combat tours in Southeast Asia and racked up 351 combat
> missions (about 600 hours of combat time) with the 8th Tactical Fighter Wing
> in Ubon, Thailand. Most of my missions were into North Vietnam or northern
> Laos and I was there for part of 1968, '69. '70, and '71. Yep, a true Yankee
> Air Pirate.
> blue skies,
> Buz
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
Keep dreaming and working towards your goal. I did the same thing myself
and eventually got myself in a position where I could afford to get
started. The Arion bunch, and especially the group on here have been
valuable in support, both emotionally and technically.
Good luck!
On 3/4/08, Marlowe <joshmarlowe01@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> joshmarlowe01@netscape.net>
>
> Wow, I am impressed to see that Arion has such a good reputation and is so
> highly regarded by you guys.
>
> My only experience with Arion was talking with the guys at Sun-N-Fun and
> Osh Kosh for a while, sitting in the plane, and dreaming. That said, I was
> completely unaware of their business plan, practices, and reputation.
>
> I'm in the dreaming stage of plane building and lurk around aviation sites
> to keep informed so when the time comes, I know which plane to go
> with. Your obvious satisfaction and proud association with Arion speaks
> very highly of their standards, product, and support. I hope to be able to
> visit and experience those things for myself soon.
>
> An aspiring builder,
>
> -marlowe
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167623#167623
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:45:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
joshmarlowe01@netscape.net writes:
Wow, I am impressed to see that Arion has such a good reputation and is so
highly regarded by you guys.
My only experience with Arion was talking with the guys at Sun-N-Fun and Osh
Kosh for a while, sitting in the plane, and dreaming. That said, I was
completely unaware of their business plan, practices, and reputation.
I'm in the dreaming stage of plane building and lurk around aviation sites
to keep informed so when the time comes, I know which plane to go with. Your
obvious satisfaction and proud association with Arion speaks very highly of
their standards, product, and support. I hope to be able to visit and
experience those things for myself soon.
Josh,
The rest of us have spent our time dreaming, sitting in airplanes and
talking to the pros also, so you are on the right track.
In the world of experimental aviation, there are a substantial number of
wannabe companies. A significant number of them are staffed by "gipsy's, tramps
and thieves". I cant name names in an email, but trust me, there are some
outrageous stories out there, most of them true.
I made my decisions by flying the pre-prototype, spending time with the key
people, working shoulder to shoulder with them building planes. In my
opinion, it is the quality of the Arion people along with the quality of the
Lightning customers that builds the strongest case. Building an airplane, even
with builder assist is not an easy project. Lots of tough decisions and mental
battles. Much easier to do a build with quality caring factory
support....even when the support is "tough love"!!
An old sales rep told me, "I dont partner with people I would not want to
have dinner with"! I wouldnt want to buy a plane from people I would not want
to build with.
Doug
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| Subject: | Re: Squirrel Cage? |
Hi Scott,
I don't believe I have had the privilege of meeting Howie Meisner. But
since he flew out of El Toro and since his rank was Lt Col, and then Colonel,
I would guess that he was a Marine instead of Navy or Air Force. You know
the old saying, "To err is human, to forgive is divine, but neither is Marine
Corp policy." Having said that, below is one of my favorite Marine jokes.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
An Army Ranger was on vacation in the depths of Louisiana and he wanted
a pair of genuine alligator shoes in the worst way, but was very reluctant to
pay the high prices the local vendors were asking. After becoming very
frustrated with the "no haggle" attitude of one of the shopkeepers, the Ranger
shouted, "maybe I'll just go out and get my own alligator so I can get a pair
of
shoes made at a reasonable price!"
The vendor said, "By all means, be my guest. Maybe you will run into a
couple of Marines who were in here earlier saying the same thing."
So the Ranger headed into the bayou that same day and a few hours later came
upon two men standing waist deep in the water. He thought, "those must be
the two Marines the guy in town was talking about." Just then, the Ranger saw
a
tremendously long alligator swimming rapidly underwater towards one of the
Marines.
Just as the alligator was about to attack, the Marine grabbed its neck with
both hands and strangled it to death with very little effort. Then both
Marines dragged it on shore and flipped it on its back. Laying nearby were several
more dead alligators.
One of the Marines then exclaimed, "Damn, this one doesn't have any shoes
either!"
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| Subject: | Re: Squirrel Cage? |
In a message dated 3/4/2008 11:34:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
one of my favorite Marine jokes
mine is
"Did you know that Marines were specifically prohibited from hunting
elephants?
Too many of them were getting hernias from moving the decoy."
Doug Koenigsberg
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Is Arion's email also out of service while the Internet provider is being
switched?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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| Subject: | Re: Website & email |
Nick indicated that any email would be lost while their ISP was
unavailable and would need to be resent once they were back on line. They
seem to be isolated in cyberspace. The phone probably still works,
though.
Steve S.
#48
> Is Arion's email also out of service while the Internet provider is being
> switched?
>
> Colin K.
> OK
> Lightning # 52 under construction.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
>
>
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I plan to attend this April and would like info on places to stay or if anyone
is looking for a room-mate. Also any ideas on lodging for show including camping
onsite. Please contact me with any information. I am a fairly new esqual owner
since October 2007. Thanks, Allan
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Allan,
In the past (before I came to work for Arion) I stayed at the Best Western
in Baseball City
http://book.bestwestern.com/bestwestern/selectHotel.do?iata=00158210 . The
rate was reasonable (senior and military discounts) and the rooms were
clean. The hotel is right on I-4 and about a 35 minute drive into Sun n Fun.
In 2006 a friend of mine rented a house using Vacation Rentals by Owner
http://www.vrbo.com/vacation-rentals/usa/florida/central-disney-orlando. We
stayed in a great house with pool and Jacuzzi for about $950.00 for the
week. The house slept 8 or 9 people. If you stayed more than 3 nights it
beat the hotel price. Again it was a 35 minute drive but well worth it.
There are other options but these are two that I have personally used since
2001.
Hope this helps.
Mark
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Maxwell
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: fun-n-sun
I plan to attend this April and would like info on places to stay or if
anyone is looking for a room-mate. Also any ideas on lodging for show
including camping onsite. Please contact me with any information. I am a
fairly new esqual owner since October 2007. Thanks, Allan
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Colin and others,
Our e-mail should be working. I was receiving and sending messages today.
Mark
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Website & email
Is Arion's email also out of service while the Internet provider is being
switched?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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It's almost impossible to get lodging anywhere near
Lakeland. Try orlando- The remodeled howard johnson on
the strip about 5 miles from Disney was only 39 bucks
2 years ago and had just been completely remodeled
with everything new- a real deal for the money.
--- Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I plan to attend this April and would like info on
> places to stay or if anyone is looking for a
> room-mate. Also any ideas on lodging for show
> including camping onsite. Please contact me with any
> information. I am a fairly new esqual owner since
> October 2007. Thanks, Allan
>
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