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1. 12:41 AM - Esqual rudder authority (Malcolm Ferguson)
2. 04:29 AM - Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? (Wayne Lenox)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? (jhausch)
4. 04:50 AM - Re: Esqual rudder authority (Brian Whittingham)
5. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? (Brian Whittingham)
6. 05:53 AM - Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? (GARY PENNINGTON)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash (Daniel DW)
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| Subject: | Esqual rudder authority |
Hi to you Esqual drivers out there. If you have a problem with lack of
rudder authority in xwinds just add a couple of vortex generators to either
side of your vertical stabilizer. I guarantee you will not complain about
lack of rudder again. Don't want to be ham fisted with the clod hoppers in
cruise though.
Malcolm Ferguson
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? |
Gary
My airport is AZ05. Gila Bend AZ. I will not be there until November w
ith N123WL. Hope to finish build by end of June. My wife and I are in
Shelbyville,TN for summer and it is very HOT.
Wayne
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---- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Lenox To: lightning-list@matroni
cs.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 3:31 PMSubject: Re: Lightning-List:
Thoughts on new wingtips?
Brian
My Lightning is in build and has the new tips. I like the look and hope
the preformance. Nick has flown the test bed Lightning and did report
on its preformance. I live out west and will fly above 9000ft much of t
he time, the tips should help.
Wayne
-- Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
To all, I want to know what you all think about the new wingtip exten
sions. Do you like the look of the increased wingspan? Do you like the
wingtips and how they flare out at the end? Anybody planning on orderi
ng a set? I want to hear from both sport pilot and non-sport pilot buil
ders alike. I'd like to kind of get a tally of which group wants them m
ore. It's something that will really allow the sport pilots to maximize
their aircraft while at the same time, I believe it will allow for non
sport pilots to add looks and climb performance, and probably a slight d
ecrease in fuel consumption at cruise. Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? |
I think they look good, but I do not think I'd take the option. Performance with
standard tips appears to be more than acceptable.
It would be neat to see the standard "short" tips with the upswept feature and
maybe integrated areas for the nav lights. However, that's what I'd call a "low-priority-want".
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186765#186765
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| Subject: | Esqual rudder authority |
Malcolm,
Thanks for that, that is a definate good way to fix it. Evidently works
well too huh? Brian W.> From: malannx@bigpond.com> To: lightning-list@matr
onics.com> Subject: Lightning-List: Esqual rudder authority> Date: Sun, 8 J
un 2008 17:38:51 +1000> > Hi to you Esqual drivers out there. If you have a
problem with lack of > rudder authority in xwinds just add a couple of vor
tex generators to either > side of your vertical stabilizer. I guarantee yo
u will not complain about > lack of rudder again. Don't want to be ham fist
ed with the clod hoppers in > cruise though.> Malcolm Ferguson
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? |
Selwyn basically pointed out the reasoning. With a very low cruise altitud
e it probably wouldn't do much, but an extra foot or so on the end of the w
ing will not add too much drag. If the upswept does anything it will help
not only to counteract any loss of performance due to drag, but also act as
if it were an even longer span wing. I am encouraged by no perceived loss
of roll. If you want to see an example of a wing that was made longer and
increased cruise speed just go to the Smithsonian. Howard Hughes racer ha
d two sets of wings. The clipped set was for low altitude straight line sp
eed and the longer wings were for cross country cruise performance. The de
crease in wing loading helps with fuel consumption as well. Brian W.> Subj
ect: Lightning-List: Re: Thoughts on new wingtips?> From: selwyn@ellisworks
.com.au> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:33:55 -0700> To: lightning-list@matronics
om.au>> > [quote> Hmmm,> Hold on a minute...with an higher aspect ratio(amo
ng other things) it is possible the cruise at altitude can actually INCREAS
E!> Does it with the new tips?> I don't know...we shall see!> Rick > N727RB
> /quote> > Yep, you are quite correct. I didn=C2=B4t want to get into a di
scussion of aerodynamics with all it=C2=B4s complexities and was thinking a
bout low density altitudes. Where I am, most flying is below 5000 and almos
t never above 8500 due to a combination of regulation and terrain. At those
levels a Lightning, with its wing loading, will have a low angle of attack
at cruise and probably won=C2=B4t gain much simply from the increased area
supplied by the tips.> Cheers.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > ht
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? |
Hello Wayne
I know what you mean about hot. As you know, Tucson, (and Gila Bend),
are hot too.
I have flown over to Gila Bend a couple times. Very little air traffic
from Tucson.
My kit will ship by the end of June. I've got a long way to go.
Have fun with the build. I look forward to seeing photos.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Lenox<mailto:waynelenox@juno.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Thoughts on new wingtips?
Gary
My airport is AZ05. Gila Bend AZ. I will not be there until November
with N123WL. Hope to finish build by end of June. My wife and I are in
Shelbyville,TN for summer and it is very HOT.
Wayne
-- "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>>
wrote:
Hello Wayne
You say you live out West? I live in Tucson, Arizona.
Gary
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Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Thoughts on new wingtips?
Brian
My Lightning is in build and has the new tips. I like the look and
hope the preformance. Nick has flown the test bed Lightning and did
report on its preformance. I live out west and will fly above 9000ft
much of the time, the tips should help.
Wayne
-- Brian Whittingham
<dashvii@hotmail.com<mailto:dashvii@hotmail.com>> wrote:
To all, I want to know what you all think about the new wingtip
extensions. Do you like the look of the increased wingspan? Do you
like the wingtips and how they flare out at the end? Anybody planning
on ordering a set? I want to hear from both sport pilot and non-sport
pilot builders alike. I'd like to kind of get a tally of which group
wants them more. It's something that will really allow the sport pilots
to maximize their aircraft while at the same time, I believe it will
allow for non sport pilots to add looks and climb performance, and
probably a slight decrease in fuel consumption at cruise. Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash |
Clive,
I've read about it. Seems to be the extension for the prop that came loose.
.
On the engine that I bought, did you put on this extension yourself?
If yes, were the bolts long enough?
What Loctite have you used?
Any progress with your Esqual?
Regards
Danny
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft CrashDate: Fri, 6
Jun 2008 15:55:44 +0100From: clive.james@uk.bp.comTo: lightning-list@matro
nics.comSome info to be gleaned from the Jabiru engines lists, CJ -----Ori
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<jhausch@charter.net> Respectfully, when might we get some add'l news on t
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prop hub bolts had tobe torqued every 25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom
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%40cox.net><mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> writes: 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's
a lot! I read the posting to be 180-200 inch pounds not foot pounds. Stil
l it would be helpful to know whether there was a propextension installed
Also the jabiru engine perform best with wooden propellers. Thisis one of
the reasons why . It's very possible that vibration betweenthe ground adju
stable prop and the engine caused these bolts toshake loose. I also think i
t wise to mention that when you lockwire propbolts you use .050" Inconel L
ockwire. They should be lockwired in pairs toprevent embrittlement of the
wire. If you lockwire the nuts, you can see the lockwire withoutremoving th
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ellers>bil438 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/bil438> Thu Jun 5, 2008 8:48 am
(PDT) There is an old EAA Video on Installing Propellers by the Great A
merican Propeller Company. I haven't seen them advertise foryears. Anyway I
've watched that video numerous times and consider it tobe gospel on insta
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omTo: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.comjabiru engines<http://groups.yahoo.com/g
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essages In This Digest (22 Messages) 1a. Alternator stator loose From:
Ian Clark 1b. Re: Alternator stator loose From: n282rs@satx.rr.com 2.1.
Re: Prop Hub From: Greg Bakker 2.2. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.3.
Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.4. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.5.
Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.6. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.7. Re: Prop Hub
From: palmettoe@aol.com 2.8. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.9. Re: Prop Hub
From: Gerald Boughner 2.10. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.11. Re: Pr
op Hub From: Ivan 2.12. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.13. Re: Prop Hub From
: Pete 2.14. Re: Prop Hub From: Richard Williams 2.15. Re: Prop Hub Fro
m: Ivan 2.16. Re: Prop Hub From: palmettoe@aol.com 3. Prop bolts shear
ed. From: Bill Evans 4. Re: Where are comments from Jabiru USA? From: Iv
an 5. when? who? rebuilding the jab 2200 carburator?? From: billshamblin
6. Fw: ivan-POH weight / balance / IDE4/ ASI From: Ivan View All Top
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r loose<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22585;_ylc=X3
oDMTJydmMwbjY3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzB
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by: "Ian Clark" iclark@rcn.com<mailto:iclark@rcn.com?Subject= Re%3AAltern
ator%20stator%20loose>iancti <http://profiles.yahoo.com/iancti> Wed Jun
4, 2008 4:08 am (PDT) My alternator stator came loose on my last flight i
t makes aloud whining noise at low rpm that clears when you raise the rpm.
Thereis about 6 clicks per rev when you rotate the prop by hand. I have not
checked the extent of the damage yet. I have a 3300 with about 200 hours on
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ODU-> (2) 1b. Re: Alternator stator loose<http://groups.yahoo.com/group
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NnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "n282rs@satx.rr.com" n282rs@satx.
rr.com<mailto:n282rs@satx.rr.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Alternator%20stator%20l
oose>r5t0ut21 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/r5t0ut21> Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:33
am (PDT) Ian That happened to me on my way back from Copperstate last y
ear.For me, the whirring noise was only there at lower engine speeds. Inoti
ced it first when I throttled back to land at Ft. Stockton, TX. Itook it ap
art as best I could with the couple of tools I had and it justseemed that a
couple of the screws were loose. I just tightened them andcontinued my fig
ht to San Antonio the next morning. Again the same noisehappened when I thr
ottled back to land at home. I disassembled the whole thing and found tha
t 3 of the 4 screwsthat hold the stator in place had broke off. I didn't se
e any evidenceof the magnets hitting the stator. I had made a bracket to su
pport theEllison throttle body that I have. The bolts for this bracket atta
ch ina couple of empty holes in the same area, so I wondered if they mighth
ave penetrated far enough to distort the stator. I ended up replacing the
stator mounting screws with AN-3 boltsand added an extra washer under my E
llison bracket. That way I was surethey didn't hit the stator. I also slid
a piece of paper between themagnets and stator to verify that there is clea
rance all around. Itsbeen working for about 30 hours now and I keep a close
eye on it. Randy Stout San Antonio TX www.geocities.com/n282rs -----
Original Message----- From: "Ian Clark" <iclark@rcn.com <mailto:iclark%40r
cn.com> > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:11:03 To:<jabiruengines@yahoogroups.c
om<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [jabiruengines] Alte
rnator stator loose My alternator stator came loose on my last flight it
makes aloud whining noise at low rpm that clears when you raise the rpm. T
hereis about 6 clicks per rev when you rotate the prop by hand. I have notc
hecked the extent of the damage yet. I have a 3300 with about 200 hours on
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jSWQDMjI1ODU-> (2) 2.1. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jab
iruengines/message/22586;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNXVxdThrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI
3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTg2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBH
N0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Greg Bakker" gregbakker@hotkey.net.a
u<mailto:gregbakker@hotkey.net.au?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub>gregbakker2
001 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/gregbakker2001> Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:50 am (
PDT) What aircraft/propeller combination is this, tractor or pusher?I ass
ume you are talking about the standard Jabiru 2" extension as youmention t
hat bolts were "pulled out of the crankshaft" These would have been lockwi
red would they not? So would torque be an issue? Unless they were torquedi
ncorrectly at installation. We need some more information here I feel. Gr
eg Bakker Hamilton, Victoria Australia www.varieze.net ----- Original Mess
age ----- From: "Tom Covell" <tomcovell@theriver.com<mailto:tomcovell%40th
eriver.com> > To: <jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yah
oogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [jabirueng
ines] Prop Hub > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is
that4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecrankshaft
. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of >
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and propertorque. > Might ch
eck yours. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups L
inks > > > > > __________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > >
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Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTkwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyM
TI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com<mailto:tomco
vell@theriver.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub>desertfloats <http://profil
es.yahoo.com/desertfloats> Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:27 am (PDT) Ivan, An Ar
ion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengi
nes@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruen
gines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf O
f Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.c
om<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Pr
op Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind ofprop?
Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@
<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, Jun
e 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub com
e off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4of the bolts were sheared and t
wo were pulled out of thecrankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers ar
e looking at it tomorrow.Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (bl
ue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this mess
age have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been remove
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zI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTkwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0
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(36) 2.3. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/mess
age/22591;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZnRmb2FjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3
BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTkxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2N
jQxNjU-> Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com<mailto:tomcovell
@theriver.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub>desertfloats <http://profiles.y
ahoo.com/desertfloats> Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:28 am (PDT) Yes it was the f
lange coming off the crankshaft and yes it wassafety wired. _____ From:
jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailt
o:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] O
n Behalf Of John Lamb Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:56 AM To: jabirueng
ines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re:
[jabiruengines] Prop Hub And was it the hub of the prop coming off the fla
nge, or theflange coming off the crankshaft? I assume from the reference
to Loctite that it was the latter.Were the nuts lock wired? John Lamb On
04/06/2008, at 2:00 PM, Ivan wrote: > On what kind of airplane was the in
stallation and what kind ofprop? > Ivan > > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: Tom Covell > To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.c
om> yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: [jabi
ruengines] Prop Hub > > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary i
nfo is that4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecran
kshaft. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lot
s of > speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and propertorque. > Mi
ght check yours. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text po
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NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTkxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN
0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjUEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.4. Re: Prop Hub<http://gr
oups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22592;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNHRiNGkyBF9
TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTkyBH
NlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Tom Covell"
tomcovell@theriver.com<mailto:tomcovell@theriver.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Pro
p%20Hub>desertfloats <http://profiles.yahoo.com/desertfloats> Wed Jun 4,
2008 10:34 am (PDT) Gregg, It was a tractor installation. It was lock
wired and because, asI understand it, the bolts are "loose fit" it seems th
at thetorque and Loc-tite would be an issue. _____ From: jabiruengines@y
ahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines
@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gre
g Bakker Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:50 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogrou
ps.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines
] Prop Hub What aircraft/propeller combination is this, tractor or pusher?
I assume you are talking about the standard Jabiru 2" extension as youment
ion that bolts were "pulled out of the crankshaft" These would have been l
ockwired would they not? So would torque be an issue? Unless they were tor
quedincorrectly at installation. We need some more information here I feel
. Greg Bakker Hamilton, Victoria Australia www.varieze.net ----- Original
Message ----- From: "Tom Covell" <tomcovell@theriver.<mailto:tomcovell%40
theriver.com> com> To: <jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.
com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [jab
iruengines] Prop Hub > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary i
nfo is that4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecran
kshaft. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lot
s of > speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and propertorque. > Mi
ght check yours. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Gr
oups Links > > > > > __________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information _________
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Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22593;_
ylc=X3oDMTJyaWdpY2ZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1N
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Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net<mailto:imap8ntr@cox.net?Subject= Re%3
A%20Prop%20Hub> ivanbrauer<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer> Wed J
un 4, 2008 11:13 am (PDT) I have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my
J-250 which is aS-LSA built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to to
rque themounting bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts areto
rqued each 25 hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never hadbroken
the torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he saidthat the
mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out of theordinary. Iv
an ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoo
groups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June
04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Li
ghtining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ya
hoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@
yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mai
lto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailt
o:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03,
2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off
of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4of the bolts were sheared and two wer
e pulled out of thecrankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are look
ing at it tomorrow.Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) a
nd proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message ha
ve been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [N
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AzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTkzBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHB
jBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjUEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.6. Re: Prop Hub<http:
//groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22594;_ylc=X3oDMTJyOXVkZjg
2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNT
k0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Ivan" im
ap8ntr@cox.net<mailto:imap8ntr@cox.net?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub> iva
nbrauer<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:15 am (
PDT) Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA Iam
curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan -
---- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroup
s.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2
008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightin
ing and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogr
oups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoo
groups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent
: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:j
abiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On
what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ---
-- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jab
iruengines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008
7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a
3300. Preliminary info is that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pul
led out of thecrankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking a
t it tomorrow.Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and pr
oper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have be
en removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-te
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yODlocWp0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0
lkAzIyNTk0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-?act=reply&mess
ageNum=22594> Messages in this topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabir
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zI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0
aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjUEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.7. Re: Prop Hub<http://gro
ups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22595;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZzNndWsxBF9T
Azk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk1BHN
lYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "palmettoe@aol
.com" palmettoe@aol.com<mailto:palmettoe@aol.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20
Hub> palmettoe<http://profiles.yahoo.com/palmettoe> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11
:17 am (PDT) In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Time, imap8ntr@cox.net <mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> writes: 180-200 ft-lb
s ? Wow! That's a lot! **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers
. Watch"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/ty
ler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002<http://food.aol.com/tyl
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5> Messages in this topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/mess
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BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2N
jQxNjUEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.8. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com
/group/jabiruengines/message/22596;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaGhsdTVzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1B
GdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNs
awN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net<mai
lto:imap8ntr@cox.net?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub> ivanbrauer<http://pro
files.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:27 am (PDT) Sorry, in-l
bs. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: palmettoe@aol.com <mailto:pal
mettoe%40aol.com> To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%
40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [
jabiruengines] Prop Hub In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern D
aylight Time, imap8ntr@cox.net <mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> writes: 180-2
00 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! **************Get trade secrets for amazing
burgers. Watch"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.ao
l.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002<http://food.aol
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QDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.9. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiru
engines/message/22597;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNXRic3JqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3Nz
I3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0a
W1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Gerald Boughner" silverflier2000@yahoo.
com<mailto:silverflier2000@yahoo.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub>silverfl
ier2000 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/silverflier2000> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:2
9 am (PDT) According to Jabiru's instructions on installing the propflang
e: the 6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs or 40 Nm ina criss
cross pattern. Ivan <imap8ntr@cox.net <mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> > wrote:
Ihave a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSAbuilt
by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mountingbolts to 18
0-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25hrs. I have do
ne the hub bolts many times and never had broken thetorque. I spoke to the
mechanic who did my annual and he said that themounting bolts did have to b
e tightened but nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message
----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabirueng
ines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject:
RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich gr
ound adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiru
engines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabi
ruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 20
08 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogr
oups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane
was the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- Original Message --
--- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogrou
ps.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabi
ruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info
is that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecranksha
ft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might che
ck yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text
portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this me
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s/message/22598;_ylc=X3oDMTJydHMwamU4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIE
Z3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk4BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE
yMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com<mailto:tom
covell@theriver.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub>desertfloats <http://prof
iles.yahoo.com/desertfloats> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:47 am (PDT) Ivan, I d
on't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 andSensinich ground adj
ustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had tobe torqued every
25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogro
ups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoog
roups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent:
Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto
:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub T
om Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA Iam curious
to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Ori
ginal Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabirueng
ines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:2
5 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and
a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiru
engines%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ <mailto:j
abiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tu
esday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yah
oogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what
kind of airplane was the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- O
riginal Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabirue
ngines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01
PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300
. Preliminary info is that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled
out of thecrankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it
tomorrow.Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper
torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been r
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UEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.11. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com/gro
up/jabiruengines/message/22599;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNHE1Mm5xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdyc
ElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNTk5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2
bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net<mailto:
imap8ntr@cox.net?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub> ivanbrauer<http://profile
s.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:56 am (PDT) Gerald, Maybe w
e are talking about two different things. The Sensinichmanual says that the
bolts mounting the propeller hub to the enginemounting flange should be to
rqued to 180-200 in lbs. I see in the JabiruEngine manual that it says to t
orque the flang bolts to 30 ft-lbs. Maybethe mounting bolts that Sensinich
is talking about attatched the hub tothe flange and the Jabiru 30 ft-lb tor
qued bolts are those attatchingthe flange to the engine shaft and not the p
rob hub? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Boughner To: ja
biruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent:
Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub A
ccording to Jabiru's instructions on installing the propflange: the 6 -3/8"
UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs or 40 Nm ina criss cross pattern.
Ivan <imap8ntr@cox.net <mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> > wrote: Ihave a Sensi
nich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSAbuilt by USA Jabiru
. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mountingbolts to 180-200 ft-lbs o
nly annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25hrs. I have done the hub bol
ts many times and never had broken thetorque. I spoke to the mechanic who d
id my annual and he said that themounting bolts did have to be tightened bu
t nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: T
om Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogr
oups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabirueng
ines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustabl
e. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yaho
ogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40ya
hoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To:
jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sub
ject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the instal
lation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom
Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogr
oups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Pro
p Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecrankshaft. I underst
and that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of speculation i
ncluding proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [No
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W1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjUEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.12. Re: Prop Hub<http://gro
ups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22600;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNmY1Z3VoBF9T
Azk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNjAwBHN
lYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Ivan" imap8nt
r@cox.net<mailto:imap8ntr@cox.net?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub> ivanbrau
er<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer> Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:58 am (PDT)
Tom Here is the literature I got with the Sensinich groundadjustable comp
osite prop: see attatched. Make sure it is the right oneapplying to your pr
op. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengine
s@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday
, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, I do
n't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 andSensinich ground adju
stable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had tobe torqued every
25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogrou
ps.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogr
oups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent:
Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:
jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub To
m Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA Iam curious
to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Orig
inal Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengi
nes%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25
AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a
Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabirue
ngines%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ <mailto:ja
biruengines%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tue
sday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yaho
ogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what
kind of airplane was the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- Or
iginal Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruen
gines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01
PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled o
ut of thecrankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it
tomorrow.Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper
torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been re
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IEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNjAwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lA
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2.13. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/
22602;_ylc=X3oDMTJycTkxczljBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZA
MxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNjAyBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxN
jU-> Posted by: "Pete" pete@flylightning.net<mailto:pete@flylightning.ne
t?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub> usjabiru<http://profiles.yahoo.com/usjab
iru> Wed Jun 4, 2008 4:49 pm (PDT) Attention all Jabiru Engine list me
mbers, By Thursday morning I will have the correct procedure forinstalling
prop hub extensions on Jabiru engines posted on www.usjabiru.com <http://w
ww.usjabiru.com/ <http://www.usjabiru.com/> > in theengine manuals section
on the support & service page. That procedure is currently posted atwww.jab
iru.net.au <http://www.jabiru.net.au/ <http://www.jabiru.net.au/> > underth
e manuals section in the Airframe Construction Manuals Update table. If yo
u have not installed your prop hub extension using thetorque values and sea
lants specified in the procedure (or in section 12 of theengine manual) you
might consider doing it over exactly by theprocedure. At this time we hav
e no information as to the cause of the hubleaving the aircraft in Arizona
but will be visiting with the NTSBinvestigator tomorrow. We will pass on an
y information that the NTSB willauthorize. In the mean time, review the p
rocedure from Jabiru and take theaction you deem appropriate -- especially
if you have not installed theextension with the sealant and torque values s
pecified in the procedureand Section 12 of the engine manual.. Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.c
om<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups
.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wedn
esday, June 04, 2008 1:56 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabir
uengines%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Gerald,
Maybe we are talking about two different things. The Sensinichmanual says
that the bolts mounting the propeller hub to the engine mountingflange shou
ld be torqued to 180-200 in lbs. I see in the Jabiru Enginemanual that it s
ays to torque the flang bolts to 30 ft-lbs. Maybe themounting bolts that Se
nsinich is talking about attatched the hub to the flangeand the Jabiru 30 f
t-lb torqued bolts are those attatching the flange tothe engine shaft and n
ot the prob hub? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Boughner
To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.co
m Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Pro
p Hub According to Jabiru's instructions on installing the propflange: the
6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs or 40 Nm in acriss cross
pattern. Ivan <imap8ntr@cox. <mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> net> wrote: Ihave
a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSAbuilt by US
A Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mounting boltsto 180-200
ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25 hrs. Ihave done the
hub bolts many times and never had broken the torque. I spoke tothe mechan
ic who did my annual and he said that the mounting boltsdid have to be tigh
tened but nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.c
om>yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [j
abiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground a
djustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroup
s.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoo
groups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008
9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogr
oups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane wa
s the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----
- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups
.com>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiru
engines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info i
s that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecrankshaft
. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of s
peculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check
yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text p
ortions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this mess
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DIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNjAyBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1l
AzEyMTI2NjQxNjUEdHBjSWQDMTE2MjI-> (36) 2.14. Re: Prop Hub<http://groups
.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/22603;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYjk0cmVyBF9TAzk
3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0lkAzIyNjAzBHNlYw
NkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Posted by: "Richard Williams
" rkwill@lewiscounty.com<mailto:rkwill@lewiscounty.com?Subject= Re%3A%20P
rop%20Hub>rkwill98356 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/rkwill98356> Wed Jun 4,
2008 5:20 pm (PDT) Palm, others, I suspect the actual value is more li
ke 180-200 INCH poundsrather than foot pounds 180 foot pounds is 2160 inch
pounds! I think that NOTHING on the jab should be that tight (2160 inchpo
unds), including the prop. R. Williams ---------- Original Message ------
----- From: palmettoe@aol.com <mailto:palmettoe%40aol.com> To: jabiruengin
es@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 4 Ju
n 2008 14:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > In a message d
ated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern DaylightTime, > imap8ntr@cox.net <mailt
o:imap8ntr%40cox.net> writes: > > 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! >
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X3oDMTJyb2llaTB0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDg
zBG1zZ0lkAzIyNjA1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI2NjQxNjU-> Poste
d by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net<mailto:imap8ntr@cox.net?Subject= Re%3A%20Pr
op%20Hub> ivanbrauer<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer> Wed Jun 4,
2008 6:50 pm (PDT) Tom, If your plane was built by Arion then it is an S-
LSA. If it wasbuilt by you then it is probably an E-LSA. Ivan ----- Origin
al Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailt
o:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 A
M Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, I don't know if it was an E
or S. I also have the 3300 andSensinich ground adjustable. I guess I didn'
t realize the prop hub bolts had tobe torqued every 25 hours--thanks for th
e info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabirueng
ines%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabirue
ngines%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 200
8 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogr
oups.com> Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom Is you Arion Lightini
ng an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA Iam curious to see what kind of inp
ut Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- Fro
m: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>y
ahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabir
uengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjus
table. _____ From: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.co
m> yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogrou
ps.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:0
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.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was th
e installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- F
rom: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ <mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com
>yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengi
nes] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is th
at 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecrankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of specu
lation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check you
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0Prop%20Hub> palmettoe<http://profiles.yahoo.com/palmettoe> Thu Jun 5,
2008 2:22 am (PDT) I felt such was the case, just wanted to make everyon
e aware,thanks John Matthews www.usxair.com In a message dated 6/4/2008
8:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rkwill@lewiscounty.com <mailto:rkwill
%40lewiscounty.com>writes: Palm, others, I suspect the actual value is mo
re like 180-200 INCH poundsrather than foot pounds 180 foot pounds is 216
0 inch pounds! I think that NOTHING on the jab should be that tight (2160
inchpounds), including the prop. R. Williams ---------- Original Message
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tTime, > _imap8ntr@cox.ima <mailto:_imap8ntr%40cox.ima> _(mailto:imap8ntr@
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bject= Re%3AProp%20bolts%20sheared%2E>bil438 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/b
il438> Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:54 am (PDT) The only 6 bolt installation I ca
n think of at the front of theengine would be the Prop bolts. As I see it
the possibilities/contributing factors are: 1. Bogus bolts and or Bogus nu
ts. (I found one at Sun & Fun) 2. Bolt shanks nicked or damaged in service.
2. Improper torque/ Torque not checked (every 25 hours on woodenprops.) I
found one bolt at 5 ft lbs last time. 3. No Safety devices, ie no lockwire
. 4. Prop bushings "climbed" into the wooden prop. 5 Steel bushings incorre
ctly installed. 6. Nuts bottomed on bolt shanks inducing failure. I found
2 prop bolts with circumferential score marks after Ibacked them out with
a ratchet. These marks would be eliminated if thebolts were driven straigh
t in and straight out. Also the nuts shouldbe torqued while the bolts held
still. However the 4 sheared bolts suggest that factors 1 and 6 aremore l
ikely causes. One precaution is to determine the exact length needed and
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2008 10:09 am (PDT) Anyone know where Pete from Jabiru USA is? Havent hea
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toJabiru USA and have not gotten an answer. I wonder if he monitors thejab
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PDT) flyers, ive started studying my jabiru/bing setup and wonder if thec
arburator should come off and be rebuilt at some point even if there areno
problems?? ( i only have 45 hrs now. ) is this in the literature somewhere?
what should be the timing of having the carb rebuilt?? months?flight hour
s? wait for trouble? who might be specialized in doing a good job with th
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%20IDE4%2F%20%20ASI> ivanbrauer <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ivanbrauer>
Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:38 pm (PDT) Hi Pete, J-250 owners I have three ques
tions so I am combining them in this email: 1. I noticed that the note tha
t you sent with the new POH and alsotable 4-3 states to use the appropriate
values from the W/B record. Inoticed that many of the arms in the POH are
also different. I amassuming to always use the ARMS too that came with my a
ctual W/B recordfor my actual serial number airplane? 2. I was changing t
he voltage alarm setting on the Grand Rapids EISand somehow goofed on somet
hing. I must have pressed some wrong buttonafter inputting my min volt of 1
2.4 in the Display 1 bank. I came to a screen that went through Display on
the right andgoing from #1 to 11 on the left. I figured that I would just
scrollthrough and not change anything hoping to return to my default start
uppage. Instead it kept on scrolling through settings ie: fuel flow, tach,a
ux1........6, and IDE1, IDE2, IDE3, IDE4, etc. I mistakingly changedthe set
ting on the IDE4 I think one lower. I did not know for sure whatIDE4 was se
t at or what it was so I did not fool with it until I foundout. Do you kno
w what IDE4 should be set at and what it is?. It canbe found in the Display
bank #2. Display #1 looks like it is the normalsettings which are shown on
the efis in case of an alarm, ie voltagemin/max, CHT's, EGT's, Display #2
looked all Greek to me. If there is noIDE4 maybe it is 1D4? 3. Ever since
I got my airplane I have had a difference in theindicated airspeed reading
s of the UMA guage and the EFIS. It took me awhile to learn how the EFIS wo
rks so I did not make any ealier comments.My steam guage reads consistently
4-6 KIAS less than the EFIS indicatedairspeed. I have been flying by the E
FIS readings since the plane flieswell at that speed and I did not want to
error by following the steamguage and flying slow on final approach. It see
ms like when I am doingslow flight the stall horn sounds about right @6 kts
above stall speedand I am not stalled. The steam guage indicates that I am
about to stall(the best I can tell.) Because of this I am assuming that th
e EFIS isaccurate and that the steam guage is off. Does this assumption so
und right to you? Any other ideas wouldbe welcome. I have learned to trust
my EFIS because it is such a greatunit so I think the EFIS is probably righ
t. Also I am going to try flying upwind and down wind, adding theindicated
airspeeds, divide by 2 and see if this figure matches the GPSEFIS groundsp
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*********** Re: Rocky Mountain Tandem Wing Fly-in (http://groups.yahoo.com
/group/Dragonflylist/message/19724<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflyl
ist/message/19724> ) Well, it is moot now but the fly-in was planned for n
ext weekendhere in Casper, WY. The next fly-in planned as far as I know for
the Dragonflies and Quickie's will be in KS it is the main event forthese
airplanes. Check out last years website at http://www.tandemwing.com/fodfly
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es> Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:01 am (PDT) In my 3300 installation manual (hydr
aulic lifter model), inSection 15 Propeller Selection, it says "do not cru
ise or climb in therange of 2100 - 2400 rpm". I can see that climb should
be at or close tofull power, but what is the issue with cruise at this pow
er setting?Is this common for any engine or unique to the Jab? Thx Garth
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Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com<mailto:tomcovell@theriver.com?Subject= Re%
3AProp%20Hub> desertfloats<http://profiles.yahoo.com/desertfloats> Tue
Jun 3, 2008 7:01 pm (PDT) We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Prelimin
ary info is that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the
crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.
Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. M
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x.net?Subject= Re%3A%20Prop%20Hub> ivanbrauer<http://profiles.yahoo.com
/ivanbrauer> Tue Jun 3, 2008 9:00 pm (PDT) On what kind of airplane wa
s the installation and what kind ofprop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----
- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines
%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiru
engines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info i
s that 4of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecrankshaft
. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of s
peculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check
yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to to
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op%20Hub> zzjlamb<http://profiles.yahoo.com/zzjlamb> Wed Jun 4, 2008 1
2:56 am (PDT) And was it the hub of the prop coming off the flange, or th
eflange coming off the crankshaft? I assume from the reference to Loctite
that it was the latter.Were the nuts lock wired? John Lamb On 04/06/200
8, at 2:00 PM, Ivan wrote: > On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind ofprop? > Ivan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom
Covell > To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogrou
ps.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: [jabiruengines]
Prop Hub > > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that
4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of thecrankshaft. I >
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow.Lots of > spec
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ours. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [No
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